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I just came out of a cult. It was in a hair salon where the owner demanded everyone to be loyal while he exploited us with long hours, terrible pay, no breaks or a lunch hour. He is very talented, attractive, charismatic and extremely controlling. The salon is very high-end and has a very pretentious clientele. My cortisol levels got very high and I started to gain weight, lose hair and now have other health issues. The weird thing is… that the grooming happened quite slowly. The younger stylists hold on to his every word and run into his office to kiss the ring like he is some kind of a God. I had no time to exercise because my sleep was disturbed and I was so tired when I got home that I even stopped flossing. These people use coercive control and the chronic stress plus the lack of sleep breaks you down. It is SO TOXIC!!!
So sorry you went through this just trying to earn a living.💙 He sounds like my narc ex with the same tactics, especially chronic sleep disruption. I felt guilty if I wasn't busy doing something when he was around. Coercive control and subtle, slow death of the target's soul. He had no empathy for any pain I felt. 😡🤦🏽♀️ So glad I got out!❤️🩹💜💜
Shocking and of course no unions etc. you did the right thing to get away. That goes on I imagine in film, theatre, modelling too. In other areas including unionised labour they can create all sorts of tiers and allow bullying and be behind a whole lot of secret- covert bullying.
Where was this man when I was coming out of my “faith “ of 42 years and started dating after a 22 year marriage? I have been in a cult of millions and a cult of 1 person. Thank God I learned to listen to that voice inside that is really God within and wants me to be free. Thank you Lisa!
Amazing, I needed this.. I was in the Jehova’s Witness cult…. It really messed with my head and I suffered on a mental and emotional level and I didnt know why until I spoke to a therapist
@@Girlwithapurse03 I'm so sorry to hear this girl. We compare victimology of narcissistic abusive intimate partnerships, or scapegoat family Dynamics identical to cult dynamic of abuse. It takes us years to deprogram off of the damage that's been done in that kind of atmosphere with the cult leader AKA narcissistic psychopath, and the cult followers AKA friends family in-laws and associates thereof. I validate you and I'm here to remind you that you're a badass. You are beautiful and lovable and intelligent and capable and don't ever forget you're beautiful worth!!!
That question Jesus couldn’t answer has nothing to do with what you’re portraying. .theBible y u says there is only one faith , one baptism. And if they are to be in agreement they all have to be learning the same thing and believe the same thing. Make it make sense. There is a truth. And only the truth set you from the lies and superstitions.
I've made a promise to myself after I survived abusive manipulative, toxic parents. I will avoid these types of people: People who attempt to take autonomy away from me. Try to make me believe that I can not help myself and that I am incapable. Expect from me to give up my individuality and surrender or be submissive without question, - indefinitely. Making me believe that I am indebted to them or owe them my possessions or life. Creating an immense fear that I am doomed for eternity if I do not conform to a certain believe system.
There are rules for thee but not for the narcissists. They will tell you to stop socializing with so and so and if you disobey, they will claim you've betrayed them for associating someone they hate. However, if you bring up the slightest criticism about any of their friends: "HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF MY FRIEND!" Even if their friend is an obviously horrible person, they will take any criticism as a personal attack. The narcissist will also claim you're being controlling if you tell them you do like one of their friends and suggest they not associate with them. But they will try to micromanage your relationships because they know better.
OMG that sounds like my husband's family. Everyone knew his mother was a functioning alcoholic and yet she was the leader of the family. She was absolutely ridiculous but typically what she said and thought governed the entire family. We all walked on eggshells around her. She domineered all the major holidays and got visibly upset of I wanted to spend time with my family for the holidays. I was also very blinded by my husband. He made me focus on his mother as the problem. Meanwhile, telling me neither he nor his mother were to blame for their behavior. His mother because he always blamed the alcohol and him due to his faulty memory and learning disorders. These people are insane and it seems like since my husband's mother died, he and his sister have taken on their mother's demons and slightly more of her behavior. It's frightening.
Really cant handle being around alcohol nowadays due to all the alcoholics and their cray antics (and they "forget" bc they've blacked out so much) I've had to deal with. All the DUI car crash fatalities also makes me anxious driving now ... crazy you can get a 12 pk of beer at the gas station
Oh wow love how incredibly well this man explains exactly what I have been trying to get across to people in regard to my relationship and marriage to my husband and the way he brainwashed our children. As well as a relationship with a narcissist. I feel completely seen.
ALSO look out for those sons of cult leaders. my exs mom had a church cult (christian cult) and I always saw him as a victim but it turns out it was covert narcissisim and as soon as we started doing things like spending days togther, cooking together...mainly anything outside dates, he became SHOCKINGLY AND SMOOTHLY abusive. It was his second nature.
THIS!!! Im so sorry you went through that too. My abusive ex's father was a cult leader who "dissapeared" and has assumed to have murdered his girlfriend, daughter (my exs half sister) and himself in the outback. I was with my ex for 2 years and he abused me to where I couldn't sleep/ eat due to being constantly in survival mode.. it's taken another 2 years to get the ability to properly eat and sleep back. He would play the victim and beg me not to go every time I tried to leave. Covert narcissism (and bipolar) with a sociopathic side, I thought he was going to kill me in the middle of the bush after he abused me and left me out there with no reception, his maniac smile and cold empty eyes getting joy out of watching me be so helpless and losing all my power to him said it all.
Yes, SMOOTHLY abusive. That’s the word! My sister‘s boyfriend is liek that. He flies under the radar, because everyone finds him so calm and nice. He‘s also very kind to my sister. But to me, he shows a different face. I look kind and gentle. That’s why he thought, he can act out on me. I proved him wrong by immediately putting him back in his place. He managed to make my sister and her daughter believe that i am an aggressive person and overreact. Thankfully, my parents believe me, because they connect all the dots: my sister is domineering and he subordinates to her, because he loves her, doesn’t seem to mind, because he’s always calm and quiet. Now this story has twisted for my parents: he seems like a ticking time bomb for them now, someone, who doesn’t voice his opinion, but eats up his anger and takes it out on peoplelike me, who he mistook for weak (obviously, he thought gentle = defenseless). They’re kind of proud that i gave him a lesson: people, who, appear gentle, can kick your ass, when you cross their limits.
