Destroying the Michael Jordan critiques ONE BY ONE for the GOAT
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2024
- Making the case against Michael Jordan for the GOAT has brought a lot of false narratives. Here is the truth of the matter of why this NBA legend is the GOAT by using stats and reviewing if there's any merit to the argument against him.
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Craziest thing I heard a person say was “that right there made me The GOAT” 😂
That's a true comical story right there. 😂
Wait, I know that fool!
That wouldn't be none other than Lebronze Lames is it 😅🤣🤣?
I’m a life long Lakers fan and I’m trying so hard to like LeCrybaby and dam it’s hard. I almost don’t want to see him win with my team, but looks like I won’t have to worry about that this year lol😂
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Jordan’s rookie season was better than most other MVP seasons. Look it up.
Thats facts they don't talk about his rookie yr enough. Single handedly changed that game in that one yr to me. Look at his style of play compared to everyone else
Lebron only Averaged 20 in his rookie year. I'm not saying that's not great because I'm not a hater but in my mind Lebron is so far away from MJ and no one is touching his records. Jordan won More in Less time with way less talent and Jordan was facing juggernaut's. Shaq and Penny, Hakeem(won when Jordan Retired then Jordan takes it right back with a 72 win season and a chip), Reggie, Ewing when Jordan was playing I can go on but so many hall of famers that never won a Ring all because of 1 guy if we are truly being honest the goat, Michael Jordan.
I once heard a guy say he was “activating playoff mode”, only nothing happened 😂
" I always make the right play. " narcissism at it's finest.
If anybody can say playoff mode it’s Mike, he averaged more points in the playoffs than regular season, never really had a bad series (individually) and never lost with homecourt advantage (24-0)
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Not playoff P huh 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Priceless comment 😂. And true!
I don't know why y'all hate on Jordan Jordan is the 🐐
Some are just using Jordan to LbJ debates so they have contents. Without that they wont earn views and cash 😂
I don’t get it either bro, it’s like a one sided 12 round fight- not even Close! I
@@Drumbanger8LeBron almost beat Jordan in the most recent player polls 😂
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I don't, I'm a Bird fan boy, but MJ is the GOAT😢
Goats don’t flop and wink at you afterwards. Goats don’t flop. Period.
Then MJ can't be the goat because he flopped
@@bernardwade8096 hahaha please. Sit down son, real men are talking. MJ’s finals record: 24-11. Your king’s record 22-33?
Please stop
@geraldduenas2391 nah more like bitches gossiping. D. Rodman my favorite player so that should tell you how many fucks I give.
GOATs don't choke
Jordan is the goat because he has the best case for being the goat
Whoa!!!!
By what measurement?
The 6 for 6 and finalsa mvps
Billy!!!!
MVP, Chip, FMVP, scoring title, all defense 1st team, all nba 1st team. No one in the NBA has ever done that. MJ did it 4 times. That's why he's the GOAT. Notice I didn't say 6 for 6 😂
Plus having the best selling shoes and sports apparel. That's extra for all you hard to realize individuals
@@deboriginal220 And DPOY btw
The saddest thing is how these "critics" show how many people in the world cannot think properly and are ruled by baseless subjectivity.
It's so disheartening, but very true
All i have to say it wake me up when someone else gets 2 3-peats with no Game 7.
Yeah, Russell's 8-peat just seems so unimpressive b/c he needed 7 games to win some of them!
@@jeffwebb4417 love Russell but it's not that impressive when u have 5 hofers on one team
@@jeffwebb4417 Only like 10 teams in the NBA back then tho and the Celtics were always stacked.
@@conancimmerian9829 Which league has more concentrated talent--the one before expansion or the one after?
@@jeffwebb4417 Doesn't matter when you're always on the most talented team no matter what.
On point and a LeBron fanboy's nightmare. What I've always said is that LeBron fanboys have to give excuses why LeBron lost so much while coming up with excuses on why MJ won so much.
Also, as far as I'm concerned, you've just touched the tip of the iceberg. When anybody, who has any sense, begins to explore deeper, the differences between MJ and LeBron then, the chasm becomes much wider. There really is, nor should there ever have been, any comparison between the two.
Show me ONE clip of MJ taking off a play on defense, regular season, playoffs, heck even in the All Star games. Watching the Nugs- Lakers I can count on one half at least 5 plays were LeBron is literally just resting on defense and doing nothing.
@@gamble777888 Thats why his new name is LeWaldo.
@@gamble777888"Hes old give the guy break."
"IF HES SO OLD, HE SHOULDNT BE PLAYING THEN."
Pippin should thank his lucky stars that he had the opportunity to play with Jordan. I lived in Chicago and saw Jordan play for years and I watched the best player to ever play. And I seen the 60s Lakers play, the 70s Lakers play the 80s/90s Bulls play and Kobe's Lakers play (and Shaq too). MJ is the GOAT. Nuff' Said.
Ok, well if you say so then it must be true.
