Here's why Michael Jordan haters are TERRIFIED of his 6-0 Finals record
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025
- One of the greatest accomplishments of Michael Jordan's career is that he went 6-0 in the Finals. Some of the mainstream media personalities have claimed that this is a misleading stat. After making a deep dive of those 6 title runs, it only solidies Michael Jordan as the GOAT.
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#michaeljordan #goat
Never pushed to a game 7 in any of the 6 finals that stat alone is crazy
Makes sense though. He only faced 1 champion in the 6 finals appearances. The Lakers at that point were old , injured, and magic had the hiv.
When you have 2 of the top 50 players of all time on your roster with the goat coach and the goat gm Krause in your organization the rest of the league was in kindergarten.
DUMB DUMB DUMB ASS DUMMY 😂😂😂😂😂 plzzzz wen y'all DONT HAVE ANYTHING OR DONT KNOW WHT TO SAY, Y'ALLS NEEDS TO JUST STFU ...... Okay bcse wen you speak abt LA being Old/ Magic having HIV/ MJ/SCOTTIE/PHIL N KRAUSE 😂😂😂😂😂 I guess everyone ALREADY tht MJ and his Bulls wudve Won 3 seperate 3PEATS bcse i sure didn't kno tht so since you already knew can plzzzzzz predict my Future @@richgreene5038
@@richgreene5038🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
.richgreene5038. They again Lebron head. Phil Jackson was a nobody smoking acid on the Chicago beach when the Bulls hired him. Jerry Krause was a baseball GM before the Bulls hired him. Jordan made then great. Not the other way around. Second. The Bulls are the only team to beat at least five 60 win teams in the finals. Yes. Five. I believe the Lakers won 57. If not, the Lakers almost won 60 games in the 91 season. Meanwhile, Lebron has lost to a team with one All Star while playing on a Superteam compiled of three all stars. Third. The Blazer had Clyde Drexler and Cliff Robinson who was every bit of Pippen's equal at that time. Sean Kemp and Gary Payton and Schremp from Germany. Then there are Stockton and Malone. Quit while you are ahead.
@@richgreene5038 Jerry Krause was a bum who made bad draft picks, he didn’t draft Pippen he traded for him, as for “2 top 50 players”, the Lakers had 2 top 50 players in Magic & Kareem then Magic & Worthy, so did the Jazz with Malone & Stockton, you didn’t prove anything, Jordan’s era had the most top 75 players, he faced 21 of 49 opposing top 50 players from the 1997 list, that’s 40% right there, it was a professional league, the weak 2020s anemic of top 75 players with No defense is a kindergarten league fool.
How can someone discredit Jordan's perfect Finals record? The ultimate sign that someone is just a hater
Cause this Gen has dumbed down the meaning of Winning, The meaning of GOAT, the meaning of DOMINANCE. They literally think having a LOSING CHAMPIONSHIP RECORD is somehow better than Winning.
Simple he won against inferior competition while handicapping the opposition by having the zone banned it’s real simple
@@bigbromcgee7118that’s because cats in their mid 40s are determined to perpetuate a lie
@@bigbromcgee7118 or turning the ball over is now something to overlook and spin his turnovers in anyway they can to make it look like a positive IE his assist to turnover ratio is better than A, B or C so the number of overall turnovers shouldn't matter but if MJ had a straight 5000 turnovers they would just go by the straight number saying what a shitty ball handler and decision maker he was.
@@seandeans1279 really? how do you figure?? just say what you really want to. Everything prior to 2004 should be erased in the record books because it wasn't accomplished against the superior athletes of today so it shouldn't count
You know what's crazy? Before MJ was considered the 'GOAT,' basketball fans never discredited the greats who came before him. But now, when the newer generations try to crown a new 'GOAT,' they often tear down the legends of the past.
True greatness doesn't need to discredit others; it transcends, leaving a legacy that stands on its own.
People would discredit Wilt Chamberlin during Jordan's peak.
No they didn’t he’s always been celebrated bro was scored 100 points in a game. And avg. 50. He caught flack for not winning the championship more
@@leedurham3144exactly the generation of the 90s and media didn't disrespect the style of play/era of the 60s
This generation dispectects the 60s,80s,90s now and they are already starting to disrespect the 2000s as well
We live in a world where basketball fan knowledge of the game itself has gone down
You don't see this in the nfl, nhl, baseball,etc
@@americasteam2112 only thing was that he didn’t win more and he under performed during playoffs vs his regular season performance
Well said brother
The ONLY People that seem to hate on Jordan are LeBron fans.
coz they want their glorious "king" up there.....but i cant blame those lil kids who never watch MJ.....who grew up watching Leking....they are the most militant 😭
And they go crazy 😂😂😅😅
Not a jordan hater but kobe can argue he was the best player on that laker 3 peat. The stats actually say kobe was better but the media was obsessed with Shaq and his "dominance".
@@AaronSmith-x6oyea Kobe is definitely overlooked from that Lakers team. I consider Kobe to be the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Jordan. Mostly because Kobe’s game mirrored the way Jordan played the game but Kobe didn’t quite have the killer instinct Jordan had. Kobe wanted to win, but Jordan wanted to take your soul
@@AaronSmith-x6onice try bud.
Fun Fact: Michael Jordan actually averaged more APG in the playoffs during the Bulls first 3peat than Lebron did during his first 3 championship playoff runs (2012/2013/2016).
If you compare year by year finals runs MJ averaged more assists their first three finals runs as well. In fact, over their first 9 playoff runs, (MJ 85-93) averaged 6.6 APG while LJ (2006-2014) averaged 6.9 APG. So only 0.3 more. Also, that is with James averaging nearly 19 (18.7) turnovers per series to MJ’s 16.
Them 2 3 peats 😮and 6 rings😊
The fact you can say “first” 3peat is enough.
