The fact that a single NPC can have 3 different artstyle approaches on their body is fucking with my head. They'll have a cartoonish face, a semi-detailed but still stylised jacket with minor details, and a photoreal undershirt with visible stitching, all on top of a low poly model with a misaligned skeleton. And then, to top it off, some of those textures will have the deep shadows (eg; around the pockets) "painted" on, but without any sort of bump mapping so that the simulated world lighting will just hit everything with a flat sheen, making it look like one of those funny shirts with a tuxedo printed onto it. And THEN, sometimes things WILL have bump mapping, BUT the specular and reflectiveness settings are the same across what should be leather and what should be cotton. It's unbelievable that a company who made £1 billion in under 3 days could allow this to go on sale.
Rockstar isn’t the same awesome third party company that it used to be back in the early 2000s. It’s just sad that they’re no longer making any original IP games that they use to make. Now looking and playing the definitive version of Sam Andreas just shows that Rockstar didn’t put any effort in these classic games. Seriously it makes the ps2 and Xbox version of those games look like a masterpiece in comparison.
@Spawn Yes, but we're talking about the most successful entertainment franchise in history. They can afford it. The only reason any track shouldn't be in here is if the original artists don't want their songs in anymore. Take 2 are just cheapskates all round.
I get what youre saying but take two may as well have infinite money, the impact of shelling out a billion dollars for a soundtrack probably doesnt even register, but they dont care. They just wanted to cash in on this trend of remakes and re-releases in the laziest and lowest effort way possible
@@MrSnaztastic i can understand a few things like Michael Jackson not making it, but so many of these cut songs should be more than affordable for this big of a company
The definitive edition is exactly why people don't like the look of those off-hand projects of "Old game X in Unreal" because it has all these pseudo-realistic effects over cartoony aesthetics and they just clash in a surreal way and destroys what made it's appearance iconic.
It honestly does look like one of those unity asset flip games. Cheap plastic against decent lighting or over done lighting and bad use of particle effects.
Yup, seems like they didnt even bother improving or updating the sfx especially the gun sounds from SA. I remember on the PS2 the guns sound god awful and from these clips seems like nothings changed of course
This studio ( not rockstar ) of literal 10 people were expected to remaster three games in 6 months. Seriously that’s a crime. No one can do that. Rockstar parent company really did it for the cash grab. It was a easy cash grab. Exploiting nostalgia. The og devs are quitting because of this. They have no power. They can watch but with no say.
yeah, honestly they should've actually gotten R* Dundee to lead this remaster like they were boasting about in a few articles instead of pushing everything onto this small-time studio.
I still don't know why they didn't do something like release one remastered game every 12-18 months rather than rushing to cobble together three massive failures, they'd of made way more money if these were actually good remasters...
Jesus Christ cheer up ya miserable bastards 😂 they did a good job imo, better than you could've done I don't see you lot trying to remaster these games, I'm just happy to play these games again with enhanced graphics sure it wasn't perfect but what game is? There's always something people will complain about 😂
Agree. Grove Street Games did an awful job but it was on Rockstar as a publisher to hit the brakes and not release that pile of shit we have now. Now that Grove Street Games is pulled from the remaster, we can't expect any more updates for these games.
@@अंबादासजाधव-स7ङ Thank you for the kind words, dear sir! Isn't it beautiful how hate for shoddy craftsmanship has the power to unite people across the globe?
You could call it "a Blizzard" as much as you could call it "a From Software", or "a Bethesda", or "a Square Enix", to be fair. When the Dark Souls 1 Remaster came out, the PtD Edition was removed from stores. Same deal with the Skyrim Special Edition which replaced the Skyrim Legendary Edition, and Dragon Quest XI S which replaced the original port.
@@lunos9739 At least with Skyrim, you can still play Special Edition without the Anniversary content, though your scripts on certain mods on PC will break if you let Steam do the Anniversary update.
@@IsM1ku G2A is bad, I hear they sell stolen keys, I didn't trust people who said it and thought they were just unlucky, I bought Rage and Titan quest: Inmortal throne and both games were taken out of my library because their keys were bought with stolen credit cards probadly, in G2A I don't trust, since then I tell everyone the same thing.
the moment I saw that they used the wrong logo for a radio station in the radio wheel I knew this was going to be bad. It's such a simple thing to fix and I noticed it 30 seconds into GTA3 yet they couldn't be bothered. Really shows the amount of care that went into this. I'm glad I still own copies of the originals on multiple platforms.
@@pnutz_2 I mean, even at that, I would have expected it to look better than this! It's like they couldn't decide between high fidelity graphics and the style of the original, so it just comes out looking like a mess.
I saw the gameplay footage before I knew it was an official release, I genuinely thought it was one of those cringy mods where someone just makes everything wet and reflective
In my head, GTA never looked "Realistic" untill 4. I always viewed it like an MTV cartoon in the style of something like Aeon Flux and thought China Town Wars really capitalized on that aesthetic. It seems the "Definitive" edition tried to make these toony chars look realistic like the newer games and it failed hard. Clearly the AI was turned to "realism" and not "stylized" lmfao.
