@@afiqfathuddin2623 also when Kageyama says he seems normal, Tomori responds by saying his shoulders felt off then. He must really be wearing himself out and require more maintenance
@@MyMainMan90 Very late response, but Sakusa's physical fitness wasn't exactly on par with Ushiwaka's. His stamina in high school was akin to that of Kei Tsukishima's (3/5) so the wear and tear gets to him a lot quicker. In a five set match, I'd reckon I'm taking Ushiwaka for the long haul. Ushiwaka is arguably more consistent due to his power and stamina as well. Sakusa seemed to be a bit overall more deft and reilable, but Sakusa strived to be like Ushiwaka in terms of spiking.
Shiratorizawa doesn’t have a bad roster but their game plan is pretty much “let Ushijima spike as much as possible.” Ushijima doesn’t have a player on his squad who’s necessarily renowned in their position on a National level, but took them to the top 8 anyways. I think overall Ushijima does a better job of carrying his team more than any other Ace
@@kiseryouta9818 you’re right about Tendou but I wouldn’t say they are the only reason. Shiratorizawa is overall a strong team but if we compare rosters a team like Itachiyama has 3 players who could have a case for being the best in their position and we haven’t even seen the rest of the squad
All we know in the story is that ushijima has beaten every top 3 ace in the story. It’s implied that Sakura might have beat ushijima but it’s not outright stated, just that the games between ushijima and sakusa were good games.
Sakusa has the better technique which leads him in his high position. Generally if we are going based on the actual skill of the players Sakusa is better than that but we must thank Wakatoshi because depending on the team it might be harder to find someone to set for you if your left handed
@@kunalkhati7505 I feel like it’s the general consensus that Kiryu is just a step behind these two. He Hs Ushijima was able to get his team to a top 8 position which is impressive because other then himself there really isn’t another “Star Player” maybe besides Tendo. While on the other hand Sakusa was a champion in the Inter-high nationals. Kiryu obviously we don’t know where his team we’re placed. In the pre-time skip he was just to insecure with his abilities as an ace while he is comparable to Ushijima in strength and is stated as an better all rounder it’s just his mentality that held him back. If I had to chose a person to Toss to it’s gonna be Ushijima>Kiryu just because Ushijima will slam it all the time without hesitation. Sakusa on the other hand is just to tricky of player and is a fantastic defender. Obviously post-time skip we didn’t get to see him play.
@@kirayoshikage8007 kiryus team was top 8 or top 4 at the inter high. I know they lost to inaraziki at the inter high and they were top 8 at the spring high. Also I feel like his team is the worst out of the 3. He really just doesn’t get talked about bc the 1 game we saw him play in bokuto stole the show. I just checked kiryu was top 4 at the inter high.
i agree and people use the argument that ushi puts a lot more pressure which makes a lot of sense but power can be countered, sakusas spin is insane.... im not saying it cant be countered but his technique is phenomenal and during the msby match his recieves are amazing, he got the first service ace and he was the the MVP during college. i love ushi a lot and the argument that hes better is solid but in my personal opinion id have to go with sakusa. hes also a pretty cool character in general and on top of that, pre timeskip he was literally a second year 😦
If an ace is someone who scores more points then Hinata should be ace of Karasuno, because he scores more points than Asahi but I think the ace is categorized as being the most consistent and reliable player who can score in a pinch, thus making Asahi the ace
Ace is more of a more reliable hitter Like lets say the second touch is going to be terrible Asahi is more likely going to have a better hit than Hinata also Asahi is more likely to score a point when up against a proper 3 man block than Hinata Sure Hinata scores more points throughout the game But he usually gets a point when the toss is good and when the block is messed up or when there is no blocker
@@BrokenSIMGlasses that's called the x factor dude. guys like ushijima, mad dog, asahi has power as x factor but guys like hinata have x factor like speed, agility, confusing the blocker etc.
I think you're wrong about one thing in particular. The notion that both Sakusa and Ushijima are equal in scoring potential is wrong in my opinion. There are a lot of mechanics which go in Wakatoshi's favor that aren't just "strength" and "southpaw" spin. The fact that he uses his left arm and approaches from the right side already gives him a latent advantage because most blockers will instinctively block the right side of his body and not his left, and for them to properly deny his left arm they'd need to fully shift themselves to that point but by doing that they leave a lot of room for him to cut. This is actually why he's always double marked, there's no way of covering his side at all. Now when he's double blocked it's imperative that the blockers need to either be equal in reach, jump at the same time, and of course jump high enough to block the ball at its apex. Off the bat the defense has to practically fill three objectives to even block him, and you could say that's true for all blockers but we've constantly see Ushiwaka actively take advantage of disparities in two-man blocks to target the lower blocker and smack it down on the weaker side. If the blockers aren't in place and there's a gap he can hit it straight through, and we ignore that Ushiwaka is pretty generous to never use quicks. If he ever just wanted to break the game he could request a quick set every time and break records, and if that wasn't enough even IF they got everything right, he could just spike clear over the blocks like we see in 9:37. Sakusa's biggest strength is block outs, gaps, crosses and straights. All spikers worthy of the top 5 can do that, its the fact that Ushijima can just ignore defenses and spike over and around if he wants that makes him all that imposing. Sakusa uses his skill because that's the only way he can score, Ushijima uses his pure strength because it's the simplest way but when we see later on in the game, he begins to make use of more skillful tactics. Ushijima is narratively written as the better one of the three as well, you can see this through all members actively looking "up" to Ushijima rather than viewing them as equals. Sakusa often questions how Kageyama beat Ushijima and doesn't believe something like that is doable for a reason, and that's because he's narratively the better of the trio. He also canonically beats Kiryuu and Motoya in Junior High, so that's that.
IMO i think sakusa is better because you left out the fact that he can tool the block and has one of the best ball placement in all of the characters in Haikyuu. Sakusa also has some pretty good strength and can receive much better. overall sakusa is better imo
Idk about you guys but I've played volleyball alot and if I was at match point and had to give the set to anyone it would be Ushijima.. I don't think Sakusa comes close in terms of strength power and athleticism And Ushijima doesn't come close in terms of his technique But it's still hard to chose since they're so different from each other I'd like to call this a Volleyball genius Vs Volleyball monster
Yeah but think about it like this If you have set one of them at the end of the game the passers and blockers are gonna be warmed up so who would you rather have a person who has a lot power but can still have his spike recieved and or blocked or have some one who can tool the block and even if the passers get under the ball they still wouldn't be able to get it up
Sakusa is the ultimate all-around player and genuinely the only player in Japan with "no real weaknesses," given he's the only one without a stat below 8/10. Even Hinata and Hoshiumi, with composite scores of 53/60 just like Sakusa who has 53/60, possess a 7/10 each in blocking, making it their clear weakest aspect. Ushiwaka plays solid on defense but it is obvious that offense is his forte. He's also not relied on in the backrow for defense because of his ability to put the ball away being more exemplified without having to play defense. Sakusa doesn't come close in terms of raw athleticism. Ushijima is equally quick on the court, jumps higher, hits harder, has more stamina. In terms of technique, it's not "Ushijima doesn't come close." Ushijima's spiking techniques are far more advanced than Sakusa's, and his passing form is virtually flawlessed. If anything, Sakusa is just more 'skilled,' not 'more technically proficient.' It's a hard choice, though, because what you want from either player just depends on the team you want to run or whatever is missing from your team. Both of them are volleyball geniuses and monsters.
@@silentloud4267 I think the point wasn't to deduce who was better. I think in the timeskip, virtually everyone is equal even if the stats suggest otherwise.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ushijima was somewhat based on Nishida, but in saying that when Haikyuu started Nishida wasn't the star he is today so there's that as well
Y’know I had a pretty good team last year. We had a 6’4 southpaw who had mad hops. A prodigy with powerful jump serves. A 6’0 middle who blocked almost every ball, and, most importantly, and incredible dashing Libero who never let the ball touch the ground. The sad part was the rest of the team couldn’t really spike or anything so we got predictable. We were like shiratorizawa and Dateko mixed into one. Of course most of the sets went to our Ushijima. But the setter wasn’t consistent so our Southpaw never got a run up in and still averaged 15-20 points a game. It was really a one man show. I always brag to my friends that I’m in Shiratorizawa but looking at the Haikyu team. One man can’t carry a team. 28-29 to the other team. Setter sets to Ushijima. I yell “SMASH IT” blocked. They got used to him. No one followed up because he tended to spike Over the block. Low set low spike. Lost game. I forgot to mention out Ushijima is 14. Like what the hell. Our oldest player was 15. And he was 5’5.
@@Caminopoi66 So the other two didnt improve that much? For me its just hes the main protagonist. Those two were genius at the game not just above average player, in reality they have higher ceiling which means they will improve drastically as well.
