Guys, just wanted to say that you are doing an amazing job on these videos. Really high quality material. I really like the addition of music in this one. Keep up with great work, subscribers are coming your way. Biggest car channel in making.
The ITB's are a bit more involved than I would have thought... either way, you guys have one of the best auto channels out there! I really enjoy watching the work you guys put in, the puns you dish out and the insight you give; especially with Project Basass2000 and Project Grip S14! Both are by far the most interesting and entertaining builds on the Intarwebs! Solid work guys!
If i was in the hospital and had never seen Ken before, just looking at him i wouldnt at all expect him to be building a badass fd racecar! Keep up the good work guys!
Hey guys great video as always. Just wanted to comment that AN fittings don't use teflon tape because they don't seal through the threads like NPT fittings do. They have a male flare on the tip of the fitting (and a corresponding female flare on the tip of what you're putting it into) and they seal that way. I mention this because I thought I heard you say the regulator uses AN fittings and saw you put that AN to hose barb fitting on the return line with teflon tape on there and said (not sure if this has to have teflon on) or something along those lines. Also, when using teflon, particularly teflon tape, to seal different kinds of fluids, they come color-coded based on what their use is going to be. White tape usually is not oil and fuel resistant and will deteriorate upon contact with either one. There's yellow teflon tape which I believe is the one you should use for this application.
+Arolbreaker Thanks for heads up, we replaced the teflon tape with an o-ring on the return line since after some reading up we realized that we made a boo boo.
+Speed Academy haha yeah i was gonna jump on you for the apprentice tape, but i see about 20 people already have! hehe that good ole 37 degree surface does all the work. don't ask me why it's 37*, just don't mix them up with hydraulic JIC fittings that are basically the same but have a 45* surface. also, just a heads up, the first fitting you show that lets you mate to the stock hard line is a compression fitting and the brass bit is a ferrule. keep up the good work.
Wow just discovered this channel, watched every s2000 episode since I'm a fellow s2k owner amazed with all the details/knowledge one can learn from watching your videos.... Being a mighty car mods fan I think I'm getting converted lol i can't wait to watch the rest of the episodes in your channel. Keep up the great work guys
I guess the ITB install is definitely not a half day task. Look's like a lot of thinking to get it setup right. I'm loving all the progress on BADASS2000!
It felt like waiting for this was like waiting for Netflix to release once a year! lol.. She's looking good!!! Can't wait till she's on the track again for some comparisons to the last set up.
+Kyle Tipton Oh jeez haha, we're not that bad are we? We try to release these vids as quickly as possible but the winter slows down our progress quite a bit!
Whenever I am tapping anything, I always do about 1-2 turns and a half turn back just to be safe! Love the work you guys are doing, looking to build a full fuel system for my cortina with the braided hose rather than the copper line.
Maybe it's just me but when I'm watching you guys, I don't watch a tutorial of installation of something or a vlog type of thing. I feel like I'm hanging out with my friends so, I guess, for me, up to 20-24 minutes is just right - depending on what you guys are doing of course. Looovin' it guys...loovin' it!
I'm really surprised you guys didn't go with the Hayward manifold for the Jenvey throttles. It was designed for the F2xC actually going into an S2000. No tapping of anything required. Makes installation much quicker. Also, I mounted my FPR just behind the shock tower using a small bent metal bracket using a preexisting hole.
Re: teflon tape on AN fittings - You don't use them on flare fittings, like AN fittings. They have a 37 degree flare that is responsible for the actual seal. The threads are just to apply force for the flare and the inverted flare it mates with.
The fuel pressure regulator is supposed to use o-ring fittings (ORB fittings). the teflon tape probably won't hold because the threads are straight cut, not taper cut like pipe threads are (which are designed to bottom out on each other.) also, that fitting you haven't isn't a hose barb fitting, but a GM style push lock fitting which is why you couldn't get it over the hump. but it should work fine other than not having an o-ring on it.
+eage8 Good eye, I actually noticed that AFTER I installed it but thankfully I've got a pile of o-rings at the shop and fitted one there to ensure it wont leak.
Like another poster said, no teflon on fuel lines. If you're looking to lube the fitting, you can use something called fuel lube that'll do that. The teflon will get dissolved by the fuel almost instantly upon contact. Nice video, though. Kinda takes me back to my hose-making days as an airplane mechanic. Although I never had those fancy fixtures to make the hoses. We used aluminum vice shoes (?) to avoid marring the fitting surfaces. Excellent drilling technique, BTW. Also, looks cold! How cold is it up there in Canada?
