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He is not accidentaly correct, he is actually correct. Daenerys is a true Targaryen who has obtained dragons. Something no one has seen since the Dance of the Dragons, the scars of which still linger in his time. Tywin ,a man of realism and realpolitik shushes his grandson, who still has some imagination and real concern.
@@SantomPh They're not mutually exclusive. He was correct, but his reasoning was bad. Joffrey was right for the wrong reasons. Tywin drew an incorrect conclusion, but his logic was better.
You all can say what you want. But Tywin just denies what ever he doesn’t want to believe. I’m sure the many specialist of the kingdom told him his daughter and son weren’t fucking one another too. Not to mention one of the last reveals of Tywin is that he was always a hypocrite who beds prostitutes just like everyone else. He could have been just as worried but trying to keep up a strong face of calm for his grandson. Or he could just be doing his usual deny deny deny anything he just doesn’t want to acknowledge. But Tywin has a habit and history of denying anything he doesn’t want to believe. How his wife died just being natural? No he wants to blame his son. Tywin does this stuff all the time. If he doesn’t want to acknowledge something he just refuses to acknowledge it. Tyrion being the one with the mind most similar to Tywins? He doesn’t want to acknowledge it cause he just doesn’t want to. You can go on and on about Tywin doing this. It’s one of his biggest faults.
Keep it mind, the Maesters only had Targaryen dragons to go on. Dragons that were chained up constantly in the Dragon Pit and never grew as large as Balerion or Vhagar. Daenerys Dragons grew abnormally fast, within half a decade because they didn't have this limitation nor were they born from the eggs of stunted dragons. In HOD, Syrax is way too small for a dragon who is supposed to be three decades old.
No. Tywin wasn't wrong.. just like Ned. Keep in mind that they had spies keeping and Eye on Dany across that GREAT Sea Span.. and THAT (The Sea) was their Best Defense against Her.
@@GoldBanks60 I'm wondering why people didn't notice, he knew she was a huge threat, but not an immediate threat, why do you think he offered Oberyn that deal, Tyrion to marry Sansa and Joffrey to the Tyrels, it's a part of a bigger picture he just died on the Privy.
His idea for a standing army - instead of having to raise one from bannermen every time there’s a war - is the right idea and it’s the direction real life history went in, but he got shut down without a chance to explore it.
@@Champs-ek7lh The vague idea is good, however his planned execution wasn't. Not to mention the decentralized nature of the empire hampering how effective it would be and the massive debt problem the throne already had.
@@renevil2105 If Daniel Radcliffe could be Harry Potter for ten years and still get other roles, it's not like this would have been a problem. He "retired" (from the big mainstream stuff) by choice.
@@perlundgren7797 you are ignoring the difference Harry good guy, Joffrey bad guy. The actor for joffrey was getting a ton of hate mail and death threats.
@@renevil2105 Another GoT example, then: I'm guessing about 95+ % of people still associate Iwan Rheon with Ramsay, and that hasn't killed his career. Also, no. You can google "Thankfully, I've never had any negative fan experiences or anything" or "Nobody’s ever said a mean thing to me", and it should lead you straight to Jack Gleeson interviews with him alking about how nothing like that ever happened. People just love gossip.
I watch this entire scene at least 3-4 times a year. Charles Dance just fucking nails it. So does Jack Gleason. That little look Charles does as he says "Of course",after Joffrey says "Many important matters require a kings attention" is perfect.
Ironically this is Joffrey's best scene. Even though it is Tywin giving the lecture, Joffrey shines as the wiser of the two. A rare low moment for Tywin.
If Joffrey could’ve reined in his sadistic impulses - or just hadn’t been an absolute lunatic to begin with - he’d have been freakishly smart. I often think it’s sheer boredom that gave rise to his psychopathy. When he’s actually trying, rare though it is, he shows an ability to grasp ideas at 14 that most men twice his years can’t fathom. Cersei ruined him thoroughly.
What are you talking about? Even in this instance he's only right because he believes in what's the equivalent to magic, and Tywin doesn't. When did Joffrey ever show any sign of intelligence or even awareness?