Well according to his cousin Sakusa still got a ways to go if he wants to match up against Ushiwaka and according to Final Guide Book Sakusa was Acknowledging Ushijima's skills and attitude towards Volleyball since Middle School (Ushijima became his aspiration) But without Ushijima, do you think Sakusa and Hinata will get better? Not only them also Kiryū and Kageyama and Oikawa.
just because you idolize someone doesnt mean you are worse than them since he couldve idolized ushijima for his power so thats a pretty bold assumption
Idk i would go with ushijima just because i think nobody can put pressure like him he is just so hard to play against mentally i don’t mean that does not go for sakusa but ushijima just makes you feel you are in front of unstoppable force with much much pressure
he's just made to dig more. ushijima is the offensive weapon of the team alongside hinata for team japan. was confirmed in the last chapter that they were Japanese key players besides atsumu and Kageyama who will need to use them at 100% of their abilities too beat Argentina.
@@Spartt204 yeah Hinata is basically the answer to all of the team's weaknesses and Ushiwaka is just the guaranteed kill you want haha. A guy whose ball trajectory is unpredictable, whose power is unrivaled, and bears the lefty swing which already puts him at an unfair advantage. Both are one of a kind.
@@silentloud4267 the problem is Lebron is an elite defender whereas Curry is just above average , while Sakusa is the elite defender with Ushiwaka being solid but not spectacular. On offense I agree though
To anyone saying "but ushijimas power is better" power can be countered by a good defense, such as nishinoya, and sakusa both receiving his straights, but sakusa's spin would be a lot harder to counter. Sakusa can (most likely) use the flexibility of his wrists to spin the ball multiple different ways to where it would be much more difficult to actually receive or block his hits.
Well if you get used to Sakusa's spike it can also be counter by a good defense, just like in the match against Ushijima, Nishinoya weren't able to receive Ushijima's attack at first because he's left handed which has a unique spin to the ball just like Sakusa's flexible wrist, the spin might not be as nasty as Sakusa's but Ushijima's power makes his left hand spin on par with Sakusa's nasty spin imo, they basically have similar yet different weapon
I disagree, we know that even ushijima can put a lot of spin with Just sheer force. We know that in middle school he was able to surpass sakusa spin by sheer force(sakusa was amazed that someone could put more spin than him on a ball). He jumps higher, hit stronger, Is a Better blocker. Itachyama was considered the best team at the Nationals but without the setter they Lost to a team tha Lost the next game. Ushijima Is single handedly able to change the course of a game. From what we have seen of 3 of the other four top 5 spikers, no One of them Is able to polarize the game as ushijima can. We also know that ushijima Is a Monster even in the tecnical field. He changed the course of the Spike mid air in the game(nishinoya was impressed and didn't even know It was possible), so i dont see why should he be considered less skilled. And dont forget that he Is lefty. The blockers have to adapt to his form, also the spin Is different, noya that Is One of the best libero in the nation needed 1 set Just to be used to the spin. We should also consider the fact of having a player Like ushijima in the team, the fact of being lefty makes him play Like a Wing spiker in the opposite position, having the possibility of playing with two cannons instead of One and a good defensive player. Last but not the least stats are shit. Mika(suguru girlfriend) has 4/5 in game sense, the Same of Oikawa. Also She has 3/5 in Power while Hinata has 1/5.
Not hate towards Miracle boy Wakatoshi but Ushijimas block is literally horrible and it hasn't even changed in the time skip so idk about the blocking portion
@@mence5992 You can watch back the Match between shritirizowa and karasuno and Manga match between Black Jackals and Msby in those matches he constantly gets hit over and or hit through. Theres literally a whole scene in the Karasuno match when Asahi Blows through him and it still doesnt get better in the manga it's a huge plot hole but I let it slide because he's such a good player but for his position he should be at least semi decent at blocking
Im going to disagree. The manga states that sakusa's SPIN is more difficult to handle than ushijama's, not his spikes overall. Nasty spin is effective against receives, not so much against blocks. Playing against blocks requires power, spike height, knowing angles to wipe and executing the spikes accurately, being able to read the blocks, and having counter measures when you get countered (ushijima, bokuto, hoshiumi and post skip hinata showed the most ability in most of these departments). The ace main role is to spike through blocks when the recieve is off, and sakusa is not particularly suited for that. He is the most effective when paired with with players that can open up the block for him, such as hinata or bokuto so he can exert his full potential botching recieves with his spin. And That's why he is playing WS as a pro and not opposite.
Man , Sakusa's wrists is super agile, he is able to spike it wherever he wants bc of that, so block often doesn't work vs his spike, and on top of that , an opposite team should try to receive his super spinning spike
@@billiejean1310 Blocks Always work because they restrict space. The only way in which they wouldnt be so effective would be if you were particularly amazing at tooling them or overpowering them via spike height or sheer power. Sakusa was not stated nor shown to have those abilities. Wrist fleixibility can take you so far if it is not paired up with other skills, and sakusa was never stated to have those at an elite level.
@@feedfrc6861 I told u they can't block him, but I didnt tell u about restrictions. After all u have to receive his spike, do u understand what I mean?
The “ace” main role isn’t to spike through blocks, their role is to be the most reliable on the team. The reason the outside hitter gets the set when the offense is out of system because typically, the outside hitter will be able to keep the ball in play. whereas shiratorizawa, ushijima was the most reliable because he was the strongest hitter in his team. Also, to be a pro you have to have immense power, and yes ushijima is stronger but that doesn’t mean sakusa is purely wrist flick. he too has insane power as demonstrated by his jumpserve. he is more reliable on defense and actually has to participate in defense, if he or ushijima has to set the ball i guarantee you you would want sakusa to set you instead of ushijima. also in terms of going against blockers he has the advantage. Lefties are strong because the spin on the ball is different for the recievers. Ushijima is strong due to this AND because he knows how to see the block. Sakusa has the advantage because he sees the block just as well, and actually is more deceptive because you can’t really tell which angle he will hit, and can easily hit strong with right spin and make the ball hit off the blocker into the antenna for a point. ushijima is strong, but id say sakusa is the better ace.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but I read the manga and there was only a little explanation about Sakusa's overall abilities, so: The author show us at least one game played by the National top5, Aran Ojiro, Bokuto, Ushiwaka and Kiryu. Now I'm in the post-time skip but i'd would like to see how's the top1 Highschool ace is like
Honestly didn’t notice him when he got mentioned in season 2 like I practically tuned out his name for some reason when it was mentioned. And now here I am absolutely loving him low key.
Great analogy to the NBA but i'll compare it a little more detailed: Ushijima is more like Michael jordan or Kobe Bryant (RIP forever), while MJ and KB don't rely on power they were always known for scoring and that's what Ushijima does best, scoring. Sakusa is more like Lebron minus the brute strength, like Sakusa, Lebron is an all-around good player. Lebron is good at scoring, good at rebounding the ball, good at distributing the ball, good at defense, etc. So in conclusion, Ushijima is like an even more powerful MJ and Sakusa is a less powerful Lebron.
Oh wow!!! i'm the one who edited the solo leveling photo hehe and i actually posted it on fb with a LONG caption why Ushijima is my Number one Ace and why he's still the best Ace!
Ok so this is what my finals pov on this is: Ushijima seems like he'd be he type of person to look scary and is scary? He's a total powerhouse and even though his family didn't really want him being left handed his dad still made the effort for him and now look he's a literal monster. I get confused how Karasuno wins alot if matches and sometimes I wish they didn't win. But yeah I feel like he has the overall power and stuff if u understand what I'm saying and then yeah he has a strong team and then we have basically Sakusa his team does get the upper hand of having a 180cm Libero because if longer body parts and as nishinoya said he would still be a Libero no matter how tall he is. And didn't kuroo say that Itachiyama is one of the favourites to win nationals so they are obviously a strong team along with shiratorizawa but ofc sakusa does get that upper hand with the spikes from that nasty spin on his spikes even seagull head said they are hard to receive I believe but yeah basically it's like a tank Vs a a person with knowledge kinda idk but the power winner is ushijima and the technique and skill goes to Sakusa I wouldn't be surprised if they were both in like first and second
One thing i feel you didn’t put much into consideration would be the fact that Ushi is a left handed ace although I still see everything in sakusas favor that still would’ve been a nice point to add
Sakuse has the edge in spiking because hes shots are harder to receive because hes powerful spins can not be easily received well ushijima can be easily to receive with the proper technique as hinata did in the manga
That's a good point, which is what I was really trying to emphasise during the video that just because Ushijima's spikes have more power in them does not mean they're harder to receive than Sakusa's
but hinata could receive one of his spikes almost at the end ofthe match, but in the previous occasions he could not stop it, the same with sakusa who is excellent receiving the ball even though he was in the right place he could not stop it, the defense of the jackals looked superior to the adlers and still ushijima got a lot of points
sakusa has better spin, but ushijima has a still a very good spin + more strength + 2 variations of spikes that make him harder to predict, so as a spiker ushijima looks better
@@sandygarcia3567 I mean yeah but to be honest if it was Sakusa on the other side it would be a whole different story even kageyama a whole volleyball genius couldn't get sakusas spike up and Hinta is a very well rounded passer and it took him time to Adjust to Ushijima but hes encountered Ushijima before so It wouldn't be completely different but imagine if Hinata had to go up against a completely new and different spike it would probably take him a very long time to get it down In the match. It's not about who has more power it's about who is harder to stop. Ushijima got his spikes digged while sakusa on the other hand didnt. But I still love them both
@@chumbucketssquarepants8201 It took hinata a lot of tries to stop ushijima once, maybe at first it seems an advantage that your attack is more tricky, but after a player gets used to those attacks you are lost. In the case of ushijima that does not happen, because it is pure strength even if you know "the trick" due to the strength he has, he will score in most attempts as it happened to sakuza that even being in the correct position to receive ushijima's attack, he could not stop it.