My abusive wasband’s father was a “minister”. He was a very skilled and very educated on all of these tactics and at 21 years old- had no idea who i was really marrying and did all of these tactics. When you begin to wake up to what is going on- people to know that you do not ever confront them but make plans quietly to get out if you can. If they think they are losing control of you- your life will become a living hell. The amount of recovery needed from this is unsurmountable. We need recovery centers for this abuse
I have a close friend who works for the largest Uni in AZ. He is required to attend these meetings with the director of culture where he has a very similar experience described here
Came to watch this as a survivor of abusive relationships. As an Ex-Mormon, my alarms went off with so many things he said. After I left, I realized it was a cult. This only validated all of my cult points about the Mormon church. The old 15 men in suits who run the cult (Prophet and Apostles) love to say “Doubt your Doubts”; ‘Don’t question church leaders even if they are wrong!”; told to “Stay in the boat”-don’t wander astray; always told not to hang out with people who didn’t believe like you (Utah REALLY used to be very cliquish); still practice polygamy in that men can be Sealed to more than one woman in the Temple. It goes on & on.
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This is good info My ex has these characteristic traits He has re-married twice I stay away and my adult children are aware and do not fall for his shenanigans He would say you’re negative and a nag and this is what he would say to our circle of friends b/c I spoke of the issues and facts they thoughts were she’s negative but I was crying for help and support and he presented himself well Everyone was duped Now everyone knows different since I was able to divorce and recover
My husband and his family and friends too (except for his oldest sister), he brainwashed our two children, thankfully my son is beginning to see the truth. This man gives me so much validation, as I’ve been trying to explain this for years.
I happened to see this I worked for a well known insurance company that displayed many of the behaviors described. I learned a valuable lesson but pray others learn before they take a loss … good stuff thanks for sharing
Right a lot of southern baptists say if you do not ask to be “ saved “ and accept Jesus Christ as your savior in front of the church congregation then you will not “go to heaven “.
The reason that victims don’t come forward is simply that nobody believes that these crimes happened to them as they sound so crazy that people just label the victims insane themselves, especially police. And most people will actually be as stupid to go back to the cult and confront them hoping to get an honest response, resulting in converting the victim into the cults #1 target and which then mostly will get the actual victim k🔪lled by the cult members or a 3rd person who could be influenced by some lies they made up about the victim that seem to be true but aren’t. So as long as people aren’t thinking as individuals but as part of a seemingly higher groupthink mindset, they will easily be converted into unempathetic even ice cold psychopaths as this is the outcome of every single group out there that places the leader above the individuals to make them better in something or as someone in the underhand exchange of their own personality. (This behavior is the exact behavior that all Cluster B people use to gain narcissistic supply or in other words „human energy sources“ as their life batteries… the more the better for them. Please educate yourselves about this topic through people working in the field here on YT even if there NPDs themselves and not any random victims of NPD abuse. Then you’re able to save lives out there. Soo many people are victims of their abuse, you wouldn’t believe it. 🥺
Hey Lisa girl, thank you another badass interview. Sadly, his opening statements about questioning a leader when you feel they're wrong, and you get attacked either by him or the other people in the group, is what I see everywhere on social media. I have finance n investment patreon groups I belong to like that w "teachers". Ive had so called world renowned leading dating coaches like that in masters classes. I have astrology apps w like that, where the group think is dangerous if you disagree with one of the "leaders". I even see it in different RUclips channels content creators when you disagree or ask a question that may contradict the content. It's come to a point where you have to be so careful what you say online nowadays. Who you talk to nowadays. What groups you belong to nowadays. Because what he's describing is not only found in domestic abuse with intimate partnerships and their cult like families.... But you find it all over social media groups and apps. Even down to your neighborhood and community Social Services human resources, and political, and judicial groups. Cult like leaders are infiltrating the fabric of every institution across the globe. And that's just the reality of the situation.
I agree. Social media encourages and rewards people's narcissistic behavior, and submission to the delusions of narcissists. And cultural narcissism can and does operate in every kind of social group. It's terrifying.
Love this podcast, well explained and detailed. Thanksm goodness I have recovered from 25 years of spiritual abuse from a church/sect that my parents were the leaders of. All that was said here is just accurate. Will save this video for future reference.
I was almost caught by est, but my husband and mother sat me down and told me there was a problem and to get out and not take any more seminars. Luckily, I listened to them!! Going along with a group and being forced to eat and do bathroom breaks on someone else's schedule is way too easy!! Mu husband's persuaded me try that seminar!! Took her another 7 years to get out, as well as alot of money!!❤️🐉💙💙🌈🌈😎😎
I was invited over to Werner Earhard's home 3 times. After watching him go berserk at his house staff, I confronted him and quit est. What an evil group!!!
First I thought they’re jealous then when I faced the truth I was embarrassed when I realized he was living another life it was over on his terms I was able to flee with my children but when I strategically became free got the lawyer family support one step from freedom and his mother pulled me back only to endure more heartache not because of real love but because of finances and survival So sad Me and my adult children are doing fine now
Hahaha my mom, the leader that no one can question. It’s so sad how my brother and sister crumble to her and remain silent when she is doing damage to the family and even to herself. Her mom before that.
This is my immediate family. I was the only girl that my parents had, and the oldest; so was the lucky one that was singled out for all these control tactics plus many other abuses. They destroyed me in so many ways but have zero concern for doing so….
Absolutely tremendous, Thank you so much to you both for this, It's always wise to be aware of the tactics and learn as much as you can, The bite model, Behaviour, information, thought and emotional control, NLP too, There is so much to it, And I'm glad I study what I study, Knowledge is power :-) Peace, love and respect to you both and everyone, Thank you universe, All glory, Praise and smiles to the most high :-)
Right a lot of southern baptists say if you do not ask to be “ saved “ and accept Jesus Christ as your savior in front of the church congregation then you will “ go to hell “.