@@niklaspietzschke8785 his declaration that a standing army is better than a feudal one. Costly but actually an advancement. Also is it really magic if it actually exist? The dragons were only gone for 300 years. Not really a long forgotten story
@@Hangman11 His standing army argument itself was solid, but misguided in the sense that during that time it was impossible for the Iron Throne to actually raise a standing army. And in regards to dragons and magic you have to realise that dragons followed the evolutionary path of any other animal (even if accelerated): less space and inbreeding led to smaller and smaller dragons. There was no reason at all to assume that full sized dragons would suddenly appear out of nowhere (the eggs were supposed to be inactive decorational artifacts when they were gifted to Dany). The fact that the eggs Dany had hatched was essentially the equivalent to magic.
@Niklas Pietzschke Joffrey had somewhat decent ideas, but instead of tempering his youthful inexperience and impulsive cruelty with wisdom and patience, Cersei coddled him to the point that there was nothing to do but ignore and work around the vicious idiot of a king they were left with. His ideas were flawed and he often misread the room, but he did occasionally display unconventionally intelligent ideas. If, perhaps, he had been raised better, he could've been a decent king. But...we will never know.
This is one of my favourite scenes from the show. Tywin Lannister was my favourite character mainly due to Charles dances acting, Tywin imo didn’t really do anything wrong. He was just cleaning up after his stupid family
Everyone I can think of who becomes king or queen gets cut by that thing at one point or another. It's a fucking chair made out of swords. I always thought the thing about the throne choosing people was just superstition. That or the throne just hates everyone who's spent any significant amount of time on it. Maybe that's the point. That there shouldn't be a king or queen.
the plan of Robert was to have Ned tutor Joffery to be king before Joffery ascends the throne when he is of age, but sadly, that's not how things turned out
@@armandosmith2684Dany wasn’t an immediate threat, you realize that right? They were already at war. Why worry about Dany when you have kingdoms in open rebellion?? Dany is a later concern that needs to be dealt with after you deal with the issues already on your doorstep
Actually, Ser Tywin also has a point. The last dragons on the world weren't bigger than cats, the biggest perished in the Dance centuries ago: It has sense that he thought Daenerys's dragons couldn't get into large creatures.
Except that since it was known (I believe) that the last dragons of Westeros didn't have descendance, whatever dragons were born after that must be at least as close to Balerion as to those small dragons.
@@CdFMasterVideo To be fair, nobody even thought the dragons eggs Dany had were even possible of hatching. They were intended as symbolic gifts, to remind others of her Targaryan'ness. Not Illaryio's fault he didn't talk to Varys about trying those magic flames the sorcerer threw Varys' balls into.
Honestly seeing some scenes individually as clips, reels, and shorts makes me realize that Joffery wasn't completely stupid, honestly if everything began a little earlier and he could have mitigated Cersei's influence, Ned really may have been able to make Joffery one of the best kings Westeros had known, until Daenerys invaded at least
He was a brat, but he never would have been evil if he wasn't spoiled. You almost feel bad for him during the battle of Kings Landing when he doesn't know what to do.
Except he’s severely mentally ill. That wasn’t Cersei’s influence. The child literally tortured animals then moved to humans once king. ^^; Pretty sure casually using a prostitute for target practice isn’t Cersei’s influence.
Allowing lannister boys to be king puppets so they could pull the strings was their downfall. Lannisters got ahead of themselves and found themselves really paying their debts at the end of it all.
If they did a “what if” got gamr of thrones it would be fantastic entertainment to see Joffrey and Tywin live longer snd more grandson/pa interactions.
This actor is sooooo good. I just started watching him in Keiser Sutherlands new show, the rabbits Hole. He’s really good at playing both good guy and bad guy.
Lol which one?? They are both amazing! (I'm pretty sure you mean Chuck, I think Jack quit acting after this, he just wants a normal life.. I could be mistaken but I heard that a few years ago..)