The Scottie Pippen argument against Jordan was always dumb and you can tell they were just trying to find excuses. Pippen became an All-Star level player in his prime but was never the driving force of those championships. Right before Jordan came back in the 95 season, the Bulls were barely above .500 and there were many reports that they wanted to trade Pippen. And after 96, Pippen was on the decline especially when it came to defense.
What majority of people don't know is that Pippen only averaged 16ppg in his career and a peak of 22ppg in just 1 season. "Oh coz he focused on defense" so did MJ being in multiple 1st all defensive teams while scoring while being the main gunner of the team. MJ made Pippen and Pippen owes his career to MJ. MJ is just too kind of a human being for someone who's a brutal leader in practice. There is no comparison.
Pippen wasn't even an Allstar for 2 of the 6 rings and is a crybaby sore loser
LBJ didnt manage to do a threepeat with all the help he can get.
Do a threepeat first then we can compare them.
No question that MJ is the only goat ...No excuses ..LeBron is good but is no goat ....21 seasons ..longevity and total points ..Jordan really had 14 seasons... look at all he has done for himself and basketball..Nobody will ever do what he did ..but lets forget about his stats ..Jordan is a way better all around player and as everyone knows probably the best scorer of all time ...MJ's game had no faults only made up ones from LeBron fans trying to degrade Jordan's game ...You watch him play and that is all you need to know that he is the goat ...Nobody in today's game is comparable ....Kobe was way better than Lebron but they skip Kobe completely thinking that LeBron should be compared to the Goat ....MJ....Sorry LeBron fans ...he is not even close ..Lebron has a tough time being part of Mount Rushmore...Jordan is the goat ..The End
His athleticism is unmatched,fluid intelligent movement
The real debate is who is 2nd best. Everyone who witnessed MJ knew what was happening.
No I hear people I work with that seen Jordan play say he isn’t the GOAT that Bron is
@@donaldjohnson8522 There will always be the casuals who believe that.
@@donaldjohnson8522you work with a bunch of morons
The intellectually honest, objective basketball purists who witnessed MJ knew he was building a resume that put him comfortably right behind Wilt Chamberlain.
@@donaldjohnson8522 Those are stupid people, then, or people who didn't really watch basketball. I watched both of their careers from before they entered the NBA... it's not close!
Jordan was so good you never wanted to miss a single bulls game and after left the league there no reason to even watch anymore as Jordan was basketball perfection bar none
Even people who weren't Bulls fans never wanted to miss a Bulls game when MJ was playing.
@@cnelsonlv99 Its why the league suffered financially after Jordan retired. People who didn't watch basketball, watched Jordan. He had the highest finals viewership.
He globalized the sport.
@@alfasiger4178 Yea... most of my friends were Lakers fans, but they still probably watched the Bulls play more than their own team.
6:01 "no one is saying that he could do it without Pippen."
I'm saying it. He basically did it without Pippen in 1998. And in 91 and 98, Jordan didn't even have a single all star teammate. Read that again. And they won the chip.
Great video tho bro
I agree bro!! He could’ve done it without Pippen.
He just needed one more player to give great effort.
21 years and they still cant dethrone him
Can't dethrone someone who never had the throne.
They only one that could’ve, didn’t (Kobe) and the one people pushed to the max saying he did, DEFINITELY did not come even close (The Bum)
@@KingKong-ux3ggOnly Kobe comes close, even then there are times in Kobe's career that I wasnt impressed.
MJ is the goat anyone who says any different obviously never seen him play and has no understanding of the history of basketball
The crazy thing I have head is that Jordan "couldn't go left, had not left". Smh, some people will say anything. To me Jordan is the goat
Someone earlier in the comments said “imagine IF he really couldn’t go left, how y’all let him 3-peat twice”? lol
One of MJ's most iconic moves was him switching from his right to the left while gliding to the basket. A " SPECTACULAR" move by Micheal Jordan against Magic and the Lakers.
There is no opinion, MJ is the GOAT ... In fact, MJ is so GOAT that he has 2 birthday's.
The 90's was the golden age by far. 2000's to 2010 was 2nd because of the Lakers and Spurs.
Showtime Lakers, Celtics, Bad Boys Pistons, & Sixers for the 80s.
@@jp3813 yeah the 80's are definitely part of the golden era with the 90's and can't be overlooked.
Yup, early 2000's with Shaq, Kobe, exciting young players like Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, T-Mac, AI etc... that was a really great era too.Players still competed, no load management, starters playing big minutes with no days off, going at each other hard every game.
@jcb4826 1987-88 featured at least 29 Hall of Fame players: Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy, Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Dennis Johnson, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Hakeem Olajuwon, Ralph Sampson, Clyde Drexler, Maurice Cheeks, Sidney Moncrief, Adrian Dantley, Alex English, Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullin, Scottie Pippen, Reggie Miller, Artis Gilmore (very limited minutes). Still plenty of candidates such as DPOY legends Alvin Robertson & Mark Eaton.
