yes, the 3ds version obviously would look better, especially the bowser sprite, but the overall expressions and the cartoony faces the characters made in the gba are basically gone which sucks
Eh, the original seems quite a bit more animated and expressive to me. Not to say that the remaster looks bad, but there's just something that the original GBA sprites had that can't be replaced tbh.
I get what you mean. The remake looks great and sounds great and will probably have better controls to make things easier, but there just is something about the old sprites that have more charm, not that the remake is lacking charm, just it doesn't remember to have as much. Also they changed the koopas for some reason. It doesn't really bother me, it's just confusing. The remake will still be great and I plan on buying it
Jake Smith o like the new ones better sure they don't have the those big head moments from the original but I like it more that way not to mention the stellar lighting with the remake but that's my opinion
MrGuy He means to say more cartoony which I can see the Mario and Luigi can seem like clay models and lack the cartoons bounce of squash and stretch. Which are classic animation techniques but he didn't word them the best way.
I definitely think I prefer the older graphics just because the sprites seem a lot sillier and more expressive, and the colors just seem to pop a lot more. I like the softer colors in areas such as the backgrounds and the vibrancy of the character sprites over top of them. The newer one definitely does have some nice touches though with the lighting for example and the empty space not being a stark black, which I appreciate. The characters seem to blend in better to the background, which in some ways its nice but I prefer the vibrancy and definition they had from the background more myself. It's really a matter of preference though, I think both will be good options if you want to experience the game.
TripleJump ...I'm surprised. This is what bothered me not the art style. We already saw the art style at E3 so I don't get why the furore has only begun now.
If there's a remake of it I would really want a one that still uses the sprites but keeps the feel of it: Sorta like hd super mario rpg. But's that's asking way too much honestly.
The new version has the better sound, 110%, but the original Mario & Luigi had more charming and popping visuals. Still gonna snag it because it's Mario & Luigi SS, one of the best games in the Mario RPG family
@@XxFrosty17xXjust thought I’d put this out there coming from someone who didn’t play either of these games or even know what they looked like before watching this video, the older graphics are better. The new ones are limited by the 3ds hardware and as such it leaves the same typical pixelated blur around every character the same way it did with smash on 3ds. The 3ds also apparently just can’t run 60 frames with this game, and it causes it to look extremely choppy, kind of like with Mario 3d land in some areas. The older versions graphics were obviously limited, but they didn’t push them to the point where it hurts your eyes to try and track what’s going on. The colours are much better on the gba version, the expressions are much better, and the game was clearly made to be pixelated. The extremely stiff movement shown in the remake is a result of the stiff movement that makes sense in 2d. Overall this game should’ve been remade as a 2d game not a 3d game or at least have a mode that allows you to revert it to 2d
I like the original more, since it had a more "unique" style imo. Glad this game got a remake though, it's a favourite of mine, looking forward to play it.
I hate how the characters are normalized now like how they replaced the guys on the ship with regular koopas. That's one of the things people hate about paper Mario nowadays. But the backgrounds in the new one are great.
Replacing the fight suit koopas with generic koopas. And replacing all the unique toad characters (including various men, children and women toads) with generic toads isn't a nitpick. It's an ongoing issue that's hurt the Paper Mario series as well.
Both versions look great. Original looks more cartoony and charming, while the newer one looks more visually impressive and polished. I seriously hope that nostalgia-blind fanboys don't boycott or raise all hell against the remake just because it looks different (newsflash- it's a remake, of course it's going to look different)
Yeah, looks more just to be a style shift. For vibrant, cartoony but simplistic graphics, the original is the way to go. But for detailed, flowy but subdued graphics, get the remake.
Nah, nostalgia is just an excuse used by idiots who doesn't know how to argument and just call you "nostalgicccccccccccccc blain fanboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii xdddddddddd" for no reason. I am still looking forward for the remake, though. I just hope they don't nerf the Mush Badge (this is just a little nitpick mine)
Was anyone else hoping Fawful would have his voice bit from Bowser's Inside Story in this one? I know he didn't have it in the original but it would of been nice.
Hopefully, since the 3ds is nearing the end of its lifespan, Alphadream can use a new engine and sprites for the next Mario & Luigi on the switch. We've had the same sprites for 3 games in a row, I think it's long overdue for a change.
They're probably going to support the 3DS for at least another 2 years seen as we're still getting remakes of games such as Luigi's Mansion on it when it's late 2018. So I assume 3DS support could carry on in to 2020
Certainly a mixed bag, but hey, the most important thing is that Bowser doesn't look fugly anymore. I'd take less over-the-top intro toads any day if I don't have to look at GBA Bowser.
6:11 The door doesn't look like a mouth with a moustache anymore. I know I'm nitpicking, but there so many little details that could easily been fixed and they missed. Tolstar doesn't have a cane anymore at 6:50, and a lot of the expressions were toned down. I already complained about everything before, but... hey! Thet didn't changed as much as we expected from the E3 reveal.
there are minor changes here and there, but they were obviously not simply overssen but updated. i never even realised the carpet in peaches castle was supposed to show mushwooms until now, but the very decent arrows pointing towards her are gone. The house looks different, but look inside marios home! he now has the wii wheel (which he just put onto a cart in the original MK Wii Trailers, and even a golden cup trophy on his shelf :D
I find it hilarious how Superstar Saga is the most beloved by fans, yet when people get a remake of it that happens to have only a FEW real changes, people lost their shit.
CloudySkies17695 its missing so much. expressive text boxes, smoother transitions, the art style, some areas now lack good music in favour of... silence. which is not the point of the game. its just much less goofy and fun than before.