People calling joffrey correct here forgetting and that this is the guy who cant even be bothered to show up to his own council meetings. If he cares so much about this he can show up to the meeting but he doesnt, does he?
What? No. We refused to listen to the experts. Most politicians haven't listened to any of the ecpert advisors since 2020 or even before. What the hell are you talking about?
"You are being Counseled at this very Moment." One of my favourite Tywin Quotes.. second only too, "The King is Tired.. see him to his chambers. Grand Maester, perhaps some essence of Nightshade to help him sleep."
I kinda like how Joffrey was right on this because it’s the one thing he would be right on, as the only extra dimension that was added to Joffrey’s character was that he was a massive history weeb, like it’s actually something he’s passionate about. And so naturally he would take the threat of dragons more seriously because they’d be so vivid in his imagination.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I guess that is history. But there many times he displays a passionate interest in history. He may not have a reverent respect for the physical condition of historical documents, but still.
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I think it's perfectly in line with his character. He gets something he likes, he uses it to break something else he likes. He's a spoiled king. He could get another book if he wanted, he'd probably expect one. Plus the book he destroyed was just given to him by Tyrion. He'd probably do it just to humiliate his uncle.
That man brought life to the character. In only the way Charles Dance could. When viewers hate and respect characters, the goals been achieved and we all hated and respected Tywin...😅
I love the characters Charles Dance has brought to life. I love his acting. Every time I see his face, though, what comes to mind is the first character I ever saw him portray: Sardo Numspa (Brother Numsie as Chandler Gerald called him).
It's funny though that Tywin tells this to Joffrey as if he doesn't know about the dragons. Tywin tells Arya Stark when she was cup bearer that the dragons were the the only thing that could destroy tower of the hand.
@sjonnie playfull I think it was Harold the black that built the Castel. It was built to withstand any attack from land. Then tywin says look at it now in ruins. Because of dragons.
@@jarvishamill7717 I kind of remember it was Harren the mad, hence Harrenhal, and that the book told how on the day it was finished, Aegon landed at Kings Landing with his dragons Several years ago that I read the books, but this is how I remember it
I just caught this in the story line. Per Tywin's words 300 years passed before the dragons at the end of this season. That's 300 years for 3 dragon eggs to have never been hatched. Does that make sense to anyone? That just shows you that great writing (as people love to talk about when hating the last season) at the beginning of this show still has significant imperfections.
I think Tywin knew they if the dragons are like well... the old dragons, he's done. His house is done. His history, done. He could be exterminated from history completely. He can't accept that as a possibility. He just can't.
It's scenes like this and his royal army idea that illustrate that if he weren't such a vicious little shit, Joffrey actually had the capability to do be a decent king. He wasn't stupid he was cruel. Some of his cruel choices are actually smart. Torturing Sansa is vile and disgusting but it sends the message that he's not taking Robb Stark's campaign lying down and it sends a message to other would be traitors what can happen should they rebel. Afterall if he's willing to brutalize his queen to punish her brother what will he do to the families of others. Same with him slaughtering Robert's bastards. They are potential claimants people like Robb could rally forces behind to depose him. It's cruel and monstrous that Joffrey would have babies butchered but it was actually a smart decision. His stupid choices like executing Ned and ordering the deaths of the person who chucked a cow pie at him are also cruel. It's not that he makes stupid choices. He makes cruel choices, some smart and some stupid
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We have experts advising the current King, who does not even know what day of the week it is
It is funny how the lad was right here.
Why would I check this out
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The one time Joffrey was right
And it mattered the most.
That why Joffrey was the one true king hail king Joffrey
He was not. He hated everything that he couldn't abuse or kill. He didn't react due to wisdom.
@@dannyn6036 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day…
Joffrey is somehow accidentally correct, but Tywin’s “You are being counseled right now” goes so fucking hard
He is not accidentaly correct, he is actually correct. Daenerys is a true Targaryen who has obtained dragons. Something no one has seen since the Dance of the Dragons, the scars of which still linger in his time. Tywin ,a man of realism and realpolitik shushes his grandson, who still has some imagination and real concern.
