There is 1 clear G.O.A.T. Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had... 4-6 in finals (Losing record) 22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record) Most finals losses (Losing record) Most swept in finals (Losing record) Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals 2004 missed playoffs 2005 missed playoffs 2006 eliminated 2007 swept 2008 eliminated 2009 eliminated 2010 eliminated 2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever) 2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad 2014 eliminated 2015 eliminated 2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad 2019 missed playoffs 2021 eliminated 2022 missed playoffs 2023 swept 2024 frist round gentelman sweep 2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud... Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-9 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams... Lebron’s rankings... Total points - 1st Points Per Game - 5th Playoff PPG - 6th Scoring Titles - 6th Finals MVP Awards - 2nd All Defensive First Teams - 5th Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd Playoff PER - 3rd Win Shares/48 Min - 8th Playoff WS/48 - 3rd Playoff BPM - 3rd Offensive BPM - 2nd Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd Game Score - 14th MJ's rankings... Total points - 5th Points Per Game - 1st Playoff PPG - 1st Scoring Titles - 1st Finals MVP Awards - 1st All Defensive First Teams - 1st Player Efficiency Rating - 1st Playoff PER - 1st Win Shares/48 Min - 1st Playoff WS/48 - 1st Playoff BPM - 1st Offensive BPM - 1st Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st Game Score - 1st MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats... Kareem - 14 Lebron - 11 MJ vs. Kareem (16-9) MJ vs. Lebron (21-7) MJ vs. Magic (18-10) MJ vs. Duncan (21-5) MJ vs. Russell (11-4) MJ vs. Shaq (19-6) MJ vs. Wilt (14-2) MJ vs. Durant (22-6) MJ vs. Curry (22-5) MJ vs. Bird (21-6) MJ vs. Kobe (24-3) MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5) Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)... Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever... MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...
There's so many things that make MJ the GOAT that are never talked about. He was a master at escaping the trap, go look at the old videos when teams tried to trap him.. good luck. Now look at any players in the modern era, get trapped all the time. MJ was a master at stopping the momentum of the other team to keep them from going on a run. He would back down the other team's best player and either dunk on him hit fadeaways over him, and then lock him down on the other end of the court. It's not just MJ could score, and MJ could defend, MJ was a level above everyone in just about every aspect of basketball.
He was a master of using double and triple teams to his advantage. So many plays where he evades double teams by seeing it quickly and spinning away or where he recognises where it’s coming from and uses the defender’s momentum so they end up crashing into each other.
at the end of the day there only so much one single player can do for a team, MJ took a bunch of coke heads into the playoffs 4 years straight on his own, then he got a semblance of help but Pippen was shit when he got in, MJ had to mold him to be good and he did, after that he just never stopped
@@gzwz12 Thank You! Finally someone w/ logic. I keep beating home this point when ppl keep bringing up Chicago did in ‘93-94. It was the same team sans MJ, but the kinks showed. Once the ‘94-95 team rolled around, the wheels came off & that’s when Pip infamously wore MJ’s shoes, showed the sole to the camera & telling him to come back.
Lebron does have very good advanced stats as well...just not as good as mike but if you only consider those who's advanced stats are fully available, he would easily sit right behind Jordan using these stats ..... Kareem and wilt likely would rank above lebron if all those stats were available for proof but some are not tracked for them
@@deonlepharaoh yea but the THE GOAT should not be also about stats also attitude in the game...doest quit and look for another stack team...instead of accepting failure looking for someone to blame...at the end of the day..lebron didnt meet the standard of the GOAT...yea ALL STAR just lile curry kd etc. but not same level as MJ and Kobe..
LeBron James has played 21 full NBA seasons. He has led the league in one of the major advanced stats a total of 43 times. Michael Jordan played 13 full NBA seasons. He led the league in one of the major advanced stats a total of 61 times. LeBron averaged 2.0x per year leading an advanced stat. Jordan averaged 4.7x per year leading an advanced stat. _It's not close LeBron fanboys.....not even remotely._
I always put it this way. Jordan is like Mozart. Even people that never got in touch with classical music, not listening to it, do not know about it, do not no any composers etc...still the majority of those people will go: "ah Mozart, now i know what you talking about." Same with Jordan. He is known for mastering the craft of Basketball even by people that never ever held a Basketball in their hands, let alone know anything about the history, rules, players,...you name it. They'll go: "nah, Basketball is not my cup of tea, i know Jordan though" What that means is, he is the benchmark of Basketball. It will be forever linked to him. Same with Mozart and classical music, where also even Mozarts' big time contemporarys went, "damn...this child will make us all look like amateurs in times to come" MJ the GOAT... all day, every day
@@lazydadsgarage Ant man is an amazing player, but he's a kid peaking right now, it's his 4th season and in his first 3 he did nothing, let's not get an other LeBALCO here and overhype a kid, let him cook and we will see if in 3-4 years he keeps this numbers, then we can say he's great
Watching this video reminded me of BJ Armstrong great quote in the Last Dance: "Michael Jordan didn't even really play basketball anymore. He just figured out how to win the game. He knew how to steer momentum. He knew how to get guys going. Not only was he that good on the offensive end, he was that good on the defensive end. He was just playing a different game than the rest of us. He let us play, but he was there to win the game."
That's true... But Honestly Shaq got robbed in the All Star Game (96 if I remember it correctly) where Jordan became the MVP... The boohs from the audience have been loud
Alvin Robertson, Sydney Moncrief, Michael Cooper, Gary Payton, Ron Artest, Kawhi, and most recently Marcus Smart were the only perimeter players to win DPOY aside from the 🐐 Now what separates MJ is how he was burdened to score most of his team's points throughout his career.
In summary it's just more proof that MJ is the best there ever was & the best there ever will be...took the sport to new heights... I'm a fan because of him & I hated 🏀 prior...which is why I can't understand for the life of me what klutch is trying to accomplish by spreading false propaganda against him and his era? I mean seriously it drives people away 👈💯🤬 #MJtheGoat
Honestly, I don't mess with advanced stats because I have no idea how the numbers are tabulated but great work with this bruh. The deeper you dig, the more Jordan's superiority is confirmed.
Once you understand the advanced stats I think it gives you a greater appreciation for people that impact the game in ways that aren't on your typical stat sheet. People with big numbers but not great advanced stats are going to be the stars that get a lot of points but never make it far in the playoffs. PER is a rating of a players per minute value. (15 is average) I'm not sure on the whole formula, but it's basically what your contribute positively - what you do bad. +/- is how many points you contribute per 100 possessions. The average is 0. Stars are around a 4. All time great season is close to a 10, an MVP season is around an 8. TS% is true shooting percentage. It basically converts all field goals into one. Basically, FG% isn't accurate because 3s are harder to hit than 2s but are worth more. If you hit 33% of 3s and 50% of 2 then then true shooting percentage is 50% as 0.33*3 is 1 point per attempt and 0.5*2 is 1 point per attempt. If you're a 70% free throw shooter and you get 2 free throws, then that's 0.7*2 or 1.4 points every time at the line. Basically, a good free throw shooter is highly valuable in basketball. PIE is basically a percentage out of 100 of how much of the games events were related to the player. In my opinion these are the most important ones to evaluate a player. +/- PER PIE TS%
@@jaimesilva1990 Like I said, I would need to know the exact formula used to come to these numbers to see them as a go to method of player evaluation. Context is key. FG% can be deceiving because it doesn't account for distance. Shaq is not a better shooter than Michael Jordan even though his career FG% is significantly higher. front court players will always have a higher FG% than backcourt players because they play closer to the basket. this is further substantiated when you see how these big men are consistently below average free throw shooters. Shaq shot damn near 50% from the line for his career. The touch you have on your shot is demonstrated in your ability to hit your free throws which is why your perimeter specialists hit their FTs in the high 80 and even 90 percentiles. You don't need to be an expert in advanced stats to know this. You just need to understand the game of basketball.