I am a volleyball player and in my opinion Sakusa's serves would be much harder to receive than Ushijima's because of the spin. I say this because with Ushijima's serves as long as I'm in the right spot I can get the ball up at least, obviously hoping my form doesn't break because of his power, but that isn't too much to worry about. On the other hand, Sakusa's serves, even if i'm in the right spot it'll be extremely difficult to get the ball to go up because the spin will most likely cause it to go off the side of my arm. Both Ushijimia and Sakusa are amazing players though and I don't think I could receive eithers serve!!
I guess an Ace is the player that can score reliably, and if Ushijima and Sakusa were to both go and attempt to score all the points, Ushijima would be able to continue, because Ushijima seems to have more Stamina, and, like how you said, Sakusa would have less. In terms of a point getter, if both were to play in the same position, both would get the job done, so Id say they would be equal. But for qualifying as an ace, Ushijima would fit.
I find this pre hard to judge, as volleyball is a team sport and if one dig goes off or one set goes off it can mess up the hitter and there ability to hit, I feel like they're both good players in there own way and you can't really compare since one is left handed and the other is right sooo...
I disagree about the stamina fs - while ofc all pros have tons of stamina just from what we've seen Ushijima can play a whole game while being at the top of his game or at least close to it throughout and we just haven't seen anything which gives that level of stamina to Sakusa I also disagree about serving I don't think it's as clear cut as how you made it and I think it's very easy to call them equal here - Ushijima's serves have shown to ofc be at the pinnacle of power and he can easily hit ace after ace without receivers even touching the ball - this is similar to their spiking and if you believe that Sakusa's technique makes his spiking equal to Ushijima's which is fair then you have to agree that Ushijima's power and placement behind his serves is 100% equal to Sakusa's spin on his serves I think with his stamina and ability to score just as good if NOT BETTER than Sakusa throughout the game Ushijima would 100% score more points and even though Sakusa's position does get more sets we have repeatedly seen that this does not affect Ushijima's scoring AT ALL - a perfect example is the MSBY vs Adlers game where Ushijima might get less chances than Romero and Hoshiumi BUT still has more points than both Hoshiumi and Romero - both at the elite level with Romero being called a world class ace but still scoring less with more opportunities + this is with Ushijima having to against Hinata who is his counter in the match and the only one who can slow him down albeit barely Overall I think he can attribute to a team better especially when it's built around him as the ace I just can't see him performing any worse than Sakusa and can definitely see him performing better - Sakusa might fit better in a random team but even that is very debateable and any team where Ushijima is the ace he would perform better than Sakusa
I hunk hinatas block was more of a coincidence that wouldn't happen to a powerhouse like ushijima especially since it's a probably strong spike and he randomly jumped not near net it yuh
Can someone tell me who the hell actually won that one Spring tournament where everybody we know or care about got eliminated? Who the hell is that team who beat Itachiyama? Who the hell eliminated Kamomedai? Who the HELL beat Fukurodani in the Finals????
Looking back at the video it definitely sounded like I leaned more into Sakusa (Which I did at the start lol) In saying that I didn't really find anything that could argue that Ushijima was better in Sakusa in anything, so it made making the video much much more easier
in my opinion they are equal they both have there own ability my friend told me you cant win alone. but i dont know much about sakusa team but i do know shiratorizawa and most people dont know about sakusa team so the best team with 6 is probaly ushijimas in my opinion he is the better ace
To think Ushijima is 10kg more than Sakusa, and it's still blowing my mind! Like dude how can someone be so fit! Also pls remember that you compared the weight of the 19-20-year-old Yuji Nishida to the post-time skip Ushijima that is 24 years old Also I love how you use statistic method, research in the Haikyuu world, as well as the real life volleyball to make this content and comparison. Anyway, I love your content keep it up!
Btw, ushijimas position is more referred to as Rightside Hitter.. not many people actually say opposite. Just to help out some other people who would like to start volleyball.
According to Haikyuu stuff, Ojiro is #5, Bokuto #4, Ushijima #3, Kiryuu #2 and Sasuka #1 (the youngest is the #1)... We didn't have a lot of screen time about Itachiyama matchs, we didn't know how Sasuka played before post time skip... So, Ushijima looks really strong and amazing but Sasuka can score more points... Until a wild little Hinata appears!!!! :D Oh, and according to me, Yuji Nishida is a mix of Hinata and Ushijima
The top 3 and Aran - Bokuto are never ranked, it's just stated that Ushijima, Kiryu and Sakusa are top 3 while Bokuto and Aran are the next, and that Bokuto and Aran can occasionally rival the top 3. Kiryu is a bit more skilled than Ushijima and has better jump, but Ushijima is the king of stamina, is left-handed and doesn't have Kiryu's emo mode. Both Sakusa and Kiryu respect Ushijima, though it doesn't necessarily mean that they're worse.
on top of what you said, maybe you said it, but I wanted to point out, like we saw in the national retire with kageyama, how smart sakusa is: like you said, he hasnt got so much power like ushijima but he observes very well his opponent and the disposition of the player in the court to attack right where the opponent is open like when he did that spike at the end of court which was practically impossible to receive. So overall, apart from the things you said, with which I completely agree, sakusa's strenght lies also in his game sense, his intelligence and capability of observing the opponent
Blueninja Billy was also highlighted by Hinata's friend in Brazil along side his wife that him and Hinata would be a pain for Argentina to deal with. Sakusa wasn't highlighted! also I think ushijima is gonna get gradually much better considering he's playing in Poland after.
@@silentloud4267 I think your analysis was very good, but you need to take into account that ushijima has two different types of spikes, spikes with pauses and spikes without pauses, which makes it almost impossible to predict and in Asagi's words that should not even be "legal "Sakusa is a good scorer but definitely ushijima is even more problematic than him in that regard, although I agree that Sakusa is better without a doub in the reception, overal I would say that jackals do the receive better than the adlers so the fact that ushijima scored so many points speaks better of him as a scorer
imo that ushijima's southpaw and strength will not be as effective the higher level you go. In highschool he stomps, but you would need more than that at an international level to be more relevant. even the southpaw wouldnt be as much of an advantage, even though it still is, just because players at an international level will know how to play against you so it's not an insta win. it's like in league where darius is considered broken in low elo but utter garbage in high elo and pro play. Also sakusa actually is confirmed to have won nationals. Not saying that ushijima hasn't won it but i don't think there was anything in the manga that stated that he has.
i think ushijima is the more experienced more athletic player his hes also missing any teammate on his caliber i think uishijima as a individual player is just a greater force on offense and defense
Not fully disagree but you have to check the other outside too because there are two of them and just one opposite so if you combine the two outsides attempts you'll see they're less then twice the opposite's, this is due to situations, preference of the setter, but most of the time hardest balls are set to the opposite cus that's just his job to hit. You can't compare this players on their positions, you have to put them in the same and then see who does better, but this will probably end up in one winning at certain position and loosing in another. Better way is checking the different elements of the sport and seeing how the players excel in them. This missunderstanding is from not being deeply into the sport like being a player or coach but I appreciate your enthusiasm. Keep it up!
I'm talking in real life point of view, seeing a lot of things from being a proffesional player. If you want we can talk a bit I'll be pleased to have a conversation on the topic! :)
Nah I definitely mentioned Ushijima's lefty spin, is just that other players have cited that although Ushijima's spin is nasty Sakusa's spin is even nastier
His left spin doesn't matter anymore as he improved his form to give more power to his spikes coz his left spin can be received by players mid game where as sakusa can put any kind of spin coz of his flexible wrists
Usually the Opposite scores the most Points in a Game and get's the most sets. But it can of course be different from team to team. Also comparing two players from different Positions doesnt make sense and isn't very conclusive.