@@SantomPh They're not mutually exclusive. He was correct, but his reasoning was bad. Joffrey was right for the wrong reasons. Tywin drew an incorrect conclusion, but his logic was better.
@@user-pn4py6vr4n This.
Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
You all can say what you want. But Tywin just denies what ever he doesn’t want to believe. I’m sure the many specialist of the kingdom told him his daughter and son weren’t fucking one another too.
Not to mention one of the last reveals of Tywin is that he was always a hypocrite who beds prostitutes just like everyone else.
He could have been just as worried but trying to keep up a strong face of calm for his grandson. Or he could just be doing his usual deny deny deny anything he just doesn’t want to acknowledge. But Tywin has a habit and history of denying anything he doesn’t want to believe. How his wife died just being natural? No he wants to blame his son. Tywin does this stuff all the time. If he doesn’t want to acknowledge something he just refuses to acknowledge it. Tyrion being the one with the mind most similar to Tywins? He doesn’t want to acknowledge it cause he just doesn’t want to. You can go on and on about Tywin doing this. It’s one of his biggest faults.
The only time tywin was wrong about what the dragon threat could be and Joffrey was correct in his ignorance.
Keep it mind, the Maesters only had Targaryen dragons to go on. Dragons that were chained up constantly in the Dragon Pit and never grew as large as Balerion or Vhagar. Daenerys Dragons grew abnormally fast, within half a decade because they didn't have this limitation nor were they born from the eggs of stunted dragons. In HOD, Syrax is way too small for a dragon who is supposed to be three decades old.
He isn't right in his ignorance. He's right to want other opinions.
As we see irl today most experts are not really experts they're just propagandists
Tywin knew the threat was real. He just kept that info from Joffery
No. Tywin wasn't wrong.. just like Ned. Keep in mind that they had spies keeping and Eye on Dany across that GREAT Sea Span.. and THAT (The Sea) was their Best Defense against Her.
@@GoldBanks60 I'm wondering why people didn't notice, he knew she was a huge threat, but not an immediate threat, why do you think he offered Oberyn that deal, Tyrion to marry Sansa and Joffrey to the Tyrels, it's a part of a bigger picture he just died on the Privy.
Joffrey being the smartest man in westeroes when he isn't a menance or a child or just having a childlike fear of a fairy tale
Exactly this was the ONE moment in the whole ass series where Joffrey was actually being a wise king
His idea for a standing army - instead of having to raise one from bannermen every time there’s a war - is the right idea and it’s the direction real life history went in, but he got shut down without a chance to explore it.
@@Champs-ek7lh i believe he was a little too busy torturing animals to realise his dreams
@@Champs-ek7lh his idea was great but they ignored the 1 million people living in kings landing that they could have used.
@@Champs-ek7lh The vague idea is good, however his planned execution wasn't. Not to mention the decentralized nature of the empire hampering how effective it would be and the massive debt problem the throne already had.
Such a rare moment: Joffrey being smarter than Tywin.
I wouldn't say smarter, just more open-minded, Tywin's POV is the logical one, but logic isn't always right.
Being right once doesn't make you smarter than someone
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Not smarter
@@j4genius961 actually, it was illogical to bet that her dragons are offspring of those "slaves" from 7Kingdoms.
It's a real tragedy that Joffrey's actor retired early, he's a super gifted actor.
He too iconic from this to get anything else, kinda killed his career.
@@renevil2105 If Daniel Radcliffe could be Harry Potter for ten years and still get other roles, it's not like this would have been a problem. He "retired" (from the big mainstream stuff) by choice.
@@perlundgren7797 you are ignoring the difference Harry good guy, Joffrey bad guy. The actor for joffrey was getting a ton of hate mail and death threats.
@@renevil2105 Another GoT example, then: I'm guessing about 95+ % of people still associate Iwan Rheon with Ramsay, and that hasn't killed his career.
