The ULTIMATE Rebel 1100 Exhaust Comparison (Stock, Shorty GP, Coffman’s, V&H, and TBR)

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  • Опубликовано: 25 янв 2025

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  • @LifeOfBurch
    @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +102

    Skip ahead to your favorite parts here-
    Stock- 0:45
    Shorty GP- 1:01
    Coffman's- 1:33
    Vance & Hines- 2:05
    Two Brothers Racing- 2:27
    My opinion, in order from FAVORITE to LEAST FAVORITE- Two Brothers, Shorty GP, Vance & Hines, Coffman's, then stock
    My opinion, in order from LOUDEST to MOST QUIT- Shorty GP, Two Brothers, Coffman's, Vance & Hines, then stock

    • @Wettoast
      @Wettoast 3 года назад

      Hey What didn’t you like about the Coffman ?

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +2

      @@Wettoast I’m just not a fan of the look or sound, especially compared to the other exhausts that are available. The Shorty has a much more aggressive sound for a fraction of the price, the TBR is just hands down my favorite for both looks and sound, and the V&H is a much more refined and throaty sound compared to Coffman’s, plus beats it in the looks category in my opinion.

    • @Wettoast
      @Wettoast 3 года назад

      @@LifeOfBurch thanks for your input

    • @cem19771
      @cem19771 3 года назад

      any performance advantage of one over the other?! they all look uber cool.

    • @harleydavidson82
      @harleydavidson82 3 года назад

      Two Brothers Racing Definetly NO 1 !!!! Then the Coffman‘s !!!
      Nice Video 👍🏼

  • @RobDaKid87
    @RobDaKid87 Год назад +116

    I've never heard $60 sound so good. That was impressive.

  • @paolorocchi7151
    @paolorocchi7151 2 года назад +376

    Who else thought that the Shorty GP is a vast improvement over stock, a great design overall and an amazing value for money??!

    • @chokdeesam2365
      @chokdeesam2365 2 года назад +2

      Agree

    • @Sphoxros
      @Sphoxros 2 года назад +3

      Sounds soo much better with that :O May just have to pop one on when I pickup my 1100 lolz

    • @bentgolden
      @bentgolden 2 года назад +8

      @@Sphoxros I have one on mine. only downfall is it quickly loses the cheap paint on it. I sanded and repainted it with some high heat paint but the metal is kinda cheap too so its starting to rust again. I got about 3000 miles before it started looking bad after painting it myself though.

    • @Sphoxros
      @Sphoxros 2 года назад

      @@bentgolden Am now actually getting the Miller exhaust with the blacked out tapered end, its spendy but everyone I know that has one says you can't beat the sound and quality.

    • @craigbannister7826
      @craigbannister7826 2 года назад

      No, it looks like shit

  • @adamdennis5249
    @adamdennis5249 3 года назад +225

    GP shorty all day

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +21

      It’s BY FAR the best price vs sound ratio out of them all!

    • @Voltomess
      @Voltomess 3 года назад +22

      Exactly lol I would never pay $500 for brothers if shorty for $60 doing that awesome job even better than others like wtf lol.

    • @normanwilliams1070
      @normanwilliams1070 3 года назад +2

      Yep 👍🏼

    • @quest4adventure495
      @quest4adventure495 3 года назад +2

      Yes very sexy sound for unbelievable price!

    • @skelen100
      @skelen100 2 года назад

      is it legal in California?

  • @RobDaKid87
    @RobDaKid87 11 месяцев назад +16

    Came back to watch after recently buying a Rebel 1100. I wish all videos on RUclips were so efficient and yet still entertaining. Well done.

  • @YourLocalFireAlarmTech
    @YourLocalFireAlarmTech 2 года назад +124

    The shorty and the two bros sound the best IMO.

  • @28_babyshark
    @28_babyshark 2 года назад +7

    You don't see too many videos like this comparing all the top name brand on the same bike. Great video.

  • @MrDavidfuchser
    @MrDavidfuchser 3 года назад +46

    My vote for the VH. Sounds refined and clean.

