You see the second game is actually genius, it forces the player to play a game that makes them suffer, recreating the experience of saw en real life, therefore making it the ultimate saw experience
@@Chi.mer4 well the game is supposed to be difficult and the level has some obstacles that are dangerous, and as you progress, the game throws everything that is dangerous just to kill you at all costs, but it doesn't mean it's impossible, you do need a lot of patience and a bit of luck though.
Imagine a Saw game in a similar fashion as Heavy Rain. You switch between a character in their test and a detective trying to solve the case. There would be multiple endings, actual consequences for failing puzzles instead of just a game over screen, and real choices to make which change story outcomes. That's how I always envisioned a Saw game. Not the crap we ended up getting.
My older brother was one of the developers on this game. He worked for Zombie Studios after graduating art school in Seattle, developing this Saw game and another game called Blacklight. I remember he'd come home everyday depressed from work. Not only did he hate working on the game, he said his coworkers and the work environment was extremely toxic. Long hours, garbage pay, and horrible people to work with. After a year working there, my brother luckily moved on to work for Nintendo of America. But he said Zombie Studios was the worst place he's ever worked for and wasn't surprised at all when the company went under a few years later.
The Blacklight team was so toxic in retrospect. The Saw team was (I think) a lot more positive, but we only had a small crew to crank them out. Hopefully your brother is still in the industry
idk what career i want to get into, I always end up getting into it with some ego d-bag and all jobs are at-will so doesnt matter how good your career is you'll get canned for anything
@@friendlyreaper9012 if you kill or spare the crooked man in the wolf among us? (To clarify I DO agree telltale does have an issue with undoing the players choices LOL)
@@maxhowlett9661 yeah but telltale is good at giving you the illusion of choice, which is the most you can hope for other than in very rare circumstances in certain games
That's like IIRC what Konami did do with Silent Hill 4: The Room (which I believe was supposed to be its own franchise or something but they assimilated it into Silent Hill, and you can see it regarding the kind of forced interplay between Silent Hill and Ashfield Heights). (Which is incidentally the opposite of what happened with Devil May Cry 1 insofar as I believe it was supposed to be another Resident Evil game, which you can tell from the door opening and closing sound effects and the "Do you want to use such and such item here Y/N" when the answer to the latter is obviously Yes etc) Addendum: Since I made the above comment I have been replied to several times about whether SH4 was supposed to be be a SH game or not from the beginning. I am not changing my stance on this issue but I am also sick to fucking death anymore of discussing this in the first place. Please see the tens of comments below before sending me a reply and just please leave me alone about this now.
Well this was also around the time the imbecile trash gamer started to pop up and continues spreading to this day. The special ed gamer who thinks that any game that gets less than a 8-8.5 means that its trash.... Its "gamers" that are the problem not the publishers, the same gamers that cry about not releasing review copies, but only when its certain publishers...Their ready to eat the ass and tongue the hole while fondling their balls when its publishers like Bugthesda who constantly release broken games that take weeks if not months to fix.
I always loved/hated the sheer implementation of “video game logic” in this game. For example “this door is locked” meanwhile half the door is a broken window 😂
The Tapp story kinda makes sense, he had similar progression in movie series, where he is shown to become obsessive about finding Jigsaw, to the point of being self-destructive and not caring who gets hurt in the way as long as he finds and kills Jigsaw and all of his appearances.
If I ever woke up with a Saw trap around my neck and they were like "Yeah, the key is underneath your eyeball. Here's a scalpel. Get the key before time runs out or else the mask will activate and crush your skull like a watermelon" I would just wait out the time, maybe read a bit or something. No way in Hell am I gonna be cutting near my eye to acquire the key. Nope nope nope.
@@pogchamp2280 Hahahaha exactly I'd be like "Well it's been real, hope it's just a nightmare. Going back to bed." then Jigsaw is like "Wait, for real?"
@@Gloss613 Even then, Jigsaw may activate the trap anyway. His intelligence allows him to predict any and all outcomes of his games leading up to his death including resistance. We do see this in Saw VI, albeit John has been dead for a while in that movie, but all of the traps were his designs so Hoffman doesn't get credit for the Barbed Wire Hangman Trap where William Easton tried to resist and, well I won't spoil what happens because Saw VI is actually a fantastic movie that deserves to be seen.
I actually like how these games tried to put a Batman/Joker spin on Tapp chasing after Jigsaw. On an audio tape in the second game, he even admits that they're "connected". I also think it's interesting how Michael winds up in a Jigsaw game just like his father did. Like it's a Tapp family mission to battle Jigsaw.
"We generally assume that video games based off movies are going to be bad, and history has shown more often than not, that's the case." Oi, Shreck 2 the video game defined a generation!
I agree. I'm missing GOOD and original survival horror that isn't either all action or all atmosphere. No one, even when citing great games from the 90s, can seem to strike a good balance, or they ruin their atmosphere with too much gesturing to the audience. "Look how scary this is! Do you see? The man is a monster! Listen to his dialogue where he tells you he is a monster!" (The Medium).
"I hate saving people from certain death just to have them turn around and be rude to me, good manners cost nothing, SON!" I love this. This sums up working as a nurse really well.
To be fair on them showing Jigsaw in the second game; the games came out after Saw 6 and (without getting into spoilers) by that point we had seen the character's face, backstory, and pretty much everything about him. All the mystery was basically already gone.
That's insane that the game came out after the movies were finished.. it seems like it was so long ago but it really wasn't. I selfishly want them to make another movie. I know it would be bad. They pretty much explained everything from what pushed him to want to torture people, up until 10 years after he died. I don't really see where they would go I just don't want it to be over
The reason the victims are rude to the detective is because, in the movie, Jigsaw explains that most people are so ungrateful to be alive, which is why they're all put in a life threatening situation. If you succeed in solving his puzzles, you're grateful to be alive.