Also has one of the best 3 FG% in finals history.
Horry - 7 rings. 0 Finals MVPs.
Jordan - 6 rings. 6 Finals MVPs.
Pretty simple logic but LeBron stans are not capable of comprehending even the simplest of logical arguments.
Robert will never ever be as great as Jordan Robert was on the right teams at the right time
Bruhhh once people try to use that argument, it's time to stop talking basketball to them smh.
Steve Kerr has more rings that Bron….but of course only Bron fans would use this if it benefits LeChoke
Bill Russell would have had 11 Finals MVPS if the NBA had the finals mvp award back then. That's why the award is named after him. Bill Russell is the goat of the NBA.
@@americasteam2112no he wouldn't lol. Bill Russell has finals where a teammate outperformed him and has finals where he wasn't even his team best player
4/10 = 40% F (Failure)
6/6 = 100% A+
6 finals loses while being swept twice on the finals should pretty much disqualify yourself from being the Goat of basketball, let alone if there's a player with a 100% winning percentage in the finals, that was the best player by far everytime he played, that also casually got two three-peats, only one to do so; and of course, always showing up big time when he was needed the most.
It would have been 9-9 had he not retired in 93-94 and Scootie didn't bitch up in game 7 against the Pistons
@@emack4371 Scootie Bitchen really showed his azz when he refused to go in that playoff game!!
Truth.....@@eastbee103
Lbj is my GOAT - P DIDDY
I've seen every NBA Finals since 1991. There's one thing that you cannot appreciate from stats. Watching MJ was like watching the inevitable. When a big bucket or play was needed, he delivered. Even when the expectations on his shoulders were the size of mountains, he always delivered and won - always. There's not a current player like that. And I say that with all due respect to the modern greats.
It’s not even 6-0….its literally ANY finals! MJ never lost a finals on any stage.
It’s his finals performance’s for me. His 13 consecutive shots, in 1991, His 6 consecutive Three’s in 1992. His Scoring massacre in 1993 (40+ PPG.) Literally every year MJ did something historical in the finals. Or had a signature performance.
I guess you don't count the eastern conference finals. But we can disregard those losses. Or the 1st round exits. Or the entire wizards career. Or the baseball...Or the ownership...
@@richgreene5038 the 1st round isn’t a finals. And no one counts ECF as actual championships.
@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 bronsexuals do "with his ass teams year after year he got here and there so that's like winning a championship
@@bGzzzzz cuz he never ran into any of the teams lebron played, outside of 2011 any of those teams that beat lebron would sweep Jordan so bad he would cry to david sterling to ban 3s
91 Finals stand out because Jordan 11 APG for a series is the highest by a player not named Magic Johnson that's crazy seeing how so many great PGs played in the finals. Jordan Russell Magic Jabbar only players with atleast 5 championships and 3 MVPs.
The bulls first championship the only all star on that team was Jordan, nobody even mentions this
@@JarelAlburyexactly. In 91 MJ won WITHOUT A SINGLE ALL STAR PLAYER. All while avg 11 APG.
well lebron has been coaching his teams for the last 5 years. the "coach" is just warming his ass by sitting in that seat
@@JarelAlburyjust like nobody mentions that in game 5 scottie pippen had 32 points, 13 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 steals and 1 block.
@@sportstalkonly1442 that's almost as crazy as people blaming Lebron's teammates for getting swept in the 2007 finals. When in reality the 3 other players that averaged double figures all shot higher field goal percentages than LeBron(35%). The player that averaged the 2nd most attempts(11fga per game) had a 50% fg average and LeBron the supposed "pass first player" had more than double his attempts! Btw the way Scottie only cracked 20ppg one other time that finals series. Not to mention that it was the only NBA finals game of his entire career he cracked the 30 point mark! MJ averaged 31ppg n 11apg shooting over 50% from the field that finals. Hell despite LeBron playing in much more NBA finals he still doesn't have as much points in the finals as Jordan🤣.... Bron's first finals appearance always get glossed over as if he played even remotely well. His second finals appearance is a garbage shoot/disappearing act. His" greatest NBA championship" the 3-1 comeback people act like Kyrie only hit one shot, when dude had multiple 30+ games. Dude even had a 40+ point game! Hit the game winning shot to win the finals with no assistance! I could go on and on with this but what's a king to a god in basketball anyway🥱
Most Lebron fans don't even watch the '90s games that MJ dominated which is badass compared to today's game. Players of the 80s and 90s are definitely stronger since they have no choice due to the game being too physical, unlike today's game where no defense at all and 3ps are prioritize instead of slashing in the rim.
Man you're like 5 years old.
@@sportstalkonly1442 same as you
I find it so weird how people make arguments like this, and pretend like you can't do the same thing for past eras. Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell would run for 45-48 minutes a night in the fastest paced era of all-time in CHUCK TAYLORS. Jordan could never.
It makes sense that they had to develop a certain way physically to suit the era. 90s was big bodies banging inside so size, height and muscular strength was important. Today it's much more aerobic, players running around all game on the perimeter, so a body more like a middle distance runner is ideal.
@@reillyhopf6508 Jordan was literally known for his extreme conditioning....players marveled at how he could play 36 holes of golf during the day then go out and drop 50 points in an NBA game at night....they wondered how the hell he stayed up all night during the 92 Olympics playing cards and table tennis then play a game the next day. He was an absolute outlier in terms of his inability to get tired. So pretty sure he actually could do what Wilt & Bill did...
MJ IS JUST SIMPLY INCREDIBLE THE 🐐🐐🐐
No player better than MJ as of today. MJ is the artist of basketball.
MJ was by far the best player since 84 till 98 He took the playoffs to another level,I’m never seeing in my 45 years watching basketball play so hard like MJ,Magic and Bird , they never play for numbers or stats they play for the fans and the city that’s why they are so beloved for old heads real basketball fans period
There is no debate.This is a media created comparison.