    • @szakul2349
      @szakul2349 2 года назад +2

      it is like baby sound, not for me 😆😉

    • @Louiem28
      @Louiem28 3 месяца назад

      That’s why I put it on mine people just go for the loudest pipe meanwhile it sounds like a coffee can Vance and Heinz is by far the best pipe they make for that bike that’s why Honda put it on their bike as a package not the GP not the two brothersfans and Hines is the best company out of all of them also

  • @WhitneyKerr
    @WhitneyKerr 3 года назад +29

    This was EXCELLENT!!! Thanks to everyone for loaning their bikes for this, and Mike for putting it together.
    I have the TBR exhaust, and the only one I was like "ooohhh" for was the shorty GP, but I prefer the TBR styling (but damn that price tag)

  • @ashesdrivered
    @ashesdrivered 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for showing some gaffs at the end. We're all human and it's fun to watch!

  • @match6389
    @match6389 3 года назад +13

    Hey man! I’m new to the world of bikes, researching what my first bike should be. Fell in love with the rebel 500.. Came across your channel and just love your content man! I’ve spent literally the entire day watching every video of yours 😂 I’m from Bel Air, MD. Just wanna say keep it up, and thanks for the great content!

    • @Irule-og1od
      @Irule-og1od 3 года назад +5

      You might want to consider the rebel 1100, since you can learn how to ride in rain mode, and then still have an 1100cc bike when you develop the skill set. That's what I'm doing.

    • @zoom5024
      @zoom5024 3 года назад +1

      I wouldnt go for a $12.5K starter bike. Gonna cost alot more when you drop that thing, which happens to most people eventually when they are new.

    • @craigbannister7826
      @craigbannister7826 2 года назад

      @@zoom5024 and with crash bars, there's zero damage when u drop it

  • @bikerbeliever8169
    @bikerbeliever8169 3 года назад +17

    They all sound good actually. I think I like the tone of the Vance and Hines, but I'd be happy with any of them. They all got good rumble.

  • @marthaburcham3509
    @marthaburcham3509 3 года назад +7

    Well done and I have a feeling people watch that over and over to narrow down which they really like! And I love the “bloopers” at the end 😂

    • @RobDaKid87
      @RobDaKid87 11 месяцев назад

      I just got my 1100 and I'm doing that very thing as we speak.

  • @kkxi2289
    @kkxi2289 2 года назад +9

    I’m a fan of how the stock exhaust looks but the two brothers sounds amazing. Wish there was a way to combine the two.

  • @rasyidf
    @rasyidf 3 года назад +2

    This video got me spending £££.... hahaha.. bought CMX1100 last Wednesday, and bought Coffmans (waiting for delivery). Thanks man!

  • @LocalRevs
    @LocalRevs 2 года назад

    Thanks!

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  2 года назад

      Thank YOU!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @filipstrapinadotcz
    @filipstrapinadotcz 2 года назад +31

    To be honest, from this selection I like the stock exhaust the most for daily.

  • @kuurizzo1896
    @kuurizzo1896 Год назад +3

    Shorty GP sounds great. Thank you for the video.

  • @Sectionatebeats
    @Sectionatebeats 3 года назад +3

    Makes me glad I got the Two Bros…… dont plan on side bags, so enjoying the upswept look! Great vid, what an all star collection of exhausts!!

  • @ly_775
    @ly_775 2 года назад +4

    Vance & Hines for the style, Shorty GP for the sound :)

  • @jkmattpcolorado1970
    @jkmattpcolorado1970 2 года назад +2

    Two brothers and the shorty sounds so good.....mean sounding bike love it

  • @AussieTrucking
    @AussieTrucking 2 года назад

    Thank you for this. I was confident the vance and hines was the one for me but then heard the start up of the two brothers AND OMG that is IT

  • @frankiedlouhan2392
    @frankiedlouhan2392 Год назад +1

    Hello, does exist akrapovic exhaust system for it?

  • @leafinley6361
    @leafinley6361 2 года назад

    Hi Burch,
    Got the TB low, it's awesome!!! No silencer needed!!
    Thanks for the comparison!!

  • @BornAgainMan
    @BornAgainMan 2 года назад

    I have the RC Shorty GP on my 22 Rebel 1100. I Love it! Best Option with price considered. Never gets old, Not too loud!