+David Cheung We're going to replace the teflon tape with an o-ring on the FPR that should seal it up! Right now, its about -10 C up here and the shop has no heating at all. It's a struggle.
+ovlraglvr Yes, there are a few things that can go bad and cause some issues but we think that having the FPR in the location where it is seems like the best spot for us.
Another great video guys. Im not the best Honda Fan, but the BADASS2000 is my favorite build. I would love to know whats the manufacturer and part number for the blue roll around table used in the last update video?
+727DARKHORSE Its a Miller Welding table: www.millerwelds.com/accessories/workstations/arcstation-s-series#!/?product-options-title=arcstation-60sx-welding-table-951170 Its a beast of a table and absolutely awesome. WE love it!
+Speed Academy Thanks guys fir the link on the welding table. My goal for this year is to work on upgrading my garage and this will make a great addition
Where you put the teflon tape on the return line off the regulator, you should have used an o-ring. At least ive run that with 75+ psi of fuel pressure under boost with no issue
Are you guys mechanics by trade? If not, where did you acquire all your mechanical knowledge. Love this BADASS2000 series by the way! Cheers from the maritimes
+Dirk Diggler We are not. We just picked up some wrenches many, many years ago and now continue to learn as we build these cars. You can do it too! Just start off with some simple tasks and before you know it you'll be swapping engines :)
so i was perusing the salon de lauto de montreal, and guess what i came upon. the famous speed academy frs! too bad you guys werent there. would have been nice to meet you!
Looking good gents! I have a question with regards to the FPR ..... Is it ok to lay it down like you did? And do u have any concerned with the serpentine belt breaking and tearing off your fuel line?
+BranVel Laying it down is completely fine from what we've been told. It's operation wont be affected at all. We've never had a belt snap before but in the instance that it did then yes this could be a liability.
So, I'm a crash safety engineer, and I guess maybe I just overthink these things some times ... but for whatever it is worth, I would not want the fuel lines running up to the radiator area like that because it would leave them more exposed to damage in an accident. Whereas if they are routed towards the rear of the car and away from the nose of the car then the engine block and other rigid components can help protect the fuel lines in an accident. It's also worth considering how some of those rigid components could smash into the lines as well, so you don't end up with pinched lines say between the firewall and the engine block (e.g. don't run the fuel line down the tranny tunnel immediately behind the engine block). Of course you can't really protect from 100% of collisions, but there are some types of collisions that are the most common because we're in vehicles doing common things. I think it's worth considering what could happen if you slid off track into a wall, smashing the front end, and if the fuel lines are located there now they are dumping fuel all over an engine hot from track laps. Personally, I would try to follow the factory fuel line routing as much as possible, even if that meant moving other components to make room for the fuel regulator. Honda has good engineers, and this is a modern car so at least that routing you can be reasonably assured that crash simulations have been performed, and the safety systems in place (bumpers/crushcans, etc.) were designed based off of these simulations. Just something to consider. I can't wait to see videos of the car running and to hear your opinions on the performance from the new setup, thanks!
+joeracer302 There are most certainly safer ways to route the fuel system but the complexity and use of excessive amounts of U and C shaped fittings to route the fuel system in a factory like manner presents its own safety issues so for the time being we'll be sticking with the setup as it is. Definitely appreciate the concern though. :)
+joeracer302 It all comes down to time management. We have so many projects and deadlines on the go that our choices are usually based on quality and installation time. To make hardlines would require a lot more effort and man hours so the AN flexible hose is the best solution for us by far at the moment.
when you are tapping are you using a npt tap. If so are you tapping just deep enough that your fitting gets tight as it goes or are you bottoming it and just Teflon taping it. A npt thread is tapered so it shouldn't be tapped to deep.
+Benjamin Ellsworth Apparently teflon tape isnt the way to go. Some paste is decent but for the most part tape isnt recommended, or so that's what we've learned.
+Benjamin Ellsworth thread sealing tape or paste is really only used on pipe threads. pipe threads together like a wedge, the more you tighten it the tighter it seals. the sealant fills in the gaps between the peaks and valleys in the thread preventing fluid from spiraling all the way out. i don't really think you'll find much pipe thread on anything past the 80's, especially on japanese stuff. those a/n fittings use a metal to metal sealing surface similar to industrial hydraulic fittings. there may also be some o-ring or flat metal surface seals as well but it's hard to tell from the video.
Videos are great guys - keep it up! I was laughing at some of the pain you had with taking the manifold off and the fuel lines - I just fitted Toda ITBs on my UK race car and it wasn't the most fun job ever :s Can you tell me what hardtop you have on the car? Looks like a Challenge one? Thanks!