The problem with this is mj is the mid range king and Analytics say that is a bad shot selection. But mj was around 50% shooting percentage. So I don't believe Analytics is always right.
that's not a problem with analytics, it just shows that MJ is just that good. if he is still one of the most efficient players in NBA history despite taking a high percentage of his shots from an inefficient range, that just means he's even better than the analytics tells us he is. and they already tell us he's the best ever. so he's even better than that.
The stats- even advanced stats invented after his tenure prove it. But you wouldn’t need those unless you’re desperately searching for reasons to be delusional. The eye test alone is all any normal human needs. To see the shit he did every night- every night jn those days had to have been memorizing. Modern, all-time greats have amazing moves and plays that he pulled off and topped dozens of times. Over and over. He left it all on the court. For the fans. For his franchise🙃looking at it how he moved, how he operated thirty years ago was mesmerizing. Thirty years later we still don’t see that shit. realizing it’s physically impossible to see that type of shit ever again- over and over again- and haven’t to this day o it side of individual “career highlights”; that’s all you need to know. The accolades solidify that shit. Stats are just the icing on the cake. But once you see it you know. If you argue you’re just lying and likely have daddy issues and a Broccoli top hair cut.
Advanced metrics are overhyped when it comes to winning vhampioinships, mostly. Case in point MJ's 88 season and some of the others before he won chips, he had better overall numbers and better advanced numbers than when he learned to sometimes take a back seat to teammates and get them involved, which lead to more winning. That being said, when you combine the stats with the cluthc winning playoff record, and you can only and simply conclude that Michael is the best and it's not even close. The fact that it's close in some peoples' minds shows how unintelligent and/or uninformed we are as a society lol.
His advanced stats didn’t drop very much tho. In some stats, his 1995-96 and 1996-97 seasons were just as good as some of his earlier seasons. He was incredibly consistent overall from his rookie season all the way to 1997-98. Crazy how he dominates advanced stats, overrated or not. 😀
The narrative that Jordan had to "learn" how to win with teammates is a bit murky. He won as a freshman in college with multiple NBA-caliber teammates and had no problem blending in. The bottom line is that he simply didn't have the horses to win in the NBA until 1990 and if you look at the ECF Game 7 against the Pistons, Jordan was the only one who showed up with his supporting cast shitting the bag. If he has a solid team from day 1 as a rookie (like Barkley with the 76ers) then he's winning from day 1.
@@antiarezzo7630 MJ usage rate was consistently between 32 and 34 from 1987-88 to 1997-98. In the 3 years prior to his 1st 3peat (1987-88 to 1989-90), his usage rate was 33.3. In the 1st 3peat (1990-91 to 1992-93), his usage rate was 33.1. In the 2nd 3peat (1995-96 to 1997-98), his usage rate was 33.4. His usage rate was just as consistent in the playoffs as well. Just talking about the 1988 season, he had a usage rate of 34.1 and did not win the title. But he had a usage rate of 34.7 in 1992-93 and won the title. So I do not think his usage rate had anything to do with whether or not he won titles.
The advanced analytics tell a lot... the aura, the eye test, the accolades, the titles, the competitiveness, the dominance, the clutch, the impact on the game, the shoes... The whole package is why he's the Goat.
I think what’s even more crazy was players today play to pad their advanced stats. They didn’t even exist during Jordan’s time, so it’s even more impressive that Jordan is at the top of every major advanced statistical category despite not playing for them. For example, these days, it’s widely considered that the midrange shot is the most inefficient shot, so you would think Jordan’s advanced analytics wouldn’t be good, but he was so good at shooting that it basically didn’t matter to him.
The greatest offensive player in NBA history and arguably the greatest defender being one of only four players to make 1st team all defense nine times and won POY once on defense. The greatest postseason performer in history and the game's greatest closer of all time. When it mattered the most he was even better.
MJ23 is the BAR. All other basketball 🏀 players eventually are measured to the greats, but the final boss, the Lord of the Rings, is none other than Michael Jordan. Some call that standard as the goat, which can not be disputed if he is the standard and metric for which all other future champions are measured against.
Jordan has some of the purest jumpshot mechanics in the 90s, he would at least shoot 35-36% on a lot of 3s or he could stay the same and still be efficient tbh but he wasnt a bad shooter in any sense he made tough 3s like kobe
Do you know about this other channel called "The Universe Galaxy NBA" and he has another channel called "Michael Jordan Fans are the Worst Sports Fans All Time." I would like to know his response to this, but he will probably just say that you're wrong and that all these stats are meaningless. But the funny thing about him is that he won't even try to say who is the GOAT if it's not MJ, he just tries to argue with anyone who is an MJ fan. I would love to see you do a video about this guy's channel and poke holes in his arguments.
ACTUALLY...GOAT IS NOT JUST ENOUGH TO DESCRIBE MICHAEL AIR JORDAN. MORE LIKE... A GOD DESCENDED IN ORDER TO HOW TO PLAY THIS BALLGAME. BASKETBALL, THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BALLGAME IS COMPLETED BY HIM. GAME FOR ALL AND ONE FOR ALL TEAMMATES, HE SHOWED HOW TO BUILD A MYTH. THANK YOU MIKE
Highest vertical 48 inches big hands best midrange shooter attacks the basket relentlessly and post game and amazing foot work and good enough handles to get to his spot and defensive beast. Unlike lebron no bag just one dribble and bully his way to the rack
@@justamessenger4577 Blocks and steals. And adv stats like shot tracking, etc. Bill and Wilt have been tracked to avg at least 8 blks unofficially and Bill in particular was famous for keeping blocks in play which often leads to them being regarded as steals. So with 8bpg as a basis and about 4spg I'd say they'd jump up a lot. Especially Wilt. To put into perspective its possible in one season Wilt lead the league in 4 out of 5 mayor stats plus field goal%, double doubles, trip doubles and quad doubles xD. Absolutely ludicrous stuff.
@@andrewcook1246 Don’t forget that TOs were not counted then either. So, cool, how much would their PERs change once blocks, steals, and TOs were taken into account? Especially when steals and TOs have the exact same weight, they might cancel each other out or affect PER negatively. Have you tried this or are you guessing?
@@justamessenger4577 What about the 10 blocks per game. Those help? And they each had about 5+ stls per game. And C's barely handled the ball or brought it up so they are not know for high turnovers. It almost sounds like you're scared to do the math cause some of your fav players are gonna look childish lol
@@andrewcook1246 lol. I actually asked you to do the math since you are the one making the claim that their PER would sky rocket, has nothing to do with my favorite players. I didn’t bring up any other players. I would actually like to know this and I don’t care if their PER goes up. I don’t care at all. If they do, that’s great. Anyway, it is not up to me to prove your claim correct. It is obvious that you have not done it and prob have no intention of doing it. Until you actually do the math tho, all you are doing is stating opinion. There is no way you can know how their PER will be affected until you actually test it, you are just guessing and hoping you are right. you said they will “skyrocket” and I want to see if that is the case. Prove it.
There's a theory that teams with scoring champion can't win championships in NBA history. Teams with scoring champion have only won 11 championships and 6 of which were won by Jordan.
It’s interesting to me that anyone needs more than the eye test when looking at Jordan’s career. If what you are seeing him do on the court before making the NBA isn’t the proof you need when comparing players then the team and individual titles (the man didn’t care for individual btw) then maybe the science that is advance metrics should do it right? Eye test though is the one thing anyone who thinks somehow there is another goat for basketball should really be all the truth you need. The fact MJ isn’t just the basketball goat but a goat of all goats should be your real pointer. There aren’t that many goats of goats and unfortunately none playing basketball today that can take Micheal’s crown let alone stand on his shoulders for the goat of all goats. Damm analytics and their scientific truths … what has the world come to that you need facts to determine a players impact these days but thanks you exist. Shame there’s still folks who think the world is flat 🤦 🤦 🤦
kareem has same amount of rings, more mvps, more finals appearances, and better longevity. Im not saying hes not the goat but people act like its not a discussion.
I don't think that you should ignore the turnover percentage because in a game of limited possessions having a player who scores like he does while being more efficient than his peers is a tremendous advantage. in 91 he was top 35 in assist percentage while also having a turnover percentage of 8.7, much lower than the players around him.