  • @ericboyd4421
    @ericboyd4421 2 года назад +1

    the first 3 Rebels had headlight fairings that covered the instrument panels. could your please provide information on what those items were and where to find them. i am looking for a headlight fairing that comes up a little higher to cover the instrument panel plastics.

  • @The_Real_Y2
    @The_Real_Y2 2 года назад +3

    🚨 🏍 @LifeofBurch, what would a stock Rebel 1100 muffler sound like with 2 or 3 holes in it?

  • @therichie9916
    @therichie9916 2 года назад +2

    The shorty and two bros sound sweet!!

  • @2woofs784
    @2woofs784 3 года назад

    Thanks for that comparison. I love the Radiant exhaust. Prayers flying for safe travels

  • @nojnoj3069
    @nojnoj3069 2 года назад +2

    Awesome shorty for me..... actually it's a no-brainer @£60... awesome informative video and channel, so I subbed.... thank you.

  • @HalpPlsxx01
    @HalpPlsxx01 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks doe this video. I recently purchased a rebel 1100 DCT 2024 and dont reqlly like the stock exhuast. Im deciding whether to go eith thr shorty or thr two brothers without thr silencer. But im most likely going with the latter.

  • @Highbridge3000
    @Highbridge3000 3 года назад +1

    Great comparison of exhaust sounds! Thank you!

  • @dustytriumph
    @dustytriumph 3 года назад +3

    This was a perfect comparison video.
    I'm on a 500SE with a Falcon Double Groove. It runs parallel to the ground and sounds and looks fantastic. Comes with removable baffle. I assume there will be one for the 1100 as well as one from Miller which was really my first choice but I ran into excessive add-on costs coming from Germany so I cancelled that order. Hopefully if and when I get the 1100 both will be available for it.

    • @At3nT
      @At3nT 3 года назад

      Hey! I have a 500SE too with the stock exhaust and I want to change it. Would you be kind to make a video in your youtube account, with your exhaust. Would love to hear how it sounds

    • @dustytriumph
      @dustytriumph 3 года назад +1

      @@At3nT There are a couple vids here on YT that show a Rebel 500 with Falcon Double groove exhaust. You might search that. But definitely check out "A Young Oldtimer". He has an unboxing, installation and sound checks of stock, Falcon with baffle and without that does a pretty good job of capturing what the exhaust sounds like but in person the sound of it with and without baffle is beefier. You should jump to around 9:30 to just hear the exhaust comparisons skipping the install. He also has another vid he did later with drive by's but I don't think they fully capture it the power and volume of the sound but it is done well. These 2 vids really helped sell me. Videos are tough to get a true sense and sound of an exhaust. I couldn't do any better and my bike is put away for winter anyway. Check out Miller exhaust for the Rebel 500 as well. That's the exhaust I really wanted as noted above. No regrets about getting the Falcon tho. I love how it sounds without the baffle but it has gotten too loud for me so I have drilled holes in the baffle as an in between. Still ride sometimes w/o the baffle.
      You may also want to search here for Scorpion exhaust. Mark Pulling did a review of the 500 that had a Scorpion on it that sounded fantastic. But holy S**t! I just found a fantastic vid from BR-Performance TV with a Scorpion exhaust! Damn.....if that vid was out when I was shopping I really might have gotten that exhaust. Good luck and ride safe.

  • @Nobody313
    @Nobody313 4 месяца назад

    Yours was the best. Sounds incredible, aslo I'm a little dissapointed with the vince & Hines

  • @InfiniteMusicLive
    @InfiniteMusicLive Год назад

    i just got in the market for a Rebel 1100 and its gotta be the Shorty GP for me. Its just mean. First time buyer by the way

  • @jasonwilson9644
    @jasonwilson9644 2 года назад +1

    That GP shorty sounds Amazing. And that price is insanely good 😃😃😃.

  • @HJuice23
    @HJuice23 3 года назад +5

    Who’s bike has the shorty GP? I’d like to see more of the Rebel 1100 with that particular exhaust, it’s the loudest & price point is sweet!

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +2

      Check the description of the video to see the install/review video I did when I ran the Shorty GP! I loved it when I had it, and have a few different videos on the channel from when I was rocking it! I had it on from like March to June-ish.