@@337Disgraciad but he isnt grateful at the end of it he does all this survives the traps only to kill himself at the end of it tap detectivr tap wasnt even greatful after his game the true ending of this game is he kills himself how is he greatful to be alive if he only kills himself at the end
@@chazeverett So what? Jigsaw kidnaps these people because they are taking life for granted or are doing horrible things. He viewed it as a form of therapy. That doesn't mean that people are magically going to be super happy they are alive........ In fact if you use your brain you would realize that Jigsaw is doing some really fucked up shit because he snapped when his child was killed. Only that guy really deserved to get fucked, but John got addicted and more sadistic. These people are traumatized. You don't just watch your coworkers get shot one by one in the chest while on a merry go round and walk away all smiles.. Also... I don't even know why you commented because you clearly don't understand how the movies go. The people that are put in the traps are there because they are somehow related to the person Jigsaw chose to play the game. Meaning the only reason they are there in the first place is because they had associated with the main character. That is why they are mad at this Tap. Either they don't explain that part well enough and assume you just know, or this guy left out some stuff to make the game look bad for a point.
What’s sad is this game could’ve been the next manhunt, with a creative stealth & combat system that doesn’t feel repetitive. But alas, we were given a game with great ideas but a lot to be desired.
@@majesticwolfyguy6629 What’s funny is I actually know that reference. Those things are bastards. I’ll gladly give my life for a country I’ve never visited. Aussies are the best
SAW VR would be a fun little game to have. On an unrelated note: Leigh Whannel is an incredibly underrated writer and director. Insidious, Upgrade and The Invisible Man are really good movies.
@@rahjeel the main character just did super stupid shit all the time, like this bitch had a fucking gun right in front of her with a clear shot at the dude and she literally just waited for him to finish
Imagine being a veteran detective and properly doing everything you possibly can to look into the case and saving many lives on the journey trying to catch a serial killer. Only for those rescued survivors to resent/hate you and at the same time throwing away the lesson behind surviving one of jigsaws traps nobody can help you XD
According to the 1st game's plot some of them seem to think that Tapp's obsession with catching Jigsaw is why they're in this mess without admitting their own flaws and after Tapp frees them instead of being grateful the refusal to admit to their own flaws leads them to put the blame on Tapp because it's easier to find a scapegoat then admit that they caused Jigsaw to target them because of their own flaws most well-known example is David's wife as it's revealed during the segment where you rescue her that after David's murder due to that one bomb trap Jigsaw set up for the cops in the first film that she became a neglectful parent who would rather go out and party, and get drunk then take care of her son, and instead of realizing she was the one hurting her son emotionally, and mentally she would blame Tapp for her husband's death complete with her stating that everything that has recently gone wrong in the homelife of her, and her son after David's death was all Tapp's fault due to his pursuit of Jigsaw, and this dialogue between her and Jigsaw spells out her flaws when you find the TV. David's wife: "It's all Tapp's fault he's the reason why my husband is dead, why me and my son are suffering right now I'm doing what my husband told me to do and show nothing but hatred towards his killer." Jigsaw: "The dead cannot influence the living, and Detective Tapp is not to blame for your son's neglect that happened because of you because you chose to willingly neglect him, and become a raging alcoholic, and leave every night and day to head to the bar to get drunk." David's wife: "You're wrong it's Tapp's fault, my husband's murder, my son's troubling attitude they're all because of Tapp and when I get out of here I'll prove it I'll prove that Tapp is the one who should deserve to pay so my husband can get justice and me and my son's lives can return to normal."
@@thatonebee6095 The Party Room from RE7 doesn't count cuz it was completely stacked against the favor of those who were put through it. The Saw traps have at least some way to beat them. The Party Room, and the card game in the DLC, fill you with some sense of hope that you're finally free when you beat them, or get close to beating them, only for them to then slap your nuts with a spiked pan covered in acid, laugh at your pain and suffering, and then kill you right then and there, slowly and painfully.
I feel like Gman's Saw Trap would be having to speedrun every Doom game on the hardest difficulty while a machine constantly shoves Rueben Sandwhiches into his mouth, and he has to complete the marathon before his stomach explodes.
Nah, Play the ALL releases Serious Sam games on Mental with 100% kills and secrets. Mind there are at least 4 different versions of the first game alone.
@@jorm1652 There's not that many official Doom games. The Ultimate Doom Doom II Final Doom The Master Levels? Doom 64 Doom 3 (And I guess that other campaign for Doom 2?) Doom 2016 Doom Eternal Doom RPG 1 + 2 Unless you're talking about EVERY single port of each doom game exists.
I owned this game as a kid and the box art scared me so much that I never played it and I hid the case behind the other games on my shelf. Good memories lol
It’s sad because you can’t find a digital copy anywhere and people on eBay are selling it for like 500 bucks all because you can’t get it anywhere else (i mean you could pirate it but that’s a decision on your morality there)
@@tylerschuck5442 Just pirate it, the only people making money on an ebay auction is the ebay seller not the game devs/studio ect. Nothing wrong with pirating a game that the studio has no interest in trying to provide/preserve as opposed to some ebay seller trying to rip you off.
The voice actor for Tapp in the first game doesnt belong to Donald Glover, but instead to Earl Alexander, who is also Louis from left for dead, which made this game absolutely hilarious for me whenever tapp raised his voice
If I remember, this didn't get censored or banned in Australia... How did this not get banned but something like Reservoir Dogs (The game) got banned... Or even Manhunt. I mean, they almost banned CoD WW2 because of the sound of a zipper...
@@SnowThenDen There's a scene in CoD WW2 where a German soldier pushes a woman into a closet, originally there was a zipper sound, Australia threatened to not allow the game because they said it encouraged sexual assault and violence against women, or something like that, so they had to censor the zipping sound, I believe for every version. Not that it makes much of a difference.
Love it when an amazing review actually has positive things to say about a game everyone took a huge turd on. I used to think the first Saw game was a heap of trash just because that's what everyone said about it but now I actually kinda wanna give it a try!
As someone who was absolutely petrified of this franchise, to the point where I literally had to go to therapy and watch all of the movies afterwards just to get over it, I ended up loving it in the end, I REALLY wanted the first game to go somewhere. I didnt play it but I heard a lot of negative things about it. I bought the sequel on the ps3 and I still love the design of it, I guess its time to get into the nitty gritty of the first game.