The better metric would be bokuto’s t shirt. And from that, I think Sakusa takes it (but almost negligible) bc I would probably be more inspired with him as a team mate
As a college volleyball player, I believe that Ushijima is the better ace both before the time skip and after. They are on the Japan national team. So they would be playing teams like USA, Brazil, Italy... These teams have terrible defense when it comes to trying to defend brute force. But Liberos like Shoji practice against serves that are more like Sasuka’s where its not too powerful but lots of spin. On a word stage Ushijima is japan’s beast shot
As a volleyball player myself sheer power isn’t going to help you in volleyball much even though it’s effective there are also quite high chances of defence blocking you but if you have technique you have more probability to score points and we can see with nishida, ishikawa and Bruno rezende they all have power but more importantly technique
I was about to say there's a reason why Sakusa is a starter and Ushijima is benched in the Japan vs Argentina match, then I remember Ushijima was benched in place for Hinata
I want to watch this video but idk if it has spoilers (im assuming it does) and I don’t know if theres a warning if there is a spoiler. Im currently reading the manga since the anime is over and trying to catch up
There are definitely spoilers and I believe I didn't put a spoiler warning for everything. Safe to just finish the manga first and then watch the video
It's amusing that people use Power as the reason why Ushijima is the better ace. That's the same logic that Coach Washijo used. Since Ace is just the position that scores points, they're relatively equally in terms of that aspect in high school even though they're positions should have made their point scoring ratio different (at least according to the one game with Karasuno v. Shiratorzawa - because Ushijima scored HALF the points in that game, which indicates that he was getting sets as much as the outside hitters ). When they go pro, Sakusa's position naturally allows him to score more points because the team is no longer relying on Ushijima's sheer brute force to smash a point in. If either player gets the ball, it's safe to say it's most likely going to be a point for them, but by virtue of his position, Sakusa gets the ball more and thus scores more. Whether you use brute force, a nasty spin, or run around like mad as a decoy, a point is a point; and the more you score, that makes you the "ace" on a team.
Ushijima is not exactly a dumb brute. Sure, he doesn't have to strategize as much as Hinata, Oikawa, Hoshiumi or Sakusa, but he can still be unpredictable. He once tricked Karasuno with a feint, attempted a straight spike but did a cross spike instead which further tricked Karasuno, and he actually pays some attention to accurate ball placement. Not as much as Bokuto, but still noticeable. His post timeskip game sense and technique are both 4/5, quite decent from Haikyuu standards. And while brain might defeat brawn, Ushijima's power is too significant to ignore. Post timeskip, Sakusa (who can receive Oikawa's serve), Inunaki (Jackals libero) and Hinata (who mastered every skills to be a valuable replacement of Barnes) were unable to save Ushijima's spikes simply because of his power. Their skills didn't help them. Ushijima's stamina isn't anything to laugh at either. He can outpace his team and rival Hinata and Kageyama. His spikes are always powerful as ever. Ushijima can be stopped, but Sakusa isn't unstoppable either. Ushijima has defeated him in university, and Heiwajima can receive Sakusa's hits.
I think this was very well made. But for "who is the better spiker" they are so equal so its all down to preference imo. Some people like heavy hitters and see it the best option whereas some see tackling the block and placing like Sakusa as safer as technique beats all. As for everything else, Sakusa beats ushi I agree
Personally, I'm taking Ushijima, because it would be easier to create a team with an amazing Opposite, and Good Outside, then an amazing Outside and a good opposite.
When u explained the opposite, u showed a picture where kagejama wasn't the setter it was hoshiumi. But when u showed the opposite u showed the position opposite to kagejama but the opposite is opposite the setter. For the opposite position u need to be more forceful, because u usually don't get fast sets. Wingspiker are next to setter or next to the middle, so they get faster sets or tactical sets so u need a technical player. For me personally Wakatoshi is the better player cause there are so few good opposites who can play offensive really good. Mostly u have a defense player especially in not professional level, like Daichi. Furudate showed with Wakatoshi the ideal opposite and with Sakusa the ideal Wingspiker. Personaly a better opposite make a bigger difference, therefore i would pick Wakatoshi, cause it's not typical (Not in the top level). For the top level i can't really say it depends on there performance on the day.
Furthermore after the timeskip Hinata played opposite and not middle anymore. Cause after the timeskip hinata is receiving beast so he is defensiv better also he has a high vertical. So u have hinata as a defensive opposite and Wakatoshi as an aggressive opposite. (Hinata was playing middle in Karasuno in the first year cause he was bad in receiving so u can him sub out with the Libero. Furthermore the insane quick. With the opposite position it's hard to pull off quicks.
@@silentloud4267 Prolly the old Little Giant. Nope, Tenma stopped playing after High School and he admitted it himself that Hoshiumi and Hinata have surpassed him.
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Wakatoshi is purely tank based Ace while sakusa is more like technique like how he can curve his wrist so personally, I'd pick Sakusa
My man
me too but high skill come with high maintainence.. i mean he need some specific toss to work his insane spin..
@@afiqfathuddin2623 also when Kageyama says he seems normal, Tomori responds by saying his shoulders felt off then. He must really be wearing himself out and require more maintenance
Couldn't agree mor with you
@@MyMainMan90 Very late response, but Sakusa's physical fitness wasn't exactly on par with Ushiwaka's. His stamina in high school was akin to that of Kei Tsukishima's (3/5) so the wear and tear gets to him a lot quicker. In a five set match, I'd reckon I'm taking Ushiwaka for the long haul. Ushiwaka is arguably more consistent due to his power and stamina as well.
Sakusa seemed to be a bit overall more deft and reilable, but Sakusa strived to be like Ushiwaka in terms of spiking.
Shiratorizawa doesn’t have a bad roster but their game plan is pretty much “let Ushijima spike as much as possible.” Ushijima doesn’t have a player on his squad who’s necessarily renowned in their position on a National level, but took them to the top 8 anyways. I think overall Ushijima does a better job of carrying his team more than any other Ace
Tendo is national caliber. Him and Ushijima were the only reason Shiratorizawa made it so far.
@@kiseryouta9818 you’re right about Tendou but I wouldn’t say they are the only reason. Shiratorizawa is overall a strong team but if we compare rosters a team like Itachiyama has 3 players who could have a case for being the best in their position and we haven’t even seen the rest of the squad
Tendou actually carried shiritorizawa as well
@@rumyomum1747 yeah somehow I forgot about Tendo. He’s definitely National level
*renowned on a National level. I recognize “National level” is a very vague classification
Love sakusa's vibe
Very cool character indeed. Gives you itachi vibes
@@silentloud4267 But the vibes on itachi are far more superior to sakusa.
Hmmm
Love Ushijima yes like very 🔥💖
I want to see a episode of one of sakusa's matches and them telling us who is actually the better ace.
Fingers crossed they'll make like an OVA highlighting that
Well they verse nekoma but it didn't really show much
@@swilgwizhi5896 I think they faced against fukorodani instead of nekoma
WAIT I WANNA SEE HE TIMESKIP THEN ITS MSBY VS KAGS TEAM I FORGOT IT'S NAME BUT ISNT IT SOMETHING LIKE ALDERS? AND APPARENTLY S5 COMES IN 2021
All we know in the story is that ushijima has beaten every top 3 ace in the story. It’s implied that Sakura might have beat ushijima but it’s not outright stated, just that the games between ushijima and sakusa were good games.
Sakusa can wear a libero uniform then play libero and you won't notice a difference.
yes there is
Sakusa can't spike
Well his receives are definitely really good but without his ‘fire’power the team would really be at a loss I guess.
Sakusa has the better technique which leads him in his high position. Generally if we are going based on the actual skill of the players Sakusa is better than that but we must thank Wakatoshi because depending on the team it might be harder to find someone to set for you if your left handed
That's very true, I'm sure Wakatoshi will have fun in the Olympics tho considering Kageyama is the one setting for him
Pre-time skip: Ushijima
Post-time skip: Sakusa
This
What about kiryuu
@@kunalkhati7505 I feel like it’s the general consensus that Kiryu is just a step behind these two. He Hs Ushijima was able to get his team to a top 8 position which is impressive because other then himself there really isn’t another “Star Player” maybe besides Tendo. While on the other hand Sakusa was a champion in the Inter-high nationals. Kiryu obviously we don’t know where his team we’re placed. In the pre-time skip he was just to insecure with his abilities as an ace while he is comparable to Ushijima in strength and is stated as an better all rounder it’s just his mentality that held him back. If I had to chose a person to Toss to it’s gonna be Ushijima>Kiryu just because Ushijima will slam it all the time without hesitation. Sakusa on the other hand is just to tricky of player and is a fantastic defender. Obviously post-time skip we didn’t get to see him play.
@@kirayoshikage8007 kiryus team was top 8 or top 4 at the inter high. I know they lost to inaraziki at the inter high and they were top 8 at the spring high. Also I feel like his team is the worst out of the 3. He really just doesn’t get talked about bc the 1 game we saw him play in bokuto stole the show. I just checked kiryu was top 4 at the inter high.