It was one of the greatest seasons in NBA history as well: MVP race between MJ, Bird, & Magic; MJ as the first MVP to also win the DPOY, the first DPOY to win the scoring title, and the first player to accumulate 200+ steals with 100+ blocks in a season twice; Bird becoming the first player to be in the 50-40-90 club twice; MJ vs 'Nique iconic dunk contest; Bird's legendary 3pt contest threepeat; Bird vs 'Nique Game 7 duel; Isiah's sprained ankle game; Lakers fulfilling Riley's repeat guarantee (ending the league's drought since 1969); Worthy recording the first ever Game 7 triple-double; Stockton finally unleashed from the bench to begin his nine consecutive assists titles along with racing MJ & A. Robertson (all-time spg leader) for the steals title; and so on and so forth.
Basketball in general was also a phenomenon in 1992: The Dream Team, Jordan's shrug game, Magic's last ASG, Bird's epic final triple-double, Rodman's 1530 rebounds, Pat Riley's Knicks vs Phil Jackson's Bulls rivalry begins, Laettner's perfect game with famous buzzer beater, Michael Jackson's "Jam" music video, etc...
All the NBA wears the Jumpman logo, isn’t he the GOAT just for that?
Exactly, in the beginning, was basically MJ by himself...
MJ and ? vs Magic Kareem Worthy Cooper Green....
MJ and ? vs Bird Parish McHale DJ Ainge...
MJ and ? vs Isaiah Dumars Laimbeer Rodman
It was never the Bulls vs any of those teams, it was MJ by himself vs those great teams (Bird even said so)...even scoring 60 he lost cuz it was basically just him..also MJ got swept by teams that made it to the finals and/or won the finals....put any one of those other players with that dru#*ed up mid 80s Bulls team and they don't win either...when MJ finally got a better team around him they were unstoppable but even with a better team make no mistake, he was still the best player on all those Bulls teams and carried the lions share... MJ played in a tough conference...hard to get past Celtics, Pistons, and more...for instance if Lebron was in the same conference as the Warriors, Spurs or mavs he would have only made half the finals he did since they would have put him out before the finals...
Let's look at MJ's 84/85 teammates:
Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Dailey, Dave Corzine, Dave Greenwood, Steve Johnson, Caldwell Jones, Ennis Whatley, Wes Matthews, Jawann Oldham, Sidney Green, Rod Higgins, Charles Jones, Chris Engler
Orlando is the only recognizable name but still just an average player…how is that group supposed to compete against the already championship caliber Celtics/Pistons/Lakers?
85/86 MJ was out with a foot injury
Let's look at MJ's 86/87 teammates:
Charles Oakley, John Paxson, Gene Banks, Dave Corzine, Earl Cureton, Brad Sellers, Sedale Threatt, Steve Colter, Elston Turner, Mike Brown, Granville Waiters, Ben Poquette, Darren Daye, Fred Cofield, Pete Myers, Perry Young
...getting a little better…at least Oakley and Paxon are recognizable names
lost to the Celtics 0-3 (was best of 5)
Let's look at MJ's 87/88 teammates:
now we finally add Pippen and Grant but they weren't the players yet that they would later become…they only avg'd 7pts a game at this time
lost to Pistons 1-4
Let's look at MJ's 88/89 teammates:
Pippen and Grant are starting to produce at 12 to 14ppg…added Cartwright, Hodges
lost to the Pistons 2-4
Let's look at MJ's 89/90 teammates:
NOW Pippen Grant Cartwright and even Paxon were starting to click and turn into the players the Bulls needed them to be
lost to the Pistons 3-4
NOW the 90/91 team
Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Cartwright, Paxon, Armstrong could finally match/beat/sweep the Pistons Isaiah, Dumars, Rodman, Laimbeer, Salley…
See the progression? 1 to 4, then 2 to 4, then 3 to 4, then 4 to 0 sweep…THAT is how you build a team to get over the hump…not teamhopping to join up with already established stars..
I think the reason LeBron James is playing this long is so that these records of scoring 40k points and so on will cover up the weak links in his career when people look back at it years from now. How he always team hopped and played with many all-stars but never had a dynasty. No 3peat or 4 titles in 6 years, best he could do was 2 in Miami, one in Cleveland, and the bubble in 2020.
@Serching4JerryGarcia possibly..I mean, those achievements are admirable..if only he actually won more and didn't team up with people he should have been competing with to get rings...MJ built his dynasty and would NOT have been competing with anyone else on those Bulls teams (even Pippen if he were on another team)...Lebron had 3 of the top 4 draft pics (himself, dwade, bosh)..and Korver at no 6 too..why not add just carmelo in there 🙄..he should have been competing against them, not teaming up
PREACH-Jordan never jumped ship because the waves got a little rough!
This video is spot-on there can be no case built for a player from lies, deceit, half-truths, and excuses let a player's resume be the determining factor
Fantastic analysis!!! They say Jordan had no left, I don't get the significance of that. He three-peated twice! Jordan had Phil Jackson, no other superstar I can recall has ever been critiqued because of his coach. The new age fans can't appreciate the game. It is no longer Xs and Os, it now resembles playground pickup game which they think is normal.