I feel like it shouldn't be mandatory to save everyone, since in the films the protagonists who go through a similar test (Jeff, Rigg, William and Bobby) got most if not all of them killed. Whether they lived or died should've affected the ending or something.
Fortnite is pretty fun when you have friends to play it with, which I happen to have. It’s not a bad game unless you give up on it after a few losses and say it’s bad without trying to get better. I don’t understand why people act like it’s the worst thing ever and constant over exaggerate it when there are far worse games out there
Kinda surprising to see these games being worth so much money nowadays. I remember seeing them at gamestop for like $10 several years ago. Also "Gimmie that key" 😆
So the reason the people attack you, if I remember correctly is that Jigsaw (supposedly) hid a key that leads out of the asylum inside of Tapp’s body, and let all the other people know that in hopes that they’d use it as incentive to attack and kill him to get the key
"Either that(insane asylum) or an abandoned carnival, an abandoned school or..." An abandoned warehouse or factory? "... an anime convention." Eh, fair enough.
Yeah, I totally agree with you here. The first Saw game was a pretty good, and they obviously put a lot of effort into it. There’s tons of things that tie in to the movies and a bunch of Easter eggs and references hidden throughout. Plus, whenever you’re caught in a trap and have to solve some kind of puzzle as quickly as possible before you get killed, it really gets your heart racing!
The combat in the first game is hilarious. The best attack is just a standard jab, since its way quicker than any of the weapons you can pick up and hitting the enemy AI stun locks them. Save for a few "special" enemy types.
I kind of like the head canon of the Riddler in the dark Knight movies being a kind of Jigsaw-like character. I guess enough fighting and nuclear explosions in that idea. 🎩 🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
I noticed an interesting detail about the two games. The first Saw video game opens in a similar way to the first Saw movie (in a dirty, dilapidated bathroom) and Saw 2: Flesh and Blood opens in a similar way to Saw 2 in a basement with someone in a Death Mask Trap with a mirror showing their swollen, bleeding eye. The latter even has similar camera shots, starting at the light bulb on the ceiling, then looking around the room before stopping at the mirror that shows the victim’s face and the Death Mask, then zooming out to show the full body of the victim and the victim struggling to remove the trap, then cutting to the TV that shows the instruction tape that introduces the victim and explains why they’re here, what the trap will do to them and what they have to do to save themselves, cutting to photos of an x-ray that shows the key that’s been surgically inserted behind their eye and finally cutting to the victim looking at the scalpel on the nearby table that they will need to use. The only real differences are the victim in question (Michael Marks in the movie and Campbell Iman in the game) and the fate of the victim in the trap (Michael gives up and dies while Campbell powers through it and survives). I think if the Saw video game series continued beyond the second game, the other games would’ve followed a pattern of having similar openings to the films that have the same number.
@CaliDorko a hardware store chain called bunnings hosts a sausage sizzle where a charity or other group sells sausages outside the store you spend a few bucks and you get a hot meal and it supports people in need
I would love to see an Event Horizon game. Could you imagine a level where you power on the black hole drive and get sent to that mysterious hell dimension. Visceral Games (R.I.P) to helm the project.
@@Ramonaqueenofhell that's just the narrative people with push for some reason You give them any game which has several endings depending on what you do and theyll shit on it cause not every dialogue option leads to a drastically different ending
While some of the choices were pointless, the worst offender in my opinion is cutting off Lee's arm or not. I guess it could add to the hopelessness of the situation but c'mon. Why give me a pointless option? That's fucked up. However, I do like the writing undeniably. For the most part. The more modern walking dead games (3+) are either mid or garbage. The Wolf AmOnG uS (insert laughter) is probably my favorite of the lot but I've only completed the game once when I realized end variation is miniscule. However I was hooked and engaged throughout it's runtime. I kinda lost focus on what I originally wanted to say. Make Bloodborne 2 Miyazaki, c'mon. Prequel or sequel I don't care.
To my dark sense of humour, that shotgun trap at 9:40 looks bloody hilarious. Like something you'd have in Zombie survival games or Killing Floor 😅😆🤣 The "games" in the Saw films are SO horrendous, vicious and brutal, the body horror especially makes even the Hellraiser films almost look timid. But these games, in particular the second one, look equally as bad for gameplay in general. Looks to have a great atmosphere and variation to the puzzles, but it definitely should have a tutorial, or Jigsaw's voice telling you what you need to do the first time round or something. That would have made it interesting. Great review one again.
Just reminds me how much I miss the SAW movies... Yeah, not all of them were great, but most of them have a special place in my heart. The whole mythology always kept me interested and worked pretty well for such a long running horror series. greetings from germany :-)
“ horseshit, shit from a horse “ 👌🏼🤣 Nice review , I wish I could see your face while playing, seeing your reaction when they treat you that way after you save them 😂
Honestly my biggest issue with the games was that your character(s) don’t actually suffer, and the traps quickly get old. I would’ve liked some traps that spike in difficulty with less gears, and lockpicking with more unique stuff. Also I wish you didn’t have to save every character, maybe a bad ending if you didn’t save enough people.
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It’s bugy, it’s glitchy, it’s broken but I had a lot of fun with this little “Masterpiece”...🥴...🥳
The first game is like playing a Jigsaw game that was designed and set up by John Kramer, while the sequel is like playing a Jigsaw game that Amanda rigged. One is tough but perfectly doable and the other actively wants you to lose.
You know what’d be dope? A Saw Online game. You & 5 (6) or 7(8) people having to get through random traps. Think they could pull something off on the next gens
I watched AllShamNoWow play both of these games back in like 2012 - 2013. His jokes made the game so much more easily to sit through. Great playthrough.
The trap mentioned at @26:38. After so many attempts I finally completed it, was in the scene after, and the game played the death scene for the person and counted as a loss. Almost gave up right there...
Hello, Sonny Jims. I wanna play a game.
No I don't want to
What game mate?
Minecraft
Warzone
Huniepop?
Play shin megami tensei
Sure lets play some board game.
You any good at monopoly?
You see the second game is actually genius, it forces the player to play a game that makes them suffer, recreating the experience of saw en real life, therefore making it the ultimate saw experience
hahahaha (but a game should be fun, not rage inducing if its not a rage game, good horror games don't suck at all and its fun getting scared)
@@redscience2117 That comment though made me chuckle.