+Mark B Thanks, we now know that ITB's aren't a bolt-on affair but as Im sure you can tell us, the job isn't that difficult. The hardtop is a Seibon piece. It actually fit pretty well.
Dude I wish I bought one of those Koul tool fitting clamps last time I made up AN fittings I did them in my hand and I think my flesh is still on the fitting LOL!
+Dale Engles No, it regulates the fuel pressure and then dumps the excess fuel back through the return. It can be done on the feed side as well though. We've run both configurations with good results.
Pete could you make a more in depth video on your Evo? Maybe a more in depth story and actually start it up so we can hear it! Thanks keep up the good videos really enjoying the content!
That temp sensor is going to hit the firewall pretty bad and those vacuum fittings are nicely aligned in front of the lower manifold screws. Should have checked out my pictures better Pete :P
I'm sure it's not that big of a problem, just going to be hard to reach them during the install. Compared to the stock manifold though it might not be that bad lol
+Anders W I looked at fitting the bolts today and it's going to be super tight but they should work. I think I may remove the fittings if they give me trouble. I plugged the temp sensor in and it fits when plugged in before putting the ITBs on but you're, removing it will be impossible with it on the engine!
That was supposed to be a question not a statement. Which is totally my fault. I think you're fine. The line doesn't look like it would rub. If you can't push the line into the belt when it's installed, then the tech inspector really can't say anything.
+driftshots Not necessarily. You can setup it up so that its on the feed and then has a return line running off the bottom of it. Most setups are done on the return line though.
Well, in fact it is ))) Try searching for "push lock fuel line". It's adapter for quick release connection some cars have from factory these days. here it is on Vibrant web site: vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1529_1347_1429_1434&products_id=2771 It should be used with special hose end that seals and locks on this fitting when you just push it on. They sometimes require some special tool to remove. What you want to use with factory return line without any special hose end is "hose barb" adapter like this: vibrantperformance.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1529_1347_1416_1417 or this: vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1529_1347_1416_1418&products_id=3063 Unfortunately neither of these will work because I couldn't find right combination of hose size and thread type. Anyways, since this is return line and it took really big effort for you to put it on, I'm sure that it will work just fine )))
Spray some WD-40 on the hose, to make it slip on easier. Also, you do not want to use Teflon tape on AN fittings. The Teflon tape you used on the FPR, is not rated for gasoline.
please make a honda civic ex sedan no one has a build on it and i would loooove to see it made into a circuit racer and you guys know how to properly do it. Please i beg!
Ok :( I know of the hatchback but wanted to see a time attack coupe version, anyways great videos & keep up the work! Hopefully you guys make it to tv sometime soon?? That'd be cool
+Speed Academy nice i love watching your videos. I'm from owensound pretty cool you guys are close just heard you say Canadian tire lol and was like what finally something sweet on youtube that's not from the states.
hi guys I am planning on doing a similar setup on my toyota and I was just wondering if anyone knows if a universal fpr is as good as a named brand one as I have heard they are not as accurate. is there anyone with any experience using the pressure regulators if so please help :)
What would the point be then!? A good, tuned ITB system like this nets decent hp at the wheels. Almost as much as low boost. They should see 250-270rwhp I'd guess, once finished.
+ShiggityShatz ok thanks. it's just every where I looked people said you lose a little hp for better throttle reponse. good to know never seen or heard of itb until this video.
+ShiggityShatz seeing as it's basically a stock engine i'd guess they'll see 235-240, but yeah they should never lose power. you gain airflow and response, and it really opens the engines high RPM range up.
Wow- way more of a complicated install than I would've anticipated. You guys are very talented! thank you for sharing!
+Zac Lux It certainly is but this is hardcore race car parts and we shouldve known that it wasnt going to be easy.
Man what an under rated channel ever, ya need a million subs forreal
+SweazyRaskal Thanks so much! We hope to get there one day.
Been waiting for what seems like forever for this.
+qotsa1 Winter slows us down a lot since its so damn cold to work in the shop hence why the videos don't come out as quickly. :(
+Speed Academy yeah I hear ya. Can't wait to listen to that thing scream.
Guys, just wanted to say that you are doing an amazing job on these videos. Really high quality material. I really like the addition of music in this one. Keep up with great work, subscribers are coming your way. Biggest car channel in making.
+braco Thanks so much! We appreciate the kind words.
ITB's are going to sound sick!
+Balo657 I can't wait!!
yeah man, love ITB sound like on the AE86. btw nice channel, been subscribed for awhile!