There's literally an 8 minute compilation video on RUclips of Jordan going left and finishing with his off hand.
And it was uploaded over 6 years ago.
@@cyber6sapien That's what I came to say. I watched it about 3 days ago. He's got better left highlights than other players regular highlights.
phil jackson never had a ring before MJ
Phil wasn't considered the greatest coach yet.
@@user-zd3ll6jh5y As head coach Jackson won five NBA titles without MJ. How many did MJ win without Jackson?
I love this video, great points, sorry for the long comment but really if I had a basketball youtube channel this would be one of the video I'd make to make young generation to understand how great MJ was, I'd love to talk to you about your videos, you are great!
You very wittily pointed out the fact that the Bulls during MJ's rookie season lost against a title contender nobody remembers that as the 80s were dominated by Lakers Celtics and in the early years 76ers, but the Bucks had the 3rd best record in the league that season behind only the teams who ended up to face in the finals Lakers and Boston, the Bucks had one of the best offence in the league and had the second best defense in the league, also they were 50+ win team from season 80-81 to season 86-87, so we are talking about hands down one of the best team of the 80s!!!
Moreover the Bulls in the 13 season with MJ (and taking in acount his second season and the 94-95 season, he lost 81 games so it's more 12 season that 13, but whatever...) they lost only against either title contenders or teams who went to the finals: Buck, Lakers, Celtics, Pistons and Magic. In any other case every other team who faced the Bulls between mid 80s to 1998 lost against the Bulls with MJ.
I loved also that you talked about the low value of some of MJ's teammates, not to say they were always thrash but still just by watching some games in the 80s one can see that countless times MJ passed the ball even under the rim even to 6.10 ft or 7 ft players and they were missing badly very easy layups, ok in those years the paint was crowded, but I saw games with Bulls centers missing under the rim in ways that are almost unreal, so the myth MJ was not a team player is untrue is just that at a certain point you see that most of the times you try to have you team involved but they miss, so you rather attempt for yourself at least the chance the ball gets into the rim is higher and since the goal of the game is to score more than the opponent, that was only one option...as a matter of fact the triangle offence was implemented to releave MJ of the offensive burden as prior to Jackson other teams knew the Bulls were not good on the offence and they also knew once you brought down MJ they had close to zero other offensive options, they didn't succeed much but still that was the tactic!
Great point also about other teams during MJ era, nobody has a problem with other teams leader but when it comes to MJ they either say he was a selfish and that's why LeBron is greater as he is preceived as unselfish or they say the exact opposite so that MJ needed other players to win and that shows MJ was not as good, both statements are contraddictory at best and that alone shows another feeble and goofy attempt of many to discredit MJ; but why the same logic is never applyed for instance to Kareem or Kobe or LeBron? If one does that it's pretty easy to discredit other players but so if one says that "against" LeBron or Kareem is an hater, if said to MJ is facts?
It's just childish and overall silly to think that way so kudos on you as you very clearly explained it!
Your last point about number of wins per season it's pretty simple to me: the average superstars in today's NBA don't play as many games as they did in the 90s so the teams can't win as much!
The reality to me is that most stars play as little as possible to secure being included in the rankings for the awards and to secure a place into the playoffs for the team, but no more than that, some of them load manage even during the playoff, if any star in the 90s would have done that, they would have been crushed by the media, young generations can't even understand the scope of it!
In the decade 90s every top 10 play in the major stat categories missed games only for real injuries not to rest and very few games per seasons, and 4 or 5 players in the top 10 of each cathegory played at least 80 games and most of them 2500+ minutes and some even 3000 minutes or more per season.
This season alone it's embarrassing to say the least as the only players in the top 10 including all major stats categories (pts, rebs, assists, steals and blocks) to play 80 or more games are Donte DiVincenzo, Sabonis and Holgrem period, nobody else!!!! In the top 20 is one or two more players, no more!!!
But the superstars...none of them cracked 80 games, NONE! The closest are Anthony Edwards and Nikola Jokić and DeMar DeRozan all with 79 games, in contrast with the 90s were players like Hakeem Olajuwon, Mutombo, Malone, MJ, Reggie Miller, Payton, Stockton and many many others played at least 80 games and most of the times all 82 games, the last time a superstar player played all 82 games (besides Nikola Jokić in 20-21 who played all 72 games in the Covid season!) is LeBron James in 17-18 and he was 33 years old!!!
The media are bombarding us about how much more efficient the training is and how much more athletic today's players are, are they?
'Cause 30 years ago at least 140 players per season played at least 75 games, this season only 75 players in total played more than 75 games and about minutes the difference is staggering in the 90s at least 70 players each season played 2,500 minutes or more per season, this season just 31 players!!!!
And people are weary about old heads can't watch today's NBA, that's why!!!
Great analysis. I wish this video could be shown to Nick Wright. He might have a mental breakdown trying to handle this logic.
man, I feel bad for all RUclipsrs who have to defend MJ due to this TikTok generation's lack of knowledge. anyway, subscribed!