There ara things that cant be measure by stat..fear for his presence, mentality, how it can break down opponent, trash talk effect, bravery etc that will effect the game
He was the best player be ever seen before he won a Championship just ask Larry Bird and the Coaches that watch him play he had it all offensive defense moves passes when he pass the ball that was the beginning of the Goat we no what he did later on 💯 Way over LBJ thats not close to Kobe RIP fans he was so much better than Kobe he try to play like MJ like what came on TV l wanna be like Michael 😮😮😮😮😢
as far as seeing another MJ, it's hard to say since things have changed so much on and off the court. i think MJ's upbringing has a LOT to do with how he dominated the game too. 2 parent households with siblings reign supreme. i'll leave it at that
Michael is the god of basketball Michael is so good he can beat every basketball player to ever plat Michael can beat every basketball player at any skill level Michael is so good he can every basketball player in a 1 on 1 Jordan can easily beat every basketball player at any size or weight Jordan can beat every basketball player in 1 on 1 Michael can beat every euroleague basketball player in a 1 on 1 Michael can beat every street ball legend in a 1 on 1 Michael is so dominant he can easily beat all of wilt chamberlain records if he wanted to In fact michael is so dominant and so impossible to stop, he would destroy shaq in a 1 on 1.
The funniest thing I hear Lebron fans say is MJ had a super team and his finals competition was trash lol. Then why did it take 6 games to win and even then he barely beat those teams lol. Literally destroys that argument and shows how great those teams were, but they don't wanna hear that because it destroys their narrative
I'm convinced God loves the name Michael. Archangel Michael a chief prince stands up for God's people. Michael Jordan Goat of basketbal. Michael Jackson goat of entertainment . Michael Tyson Goat of knockouts. Like and name some other great Michael's.
I’m still waiting for a video like this about LbJ… most LbJ videos are about trying to bring MJ down to his level, obviously cause there’s not enough to get him close to MJ
its a way to measure it, but these metrics and analytics have changed multiple times across multiple categories. wilt is the most statistically dominant player outside of these advanced metric. in short, sports marketing run these advanced stats/metrics and sell who they want to! i generally use the same criteria outside of advanced stats, because in my opinion, it is the most manipulated by marketing big wigs, without contest!
Idc who people think the goat is (dumb conversation) but people don’t give the bulls the credit they deserve. They helped MJ more than any other team helped a star. With media emergence back then, he was the first star that casuals got to see highlights of. Even if there was a better player, MJ fans will never concede. Put Allen Iverson on that bulls team and you’ll probably have same results. If MJ made it to more finals, he’s not perfect in the finals. People just cherry picking stats and ignore big picture.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Do your research. Bulls had three of the worst supporting casts for champions in NBA history. By the way I wasn’t told. I watched every game. AI on the bulls would have won on chip tops. Replace Scottie with Shawn Kemp or Karl Malone or Barkley and you would have even more championships. Yours has to be one of the worst takes I have read on the internet and that is no easy feat
His playoff per average is the highest ever His regular season per is second behind jokic ,who is at his peak now, so its probable that MJ will retain that leadership MJ has the highest BPM average for the playoffs and number 2 reg season behind LeBron.
i am so tired of people comparing Lebron or Kobe. Michael is the GOAT period. Those dudes have lost in the finals. Jordan has not. His stats are bar none
I showed this video and the actual numbers advance metrics and stats to a friend that is with the " we done with the 90s" trend and he says lebron is the goat and isnot even close and guess what excuse he had Nah mj did that on the plumbers era 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ They always gonna find an excuse to hate on mj Lebron james is advance metrics are insane too he is more % at scoring mostly of his game and physcal advantages but if you take a look of mj numbers other than rebounds and assists mj is better and by far most of the stats that favors bron are longevity stats like vorp winshares/100 etc Another thing, bron just passed mj in all time offensive rebounds last season yes the 6'9 guy that has 6 seasons more than mj just pass him on pffensive rebounds
I guess advanced analytics' role in debating the GOAT and where players rank all time should be something you look at when the answer isn't obvious on the surface. That is their purpose no?
MJ was by far the best player of his era but in terms of advanced stats the Joker is above him so far. His current 4-year stretch is something we have not seen before. Leading the league in PER with over 31, win shares, ws/48 over .300, BPM, VORP. Plus 3 MVPs and one Runner up. MJ never achieved this. If Joker continues to dominate like this he should have a legitimate goat case.
Joker only recently knocked Jordan off the top spot for All Time PER, Win Shares per 48, Box plus minus etc... Jordan now stands at number 2 All Time in these major advanced stats. It is important to note, however, that Joker is currently only 29 years old, still in his prime, he hasn't experienced his 'past prime' years yet which will undoubtedly bring his final stats down, it will be interesting to see where he ranks in advanced metrics once he has retired. Joker has indeed had a great 4 year stretch but MJ led the NBA in major advanced stats an incredible 61 times in his career, that's the most by any player in NBA history, Kareem is 2nd on the list with 54. Also, Jordan's advanced stats include his Wizards years, when he played with significant injuries (broken ribs, back spasms, tendinitis in his knees and wrist), yet despite playing injured for 2 years, he still ranked number 1 All Time in most major advanced metrics! Joker is a great player but he has a very long way to go to reach MJ's level. Advanced stats is only one factor, Jordan's GOAT status is based on several factors... his combination of Team and Individual accolades, accomplishments and records are still unmatched. Additionally, MJ dominated the NBA on BOTH ends of the court in what was a very tough, physical league, whilst consistently elevating his performance on the biggest stage, the Playoffs/Finals. Joker is nowhere near MJ's level defensively and is also playing in an Era that heavily favours the offensive player, nobody can deny that the lack of defense being played in today's Era has led to a massive inflation when it comes to offensive stats. Don't get me wrong, I love Joker, in particular his fundamentals, he is clearly the best player in the world right now and the fact is, if he continues on his current trajectory, he will finish his career as an All Time Great... As you said, time will tell but I just don't think he will rise to MJ's level.
MJ never said he's the GOAT people says he is the GOAT. Where other "its just basket" "Not 1, not 2 , not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 have to call himself the GOAT.
Jymxhighroller worked out that MJ went for 8 years without losing more than 2 games in a row. This was 5-6ish times better than anyone else. I steph and Kareem did 1&1/2 years...
@@MrMex44 It may be a team game but, THE BULLS did not lose 2 in a row while MJ was absent. MJ himself did not even after he came back during that stretch, so your statement is somewhat disproven right there. (edit to put did not lose)
For all the Lebron fans that love to play the longevity card…if Jordan played as long as Lebron, he would be at almost 46k career points. So please stop the madness and crafting a narrative that downplays previous generations, and hypes up Lebron as something he isn’t.
MJ is by far the goat! It’s a fact LJ is great but MJ (black Jesus) is from other’s dimension… My English is terrible, I know .. sorry for that jajajaja
He not play that benefit mst from it , erroneous. Because he play in an era when players/teams wasn't push as it is now, in analytics. Jordan , is the player with most dominance when applied to these metrics.