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You are so sweet and kind to give me advice and I really feel and appreciate it. I do think my extensions are hurting it so I’ve cut back on that. Unfortunately though I’ve had massive gut issues for 9 years now and it’s very hard for me to eat too much so I e had problems putting on weight because of it. I do try to eat good food though and am working on it. Also I am 45 years old my specialist has pointed out that I’m going through a hormonal change too. Thanks again for being so sweet! 😍
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A guy I was so into and thought he was enlightened and was looking at him the way this guy describes… I later discovered was just a narcissist :( He became extremely verbally and emotionally abusive when I started saying no to what he wanted. Luckily I was no physically by him but the scary thing is that I even considered the crazy, controlling demands he stared making… I am very lucky I got away from him. He was so incredibly hard emotionally. The trauma bond was very very strong in a short period of time. He creeped me how one time before it turned bad when he mentioned the term grooming… I was wondering why he even knew that term since he was from India…. That and he said a few times that maybe he would end of being a famous guru. That country is FULL of narcissistic cult leaders abusing people under the guise of spiritual leaders. He may be famous one day or have some following but I sure hope not.
Great conversation, thank you. I definitely disagree with the speaker about Christianity. I think it’s clearly a cult and I suspect that your very kind, very knowledgeable and thoughtful guest is not applying the same standards to Christianity. He seems to have a blind spot and is protective of his own beliefs. I mean this respectfully and sincerely.
When you are vulnerable because you hate yourself so much and want to take your own life and see no meaning in anything anymore that’s when you should be keen about people’s words and their true intentions. Jehovah, Mormon, Scientology, Lutheran, Catholic. All these different people coming to me while I was walking alone and depressed as a child from school to my home. I’m angry I didn’t do more to tell them off but I wasn’t listened to much at my home or school so the small attention was nice. And I was kind to them. I didn’t understand at the time why these random people picked on me to talk with but I know now I was just very open very over sharing of my feelings and my words to them. And they gave me exactly what I wanted to hear. I don’t know why it didn’t work on me but I asked them so many questions about their faith at the time I didn’t like much but I enjoyed Buddhism and asked them why their religion and not another. And their own words fumbled when I asked more and more questions. As a South Park fan, I think I really got the Mormon and the Scientology group bent when I questioned about those things to them and I was just a kid so I could tell they were upset. I’ve had many different people tell me about how I should just join into a church to find meaning in life. I tried and wasn’t too hard pressed in the meaning. Even remember how the online had weird adverts for me. as an add telling me if I’d give up now then might as well give up for a good cause by joining the military. These types of adds online were given to me at my lowest when I was 11 years old and inside online forums back then that probably picked up on my search cookies about finding ways to end it. That type of manipulation by advertisers, government, church. It preys on those with a weak drive like my own. I don’t believe I was mindful about it at the time. I still wanted to play my video games and that’s what helped push me to stay around longer because I was just a kid still and Kingdom Hearts and anime were the things keeping me grounded. Lol ain’t that funny? Now I stay alive for my parents and my partner’s well being. That’s what matters right now while I’m still lost and struggling to stop those intrusive thoughts. I have to really stop myself when I’m walking alone while watching videos on RUclips. I’m a prime person for a cult to sink their claws into and I know I am. I’m an idiot for most of the day, but at least I know how predatory people can be with very miserable idiots like me. Be careful out there. People are not your friend when they ask you to give up things you enjoy and love. For me, it’s still video games and still family that keep me grounded. It would be logical for me to pull my own plug. But I don’t.
Also rereading my own dumb comment; I’m laughing super hard at the fact I’m talking about KH was like a reason for me to continue living because I wanted to play the next game! I am ridiculous sometimes. lol Though it’s true. 😂
yes many AA groups turn into mini cults. When I was getting my SUPD-t, I never fully entered the field after finishing my counseling degree because these "sober saviors" aka people who "beat" addiction and then become rehab counselors (because many states are set up in a way that funding creates this pipeline of addict to rehab counselor) always seem to still be actively addicts who love lording over addicts who haven't tricked the system yet. They lead these sobriety groups, treat anyone who breaks their rules or stands up against their hypocrisy as a social pariah, and it goes to their heads. They will seriously kick someone out of what is often their only existing friend group in sobriety for missing a meeting or saying something "wrong" but then do a drug deal in the back or do some K in their car and pass out for a while before their addiction studies class starts et cetera. I could not ethically agree to go into the business of rehab counseling knowing more than half of my coworkers would be hiding active addiction. hope my words make sense wishing all a safe day❤
I think its hard to discern lack of empathy when you are in these situations. In many, if not most cases the empathy that you are due is being wtihheld because your toxic person has spin-doctored reality to shift the blame of whatever issue you are having to either be your fault, and will completely invalidate whatever loss you experienced. If your narc was screaming at you and causing a huge emotional Hiroshima before 8am and you went and got into a fender bender on the way to work because you were so upset, this will ultimately be an embarrassment to them and reason for them to leave the relationship (temporarily) because you are just so inept. How could you be so stupid? Didnt you see the brake lights in front of you? I should've known you would go and do something stupid like that to screw up my budget. I just can't carry your dead weight anymore. Or say, your parent dies and you tell your partner you need to make final arrangements, batten down the hatches because this is when the toxic person will breadcrumb evidence of an affair, pick a fight on the day of the funeral, have a bad attitude and give the silent treatment and claim you neglected them, spend all the necessary travel money on sugar babies and then when your card gets declined at the airport on the way to the funeral, they will toss out some extra loud horrible comment about your accounting skills and how you are always so unreliable. Then once you arent able to attend because your account is $1,000 overdrawn, they will abandon you and say youre too emotional. Once you find out about the sugar babies they will justify it and say you were a horrible emotional mess and you've pushed them to finding attention elsewhere. All of these scenarios could happen on the same day and then they will dump you because they deserve better. This is doubly true if you have children, they will weaponize them as well to ruin you and then blame you for being pitiful. It actually becomes a situation where they deserve the empathy for surviving you.