The real exclamation point is if look back at his college days North Carolina did advance to the NCAA Championship when Michael Jordan wasn't on the team and lost the championship and they didn't win the championship until Michael jordan was on the team that's when they won in 1982
Worthy was the star on both teams. Jordan was not the best freshman on the court in the '82 championship game. Ewing was. When Jordan was the NC team leader in '83 and '84 they under-performed despite that fact that he played with so many future NBA starters. When Jordan left NC, NC was still great without him. Jordan was a great individual player in college but not a team leader like Magic or Bird.
They used to say Score first SGs can't win. He won 6
They did. Actually any scoring champ, for that matter. Especially guards, though. Probably started with Wilt.
Actually it was Bird and Magic who changed team's mindset of taking best Big Man (C) first. Not Oscar, Dr J or later MJ.
Larry and Magic. But MJ crushed the "you can't win with a guard as your leading scorer ". At least consistently.
They actually said “scoring champs”. can’t win and teams can’t build around Guards…..MJ proved them wrong on all accounts.
@@Amick44 - incorrect, Bird and Magic didn’t change the narrative of big men…both had excellent big men ie KAJ and Walton/Parish/McHale…..
MJ proved you didn’t need to build around bigs, hence Mj never had a “great big”
Walton said in an interview that MJ was great but can’t win unless he had a great big like Celtics/Lakers.
@Carbon…
Well it was actually ‘scoring champs can’t or don’t win’ because so few had before him.
Then like you said he won 6 as the scoring champ every time.
@bG…
🎯… You can just go to Mike’s own draft for evidence of that ‘gotta have a big man to win’ mindset in the nba pre-Mike.
But since Mike owners & GM’s draft & build around perimeter players/perimeter scores as their center piece wayyy more often.
Consider the Goat debate… all the Goat candidates before Mike are big men… but since Mike the Goat candidates are all perimeter players.
LeBron is a pass first player, LeBron is pass first, but Jordan has a Finals in which he bested LeBron's best Finals assist numbers. Go figure.
#WeDoneWithCasuals
I always hear some people saying that LeBron is better than MJ but they never gave me any argument that made sense.
I am still waiting on someone to provide me a reason of why LeBron would be better, because he always falls short.
Watching mjs career was a blessing, i can see through all these phonies who claim to be the guy
People say he had no left hand, which isnt true. Then a vid was made showing he not only had a left hand but used ut just as much as his right 😂
The argument I hear a lot is that Jordan had the best number 2 player of all time, which is crazy. Kobe Bryant, Duane Wade, John Stockton, Kareem, A.D. just to list a few were better number 2 players than Pippen, who only averaged 16 points in his career.
There's a reason why someone who excels in a certain sport is called the Michael Jordan of that sport.
. . However, not many can pull off a half-court flop
Awww, shucks!! You got me there!!
The no left, & couldn’t shoot 3’s arguments to discredit him always makes me scratch my head
What’s funny is they do no research before they blast that out. Jordan only averaged 1-2 attempts a game most seasons. However the ones where he shot more, his percentage was higher. Also the mention the line being moved in, but ignore the fact that he still took the same amount of 3s, it benefited everyone else as well and it for only 2 of the seasons he played with the bulls
@@actionjackson7020
Exactly, excellent points.
I also like to mention that the majority of those guys who were drafted in the late 70’s - early 80’s didn’t even play the game of basketball w/ a 3-pt arch in either HS or college. A 22-23 ft shot was equivalent to a 10-15 ft shot. Guys who were athletic were always taught to get to the rim or dribble into a mid range pull up.
As the 3 point shot became more prevalent in the late 80’s - 90’s, u could see MJ adjust to taking those shots, & like u said the more he took, the better his %; but, again, ppl hardly do research or even give context. They just look at raw numbers & say “see.”
Furthermore, MJ’s career 3pt % raw numbers were on par w/ the league avg. lol
All this nonsense started with tiktok, and basically those that repeat it only use it one of their many go to lines on the goat debate. Majority of them are just here for the conversation and don't even watch ball like that. You can't even hold a conversation with these bums without them running to Google for stats lmao. They have no eye test on the topic because they don't watch sports.
The craziest thing I heard someone say was the 90s was watered down due to the expansion teams. Then you look at the draft picks on those expansion teams at the time and this analogy is ridiculous.
MJ before his first ring even arrived is more accomplished that entire NBA careers
By far the most ridiculous arguement these kids have about MJ is that he played gainst cab drivers and plumbers😂😂😂😂 that late 80s and 90s era had SO MANY legends of the game. Todays league has nowhere near the talent that that era had and its not even debateable
Folks - check who has a better offensive rebound average? Or a better 3 point pct in the Playoffs? MJ & LBJ are tied for the former and Mike leads the second.
Gotta call these people out for what they are - LIARS. Anyone who omits that MJ average 45 PPG in a series while Scottie averaged 10 PPG while claiming that MJ needed Scottie is lying. Anyone who omits that LeBron didn't even make the playoffs his first few years while criticizing young MJ for not beating the Bird Celtics is lying.