Saw 2: The Torture Experience
@@Johnsen290Games but what if it is a rage game
@@Chi.mer4 well the game is supposed to be difficult and the level has some obstacles that are dangerous, and as you progress, the game throws everything that is dangerous just to kill you at all costs, but it doesn't mean it's impossible, you do need a lot of patience and a bit of luck though.
Imagine a Saw game in a similar fashion as Heavy Rain. You switch between a character in their test and a detective trying to solve the case. There would be multiple endings, actual consequences for failing puzzles instead of just a game over screen, and real choices to make which change story outcomes. That's how I always envisioned a Saw game. Not the crap we ended up getting.
I love your profile picture
That sounds like it'd be an interesting game
The first half of PS4's Until Dawn is really good.
@@TrueBlueMajikDewd great game, I just don't like story games that don't have don't let the player play
@@TrueBlueMajikDewd i actually like the entirety of until dawn, until the cliffhanger ass endings
The ultimate point of the game is to find the one special toilet that you are supposed to search.
It's basically every trip with your kids to the mall.
AllShamNoWow reference?
@@kylemajerczyk8160 or just stealing it from him
Midnight club is dead :(
the point is: the movies were shit, so why would the games be good
My older brother was one of the developers on this game. He worked for Zombie Studios after graduating art school in Seattle, developing this Saw game and another game called Blacklight. I remember he'd come home everyday depressed from work. Not only did he hate working on the game, he said his coworkers and the work environment was extremely toxic. Long hours, garbage pay, and horrible people to work with. After a year working there, my brother luckily moved on to work for Nintendo of America. But he said Zombie Studios was the worst place he's ever worked for and wasn't surprised at all when the company went under a few years later.
Holy shit, what a terrible experience, at least he works in a better place now
@@luizhenrique9397thats a sin
Wow thanks for the insight... very surprising
The Blacklight team was so toxic in retrospect. The Saw team was (I think) a lot more positive, but we only had a small crew to crank them out. Hopefully your brother is still in the industry
idk what career i want to get into, I always end up getting into it with some ego d-bag and all jobs are at-will so doesnt matter how good your career is you'll get canned for anything
In a perfect world, TellTale made a Saw game that was episodic and your choices actually mattered.
That would be a first for both SAW and Telltale lmao.
@@maxhowlett9661 yet to see a telltale choice that isn't just a dialogue change or something that gets retconned in the next episode/season.
@@friendlyreaper9012 if you kill or spare the crooked man in the wolf among us? (To clarify I DO agree telltale does have an issue with undoing the players choices LOL)
@@coughin *had
@@maxhowlett9661 yeah but telltale is good at giving you the illusion of choice, which is the most you can hope for other than in very rare circumstances in certain games
What irked me is Konami hyped the game to be almost a Silent Hill spin off.
Hullo Larry! Yeah there is a special place in hell for certain Videogame Company marketing departments.
That's like IIRC what Konami did do with Silent Hill 4: The Room (which I believe was supposed to be its own franchise or something but they assimilated it into Silent Hill, and you can see it regarding the kind of forced interplay between Silent Hill and Ashfield Heights).
(Which is incidentally the opposite of what happened with Devil May Cry 1 insofar as I believe it was supposed to be another Resident Evil game, which you can tell from the door opening and closing sound effects and the "Do you want to use such and such item here Y/N" when the answer to the latter is obviously Yes etc)
Addendum: Since I made the above comment I have been replied to several times about whether SH4 was supposed to be be a SH game or not from the beginning. I am not changing my stance on this issue but I am also sick to fucking death anymore of discussing this in the first place. Please see the tens of comments below before sending me a reply and just please leave me alone about this now.
@@bensmith1689 Konami has its own circle in hell for what they've done the past 20+ years
God I remember that wtf
even though it was never paranormal stuff to begin with LOL
When a shady publisher releases a title with a release-day review embargo:
*"Do you wanna play a game?"*
I know scary 😱😨
Well this was also around the time the imbecile trash gamer started to pop up and continues spreading to this day. The special ed gamer who thinks that any game that gets less than a 8-8.5 means that its trash....
Its "gamers" that are the problem not the publishers, the same gamers that cry about not releasing review copies, but only when its certain publishers...Their ready to eat the ass and tongue the hole while fondling their balls when its publishers like Bugthesda who constantly release broken games that take weeks if not months to fix.
Guy who is not named Joe: Is it a zombie game ?… Yes it is… oh dear lord what have we unleashed
When shady publisher promises a free steam key copy of the game for reviewers
*"Give me that key."*
Indigo Gaming is cool
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Fun Fact: The actor who played the man who wore that mask in SAW 2's opening, is the same actor who played Aiden Pearce in WATCH_DOGS.
Whoa, I never knew that! I love the first Watch Dogs game so much.
No way, underwear death mask guy is fucking Aiden Pierce? He’s got a real knack for different voices regardless of how many years have passed.
@@CallForGrandPappy Yeah man, check out his IMDb. I was just as shocked when I found that out years ago too :D
Bruh why didn't he just hack it
Wow really? What a role, didn't think he'd *hack* it!
I always loved/hated the sheer implementation of “video game logic” in this game. For example “this door is locked” meanwhile half the door is a broken window 😂
You gotta give it to them they really captivated that saw feeling of being constantly confused and verbally abused
Makes you feel for slow ass Jeff.
that intro was sick, good job gman
Yoooo Indeimaus
12 minutes ago and still no heart
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Still no saw waifu
Its the man the myth the legend Indeimaus
Preety active guy you are maus .You leave comments ,upload videos I mean thats Sallies doing but what ever
The Tapp story kinda makes sense, he had similar progression in movie series, where he is shown to become obsessive about finding Jigsaw, to the point of being self-destructive and not caring who gets hurt in the way as long as he finds and kills Jigsaw and all of his appearances.
And now he's running away from several iconic horror villians while repairing a generator alongside ash Williams and Bill from left 4 dead
The possibility of him surviving a bullet wound to the chest is also not implausible. You’d be surprised by what the human body can survive.