    • @michaelbwollman
      @michaelbwollman 3 года назад

      @@LifeOfBurch I have it on mine as a temporary change to the stock bc of your video convincing me. It's pretty damn amazing, but I would like the two bros.

    • @Dirtydan3187
      @Dirtydan3187 3 года назад

      I know you said it was one of the louder ones, do you think it’s too loud? Love the sound of it in the video.

    • @kharonmarq3581
      @kharonmarq3581 3 года назад

      A small canister may not sound good this is a scam. Find a large trumpet for deep bass sound.

  • @ericy1005
    @ericy1005 Год назад

    The Coffman Thunder (not in this video) sounds great with noise suppressor removed. It sounds good with the noise suppressor too...just a little better without.

  • @apexroadrash8153
    @apexroadrash8153 9 месяцев назад

    Any of these have a tuner? My biggest worry. Shorty gp made my 1100 not run too good, now have the coffmans thunder and back pressure from it helps but still think it needs a tune

  • @Tay675
    @Tay675 3 года назад +5

    vance and hines was my favorite

  • @gc6854
    @gc6854 3 года назад +6

    Waiting for the new non upsweep TwoBros. Hope the sound is same.

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +6

      They’re working on the straight back design as we speak, so fingers crossed it’ll be available very soon! 🤞🏻

    • @Duckie313
      @Duckie313 3 года назад

      I am waiting for Miller Custombike's Breaker exhaust, they say it will have same design as their Rebel 500 version, and it looks damn good in black with the slashcut endcap. So hopefully not too long before they release it.

    • @gc6854
      @gc6854 3 года назад

      @@Duckie313 If your in Europe good idea with a Miller. Listening to the sound comparison with TwoBros it doesn’t sound as good. But sound over the internet is difficult to compare.

    • @Duckie313
      @Duckie313 3 года назад

      @@gc6854 Miller will come with 3 options, California / Euro 5 street legal baffle, "racing" baffle and no baffle. So You can choose the level of "noise" you want. I will go with the racing baffle, but have a street legal baffle at hand in case I am stopped by the police and have to bring it up to code. Loud exhaust very much illegal where I live... I am mostly after the look anyways, so even if it is street legal, I at least get rid of the huge original can. ;)

    • @gc6854
      @gc6854 3 года назад

      @@Duckie313 sounds excellent Enjoy

  • @yipman214
    @yipman214 Год назад

    Can you fit a parallel set up to it; exhausts from both sides of the bike like a triumph street twin?

  • @ron311
    @ron311 3 года назад +1

    I can always find good content here so thanks and keep it up. Picked up my batwing fairing and accessories for my DCT 1100 yesterday after 9 months of waiting. Looks time consuming to install. Wish me luck✌🏾

  • @trevorhowell2258
    @trevorhowell2258 10 месяцев назад

    Quick question. I just replaced my stock for the shorty gp and love it, but is there any way to remove the bracket the old exhaust was bolted to? Just not a fan of it sticking out and probably not gonna use it for anything

  • @LinkFelton
    @LinkFelton 3 года назад +3

    Great video! Definitely feeling the Two brothers now. But gonna wait for there straight back design. Need my bags lol

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +1

      Agreed! I LOVE my TBR! They’re working on the straight back design as we speak, so hopefully it won’t be long before it’s available 🤘🏻

  • @dubiousricardo
    @dubiousricardo 2 года назад

    Well sorted video! Very informative and great comparison. Nice one!

  • @LizardMane
    @LizardMane 2 года назад

    Can you get rid of the speed governor?

  • @warparker8554
    @warparker8554 2 года назад

    Any need for fuel injection remap, or power commander, or anything like that for these slip-ons?

  • @sukie475
    @sukie475 3 года назад +1

    I want that long sissy bar! Where did they get it!?

  • @rickandersen707
    @rickandersen707 3 года назад

    G'day from Australia.....thinking of purchasing a Rebel 1100.....I'm 182 cms tall.....112 kgs.....have sat on a Rebel 500 and simply don't fit....do you know of any manufacturer building forward controls for the 1100....I'd most definitely neeed them....thanks mate

  • @roadrunner4527
    @roadrunner4527 6 месяцев назад

    I ordered and shorty gp to save a buck. It hasn’t arrived yet and I found a private seller selling a two brothers racing exhaust for a reasonable price.. not sure what I should do. Can somebody give me some advice?