Also, no. You can google "Thankfully, I've never had any negative fan experiences or anything" or "Nobody’s ever said a mean thing to me", and it should lead you straight to Jack Gleeson interviews with him alking about how nothing like that ever happened. People just love gossip.
Why did he retire?
This was actually one of Geoffrey's most reasonable moments in life.
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@@blingwraith6951 Joffrey.
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It pains me that tywin died by tyrion and not see all his lannister armies and belongings destroyed by dragon.
If tywin were alive, the picture could be different !
Same feeling that Joffrey wasn’t eaten by those dragons
@@hydraman246 correctmundo ! Joffrey should have been eaten alive by two dragons.
It would’ve been satisfying to see that self righteous prick eat his own words
Show died with him
Nah, that’s just Charles Dance being himself. Naturally terrifying
"I just killed a man and I did it on purpose. I said I just murdered a man and I want to confess."
Charles Dance was PERFECT for this role.
I watch this entire scene at least 3-4 times a year. Charles Dance just fucking nails it. So does Jack Gleason. That little look Charles does as he says "Of course",after Joffrey says "Many important matters require a kings attention" is perfect.
"You're being counselled at this very moment" boooom hits hard all the time
Ironically this is Joffrey's best scene. Even though it is Tywin giving the lecture, Joffrey shines as the wiser of the two. A rare low moment for Tywin.
If Joffrey could’ve reined in his sadistic impulses - or just hadn’t been an absolute lunatic to begin with - he’d have been freakishly smart. I often think it’s sheer boredom that gave rise to his psychopathy. When he’s actually trying, rare though it is, he shows an ability to grasp ideas at 14 that most men twice his years can’t fathom. Cersei ruined him thoroughly.
What are you talking about? Even in this instance he's only right because he believes in what's the equivalent to magic, and Tywin doesn't. When did Joffrey ever show any sign of intelligence or even awareness?
@@niklaspietzschke8785 his declaration that a standing army is better than a feudal one. Costly but actually an advancement.
Also is it really magic if it actually exist? The dragons were only gone for 300 years. Not really a long forgotten story
@@Hangman11 His standing army argument itself was solid, but misguided in the sense that during that time it was impossible for the Iron Throne to actually raise a standing army.
And in regards to dragons and magic you have to realise that dragons followed the evolutionary path of any other animal (even if accelerated): less space and inbreeding led to smaller and smaller dragons. There was no reason at all to assume that full sized dragons would suddenly appear out of nowhere (the eggs were supposed to be inactive decorational artifacts when they were gifted to Dany). The fact that the eggs Dany had hatched was essentially the equivalent to magic.
@Niklas Pietzschke Joffrey had somewhat decent ideas, but instead of tempering his youthful inexperience and impulsive cruelty with wisdom and patience, Cersei coddled him to the point that there was nothing to do but ignore and work around the vicious idiot of a king they were left with.
His ideas were flawed and he often misread the room, but he did occasionally display unconventionally intelligent ideas. If, perhaps, he had been raised better, he could've been a decent king. But...we will never know.
@@TheUndyingCrystal Which ideas exactly? I don't remember a single one of his ideas that was actually intelligent.
This is one of my favourite scenes from the show. Tywin Lannister was my favourite character mainly due to Charles dances acting, Tywin imo didn’t really do anything wrong. He was just cleaning up after his stupid family
I miss the early seasons of GOT the dialogue was so fantastic Charles Dance commands his presence on the screen what a character Tywin was
Tywin:
“Your brothers dead! You know what that means?”
The one time Jeoffrey was smart
It didn't come from a place of wisdom or intelligence though
I still can’t believe that the throne is choosing Joffrey…just give him one little cut god damn it just one.
He gets cut in A Storm of Swords when he commands some Stormland rebel lords to death
He sentenced a man to death, made a sweeping move with his arm, got a nice cut, and there was a response in the crowd that the throne had rejected him
Everyone I can think of who becomes king or queen gets cut by that thing at one point or another. It's a fucking chair made out of swords. I always thought the thing about the throne choosing people was just superstition. That or the throne just hates everyone who's spent any significant amount of time on it. Maybe that's the point. That there shouldn't be a king or queen.