Balo657 I know its like your head is going to get sucked into them!
The ITB's are a bit more involved than I would have thought... either way, you guys have one of the best auto channels out there! I really enjoy watching the work you guys put in, the puns you dish out and the insight you give; especially with Project Basass2000 and Project Grip S14! Both are by far the most interesting and entertaining builds on the Intarwebs! Solid work guys!
+roninsoldier83 That means so much to us! Thanks for the kind words.
If i was in the hospital and had never seen Ken before, just looking at him i wouldnt at all expect him to be building a badass fd racecar! Keep up the good work guys!
+Luke Kindred Haha, we thought the same thing when we first met him.
Hey guys great video as always.
Just wanted to comment that AN fittings don't use teflon tape because they don't seal through the threads like NPT fittings do. They have a male flare on the tip of the fitting (and a corresponding female flare on the tip of what you're putting it into) and they seal that way.
I mention this because I thought I heard you say the regulator uses AN fittings and saw you put that AN to hose barb fitting on the return line with teflon tape on there and said (not sure if this has to have teflon on) or something along those lines.
Also, when using teflon, particularly teflon tape, to seal different kinds of fluids, they come color-coded based on what their use is going to be. White tape usually is not oil and fuel resistant and will deteriorate upon contact with either one. There's yellow teflon tape which I believe is the one you should use for this application.
+Arolbreaker Thanks for heads up, we replaced the teflon tape with an o-ring on the return line since after some reading up we realized that we made a boo boo.
+Speed Academy haha yeah i was gonna jump on you for the apprentice tape, but i see about 20 people already have! hehe
that good ole 37 degree surface does all the work. don't ask me why it's 37*, just don't mix them up with hydraulic JIC fittings that are basically the same but have a 45* surface.
also, just a heads up, the first fitting you show that lets you mate to the stock hard line is a compression fitting and the brass bit is a ferrule.
keep up the good work.
Wow just discovered this channel, watched every s2000 episode since I'm a fellow s2k owner amazed with all the details/knowledge one can learn from watching your videos.... Being a mighty car mods fan I think I'm getting converted lol i can't wait to watch the rest of the episodes in your channel. Keep up the great work guys
+Margarito Ramos THANK YOU! That means a lot to us especially that you're learning because it's our main goal with these videos.
I guess the ITB install is definitely not a half day task. Look's like a lot of thinking to get it setup right. I'm loving all the progress on BADASS2000!
It felt like waiting for this was like waiting for Netflix to release once a year! lol.. She's looking good!!! Can't wait till she's on the track again for some comparisons to the last set up.
+Kyle Tipton Oh jeez haha, we're not that bad are we? We try to release these vids as quickly as possible but the winter slows down our progress quite a bit!
Whenever I am tapping anything, I always do about 1-2 turns and a half turn back just to be safe! Love the work you guys are doing, looking to build a full fuel system for my cortina with the braided hose rather than the copper line.
+Ryan Cameron That's a very sound method and probably better than ours but patience is not Pete's strong suit haha
+Ryan Cameron Me too It helps clean out all the shavings.
+Speed Academy yeah I'm sure it makes a difference. Although I can understand, when time is of the essence... Haha!
This channel is better than mighty car mods. Keep at it and you'll have a massive audience in no time
+Stigs722 Wow! Thank you! That means a lot to us.
You guys are awesome man. You make the perfect length to content ratio in my opinion. Can't wait for the next episode!
+Tuğrul Berk UySal Glad to hear because sometime we think the videos get a bit too long.
Maybe it's just me but when I'm watching you guys, I don't watch a tutorial of installation of something or a vlog type of thing. I feel like I'm hanging out with my friends so, I guess, for me, up to 20-24 minutes is just right - depending on what you guys are doing of course. Looovin' it guys...loovin' it!
Very cool project! Keep up the chilly good work bros!
Can't wait, for the final product👍🏼
+Bayardo Victorio We're trying hard to wrap up the install in the next few weeks and fire it up!
Can you guys make the vids longer!!! Really enjoying the build keep up the awesome work guys!!!
can't wait to see/ hear this!!
That episode was tense!
Great episode!
Really liking the choice of using ITB's, Currently reading up on ITBs for my miata but will probably end up going the turbo route.
+Makeit Flip We like em too but damn are they taking a long time to install!
Thanks for part two ! brilliant.
FYI..you dont put teflon on any AN fitting, they work purely on compression. GREAT VID, guys. keep it up!
+alfred rodriguez Thanks for the tip! No more teflon tape!