@@ctmyers896 was he top 4 can you send the link?
i agree and people use the argument that ushi puts a lot more pressure which makes a lot of sense but power can be countered, sakusas spin is insane.... im not saying it cant be countered but his technique is phenomenal and during the msby match his recieves are amazing, he got the first service ace and he was the the MVP during college. i love ushi a lot and the argument that hes better is solid but in my personal opinion id have to go with sakusa. hes also a pretty cool character in general and on top of that, pre timeskip he was literally a second year 😦
You couldn't have said it any better, the MVP part during college is a good point to which I completely forget to mention in the video
Power isn’t countered on the world stage in the olympics, Digs are extremely rare for any team other than the Japanese
@@chipbaldwin2440 im talking ab haikyuu lol, im not sure ab irl volleyball but from what we've seen in haikyuu power can be countered :]
@@tvgirl-x4l Yes when we are talking about Hauikyu we are talking about the Japan teams or japan national team
I’m pretty sure Sakusa acknowledged ushijima had a harder spin in one of his flashbacks
If an ace is someone who scores more points then Hinata should be ace of Karasuno, because he scores more points than Asahi but I think the ace is categorized as being the most consistent and reliable player who can score in a pinch, thus making Asahi the ace
Ace is more of a more reliable hitter
Like lets say the second touch is going to be terrible
Asahi is more likely going to have a better hit than Hinata
also Asahi is more likely to score a point when up against a proper 3 man block than Hinata
Sure Hinata scores more points throughout the game
But he usually gets a point when the toss is good and when the block is messed up or when there is no blocker
Bro i have seen more asahi betting blocked than hinata wtf are you even saying like asahi has been blocked atleast 3x times more
@@BrokenSIMGlasses that's called the x factor dude. guys like ushijima, mad dog, asahi has power as x factor but guys like hinata have x factor like speed, agility, confusing the blocker etc.
@@seekingthelight6561 he’s the main character what do u expect the director d rides hinata
@@seekingthelight6561 oh my my just wait for my man asahi to shine. He will put Wakatoshi to shame
I think you're wrong about one thing in particular. The notion that both Sakusa and Ushijima are equal in scoring potential is wrong in my opinion. There are a lot of mechanics which go in Wakatoshi's favor that aren't just "strength" and "southpaw" spin. The fact that he uses his left arm and approaches from the right side already gives him a latent advantage because most blockers will instinctively block the right side of his body and not his left, and for them to properly deny his left arm they'd need to fully shift themselves to that point but by doing that they leave a lot of room for him to cut. This is actually why he's always double marked, there's no way of covering his side at all. Now when he's double blocked it's imperative that the blockers need to either be equal in reach, jump at the same time, and of course jump high enough to block the ball at its apex.
Off the bat the defense has to practically fill three objectives to even block him, and you could say that's true for all blockers but we've constantly see Ushiwaka actively take advantage of disparities in two-man blocks to target the lower blocker and smack it down on the weaker side. If the blockers aren't in place and there's a gap he can hit it straight through, and we ignore that Ushiwaka is pretty generous to never use quicks. If he ever just wanted to break the game he could request a quick set every time and break records, and if that wasn't enough even IF they got everything right, he could just spike clear over the blocks like we see in 9:37. Sakusa's biggest strength is block outs, gaps, crosses and straights. All spikers worthy of the top 5 can do that, its the fact that Ushijima can just ignore defenses and spike over and around if he wants that makes him all that imposing. Sakusa uses his skill because that's the only way he can score, Ushijima uses his pure strength because it's the simplest way but when we see later on in the game, he begins to make use of more skillful tactics.
Ushijima is narratively written as the better one of the three as well, you can see this through all members actively looking "up" to Ushijima rather than viewing them as equals. Sakusa often questions how Kageyama beat Ushijima and doesn't believe something like that is doable for a reason, and that's because he's narratively the better of the trio. He also canonically beats Kiryuu and Motoya in Junior High, so that's that.
They feel more like rivals to me. Sakusa seems to respect Ushijima, and likewise Ushijima to Sakusa
IMO i think sakusa is better because you left out the fact that he can tool the block and has one of the best ball placement in all of the characters in Haikyuu. Sakusa also has some pretty good strength and can receive much better. overall sakusa is better imo
Yeah completely forgot about him tooling blocks
Idk about you guys but I've played volleyball alot and if I was at match point and had to give the set to anyone it would be Ushijima..
I don't think Sakusa comes close in terms of strength power and athleticism
And Ushijima doesn't come close in terms of his technique
But it's still hard to chose since they're so different from each other
I'd like to call this a Volleyball genius Vs Volleyball monster
"Volleyball genius vs Volleyball monster" is defs a perfect way to describe it
Yeah but think about it like this If you have set one of them at the end of the game the passers and blockers are gonna be warmed up so who would you rather have a person who has a lot power but can still have his spike recieved and or blocked or have some one who can tool the block and even if the passers get under the ball they still wouldn't be able to get it up
Sakusa is the ultimate all-around player and genuinely the only player in Japan with "no real weaknesses," given he's the only one without a stat below 8/10. Even Hinata and Hoshiumi, with composite scores of 53/60 just like Sakusa who has 53/60, possess a 7/10 each in blocking, making it their clear weakest aspect.
Ushiwaka plays solid on defense but it is obvious that offense is his forte. He's also not relied on in the backrow for defense because of his ability to put the ball away being more exemplified without having to play defense.
Sakusa doesn't come close in terms of raw athleticism. Ushijima is equally quick on the court, jumps higher, hits harder, has more stamina.
In terms of technique, it's not "Ushijima doesn't come close." Ushijima's spiking techniques are far more advanced than Sakusa's, and his passing form is virtually flawlessed. If anything, Sakusa is just more 'skilled,' not 'more technically proficient.'
It's a hard choice, though, because what you want from either player just depends on the team you want to run or whatever is missing from your team.
Both of them are volleyball geniuses and monsters.
But I think that Ushijima is still better even if sakusa does more points Ushijima can mark in plenty of sutiation
Yeah let's hope we see in an anime only episode where they pinpoint who actually is the better ace
@@silentloud4267 I think the point wasn't to deduce who was better. I think in the timeskip, virtually everyone is equal even if the stats suggest otherwise.
lmao i love how he basically said yuji nishida is ushijima in real life XD
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ushijima was somewhat based on Nishida, but in saying that when Haikyuu started Nishida wasn't the star he is today so there's that as well
Wait is Wakatoshi left handed, love that bc im also left handed-
Lowkey wish I was left handed as well
@@silentloud4267 lmao I’m left handed 😏
finally happy to be the only left handed person I know🙌✌️😗
@@silentloud4267 bro you won't i swear my head always git hit when i open a door every time
lol fair enough
Y’know I had a pretty good team last year. We had a 6’4 southpaw who had mad hops. A prodigy with powerful jump serves. A 6’0 middle who blocked almost every ball, and, most importantly, and incredible dashing Libero who never let the ball touch the ground. The sad part was the rest of the team couldn’t really spike or anything so we got predictable. We were like shiratorizawa and Dateko mixed into one. Of course most of the sets went to our Ushijima. But the setter wasn’t consistent so our Southpaw never got a run up in and still averaged 15-20 points a game. It was really a one man show. I always brag to my friends that I’m in Shiratorizawa but looking at the Haikyu team. One man can’t carry a team. 28-29 to the other team. Setter sets to Ushijima. I yell “SMASH IT” blocked. They got used to him. No one followed up because he tended to spike
Over the block. Low set low spike. Lost game. I forgot to mention out Ushijima is 14. Like what the hell. Our oldest player was 15. And he was 5’5.
wtf 6'4 14 year old? Did i get that right?
@@dylanbradbury5205 genes man they sometimes say fuck you and then make you stop growing at 5'4
You probably had Ushijima along with a maximum powered version of Tendou. Dateko has multiple skilled blockers, not just Aone.
@@rudraakram3879 Tbh in hindsight it was just a shit team ahaha. The lefty is now in Oak Hill playing basketball. So he dun left
@@dylanbradbury5205I'm 5'9 and I'm literally a 12 years old
Hinata after Time skip will end these twos whole career
For sure
hes the main protagonist lol but in reality it will be sooo different
I feel as if its more like hes finally on their level
@@Caminopoi66 So the other two didnt improve that much? For me its just hes the main protagonist. Those two were genius at the game not just above average player, in reality they have higher ceiling which means they will improve drastically as well.
@@yoink9148 nah hinata's just better
Well according to his cousin Sakusa still got a ways to go if he wants to match up against Ushiwaka and according to Final Guide Book Sakusa was Acknowledging Ushijima's skills and attitude towards Volleyball since Middle School (Ushijima became his aspiration)
But without Ushijima, do you think Sakusa and Hinata will get better? Not only them also Kiryū and Kageyama and Oikawa.
That's true, you have a good point
just because you idolize someone doesnt mean you are worse than them since he couldve idolized ushijima for his power so thats a pretty bold assumption
@@vin6190 did I say that Sakusa is worse? My point is simple Ushijima is still the Japan's number 1 ace. And for the update, Furudate confirmed it.
source where furudate said that?@@johnchristiannramos8054
Idk i would go with ushijima just because i think nobody can put pressure like him he is just so hard to play against mentally i don’t mean that does not go for sakusa but ushijima just makes you feel you are in front of unstoppable force with much much pressure
Yeah nah that's fair enough
ushijima is like "im gonna beat you"
sakusa is like "i dont give a fck"
this also makes me wonder if sakusa’s spikes aim for injury
The official stats were released!