@@jessicacharlton7347 Definitely superstition. This is Westeros, not Hogwarts.
@@jessicacharlton7347Of course it's a superstition and the OP was clearly joking.
Joffrey shouldve been sent to Casterly Rock to be reared by Tywin for awhile before assuming the Throne
the plan of Robert was to have Ned tutor Joffery to be king before Joffery ascends the throne when he is of age, but sadly, that's not how things turned out
being reared by tywin... that sounds wrong.... sorry about my weird mind lol.
@@pupper5580That's not weird but perverted considering that would be incest and paedophilia
A young and powerful king who's curious to learn. I'm sure his wisdom and rational decisions in the future will keep the kingdom safe and prosperous.
long live House Baratheon
Tywin as king would've been unstoppable
Bro he just dismissed the biggest threat to Kings Landing. He probably woulda dismissed the White Walkers too
@@armandosmith2684Dany wasn’t an immediate threat, you realize that right? They were already at war. Why worry about Dany when you have kingdoms in open rebellion?? Dany is a later concern that needs to be dealt with after you deal with the issues already on your doorstep
“Youre being counseled right now” is such a bad ass thing to say to the King lol
At this very moment*
Charles Dance is freaking awesome. He's one of my favorite actors.
Tywin was such a Godfather that he made being wrong look good.
When I watched this scene for the first time I was shocked that Joffrey was actually right about something
If Joffrey kept that same insight he might have lived another few episodes.
Actually, Ser Tywin also has a point. The last dragons on the world weren't bigger than cats, the biggest perished in the Dance centuries ago: It has sense that he thought Daenerys's dragons couldn't get into large creatures.
Except that since it was known (I believe) that the last dragons of Westeros didn't have descendance, whatever dragons were born after that must be at least as close to Balerion as to those small dragons.
nope, it was illogical to bet that her dragons are offspring of those "slaves" from 7Kingdoms.
@@CdFMasterVideo To be fair, nobody even thought the dragons eggs Dany had were even possible of hatching. They were intended as symbolic gifts, to remind others of her Targaryan'ness.
Not Illaryio's fault he didn't talk to Varys about trying those magic flames the sorcerer threw Varys' balls into.
When you realize that he did take the matter seriously in the first place. That is among the reasons he spoke to Oberyn.
Honestly seeing some scenes individually as clips, reels, and shorts makes me realize that Joffery wasn't completely stupid, honestly if everything began a little earlier and he could have mitigated Cersei's influence, Ned really may have been able to make Joffery one of the best kings Westeros had known, until Daenerys invaded at least
He was a brat, but he never would have been evil if he wasn't spoiled. You almost feel bad for him during the battle of Kings Landing when he doesn't know what to do.
Nah...he's a little shit to his bones.
He showed his colors with the butchers boy.
And confirmed it with the whores.
what ever you're smokin, roll me one.
Except he’s severely mentally ill. That wasn’t Cersei’s influence. The child literally tortured animals then moved to humans once king. ^^; Pretty sure casually using a prostitute for target practice isn’t Cersei’s influence.
@@RoseKoneko RIP in piece roz
One of many satisfying moments of Joffrey being undermined, for being right but already making too many mistakes to be taken seriously.
Even a broken clock is right twice for the day
Even Joffrey respects and fears tywin
I can listen to Charles fucking Dance indefinitely!
This is an example of a broken clock being right twice a day.
If Joffery was a stable serial killer like Dexter, he would have been one of the most dangerous characters in the series.
The actor that plays tywin has been a gem of a villain since “last action hero”
Wow never realized it was charles dance in that movie
@@Binks182 i never could forget that face, use to scare the shit outta me
I'll go back even further... The Golden Child 😅
"You are being counseled at this very moment." 💀
The one time Joffrey was right, and Tywin ignored him
Joffrey has a a few bright thoughts, The dragon's being a possible threat, and then the same idea as his father, a standing army.
Tywin was a very complex character and one of my favorites in the show.