I am loving their direction in looks amd use of lighting. But for me personally, I prefer the original style, sound effects, the charm and the texts noises. Other than that, really looking forward to remake seeing what they can really do
They've definitely outdone themselves with this remaster! Obviously the old sprites, sound effects, and facial expressions are nostalgic af But luckily I own both the game on Gameboy and virtual console. I really couldn't stand how Mario and Luigi looked for Dream Team so this is a slight improvement on their sprites.
I gotta agree. He's fat and red eyed in the first game. The other games are more consistent. He has the signature M&L black eyes and is less chubby than he original. :D Your comment made me laugh!
Adam K just think about the graphical limitation and the only game they have to go off of was Mario 64 and Mario rpg. Not dissing your opinion but just pointing it out
1:48 Does anyone else notice the Hammer on the wall in the GBA Version? If Mario took it when he left then that would have solved so much trouble early game.
I love the part with Mario's fast, short jumping in an attempt to get Toad's attention (with that classic sound effect). Reminds me so much of Super Mario RPG. =')
No, they're complaining because of the redesign of some of the characters/enemies (regular Koopas instead of the unique designed Koopas in the cruiser is an example)
People keep complaining about the sprite changes, but just look at the old Bowser sprite. It's kinda way too out of proportion compared to how he's supposed to look, and it was likely made that way so they could easily reskin it twice in the original. New bowser looks miles and mikes better.
Both have their own atmosphere tbh, the 3ds is more advanced looking of course, while the Gameboy has that nostalgia crispy pixels look, i would still play both, it's a good game in the end, but i will probably choose the Gameboy graphics since I grew up with those
Kazoorion The "unique designs" are overated, in my opinion. I like 'em, but they ain't mandatory for my overap overall enjoyment. The Koopas not having helmets,for example, mean jackshit to me. As long as the Beanish-exclusive creatures are still around, I'm golden.
It's just one of a few small changes though. They could've just scrapped the bean bean guys and made them toads or something i dunno. They remade the koopa designs so new people that play it will recognize the koopa from the recent Mario games. But they kept everything else because they were original characters. At least they respect SS's originalities. I'm sick and tired of people shitting on this game because "OOHHHH THEY DIDNT KEEP THIS SPRITE OF MARIO ITS RUINNEEDD I LOVED THAT FACE OHHHHHH THIS GAME LOOKS GARBAGE," like fucking get over it. It's a fucking game that didn't even HAVE to exist, but because Alphadream actually cares about their past games (unlike *cough* Intelligent Systems *cough* ) they decided to remake the game for old and new players with much smoother graphics and animations. If you don't like the graphics or the new sprites, grow the fuck up, stop going to videos just to talk about how "the graphics suck and the koopas are ruined" and play something else. Let the adults who actually understand the design change and move on (even if we don't like the koopa designs) enjoy these videos
I like how cartoony the old sprites look. It's like watching the cover art of these games come to life. The new sprites in my opinion look a little too polished for my liking. The sprites in bowser's inside story were perfect.
I think both games do fantastically in their respective styles, the original goes for a cartoon-y, almost cel shaded kind of look while the remeake looks like you tried to make everything photorealistic while still keeping the charm of the original. Looks great either way
I am extremely pleased with how the remake looks. I love Superstar Saga to death and while I do have a couple nitpicks, overall the 3DS version is very faithful to the original. Bowser looks fantastic, I love how Mario and Luigi's animations were faithfully recreated, and it's awesome to hear that Cackletta and Fawful kept their old voice clips, not to mention the soundtrack. This is a must buy for me!
Currently playing this game for the first time on the 3DS and gotta say it looks great. It def kept the spirit of the original. But something about the gba version is just more appealing. The over the top cartooniness just feels right.
Peach's dress doesn't flow when she's attacked by gas The Koopas aren't wearing gear The claw doesn't look as cool Clearly this remake will suck. I'm being sarcastic.
SacredYinZekrom It's still a good game despite small nitpicks. Like the ones i agree with is that Cackletta's soul looked better in the original and the koopalings are more difficult in the remake.
Hmm, a few areas look better in the original than the remaster but overall it's definitely an improvement. The expressiveness is all still there but it just seems like the 3DS version pulled back the camera a bit and shrunk a few of the sprites so they are a bit harder to look for, on top of not having those thick black outlines that help the sprites read a bit more. But things like the bowser sprite, the couple extra frames of animation given to every sprite, the backgrounds, and the little touches of light sources makes the characters and world feel a bit more lived in and natural even when the game is paused.
Is it just me, or is the resistance to change REALLY strong with the Nintendo fanbase these days? Like, 99% of this comments section is basically saying this remake is an insult to the original. And it's not just for this game, either. It feels like ALL upcoming Nintendo games to be released within the next few months are being treated like absolute garbage. This, US/UM, FE Warriors, Xenoblade 2, and even Odyssey for some.
Well, US/UM kinda has sense since Sun and Moon came out half in a year. As for the rest of the games, I don't see anyone hating. PS: Did you even see this comment section? Because most of these people are looking forward this game.
Not half a year. A full year. The same delay between Diamond/Pearl and Platinum, the latter being an enhanced version of the former. And I didn't hear any complaining back then. And to answer your PS, I'm sorry, but aside from a few positive comments, all I see are people saying how bad or soulless it looks, how the original graphics were better, or how it's dumb that the Koopas aren't wearing pilot caps.
The remake looks so much more proportional but I wish they didn't make everything so dark it's like they forgot to pay the lighting bill or something (I'm not referring to what I saw in the video I played the game).