If the competition was so weak in the 90’s, why didn’t any other team do it?
Because apparently Mj had the only good team, and everyone else was trash according to Mj haters
Because they were too weak lmao. U answered your own question
@@sportstalkonly1442Prime Magic Johnson, James Worthy, prime Clyde Drexler, prime Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, prime Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, prime Karl Malone, & prime John Stockton were too weak? You’re a clown bro.
@@sportstalkonly1442Prime Magic Johnson, James Worthy, prime Clyde Drexler, prime Charles Barkley, Kevin Johnson, prime Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, prime Karl Malone, & prime John Stockton were too weak? You’re a clown bro.
@@sportstalkonly1442 jason terry and injured bam in 2011 and 2020 is strong i guess ?
Men & Women lie but numbers don’t. Jordan is the GOAT 🐐
Jordan and his Bulls is the Greatest of all time. Perfect NBA Championships 6-0 no contest.
Jordan is the GOAT. This is just fact.
All day.I don't care who he went up against today,yesterday or any day.Jordan played basketball better than anyone I have ever seen.
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Not a fact.
Jordan is definitely better than LeBron and Kobe but I can't call Jordan the goat because he never won without the greatest small forward ever Rice won without Montana and Montana won without Rice that's what real goats do no Pippen no rings now that's impressive fanboy
To real basketball fans it is. Y'all lebron fans are so desperate it's hilarious. I search the comments to find ya'll bozos then laugh at u hilarious 😂@reillyhopf6508
To me it was more than his six wins in the finals! Even when I watch old clips, it’s utterly amazing to see that guy go to work! 💪🏿
Michael Jordan - the GOAT of GOATs.
No player in NBA History demonstrated a greater combination of Individual Dominance + Team Success than MJ did. Amongst retired legends:
- 2nd All-time in MVPS (robbed of five MVPs)
- 1st All-Time in FMVPs
- 1st All-Time in PPG
- 1st All-Time in Playoff PPG
- 1st All-Time in Scoring Titles
- 1st All-Time in Per-Game Advanced Stat (PER, BPM, WS/48, RAPTOR)
- 1st All-Time in Per-Game Playoff Advanced Stats (PER, BPM, WS/48, RAPTOR)
- 6 Rings (All 6 as the Alpha)
- 2 Three-peats
- 2 Repeats
- Undefeated in the Playoffs with home court
- Undefeated in the Playoffs as a higher seed
- Won 6x without Home Court
- Won 6x as the lower seed
Michael Jordan simply remains the standard by which Basketball Excellence and Greatness should be measured.
Michael Jordan never lost a single playoff series as a defending champion.
Jordan went a perfect 16-0 in playoff series from 1992 to 1998 while defending the title.
Michael Jordan is the only athlete in the history of major sports to accomplish this.
Most unbeatable champion ever.
1992, 1993, 1997 and 1998 count for the criteria. Hence, the 16-0.
4 series per year.
Well explained in details
Jordan "You reach, I teach"
Lebron "You reach, I flop"
not just 6-0 but the mvp every time.
also what's remarkable about 1993 was that he had a bad wrist and it culminated a two year period where he won in 1992, played in the olympics and won gold and didn't have a normal offseason and then was even better in 1993.
When young kids claim MJ had weak competition.. its the claim that gets under my skin most. The physicality, defensive geared league MJ played in would swallow up todays space an scoring.. the 90s were intense
So many other things you could’ve said but didn’t like:
• Michael Jordan didn’t jump around from team to team to win championships.
• He didn’t cry like a baby to get more HoF helpers on his team by trading away all their pieces for better, including coaches.
• The number of HoF players that LeFlop had compared to MJ isn’t even close.
• You didn’t mention the personal accolades he accomplished while being the best player in the best team in a very physical era
• Michael Jordan did all of this while playing in a very physical era where the rules allowed hand checking and wasn’t soft blowing the whistle on every play
• Two 3 peats
Jordan DID have stiff oponents. He just won over them every time. Guys like Ewing, Drexler, Miller, Barkley, Payton, Malon and Stockton would been seen today as tough opponents had they won at least once against Jordan. But since they lost everything they are seen as weak.
If the only way to discredit Jordan’s finals record is bring up Bill Russell who won his rings before the NBA/ABA merger, you’re proving why Jordan’s 6-0 is very impressive.
Bron not even better than Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem or Bird.
What does the NBA “merger” have to do with Bill Russell‘s 11 rings?
By the way, there was no merger, it was a takeover. That’s why ABA stats don’t count.
@@j-short5431because there was very few teams in the league, Russel was facing the same couple of teams every year and he also played when playoff series were structured differently.
@@someguy2385 right? So if there’s less teams that means the competition isn’t watered down right?
@@j-short5431 It does matter but very rarely do people get the critique right. The genuine criticism is that less teams led to less playoff rounds for a lot of his titles, not that it meant less talent which people for some reason argue.
Lebron is though.
GOAT. Lebron can’t even sit in the same restaurant let alone at the same table as Jordan. What a joke this debate is. Media created nonsense.
LeBron is not in the goat conversation
Diddy james is on the baby oil conversation
LeBron can't even make Space Jam as well as Jordan.
To me its how much did you win , individual accolades , and the impact you had on the league and the fans.
Jordan is 6 and 0 in the NBA Finals. He's won every individual accolade a player can win. He has also had a huge impact on the league and the fans in the stadium and fans watching at home. Jordan's NBA Finals appearance in 1998 is still the highest rated NBA Finals in league history and its been 26 years!!! Undefeated in his 6 Finals appearances and revolutionized the game with his play. Jordan would dominate the NBA in any era.