I'm really surprised you guys didn't go with the Hayward manifold for the Jenvey throttles. It was designed for the F2xC actually going into an S2000. No tapping of anything required. Makes installation much quicker. Also, I mounted my FPR just behind the shock tower using a small bent metal bracket using a preexisting hole.
+David Cargle Agreed but we were working with Jenvey directly and really love their products. Plus it makes for great content. :)
this channel deserves more views... keep up the good work guys :P
+Zo oka Thank yoU!
Love the channel and loving the jacket there Pete!
+James McCaughern Thanks! Not sure its keeping me warm enough though.
cant wait to hear it screamin down the track!
Re: teflon tape on AN fittings - You don't use them on flare fittings, like AN fittings. They have a 37 degree flare that is responsible for the actual seal. The threads are just to apply force for the flare and the inverted flare it mates with.
part 3 when ? like we're this is going. great video and good tips .
awesome build,can't wait to see the next ep!keep up the good work
you guys do know your return line AN adapter is for a push lock fitting right? you may want to keep a close eye on that.
+Skwisgar2322 Yes we realize that but its a low pressure line so it should work. We have a barb style that we can switch out if it leaks.
Fair enough, looking forward to the next episode.
Great video as always guys
Sweet! Looks hella clean.
awesome video as always guys
The fuel pressure regulator is supposed to use o-ring fittings (ORB fittings). the teflon tape probably won't hold because the threads are straight cut, not taper cut like pipe threads are (which are designed to bottom out on each other.)
also, that fitting you haven't isn't a hose barb fitting, but a GM style push lock fitting which is why you couldn't get it over the hump. but it should work fine other than not having an o-ring on it.
+eage8 Good eye, I actually noticed that AFTER I installed it but thankfully I've got a pile of o-rings at the shop and fitted one there to ensure it wont leak.
That's hard work dude... Very very hard work 😬 I definitely say that congrats for your nicely done work!
+Akio Haru Goro (日本人) Many thanks!
Like another poster said, no teflon on fuel lines. If you're looking to lube the fitting, you can use something called fuel lube that'll do that. The teflon will get dissolved by the fuel almost instantly upon contact. Nice video, though. Kinda takes me back to my hose-making days as an airplane mechanic. Although I never had those fancy fixtures to make the hoses. We used aluminum vice shoes (?) to avoid marring the fitting surfaces. Excellent drilling technique, BTW. Also, looks cold! How cold is it up there in Canada?
+David Cheung We're going to replace the teflon tape with an o-ring on the FPR that should seal it up!
Right now, its about -10 C up here and the shop has no heating at all. It's a struggle.
That zip-up fleece vest is cash.
lol.
Great work guys, loving your Ass2000 vids!
+Paul N Thanks!
yes sir will do..
if you guys get headers go for ballade sport header for good HP.. !!!! for sure just got mines can feel a differents getting tune next week..
+Yung Loyal Keep us posted on what you make!
Project PainInTheAssITBs. I'm a bit surprised how much custom work is required here!
+Brodey Dover Yeah its been trying so far. The cold doesnt help much either.
good progress guys..fuel line to regulator looks vulnerable though.
+Colin Morand It should be fine, we left enough slack that even with some back and forth movement there's enough slack.
+Speed Academy good job guys..it will be super responsive with the new setup :)
With the routing of the fuel line over the belt, if you ever threw a belt, there may be a chance of also tearing up your fuel line.
+ovlraglvr Yes, there are a few things that can go bad and cause some issues but we think that having the FPR in the location where it is seems like the best spot for us.
All your sex references are on point
+Vicente lerdo We appreciate that you like them because we're not sure if they're funny or not lol
+Speed Academy I'm sure they're funny!
+David Pratte that are i lol everytime
+greyson paynter they*
They are great.
thanks guys, I know now not to attempt this project on my own. love the video!
+testing316 Ha! It's turning out to be a very complex one but now you'll know how to do it.
As expensive a itb is you'd think it would come with necessary holes already drilling/tapped and some fittings.
Another great vid, keep it up guys!
+christopher farley Thank you!
Another great video guys. Im not the best Honda Fan, but the BADASS2000 is my favorite build. I would love to know whats the manufacturer and part number for the blue roll around table used in the last update video?
+727DARKHORSE Its a Miller Welding table: www.millerwelds.com/accessories/workstations/arcstation-s-series#!/?product-options-title=arcstation-60sx-welding-table-951170
Its a beast of a table and absolutely awesome. WE love it!
+Speed Academy Thanks guys fir the link on the welding table. My goal for this year is to work on upgrading my garage and this will make a great addition
Cross threads are better than no threads!