I was a member if ICC married and hand kids in the church still suffering from it to this day and the irony of thinking about it while watching this and he brings it up 😂😂😂 I am so grateful to at least be out but the damage.... 24 years later.... I really wish I could help people but they let yoi know day one they are known as a cult and work hard to convince you its just because they ACTUALLY follow the bible daily so people feel they are but they arent..., Lost my relationship with my sister because I couldnt get my niece out. I dont attend any churches anymore
Im watching this cuz this is what my husband did to me. I tried to turn him in for sex trafficking but he's so in w the cops that I was beat and jailed. And just FYI, it doesn't take 30-45 minutes to brand a person or an animal. It only takes bout 10 seconds. And w a nurse? That's hilarious. so I'm real leary who to believe. Cuz he said 30-45 minutes. Nope
Well, I must be the uneducated dummy that made it all the way up through my 60s that can't be persuaded by pressure from any source, knows how to weed out the propaganda, actually speaks up where a lot of people fear to tread, and lives a very independent and satisfying life. Of, course my family always described me as a loner. That didn't persuade me to be one, but it is almost an innate trait. I always felt different because of this and I have always been suspicious of the cliques, the groups, the governing bodies. The cult tactics he describes are something that have always perked my ears when I found out very early on that I could spot them.
Faith is how the churches get people to believe what ever they say without question. Don't fall for the bull. Funny how they always need money for something
Obviously you cannot understand what this man is speaking about. Understand that you are part of the same cult Kama and Walz are a part of. It's called the Democratic elitists cult. They will be the ones running this country using the poor Democratic candidates down the primrose path. They will be worthless after this is over like Kama was worthless before they found someone like Biden who stood in line to be the pawn. She's 2nd pawn in line. She would have never won a Democratic primary and the Elite knows that but then again they are the abusive leaders. And they don't think it matters Please don't make the biggest mistake of your life by choosing these people to run your country. Kama never has never run this country in any way and she won't even if she is elected..be careful.
@@Sheekgreek1111Exactly. It’s crazy how all these people who are so against Trump (for reasons they don’t even really know) don’t realize the cult that they, themselves, are in. They need to ask themselves if they could question anything about what they’re told and taught to believe…what would happen then? 🤔
It's funny how bro knows so much about cults, and then proceeds to overlook everything he learnt about cults when it comes to Christianity and praises their cult leaders.
Christianity is not religion. The Bible is a genealogy of the Adamites and gives 759 laws God wants obeyed. Judeo-Christianity has mistakenly suggested that Jesus will "save" everyone. That is not true. Christians were admonished not to teach their beliefs to others, however the tribe Interferred and spread dogma and outright lies.
I was for a decade in a relationship like that, ended with cptsd, 2 years of 0 contact now finally feeling myself once again, thank you so much for all the information out here in the internet with channels liks yours, has helped me get out and be better :)
I was 17, he was 23, I was not in a good place, had no friends or attatchments to my family, he took advantage of that and isolated me through video games online until I moved in with him and spent a decade in Hell until I found out videos like this specially from Dr Ramani who has a lot of names to the tools they use, and finally I figured why I was not okay and that it was not my fault, I had no one to talk to but I do now :) so happy to be with the people who love me and support me, seriously just want everyone to figure that life should not be always suffering for others, you can be pain free and have your own choices :)
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people who lie, gaslight, triangulate, stonewall, unclear communication pattern, cheat, etc have a lack of empathy.
I just came out of a cult. It was in a hair salon where the owner demanded everyone to be loyal while he exploited us with long hours, terrible pay, no breaks or a lunch hour. He is very talented, attractive, charismatic and extremely controlling. The salon is very high-end and has a very pretentious clientele. My cortisol levels got very high and I started to gain weight, lose hair and now have other health issues. The weird thing is… that the grooming happened quite slowly. The younger stylists hold on to his every word and run into his office to kiss the ring like he is some kind of a God. I had no time to exercise because my sleep was disturbed and I was so tired when I got home that I even stopped flossing. These people use coercive control and the chronic stress plus the lack of sleep breaks you down. It is SO TOXIC!!!
So sorry you went through this just trying to earn a living.💙 He sounds like my narc ex with the same tactics, especially chronic sleep disruption. I felt guilty if I wasn't busy doing something when he was around. Coercive control and subtle, slow death of the target's soul. He had no empathy for any pain I felt. 😡🤦🏽♀️ So glad I got out!❤️🩹💜💜
The grooming is always slow, otherwise you’d wake up and leave much sooner.
Shocking and of course no unions etc.
you did the right thing to get away.
That goes on I imagine in film, theatre, modelling too.
In other areas including unionised labour they can create all sorts of tiers and allow bullying and be behind a whole lot of secret- covert bullying.
“A trap is only a trap if you don't know about it. If you know about it, it's a challenge.”
― China Miéville, King Rat
Where was this man when I was coming out of my “faith “ of 42 years and started dating after a 22 year marriage? I have been in a cult of millions and a cult of 1 person. Thank God I learned to listen to that voice inside that is really God within and wants me to be free. Thank you Lisa!
Amazing, I needed this.. I was in the Jehova’s Witness cult…. It really messed with my head and I suffered on a mental and emotional level and I didnt know why until I spoke to a therapist
@@Girlwithapurse03 I'm so sorry to hear this girl. We compare victimology of narcissistic abusive intimate partnerships, or scapegoat family Dynamics identical to cult dynamic of abuse.
It takes us years to deprogram off of the damage that's been done in that kind of atmosphere with the cult leader AKA narcissistic psychopath, and the cult followers AKA friends family in-laws and associates thereof.
I validate you and I'm here to remind you that you're a badass.
You are beautiful and lovable and intelligent and capable and don't ever forget you're beautiful worth!!!
That question Jesus couldn’t answer has nothing to do with what you’re portraying. .theBible y u says there is only one faith , one baptism. And if they are to be in agreement they all have to be learning the same thing and believe the same thing. Make it make sense. There is a truth. And only the truth set you from the lies and superstitions.