Jordan is great. Top 10fosho which is an anomaly given how many players played this game. But wilt is the goat hands down. Him and bill are 1 and 2 above all others. Analytics are severely flawed as most don’t even have a single trace or representation of dating back before certain eras like the late 60s. Also things like usage rate continue to assume correlation is causation when it is not at all just like the flawed debunked pace argument claiming pace makes stats inflated in the 60s when it’s actually the opposite given the comp rules circumstances coaching style of play pace etc… these things assume correlation is causation and assume if a player has a usage rate individually higher than others that it’s harder to win totally ignoring the teams greatness relative to the comp cohesive unit vs cohesive unit. This is further proven by the ignoring of jordan losing thru the entire 80s and only winning when things got far less difficult in the 90s as his team and situation and rules got far easier Analytics is also made up by someone who can’t pick up a basketball whim admitted that there’s tremendous flaws with their made up point system. U don’t use analytics to determine whose greater than who. You use abilities comp obstacles circumstances versatility dominance over position and impact. And the goat is clearly wilt there. But even if u wanna use traditional stats and analytics and awards and abilities and physical gifts and obstacles and impact and comp and circumstances it all favors wilt Chamberlain yet again far more than jordan or any other player ever U literally have to focus on small things to say someone specifically is the goat over wilt but going by what truly matters or by everything possible, no one has more of some things over wilt to the extent wilt has more of some things over them. End of the day, jordan is an all time great Fosho but nothing will ever change the fact that Wilt has far more of a gap in his favor over jordan in rule changes cuz of his impact, records, traditional stats across the board postseaon or reg season, harder hof comp, harder rules, harder circumstances, more physical abilities, more versatility, obstacles, more dominance over position etc… than jordan could ever dream to have more championships, awards, and analytics over wilt Wilt is far closer in those things than jordan is closer to wilt in the other areas Same goes for all others in nba history. Wilt is the goat
LeBron fans vomiting the analytics stuff to “prove” he’s the goat are delusional. They like to pick and choose what suits their theory. Nothing, anywhere shows LeBron is the goat. His failures, quitting, horrible body language, teammate and coach destroying, etc cancels him immediately
Jordan didn't lead his team, his teammates helped him to thrive. The Wizards Jordan didn't have teammates to help him ,so he failed down to earth. To respect him, players from other teams just let him shoot , much like Kobe's last game, no players from the other side really guarded him. The Hornet Jordan was even worse, he didn't know how to build a team, how to recruit players, how to guide them to play. Well, he is a successful business man, give him credit.
Laughable.... Wizards had a 19-63 record the year before Jordan unretired, and 25-57 after Jordan retired again. Jordan took this big pile of trash to 26-21, 5th in EC before his injury, and a combined 67-75 record in two years he played. In other words he basically added 12 to 18 wins a year to this big pile of trash when most of the time playing on one healthy leg, and could have singlehandedly carried them to playoff if he didn't suffer that injury
@@jackyjackson604o yeah? Then go look at lebrons teams he joins and leaves. The bulls won 55 games without MJ. Lebrons teams don’t make playoffs without him. That includes Miami with wade or Bosh. The cavs twice. Please tell me who had a better team around them?
@@MrMex44 Stop, making fake arguments devoid of context. What happened to the Bulls the next year before MJ came back? They were barely of .500, how come you don't talk about that? How come you also fail to mention the COMPLETE IMPLOSION OF THE TEAM! Lebron was not the only person that left, that entire team was dismantled. Miami lost Wade and Bosh due to them being injured 1/2 of the season. How about you tell me in 2008 and 2009 when Lebron had the best team in the NBA winning 59+ games and failed to make the Finals??? But that doesn't seem to be something you wanna talk about since you dodged this same question in a different comment.
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MJ is the goat and it's not even close
At all
100% goat.
There is 1 clear G.O.A.T.
Lebron has had the most combined all-stars, shooters, veteran minimum notables, and teammates taking paycuts to stack his teams from top to bottom. Always switching to new teams with new prime stars and handpicking players to fill out the rest of his rosters with teammates that he feels will compliment him. Despite having the most help, he's had the most failures, especially for the amount of help he's had...
4-6 in finals (Losing record)
22-33 Wins/Losses (Losing record)
Most finals losses (Losing record)
Most swept in finals (Losing record)
Had the 6th worst +/- in a finals
2004 missed playoffs
2005 missed playoffs
2006 eliminated
2007 swept
2008 eliminated
2009 eliminated
2010 eliminated
2011 eliminated (Biggest meltdown ever)
2012-2013 Wade/Bosh/Handpicked squad
2014 eliminated
2015 eliminated
2016-2018 Kyrie/Love/Handpicked squad
2019 missed playoffs
2021 eliminated
2022 missed playoffs
2023 swept
2024 frist round gentelman sweep
2020 Bubble ring favored older players that needed rest/Faced Heat with 44 wins, Butler's 2nd best teammate was an injured Dragic lol, and Lebron had AD along with the rest of his handpicked sqaud...
Lebron is 3-4 against 60+ win teams in the playoffs, and MJ is 7-2 against such teams. Lebron is 10-9 against 50+ win teams, and MJ is 20-7 against such teams...
Lebron’s rankings...
Total points - 1st
Points Per Game - 5th
Playoff PPG - 6th
Scoring Titles - 6th
Finals MVP Awards - 2nd
All Defensive First Teams - 5th
Player Efficiency Rating - 3rd
Playoff PER - 3rd
Win Shares/48 Min - 8th
Playoff WS/48 - 3rd
Playoff BPM - 3rd
Offensive BPM - 2nd
Playoff Defensive BPM - 2nd
Game Score - 14th
MJ's rankings...
Total points - 5th
Points Per Game - 1st
Playoff PPG - 1st
Scoring Titles - 1st
Finals MVP Awards - 1st
All Defensive First Teams - 1st
Player Efficiency Rating - 1st
Playoff PER - 1st
Win Shares/48 Min - 1st
Playoff WS/48 - 1st
Playoff BPM - 1st
Offensive BPM - 1st
Playoff Defensive BPM - 1st
Game Score - 1st
MJ leads Lebron 21-7 in every Advanced analytic, Per stat, and major accomplishment, which includes scoring championships, all-defensive first teams, MVPs, DPOY, PER, Offensive rating, Defensive rating, O/D Rating Diff, W/S per 48, BPM, Career Winning Percentage, NBA championships, Finals MVPs, Finals losses, Finals W/L record, Playoff winning percentage, Career PPG, Steals per game, Blocks per game, FT%, and less Turnovers per game. Lebron's only 7 categories are TS%, VORP (Longevity), Finals Appearances (Most help all-time), assists per game, rebounds per game, FG%, and 3P%. Kareem outscores Lebron in these categories 14-11, having a better resume himself. Just below is how MJ scores against other all-time greats...
Kareem - 14
Lebron - 11
MJ vs. Kareem (16-9)
MJ vs. Lebron (21-7)
MJ vs. Magic (18-10)
MJ vs. Duncan (21-5)
MJ vs. Russell (11-4)
MJ vs. Shaq (19-6)
MJ vs. Wilt (14-2)
MJ vs. Durant (22-6)
MJ vs. Curry (22-5)
MJ vs. Bird (21-6)
MJ vs. Kobe (24-3)
MJ vs. Hakeem (22-5)
Lebron only shoots a higher FG% than MJ due to the number of shots he takes at the rim. Lebron shoots below 40% from beyond 3 feet of the rim for his career. Lebron has the liberty of shooting so much in the paint because of all the floor spacing shooters he has had, and there's no big centers waiting on him in the paint. MJ was a major floor spacer from midrange for his team, having only 1-2 shooters for a select number of minutes in any game. Also, the bigger the position, the higher their FG% is supposed to be. Lebron only shooting a decimal higher is actually bad when it's put into context. Switch Lebron and MJ's shooting charts, and you'll be absolutely shocked how high MJ's FG% would be if he shot from where Lebron does. Same with how low Lebron’s FG% would be shooting from where MJ did. Lebron only shoots a higher percentage at one place from distance, and that's from beyond the 3 point line. But that's only because of the emphasis causing players today to practice and shoot from there more often. In the only 3 seasons that MJ shot 3 or more attempts from beyond the ark, his percentages were 37.4, 37.6, and 42.7 (higher than Lebron ever shot from beyond the ark)...
Imagine if Lebron had 1 all-star, 3-4 good role players, and some bums to fill out his roster for up to 7 years of his career while playing in the tougher conference, kind of like MJ. Then Lebron would have what? 2-3 finals appearances max? 1-2 championships max? Maybe considered a top 20 player of all-time at best? Lebron, having the most help all-time to get into the top 3 conversation, has tainted his own legacy and shouldn't be put ahead of Kareem. If people still talk about Bill Russell (RIP) to this day for having so much help and have him all over their top 10 all-time lists, then Lebron’s legacy is also tainted forever...