I'm not sure how I feel about the remake. Based on what I've seen from this video, I feel like the remake has subdued some of the really fun and wacky moments from the original. Still, at least this means that a lot of folks who never got to play Superstar Saga before will be able to enjoy it now.
am i the only one confused about the complaints on the remake having “less animation” ?? take 6:15 for example,when they are stopped by the guards in the original,they are not reacting at all. if you look at the remake,they are shown to be confused and caught off guard by that. i even noticed a little thing at 6:35 - 6:37 on the remake where luigi tilts his head a little bit at some point when he’s talking to the guards. heck,in the one part of the game where luigi is dressed up as peach and is fleeing bowletta and fawful on the koopa cruiser,when blocking them off with the crates,instead of just standing there and hearing them get mad emotionlessly like in the original,he LITERALLY PULLS OUT A FAN AND WORKS THE DRESS,LAUGHING AT THEM CONFIDENTLY. and let’s not ignore the background animation either,the remade waterfalls from the previous timestamps look GORGEOUS. sure,certain more-iconic moments may have slightly less animation,but fans saying the whole remake in general has less animation really threw me off and i personally think it’s a bit of an overstatement. Edit: Furthermore, they animate the other characters TALKING in the remake. In the original they just stand there. That’s the most obvIOUS DIFFERENCE HOW ARE Y’ALL NOT SEEING THIS.
Honestly, I'm not sure which I like more. The original is so bold and expressive While the update has awesome lighting and effects. But something just feels... Missing
I hope I'm not the only one that thought that the Goodwill Ambassador's smile was the little line above his actual smile this whole time...like seriously, I just now realized that.
Overall, this looks & sounds absolutely amazing. Little touches I miss such as the over the top expressions & for some reason, no music playing after Mario & Luigi crashed in Stardust Fields. But its nice to see some other little touches come in with the updated models, like the Bros' fighting poses & the 1st boss wobbling as he flies, not to mention the lighting in the Koopaship. Nintendo's been a stickler for staying on model in recent years & while I miss the old models, I feel its not gonna be too terrible seeing as everything else looks nearly identical but better. Can't wait to play!
I like how in the remake Nintendo changed the Toad cutscene so that Mario does a panicked jump instead of jumping on Toad's head and giving him brain damage
Am I the only one that prefers the original graphics? They're so much more detailed. Its lost a lot of its character. Still, I'm having a blast playing through it on the 3DS.
This remake looks good, and the original still holds it's charm, they are both visually pleasing! What I'm wondering is why they decided to change the Koopas on the airship to generic ones...
This game is amazing looking... The music is faithful to the original tracks... And even though people have said that the original's art style isn't properly remade here, saying they're "re-using assets from Dream Team," you can see that the sprites look very slightly different, with more animations than before. They're re-using the _art style._ Which is amazing looking as it is.
3DS remake versions look good and have all this new battle effects but I still prefer the charm of the original GBA and NDS versions of Mario & Luigi, there's something about the cartoonesque colorfulness it's more appealing to me than 3D/2D whatever it is, I'd love to see a Super Mario RPG Remake with those aesthetics on the 3DS or even Switch, I think 3DS was perfect for that game to do a Remake only because of aesthetics, but it was a missed opportunity and I doubt they ever will do a remake of that one, but here Mario & Luigi was supposed to look that colorful 2D cartoonish style, changing that is a completely different game for me, its almost like remaking Wind Waker's Toon Link into a Ocarina of Time visuals sort of aesthetics 😅 I dunno, it works but is weird.
The Sprite work and animation has been greatly improved. Though the shift from Toon style to a more CG like art style seems to have pissed quite a few fans off.
I was gonna say I love the new logo...but then I realized it's more or less the original Japanese logo from the GBA release. So it's just that NoA isn't ruining the logo this time. In other news, I'm loving the crisp music. I do prefer the pixel art of the original, but they kept the same art style, so there's no reason to complain. It looks just like the more recent Mario & Luigi RPG games.
Oh my god, the music improvement is just crazy! This choire singing made this listen incerdibly epic! Im definetliy get this to listen to the music! And to played Superstar Saga for one time! ^^
Its awesome how they referenced Paper Mario by rolling back all the custom character designs into generic clones. The lack of face emotes also has me excited to see what else has been chipped away! Great Job!
Yea the original had more appealing graphics except for bowser, he's supposed to look like a giant hulking turtle dragon and the gba version didn't really capture that too well
The reason why people are so resistant to the changes this remake makes, is because up until now, most remakes didn't even need to make these changes. Most games that were remade did not have that much expressiveness in the first place, so a choice to remove some expressions was not even necessary. Trust me if all the original expressions and character designs were implemented in some way most of these complaints wouldn't even be happening. I don't think anyone's really resistant to the use of 3d models and lighting engines in this remake, since that's kind of the point. Also some of these issues are simply us just not wanting to see the M&L series go down the road of Paper Mario, where almost every npc is just a recolored toad. Sure this happened in Paper Jam too, but it was already partially a Paper Mario game, so it was to be expected. We resist change, because too much change happened in Paper Mario, and we don't want the same for the Mario & Luigi series. This game will still be as good as the original, it's just disappointing that not every expression and character design of the original could be implemented in the remake. I'm not sure if I'll buy this game, but that has nothing to do with the changes, just that I don't know if I really need to own 2 versions of the same game lol.
I respect the people who prefer the original but, you can't just say this version is utter garbage just because it isn't the original. That just seems stupid and childish.
The graphics in the new version seem more blurred, less defined. Look at them side by side and the GBA version was crisp and clear but the new version looks a little blurry. One of my big gripes with the new version is the music. The original was fantastic but they changed things up, especially with the battle music that I've heard. Just too much of a tweak from the original since the original was like perfect. That being said I will probably still pick this up because it is my second favorite Mario RPG, succeeded only by LOTSS
Why is everyone hating on the remaster it looks great and the art style is great. There are so much more animation. Sure they both have strengths and weaknesses but in they end they're both great
Trolley Track because the new graphics look awful and cheap. Kinda like mobile tier 3D garbage. Whereas the GBA version had lovely crafted spritework with charisma and expression.