I've made a promise to myself after I survived abusive manipulative, toxic parents. I will avoid these types of people: People who attempt to take autonomy away from me. Try to make me believe that I can not help myself and that I am incapable. Expect from me to give up my individuality and surrender or be submissive without question, - indefinitely. Making me believe that I am indebted to them or owe them my possessions or life. Creating an immense fear that I am doomed for eternity if I do not conform to a certain believe system.
There are rules for thee but not for the narcissists. They will tell you to stop socializing with so and so and if you disobey, they will claim you've betrayed them for associating someone they hate. However, if you bring up the slightest criticism about any of their friends: "HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF MY FRIEND!" Even if their friend is an obviously horrible person, they will take any criticism as a personal attack. The narcissist will also claim you're being controlling if you tell them you do like one of their friends and suggest they not associate with them. But they will try to micromanage your relationships because they know better.
They just want to devalue you, you are shite on their shoe
OMG that sounds like my husband's family. Everyone knew his mother was a functioning alcoholic and yet she was the leader of the family. She was absolutely ridiculous but typically what she said and thought governed the entire family.
We all walked on eggshells around her. She domineered all the major holidays and got visibly upset of I wanted to spend time with my family for the holidays.
I was also very blinded by my husband. He made me focus on his mother as the problem. Meanwhile, telling me neither he nor his mother were to blame for their behavior. His mother because he always blamed the alcohol and him due to his faulty memory and learning disorders.
These people are insane and it seems like since my husband's mother died, he and his sister have taken on their mother's demons and slightly more of her behavior. It's frightening.
Really cant handle being around alcohol nowadays due to all the alcoholics and their cray antics (and they "forget" bc they've blacked out so much) I've had to deal with. All the DUI car crash fatalities also makes me anxious driving now ... crazy you can get a 12 pk of beer at the gas station
Similar to my husband and his family.
We need to also bring awareness to and talk about Jehovah's witnesses, and Orthodox Jews in NY... Both groups have strong cult aspects.
Yess!! I suffered consequences of the Jehova’s Witness cult! It really cause confusion, emotional damage, relationship damages… it was so bad.
14:09 REPETITION. Social pressures + repetition = new group identity
Oh wow love how incredibly well this man explains exactly what I have been trying to get across to people in regard to my relationship and marriage to my husband and the way he brainwashed our children. As well as a relationship with a narcissist. I feel completely seen.
Amen !
Thank you for having this guest on, and addressing this very important and timely issue.
ALSO look out for those sons of cult leaders. my exs mom had a church cult (christian cult) and I always saw him as a victim but it turns out it was covert narcissisim and as soon as we started doing things like spending days togther, cooking together...mainly anything outside dates, he became SHOCKINGLY AND SMOOTHLY abusive. It was his second nature.
I love you, I am going through this now minus the Christian part, and thank you for making this comment ❤
THIS!!! Im so sorry you went through that too. My abusive ex's father was a cult leader who "dissapeared" and has assumed to have murdered his girlfriend, daughter (my exs half sister) and himself in the outback.
I was with my ex for 2 years and he abused me to where I couldn't sleep/ eat due to being constantly in survival mode.. it's taken another 2 years to get the ability to properly eat and sleep back. He would play the victim and beg me not to go every time I tried to leave. Covert narcissism (and bipolar) with a sociopathic side, I thought he was going to kill me in the middle of the bush after he abused me and left me out there with no reception, his maniac smile and cold empty eyes getting joy out of watching me be so helpless and losing all my power to him said it all.
Yes, SMOOTHLY abusive. That’s the word!
My sister‘s boyfriend is liek that. He flies under the radar, because everyone finds him so calm and nice. He‘s also very kind to my sister.
But to me, he shows a different face. I look kind and gentle. That’s why he thought, he can act out on me. I proved him wrong by immediately putting him back in his place. He managed to make my sister and her daughter believe that i am an aggressive person and overreact.
Thankfully, my parents believe me, because they connect all the dots: my sister is domineering and he subordinates to her, because he loves her, doesn’t seem to mind, because he’s always calm and quiet. Now this story has twisted for my parents: he seems like a ticking time bomb for them now, someone, who doesn’t voice his opinion, but eats up his anger and takes it out on peoplelike me, who he mistook for weak (obviously, he thought gentle = defenseless). They’re kind of proud that i gave him a lesson: people, who, appear gentle, can kick your ass, when you cross their limits.
My abusive wasband’s father was a “minister”. He was a very skilled and very educated on all of these tactics and at 21 years old- had no idea who i was really marrying and did all of these tactics. When you begin to wake up to what is going on- people to know that you do not ever confront them but make plans quietly to get out if you can. If they think they are losing control of you- your life will become a living hell. The amount of recovery needed from this is unsurmountable. We need recovery centers for this abuse
Be aware of on-line cults.
Be aware of cults in higher education.
I have a close friend who works for the largest Uni in AZ. He is required to attend these meetings with the director of culture where he has a very similar experience described here
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Came to watch this as a survivor of abusive relationships. As an Ex-Mormon, my alarms went off with so many things he said. After I left, I realized it was a cult. This only validated all of my cult points about the Mormon church. The old 15 men in suits who run the cult (Prophet and Apostles) love to say “Doubt your Doubts”; ‘Don’t question church leaders even if they are wrong!”; told to “Stay in the boat”-don’t wander astray; always told not to hang out with people who didn’t believe like you (Utah REALLY used to be very cliquish); still practice polygamy in that men can be Sealed to more than one woman in the Temple. It goes on & on.
Thank you Lisa for that wonderful information! I really appreciate your time and curiosity to make this kind of work/knowledge available to all of us. 🤗
I love how you dive right in on the topic
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Thank you for educating the public about these kind of disorders...
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Coercive control is their favourite control tactic.
This kind of control after a certain amount of time changes brain chemistry!
EXACTLY, like childhood trauma, DV, brainwashing and Stockholm syndrome.