The only real criticisms I've ever heard of MJ are that 1. he was not a nice person and 2. he did lost to the Magic and play poorly in that 94-95 playoffs series. Everything else is a just a flat-out lie.
Not only that. MJ was not the reason the Bulls lost those series. However, Lebron piss poor performance was the reason his teams lost 3 championships.
“Roman empire was not great because their competition did not have fighter jets” Lebron Fans
They also leave out the fact that Grant and Scotty went three for 17 in Game 7 in 1990 vs Detroit.
Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt... all have legit cases to be the GOAT.... it's personal preference at the end of the day. Just enjoy the greatness
Totally right. I believe for most people who say MJ is the GOAT, the question "what qualities/accomplishments make a player the GOAT?" doesn't occur to them; they argue based on "what makes MJ the GOAT?" Objectively speaking, there are only two candidates who qualify. Picture a long, comprehensive list based on the first question: if titles are at/near the top of the list, Russell is it. Titles don't belong anywhere near the top of the list, however, so it's Wilt. (And I'm a Celtics fan!)
@@jeffwebb4417 and you’re entitled to that opinion
Objectively speaking 😂😂😂😂😂
Opinions are the opposite of objectivity.
But hey you’re right 😂😂😂
Someone who couldn’t shoot more than 50% FT is your goat
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@@jogendron6320 So? Someone who the refs gave obviously preferential treatment is your goat.
Of course opinions are subjective, not objective. You think that means people can't form their opinions based on an objective approach/standard? lol
Wow! Lebum has made a total of only 5 game winning shots in the regular season and 2 game winners in the playoffs! A total of 7, IN 21 SEASONS!!! STRAIGHT GARBAGE!!
Jordan holds the record for most buzzer beater clutch shots. Should've retired after that one against Utah. Perfect ending, to a damn near perfect career.
Totally agree with you.
Every case, for anyone but Jordan (as the GOAT) is built on quicksand using magical thinking.
"Jordan needed competent players who can help out"... This statement explains why Jordan was able to win all those championships with only ONE all-star player.
78 teams in the 90s winning 50 games is POWERFUL
Regardless of what anyone says about him, no one has got his game. His game is by far superior to anyone else's to this day, in my opinion. And at the end of the day, this is what did all of his talking. It doesn't need our confirmation. It's there for us all to see. It's the truth.
" There's no hang-time like Mike's "
Fact!
How dope it must be to just sit back and have millions of others defend your status…..! #hisairness
I would go so far as say greatest team sports player of all time .. I'll allow Pele as nr second when I'm in a generous mood (rare). No one has done more for their sport than Jordan as a team player, no one has moved their game forward, internationalised interest in their sport, became the unquestioned face, highlight and gear of their sport in the eyes of the entire world in the same way. If you dont recognise how exceptional his achievements in and for the game are, maybe you don't know sport - and thats on you.
Wayne Gretzky has gotta be #2 he was like MJ on ice 😂😂😂😂
From a stats perspective, Gretzky was more dominant in his sport but MJ was definitely the more popular player. Gretzky's stats don't even make sense. He dominated on a level noone else ever has in any sport.
@@jbellflower83 Wilt Chamberlain piled up stats over his career that were Gretzky-level ludicrous.
Wow. I had no idea author Robert Greene is a basketball fan! Great job narrating, Robert!
All facts 💯 all the time millennial and piston fans old school heads had Kareem as they're goat
Brother enough said! These debates about LBJ is the Goat and not MJ is pure ignorance. MJ all day! Thanks for your video bro.
Very nice job. Thanks. Gotta' remember that Jordan was also double- and even triple-teamed far more than most any other player. Talk about playing handicapped? And he still averaged 34+ pts per game.
All Facts .this is the same thing that I had been telling people and now somebody is talking about it on RUclips. This guy really did his research.
Great losing Stats on Michael Jordan, and information. Awesome critique. MJ is the G.O.A.T.
And this was when teams were scoring 90 points a game.
Jordan is my favorite player ever, easily. I thought he was the goat by far for a long time--until I saw the remastered footage of Wilt Chamberlain. Oh Lord.
The problem I saw with Wilt is that he was a ball hog and only started winning when he started passing. Also, he declined in the playoffs. The average height back then was 6ft 4in-5in. Bill Russell contained him at times.
Jordan was blocking and stealing from guys 3 times his size.
The other thing about people talking about Jordan didn’t win until Pippen: Pippen first season he was a bench warmer, and during the first Championship season Pippen wasn’t even selected as an All-Star. Also Pippen’s career numbers were about the same as Chris Bosh’s.. so Jordan just needed a Chris Bosh in order to win his first three-peat.
Jordan got drafted in 1984. Scored more points in the 80s. Pippen came in 87. Played more than 6 for 6. Hes was a phenomenon. But started winning rings in 91. And the 90s were outstanding.
But it wasn't the 80s
Jordan was called the BOAT by the late 80s
Point One: no one should expect a single rookie, however talented, to rescue an entire team. But given his talent, for Chicago to win 11 more games, is not saying a whole lot. Compare that to Bird and his first year; the Celtics won 31 more games and ended with the division's best record. (or, so I just read online).