Quick to say Jordan played against weak players while LeBron gets out played by Jason Terry in the finals🤦🏾♂️
If he never left for two years , eight chips
The record of Jordan's postseason opponents, including his Finals opponents, is substantially better than Lebron's
Which one of them beat a 73 win team since we're going by records?
@@sportstalkonly1442 You keep harpin' on about this "73 win team". You mean the one that doesn't matter for squat because they didn't finish the season with a RING?
A team could go 82-0 (which MJ's Bulls would most definitely do in this modern cupcake era) but if it doesn't culminate with them winning the title it means NOTHING.
That damn LeBron couldn't touch Jordan Michael is Rare Air with his legacy... Imagine Jordan Bulls losing to that Mavs team in the Finals in 2011 😂 with an ABP looking for Jordan.. LeBron goat is delusional
But he lost too and Orlando magic team with a third year Shaq in a second year Penny Hardaway😂
@@j-short5431 I know it's 2024 ...That choke job in 2011 was all time great 😃 The Bulls lost it wasn't a choke job LeBron had 8 points combined in the 4th quarters of the 11 Finals 4-6 just not goat status.. Watching out for the cap
@@michaelryce6835 and that’s all you have to bring up after 20 years of play, that’s pretty good.
@@j-short5431Baseball #45 lost in 1995 and he still avg 32PPG while trying to make the White Sox and only playing basketball cause was a MLB strike think about that for a second Lebron avg half that 17PPG on a super team in his basketball prime
@@davis2k1234 but context doesn’t matter according to Michael Jordan fans. Right?
MJ is the GOAT by Far. Its a silly argument when they add that other guy in the conversation.
1.Michael Jordan
2.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3.Kobe Bryant
4.Magic Johnson
Thats the MT Rushmore
Nope
Negative ball knowledge
You forgot diddy james
Jordan traumatized Vegas to the extent that he had to "retire" for a while. .....
As a Mavs fan from Dallas during the 1990s, I’m grateful MJ never took a night off. I got to see him play in person because of that. Everyone knows the Bulls could’ve beaten us comfortably w/o him, but he knew what his reputation was and he always lived up to it.
*NO ONE PLAYER BESIDES MICHAEL JORDAN HAS PUT UP NUMBERS LIKE HIM, ALWAYS BEING THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM AND THE OPPONENTS TEAM🤔, THAT'S WHAT SETS MJ APART FROM PAST AND PRESENT PLAYER'S AND LAST THEIR HAS BEEN NO ONE PLAYER PUTTING UP NUMBERS LIKE MICHAEL JORDAN 😎💯🥇🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆*
Fun fact, according to the advanced metric called 'game score', which aggegates all box score data to reflect overall player impact, Michael Jordan was only ever outplayed in a playoff series _in his entire career_ two times. Both only barely, by 0.4 game score points.
LeBron James has been outplayed a crazy 21 times in his career, often by multiple players in that series and occasionally by multiple teammates and on one occasion by nearly 10 game score points.
This argument simply should not exist. LeBron is a phenomenal player, but he's not on Jordan's level. Nobody was, the man was just a freak.
He couldn’t even hold lebrins jockstrap on an nba court
@@inefektlebrong has 4 of the top 10 highest gamescores in nba finals history. Including the number 1 spot. But no mention of that.
@@sportstalkonly1442 and literally the only player to have lost in the top ten, every other player won their respective games. LeBron went 2-2 in those games. Also, all but two of the top ten are in the modern stat padding era. MJ was getting his when teams were scoring below 90 a game.
THE TOP 30 ALL TIME:
1. Michael Jordan - the greatest player and the greatest career in NBA history. Most dominant offensive force and one of the games best defenders. Statical excellence on both ends for 13 seasons. The man was arguably the best player before he walked in the organization.
JumpMan.
6x Champ 6x FMVP 5x MVP
2. Bill Russell - the greatest winner and greatest defensive force in NBA and sports history. A legend on/off court. The key to NBA first dynasty.
Greatest defender in the games history and the reason.
11x Champ 5x FMVP 5x MVP
3. Magic Johnson - the great PG ever (so far…). REVOLUTIONIZED his position and saved the NBA.
5x Champ 3x FMVP 3xMVP
4. LeBron James - the greatest longevity in sports history. One of the most dominant forces ever and top5 all round player. Think Karl Malone plus Magic’s skill/vision. 20+ seasons and still.. counting.
4x Champ 4x FMVP 4x MVP
5. Tim Duncan - best PF ever. One of the most fundamentally sound players ever. Played both ends at the highest level for 15 seasons.
BIG Fundamental
5x Champ 3x FMVP 2x MVP
6. Kareem Abdul Jabar - owner of the most dominant go-to move on offense. The HOOK. The previous scoring leader and lead all points for 4 decades. The greatest BASKETBALL career ever.
Prep to Pro.
6x Champ 2x FMVP 6x MVP
7. Kobe Bryant - see number 1 and dilute the athleticism and physical intangibles and that’s what you got.
Arguably the greatest warrior in NBA history. Faced the toughest competition in the games history over a career and couldn’t be stopped.
5x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP
8. Shaquille O’Neal - the most dominant ever. The immovable object/unstoppable force. Shaq was the definition of dominance. Should’ve been number 1 but everything couldn’t be his. That would be unfair.
4x Champ 3x FMVP 1x MVP
9. Larry Bird - maybe the most legendary on the list. Precursor to Jokic but better. One of the most skilled & clutch players ever.
In any sport.
3x Champ 2x FMVP 3x MVP
10. Hakeem Olajuwon - back to back.
The best of the mid90’s and second best player in the era. Hakeem is like Russell but with AllNBA offensive ability.
2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP
11. Wilt Chamberlain - the games most prolific scorers. Arguably it’s greatest defender as well. The man could do it all. Even lead the league in assist at 7”2. Wilt IS unparalleled.