Yes- you are not alone from childhood abuse to DV and it is all
brain washing. The more you resist the harder they work. ❤️🩹
This is good info
My ex has these characteristic traits
He has re-married twice
I stay away and my adult children are aware and do not fall for his shenanigans
He would say you’re negative and a nag and this is what he would say to our circle of friends b/c I spoke of the issues and facts they thoughts were she’s negative but I was crying for help and support and he presented himself well Everyone was duped
Now everyone knows different since I was able to divorce and recover
My husband and his family and friends too (except for his oldest sister), he brainwashed our two children, thankfully my son is beginning to see the truth. This man gives me so much validation, as I’ve been trying to explain this for years.
No one has the power to control what makes you happy, only you can make you ha,pay, YOU CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY, or SAD
This is such an important video. Thank you for hosting this guest so well. I learned a lot.
Thank you for letting this man speak. His english was very easy to understand 👍
I happened to see this I worked for a well known insurance company that displayed many of the behaviors described. I learned a valuable lesson but pray others learn before they take a loss … good stuff thanks for sharing
Right a lot of southern baptists say if you do not ask to be “ saved “ and accept Jesus Christ as your savior in front of the church congregation then you will not “go to heaven “.
The reason that victims don’t come forward is simply that nobody believes that these crimes happened to them as they sound so crazy that people just label the victims insane themselves, especially police. And most people will actually be as stupid to go back to the cult and confront them hoping to get an honest response, resulting in converting the victim into the cults #1 target and which then mostly will get the actual victim k🔪lled by the cult members or a 3rd person who could be influenced by some lies they made up about the victim that seem to be true but aren’t. So as long as people aren’t thinking as individuals but as part of a seemingly higher groupthink mindset, they will easily be converted into unempathetic even ice cold psychopaths as this is the outcome of every single group out there that places the leader above the individuals to make them better in something or as someone in the underhand exchange of their own personality. (This behavior is the exact behavior that all Cluster B people use to gain narcissistic supply or in other words „human energy sources“ as their life batteries… the more the better for them. Please educate yourselves about this topic through people working in the field here on YT even if there NPDs themselves and not any random victims of NPD abuse. Then you’re able to save lives out there. Soo many people are victims of their abuse, you wouldn’t believe it. 🥺
Hey Lisa girl, thank you another badass interview.
Sadly, his opening statements about questioning a leader when you feel they're wrong, and you get attacked either by him or the other people in the group, is what I see everywhere on social media.
I have finance n investment patreon groups I belong to like that w "teachers".
Ive had so called world renowned leading dating coaches like that in masters classes.
I have astrology apps w like that, where the group think is dangerous if you disagree with one of the "leaders".
I even see it in different RUclips channels content creators when you disagree or ask a question that may contradict the content.
It's come to a point where you have to be so careful what you say online nowadays. Who you talk to nowadays.
What groups you belong to nowadays.
Because what he's describing is not only found in domestic abuse with intimate partnerships and their cult like families....
But you find it all over social media groups and apps. Even down to your neighborhood and community Social Services human resources, and political, and judicial groups.
Cult like leaders are infiltrating the fabric of every institution across the globe.
And that's just the reality of the situation.
I agree. Social media encourages and rewards people's narcissistic behavior, and submission to the delusions of narcissists. And cultural narcissism can and does operate in every kind of social group. It's terrifying.
Yes, I see this too!
Andrew Tate, another beautiful example
What Astrologists are you referring to?
Love this podcast, well explained and detailed. Thanksm goodness I have recovered from 25 years of spiritual abuse from a church/sect that my parents were the leaders of. All that was said here is just accurate. Will save this video for future reference.
I was almost caught by est, but my husband and mother sat me down and told me there was a problem and to get out and not take any more seminars. Luckily, I listened to them!!
Going along with a group and being forced to eat and do bathroom breaks on someone else's schedule is way too easy!!
Mu husband's persuaded me try that seminar!! Took her another 7 years to get out, as well as alot of money!!❤️🐉💙💙🌈🌈😎😎
I was invited over to Werner Earhard's home 3 times. After watching him go berserk at his house staff, I confronted him and quit est. What an evil group!!!
Thank you ever so much for this education and realism into this world of humanity. These are hard core truths. ❤
Thank you, Lisa! This was a great guest and I really loved your questions!
I love your show !!!
First I thought they’re jealous then when I faced the truth I was embarrassed when I realized he was living another life it was over on his terms I was able to flee with my children but when I strategically became free got the lawyer family support one step from freedom and his mother pulled me back only to endure more heartache not because of real love but because of finances and survival
So sad
Me and my adult children are doing fine now
I have seen this cult behavior play out in a yoga studio recently with the main jogi as the cult leader.
My mom was brain washed by a popular tv program recently 🙄 she passed 10 days after her second pew pew .... which she insisted on getting 😢
What do you mean by pew pew lol
Can't say they will delete it... did you get all of the pews ?
Pew pew was the solution of the vid … hint hint
What tv program? I don’t watch tv but I’m interested to know.
You need to view those programs yourself and see 👀 😉
Who teaches people to be submissive in the first place?
For me it was my parents and siblings.
School, parent(s), gender
People who will benefit from someone's submission.
Religion
Parents, pastors/priests, controlling partners. All usually require one way submission
Hahaha my mom, the leader that no one can question. It’s so sad how my brother and sister crumble to her and remain silent when she is doing damage to the family and even to herself. Her mom before that.
What a fascinating talk! And I have to ask, who else thinks DJT the babyman fits the description of a cult leader! He checks every single box.
Cultism is everywhere
This is my immediate family. I was the only girl that my parents had, and the oldest; so was the lucky one that was singled out for all these control tactics plus many other abuses. They destroyed me in so many ways but have zero concern for doing so….
Absolutely tremendous, Thank you so much to you both for this, It's always wise to be aware of the tactics and learn as much as you can, The bite model, Behaviour, information, thought and emotional control, NLP too, There is so much to it, And I'm glad I study what I study, Knowledge is power :-) Peace, love and respect to you both and everyone, Thank you universe, All glory, Praise and smiles to the most high :-)
I like how he has distinguished between true Christianity and cult like groups
Lisa my Girl! This dark hair looks so fabulous on you! 😍😍🔥🔥 Stunning!✨
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This episode was sooooooo goood!!! Thank you Lisa.