Ushijima (jumping reach: 350 cm)
Serve: 10/10
Serve Reception: 7/10
Dig: 8/10
Setting: 7/10
Spike: 10/10
Block: 8/10
Sakusa (jumping reach: 345 cm)
Serve: 9/10
Serve Reception: 10/10
Dig: 8/10
Setting: 8/10
Spike: 10/10
Block: 8/10
Ushijima is better offensively, Sakusa is better defensively.
that's odd
I am pretty sure Sakusa is much better at digging compare to Ushijima
@@BrokenSIMGlasses They're both shown to be very solid at digs. Sakusa does have a better serve receive, though.
Yeah I think Omi's digs are better. If not 10 then prolly 9
he's just made to dig more. ushijima is the offensive weapon of the team alongside hinata for team japan. was confirmed in the last chapter that they were Japanese key players besides atsumu and Kageyama who will need to use them at 100% of their abilities too beat Argentina.
@@Spartt204 yeah Hinata is basically the answer to all of the team's weaknesses and Ushiwaka is just the guaranteed kill you want haha. A guy whose ball trajectory is unpredictable, whose power is unrivaled, and bears the lefty swing which already puts him at an unfair advantage. Both are one of a kind.
That lebron and curry comparison is so accurate HAHAHAHA
Had to pull it out so I could drill my point
@@silentloud4267 the problem is Lebron is an elite defender whereas Curry is just above average , while Sakusa is the elite defender with Ushiwaka being solid but not spectacular. On offense I agree though
sakusa
9/10 defense
9/10 spin
8/10 power
9/10 game sense
ushijima
8/10 defense
8/10 spin
10/10 power
8/10 game sense
Sakusa spin 10
Idk where you got the stats from brother but it definitely looks about right
Power 11/10*
I would plus 1 spin for both people and give one more defence for ushijima because he was the one who inspired Hinata.
To anyone saying "but ushijimas power is better" power can be countered by a good defense, such as nishinoya, and sakusa both receiving his straights, but sakusa's spin would be a lot harder to counter. Sakusa can (most likely) use the flexibility of his wrists to spin the ball multiple different ways to where it would be much more difficult to actually receive or block his hits.
Well if you get used to Sakusa's spike it can also be counter by a good defense, just like in the match against Ushijima, Nishinoya weren't able to receive Ushijima's attack at first because he's left handed which has a unique spin to the ball just like Sakusa's flexible wrist, the spin might not be as nasty as Sakusa's but Ushijima's power makes his left hand spin on par with Sakusa's nasty spin imo, they basically have similar yet different weapon
@@CheesyDale Heiwajima can receive Sakusa's hits.
Ushijima has a lefty spin on his spikes too. If his raw power wont kill you, the lefty spin will compensate
I disagree, we know that even ushijima can put a lot of spin with Just sheer force. We know that in middle school he was able to surpass sakusa spin by sheer force(sakusa was amazed that someone could put more spin than him on a ball). He jumps higher, hit stronger, Is a Better blocker. Itachyama was considered the best team at the Nationals but without the setter they Lost to a team tha Lost the next game. Ushijima Is single handedly able to change the course of a game. From what we have seen of 3 of the other four top 5 spikers, no One of them Is able to polarize the game as ushijima can.
We also know that ushijima Is a Monster even in the tecnical field. He changed the course of the Spike mid air in the game(nishinoya was impressed and didn't even know It was possible), so i dont see why should he be considered less skilled. And dont forget that he Is lefty. The blockers have to adapt to his form, also the spin Is different, noya that Is One of the best libero in the nation needed 1 set Just to be used to the spin.
We should also consider the fact of having a player Like ushijima in the team, the fact of being lefty makes him play Like a Wing spiker in the opposite position, having the possibility of playing with two cannons instead of One and a good defensive player.
Last but not the least stats are shit. Mika(suguru girlfriend) has 4/5 in game sense, the Same of Oikawa. Also She has 3/5 in Power while Hinata has 1/5.
Not hate towards Miracle boy Wakatoshi but Ushijimas block is literally horrible and it hasn't even changed in the time skip so idk about the blocking portion
@@chumbucketssquarepants8201 why do you Say ushijima blocks are horrible?
@@mence5992 You can watch back the Match between shritirizowa and karasuno and Manga match between Black Jackals and Msby in those matches he constantly gets hit over and or hit through. Theres literally a whole scene in the Karasuno match when Asahi Blows through him and it still doesnt get better in the manga it's a huge plot hole but I let it slide because he's such a good player but for his position he should be at least semi decent at blocking
Fax
Im going to disagree. The manga states that sakusa's SPIN is more difficult to handle than ushijama's, not his spikes overall. Nasty spin is effective against receives, not so much against blocks. Playing against blocks requires power, spike height, knowing angles to wipe and executing the spikes accurately, being able to read the blocks, and having counter measures when you get countered (ushijima, bokuto, hoshiumi and post skip hinata showed the most ability in most of these departments). The ace main role is to spike through blocks when the recieve is off, and sakusa is not particularly suited for that. He is the most effective when paired with with players that can open up the block for him, such as hinata or bokuto so he can exert his full potential botching recieves with his spin. And That's why he is playing WS as a pro and not opposite.
Man , Sakusa's wrists is super agile, he is able to spike it wherever he wants bc of that, so block often doesn't work vs his spike, and on top of that , an opposite team should try to receive his super spinning spike
I hope u get my point
@@billiejean1310 Blocks Always work because they restrict space. The only way in which they wouldnt be so effective would be if you were particularly amazing at tooling them or overpowering them via spike height or sheer power. Sakusa was not stated nor shown to have those abilities. Wrist fleixibility can take you so far if it is not paired up with other skills, and sakusa was never stated to have those at an elite level.
@@feedfrc6861 I told u they can't block him, but I didnt tell u about restrictions. After all u have to receive his spike, do u understand what I mean?
The “ace” main role isn’t to spike through blocks, their role is to be the most reliable on the team. The reason the outside hitter gets the set when the offense is out of system because typically, the outside hitter will be able to keep the ball in play. whereas shiratorizawa, ushijima was the most reliable because he was the strongest hitter in his team. Also, to be a pro you have to have immense power, and yes ushijima is stronger but that doesn’t mean sakusa is purely wrist flick. he too has insane power as demonstrated by his jumpserve. he is more reliable on defense and actually has to participate in defense, if he or ushijima has to set the ball i guarantee you you would want sakusa to set you instead of ushijima. also in terms of going against blockers he has the advantage. Lefties are strong because the spin on the ball is different for the recievers. Ushijima is strong due to this AND because he knows how to see the block. Sakusa has the advantage because he sees the block just as well, and actually is more deceptive because you can’t really tell which angle he will hit, and can easily hit strong with right spin and make the ball hit off the blocker into the antenna for a point. ushijima is strong, but id say sakusa is the better ace.
Personally I think Ushijima’s left hand thing is an advantage along with his power, but both of them are amazing and they both respect each other
I think the comparaison of those 2 characters can be translate to real life with yuji nishida(ushikawa) and Thibault rossard(sakusa)
The Lebron and Curry comparison is really good
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but I read the manga and there was only a little explanation about Sakusa's overall abilities, so: The author show us at least one game played by the National top5, Aran Ojiro, Bokuto, Ushiwaka and Kiryu. Now I'm in the post-time skip but i'd would like to see how's the top1 Highschool ace is like
Honestly didn’t notice him when he got mentioned in season 2 like I practically tuned out his name for some reason when it was mentioned. And now here I am absolutely loving him low key.
0:06 Having them compared with Barca and Madrid is genus
Great analogy to the NBA but i'll compare it a little more detailed: Ushijima is more like Michael jordan or Kobe Bryant (RIP forever), while MJ and KB don't rely on power they were always known for scoring and that's what Ushijima does best, scoring. Sakusa is more like Lebron minus the brute strength, like Sakusa, Lebron is an all-around good player. Lebron is good at scoring, good at rebounding the ball, good at distributing the ball, good at defense, etc. So in conclusion, Ushijima is like an even more powerful MJ and Sakusa is a less powerful Lebron.
Oh wow!!! i'm the one who edited the solo leveling photo hehe and i actually posted it on fb with a LONG caption why Ushijima is my Number one Ace and why he's still the best Ace!