MJ was one of the greatest all-around players of all-time. He once averaged 32.5/8/8 for an entire season, 11.4 assists in the 1991 finals, and a triple double over a span of several weeks while playing PG. MJ handed basketball duties over to Pippen after his horrific rookie season, at Phil's request, to help him grow into a decent teammate for the betterment of the team. MJ would then focus on his two-way specialty game so Pippen could be productive for the team as well. But Pippen never put up the stats mentioned above that MJ put up earlier in his career. Don't listen to the narratives that the media has to put out there for their own ratings. They needed to manufacture a fake goat in MJ's absence for the NBA's ratings and their own. But they'll eventually tell more truth when Lebron’s gone for some time, while they lift a new star for ratings...
There's so many things that make MJ the GOAT that are never talked about. He was a master at escaping the trap, go look at the old videos when teams tried to trap him.. good luck. Now look at any players in the modern era, get trapped all the time. MJ was a master at stopping the momentum of the other team to keep them from going on a run. He would back down the other team's best player and either dunk on him hit fadeaways over him, and then lock him down on the other end of the court. It's not just MJ could score, and MJ could defend, MJ was a level above everyone in just about every aspect of basketball.
He was a master of using double and triple teams to his advantage. So many plays where he evades double teams by seeing it quickly and spinning away or where he recognises where it’s coming from and uses the defender’s momentum so they end up crashing into each other.
The more you study MJ, the more incredible he will be. MJ 🌟~GOAT FOREVER 💫💫
The thing is that once MJ started winning championships, he simply couldn’t stop.
Ain't that the truth, 💯
at the end of the day there only so much one single player can do for a team, MJ took a bunch of coke heads into the playoffs 4 years straight on his own, then he got a semblance of help but Pippen was shit when he got in, MJ had to mold him to be good and he did, after that he just never stopped
@@seebbsssexcept the bulls won 55 games without him…that seems like a great team to me
55 the year after winning 3 titles. Once back to earth, and in the 2nd year with no mj, have a look at their record.
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Thank You! Finally someone w/ logic. I keep beating home this point when ppl keep bringing up Chicago did in ‘93-94. It was the same team sans MJ, but the kinks showed. Once the ‘94-95 team rolled around, the wheels came off & that’s when Pip infamously wore MJ’s shoes, showed the sole to the camera & telling him to come back.
DONT let lebroom fans watch this it will shatter their belief 😂
Anyone who is still a fan of ledumb at this point is hopeless and has no chance lol
Lebron does have very good advanced stats as well...just not as good as mike but if you only consider those who's advanced stats are fully available, he would easily sit right behind Jordan using these stats ..... Kareem and wilt likely would rank above lebron if all those stats were available for proof but some are not tracked for them
@@deonlepharaoh yea but the THE GOAT should not be also about stats also attitude in the game...doest quit and look for another stack team...instead of accepting failure looking for someone to blame...at the end of the day..lebron didnt meet the standard of the GOAT...yea ALL STAR just lile curry kd etc. but not same level as MJ and Kobe..
Lebron fans already satisfied that Lebron is greater than Kareem and Wilt.
@@NataliaSagala-ti9cvbut he ain’t.
LeBron James has played 21 full NBA seasons.
He has led the league in one of the major advanced stats a total of 43 times.
Michael Jordan played 13 full NBA seasons.
He led the league in one of the major advanced stats a total of 61 times.
LeBron averaged 2.0x per year leading an advanced stat.
Jordan averaged 4.7x per year leading an advanced stat.
_It's not close LeBron fanboys.....not even remotely._
Actually Lebron has never played a full season. He has never played a full 82 game season. Jordan has
@@editorodriguez6554is that an excuse or a feather in Lebron cap?
But Kobe is not close to neither of them lol
I always put it this way. Jordan is like Mozart.
Even people that never got in touch with classical music, not listening to it, do not know about it, do not no any composers etc...still the majority of those people will go: "ah Mozart, now i know what you talking about."
Same with Jordan. He is known for mastering the craft of Basketball even by people that never ever held a Basketball in their hands, let alone know anything about the history, rules, players,...you name it. They'll go: "nah, Basketball is not my cup of tea, i know Jordan though"
What that means is, he is the benchmark of Basketball. It will be forever linked to him. Same with Mozart and classical music, where also even Mozarts' big time contemporarys went, "damn...this child will make us all look like amateurs in times to come"
MJ the GOAT... all day, every day
The goat doesn’t need to be hyped; he just is. There may be another MJ but probably not.
Tell that to the bronsexuals😂
He is Ant Man
@@lazydadsgarage Ant man is an amazing player, but he's a kid peaking right now, it's his 4th season and in his first 3 he did nothing, let's not get an other LeBALCO here and overhype a kid, let him cook and we will see if in 3-4 years he keeps this numbers, then we can say he's great
@@lazydadsgarage no 😆
The are a ton of MJ hype videos though.
Watching this video reminded me of BJ Armstrong great quote in the Last Dance: "Michael Jordan didn't even really play basketball anymore. He just figured out how to win the game. He knew how to steer momentum. He knew how to get guys going. Not only was he that good on the offensive end, he was that good on the defensive end. He was just playing a different game than the rest of us. He let us play, but he was there to win the game."
That’s something Lebron can’t do is to motivate his team and get them going.
@editorodriguez6554 but LeBron didn't elevate on his own.
I don’t know how I’m still surprised when I hear some of these stats about MJ…but here we are. Awesome breakdown.
Jordan got robbed of TWO MVP awards!!
3*
And more DPOY
A minimum 2.
That's true... But Honestly Shaq got robbed in the All Star Game (96 if I remember it correctly) where Jordan became the MVP... The boohs from the audience have been loud
It's 3 mvps , 87. Magic, 93 Barkley, 97 Malone.
Jordan is the only player who could routinely hero ball his team past superb playoff opponents. And the numbers show it.
Do you know how hard it is for a guard to win DPOY?
Alvin Robertson, Sydney Moncrief, Michael Cooper, Gary Payton, Ron Artest, Kawhi, and most recently Marcus Smart were the only perimeter players to win DPOY aside from the 🐐 Now what separates MJ is how he was burdened to score most of his team's points throughout his career.
@@punyemas9783 Facts!! Jordan went hard on both ends...NO DIDDY!!
You hardly ever see a player maxing out on offense and defense!!
When you're good at something, you tell everyone.
When you're great, they tell you.
Walter Payton
He refused to loose thats what made him legendary
That's why he won 14 titles. And won with the Wizards.
In summary it's just more proof that MJ is the best there ever was & the best there ever will be...took the sport to new heights... I'm a fan because of him & I hated 🏀 prior...which is why I can't understand for the life of me what klutch is trying to accomplish by spreading false propaganda against him and his era? I mean seriously it drives people away 👈💯🤬 #MJtheGoat
MJ the ultimate player the total package he is one of the most dominant and successful players in NBA history
in sports history.
Honestly, I don't mess with advanced stats because I have no idea how the numbers are tabulated but great work with this bruh.
The deeper you dig, the more Jordan's superiority is confirmed.
Once you understand the advanced stats I think it gives you a greater appreciation for people that impact the game in ways that aren't on your typical stat sheet.
People with big numbers but not great advanced stats are going to be the stars that get a lot of points but never make it far in the playoffs.
PER is a rating of a players per minute value. (15 is average) I'm not sure on the whole formula, but it's basically what your contribute positively - what you do bad.
+/- is how many points you contribute per 100 possessions. The average is 0. Stars are around a 4. All time great season is close to a 10, an MVP season is around an 8.
TS% is true shooting percentage. It basically converts all field goals into one. Basically, FG% isn't accurate because 3s are harder to hit than 2s but are worth more. If you hit 33% of 3s and 50% of 2 then then true shooting percentage is 50% as 0.33*3 is 1 point per attempt and 0.5*2 is 1 point per attempt. If you're a 70% free throw shooter and you get 2 free throws, then that's 0.7*2 or 1.4 points every time at the line. Basically, a good free throw shooter is highly valuable in basketball.
PIE is basically a percentage out of 100 of how much of the games events were related to the player.
In my opinion these are the most important ones to evaluate a player.
+/-
PER
PIE
TS%
@@jaimesilva1990 Thank you for clarifying that.