  • @1karolj
    @1karolj 2 года назад

    I just ordered the SC PROJECT MOTOGP EXHAUST for my 1100...before seeing your video...darn it! Have you heard of these by chance?

  • @nightrider7703
    @nightrider7703 3 года назад

    Birch any plans on putting white walled wheels for your rebel to make it classic

  • @ThePulzeGamer
    @ThePulzeGamer 2 года назад +1

    Man the Shorty GP just sounds so mean. Ill defiantly have to be putting that on mine

  • @345_blk2
    @345_blk2 3 года назад

    Great video 💪🏿 keep it going brotha

  • @firewolf171
    @firewolf171 Год назад

    @lifeofburch Do you know if both the Low and High exhaust mounts from Two Brothers give the same sound?

  • @JWard2
    @JWard2 2 года назад +1

    Why add one? Couldn't we just remove the stock pipe and run it as is?

  • @crystianleoreyes2577
    @crystianleoreyes2577 3 года назад

    I have the dct 1100 can I put a shorty gp exaust on and not have to worry about any engine problems ? I just want to have something a little louder until i can get the two brothers exaust .

  • @uerti4013
    @uerti4013 9 месяцев назад

    Ciao. Con il Coffman’s occorre modificare la centralina oppure il otore gira regolarmente?

  • @p.romvig4202
    @p.romvig4202 2 года назад

    I love my 2021 cb but would love to cb1000r engine swap a rebel 1100 and build a power cruiser..

  • @ericspiegel3276
    @ericspiegel3276 3 года назад

    I think the Coffman’s shorty exhaust also had the baffle in it? Wonder what it would have sounded like with the baffle removed (maybe more like the shorty gp?)

  • @mariainoa4674
    @mariainoa4674 Год назад

    Does have the two brothers exhaust interfere with the passenger foot pegs when having someone on the back? from your experience

  • @simplethingsinlife75
    @simplethingsinlife75 2 года назад

    you should do a video on Noy Custom Big Shots Staggered Full System for the rebel 1100 I think you and Evey body else will love it.

  • @thewantonboys
    @thewantonboys 3 года назад

    Great job as usual Burch..

  • @paintwesley
    @paintwesley Год назад

    Radiant shorty gp the whole way brother that's a Beast of a sound

  • @joekay1825
    @joekay1825 2 года назад +2

    Love your videos, but what about decibels on each exhaust?

  • @elwood62
    @elwood62 2 года назад +1

    They all sound pretty good. I think a lot will come down to price. I heard on a podcast the other day that aftermarket exhausts can reduce the power of a bike, especially with the baffles taken out. Ever notice a difference?

    • @IRQ1Conflict
      @IRQ1Conflict 2 года назад +2

      That's why your supposed to tune it after you get an exhaust.

  • @normanwilliams1070
    @normanwilliams1070 3 года назад

    LifeofBurch do you have a link for the windshield on the bike with the Coffman’s exhaust on it ?

  • @jorre4478
    @jorre4478 2 года назад

    Great vid Burch, I am also looking for a nice exhaust... But... I think I will wait for other models.

  • @Gifti1234
    @Gifti1234 Год назад

    What about the dB(A) value ?

  • @jasonbriery6526
    @jasonbriery6526 2 года назад

    I'm looking for an exhaust for my 2021 rebel 1100 dct. Did he have to put a programmer on the Shorty GP?

  • @rosej4173
    @rosej4173 2 года назад

    Awesome video!! What kind of saddle bags are on second bike with shorty exhaust?

  • @nelsonsilva6842
    @nelsonsilva6842 Год назад +1

    Man everyone knows this should be done under load/moving!
    At idle and under load the sound is never the same!

  • @mikeharfield5512
    @mikeharfield5512 3 года назад

    Hi does the rebel 500 slip on exhaust fit the 1100

  • @huntertank90
    @huntertank90 3 года назад +3

    Vance and Hines sounds the best!

  • @jrat42
    @jrat42 2 года назад

    thank you for doing this video! Huge help!