Yeah, that's always the best thing to do. A lot of people just like to think that criticism is the same thing as hatred, when that's not always the case. They might just legitimately prefer the old one. Also, I have to give you props for your response. Someone saying that the other guy is right, isn't something that happens a lot.
Detail and quality are obviously improved, but I think this artstyle they got going is damn hideous, animation aside even. Also holy shit, can miyamoto fuck off with his "no original characters in mario rpgs" rule? Especially going back and turning characters into generic grunts, is absolutely baffeling
That rule only applied to the new Paper Mario games... Plus, the fact that they don't even want to give the Koopas outfits like in the original is obviously more a sign of laziness than that "rule" people think is a real thing.
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It looks really good. I especially love the lighting added that make the areas feel more alive.
Hawelo92 IKR! For a 3DS game it actually looks reeeeaall good!
I HATE YOU! YOU ALWAYS EAT MY FOOD IN NEKO ATSUME
and the music is amazing
Hawelo92 The colours do it for me, everything just looks so vibrant and alive
yes, the 3ds version obviously would look better, especially the bowser sprite, but the overall expressions and the cartoony faces the characters made in the gba are basically gone which sucks
Yeah, Bowser (and Toadsworth) looked so weird in the original game due to the graphics' limits.
@@kazoorion7993 how is hardware excuse for spritework? they could easily just use bis sprite in gba game
Bowser is more small than 3DS in OG
Original looks way better!!! I miss when the games looked like that wow... how far gond
For sure. Nothing beats the original 2D graphics. Has a certain charm to it
Eh, the original seems quite a bit more animated and expressive to me. Not to say that the remaster looks bad, but there's just something that the original GBA sprites had that can't be replaced tbh.
I get what you mean. The remake looks great and sounds great and will probably have better controls to make things easier, but there just is something about the old sprites that have more charm, not that the remake is lacking charm, just it doesn't remember to have as much. Also they changed the koopas for some reason. It doesn't really bother me, it's just confusing. The remake will still be great and I plan on buying it
more animated with less frames of animations... makes sense
Jake Smith o like the new ones better sure they don't have the those big head moments from the original but I like it more that way not to mention the stellar lighting with the remake but that's my opinion
MrGuy He means to say more cartoony which I can see the Mario and Luigi can seem like clay models and lack the cartoons bounce of squash and stretch. Which are classic animation techniques but he didn't word them the best way.
Jake Smith what no it doesn't lol I think you're just being a little bitch
Ummm.... why are the Koopas in the cruiser just regular Koopas in the remake?
Kazoorion because they are cuter
Because Nintendo fucked.up and don't care about what made there older titles special. Look at paper Mario for example....
Kazoorion
idk, laziness?
Real reason:Miyamoto anyway most of the enemies are like the original game
NIneDJcali At least we still have the Beanish people. I wish Bowser's minions weren't all generic, but we have more than just Toads as NPCs at least!
6:10 It's nice to see the little details, like how the way that waterfall is animated really does look like an HD version of the original.
I definitely think I prefer the older graphics just because the sprites seem a lot sillier and more expressive, and the colors just seem to pop a lot more. I like the softer colors in areas such as the backgrounds and the vibrancy of the character sprites over top of them. The newer one definitely does have some nice touches though with the lighting for example and the empty space not being a stark black, which I appreciate. The characters seem to blend in better to the background, which in some ways its nice but I prefer the vibrancy and definition they had from the background more myself. It's really a matter of preference though, I think both will be good options if you want to experience the game.
My childhood!!! The remixes are incredible!!!
TripleJump ...I'm surprised. This is what bothered me not the art style.
We already saw the art style at E3 so I don't get why the furore has only begun now.
i don't know the old one has definitively a charm the new one don't have but yes it sound good.
not childhood for me , I played this at 26
I love the lighting in the remake. I wouldn't mind an SMRPG remake with this artstyle
If there's a remake of it I would really want a one that still uses the sprites but keeps the feel of it: Sorta like hd super mario rpg. But's that's asking way too much honestly.
I feel even the original graphics would look amazing with a 3D effect.
SMRPG EXIST.
😅 welcome in 2023
your wish has been granted
The new version has the better sound, 110%, but the original Mario & Luigi had more charming and popping visuals. Still gonna snag it because it's Mario & Luigi SS, one of the best games in the Mario RPG family
Yeah I gotta disagree hard with the original having better visuals.
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Nostalgia blind
@@XxFrosty17xXjust thought I’d put this out there coming from someone who didn’t play either of these games or even know what they looked like before watching this video, the older graphics are better. The new ones are limited by the 3ds hardware and as such it leaves the same typical pixelated blur around every character the same way it did with smash on 3ds. The 3ds also apparently just can’t run 60 frames with this game, and it causes it to look extremely choppy, kind of like with Mario 3d land in some areas. The older versions graphics were obviously limited, but they didn’t push them to the point where it hurts your eyes to try and track what’s going on. The colours are much better on the gba version, the expressions are much better, and the game was clearly made to be pixelated. The extremely stiff movement shown in the remake is a result of the stiff movement that makes sense in 2d. Overall this game should’ve been remade as a 2d game not a 3d game or at least have a mode that allows you to revert it to 2d
Personally, i think a hand drawn art style (like rayman or wonderboy) would work better with these games than the dream team one.
YES.