Where you put the teflon tape on the return line off the regulator, you should have used an o-ring. At least ive run that with 75+ psi of fuel pressure under boost with no issue
+MuCk0994 Yup, we've since replaced the teflon tape with an O-Ring. Should seal better.
Are you guys mechanics by trade? If not, where did you acquire all your mechanical knowledge. Love this BADASS2000 series by the way! Cheers from the maritimes
+Dirk Diggler We are not. We just picked up some wrenches many, many years ago and now continue to learn as we build these cars. You can do it too! Just start off with some simple tasks and before you know it you'll be swapping engines :)
+Speed Academy Thanks for the reply. Really look forward to future content, definitely one of the best car channels I've come across on youtube
I thought the fittings into the regulator were supposed to have o rings on them
+SupraWilliams You are correct. We got the right fittings for it now. :)
so i was perusing the salon de lauto de montreal, and guess what i came upon. the famous speed academy frs! too bad you guys werent there. would have been nice to meet you!
+Paul G Yes! We have seen some photos of it there. Glad you got to check it out!
Read title. Clicked video. Hit like, then watched video.
+Vincent Thank you!
Try to put a bit of soap next time on the fuel regulator return line rubber hose , or get the hose hot in some hot water.
Looking good gents! I have a question with regards to the FPR ..... Is it ok to lay it down like you did? And do u have any concerned with the serpentine belt breaking and tearing off your fuel line?
+BranVel Laying it down is completely fine from what we've been told. It's operation wont be affected at all. We've never had a belt snap before but in the instance that it did then yes this could be a liability.
So, I'm a crash safety engineer, and I guess maybe I just overthink these things some times ... but for whatever it is worth, I would not want the fuel lines running up to the radiator area like that because it would leave them more exposed to damage in an accident. Whereas if they are routed towards the rear of the car and away from the nose of the car then the engine block and other rigid components can help protect the fuel lines in an accident. It's also worth considering how some of those rigid components could smash into the lines as well, so you don't end up with pinched lines say between the firewall and the engine block (e.g. don't run the fuel line down the tranny tunnel immediately behind the engine block).
Of course you can't really protect from 100% of collisions, but there are some types of collisions that are the most common because we're in vehicles doing common things. I think it's worth considering what could happen if you slid off track into a wall, smashing the front end, and if the fuel lines are located there now they are dumping fuel all over an engine hot from track laps.
Personally, I would try to follow the factory fuel line routing as much as possible, even if that meant moving other components to make room for the fuel regulator. Honda has good engineers, and this is a modern car so at least that routing you can be reasonably assured that crash simulations have been performed, and the safety systems in place (bumpers/crushcans, etc.) were designed based off of these simulations. Just something to consider.
I can't wait to see videos of the car running and to hear your opinions on the performance from the new setup, thanks!
+joeracer302 There are most certainly safer ways to route the fuel system but the complexity and use of excessive amounts of U and C shaped fittings to route the fuel system in a factory like manner presents its own safety issues so for the time being we'll be sticking with the setup as it is. Definitely appreciate the concern though. :)
Speed Academy Have you considered running hard lines as an alternative?
+joeracer302 It all comes down to time management. We have so many projects and deadlines on the go that our choices are usually based on quality and installation time. To make hardlines would require a lot more effort and man hours so the AN flexible hose is the best solution for us by far at the moment.
when you are tapping are you using a npt tap. If so are you tapping just deep enough that your fitting gets tight as it goes or are you bottoming it and just Teflon taping it. A npt thread is tapered so it shouldn't be tapped to deep.
I was wondering the same thing. Is that a pipe tap or are they using a washer type gasket on the ECT sensor?
so no need for any teflon on any of those threads?
*** just finished watching.. got my answer! thanks lol
+Benjamin Ellsworth Apparently teflon tape isnt the way to go. Some paste is decent but for the most part tape isnt recommended, or so that's what we've learned.
+Benjamin Ellsworth thread sealing tape or paste is really only used on pipe threads. pipe threads together like a wedge, the more you tighten it the tighter it seals. the sealant fills in the gaps between the peaks and valleys in the thread preventing fluid from spiraling all the way out. i don't really think you'll find much pipe thread on anything past the 80's, especially on japanese stuff.
those a/n fittings use a metal to metal sealing surface similar to industrial hydraulic fittings. there may also be some o-ring or flat metal surface seals as well but it's hard to tell from the video.