If I ever woke up with a Saw trap around my neck and they were like "Yeah, the key is underneath your eyeball. Here's a scalpel. Get the key before time runs out or else the mask will activate and crush your skull like a watermelon" I would just wait out the time, maybe read a bit or something. No way in Hell am I gonna be cutting near my eye to acquire the key. Nope nope nope.
Or you could just keep sleeping
@@pogchamp2280 Hahahaha exactly I'd be like "Well it's been real, hope it's just a nightmare. Going back to bed." then Jigsaw is like "Wait, for real?"
exactly, and the trap only activates when you move a bit far enough and you activate the trigger
@@Gloss613 Even then, Jigsaw may activate the trap anyway. His intelligence allows him to predict any and all outcomes of his games leading up to his death including resistance. We do see this in Saw VI, albeit John has been dead for a while in that movie, but all of the traps were his designs so Hoffman doesn't get credit for the Barbed Wire Hangman Trap where William Easton tried to resist and, well I won't spoil what happens because Saw VI is actually a fantastic movie that deserves to be seen.
"So this is how i die, alright then."
I actually like how these games tried to put a Batman/Joker spin on Tapp chasing after Jigsaw. On an audio tape in the second game, he even admits that they're "connected". I also think it's interesting how Michael winds up in a Jigsaw game just like his father did. Like it's a Tapp family mission to battle Jigsaw.
"We generally assume that video games based off movies are going to be bad, and history has shown more often than not, that's the case."
Oi, Shreck 2 the video game defined a generation!
I miss when Resident Evil wasn’t the only survival horror IP. Competition is a good thing and we need it now more than ever.
At least they’re giving us good shit. They could be shitting in our faces like 2K and EA.
Might I recommend Yomawari: Night Alone and Yuppie Psycho? Much simpler takes on the genre, but good stuff nonetheless.
I agree. I'm missing GOOD and original survival horror that isn't either all action or all atmosphere. No one, even when citing great games from the 90s, can seem to strike a good balance, or they ruin their atmosphere with too much gesturing to the audience. "Look how scary this is! Do you see? The man is a monster! Listen to his dialogue where he tells you he is a monster!" (The Medium).
Yeah, back then we had Silent Hill, Manhunt, Bioshock, Dead Space, Condemned Criminal Origins, Clock Tower, Siren, and Fatal Frame, to name a few.
I miss silet hill on ps2
"I hate saving people from certain death just to have them turn around and be rude to me, good manners cost nothing, SON!"
I love this. This sums up working as a nurse really well.
Nurses clean up actual shit, leave the life saving to the actual doctors
Lol, stop being impatient with your patients and they'll stop being rude to you.
I know your exact type, we've all seen you type of nurses
@@Coreisus you sound like a fucking loser with no respect for healthcare workers.
@@Dovahbruhh Don't mind them, they're just a sad troll who liked their own comments.
To be fair on them showing Jigsaw in the second game; the games came out after Saw 6 and (without getting into spoilers) by that point we had seen the character's face, backstory, and pretty much everything about him. All the mystery was basically already gone.
That's insane that the game came out after the movies were finished.. it seems like it was so long ago but it really wasn't. I selfishly want them to make another movie. I know it would be bad. They pretty much explained everything from what pushed him to want to torture people, up until 10 years after he died. I don't really see where they would go I just don't want it to be over
@@kane00000 We've had 2 more movies. Jigsaw, and Spiral. A tenth film is in the works.
@@kane00000jigsaw and spiral are already out and saw X comes out next month, both of them were fine, and the new one seems like it may be good as well
@@Badusername2000saw x was far more enjoyable than some of the other movies
@@hayden990 good to know, i still need to see it, wanna finish my marathon through the movies first tho
The reason the victims are rude to the detective is because, in the movie, Jigsaw explains that most people are so ungrateful to be alive, which is why they're all put in a life threatening situation. If you succeed in solving his puzzles, you're grateful to be alive.
That doesn’t make sense. If they are grateful, why would they be rude?
@@ssharkbaitNo, the only grateful one is the person that's actually trying to solve the puzzles and rescue them.
@@337Disgraciad but he isnt grateful at the end of it he does all this survives the traps only to kill himself at the end of it tap detectivr tap wasnt even greatful after his game the true ending of this game is he kills himself how is he greatful to be alive if he only kills himself at the end
@@chazeverett yeah he was grateful up until that point when he realized what jigsaw had done to him.
@@chazeverett So what? Jigsaw kidnaps these people because they are taking life for granted or are doing horrible things. He viewed it as a form of therapy. That doesn't mean that people are magically going to be super happy they are alive........ In fact if you use your brain you would realize that Jigsaw is doing some really fucked up shit because he snapped when his child was killed. Only that guy really deserved to get fucked, but John got addicted and more sadistic.
These people are traumatized. You don't just watch your coworkers get shot one by one in the chest while on a merry go round and walk away all smiles..
Also... I don't even know why you commented because you clearly don't understand how the movies go.
The people that are put in the traps are there because they are somehow related to the person Jigsaw chose to play the game. Meaning the only reason they are there in the first place is because they had associated with the main character. That is why they are mad at this Tap. Either they don't explain that part well enough and assume you just know, or this guy left out some stuff to make the game look bad for a point.
“Your the reason I’m in- *UUWEEHH*
I’m fucking crying.
9:08
What’s sad is this game could’ve been the next manhunt, with a creative stealth & combat system that doesn’t feel repetitive. But alas, we were given a game with great ideas but a lot to be desired.
True. And man hunt was awesome.
“You are perfectly healthy, sane...”
I mean he IS Aussie so...one of those is questionable
FIGHTIN' ROUND THE WORLD
Can’t believe I got a heart. Love you man and I meant that all in fun. Aussies are my favorite people and I love your country. And your mum lol
@@JoshuaJacobs83 as an aussie all I can say is, please help us, the emus are arming up for war again
@@majesticwolfyguy6629 What’s funny is I actually know that reference. Those things are bastards. I’ll gladly give my life for a country I’ve never visited. Aussies are the best
Healthy? Yes... Sane? No... Perfectly? Questionable at best...