GOAT athlete.
2x Champ 2x FMVP 3x MVP
12. Steph Curry - the games most prolific shooter and one of its greatest scorers. REVOLUTIONIZED the game forever. STILL GOING.
4x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP
13. Isaiah Thomas - ZEKE. CP3 before CP3 but nastier and meaner. A warrior and one of the games greatest strategist and generals. Quietly a top5 passer.
2x Champ 2x FMVP
14. Oscar Robertson - the greatest all around basketball player ever. Could do everything at a AllNBA level.
Changed the way players were interpreted and influenced generations.
1x Champ 2x MVP
15. Kevin Durant - the Slim Reaper is likely the most ideal offensive weapon ever. Can hit from anywhere, anytime over anyone. Hard to beat and impossible to match that level of offensive dominance.
2x Champ 2x FMVP 1x MVP
16. Julius Erving - The good Dr., the FIRST MJ (before Magic & Jordan), The icon and face of BOTH leagues that saved the game in the 70’s. Kareem was the best but Doc was a close 2nd. Underrated statistical brilliance. Was like a 6’7-6’8 Giannis but with a better jump shot.
3x Champ (1 NBA) 2x FMVP 4x MVP (1 NBA)
17.. Moses Malone - CHAIRMAN OF DA BOARDS. Arguably the best board getter… ever. Only Wilt, Russell, Rodman and Thurmond belong in the same discussion. Moses lead his people to the promise land more than once but was able to claim immortality in the early 80’s. His team lead by the dynamic duo of he and Doc dominated the league. Before Lakers v. Celtics it was 76ers v. Celtics-Lakers.
1x Champ 1x FMVP 3xMVP
17. John Havlicek - the GREAT one. MJ is 6-0.
Ole Johnny is 8-0. The offensive force off the bench or starting that lead the dynastic Celtics to all 8. Early in his career he was akin to Jordan Poole role on Warriors 22’ team but better at everything but the 3 ball.
Then in the late 60’s-70’s he sat in captains seat. His career is a unique mix.
Played like Pippen with elite perimeter shooting/scoring, early career was early Kobe-esque, late career MJ/Kobe-esque.
John’s game rose in the playoffs.
8x Champ 1x FMVP (likely 4x)
18. Giannis Antetokounmpo - it’s getting freaky… GreekMan is literally on the ride to potentially threatening Tim’s best PF title.
If he can add a couple more rings to his already HOF profile he will likely be the new PF or TOP 5 player. Yea. THAT GOOD.
1x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP 1x DPOY
19. Jerry West - The LOGO. Steph Curry before Steph. The man that built the LA franchise along Baylor post Mikan era.
Jerry West was the blueprint skill base for players like Kobe, MJ, TMac, etc
At 6’2-6’3 he torched his opponents his entire career and dropped plenty of dimes.
The ORIGINAL combo guard. So damn great he LOST and still won FMVP… case closed.
1x Champ 1x FMVP
20. Nikola Jokic - the Joker is no damn joke.
Genuinely a candidate for potential GOAT if his career pans out in the extreme positive like that of the top 10. Jokic is in a unique place being the greatest passing big statically NBA history (excluding Magic).
If Jokic finds a way to fit more jewelry in his fingers, we might have to have a real discussion about that greatest Center of all time discussion. Yes. Potentially a top 5 player alert.
1x MVP 1x FMVP 3x MVP (should’ve been 3 consecutive but you know
21. Rick Barry - The ACTUAL “White Mamba”. Just predated the black one… Barry was the answer up until 85’ when you asked who the best SF ever. His game was similar to West but 6’7 and a better FT%. Controversial, cerebral and iconic.
Had so much game he had to share what was left with his sons…
1x Champ 1x FMVP
22. Kevin Garnett - The Big Ticket. The 00’ Giannis. In every way but he had a better jumper midrange and beyond. KG was a monstrosity on OFF/DEF in his prime much like his modern comparison.
Led the TWolves to relevance and led the 08’ Celtics to a chip. Truly the BIG TICKET.
1x Champ 1x FMVP 1x MVP
23. Dirk Nowitzki - DIGGLER. The one and only. The German Bird. THE Maverick. Dirk is one of the most beloved, iconic and acclaimed players ever. The 00’s stretch big supreme.
Dirk was able to take the Mavs to immortality over 11’ Heat in arguably the most surprising run ever.
Only Dirk. Forever the DIGGLER.
Arguably, the GOAT Euro player.
1x Champ 1x FMVP 1x MVP
24. Bob Pettit - Big Blue was the first stretch 4 in the games history. That’s for starters. Pettit was a tenacious rebounder and highly skilled scorer.
He was much akin to K. Love of his era but in better shape and played defense. Think a smaller Dirk who grabbed boards like Love but in the 50’s-60’s era. Not only that, much like Dirk, Pettit lead a historic upset over Russell’s Celtics. A true champ.
1x Champ 1x FMVP 2x MVP
25. Dwayne Wade - The Flash.
Wade County. The greatest Heat in NBA history. Wade is arguably the best defensive player at his position and easily too3 (MJ, Kobe). Led the Heat to a title in 06’ in historic fashion against Dirks Mavs.
Then winning a couple more as LBJ’s Pippen. His career was like Kobe’s… in reverse. Wade’s early injuries reduced his maximum career output but yet here he is… says a ton.
3x Champ 1x FMVP
26. Elgin Baylor - The PROTOTYPE.
Before West, Julius, Thompson, Wilkins, MJ, Hardaway, Kobe, Carter, TMac, Wade, Ant etc
There was Elgin Baylor. The first Air, the first Mamba, the first Half Man/Amazing, Flash etc
Baylor spearheaded an era that hardly wanted his talents there but had no other choice but to be in awe of it.
Think Harden, in shape but not as good of a playmaker, twice the rebounder and a better defender.