@@jaimesilva1990 Like I said, I would need to know the exact formula used to come to these numbers to see them as a go to method of player evaluation.
Context is key. FG% can be deceiving because it doesn't account for distance. Shaq is not a better shooter than Michael Jordan even though his career FG% is significantly higher. front court players will always have a higher FG% than backcourt players because they play closer to the basket. this is further substantiated when you see how these big men are consistently below average free throw shooters. Shaq shot damn near 50% from the line for his career. The touch you have on your shot is demonstrated in your ability to hit your free throws which is why your perimeter specialists hit their FTs in the high 80 and even 90 percentiles.
You don't need to be an expert in advanced stats to know this. You just need to understand the game of basketball.
Correct💯💯
And the eye test.
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The problem with this is mj is the mid range king and Analytics say that is a bad shot selection. But mj was around 50% shooting percentage. So I don't believe Analytics is always right.
that's not a problem with analytics, it just shows that MJ is just that good. if he is still one of the most efficient players in NBA history despite taking a high percentage of his shots from an inefficient range, that just means he's even better than the analytics tells us he is. and they already tell us he's the best ever. so he's even better than that.
I wish someone would come along and actually be better than MJ. I would love to watch.
Fr I think we all want that because we would really be watching something insane
@@jaridatkinson4907it’s not gonna happen in a soft nba
Michael Jordan’s goat greatest player king 👑👑👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
The stats- even advanced stats invented after his tenure prove it. But you wouldn’t need those unless you’re desperately searching for reasons to be delusional.
The eye test alone is all any normal human needs. To see the shit he did every night- every night jn those days had to have been memorizing. Modern, all-time greats have amazing moves and plays that he pulled off and topped dozens of times. Over and over. He left it all on the court. For the fans. For his franchise🙃looking at it how he moved, how he operated thirty years ago was mesmerizing. Thirty years later we still don’t see that shit. realizing it’s physically impossible to see that type of shit ever again- over and over again- and haven’t to this day o it side of individual “career highlights”; that’s all you need to know. The accolades solidify that shit. Stats are just the icing on the cake. But once you see it you know. If you argue you’re just lying and likely have daddy issues and a Broccoli top hair cut.
Michael Jordan accolades and stats goes with his growth and championships.
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Advanced metrics are overhyped when it comes to winning vhampioinships, mostly. Case in point MJ's 88 season and some of the others before he won chips, he had better overall numbers and better advanced numbers than when he learned to sometimes take a back seat to teammates and get them involved, which lead to more winning. That being said, when you combine the stats with the cluthc winning playoff record, and you can only and simply conclude that Michael is the best and it's not even close. The fact that it's close in some peoples' minds shows how unintelligent and/or uninformed we are as a society lol.
His advanced stats didn’t drop very much tho. In some stats, his 1995-96 and 1996-97 seasons were just as good as some of his earlier seasons.
He was incredibly consistent overall from his rookie season all the way to 1997-98. Crazy how he dominates advanced stats, overrated or not. 😀
The narrative that Jordan had to "learn" how to win with teammates is a bit murky. He won as a freshman in college with multiple NBA-caliber teammates and had no problem blending in. The bottom line is that he simply didn't have the horses to win in the NBA until 1990 and if you look at the ECF Game 7 against the Pistons, Jordan was the only one who showed up with his supporting cast shitting the bag. If he has a solid team from day 1 as a rookie (like Barkley with the 76ers) then he's winning from day 1.
usage rate was too high thats why
@@donela6730 Also, that was the Pippen migraine game😂
@@antiarezzo7630
MJ usage rate was consistently between 32
and 34 from 1987-88 to 1997-98.
In the 3 years prior to his 1st 3peat (1987-88 to 1989-90), his usage rate was 33.3.
In the 1st 3peat (1990-91 to 1992-93), his
usage rate was 33.1.
In the 2nd 3peat (1995-96 to 1997-98), his
usage rate was 33.4.
His usage rate was just as consistent in the playoffs as well.
Just talking about the 1988 season, he had a usage rate of 34.1 and did not win the title. But he had a usage rate of 34.7 in 1992-93 and won the title.
So I do not think his usage rate had anything
to do with whether or not he won titles.
The advanced analytics tell a lot... the aura, the eye test, the accolades, the titles, the competitiveness, the dominance, the clutch, the impact on the game, the shoes...
The whole package is why he's the Goat.
Really shouldn't have created all these analytics cuz all it did was dig more of Jordan's records.
I think what’s even more crazy was players today play to pad their advanced stats. They didn’t even exist during Jordan’s time, so it’s even more impressive that Jordan is at the top of every major advanced statistical category despite not playing for them. For example, these days, it’s widely considered that the midrange shot is the most inefficient shot, so you would think Jordan’s advanced analytics wouldn’t be good, but he was so good at shooting that it basically didn’t matter to him.
“Congratulations. You played yourself.”
Nothing is better than the eye test
The player that if your research more about him, it makes his case of being the goat more compelling.
The greatest offensive player in NBA history and arguably the greatest defender being one of only four players to make 1st team all defense nine times and won POY once on defense. The greatest postseason performer in history and the game's greatest closer of all time. When it mattered the most he was even better.
what an awesome video. good job
MJ23 is the BAR. All other basketball 🏀 players eventually are measured to the greats, but the final boss, the Lord of the Rings, is none other than Michael Jordan. Some call that standard as the goat, which can not be disputed if he is the standard and metric for which all other future champions are measured against.
Jordan has some of the purest jumpshot mechanics in the 90s, he would at least shoot 35-36% on a lot of 3s or he could stay the same and still be efficient tbh but he wasnt a bad shooter in any sense he made tough 3s like kobe
One thing I know for sure….no one ever said “this era of basketball is better than any other era”…🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄🎯
Bro show this to all the Bron Honey bears cause they try to talk stats 😂 and u realize Bron ain't even close to this guy
Stats don't say everything but are more credible than human biased opinion.
And he did it all with only 1 All Star teammate for his entire career. 👍🐐😍 4ever
Even the official NBA website says MJ is the greatest player of all time 😂
Do you know about this other channel called "The Universe Galaxy NBA" and he has another channel called "Michael Jordan Fans are the Worst Sports Fans All Time." I would like to know his response to this, but he will probably just say that you're wrong and that all these stats are meaningless. But the funny thing about him is that he won't even try to say who is the GOAT if it's not MJ, he just tries to argue with anyone who is an MJ fan. I would love to see you do a video about this guy's channel and poke holes in his arguments.
ACTUALLY...GOAT IS NOT JUST ENOUGH TO DESCRIBE MICHAEL AIR JORDAN. MORE LIKE... A GOD DESCENDED IN ORDER TO HOW TO PLAY THIS BALLGAME. BASKETBALL, THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BALLGAME IS COMPLETED BY HIM. GAME FOR ALL AND ONE FOR ALL TEAMMATES, HE SHOWED HOW TO BUILD A MYTH. THANK YOU MIKE
The eye test along with team and individual accolades .that's what makes a goat
Great video bro, can u name the instrumental in the background?
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DJ Fresh & Curren$y- Big Yacht Music Instrumental
The Tonight Show album
Micheal Jordan is the real GOAT
Highest vertical 48 inches big hands best midrange shooter attacks the basket relentlessly and post game and amazing foot work and good enough handles to get to his spot and defensive beast. Unlike lebron no bag just one dribble and bully his way to the rack
I just think that if you didn’t live it, you won’t understand. The entire story is what makes him the goat.
great work man
I like your style....all my arguments revolve around these same advanced stats so i agree with everything you're saying
I think dudes pre 80s get shafted due to not having all stats tracked. Dudes like Kareem, Wilt and Russell's PER and such would skyrocket
What stats are missing and how much would wilt Kareem and Russell PER skyrocket?
@@justamessenger4577 Blocks and steals. And adv stats like shot tracking, etc. Bill and Wilt have been tracked to avg at least 8 blks unofficially and Bill in particular was famous for keeping blocks in play which often leads to them being regarded as steals. So with 8bpg as a basis and about 4spg I'd say they'd jump up a lot. Especially Wilt. To put into perspective its possible in one season Wilt lead the league in 4 out of 5 mayor stats plus field goal%, double doubles, trip doubles and quad doubles xD. Absolutely ludicrous stuff.