SAW VR would be a fun little game to have.
On an unrelated note: Leigh Whannel is an incredibly underrated writer and director. Insidious, Upgrade and The Invisible Man are really good movies.
@@cactusmalone what made you think The Invisible Man was garbage?
@@cactusmalone insidious average at best? How, IMO that’s probably one of the most underrated horror movies
@@cactusmalone Edgelord Incel
James Wan and Leigh Whannell are fantastic filmmakers.
@@rahjeel the main character just did super stupid shit all the time, like this bitch had a fucking gun right in front of her with a clear shot at the dude and she literally just waited for him to finish
They confirmed they’re making another Saw game. The franchise has all the potential to have an amazing game. Hope they can do it justice finally.
No they haven't lmao. Stop your lying trolling ass.
@@holleringsmith3837 They literally did like a year ago lmao, but we've heard nothing since
Imagine being a veteran detective and properly doing everything you possibly can to look into the case and saving many lives on the journey trying to catch a serial killer. Only for those rescued survivors to resent/hate you and at the same time throwing away the lesson behind surviving one of jigsaws traps nobody can help you XD
According to the 1st game's plot some of them seem to think that Tapp's obsession with catching Jigsaw is why they're in this mess without admitting their own flaws and after Tapp frees them instead of being grateful the refusal to admit to their own flaws leads them to put the blame on Tapp because it's easier to find a scapegoat then admit that they caused Jigsaw to target them because of their own flaws most well-known example is David's wife as it's revealed during the segment where you rescue her that after David's murder due to that one bomb trap Jigsaw set up for the cops in the first film that she became a neglectful parent who would rather go out and party, and get drunk then take care of her son, and instead of realizing she was the one hurting her son emotionally, and mentally she would blame Tapp for her husband's death complete with her stating that everything that has recently gone wrong in the homelife of her, and her son after David's death was all Tapp's fault due to his pursuit of Jigsaw, and this dialogue between her and Jigsaw spells out her flaws when you find the TV.
David's wife: "It's all Tapp's fault he's the reason why my husband is dead, why me and my son are suffering right now I'm doing what my husband told me to do and show nothing but hatred towards his killer."
Jigsaw: "The dead cannot influence the living, and Detective Tapp is not to blame for your son's neglect that happened because of you because you chose to willingly neglect him, and become a raging alcoholic, and leave every night and day to head to the bar to get drunk."
David's wife: "You're wrong it's Tapp's fault, my husband's murder, my son's troubling attitude they're all because of Tapp and when I get out of here I'll prove it I'll prove that Tapp is the one who should deserve to pay so my husband can get justice and me and my son's lives can return to normal."
Condemned criminal origins was the best Saw game ever made
I was waiting for someone to mention that gem. Its sequel is also worth a play through, despite it going for more traditional jump scares.
The first one definitely was. Wasn't a big fan of the second one even though it still had it's merits.
@@alucard624 the 2nd one IMO is way better and along with the multiplayer back then.. 0.0 perfection.
The Party Room from RE 7
@@thatonebee6095 The Party Room from RE7 doesn't count cuz it was completely stacked against the favor of those who were put through it. The Saw traps have at least some way to beat them. The Party Room, and the card game in the DLC, fill you with some sense of hope that you're finally free when you beat them, or get close to beating them, only for them to then slap your nuts with a spiked pan covered in acid, laugh at your pain and suffering, and then kill you right then and there, slowly and painfully.
This necrophilia about my Mom is getting out of hand.
Good sense of humour.
This joke had me dead
Please leave my corpse alone
Wot
@@TOAOM123 will do sonny jim
@@PedroYippeekayaye no
I feel like Gman's Saw Trap would be having to speedrun every Doom game on the hardest difficulty while a machine constantly shoves Rueben Sandwhiches into his mouth, and he has to complete the marathon before his stomach explodes.
That's just the Gluttony kill from seven with extra steps
Nah, Play the ALL releases Serious Sam games on Mental with 100% kills and secrets. Mind there are at least 4 different versions of the first game alone.
Schwacked
EVERY Doom game, not just the recent two.
@@jorm1652 There's not that many official Doom games.
The Ultimate Doom
Doom II
Final Doom
The Master Levels?
Doom 64
Doom 3 (And I guess that other campaign for Doom 2?)
Doom 2016
Doom Eternal
Doom RPG 1 + 2
Unless you're talking about EVERY single port of each doom game exists.
I owned this game as a kid and the box art scared me so much that I never played it and I hid the case behind the other games on my shelf.
Good memories lol
It’s sad because you can’t find a digital copy anywhere and people on eBay are selling it for like 500 bucks all because you can’t get it anywhere else (i mean you could pirate it but that’s a decision on your morality there)
@@tylerschuck5442 Just pirate it, the only people making money on an ebay auction is the ebay seller not the game devs/studio ect. Nothing wrong with pirating a game that the studio has no interest in trying to provide/preserve as opposed to some ebay seller trying to rip you off.
The voice actor for Tapp in the first game doesnt belong to Donald Glover, but instead to Earl Alexander, who is also Louis from left for dead, which made this game absolutely hilarious for me whenever tapp raised his voice
where are you jigsaw.. I won't play your games i WONT!
DAHHH!!!
"That's some country ass, bullshit!"
"Pills here!"
Lol Who’s Donald Glover? I think you mean Danny Glover.
I wanna see a collab of Mandalore and Gman and Sseth
Why’d you list Sseth twice?
Hey hey people
@@TOAOM123 there's no way to read that not in his voice
If I remember, this didn't get censored or banned in Australia... How did this not get banned but something like Reservoir Dogs (The game) got banned... Or even Manhunt. I mean, they almost banned CoD WW2 because of the sound of a zipper...
probably it was bad and boring so they didn’t bothered
@@ulqinaku8471 well oof for them if it's that bad
what's this about a zipper?
@@SnowThenDen There's a scene in CoD WW2 where a German soldier pushes a woman into a closet, originally there was a zipper sound, Australia threatened to not allow the game because they said it encouraged sexual assault and violence against women, or something like that, so they had to censor the zipping sound, I believe for every version. Not that it makes much of a difference.