But in the 3ds would have looked kinda messy with that maybe if there was a switch M&L
I like the original more, since it had a more "unique" style imo. Glad this game got a remake though, it's a favourite of mine, looking forward to play it.
I hate how the characters are normalized now like how they replaced the guys on the ship with regular koopas. That's one of the things people hate about paper Mario nowadays. But the backgrounds in the new one are great.
You know this is going to be a great game when most of the complaints are just small nitpicks.
Graphical and animation nitpicks that cause people to hate this game for some reason.
Then I guess it's going to be a terrible game if there's no complains.
Replacing the fight suit koopas with generic koopas. And replacing all the unique toad characters (including various men, children and women toads) with generic toads isn't a nitpick. It's an ongoing issue that's hurt the Paper Mario series as well.
Both versions look great. Original looks more cartoony and charming, while the newer one looks more visually impressive and polished. I seriously hope that nostalgia-blind fanboys don't boycott or raise all hell against the remake just because it looks different (newsflash- it's a remake, of course it's going to look different)
Yeah, looks more just to be a style shift. For vibrant, cartoony but simplistic graphics, the original is the way to go. But for detailed, flowy but subdued graphics, get the remake.
Motherfan1997 too late my dude
Nah, nostalgia is just an excuse used by idiots who doesn't know how to argument and just call you "nostalgicccccccccccccc blain fanboiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii xdddddddddd" for no reason.
I am still looking forward for the remake, though. I just hope they don't nerf the Mush Badge (this is just a little nitpick mine)
Gameboy224 Eep. Even without the Mush Badge, Superstar Saga is too easy in my opinion.
The problem is that the 3ds remake graphics look generic and boring compared to the 2d sprites of the original
The water looks so realistic
jesus96 for 3DS standards
It really stood out to me too, it looks so nice. I dont know about it looking realistic though.
It’s sunshine all over again!
Was anyone else hoping Fawful would have his voice bit from Bowser's Inside Story in this one? I know he didn't have it in the original but it would of been nice.
Tepig Ninja MORE!
MORE!
Yup, I was thinking the same.
Yatharth Wazir
YAY!
In gamexplain fashion...
it really would have BEAN nice.
Andre would be proud I know it!
Hopefully, since the 3ds is nearing the end of its lifespan, Alphadream can use a new engine and sprites for the next Mario & Luigi on the switch. We've had the same sprites for 3 games in a row, I think it's long overdue for a change.
No I think this game uses new sprites from past Mario and Luigi games on the 3DS or it's just graphically improved I don't k ow
While new sprites have been made for cutscenes and the Bros. attacks, it’s still the same base sprites we had from Dream Team.
The 3ds has atleast 3 more years
They want to support the 3DS past 2018, I’m not entirely sure if that’s true though, so don’t take my word for it.
They're probably going to support the 3DS for at least another 2 years seen as we're still getting remakes of games such as Luigi's Mansion on it when it's late 2018. So I assume 3DS support could carry on in to 2020
Certainly a mixed bag, but hey, the most important thing is that Bowser doesn't look fugly anymore. I'd take less over-the-top intro toads any day if I don't have to look at GBA Bowser.
6:11 The door doesn't look like a mouth with a moustache anymore.
I know I'm nitpicking, but there so many little details that could easily been fixed and they missed.
Tolstar doesn't have a cane anymore at 6:50, and a lot of the expressions were toned down.
I already complained about everything before, but... hey! Thet didn't changed as much as we expected from the E3 reveal.
The door doesn't look like a mouth with a mustache anymore!? How does the old one look like a mouth with a mustache?
there are minor changes here and there, but they were obviously not simply overssen but updated. i never even realised the carpet in peaches castle was supposed to show mushwooms until now, but the very decent arrows pointing towards her are gone.
The house looks different, but look inside marios home! he now has the wii wheel (which he just put onto a cart in the original MK Wii Trailers, and even a golden cup trophy on his shelf :D
Szabolcs Gangl it’s at the top of the entrance
for me the new one looks like mouth with a moustache wtf the old one doesnt
I find it hilarious how Superstar Saga is the most beloved by fans, yet when people get a remake of it that happens to have only a FEW real changes, people lost their shit.
CloudySkies17695 oh that's just internet Nintendo fans the remake is just fine
Im pretty sure changing the art style is a massive deal
I think you need to see every footage of this game before reaching to forced conclutions.
CloudySkies17695 its missing so much. expressive text boxes, smoother transitions, the art style, some areas now lack good music in favour of... silence. which is not the point of the game. its just much less goofy and fun than before.
Gokuvsnaruto22 it is a massive deal. I wish it was more bright and cartoony, but this is acceptable imo.
I am loving their direction in looks amd use of lighting. But for me personally, I prefer the original style, sound effects, the charm and the texts noises. Other than that, really looking forward to remake seeing what they can really do
They've definitely outdone themselves with this remaster! Obviously the old sprites, sound effects, and facial expressions are nostalgic af But luckily I own both the game on Gameboy and virtual console. I really couldn't stand how Mario and Luigi looked for Dream Team so this is a slight improvement on their sprites.
That circle pad animation is very satisfying.
4:44 oh god where do I even START with fawful’s speech patterns?
4:03: At least Luigi's eye still bug out when he's looking through the binoculars. I always found that amusing.
Say what you want, but old Bowser looked awful. Like he ate too much lard or some shit, I dunno.
Adam K
I know right!?!???
you haven't seen bowser from dream team then xdddd
Chacu34 why? He looks great in Dream Team
I gotta agree. He's fat and red eyed in the first game. The other games are more consistent. He has the signature M&L black eyes and is less chubby than he original. :D Your comment made me laugh!