The moral of the story is do not become complacent. Or the thing that makes you special will shrink to the size of a cat.
Would’ve loved to see Tywin’s reaction to Danny’s dragons it be about the only challenge he couldn’t face
It wouldn't have played out the same. Tywin isn't hotheaded like his daughter. Also not have lost support of the other houses.
To be fair, tywin and jeoffry had more pressing things to worry about than dragons; neither lived to see a dragon.
Allowing lannister boys to be king puppets so they could pull the strings was their downfall. Lannisters got ahead of themselves and found themselves really paying their debts at the end of it all.
Loved this guy ever since the golden child. One of the best villains ever
If they did a “what if” got gamr of thrones it would be fantastic entertainment to see Joffrey and Tywin live longer snd more grandson/pa interactions.
That time Geoffrey schooled Tywinn being cought up in an unusual display of ignorance.
This actor is sooooo good. I just started watching him in Keiser Sutherlands new show, the rabbits Hole. He’s really good at playing both good guy and bad guy.
Lol which one?? They are both amazing!
(I'm pretty sure you mean Chuck, I think Jack quit acting after this, he just wants a normal life.. I could be mistaken but I heard that a few years ago..)
@@jacobviator3118 Yep. Chuck. He has an interesting role with Keifer. No spoilers.
People calling joffrey correct here forgetting and that this is the guy who cant even be bothered to show up to his own council meetings. If he cares so much about this he can show up to the meeting but he doesnt, does he?
"because we've learned it from the experts" is the reason the world has fallen into ruin since 2020
Uh...examples?
@@scoita “masks don’t work” -Fauci lying to the public to preserve stocks of masks for hospitals causing massive amounts of Covid cases
What? No. We refused to listen to the experts. Most politicians haven't listened to any of the ecpert advisors since 2020 or even before. What the hell are you talking about?
"I'm 14 and this is deep"
"You are being Counseled at this very Moment." One of my favourite Tywin Quotes.. second only too, "The King is Tired.. see him to his chambers. Grand Maester, perhaps some essence of Nightshade to help him sleep."
The one time Joffery was reasonable, logical, and willing to learn. Tywin should have actually used this moment as a good opportunity to teach him.
The danger will sneak up behind them all.
One of the only times Joffrey was acting as a competent ruler, even if it was based on fear.
I kinda like how Joffrey was right on this because it’s the one thing he would be right on, as the only extra dimension that was added to Joffrey’s character was that he was a massive history weeb, like it’s actually something he’s passionate about. And so naturally he would take the threat of dragons more seriously because they’d be so vivid in his imagination.
Still, he did use his new sword on a history book during a birthday. Or was it not so much history but more a description of old Houses?
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I guess that is history. But there many times he displays a passionate interest in history. He may not have a reverent respect for the physical condition of historical documents, but still.
@@The_Story_Of_Us was not trying to be a smartass, just curious if that was a writing error not matching his character or something else
@@sjonnieplayfull5859 I think it's perfectly in line with his character. He gets something he likes, he uses it to break something else he likes. He's a spoiled king. He could get another book if he wanted, he'd probably expect one.
Plus the book he destroyed was just given to him by Tyrion. He'd probably do it just to humiliate his uncle.
@@The_Story_Of_Us good points
A man with flaws that brought about his ruin. But a very intelligent player of the gane of thrones, still my favourite character.
Tywin was my favorite villain. His character was so intelligent, complex, strong-willed, and, in a way, charismatic. Little Finger is a close second.
“Listen to the experts”. That has never gone wrong.
Credit where credit is due. Joffrey was asking all the right questions.
"But I haven't been owned"
"You are being owned at this very moment" 😮
This is one of the best scenes in GOT, you could show this to someone who knows nothing about the show and they’d get the whole picture.
Dance has enormous impact.
Joffrey was a completely different person when he wasn't blowing smoke out of his own ass and try to play a tough guy
Man, back when I had such high expectations for the show.