Videos are great guys - keep it up! I was laughing at some of the pain you had with taking the manifold off and the fuel lines - I just fitted Toda ITBs on my UK race car and it wasn't the most fun job ever :s
Can you tell me what hardtop you have on the car? Looks like a Challenge one?
Thanks!
+Mark B Thanks, we now know that ITB's aren't a bolt-on affair but as Im sure you can tell us, the job isn't that difficult.
The hardtop is a Seibon piece. It actually fit pretty well.
Can you these in a daily driven street car? Not legally emissions-wise, I mean are they reliable and good around town?
Dude I wish I bought one of those Koul tool fitting clamps last time I made up AN fittings I did them in my hand and I think my flesh is still on the fitting LOL!
+Blake's Garage That flesh is there for extra sealing capability, thus preventing leaks. It's also a performance tax.
I know you guys are situated in Ontario, whereabouts is Vibrant Performance? Or did you get all that stuff from a distributor?
+Roy Mariñas We always get our stuff from nvauto.ca/ The guys are great there, if you do get stuff from em, tell em we sent ya!
Wow all those cool fittings an no AN wrench? That surprised me you guys need to get some AN wrenches so you don't scratch up the nice fittings.
+Blake's Garage We're going to ask Vibrant really nicely for a set next time we get stuff from them!
Speed Academy I hope they hook you guys up.
Shouldn't the fuel pressure regulator be on the feed side of the fuel rail? Doesn't seem like it'll do much good on the return side.
+Dale Engles No, it regulates the fuel pressure and then dumps the excess fuel back through the return. It can be done on the feed side as well though. We've run both configurations with good results.
Nice work guys...sorry yall had to tap! ugH!
good video..
Pete could you make a more in depth video on your Evo? Maybe a more in depth story and actually start it up so we can hear it! Thanks keep up the good videos really enjoying the content!
+Raymond Come spring time Ill make sure to do a full review of the car and rip it on track. :)
+Speed Academy looking forward to it! Thanks for responding
ep 82 starlet gt turbo i would like to see one build up of drag racing and everyday driving plz
That temp sensor is going to hit the firewall pretty bad and those vacuum fittings are nicely aligned in front of the lower manifold screws.
Should have checked out my pictures better Pete :P
+Anders W Yes, unfortunately you sent the photos after we had done this job so there wasn't much we could do :(
+Speed Academy oh I see, well you need to upload your videos faster then ;)
I'm sure it's not that big of a problem, just going to be hard to reach them during the install.
Compared to the stock manifold though it might not be that bad lol
+Anders W I looked at fitting the bolts today and it's going to be super tight but they should work. I think I may remove the fittings if they give me trouble. I plugged the temp sensor in and it fits when plugged in before putting the ITBs on but you're, removing it will be impossible with it on the engine!
+Garet Curry It's not that bad. I can remove the vacuum fittings if need be but if I had to do it all over again, now I know to offset them.
What ever happened to the ls swapped 240 and orange srt-4 project cars from the old modified mag?
+Richard Taylor I sold the LS swapped 240 to a guy in San Fransisco. He still owns it! The SRT was sold to a guy in Michigan.
By someone telling you that you installed the FPR wrong, I'm assuming you mean the person teching you at the track.
+Sean Henry Why do you think its installed wrong? You think the fuel line running across the belt area wont pass tech?
That was supposed to be a question not a statement. Which is totally my fault. I think you're fine. The line doesn't look like it would rub. If you can't push the line into the belt when it's installed, then the tech inspector really can't say anything.
+Sean Henry Ahh gotcha. We're confident that we'll be ok but spring time will tell if the techs like it or not.
The FPR should be on the return line on every system?
+driftshots Not necessarily. You can setup it up so that its on the feed and then has a return line running off the bottom of it. Most setups are done on the return line though.
man i wish i owned all the cars in your garage
#BADASS2000
That fitting you used for fuel return on 10:10 looks like quick release connector, is it?
It's a slip-on fitting so no not quick connect.
Well, in fact it is )))
Try searching for "push lock fuel line". It's adapter for quick release connection some cars have from factory these days. here it is on Vibrant web site: vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1529_1347_1429_1434&products_id=2771
It should be used with special hose end that seals and locks on this fitting when you just push it on. They sometimes require some special tool to remove.
What you want to use with factory return line without any special hose end is "hose barb" adapter like this:
vibrantperformance.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1529_1347_1416_1417
or this:
vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1529_1347_1416_1418&products_id=3063
Unfortunately neither of these will work because I couldn't find right combination of hose size and thread type.
Anyways, since this is return line and it took really big effort for you to put it on, I'm sure that it will work just fine )))
I see what you mean, Well thankfully the lip help seal the rubber hose onto it!