Adam K just think about the graphical limitation and the only game they have to go off of was Mario 64 and Mario rpg. Not dissing your opinion but just pointing it out
1:48 Does anyone else notice the Hammer on the wall in the GBA Version? If Mario took it when he left then that would have solved so much trouble early game.
Yeeeeaaaahhhh, naked Mario is still there!
Dragorosso95 And they made him lose a lot of weight this time!
For the ladies.
Dragorosso95 I'm sure glad he has a towel around his waist to cover his privates!
Improvement is HUGE, the 60 fps is great, the game is a MASTERPIECE! Can't wait!
I love the part with Mario's fast, short jumping in an attempt to get Toad's attention (with that classic sound effect).
Reminds me so much of Super Mario RPG. =')
I knew there's gonna be people complaining about the graphics. To me it feels reminiscent to Super Mario RPG.
RetroReploid That's some constructive criticism you got there
No, they're complaining because of the redesign of some of the characters/enemies (regular Koopas instead of the unique designed Koopas in the cruiser is an example)
Whatever makes you feel better.
Maybe those but some comments does have issues about the graphics as a whole. Me I think both games look good in there own right.
Honestly, that's the vibe i'm getting visually as well.
6:10 That water caught me off guard.... damn
People keep complaining about the sprite changes, but just look at the old Bowser sprite. It's kinda way too out of proportion compared to how he's supposed to look, and it was likely made that way so they could easily reskin it twice in the original. New bowser looks miles and mikes better.
ss: more *cartoony*
ss+bm: more *cinematic* less cartoony
5:23 oh, yes! It looks amazing in the remaster. This game will definitely be worth playing on the 3DS aswell
Most people hate this game because of the SLIGHTEST changes. The fuck? Can you guys at least appreciate the hard work Alphadream has put into this?
A bit sad that the koopas on the ship aren't wearing their pilot stuff.
Both have their own atmosphere tbh, the 3ds is more advanced looking of course, while the Gameboy has that nostalgia crispy pixels look, i would still play both, it's a good game in the end, but i will probably choose the Gameboy graphics since I grew up with those
They changed the Koopas...
And?
The unique design was one of the reasons people loved Superstar Saga
Kazoorion
The "unique designs" are overated, in my opinion.
I like 'em, but they ain't mandatory for my overap overall enjoyment.
The Koopas not having helmets,for example, mean jackshit to me.
As long as the Beanish-exclusive creatures are still around, I'm golden.
It's just one of a few small changes though. They could've just scrapped the bean bean guys and made them toads or something i dunno. They remade the koopa designs so new people that play it will recognize the koopa from the recent Mario games. But they kept everything else because they were original characters. At least they respect SS's originalities. I'm sick and tired of people shitting on this game because "OOHHHH THEY DIDNT KEEP THIS SPRITE OF MARIO ITS RUINNEEDD I LOVED THAT FACE OHHHHHH THIS GAME LOOKS GARBAGE," like fucking get over it. It's a fucking game that didn't even HAVE to exist, but because Alphadream actually cares about their past games (unlike *cough* Intelligent Systems *cough* ) they decided to remake the game for old and new players with much smoother graphics and animations. If you don't like the graphics or the new sprites, grow the fuck up, stop going to videos just to talk about how "the graphics suck and the koopas are ruined" and play something else. Let the adults who actually understand the design change and move on (even if we don't like the koopa designs) enjoy these videos
The Batman Nice way of losing your credibility. way to go.
The original looks more expressive, colorful, and unique
Only "expressive".
Pik3rob nope, the remake is more fluid and colorful, the original have only more charm
Francesco Bertini The remake isn't more colorful, it's got shading though. The original has a better color scheme though imo
I like how cartoony the old sprites look. It's like watching the cover art of these games come to life. The new sprites in my opinion look a little too polished for my liking. The sprites in bowser's inside story were perfect.
The backgrounds though are amazing!
I think both games do fantastically in their respective styles, the original goes for a cartoon-y, almost cel shaded kind of look while the remeake looks like you tried to make everything photorealistic while still keeping the charm of the original. Looks great either way
I am extremely pleased with how the remake looks. I love Superstar Saga to death and while I do have a couple nitpicks, overall the 3DS version is very faithful to the original. Bowser looks fantastic, I love how Mario and Luigi's animations were faithfully recreated, and it's awesome to hear that Cackletta and Fawful kept their old voice clips, not to mention the soundtrack. This is a must buy for me!
we are ever so close to the sounds of the bean bean castle music
Currently playing this game for the first time on the 3DS and gotta say it looks great. It def kept the spirit of the original. But something about the gba version is just more appealing. The over the top cartooniness just feels right.
The 3DS graphics remind me of SM RPG. Wish this was on Switch
Peach's dress doesn't flow when she's attacked by gas
The Koopas aren't wearing gear
The claw doesn't look as cool
Clearly this remake will suck.
I'm being sarcastic.
The sad part is that some people hate this game because of it.
SacredYinZekrom It's still a good game despite small nitpicks. Like the ones i agree with is that Cackletta's soul looked better in the original and the koopalings are more difficult in the remake.
I can't get over how spectacular the lighting is in this game. Some epic levels of Nintendo polish right there.
Hmm, a few areas look better in the original than the remaster but overall it's definitely an improvement. The expressiveness is all still there but it just seems like the 3DS version pulled back the camera a bit and shrunk a few of the sprites so they are a bit harder to look for, on top of not having those thick black outlines that help the sprites read a bit more. But things like the bowser sprite, the couple extra frames of animation given to every sprite, the backgrounds, and the little touches of light sources makes the characters and world feel a bit more lived in and natural even when the game is paused.
I still like the fact that the voice samples from the original are still there(especially Cackletta and Fawful's laugh + Mario singing in the shower).