@@andrewcook1246
Don’t forget that TOs were not counted then either.
So, cool, how much would their PERs change once blocks, steals, and TOs were taken into account? Especially when steals and TOs have the exact same weight, they might cancel each other out or affect PER negatively.
Have you tried this or are you guessing?
@@justamessenger4577 What about the 10 blocks per game. Those help? And they each had about 5+ stls per game. And C's barely handled the ball or brought it up so they are not know for high turnovers.
It almost sounds like you're scared to do the math cause some of your fav players are gonna look childish lol
@@andrewcook1246
lol. I actually asked you to do the math since you are the one making the claim that their PER would sky rocket, has nothing to do with my favorite players. I didn’t bring up any other players. I would actually like to know this and I don’t care if their PER goes up. I don’t care at all. If they do, that’s great.
Anyway, it is not up to me to prove your claim correct. It is obvious that you have not done it and prob have no intention of doing it. Until you actually do the math tho, all you are doing is stating opinion. There is no way you can know how their PER will be affected until you actually test it, you are just guessing and hoping you are right. you said they will “skyrocket” and I want to see if that is the case. Prove it.
Wish u hit on the playoff advanced and who rises or falls too but good vid
There's a theory that teams with scoring champion can't win championships in NBA history. Teams with scoring champion have only won 11 championships and 6 of which were won by Jordan.
Hoping for that cross over plus viva arc spin off I know it is going to 🔥
This is just another powerful reason that Jordan is the GOAT. And the guy didn't even mention the 6 rings!
Jokic is up there as the advanced stats king him and MJ are probably the top 2
It’s interesting to me that anyone needs more than the eye test when looking at Jordan’s career.
If what you are seeing him do on the court before making the NBA isn’t the proof you need when comparing players then the team and individual titles (the man didn’t care for individual btw) then maybe the science that is advance metrics should do it right?
Eye test though is the one thing anyone who thinks somehow there is another goat for basketball should really be all the truth you need.
The fact MJ isn’t just the basketball goat but a goat of all goats should be your real pointer.
There aren’t that many goats of goats and unfortunately none playing basketball today that can take Micheal’s crown let alone stand on his shoulders for the goat of all goats.
Damm analytics and their scientific truths … what has the world come to that you need facts to determine a players impact these days but thanks you exist. Shame there’s still folks who think the world is flat 🤦 🤦 🤦
Jordan is known for nobody else winning in his era, Lebron is known for the Spurs and Warriors being bettter constantly
Discussion has to be for second place. The distance between this alien and everybody else is just too big
kareem has same amount of rings, more mvps, more finals appearances, and better longevity. Im not saying hes not the goat but people act like its not a discussion.
@@antiarezzo7630In terms of individual accolades MJ has more than Kareem.
But I agree it's a lot closer between MJ and Kareem than MJ and LeBron.
@@antiarezzo7630 how many FMVPs? Thank you, I thought so
Krause hated him? No problem. Stern loves him.
I don't think that you should ignore the turnover percentage because in a game of limited possessions having a player who scores like he does while being more efficient than his peers is a tremendous advantage. in 91 he was top 35 in assist percentage while also having a turnover percentage of 8.7, much lower than the players around him.
MJ by far The GOAT
There ara things that cant be measure by stat..fear for his presence, mentality, how it can break down opponent, trash talk effect, bravery etc that will effect the game
He was the best player be ever seen before he won a Championship just ask Larry Bird and the Coaches that watch him play he had it all offensive defense moves passes when he pass the ball that was the beginning of the Goat we no what he did later on 💯 Way over LBJ thats not close to Kobe RIP fans he was so much better than Kobe he try to play like MJ like what came on TV l wanna be like Michael 😮😮😮😮😢
NOW, FOR HIS SKILL SET.............!!!!!!
LBJ claimed he is the goat, while MJ doesn't want to because he doesn't want to disrespect all the other great players that came before him
G O A T
as far as seeing another MJ, it's hard to say since things have changed so much on and off the court. i think MJ's upbringing has a LOT to do with how he dominated the game too. 2 parent households with siblings reign supreme. i'll leave it at that
Michael is the god of basketball
Michael is so good he can beat every basketball player to ever plat
Michael can beat every basketball player at any skill level
Michael is so good he can every basketball player in a 1 on 1
Jordan can easily beat every basketball player at any size or weight
Jordan can beat every basketball player in 1 on 1
Michael can beat every euroleague basketball player in a 1 on 1
Michael can beat every street ball legend in a 1 on 1
Michael is so dominant he can easily beat all of wilt chamberlain records if he wanted to
In fact michael is so dominant and so impossible to stop, he would destroy shaq in a 1 on 1.
The funniest thing I hear Lebron fans say is MJ had a super team and his finals competition was trash lol. Then why did it take 6 games to win and even then he barely beat those teams lol. Literally destroys that argument and shows how great those teams were, but they don't wanna hear that because it destroys their narrative
This is great, but why didn't you post pics/charts showing the numbers? Why would you do this and not show it so people can see it in clear form?
9000000% correct!!!
I was thinking absolutely the exact same thing....
No numbers on the screen (except 1 time)
C'mon, broooo
I'm convinced God loves the name Michael. Archangel Michael a chief prince stands up for God's people. Michael Jordan Goat of basketbal. Michael Jackson goat of entertainment . Michael Tyson Goat of knockouts. Like and name some other great Michael's.
any of the lebum fam?
Easily the GOAT!!!
I’m still waiting for a video like this about LbJ… most LbJ videos are about trying to bring MJ down to his level, obviously cause there’s not enough to get him close to MJ
its a way to measure it, but these metrics and analytics have changed multiple times across multiple categories. wilt is the most statistically dominant player outside of these advanced metric. in short, sports marketing run these advanced stats/metrics and sell who they want to! i generally use the same criteria outside of advanced stats, because in my opinion, it is the most manipulated by marketing big wigs, without contest!
Idc who people think the goat is (dumb conversation) but people don’t give the bulls the credit they deserve. They helped MJ more than any other team helped a star. With media emergence back then, he was the first star that casuals got to see highlights of. Even if there was a better player, MJ fans will never concede. Put Allen Iverson on that bulls team and you’ll probably have same results. If MJ made it to more finals, he’s not perfect in the finals. People just cherry picking stats and ignore big picture.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Do your research. Bulls had three of the worst supporting casts for champions in NBA history. By the way I wasn’t told. I watched every game. AI on the bulls would have won on chip tops. Replace Scottie with Shawn Kemp or Karl Malone or Barkley and you would have even more championships.
Yours has to be one of the worst takes I have read on the internet and that is no easy feat
Allen Iverson? 😂😂😂 Iverson didn’t play defense and was an inefficient scorer who only cared about being the man. There’s a reason he never won
If MJ made it to more finals he’d have 7-8 championships. 8-1 is better than 6-0
Galaxy is that you? You switched teams
None
Advance stats are just there to display on sheets what we saw
His playoff per average is the highest ever
His regular season per is second behind jokic ,who is at his peak now, so its probable that MJ will retain that leadership
MJ has the highest BPM average for the playoffs and number 2 reg season behind LeBron.
I mean he is the greatest player ever that's not far fetch...... Only goofies think otherwise
i am so tired of people comparing Lebron or Kobe. Michael is the GOAT period. Those dudes have lost in the finals. Jordan has not. His stats are bar none
I showed this video and the actual numbers advance metrics and stats to a friend that is with the " we done with the 90s" trend and he says lebron is the goat and isnot even close and guess what excuse he had
Nah mj did that on the plumbers era 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
They always gonna find an excuse to hate on mj
Lebron james is advance metrics are insane too he is more % at scoring mostly of his game and physcal advantages
but if you take a look of mj numbers other than rebounds and assists mj is better and by far most of the stats that favors bron are longevity stats like vorp winshares/100 etc
Another thing, bron just passed mj in all time offensive rebounds last season yes the 6'9 guy that has 6 seasons more than mj just pass him on pffensive rebounds
I guess advanced analytics' role in debating the GOAT and where players rank all time should be something you look at when the answer isn't obvious on the surface. That is their purpose no?