That’s Elgin.
*left a season before historic LAL title win
27. David Robinson - The Admiral.
The USA’s biggest weapon in the 90’s was also one of the greatest ever.
Made the spurs relevant pre-Duncan and post. Has some of the greatest seasons statistically. Think Giannis but 7’2 with a lefty and 15 footer plus an even better defender.
2x Champ 1x MVP
28. Karl Malone - the Mailman was LBJ minus the handles and vision.
King of the pick n roll.
1x MVP
29. Charles Barkley - The Round Mound of Rebound was the Tasmanian devil in a basketball jersey.
Prime 25 5 13 guy.
Impact everywhere he went.
OG DREAMTEAM member by the way…
1x MVP
30. Clyde Drexler - The Glide. One of the most useful all around talents in nba history. One of the greatest two way players ever. Helped every squad he went to become a contender.
1x Champ
* HONORABLE MENTION:
McHale, Nash, Malone, Harden, Parker, CP3, Stockton, Walton, Payton, Westbrook,
^GIVE HONEST FEEDBACK CRITIQUE ATTEMPTING A PERFECT TOP30 list
You should check out self researched nba facts. Michael Jordan has a better longevity of accomplishments LeBron James who is not a top 10 all-time player loss way too many times and his longevity consists of stockpiling stats that means nothing when Jordan has a MVP in 2 different decades a full 10 years apart and scoring title and defensive teams LeBron hasn't sniffed any of the 3 in years. But I agree with your top 3 no doubt but LeBron James is the most overrated player ever.
It's not a perfect list because it's your criteria but I respect your list my list
Jordan
Kareem
Kobe
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Appreciate your honest opinion and list . Lebron imho is over rated . He’s a great player most definitely . But he doesn’t belong in the top 5 list , too many shortcomings and shortcuts . Everyone who follows basketball has been compromised of false propaganda over the last 10 years , and have been told it’s Lebron vs MJ . But truth is , lebron don’t belong their just cuz his companies say he does . Leads nba in turnovers , about to lead
NBA in missed shots all time . Top 3 in most missed 3 pointers all time , and top 5 in most missed foul shots . Let that sink in .
Not even gonna lie you bodied this. Never understood the Bob Petit hype though, no way he was a better player than DWade though
I’d say Jordan is the greatest winner.
2 main reasons why the Bulls won and what needs to be focused on the most:
MJ's clutch stats- MJ was able to create/come up with game clinching plays when they were needed the most.
Defense- Something that rarely gets mentioned is how and why the Bulls won. They played defense and the stats show this. The defense was led by MJ and the stats show this, specially compared to other players.
It's a combination of these two why the Bulls won and why MJ was the best player in the post season. He came up with big plays on BOTH ends of the floor.
Bonus- Turnovers. Most of the post season games are close and a possession can swing the game. MJ was good at taking care of the ball and making smart decisions. We can't even begin to imagine what the outcome of some close games would be if he committed turnovers at the end of the game. One thing he isn't the 'King' of is turnovers.
JJ Redick opened up a can of worms when he called the older generation plumbers. Not taking into context that that those guys had to have a second job as early as the 70’s. The media despises Jordan for standing alone and will do anything to elevate LeBron. Deep down inside they love LeBrons arrogance and hate Jordan’s humility. Jordan is and always will be the GOAT
Omg. They need to quit because it aint working. Even I am still astounded by what MJ did even though I saw it all before. 👍for a great video about the real facts they never want to talk about. MJ ❤4ever the GOAT periodt
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆and 0 the end.
Ad was the best player on the bubble year no lebron
Just like Rodman was the reason the bulls won in 1996
@@sportstalkonly1442 The notion that Rodman deserved a Finals MVP over Jordan in 1996 is one of the most untrue myths in NBA history, just like the Pau Gasol deserved a FMVP over Kobe myth. FG% can’t measure efficiency, only TS% can do that.
AD had two more total points, less assists, less rebounds, the same amount of steals, and more blocks on slightly better efficiency. AD was not a better player.
@@reillyhopf6508 LeBron saw his Finals MVP slipping away so froze AD out of some games. It's there for everyone to see. AD took 20+ shots and dropped 30+ points in the first two games, which the Lakers won easily. Next game he only got 9 shot attempts up and the Lakers lost. He went from averaging 21 shots a game to 14 for the rest of the series, while LeBron was taking 18.5 shots just so he could steal the FMVP trophy. Lakers went just 2-2 in those games.
LeBron never allowing AD to be the team's number one option on offense has been a detriment to the team ever since. LeBron is averaging 20 shots a game since that season, AD is averaging 17. It should at least be the other way round but LeBron is too obsessed with his own stats, there is no way he will ever concede to another teammate if it means his statlines suffer. Game five of the Nuggets series last season is another great example of how LeBron's selfishness is costing his team wins. He took 21 shots that game. AD took just 11 despite shooting 73% from the field. Lakers lost by just two points. If LeBron concedes more shots to AD the Lakers very likely win that game......but no, for LeBron it's self over team.
@@reillyhopf6508But he was CLOSE. You are talking about TWO points...
No one, ever, was close to MJ...
I think you said it all 👏🏼 people were were so in awe and feared him and find out looking at him play while playing against him. 😮
I'll make a case for lebronze. Four little guards saved him a ring. Ray, kyrie, rondo and russ. Another one gave him an Olympic MVP(that his fanboys are bragging about) which avoided him getting another bronze. Chef wardell that is
Never seen a game 7 in the finals
Spot on Basketball Universe:I’m a huge Jordan fan and I didn’t know he the highest assist per game in finals history.Also I didn’t know scored 45 points per game against the Heat in round 1.I learn something tonight on the GOAT”Jeffery Mike”.