This is fantastic information. 🙏🏽
Twin Flame on line Cults
Right a lot of southern baptists say if you do not ask to be “ saved “ and accept Jesus Christ as your savior in front of the church congregation then you will “ go to hell “.
I watched your advert for a protein drink ? You say your losing your hair. Please don't take this the wrong way but, I think you have two issues. One. Your pulling the hair by putting in those side pleats. This puts strain on the roots. Second. I think you do too much exercising. You could help your body with a bit of fat. By that I mean, female curve? The female body needs it to function hormonally. Great pod casts. Great guests... 🤗
You are so sweet and kind to give me advice and I really feel and appreciate it. I do think my extensions are hurting it so I’ve cut back on that. Unfortunately though I’ve had massive gut issues for 9 years now and it’s very hard for me to eat too much so I e had problems putting on weight because of it. I do try to eat good food though and am working on it. Also I am 45 years old my specialist has pointed out that I’m going through a hormonal change too. Thanks again for being so sweet! 😍
@@LisaBilyeu I went keto many years ago now due to metabolic syndrome, stage 3b kidney disease etc etc. Overweight by about 3 stone. Within 3 months of coming off all prescribed meds , by myself, taking Dr Jason Fungs advice, I have never looked back. Weight is now permanently controlled, and all issues I had are gone. I was diabetic too. I am much older than you, (70) last week. If I had continued on the path I was on I would be telling a different story. Your age has problems hormonally as you say. Not nice. Keto allows you to eat many foods without any problems. It might work for you? Give Dr Fung a try... You never know? I think one of his famous lectures was called, The two compartment problem. .... I wish you all the best and hope you manage to sort out the issues you have. By the way, you look much younger. Love your videos. Thank you too for replying. Take care. 🤗👍
I totally agree the braiding on the side put a lot of stress on your hair roots. Give your roots on that side a break and the results will be amazing.
I'd say anyone trying to get you away from healthy support groups because family members aren't always the best support group.
A guy I was so into and thought he was enlightened and was looking at him the way this guy describes… I later discovered was just a narcissist :(
He became extremely verbally and emotionally abusive when I started saying no to what he wanted. Luckily I was no physically by him but the scary thing is that I even considered the crazy, controlling demands he stared making… I am very lucky I got away from him. He was so incredibly hard emotionally. The trauma bond was very very strong in a short period of time.
He creeped me how one time before it turned bad when he mentioned the term grooming… I was wondering why he even knew that term since he was from India…. That and he said a few times that maybe he would end of being a famous guru. That country is FULL of narcissistic cult leaders abusing people under the guise of spiritual leaders.
He may be famous one day or have some following but I sure hope not.
Great conversation, thank you.
I definitely disagree with the speaker about Christianity. I think it’s clearly a cult and I suspect that your very kind, very knowledgeable and thoughtful guest is not applying the same standards to Christianity. He seems to have a blind spot and is protective of his own beliefs. I mean this respectfully and sincerely.
This is what my mother was aiming for. She did not succeed but she did a massive amount of damage
There are cult families.
My mom is the same
When you are vulnerable because you hate yourself so much and want to take your own life and see no meaning in anything anymore that’s when you should be keen about people’s words and their true intentions.
Jehovah, Mormon, Scientology, Lutheran, Catholic. All these different people coming to me while I was walking alone and depressed as a child from school to my home. I’m angry I didn’t do more to tell them off but I wasn’t listened to much at my home or school so the small attention was nice. And I was kind to them. I didn’t understand at the time why these random people picked on me to talk with but I know now I was just very open very over sharing of my feelings and my words to them. And they gave me exactly what I wanted to hear. I don’t know why it didn’t work on me but I asked them so many questions about their faith at the time I didn’t like much but I enjoyed Buddhism and asked them why their religion and not another. And their own words fumbled when I asked more and more questions. As a South Park fan, I think I really got the Mormon and the Scientology group bent when I questioned about those things to them and I was just a kid so I could tell they were upset.
I’ve had many different people tell me about how I should just join into a church to find meaning in life. I tried and wasn’t too hard pressed in the meaning.
Even remember how the online had weird adverts for me. as an add telling me if I’d give up now then might as well give up for a good cause by joining the military. These types of adds online were given to me at my lowest when I was 11 years old and inside online forums back then that probably picked up on my search cookies about finding ways to end it. That type of manipulation by advertisers, government, church. It preys on those with a weak drive like my own. I don’t believe I was mindful about it at the time. I still wanted to play my video games and that’s what helped push me to stay around longer because I was just a kid still and Kingdom Hearts and anime were the things keeping me grounded. Lol ain’t that funny?
Now I stay alive for my parents and my partner’s well being. That’s what matters right now while I’m still lost and struggling to stop those intrusive thoughts. I have to really stop myself when I’m walking alone while watching videos on RUclips. I’m a prime person for a cult to sink their claws into and I know I am. I’m an idiot for most of the day, but at least I know how predatory people can be with very miserable idiots like me.
Be careful out there. People are not your friend when they ask you to give up things you enjoy and love. For me, it’s still video games and still family that keep me grounded. It would be logical for me to pull my own plug. But I don’t.
Also rereading my own dumb comment; I’m laughing super hard at the fact I’m talking about KH was like a reason for me to continue living because I wanted to play the next game!
I am ridiculous sometimes. lol
Though it’s true. 😂
Jesus is good… The contemporary churches worshiping him are full of dogma👹
Very informative, thank you for getting him on. I sub to you and will watch your videos 💜
Reminds me of what AA did to me
yes many AA groups turn into mini cults. When I was getting my SUPD-t, I never fully entered the field after finishing my counseling degree because these "sober saviors" aka people who "beat" addiction and then become rehab counselors (because many states are set up in a way that funding creates this pipeline of addict to rehab counselor) always seem to still be actively addicts who love lording over addicts who haven't tricked the system yet. They lead these sobriety groups, treat anyone who breaks their rules or stands up against their hypocrisy as a social pariah, and it goes to their heads. They will seriously kick someone out of what is often their only existing friend group in sobriety for missing a meeting or saying something "wrong" but then do a drug deal in the back or do some K in their car and pass out for a while before their addiction studies class starts et cetera. I could not ethically agree to go into the business of rehab counseling knowing more than half of my coworkers would be hiding active addiction. hope my words make sense wishing all a safe day❤
That's really awful. I'm sorry that predators in AA harmed you. I think predators are attracted to AA because they find vulnerable people to exploit.