Take a shot every time Dave says "literally just"
+wsc112782 Haha, so how drunk did you get?
+Speed Academy Not drunk enough haha... one of the episodes he says it at least a dozen times
Do you have an Evap solenoid also?
+Integra DIY We do but that wont work with this setup so it's going to be removed very soon.
With ecu tuning I'm sure you can, without it, its a huge CEL
+Integra DIY Yes, thankfully we have our AEM ECU :)
NA miata project?
Hope you guys never throw a belt into that fuel line.
+Mr.Bash We hope so too!
I wish they were tapping the ITBs for a direct port nitrous setup hahaha
+Aaron Mamaril Now you're talking! Maybe in the future.
+Aaron Mamaril top quality F&F reference! :D
Spray some WD-40 on the hose, to make it slip on easier. Also, you do not want to use Teflon tape on AN fittings. The Teflon tape you used on the FPR, is not rated for gasoline.
+MeowMr2 yeah, we already got rid of the teflon tape.
4 and a half minutes in and my first thought was, "I guess it's not starting in part two. .."
do you guys have the head off that motor or just the valve cover?
+Andrew Davidson Its just the valve cover.
great videos, thanks for sharing. Although I think you could kill the endlessly looping background music - which doesn't add much
All the new videos are now music free :)
probably is a dumb question but... it's not bad the engine get only hot air from the engine bay?
You can get air pipes for itbs as well.
+Gabriel Aiello Its not ideal. We're going to work on building a proper airbox in the future.
+Speed Academy i feel the need...the need for NACA ducts!
bad ass 👌
so ken's a doc? what do you 2 do for work?
+The Ultimate Racer He's a nurse :) And this is what we do for a living!
That purple vest though....
+Manny Tavan Haha, so you like or hate it? Be honest!
Why Oh why did they choose ITB's over a twin vortex super charger?! D':
please make a honda civic ex sedan no one has a build on it and i would loooove to see it made into a circuit racer and you guys know how to properly do it. Please i beg!
+Vance Maior We've built a lot of Hondas in the past so I doubt we'll build another one soon. Sorry!
Ok :( I know of the hatchback but wanted to see a time attack coupe version, anyways great videos & keep up the work! Hopefully you guys make it to tv sometime soon?? That'd be cool
You have a part number for that AN fitting tool kit?
+Matt Rodriguez This should help: www.summitracing.com/int/search/brand/koul-tools
+Speed Academy Yes this helps a lot, keep up the great work on all your project. Also you should do a badass2000 vs frs maybe just saying
+Matt Rodriguez We had every plan to do that in the fall but ran out of time. Will def do that shootout this year :D
:D YEA!!!
isn't it pink tape for fuel fittings?
+Edward Grindstaff also line wrenches. buy some line wrenches.
+Edward Grindstaff Yes, we wanted a set for this but didn't get around to buying a set in time.
why is pete wearing a weird looking bullet proof vest...?
+Josh Grundon Haha, that bulletproof vest is an old vest that is sheep skin lined so it helps me stay warm. :)
where in Canada are you guys located
+Dan Kelly Goheen Carter Toronto/Hamilton area
+Speed Academy nice i love watching your videos. I'm from owensound pretty cool you guys are close just heard you say Canadian tire lol and was like what finally something sweet on youtube that's not from the states.
+Dan Kelly Goheen Carter Canadian Pride all the way!!
hi guys I am planning on doing a similar setup on my toyota and I was just wondering if anyone knows if a universal fpr is as good as a named brand one as I have heard they are not as accurate. is there anyone with any experience using the pressure regulators if so please help :)
Comme ça! lol
When putting the fuel lines over those nipples leave it in hot water or put abit of oil around the nipple it goes in alot easier...
Awesome tip! Thanks!
You guys had all these specialty tools but didn't have any AN wrenches.
+JSLay We thought we did and when it came time to find them, nada. So regular wrenches had to be used.
do you lose hp with itb systems ?
What would the point be then!? A good, tuned ITB system like this nets decent hp at the wheels. Almost as much as low boost. They should see 250-270rwhp I'd guess, once finished.
+ShiggityShatz ok thanks. it's just every where I looked people said you lose a little hp for better throttle reponse. good to know never seen or heard of itb until this video.
+ShiggityShatz seeing as it's basically a stock engine i'd guess they'll see 235-240, but yeah they should never lose power.
you gain airflow and response, and it really opens the engines high RPM range up.
You'll lose some bottom end torque if anything because of less plenum volume.