A lot of people tell me that I’m delusional if I’d rather lose in the divisional rounds and use that as a learning curve than lose in the Finals. Jordan LOSING during the divisional rounds taught him HOW TO WIN IN THE FINALS!! If someone told me that no matter what I do I’m never gonna win in the Finals then my answer to that is “I’d like to announce my retirement from the NBA at this time!!” I’m sorry I’m like Jordan, if I have a chance to win in the Finals I’ll take it BUT if I have no chance I’m out I’m good. I’m not about respect for participation 🙏🙏
MJ is the Real GOAT 🐐🐐🐐🐐 🐐🐐
*The Bulls total record was 84-17 in 1996-97
MJ (scoring+steals) and Bill Walton (blocks+rebounds) are the only two players who has two tiltes and championships in the same seaon. Plus MJ has the most titles + championships. He has 6 scoring titles and 1
Steal title during his championships runs. So this means MJ's domination in scoring and steals led to championships.
Great Video bro . well put together
Jordan is the GOAT period.
Nobody actually disputes Jordan’s accomplishments, what they do is try to discredit his opponents which is disgraceful.
I could hear Brou saying make me a sandwich! lol.
The question is, if MJ didn't retire, would the Bulls be able to win the NBA championship in those missing years as well?
LeFraud < Curry
Jordan's 6-0 finals record is like garlic, holy water, and sunlight to these delusional LeFanboys...
The whole Jordan had no competition claim is bogus. I watched all 6 of those championship runs. There were a ton of tense moments, close games, and even a bunch of series where I didn't think the Bulls were going to pull it out. But Jordan didn't get the nickname Mr. 4th quarter for no reason. That man took games over in the 4th in his sleep. Jordan was truly 1 of 1.
Yo, I don’t care if someone were to get more than six rings this man like they said not only has six his record is 6 & 0 right and their three Peet’s at that so there’s no dispute. This guy is the best to do it ever. My edit somebody is either gonna have to get 4 5 in a row are have multiple three Peet‘s to beat this guy basically
Thank you So much for this vidéo !
I support you my friend
Keep doing !!!
When arguing for Lebron they usually say he’s faced much tougher competition but the guys played in the weakest eastern conference for the majority of his career. Which would be the reason gets made that finals so many times. Not to mention he watered down the eastern conference even more when he joined Miami.
Lebron's 10 finals appearances are quite literally only matched by Jordan's six, and that's only because Jordan was undefeated.
@@reillyhopf6508 That’s sad.10 tries with a 35% chance of success reeks of participation trophy.
@@IcantThinkOfAname9 4/10 does not equal 35%. And he still had to go through 3 7 game rounds ten times. Nobody else has had to do that. The guy closest to Lebron in terms of modern finals appearances is Magic who had to go through a worse west than Lebron's east and he wasn't even the best palyer.
"Participation trophy" my ass.
@@reillyhopf6508 the covid chip was barely half of a chip. 3.5 is generous. I would seriously brush up on your basketball knowledge because you're flagrantly wrong on who has the most finals appearance.
@@IcantThinkOfAname9 "Flagrantly wrong"
Read my comment again. Actually, I'll just put why you are wrong, and leave it till you to figure out, it isn't that difficult don't worry
"And he still had to go through 3 7 game rounds ten times. Nobody else has had to do that."
Doesn't count yet every single player that played in the bubble swears by its difficulty. You care about players arguing for Kobe or Jordan but not Lebron. Typical moving of the goalpost.
It's never been an argument or a debate that Jordan is the best ever.. this video is just for the people who don't know any better!
🔥MJ🐐
@BU I wanted to subscribe...but noticed already subscribed. THIS VIDEO is PERFECTLY PROFESSIONALLY edited and directed. Your commentary / narrating is excellent. Great execution of modulation of words conversed. Making what you are saying, more POTENT. Allows 'slow' people brief moments to compute then fathom the context of your topics. Well done. I'm keenly looking forward to more videos, Quality over quantity anyday.
Let's be real, this GOAT talk have been exploited by toxic trolls who only look at numbers. "CHECK MY STATS" is so fckn lame and lazy. They are not real basketball fans. They're just here in the comments to be a contrarian because they have nothing else to do.
Biggest Reason They Went 6-0 was that thing pumping in his chest and the strength of his mind.
Statistical (total, per game in most specifically points and steals) and team excellence (6 titles, with 2 three -peats, and Bulls dynasty - top 3 dynasties, if not the best) in a 13 full seasons, 15 when counting injured and return seasons.
Why do they have to be MJ haters? One might believe LeBron is the greatest human to ever play the game of basketball(up to this point), but MJ is still, and most likely always will be, the greatest NBA player of all time.
There is no debate. Anyone who watched both know there is nothing lebron is better at. Except standing around collecting unchallenged rebounds. And modified rules making physical play virtually non existent. He's a physical freak of nature with poor fundamentals.
This is so beautiful. Great job and thank you as always
I have no issue with a person liking Lebron over mj. My issue is the story lines behind it. I’m not discrediting anyone who has 6 rings no losses sorry.
So if it's a team effort when the Bulls win 6 titles, then why is it not a team effort when a team reaches the Finals like the 2018 Cavaliers. LeBron fans want to have it both ways, but that's not how it works.
Lebum never went to any game 7’s in his finals loses. At least Jerry West was going to game 7’s in his loses
Fun fact jordan has one of the best 3FG% in finals history. Meanwhile lebron has the worst +/- in nba finals history
MJ also shoots better from 3 across the entire playoffs in the playoffs than LBJ.
They also say nonsense like phil and scottie were the reason he won, 0 wins without then yadda yadda yadda
Even though Michael Jordan created Scotty and Phil
and how much did Pippen and Jordan win without each other? Jordan deserves the lions share because he did the most work, but you are a flat out idiot if you think he's winning anything without Scottie Pippen.