Thanks 🙏🏽
So intresting 🙌
I think its hard to discern lack of empathy when you are in these situations. In many, if not most cases the empathy that you are due is being wtihheld because your toxic person has spin-doctored reality to shift the blame of whatever issue you are having to either be your fault, and will completely invalidate whatever loss you experienced. If your narc was screaming at you and causing a huge emotional Hiroshima before 8am and you went and got into a fender bender on the way to work because you were so upset, this will ultimately be an embarrassment to them and reason for them to leave the relationship (temporarily) because you are just so inept. How could you be so stupid? Didnt you see the brake lights in front of you? I should've known you would go and do something stupid like that to screw up my budget. I just can't carry your dead weight anymore. Or say, your parent dies and you tell your partner you need to make final arrangements, batten down the hatches because this is when the toxic person will breadcrumb evidence of an affair, pick a fight on the day of the funeral, have a bad attitude and give the silent treatment and claim you neglected them, spend all the necessary travel money on sugar babies and then when your card gets declined at the airport on the way to the funeral, they will toss out some extra loud horrible comment about your accounting skills and how you are always so unreliable. Then once you arent able to attend because your account is $1,000 overdrawn, they will abandon you and say youre too emotional. Once you find out about the sugar babies they will justify it and say you were a horrible emotional mess and you've pushed them to finding attention elsewhere. All of these scenarios could happen on the same day and then they will dump you because they deserve better. This is doubly true if you have children, they will weaponize them as well to ruin you and then blame you for being pitiful. It actually becomes a situation where they deserve the empathy for surviving you.
I was a member if ICC married and hand kids in the church still suffering from it to this day and the irony of thinking about it while watching this and he brings it up 😂😂😂 I am so grateful to at least be out but the damage.... 24 years later.... I really wish I could help people but they let yoi know day one they are known as a cult and work hard to convince you its just because they ACTUALLY follow the bible daily so people feel they are but they arent..., Lost my relationship with my sister because I couldnt get my niece out. I dont attend any churches anymore
Im watching this cuz this is what my husband did to me. I tried to turn him in for sex trafficking but he's so in w the cops that I was beat and jailed. And just FYI, it doesn't take 30-45 minutes to brand a person or an animal. It only takes bout 10 seconds. And w a nurse? That's hilarious. so I'm real leary who to believe. Cuz he said 30-45 minutes. Nope
Sounds like government 😅
Sounds like my mom
Who is this man, what is his name?
His name is Rick Alan Ross and I'm feeling extremely relieved, not to mention grateful, that people like him and Dr Steven Hassan exist! 🙂
Well, I must be the uneducated dummy that made it all the way up through my 60s that can't be persuaded by pressure from any source, knows how to weed out the propaganda, actually speaks up where a lot of people fear to tread, and lives a very independent and satisfying life. Of, course my family always described me as a loner. That didn't persuade me to be one, but it is almost an innate trait. I always felt different because of this and I have always been suspicious of the cliques, the groups, the governing bodies. The cult tactics he describes are something that have always perked my ears when I found out very early on that I could spot them.
Where is Lana Khilkovich?
Please, Why are Ayn Rand’s books mentioned in this interview?
Faith is how the churches get people to believe what ever they say without question. Don't fall for the bull. Funny how they always need money for something
okay so what are the warning signs? a lot of your titles are misleading
MAGA
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Glad to see someone said it. It's true.
Kamala
Jesus is not dead
He just described Trump
Obviously you cannot understand what this man is speaking about. Understand that you are part of the same cult Kama and Walz are a part of. It's called the Democratic elitists cult. They will be the ones running this country using the poor Democratic candidates down the primrose path. They will be worthless after this is over like Kama was worthless before they found someone like Biden who stood in line to be the pawn. She's 2nd pawn in line. She would have never won a Democratic primary and the Elite knows that but then again they are the abusive leaders. And they don't think it matters
Please don't make the biggest mistake of your life by choosing these people to run your country. Kama never has never run this country in any way and she won't even if she is elected..be careful.
@@Sheekgreek1111Exactly. It’s crazy how all these people who are so against Trump (for reasons they don’t even really know) don’t realize the cult that they, themselves, are in.
They need to ask themselves if they could question anything about what they’re told and taught to believe…what would happen then? 🤔
He described both sides
It's funny how bro knows so much about cults, and then proceeds to overlook everything he learnt about cults when it comes to Christianity and praises their cult leaders.
Read about Jesus's life. It is nothing like cult leaders...
Christianity is not religion. The Bible is a genealogy of the Adamites and gives 759 laws God wants obeyed. Judeo-Christianity has mistakenly suggested that Jesus will "save" everyone. That is not true. Christians were admonished not to teach their beliefs to others, however the tribe Interferred and spread dogma and outright lies.
Jesus does not force anyone to follow him..Also, he is compassion personified
Trump
I was for a decade in a relationship like that, ended with cptsd, 2 years of 0 contact now finally feeling myself once again, thank you so much for all the information out here in the internet with channels liks yours, has helped me get out and be better :)
I did not have siminars, I had World of Warcraft, we used to game for days, we did it for years, and I was the only one forced to work >.
I was 17, he was 23, I was not in a good place, had no friends or attatchments to my family, he took advantage of that and isolated me through video games online until I moved in with him and spent a decade in Hell until I found out videos like this specially from Dr Ramani who has a lot of names to the tools they use, and finally I figured why I was not okay and that it was not my fault, I had no one to talk to but I do now :) so happy to be with the people who love me and support me, seriously just want everyone to figure that life should not be always suffering for others, you can be pain free and have your own choices :)