Ok so this is what my finals pov on this is:
Ushijima seems like he'd be he type of person to look scary and is scary? He's a total powerhouse and even though his family didn't really want him being left handed his dad still made the effort for him and now look he's a literal monster. I get confused how Karasuno wins alot if matches and sometimes I wish they didn't win. But yeah I feel like he has the overall power and stuff if u understand what I'm saying and then yeah he has a strong team and then we have basically Sakusa his team does get the upper hand of having a 180cm Libero because if longer body parts and as nishinoya said he would still be a Libero no matter how tall he is. And didn't kuroo say that Itachiyama is one of the favourites to win nationals so they are obviously a strong team along with shiratorizawa but ofc sakusa does get that upper hand with the spikes from that nasty spin on his spikes even seagull head said they are hard to receive I believe but yeah basically it's like a tank Vs a a person with knowledge kinda idk but the power winner is ushijima and the technique and skill goes to Sakusa I wouldn't be surprised if they were both in like first and second
Lol'd @ "seagull head"
One thing i feel you didn’t put much into consideration would be the fact that Ushi is a left handed ace although I still see everything in sakusas favor that still would’ve been a nice point to add
Not gonna watch cause of spoilers but What chapter should I start reading the manga if I’ve seen all of the anime episodes?
i believe it should be chapter 293
Sakuse has the edge in spiking because hes shots are harder to receive because hes powerful spins can not be easily received well ushijima can be easily to receive with the proper technique as hinata did in the manga
That's a good point, which is what I was really trying to emphasise during the video that just because Ushijima's spikes have more power in them does not mean they're harder to receive than Sakusa's
but hinata could receive one of his spikes almost at the end ofthe match, but in the previous occasions he could not stop it, the same with sakusa who is excellent receiving the ball even though he was in the right place he could not stop it, the defense of the jackals looked superior to the adlers and still ushijima got a lot of points
sakusa has better spin, but ushijima has a still a very good spin + more strength + 2 variations of spikes that make him harder to predict, so as a spiker ushijima looks better
@@sandygarcia3567 I mean yeah but to be honest if it was Sakusa on the other side it would be a whole different story even kageyama a whole volleyball genius couldn't get sakusas spike up and Hinta is a very well rounded passer and it took him time to Adjust to Ushijima but hes encountered Ushijima before so It wouldn't be completely different but imagine if Hinata had to go up against a completely new and different spike it would probably take him a very long time to get it down In the match. It's not about who has more power it's about who is harder to stop. Ushijima got his spikes digged while sakusa on the other hand didnt. But I still love them both
@@chumbucketssquarepants8201 It took hinata a lot of tries to stop ushijima once, maybe at first it seems an advantage that your attack is more tricky, but after a player gets used to those attacks you are lost. In the case of ushijima that does not happen, because it is pure strength even if you know "the trick" due to the strength he has, he will score in most attempts as it happened to sakuza that even being in the correct position to receive ushijima's attack, he could not stop it.
I am a volleyball player and in my opinion Sakusa's serves would be much harder to receive than Ushijima's because of the spin. I say this because with Ushijima's serves as long as I'm in the right spot I can get the ball up at least, obviously hoping my form doesn't break because of his power, but that isn't too much to worry about. On the other hand, Sakusa's serves, even if i'm in the right spot it'll be extremely difficult to get the ball to go up because the spin will most likely cause it to go off the side of my arm. Both Ushijimia and Sakusa are amazing players though and I don't think I could receive eithers serve!!
I guess an Ace is the player that can score reliably, and if Ushijima and Sakusa were to both go and attempt to score all the points, Ushijima would be able to continue, because Ushijima seems to have more Stamina, and, like how you said, Sakusa would have less.
In terms of a point getter, if both were to play in the same position, both would get the job done, so Id say they would be equal.
But for qualifying as an ace, Ushijima would fit.
I find this pre hard to judge, as volleyball is a team sport and if one dig goes off or one set goes off it can mess up the hitter and there ability to hit, I feel like they're both good players in there own way and you can't really compare since one is left handed and the other is right sooo...
Its easier to practise against left handed hitters than Sakusa spin type
I disagree about the stamina fs - while ofc all pros have tons of stamina just from what we've seen Ushijima can play a whole game while being at the top of his game or at least close to it throughout and we just haven't seen anything which gives that level of stamina to Sakusa
I also disagree about serving I don't think it's as clear cut as how you made it and I think it's very easy to call them equal here - Ushijima's serves have shown to ofc be at the pinnacle of power and he can easily hit ace after ace without receivers even touching the ball - this is similar to their spiking and if you believe that Sakusa's technique makes his spiking equal to Ushijima's which is fair then you have to agree that Ushijima's power and placement behind his serves is 100% equal to Sakusa's spin on his serves
I think with his stamina and ability to score just as good if NOT BETTER than Sakusa throughout the game Ushijima would 100% score more points and even though Sakusa's position does get more sets we have repeatedly seen that this does not affect Ushijima's scoring AT ALL - a perfect example is the MSBY vs Adlers game where Ushijima might get less chances than Romero and Hoshiumi BUT still has more points than both Hoshiumi and Romero - both at the elite level with Romero being called a world class ace but still scoring less with more opportunities + this is with Ushijima having to against Hinata who is his counter in the match and the only one who can slow him down albeit barely
Overall I think he can attribute to a team better especially when it's built around him as the ace I just can't see him performing any worse than Sakusa and can definitely see him performing better - Sakusa might fit better in a random team but even that is very debateable and any team where Ushijima is the ace he would perform better than Sakusa
5:58 Ushijima was blocked twice during the finals against Karasuno(1 for Tsukishima, and another for Hinata).
I hunk hinatas block was more of a coincidence that wouldn't happen to a powerhouse like ushijima especially since it's a probably strong spike and he randomly jumped not near net it yuh
Someone finally said it!
Aran kun I'm glad you agree
Since this video got more views than I initially expected. Comment down below what other versus battles that you guys wanna see!
That basketball analogy was so accurate lmfao
After timeskip ushijima is strong as f**k
Can someone tell me who the hell actually won that one Spring tournament where everybody we know or care about got eliminated?
Who the hell is that team who beat Itachiyama? Who the hell eliminated Kamomedai? Who the HELL beat Fukurodani in the Finals????
Fukurodani made it to Finals. But lost in a 5 set game against a Unknown Team.
Itachiyama lost to Inubushi, Kamomedai lost to Ichibayashi.
It is Obviously Bokuto
True Bokuto does have complete victory over Ushijima
Aone and Oikawa played for Shiritorizawa (Ushujimzas team) then then they have demolished Karosono and have been a Major contender for Nationals
Good Video but a little mistake, when you explained the positions 4:42 komori is the opposite hitter not machida
I love Ushi but Omi Omi is just *Chef's kiss* ✨Sakusa Kiyoomi✨ supremacy 🙇♀️
You sounded like you personally supported Sakusa
Don't worry man Mee too😂
Looking back at the video it definitely sounded like I leaned more into Sakusa (Which I did at the start lol) In saying that I didn't really find anything that could argue that Ushijima was better in Sakusa in anything, so it made making the video much much more easier
I would choose because he has power the guy literally spikes made tsukishima hands blide
in my opinion they are equal they both have there own ability my friend told me you cant win alone. but i dont know much about sakusa team but i do know shiratorizawa and most people dont know about sakusa team so the best team with 6 is probaly ushijimas in my opinion he is the better ace
Sakusa kiyoomi is a god at almost everything if not everything in volleyball
To think Ushijima is 10kg more than Sakusa, and it's still blowing my mind! Like dude how can someone be so fit!
Also pls remember that you compared the weight of the 19-20-year-old Yuji Nishida to the post-time skip Ushijima that is 24 years old
Also I love how you use statistic method, research in the Haikyuu world, as well as the real life volleyball to make this content and comparison.
Anyway, I love your content keep it up!
Btw, ushijimas position is more referred to as Rightside Hitter.. not many people actually say opposite. Just to help out some other people who would like to start volleyball.
Bokuto ask Tsuki tu beat Ushijima,then bokuto will be the best..so Ushijima is the best perhaps ?
Why u underrated bro
Sometimes I ask myself the same question
According to Haikyuu stuff, Ojiro is #5, Bokuto #4, Ushijima #3, Kiryuu #2 and Sasuka #1 (the youngest is the #1)... We didn't have a lot of screen time about Itachiyama matchs, we didn't know how Sasuka played before post time skip... So, Ushijima looks really strong and amazing but Sasuka can score more points...
Until a wild little Hinata appears!!!! :D
Oh, and according to me, Yuji Nishida is a mix of Hinata and Ushijima
The top 3 and Aran - Bokuto are never ranked, it's just stated that Ushijima, Kiryu and Sakusa are top 3 while Bokuto and Aran are the next, and that Bokuto and Aran can occasionally rival the top 3. Kiryu is a bit more skilled than Ushijima and has better jump, but Ushijima is the king of stamina, is left-handed and doesn't have Kiryu's emo mode. Both Sakusa and Kiryu respect Ushijima, though it doesn't necessarily mean that they're worse.
on top of what you said, maybe you said it, but I wanted to point out, like we saw in the national retire with kageyama, how smart sakusa is: like you said, he hasnt got so much power like ushijima but he observes very well his opponent and the disposition of the player in the court to attack right where the opponent is open like when he did that spike at the end of court which was practically impossible to receive. So overall, apart from the things you said, with which I completely agree, sakusa's strenght lies also in his game sense, his intelligence and capability of observing the opponent
I just started watching anime and I know what manga is but how do you know what happened
This is all facts
I mean Ushiwaka goes on to become the ace of japan
Are you referring to the chapter where they call Ushiwaka "Japan's biggest cannon" ?
@@silentloud4267 chapter 402 when meeting tendou it says he is the ace of japan volleyball
Blueninja Billy was also highlighted by Hinata's friend in Brazil along side his wife that him and Hinata would be a pain for Argentina to deal with. Sakusa wasn't highlighted! also I think ushijima is gonna get gradually much better considering he's playing in Poland after.