Is it just me, or is the resistance to change REALLY strong with the Nintendo fanbase these days? Like, 99% of this comments section is basically saying this remake is an insult to the original.
And it's not just for this game, either. It feels like ALL upcoming Nintendo games to be released within the next few months are being treated like absolute garbage. This, US/UM, FE Warriors, Xenoblade 2, and even Odyssey for some.
ShycoWar it's too much hate, maybe this start with Wii U
Well, US/UM kinda has sense since Sun and Moon came out half in a year. As for the rest of the games, I don't see anyone hating.
PS: Did you even see this comment section? Because most of these people are looking forward this game.
No, I think you're just overexaggerating.
Welcome to the nostalgic pandering.
Not half a year. A full year. The same delay between Diamond/Pearl and Platinum, the latter being an enhanced version of the former. And I didn't hear any complaining back then.
And to answer your PS, I'm sorry, but aside from a few positive comments, all I see are people saying how bad or soulless it looks, how the original graphics were better, or how it's dumb that the Koopas aren't wearing pilot caps.
Nice synchronizing. 11/10
NO TITLE MUSIC??!?!?
I really can’t wait to get the game because it’s a freakin awesome game
The remake looks so much more proportional but I wish they didn't make everything so dark it's like they forgot to pay the lighting bill or something (I'm not referring to what I saw in the video I played the game).
I'm not sure how I feel about the remake. Based on what I've seen from this video, I feel like the remake has subdued some of the really fun and wacky moments from the original. Still, at least this means that a lot of folks who never got to play Superstar Saga before will be able to enjoy it now.
am i the only one confused about the complaints on the remake having “less animation” ?? take 6:15 for example,when they are stopped by the guards in the original,they are not reacting at all. if you look at the remake,they are shown to be confused and caught off guard by that. i even noticed a little thing at 6:35 - 6:37 on the remake where luigi tilts his head a little bit at some point when he’s talking to the guards. heck,in the one part of the game where luigi is dressed up as peach and is fleeing bowletta and fawful on the koopa cruiser,when blocking them off with the crates,instead of just standing there and hearing them get mad emotionlessly like in the original,he LITERALLY PULLS OUT A FAN AND WORKS THE DRESS,LAUGHING AT THEM CONFIDENTLY. and let’s not ignore the background animation either,the remade waterfalls from the previous timestamps look GORGEOUS. sure,certain more-iconic moments may have slightly less animation,but fans saying the whole remake in general has less animation really threw me off and i personally think it’s a bit of an overstatement.
Edit: Furthermore, they animate the other characters TALKING in the remake. In the original they just stand there. That’s the most obvIOUS DIFFERENCE HOW ARE Y’ALL NOT SEEING THIS.
the only thing that bugs me about the remake is how slow the animations are compared to the original.
Honestly, I'm not sure which I like more. The original is so bold and expressive
While the update has awesome lighting and effects. But something just feels... Missing
A Mother 3 remake would be the greatest surprise Nintendo would give us.
And be hated by the fans.
Nah, not really.
i like gba's intro more tbh
2:58
Bowser: Hang on... why don't I just get him now? (FIREBALL)
Game Over
Staff Roll
I hope I'm not the only one that thought that the Goodwill Ambassador's smile was the little line above his actual smile this whole time...like seriously, I just now realized that.
Man, shifting between two screens is tiring. Sometimes I wish I had two eyes so I can look at both of them at the same time.
wait.....
Oh my god, I seriously can't wait for this game. It's gonna be awesome playing through Superstar Saga on the 3DS X3
Overall, this looks & sounds absolutely amazing.
Little touches I miss such as the over the top expressions & for some reason, no music playing after Mario & Luigi crashed in Stardust Fields. But its nice to see some other little touches come in with the updated models, like the Bros' fighting poses & the 1st boss wobbling as he flies, not to mention the lighting in the Koopaship.
Nintendo's been a stickler for staying on model in recent years & while I miss the old models, I feel its not gonna be too terrible seeing as everything else looks nearly identical but better.
Can't wait to play!
I like how in the remake Nintendo changed the Toad cutscene so that Mario does a panicked jump instead of jumping on Toad's head and giving him brain damage
Am I the only one that prefers the original graphics? They're so much more detailed. Its lost a lot of its character. Still, I'm having a blast playing through it on the 3DS.
Luigi was less scared in the 2000’s Lmao
This is what i was looking for. I wanted to seee if the gba is different from the 3ds version because i only have the gba version
This remake looks good, and the original still holds it's charm, they are both visually pleasing! What I'm wondering is why they decided to change the Koopas on the airship to generic ones...
2:08 Here we are in 2017 talking about Mario being shirtless in Odyssey and he was shirtless in 2003.
But without nipples. :p
Toad: * dancing*
Other toad: * actually helping*
Does Luigi still slip on Peach's dress in the remake?
This game is amazing looking...
The music is faithful to the original tracks...
And even though people have said that the original's art style isn't properly remade here, saying they're "re-using assets from Dream Team," you can see that the sprites look very slightly different, with more animations than before. They're re-using the _art style._
Which is amazing looking as it is.
3DS remake versions look good and have all this new battle effects but I still prefer the charm of the original GBA and NDS versions of Mario & Luigi, there's something about the cartoonesque colorfulness it's more appealing to me than 3D/2D whatever it is, I'd love to see a Super Mario RPG Remake with those aesthetics on the 3DS or even Switch, I think 3DS was perfect for that game to do a Remake only because of aesthetics, but it was a missed opportunity and I doubt they ever will do a remake of that one, but here Mario & Luigi was supposed to look that colorful 2D cartoonish style, changing that is a completely different game for me, its almost like remaking Wind Waker's Toon Link into a Ocarina of Time visuals sort of aesthetics 😅 I dunno, it works but is weird.