  • @losparceritos
    @losparceritos Год назад

    Does anyone know which one is the loudest? Im trying to decide which one to buy

  • @susiegirl0799
    @susiegirl0799 11 месяцев назад

    Is the TBR straight out of the box or did you take the baffle out?

  • @connorstokes4441
    @connorstokes4441 3 года назад

    how many decibels is the radiant and coffmans exhaust? I can’t find it listed anywhere online.

  • @sammyiam0725
    @sammyiam0725 2 года назад

    Bro can you tell me what’s the 0-60 and top speed on this bike ? Trying to find something with good torque before I make a choice.

  • @punka1944
    @punka1944 3 года назад +1

    Loved the video. Much needed comparison. Does anyone know where I can find the long sissy bar (or a similar style) that's on the 2nd 1100?

    • @EpitomePax
      @EpitomePax 2 года назад +1

      If you didn’t already answer your question yourself, ‘Burly Brand’ is what you’re looking for! 🤘🏽

  • @Paronic
    @Paronic 2 года назад

    I know this is a old video but would these sound like on the DCt version of the bike?

  • @JimmyTwoShoes94
    @JimmyTwoShoes94 Год назад

    Does the shorty gp fit on both the 500 and 1100?

  • @ronniepollock1104
    @ronniepollock1104 2 года назад

    Sorry if this has been asked before but do you need to get the engine retuned to use one of these?

  • @BayStateFishing
    @BayStateFishing Год назад

    Does anybody have any experience with Leo vince? I can’t decide between the Vance and Hines or Leo vince for my rebel 500

  • @macco777
    @macco777 Год назад

    Can someone get a dyno graph for these and see what you are loosing/gaining?

  • @LouieBooker
    @LouieBooker 2 года назад +1

    G'day from Australia, your videos have been amazing to watch and ultimately convinced me to sell my 500 and get the 1100.
    I'm leaning towards a TBR exhaust for it as that is what I have on my crf450x and it is awesome! On my 500 I had an arrow exhaust as that's all that was available at the time in Aus. Did you also get a tune with it or just whack it on and send it?

  • @flesz_
    @flesz_ Год назад

    Is it easy enough to replace the exhaust ?

  • @Wong0ne
    @Wong0ne 4 месяца назад

    do you need a tune with the shorty gp?

  • @carlobighouse5434
    @carlobighouse5434 3 года назад +3

    Anyone else like the Coffmans best? Sounded like a damn dragon!

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +2

      It’s hard to tell from the audio, but it’s actually much quieter in real life than I expected! I ranked them from loudest to most quiet in the pinned comment 🤘🏻

  • @Littleluirui
    @Littleluirui 3 года назад

    Went to get my Rebel yesterday but they only had the DCT model. So now I gotta wait longer till I get what I really want 😔

  • @Aven_Staven
    @Aven_Staven Год назад

    Hope Vance & Hines makes a lowered version someday like Two Brothers. Love how it sounds and it looks, but I want bags too. Also the Touring exhaust they make looks to long on the non-touring in my opinion

  • @ericcaissie9137
    @ericcaissie9137 3 года назад

    Anyone know if they make a louder exhaust that looks closer to the stock one?

  • @grndzro777
    @grndzro777 3 года назад +1

    If anyone is doubting the 1100 craze at this point just show them this video :)

  • @heathroehr1278
    @heathroehr1278 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video, thanks for all of the info you provide! Random question - do you know what model of windscreens are on the second and third bikes in this video?

    • @LifeOfBurch
      @LifeOfBurch  3 года назад +2

      Thanks man! One of them is the Daytona Blaster screen and I believe the other is a Puig. Two of the bikes had the Puig.

  • @lilya9174
    @lilya9174 2 года назад

    Wish you had a 500 comparison

  • @JIMBOBALOU
    @JIMBOBALOU 2 года назад +1

    Vance and Hines. Only one that doesn't have that crappy backfire popping going on

  • @JackDespero
    @JackDespero 9 месяцев назад +1

    Are they all legal?

  • @manosmilonakis6056
    @manosmilonakis6056 3 года назад

    What kind of windshields are you running on the stock one and shorty gp one ?

  • @SlingKing2015
    @SlingKing2015 2 года назад +1

    Great useful vid. I'd go with the shorty.