Just saw this man but yeah nah that's a good point
@@silentloud4267 I think your analysis was very good, but you need to take into account that ushijima has two different types of spikes, spikes with pauses and spikes without pauses, which makes it almost impossible to predict and in Asagi's words that should not even be "legal "Sakusa is a good scorer but definitely ushijima is even more problematic than him in that regard, although I agree that Sakusa is better without a doub in the reception, overal I would say that jackals do the receive better than the adlers so the fact that ushijima scored so many points speaks better of him as a scorer
imo that ushijima's southpaw and strength will not be as effective the higher level you go. In highschool he stomps, but you would need more than that at an international level to be more relevant. even the southpaw wouldnt be as much of an advantage, even though it still is, just because players at an international level will know how to play against you so it's not an insta win. it's like in league where darius is considered broken in low elo but utter garbage in high elo and pro play. Also sakusa actually is confirmed to have won nationals. Not saying that ushijima hasn't won it but i don't think there was anything in the manga that stated that he has.
Quite the opposite, Digs are rare for any national team that isn’t Japan.
Sakusa was in the strongest team
Sakusa had Motoya and a skilled setter by his side. Ushijima had no one.
i think ushijima is the more experienced more athletic player his hes also missing any teammate on his caliber i think uishijima as a individual player is just a greater force on offense and defense
Sakura has flexible wrist for top spin ushijima has a south pow power hard to dig
Hey guys I know it’s been a while, I’m thinking of making a comeback. What would u guys want to see
Not fully disagree but you have to check the other outside too because there are two of them and just one opposite so if you combine the two outsides attempts you'll see they're less then twice the opposite's, this is due to situations, preference of the setter, but most of the time hardest balls are set to the opposite cus that's just his job to hit. You can't compare this players on their positions, you have to put them in the same and then see who does better, but this will probably end up in one winning at certain position and loosing in another. Better way is checking the different elements of the sport and seeing how the players excel in them. This missunderstanding is from not being deeply into the sport like being a player or coach but I appreciate your enthusiasm. Keep it up!
I'm talking in real life point of view, seeing a lot of things from being a proffesional player. If you want we can talk a bit I'll be pleased to have a conversation on the topic! :)
Appreciate the feedback man Cheers!
But how can we forget about ushijima's lefty spin which is itself quite unorthodox to recieve
Nah I definitely mentioned Ushijima's lefty spin, is just that other players have cited that although Ushijima's spin is nasty Sakusa's spin is even nastier
His left spin doesn't matter anymore as he improved his form to give more power to his spikes coz his left spin can be received by players mid game where as sakusa can put any kind of spin coz of his flexible wrists
When u said spoilers I thought it wasn’t gonna be a lot so I stayed... the first 10 seconds after instant click away
I waited 2 years to watch this and if it’s not Sakusa I will cry
Usually the Opposite scores the most Points in a Game and get's the most sets. But it can of course be different from team to team. Also comparing two players from different Positions doesnt make sense and isn't very conclusive.
there is no one who come close to my man when its come to raw power i repeat no one ushjima is a beast so wakatoshi over sakusa any day
best ace: ushijima.
best player: sakusa.
I was 21 when I reached 6'2" height & still weights 84kg now I am 23 & Around 6'3" but weight still 84kg & I am left handed & always played opposite.
Team sakusa have right to like this comment
I just want to Know who Defeated shiratorizawa in Nationals
I briefly covered it in my video " What if Oikawa Joined Shiratorizawa" Shiratorizawa we're most likely defeated by Inarizaki in the quarter finals
it feels like ushijima wields a claymore that brutalizes the shield whereas, sakusa a curved blade that goes around the shield with dexterity.
The better metric would be bokuto’s t shirt. And from that, I think Sakusa takes it (but almost negligible) bc I would probably be more inspired with him as a team mate
I feel like sakusa will be better racking up pints when there ahead while ushijima would be better if they were losing
I haven't read the manga, i still stayed :D but like i actually wanna read the manga so can someone say/recommend where can/should i read it 👀
As a college volleyball player, I believe that Ushijima is the better ace both before the time skip and after. They are on the Japan national team. So they would be playing teams like USA, Brazil, Italy... These teams have terrible defense when it comes to trying to defend brute force. But Liberos like Shoji practice against serves that are more like Sasuka’s where its not too powerful but lots of spin. On a word stage Ushijima is japan’s beast shot
As a volleyball player myself sheer power isn’t going to help you in volleyball much even though it’s effective there are also quite high chances of defence blocking you but if you have technique you have more probability to score points and we can see with nishida, ishikawa and Bruno rezende they all have power but more importantly technique
I was about to say there's a reason why Sakusa is a starter and Ushijima is benched in the Japan vs Argentina match, then I remember Ushijima was benched in place for Hinata
Sakusa can receive very well
I want to watch this video but idk if it has spoilers (im assuming it does) and I don’t know if theres a warning if there is a spoiler. Im currently reading the manga since the anime is over and trying to catch up
There are definitely spoilers and I believe I didn't put a spoiler warning for everything. Safe to just finish the manga first and then watch the video
@@silentloud4267 okay then i’ll be back after finishing the manga, thanks for the reply
It's amusing that people use Power as the reason why Ushijima is the better ace. That's the same logic that Coach Washijo used. Since Ace is just the position that scores points, they're relatively equally in terms of that aspect in high school even though they're positions should have made their point scoring ratio different (at least according to the one game with Karasuno v. Shiratorzawa - because Ushijima scored HALF the points in that game, which indicates that he was getting sets as much as the outside hitters ). When they go pro, Sakusa's position naturally allows him to score more points because the team is no longer relying on Ushijima's sheer brute force to smash a point in. If either player gets the ball, it's safe to say it's most likely going to be a point for them, but by virtue of his position, Sakusa gets the ball more and thus scores more. Whether you use brute force, a nasty spin, or run around like mad as a decoy, a point is a point; and the more you score, that makes you the "ace" on a team.
Spot on bro, this is literally the point I was trying to drill on the video. Great minds think alike
one of make ushiwaka better he has lot stamina as super ace.
Ushijima is not exactly a dumb brute. Sure, he doesn't have to strategize as much as Hinata, Oikawa, Hoshiumi or Sakusa, but he can still be unpredictable. He once tricked Karasuno with a feint, attempted a straight spike but did a cross spike instead which further tricked Karasuno, and he actually pays some attention to accurate ball placement. Not as much as Bokuto, but still noticeable. His post timeskip game sense and technique are both 4/5, quite decent from Haikyuu standards.
And while brain might defeat brawn, Ushijima's power is too significant to ignore. Post timeskip, Sakusa (who can receive Oikawa's serve), Inunaki (Jackals libero) and Hinata (who mastered every skills to be a valuable replacement of Barnes) were unable to save Ushijima's spikes simply because of his power. Their skills didn't help them.
Ushijima's stamina isn't anything to laugh at either. He can outpace his team and rival Hinata and Kageyama. His spikes are always powerful as ever.
Ushijima can be stopped, but Sakusa isn't unstoppable either. Ushijima has defeated him in university, and Heiwajima can receive Sakusa's hits.
I can't choose I love both
I think this was very well made. But for "who is the better spiker" they are so equal so its all down to preference imo. Some people like heavy hitters and see it the best option whereas some see tackling the block and placing like Sakusa as safer as technique beats all. As for everything else, Sakusa beats ushi I agree
Personally, I'm taking Ushijima, because it would be easier to create a team with an amazing Opposite, and Good Outside, then an amazing Outside and a good opposite.
where do you read the mangga of haikyuu?
Pre sure you can easily find it online man. Either that or the Vizmanga App
When u explained the opposite, u showed a picture where kagejama wasn't the setter it was hoshiumi. But when u showed the opposite u showed the position opposite to kagejama but the opposite is opposite the setter.
For the opposite position u need to be more forceful, because u usually don't get fast sets. Wingspiker are next to setter or next to the middle, so they get faster sets or tactical sets so u need a technical player.
For me personally Wakatoshi is the better player cause there are so few good opposites who can play offensive really good. Mostly u have a defense player especially in not professional level, like Daichi.
Furudate showed with Wakatoshi the ideal opposite and with Sakusa the ideal Wingspiker.
Personaly a better opposite make a bigger difference, therefore i would pick Wakatoshi, cause it's not typical (Not in the top level). For the top level i can't really say it depends on there performance on the day.
Furthermore after the timeskip Hinata played opposite and not middle anymore. Cause after the timeskip hinata is receiving beast so he is defensiv better also he has a high vertical. So u have hinata as a defensive opposite and Wakatoshi as an aggressive opposite.
(Hinata was playing middle in Karasuno in the first year cause he was bad in receiving so u can him sub out with the Libero. Furthermore the insane quick. With the opposite position it's hard to pull off quicks.
Sakusa : Ishikawa
Ushijima : Nishida
Nice video
YOU ALL FORGOT ABOUT THE REAL LITTLE GIANT
Not sure whether you mean Mangaka little giant or Hoshiumi
@@silentloud4267 Prolly the old Little Giant. Nope, Tenma stopped playing after High School and he admitted it himself that Hoshiumi and Hinata have surpassed him.