@@DCGMatthew1 That is so goddamn stupid I cant even... ;_;
*G-GET ME OUT OF HERE, HELP ME! OH FUCK!* -quality voice acting found in the sound menu
Ho Fuck l ho shit
Love it when an amazing review actually has positive things to say about a game everyone took a huge turd on. I used to think the first Saw game was a heap of trash just because that's what everyone said about it but now I actually kinda wanna give it a try!
So basically you haven't changed a bit😂
You are still a sheep with no self thought or analysis
I think they could make an amazing saw game in vr that really puts you in the traps. That would be sick
It's not ironic, it's coincidental that two games that play alike run on iterations of the same engine.
It's literally the opposite of a coincidence lol
i really like the level where you infiltrate civvie11's dungeon
"Do you want to play a game?"
No, I really don't, maybe if they were good.
Well, the first game was pretty good, not the second one though.
“ gimme that key “
“ what, this key? “
* pulls trigger *
😂 29:04
As someone who was absolutely petrified of this franchise, to the point where I literally had to go to therapy and watch all of the movies afterwards just to get over it, I ended up loving it in the end, I REALLY wanted the first game to go somewhere. I didnt play it but I heard a lot of negative things about it. I bought the sequel on the ps3 and I still love the design of it, I guess its time to get into the nitty gritty of the first game.
Konami used to make video games? That's incredible.
I know right
2 years later and this got old like a fine wine lol
With an intro like this, GMAN earned himself a new subscriber!!!
With modern graphics, i feel like this could work really well if it had its own story, and if it was first person
Graphics won't help much alone
The game already looks pretty damn good
I feel like it shouldn't be mandatory to save everyone, since in the films the protagonists who go through a similar test (Jeff, Rigg, William and Bobby) got most if not all of them killed. Whether they lived or died should've affected the ending or something.
Now I want a spec ops the line review.
I searched it recently wondering if he'd done one before.
Ayeee same !
@@giygas_9577 Same lol
We need to get him to review spec ops
Absolutely. Def in his wheelhouse
10:23 "Shotgun Lobotomy" sounds like a Doom tribute band.
Just like what happens in the movies, these games are torture
Fortnite is pretty fun when you have friends to play it with, which I happen to have. It’s not a bad game unless you give up on it after a few losses and say it’s bad without trying to get better. I don’t understand why people act like it’s the worst thing ever and constant over exaggerate it when there are far worse games out there
@Frank Basile Bruh the puzzles got INSANELY repetitive by the midway point
@@solidskullz5736 It’s kinda repetitive, for one. That’s why i stopped playing.
I'm surprised there hasn't been another Saw game in such a long time. The series is perfect for game adaptations
Finally, I have been defending this game since release date. It's a fun game. The sequel was awful.
The intro is exactly what jigsaw would capture people for
Please don’t ever stop using the Tourettes Guy sound clips
BITCH!!
@@crash4267 I love you...
LAST TIME I GAVE A SHIT, I GOT FUCKED!
Who is this guy? I see him referenced a lot in his videos, but I'm new to the channel.
@@nooneinparticular3370 if this isn’t sarcasm look him up on RUclips. Look for the guy in a blue Tony the Tiger shirt wearing a neck brace
I thought you just like playing bad games now
It's a guilty pleasure
Kinda surprising to see these games being worth so much money nowadays. I remember seeing them at gamestop for like $10 several years ago.
Also "Gimmie that key" 😆
So the reason the people attack you, if I remember correctly is that Jigsaw (supposedly) hid a key that leads out of the asylum inside of Tapp’s body, and let all the other people know that in hopes that they’d use it as incentive to attack and kill him to get the key
"Either that(insane asylum) or an abandoned carnival, an abandoned school or..."
An abandoned warehouse or factory?
"... an anime convention."
Eh, fair enough.
I can't figure out if it's the editing or your narration, your videos just seem even better recently
Gman: _Do i continue to torture myself for the amusement of others_
Me: Yes
Was I the only one to get scared when looking at the game cover in GameStop? True nightmares thanks to the hyper-realistic puppet
I remember actually being surprised by the original Saw game being a decent game.
Would love to see gman in a horror movie, him just blasting all the monsters with a shotgun and calling them jimbo
Yeah, I totally agree with you here. The first Saw game was a pretty good, and they obviously put a lot of effort into it. There’s tons of things that tie in to the movies and a bunch of Easter eggs and references hidden throughout. Plus, whenever you’re caught in a trap and have to solve some kind of puzzle as quickly as possible before you get killed, it really gets your heart racing!
"Do you want to play a game?" yeah but definitely not the Saw games.
AND DEFINITELY NOT HUNT DOWN THE FREEMAN.
@@aryabratsahoo7474 god help us all.
The first game is relatively decent, but the second one is just garbage.
The combat in the first game is hilarious. The best attack is just a standard jab, since its way quicker than any of the weapons you can pick up and hitting the enemy AI stun locks them. Save for a few "special" enemy types.
I always thought Saw would be great set in a Telltale type game, or a Until Dawn style...that would be amazing I think.
Saw 09 game was licensed game kino. It's not perfect for sure, but it's still one of my favorite licensed games.
"Take a dump in your cereal bowl."
So that's how Count Chocula is made.
I kind of like the head canon of the Riddler in the dark Knight movies being a kind of Jigsaw-like character.
I guess enough fighting and nuclear explosions in that idea.
🎩
🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
IS THAT GEORGE FLYODD AT 2:08?!?!
I noticed an interesting detail about the two games. The first Saw video game opens in a similar way to the first Saw movie (in a dirty, dilapidated bathroom) and Saw 2: Flesh and Blood opens in a similar way to Saw 2 in a basement with someone in a Death Mask Trap with a mirror showing their swollen, bleeding eye. The latter even has similar camera shots, starting at the light bulb on the ceiling, then looking around the room before stopping at the mirror that shows the victim’s face and the Death Mask, then zooming out to show the full body of the victim and the victim struggling to remove the trap, then cutting to the TV that shows the instruction tape that introduces the victim and explains why they’re here, what the trap will do to them and what they have to do to save themselves, cutting to photos of an x-ray that shows the key that’s been surgically inserted behind their eye and finally cutting to the victim looking at the scalpel on the nearby table that they will need to use. The only real differences are the victim in question (Michael Marks in the movie and Campbell Iman in the game) and the fate of the victim in the trap (Michael gives up and dies while Campbell powers through it and survives).