Point One...I appreciate the dichotomy, however, as a Celtics fan since 1969 Larry Bird already had good players on his team...Michael Jordan had nothing accept Charles Oakley. The Bulls winning 11 more games his rookie year was remarkable and validates how much of his high level of play night in and night out outperforms LBJ any day of the week.
You’ve never heard anyone who was at the top of their game described as the Lebron James, the Kareem Abdul Jabbar or the Wilt Chamberlain of their profession. You do, however, hear them described as the Michael Jordan of blah, blah, blah. It’s clear. Jordan is the greatest ever … period.
Detroit Pistons fan here and Jordan was the goat
Great Video! It looks like there's no dispute on who's the GOAT! 🐐🐐🐐👏👏👏
Dude this video is PERFECT for shutting up nay sayers…..
I’m saving it and gonna share when in these conversations.
MJ MJ MJ is the goat.
This argument needs to be more about context and not just accolades, stats, and performance. There is context to all of that stuff on both sides.
Oh my goodness. I like your logic. You brought up points I never thought of.
When you think of the player who wore the No. 23, you will always think of Michael Jordan
He was so good that even Miami Heat retire the No. 23 jersey.
I'd say that I agree with all of them because you spoke facts.
The only players that should be allowed to be argued with His Airness are The Captain Kareem , the Big Dipper Wilt , and Bill Russell! Period. Outside of 🎩 and 🐦 those men changed the game in some form. Rules where made to eliminate their dominance and elevated if not saved the game, and made it global. Lebron, Shaq, and whomsoever you want to claim as a goat has to get past those 5 first to reach Billy status. Allen iverson and Magic are the only 2 players I love Outside of the 🐐 Michael Jeffrey Jordan
Great analysis and video. 10/10 Earned Subscription & multiple shares on social media debate groups.
Best player I’ve ever seen play is Jordan. Only other players I wish I could’ve watched..Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.
MJ is a very underrated passer, blocks, defense overall, steals, assists, off ball playmaker, overall playmaker, handles,a leader. Kids nowadays know him as only a scorer.
This is a great analysis and as for people bitchin about the last stat, besides expansion teams n that weak attack, player werent cryin over weak ass fouls, actually had to play D and also not sit out for rest bites playin as many games as possible, nba today is a weak, no fundamental rule havin, bitch over being touched doin, half streetball, ( n I love streetball) game spoiling, oh I'm bored of shooting 3s sport now.
I think the main reason Jordan is dissed is because of a strong desire among many to think that the present is always better than the past. If GOAT always privileges Greatest of MY Time, it becomes a silly and misleading label.
The younger generation of NBA fans must watch this video to help them understand why MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN is the GREATEST OF ALL time. Thank you for making this video, Love how you breakdown the details of MJ's greatness. 👏👏👏👏
A GOAT never says he's the GOAT (or EXPECTS to be named the GOAT)... a GOAT lets everyone else say it for him. If you really listen to MJ, he always gives props to the older generations, saying, "It's not fair to compare me to them, because we never played each other. It was a different time, a different era." Each generation has their own version of a GOAT. HOWEVER... Like him or hate him, LBJ has surpassed many people statistically, but humility is one stat he needs to learn to embrace. The craziest thing I ever heard come out of LBJ's mouth was when he said, "I'm taking my talents to Long Beach", and then promised the fans that, "we're gonna win championships !!! Not 1... not 2... not 3... not 4... not 5... not 6... not 7"... and then only won TWO, played for the team for FOUR years... and bailed on them, just like he bailed on Cleveland !!! LBJ... stop making promises you can't deliver on... you're not MJ. MIKE DROP, B!TC#E$ !!! Oh, and how many times did MJ lose in the finals... 11 (but he still has SIX RINGS) Look it up... PEACE
My favorite is Detroit was old. So 27, 28 and 29 was old wow
Yeah amazing how all the legends of the 80s got old at the same time: summer of 1990 😝
"Did your guy win a threepeat?"
- Me destroying Lebums Stans
No shame in losing to the spurs or golden state warriors then right because they are historically great.
Jordan never had an inept playoff series as Lebron did in that 07 Finals. There isn’t a playoff series where Jordan shot 35% or less than 25ppg.
Jordan with trash losing to great teams compared to LeBron having superteams and losing while playing bad are two totally different things.
there is nothing wrong with losing to those spurs or warriors. the problem is when LeBron fans dismiss the losses and hold those same type of losses against MJ.
@@justamessenger4577no there is something wrong with losing in the finals more than u won
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I didn’t say that. All I said was there was nothing wrong with losing to the warriors or spurs.