Gba has better music too 3ds just sounds like its being played on instruments i prefer the gba sound over that even though people call it bad.
The Sprite work and animation has been greatly improved. Though the shift from Toon style to a more CG like art style seems to have pissed quite a few fans off.
maybe it's because I was really young when I played superstar saga and now i'm grown up, but cackletta doesn't seem as intimidating in the remaster.
I was gonna say I love the new logo...but then I realized it's more or less the original Japanese logo from the GBA release. So it's just that NoA isn't ruining the logo this time.
In other news, I'm loving the crisp music. I do prefer the pixel art of the original, but they kept the same art style, so there's no reason to complain. It looks just like the more recent Mario & Luigi RPG games.
THe 3DS version has extended cutscene that give player hint what next they should do instead find it yourself in original
Nothing beats the pixel art of the original, but i'm still super excited to play the remake!
Oh my god, the music improvement is just crazy! This choire singing made this listen incerdibly epic! Im definetliy get this to listen to the music! And to played Superstar Saga for one time! ^^
Its awesome how they referenced Paper Mario by rolling back all the custom character designs into generic clones. The lack of face emotes also has me excited to see what else has been chipped away! Great Job!
Yea the original had more appealing graphics except for bowser, he's supposed to look like a giant hulking turtle dragon and the gba version didn't really capture that too well
The reason why people are so resistant to the changes this remake makes, is because up until now, most remakes didn't even need to make these changes. Most games that were remade did not have that much expressiveness in the first place, so a choice to remove some expressions was not even necessary.
Trust me if all the original expressions and character designs were implemented in some way most of these complaints wouldn't even be happening. I don't think anyone's really resistant to the use of 3d models and lighting engines in this remake, since that's kind of the point.
Also some of these issues are simply us just not wanting to see the M&L series go down the road of Paper Mario, where almost every npc is just a recolored toad. Sure this happened in Paper Jam too, but it was already partially a Paper Mario game, so it was to be expected. We resist change, because too much change happened in Paper Mario, and we don't want the same for the Mario & Luigi series.
This game will still be as good as the original, it's just disappointing that not every expression and character design of the original could be implemented in the remake. I'm not sure if I'll buy this game, but that has nothing to do with the changes, just that I don't know if I really need to own 2 versions of the same game lol.
At 2:53 the 3ds ver makes Luigi looks like he is dancing to the battle muisc
I respect the people who prefer the original but, you can't just say this version is utter garbage just because it isn't the original. That just seems stupid and childish.
GrandMelon This game doesn't look garbage because it isn't the original game. This game looks garbage because the graphics are awful.
pld Well that's your opinion.
Most people here have used just the word better to be fair.
pld In what way? And keep in mind, facial expressions, body movements, and character designs are separate from graphics.
The graphics in the new version seem more blurred, less defined. Look at them side by side and the GBA version was crisp and clear but the new version looks a little blurry. One of my big gripes with the new version is the music. The original was fantastic but they changed things up, especially with the battle music that I've heard. Just too much of a tweak from the original since the original was like perfect. That being said I will probably still pick this up because it is my second favorite Mario RPG, succeeded only by LOTSS
I just saw Mario's builder hard hat from Mario Maker in his house. I love the references!
Why is everyone hating on the remaster it looks great and the art style is great. There are so much more animation. Sure they both have strengths and weaknesses but in they end they're both great
Trolley Track because the new graphics look awful and cheap. Kinda like mobile tier 3D garbage. Whereas the GBA version had lovely crafted spritework with charisma and expression.
Yes, but that's your opinion, and they have their own. It's not always hate, sometimes it's just preference.
pld I really like them they look a lot like dream team and that's one of my favorite games of all time
Anti Riku you're right I should look at both sides of the coin instead of just one
Yeah, that's always the best thing to do. A lot of people just like to think that criticism is the same thing as hatred, when that's not always the case. They might just legitimately prefer the old one. Also, I have to give you props for your response. Someone saying that the other guy is right, isn't something that happens a lot.
With this remake all M&L games can now be played on the 3DS.
Now please make a Paper Mario (N64) remake for 3DS and a TTYD remake for Switch.
I miss the charm the old designs had I love the flight suit koopas
6:16 on the right side. Me: "BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA." XD! I love that new animation!
Huh, I actually prefer the original soundtrack better, but that's probably just because I'm a chiptune fan. Thew remixes sound too generic.
I still wish they put the original one on the 3DS as well, just like they did on the wii u.
Thank god they labeled which one was which unlike that ridiculous Metroid comparison, I could barely tell which one was which...
Finally a comparison that isn't stretched in some way! XD
1:10 Does anyone know what the music is called in the 3DS Version because the choir is a nice touch?
Not gonna lie the new Stardust Fields looks gorgeous.
I like the twinkling stars in the sky.
Detail and quality are obviously improved, but I think this artstyle they got going is damn hideous, animation aside even.
Also holy shit, can miyamoto fuck off with his "no original characters in mario rpgs" rule?
Especially going back and turning characters into generic grunts, is absolutely baffeling
That rule only applied to the new Paper Mario games...
Plus, the fact that they don't even want to give the Koopas outfits like in the original is obviously more a sign of laziness than that "rule" people think is a real thing.
SonicmaniaVideos Right? Nintendo, can you not just copy and paste some goggles on a koopa troopa? EVEN I CAN DO THAT.
SonicmaniaVideos Yeah... fuck Miyamoto and Tanabe for ruining Paper Mario....
what the hell! the took out all of the original looking characters and replaced them with generics too?! man screw this!