I think if the Saw video game series continued beyond the second game, the other games would’ve followed a pattern of having similar openings to the films that have the same number.
this might be a sign no decent games have come out recently
Amnesia?
I mean he only plays FPS. Get real
@@jayomega2717 Modern AAA JRPGs are trash as well. It's all about tits and cringy overly cel-shaded graphics.
Yes they have, 3a games hv all been shit for years but look at the indie games that hv came out
@@pretzelboi64 DMC5, Sekiro, Monster Hunter World, Monster Hunter Rise, DB Fighterz. Plenty of AAA games that are good
In Australia, every weekend they go to the hardware store parking lot to eat sausages on sliced bread made by the staff. 🌭
@CaliDorko a hardware store chain called bunnings hosts a sausage sizzle where a charity or other group sells sausages outside the store you spend a few bucks and you get a hot meal and it supports people in need
@@bencousins7311 Ben, are you considering playing AFL again?
I would love to see an Event Horizon game. Could you imagine a level where you power on the black hole drive and get sent to that mysterious hell dimension. Visceral Games (R.I.P) to helm the project.
Imagine a Telltale style Saw game with good writing and impactfulll choices, that's all I want
> TellTale Style
> Impactful Choices
Pick one.
@@chrism1518 have you played a telltale game before? Play the enemy within
@@Ramonaqueenofhell that's just the narrative people with push for some reason
You give them any game which has several endings depending on what you do and theyll shit on it cause not every dialogue option leads to a drastically different ending
While some of the choices were pointless, the worst offender in my opinion is cutting off Lee's arm or not. I guess it could add to the hopelessness of the situation but c'mon. Why give me a pointless option? That's fucked up.
However, I do like the writing undeniably. For the most part. The more modern walking dead games (3+) are either mid or garbage. The Wolf AmOnG uS (insert laughter) is probably my favorite of the lot but I've only completed the game once when I realized end variation is miniscule. However I was hooked and engaged throughout it's runtime.
I kinda lost focus on what I originally wanted to say. Make Bloodborne 2 Miyazaki, c'mon. Prequel or sequel I don't care.
Nah fr
To my dark sense of humour, that shotgun trap at 9:40 looks bloody hilarious. Like something you'd have in Zombie survival games or Killing Floor 😅😆🤣
The "games" in the Saw films are SO horrendous, vicious and brutal, the body horror especially makes even the Hellraiser films almost look timid. But these games, in particular the second one, look equally as bad for gameplay in general. Looks to have a great atmosphere and variation to the puzzles, but it definitely should have a tutorial, or Jigsaw's voice telling you what you need to do the first time round or something. That would have made it interesting. Great review one again.
Jerma has the best stream playthroughs of the saw games. Absolute perfection
"or an anime convention"
Too real
Just reminds me how much I miss the SAW movies... Yeah, not all of them were great, but most of them have a special place in my heart. The whole mythology always kept me interested and worked pretty well for such a long running horror series.
greetings from germany :-)
Most of them are dogshit.
A saw game done really well in VR is something I’m praying for
voice clips from Tourette’s Guy really brings me back
“ horseshit, shit from a horse “ 👌🏼🤣 Nice review , I wish I could see your face while playing, seeing your reaction when they treat you that way after you save them 😂
Honestly my biggest issue with the games was that your character(s) don’t actually suffer, and the traps quickly get old. I would’ve liked some traps that spike in difficulty with less gears, and lockpicking with more unique stuff. Also I wish you didn’t have to save every character, maybe a bad ending if you didn’t save enough people.
It’s bugy, it’s glitchy, it’s broken but I had a lot of fun with this little “Masterpiece”...🥴...🥳
“Your final challenge: let yo bih go through yo phone
Ah hell na yo ass tweaking jigsaw
The first game is like playing a Jigsaw game that was designed and set up by John Kramer, while the sequel is like playing a Jigsaw game that Amanda rigged.
One is tough but perfectly doable and the other actively wants you to lose.
AllShamNoWow's playthrough of the 2 games is hilarious
Have you seen the Super Beard Brothers' playthroughs? Absolute classics
Trueeee.
I watched every playthrough at least 4 times lmao
I love when he makes 'your mom' jokes
Almost like how your mom loves me
s'wack
SCHWACKED
I love your mom
I remember being pleasantly surprised how decent the first game was for a licenced game.
Me too. It actually was not that bad for what it does. The second one is a complete dumpster fire, though.
You know what’d be dope? A Saw Online game. You & 5 (6) or 7(8) people having to get through random traps. Think they could pull something off on the next gens
This would be awesome tbh.
I actively sought out these games for 5 years... i ended up finding a copy of flesh and blood in a gamestop in vegas😂
Would you say it was worth it?
@@baldr6894 The irony is I havent played it yet… but the chase was still worth it
With that intro I was expecting G-man to yell “AAAAAASS!” and then hear
“He’s gonna take you back to the past.” 🎶
You mean tourettes guy to yell ass? I don't recall G-Man yelling ass, but he uses that tourettes guy clip a lot.
I remember watching Super Beard Bros play these games, their suffering was glorious
Saw is the perfect series for telltale style game
Too bad they arnt here anymore :(
:((
That's a good thing. They should have stopped.
Hilarious review and i learned a lot. Thanks for making such a fun video full of Danny swearing!
This was awesome, And I loved the intro haha!!!
1:12 Speaking of that you should totally do a review of that.
i wish there was a saw telltale game that wouldve been absolutely amazing
I watched AllShamNoWow play both of these games back in like 2012 - 2013. His jokes made the game so much more easily to sit through. Great playthrough.
The trap mentioned at @26:38. After so many attempts I finally completed it, was in the scene after, and the game played the death scene for the person and counted as a loss. Almost gave up right there...
Why do I think that part 1:27 so hilarious?
I kept replaying that.
Is there a video linking to that moment?