Jordans 87-88 season was insane. No player has ever came close to putting a season up like that season. He took home almost every award there is. Jordan has more awards in his career than LeBron and Durant combined. Until a player can put up that kind of season MJ will STAY the GOAT. Lebron isn't the goat, he is great and is a one of a kind player who's longevity at such a high level is something very special but he didn't have the impact that MJ did and most importantly was no where near as dominant as MJ. LeBron coming back against the Warriors to win a chip was insane
I was looking into it. It seems that is the best season he ever had. Not even his championship seasons were better than that. Despite winning MVP, All defense award, scoring title, and finals mvp in his championship years, the 88 season was his best. Thats freakin crazy. Lebron ain't no GOAT at all. Not even close.
MJ IS THE MF’n G. O. A. T!
It’s not even close. LeBalco is not better than Bird, Kareem, Hakeem, Kobe, Julius or Magic!
or Duncan or Wilt or Russell.
Therefore he’s not top 10.
Fun fact, since Jordan rookie year, he has taken the Bulls to the playoffs. Yes Jordan got swept twice by a HOF team but what did Jordan do, he learned from his losses, stood with the team, never went to join/start a Super Team, & dominated. Jordan has always praised Pippen cause with Pippen, there wouldn’t be no Jordan but in reality, Jordan was being humble cause the Bulls had the opportunity to get a better superstar than Pippen. If it wasn’t for Jordan, the Bulls wouldn’t be the team it was cause of him. Jordan made everyone great around him.
Jordan introduced them to the grind. They said he put the team in playoff mode at practice.
Im tired of the use of GOAT. Being the goat in sports used to be a bad thing. That being said, MJ is still the best there's been and I wasn't a Bulls fan.
Only casual basketball fans like Lebron real hardcore fans like Jordan.
Amazing video!!
🤔 I always thought you were different, that you didn't care about the Jordan vs lebron debate and this channel was to show how great all legends were and the history of the game.
Pretty good argument. Bird, Magic, and Jordan. All different players. What kinda numbers would Bird put up in today's game with more emphasis on the 3? Idk. Jordan had longevity too. Incredible defense. Magic was so fun to watch. Energized everyone but I agree, Jordan is different. No one will ever be as good. A.I. with better teammates perhaps? Better numbers? Idk. Kobe beat Paul The Truth Pearce....pretty incredible performances. Jordan was different....too strong.
This is how you can break it down: LBJ needs to play with very specific tyoes of players who use a very specific style of play to win, jordan only needed competant players that were willing to play hard and he would find a way to win. Scottie was a good player but it was because of jordan that he was able to bring out every ounce of potential he had. Same thing with just about every member of those 3peat teams, they became great because they had jordan to force the absolute best out of them. Other than rodman and scottie, almost none of those players would have had the success they had on almost any other team. Id even argue that without jordan and eventually phil jackson scottie would have been a solid roleplayer but not go down in history as arguably the best second man in history and rodman would have still been great but he would have ended up pushed out of the league a lot sooner because of his off the court behavior that would have bled into his on court antics, basically everything we saw on the lakers would have happened alot sooner without jordan and phils ability to manage him because he became alot more wild in the year or two before leaving Detroit.
I hear the narrative Jordan didn’t win without Pippen all the time. It’s a funny argument to me. Nobody denies Pippen helped for getting the 6 championships
isnt that hilarious that those who oppose MJ always say that as a critique when we 100% agree?
Spot on! Great video! Knowledgeable fans know that MJ is the GOAT, and it's not even close.
MJ would've been averaging 60 points a game in today's game 💪😎
Thank you!!! People tend to forget that '91 finals where MJ was out assisting Magic for the series, until the last game, where Magic recorded over 20 assists. MJ average 11 assists in those finals!!!! People that have seen MJ's full career know he is the G.O.A.T. It is only the mainstream media that has been looking for someone to replace MJ for over 25 years, that is pushing this Lebron G.O.A.T. nonsense. And if you notice, they are all paid by Clutch Sports.
Desperate people come up with desperate arguments like saying Jordan as a rookie didn't win in the playoffs until Pippen arrived. Well, Lebron didn't even make the playoffs in his rookie years and needed 2 All stars on his team to win a championship, unlike Jordan with just one.
Jordan is the goat because of what we watched him do night in and night out his attack was relentless on both ends of the floor
Even before he won his rings, everyone was calling him the GOAT because no one saw anything like this: it was after his 1988 season. He wanted to win so bad despite knowing his team sucked.
My Top 15 list of all time greats is separated into tiers. I believe Jordan is level above the rest, because he had as close to a perfect career as you can get.
Tier 1: The GOAT
1) Michael Jordan
Tier 2: Leaders of the Record Books
2) Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3) LeBron James
4) Wilt Chamberlain
5) Bill Russell
Tier 3: The Best of their Era
6) Kobe Bryant
7) Larry Bird
8) Magic Johnson
9) Shaquille O’Neal
10) Tim Duncan
11) Stephen Curry
12) Hakeem Olajuwon
Tier 4: Decade Defining Players
13) Nikola Jokic
14) Oscar Robertson
15) Kevin Durant
ETC….
1991 - nba rules changed correct? Flagrant Roul Addition - KILLED the Jordan Rules - Bad Boy Pistons were Destroyed by this!
NBA changed it protect their marketing future!