In 2019 LAKERS CHAMPIONSHIP Lebron WAS NOT their best player. LAKERS BEST PLAYER IN 2019 WAS ANTHONY DAVIS!!
goat
No matter how hard Lebalco's fanbois try to make a case, no matter how long he plays into his 40s, he will never catch up to Jordan. No amount of steroids or padded stats will change the truth on who the greatest is.
YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL, GOOD VIDEO, YOU EDUCATED THE GLASS GENERATION
Goat!🐐
@ 10:04 that catch and go behind the back to that clean layup was righteous
Okay let’s here your bs reason?
Just to get it out of the way, Hondo is 8-0 and Russell is 11-1, so if the argument is unbeatable beat those
So you literally said this is the only argument just to say it’s not only that? Go ahead and contradict your statement
Okay at least 3 years, so he’s 8-1? That’s still better than Jordan 6-0
No usage rate doesn’t determine you are relied upon. Usage rate just means the possession shot attempt (make or miss) or turnover, If you are a great playmaker your usage rate goes down. If anything usage rate ties to your inability to play more team oriented basketball if it’s too high. LeBron most relied upon carry job is easily 09 and 2018 not 2015
So team is the reason why Jordan is great?
“No other player other then magic” took me 5 seconds to get Cousy in 1959
Congrats Jordan is the best score to win, that doesn’t mean you are overall the best
TLDR: you didn’t prove anything if anything you went completely off tangent and this is pretty a poor analysis given that like half way through the video you just stopped talking about why 6-0 is valid and just went to talk on Jordan’s skillset which isn’t the argument
How are you not relied upon if you’re the one going to score down the court everytime
😴 John Havlicek couldn't win a championship or make the finals without a hall of fame center. Bill Russell retired 1969 👉🏾 why did it take Boston 5 years to get back to the finals? Oh they needed Dave Cowens that's why.
I know you thought you was cooking, but you somehow made Jordan seem more impressive with the usage rate. So he’s the only one to win a title by himself?! LeBron has tried and failed miserably 😂
@@CalebPhillips-ix7vz because if you turnover the ball your usage rate goes up.
@@KingBreeze07 hey how come when jordan didn’t have Scottie he couldn’t win?
Let's not forget that he won a championship in college and hit the game winning shot in 1982 so that really makes him 7-0 and that team couldn't win a championship until he arrived
Wait until you tell Jordan fans about Bill's 11-1 record. In the finals lol
Imagine hating so hard you comment on videos you don't even watch. He literally talks about it a minute and a half in.
@@JollyJoshums So how come every time I bring it up Jordan fans discredit the shit out it? Cause lets be real if all accolades existed Bill isn't just sitting on 11 rings and 5 mvps. He's also sitting on about 7+ fmvp and 5+ dpoty. If its about winning year in and year out as the most important piece on the team and doing whatever it takes its Russell all day, every day and twice on Sundays.
But they all got Jordan as the UNDISPUTED GOAT. Sounds hella disrespectful to me
@@andrewcook1246just admit u didn't watch the video and go watch DragonBall z or sum.
Which is why Russell will forever be immortalized on Mt Rushmore 🤷♂️ due to the “unknown” as those individual accolades were not available. 🤷♂️
In saying that, bball fans look at MODERN era, in which MJ trumps everyone, followed by KAJ ….
@@leonardjackson6210 woah, someone you told to go watch dbz just schooled you on basketball
4:25 this is one of Lebronze worshipers' point that drives me crazy
They act like if Lebron simply shoots more, he'd have as many or more scoring titles and have better ppg average than MJ, and that MJ has highest ppg because he just shoots more.
But history proves whenever Lebrone actually tries to do that, he becomes inefficient and gets gassed out in the 4th quarter.
It also makes him put less and less effort on defense because he is tired trying to do more on offense.
There is a reason why two of the highest ppg average holders, MJ and Wilt, are known for their unlimited stamina. and it takes more than just simple numbers to do what they did.
Awesome video. All knowledge laid out there
'Bron got 3 rings. Technically 4, but does anyone actually count the 4th one besides LeBron?
The baby oil ring
Honestly, the Thunder ring is tough to count as well. The 4 best players on that Thunder team were all 23 or younger, and it was a lockout season as well. No one who knew basketball thought the Thunder had a chance... But we all hoped because of what happened in 2011.
They are terrified because no matter how they sell the fake goat MJ WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST EVER
They say 96 was his weakest finals. But that year stats is a hall a fame career for everybody else
When they use bill Russell or horry I always say if he has 7 mvps then yes
THANK YOU!
I thought basketball was a Team sport not a one person sport?
The 90s basketball era was the best and most toughest time to play basketball. When playing offense was actually real tough because they had to play against real tough defenses. Not like today if someone even touches you a little bit , you just might get sexxxual charges filed against you. 😢😢😢
Jordan won 6 title but also grab 6 finals MVP
Perfect finals record and was the driving reason for Chicago's Championships
It's very simple to understand
JORDAN IS THE GOAT
Against what great teams
Kids wanna think that their era is better. In the music scene people wanna hate on michael jackson when he was clearly the best popstar ever and way before their time. Things don't necessarily get better with time. Hicham El geurrouj set the record for the mile in the 90s and it still stands. If michael were playing today, he'd average 40 and win a ring singlehandedly.
This is the ULTIMATE GOAT video to prove the Gen Z cry babies that MJ was BY FAR the best
The finals argument is flawed. It also means he did not make finals every other season. When Jordan retired, Peppen took the bulls to one or two less wins than the prior season. How does that happen if you are the goat?
The 93 Bulls were on cruise mode until the postseason because of a possible historic 3-peat looming. Comparing a 55 win 2nd round exit to a team that went 15-4 in the postseason with Jordan averaging 35 6 & 6 in those 19 games is ludicrous.