Robert and Jofferey were the only ones to see the threat
A broken clock is right twice a day.
id love to see Tywins reaction to dragons if he could see
Joffrey was the embodiment of "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole."
Nice Big Lebowski reference 😉
What an amazing line from an amazing actor.
the one time joffery was actually being sensible and smart.
The fact that Joffrey was right about this and neither of them lived to see it
Joffrey was very smart but he was to busy being the devil.
"Trust the science... my king."
joeffry actually had the potential to be a great king, he even know tywin is the right man for his kingdon
Tywin is my all time favorite “villain”
He did such an amazing job as Tywin
The only time where tywin should have listened to Joffrey
That man brought life to the character.
In only the way Charles Dance could.
When viewers hate and respect characters, the goals been achieved and we all hated and respected Tywin...😅
It's impossible to hate Tywin.
Respect and fear him, yes.
I love the characters Charles Dance has brought to life. I love his acting. Every time I see his face, though, what comes to mind is the first character I ever saw him portray: Sardo Numspa (Brother Numsie as Chandler Gerald called him).
If only he knew....would have loved his reaction to her fully grown dragons
The most perfect Machiavelian Prince.
Joffrey with a RARE moment on clarity.
I’m sure Tywin could give the dragons one look and they’d bring Danny back to where she came from.
It's funny though that Tywin tells this to Joffrey as if he doesn't know about the dragons. Tywin tells Arya Stark when she was cup bearer that the dragons were the the only thing that could destroy tower of the hand.
And those were the first dragons, not the last, who did that
@sjonnie playfull I think it was Harold the black that built the Castel. It was built to withstand any attack from land. Then tywin says look at it now in ruins. Because of dragons.
@@jarvishamill7717 I kind of remember it was Harren the mad, hence Harrenhal, and that the book told how on the day it was finished, Aegon landed at Kings Landing with his dragons
Several years ago that I read the books, but this is how I remember it
@sjonnie playfull you could be right my hearing is really bad and I may have heard it wrong. Lol.
@@jarvishamill7717 well, I read the books first, and being Dutch I also had subtitles on while watching the series, so I had help with it as well
And neither one of them lived to discover just how wrong they were.
The only time Joffrey had good instincts.
Imagine if he just checked bc Joffrey peaked his curiosity
I just caught this in the story line. Per Tywin's words 300 years passed before the dragons at the end of this season. That's 300 years for 3 dragon eggs to have never been hatched. Does that make sense to anyone? That just shows you that great writing (as people love to talk about when hating the last season) at the beginning of this show still has significant imperfections.
This might be the one scene where it looked like Joffrey was actually trying to be a good king, or at least a well informed king
Would’ve loved to see Tywin’s reaction to Daenerys dragons when she arrived at King’s Landing.
A broken clock is right twice a day
I think Tywin knew they if the dragons are like well... the old dragons, he's done. His house is done. His history, done. He could be exterminated from history completely. He can't accept that as a possibility. He just can't.
I am with Joffrey during the entire scene actually.😂
Charles Dance was so good in GOT
It's scenes like this and his royal army idea that illustrate that if he weren't such a vicious little shit, Joffrey actually had the capability to do be a decent king. He wasn't stupid he was cruel. Some of his cruel choices are actually smart. Torturing Sansa is vile and disgusting but it sends the message that he's not taking Robb Stark's campaign lying down and it sends a message to other would be traitors what can happen should they rebel. Afterall if he's willing to brutalize his queen to punish her brother what will he do to the families of others. Same with him slaughtering Robert's bastards. They are potential claimants people like Robb could rally forces behind to depose him. It's cruel and monstrous that Joffrey would have babies butchered but it was actually a smart decision. His stupid choices like executing Ned and ordering the deaths of the person who chucked a cow pie at him are also cruel. It's not that he makes stupid choices. He makes cruel choices, some smart and some stupid
I just love grandpa! He is one bad dude!👍❤️👌😎👣
Brilliant administrator, utterly ruthless. Best utilized by ensuring the good of the realm is tied to their own goals.
The one time this kid was thinking straight