The truth is hard to hear, but there is no "Greatest of All Time in the NBA." Only "Greatest of Their Eras." GOTEs > GOATs.
MJ was by far the best player of his era but in terms of advanced stats the Joker is above him so far. His current 4-year stretch is something we have not seen before. Leading the league in PER with over 31, win shares, ws/48 over .300, BPM, VORP. Plus 3 MVPs and one Runner up. MJ never achieved this. If Joker continues to dominate like this he should have a legitimate goat case.
Joker only recently knocked Jordan off the top spot for All Time PER, Win Shares per 48, Box plus minus etc... Jordan now stands at number 2 All Time in these major advanced stats. It is important to note, however, that Joker is currently only 29 years old, still in his prime, he hasn't experienced his 'past prime' years yet which will undoubtedly bring his final stats down, it will be interesting to see where he ranks in advanced metrics once he has retired.
Joker has indeed had a great 4 year stretch but MJ led the NBA in major advanced stats an incredible 61 times in his career, that's the most by any player in NBA history, Kareem is 2nd on the list with 54. Also, Jordan's advanced stats include his Wizards years, when he played with significant injuries (broken ribs, back spasms, tendinitis in his knees and wrist), yet despite playing injured for 2 years, he still ranked number 1 All Time in most major advanced metrics!
Joker is a great player but he has a very long way to go to reach MJ's level. Advanced stats is only one factor, Jordan's GOAT status is based on several factors... his combination of Team and Individual accolades, accomplishments and records are still unmatched. Additionally, MJ dominated the NBA on BOTH ends of the court in what was a very tough, physical league, whilst consistently elevating his performance on the biggest stage, the Playoffs/Finals. Joker is nowhere near MJ's level defensively and is also playing in an Era that heavily favours the offensive player, nobody can deny that the lack of defense being played in today's Era has led to a massive inflation when it comes to offensive stats.
Don't get me wrong, I love Joker, in particular his fundamentals, he is clearly the best player in the world right now and the fact is, if he continues on his current trajectory, he will finish his career as an All Time Great... As you said, time will tell but I just don't think he will rise to MJ's level.
Who the F is the Joker?
@@alexanderg5386 the goat of advanced stats maybe?
Lebron is a JOKE!!
JORDAN is the GOAT!!!!
MJ never said he's the GOAT people says he is the GOAT. Where other "its just basket" "Not 1, not 2 , not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 have to call himself the GOAT.
To anyone that says he’s the “undisputed” GOAT, plz watch more ball and quit glazing
Jymxhighroller worked out that MJ went for 8 years without losing more than 2 games in a row. This was 5-6ish times better than anyone else. I steph and Kareem did 1&1/2 years...
Team game. Must be nice.
@@MrMex44 It may be a team game but, THE BULLS did not lose 2 in a row while MJ was absent. MJ himself did not even after he came back during that stretch, so your statement is somewhat disproven right there.
(edit to put did not lose)
From 91 to 98 as long as MJ was playing the Bulls never lost THREE in a row. It was easier to win a championship than to accomplish that feat.
without looking at advanced stats at all u know who goat is 😀
For all the Lebron fans that love to play the longevity card…if Jordan played as long as Lebron, he would be at almost 46k career points. So please stop the madness and crafting a narrative that downplays previous generations, and hypes up Lebron as something he isn’t.
MJ is by far the goat!
It’s a fact
LJ is great but MJ (black Jesus) is from other’s dimension…
My English is terrible, I know ..
sorry for that jajajaja
He not play that benefit mst from it , erroneous. Because he play in an era when players/teams wasn't push as it is now, in analytics.
Jordan , is the player with most dominance when applied to these metrics.
Jordan is great. Top 10fosho which is an anomaly given how many players played this game. But wilt is the goat hands down. Him and bill are 1 and 2 above all others.
Analytics are severely flawed as most don’t even have a single trace or representation of dating back before certain eras like the late 60s. Also things like usage rate continue to assume correlation is causation when it is not at all just like the flawed debunked pace argument claiming pace makes stats inflated in the 60s when it’s actually the opposite given the comp rules circumstances coaching style of play pace etc… these things assume correlation is causation and assume if a player has a usage rate individually higher than others that it’s harder to win totally ignoring the teams greatness relative to the comp cohesive unit vs cohesive unit. This is further proven by the ignoring of jordan losing thru the entire 80s and only winning when things got far less difficult in the 90s as his team and situation and rules got far easier
Analytics is also made up by someone who can’t pick up a basketball whim admitted that there’s tremendous flaws with their made up point system. U don’t use analytics to determine whose greater than who. You use abilities comp obstacles circumstances versatility dominance over position and impact.
And the goat is clearly wilt there.
But even if u wanna use traditional stats and analytics and awards and abilities and physical gifts and obstacles and impact and comp and circumstances it all favors wilt Chamberlain yet again far more than jordan or any other player ever
U literally have to focus on small things to say someone specifically is the goat over wilt but going by what truly matters or by everything possible, no one has more of some things over wilt to the extent wilt has more of some things over them.
End of the day, jordan is an all time great Fosho but nothing will ever change the fact that Wilt has far more of a gap in his favor over jordan in rule changes cuz of his impact, records, traditional stats across the board postseaon or reg season, harder hof comp, harder rules, harder circumstances, more physical abilities, more versatility, obstacles, more dominance over position etc… than jordan could ever dream to have more championships, awards, and analytics over wilt Wilt is far closer in those things than jordan is closer to wilt in the other areas
Same goes for all others in nba history. Wilt is the goat
Lebron honey slappers be watching this video drooling with a confused look on their faces.
Twilight only 🤣
MJ 🐐🐐🐐🐐
Advanced metrics 😂. Winning or losing. Thats it
The league should retire the number 23 #jordan
Michael Jeffrey Jordan is my GOAT in bball. No one is even close. Stats and chips back it up.
LeBron fans vomiting the analytics stuff to “prove” he’s the goat are delusional. They like to pick and choose what suits their theory. Nothing, anywhere shows LeBron is the goat. His failures, quitting, horrible body language, teammate and coach destroying, etc cancels him immediately
Jordan didn't lead his team, his teammates helped him to thrive. The Wizards Jordan didn't have teammates to help him ,so he failed down to earth. To respect him, players from other teams just let him shoot , much like Kobe's last game, no players from the other side really guarded him. The Hornet Jordan was even worse, he didn't know how to build a team, how to recruit players, how to guide them to play. Well, he is a successful business man, give him credit.
Yeah?
Laughable.... Wizards had a 19-63 record the year before Jordan unretired, and 25-57 after Jordan retired again. Jordan took this big pile of trash to 26-21, 5th in EC before his injury, and a combined 67-75 record in two years he played. In other words he basically added 12 to 18 wins a year to this big pile of trash when most of the time playing on one healthy leg, and could have singlehandedly carried them to playoff if he didn't suffer that injury
@@jackyjackson604o yeah? Then go look at lebrons teams he joins and leaves. The bulls won 55 games without MJ. Lebrons teams don’t make playoffs without him. That includes Miami with wade or Bosh. The cavs twice. Please tell me who had a better team around them?
@@MrMex44 Stop, making fake arguments devoid of context. What happened to the Bulls the next year before MJ came back? They were barely of .500, how come you don't talk about that?
How come you also fail to mention the COMPLETE IMPLOSION OF THE TEAM! Lebron was not the only person that left, that entire team was dismantled. Miami lost Wade and Bosh due to them being injured 1/2 of the season.
How about you tell me in 2008 and 2009 when Lebron had the best team in the NBA winning 59+ games and failed to make the Finals???
But that doesn't seem to be something you wanna talk about since you dodged this same question in a different comment.
@@strmshadow8411 All facts!
Nick wrong where u at stats nerds LeBron stans explain!@??