Its not even a rain effect, it's the default content example for particles with collision that comes with the engine, they just scaled it up on every dimension and attached it to the the root of the player camera so it follows you around. It's pathetic because it looks like it rotates with the camera so they were too lazy to even separate the rotation when they attached it to the camera. Not even joking, this is the same half assed attempt at rain I made when I had like 2 weeks of experience with the engine. Like this is alarmingly amateurish for a company with this kind of money,
@@Litevaar YES! I mean, I worked with Unity for a few weeks as well! It's the same shit I've done. It was around 2014 so I really don't remember much about it. But yes. That's exactly what you said.
The reason they removed it from the Rockstar launcher is actually because some modders figured out the games are literally just the Renderware originals running on top of Unreal, plus these *adjustments*. The same code, same leftovers, same archives, even the disabled Hot Coffee code, it's all there. You have the very same old bugs and glitches, not a single one corrected, with new ones added by this porting process. Most of the actual porting was clearly done with automatic tools, like they literally just applied some AI upscale filter on most textures, you can find artifacts and everything. Except it was all left unprotected so Grove Street Games accidentally handed them the source code for all three games. It's a disaster.
I love the point you made about aesthetics vs. tech spec graphics. Older games can still look appealing even now due to their art direction & aesthetics even if they're dated tech wise.
In the past: you make do with that you have, even if it werent top notch graphics, you made it work just good. Today: You are just trying to slap the most realistic textures, you dont care about if it fits or not, if it looks realistic. Even if you could have made a better game if it was more stylized...
@@drifter402 Well sorta. The originals weren't ever the best looking games, even at the time. But the games did still carry a bit of atmosphere with their coloring and effects, especially on the PS2. SA on PS2 has a certain bit of soul that's missing in the other versions with its color usage and heat haze.
Funniest part is that Grove Street Games is the same company that made the XBox 360 port of San Andreas, which was a technical mess and used a version of the IOS port. This still used it too, still having assets in the files for Mobile buttons.
They used AI to finish up most of the models. That’s why they look so soulless, because you were right. They literally just didn’t care. I’m terrified to see what they’ll do to RDR1 now.
I’m actually playing RDR1 on XBSX, and I think it really doesn’t need a remaster at all specially remasters like this that deletes contents and mess up most things
People who bought the trilogy: I DEMAND REVENGE!!!!!!! People who still believe that “violence in video games makes people violent”: join us, and you will have your revenge People who bought the trilogy: deal *The entire video game industry collapses because some of the gaming community couldn’t control their anger*
A RDR1 remaster should only be graphics update from the RDR1 original graphics to the RDR2 since both games uses a version of the same RAGE engine. Anything else is just asking for trouble
Honestly, Vice City was my childhood. Especially on PS2 it was such a precious part of my childhood (yes I was about 12 lol). Seeing this remaster is like a knife through my heart. Honestly, I think this remaster might be the thing that finally turns me off gaming. If this is what we have been reduced to, whats the point? A comment someone else makes is so true: GTA Online has made them billions, but they can't afford the licences for the old radio stations?
You should try the og xbox versions if you ever get a chance. They had this awesome feature where you can have your own radio station with your own music. It was awesome at the time. So fn annoying that xbox users are stuck with these garbage versions or that garbage mobile port of San andres that they replaced the og xbox version with.
like any other industry: greed will be the death of it. these games came out just before corporations realized just how profitable video games are, since that realization it has been a crap shoot as to if you're going to get a worthwhile game or not. I find this remaster trend gaming's version of Hollywood remaking old classics into huge disappointments, it also signals that a lot of the film and development studios are creatively bankrupted due to the current over-supply in both forms of media.
tbf vice city is the best one out of the three. i had nothing to complain about 🤷🏼♀️ doesn't feel much different to the original except for smoother gameplay. but i had not much to complain about the others as well, just a few songs i was missing but that doesn't really take away from the gameplay fun for me. sorry but people need to understand that it will never be as charming as the first time you play through a game, especially if it's such a long time ago. ppl just set their expectations to high imo..
@JackyBandicoot subjective. Majority of people love san andreas as the best. Even sold way more than vice. Both great regardless but even the memes online all centred around CJ. Prob the most popular and well known rockstar main character. And not surprised.
The biggest thing for me was how they sent their lawyers after people who were modding the original games that are ~20 years old by this point. Reforged screwed up a whole bunch of things, but not even Blizzard stooped that low.
@@Marcelelias11 . They did a wonderful job cause they lost a 20 year fan with me. I refunded this garbage and went back to the OG Xbox versions and the Vita versions. I love that Xbox backwards compatibility
Yeah, it's kinda unbelievable someone saw this and said _"Yes. Looks good. I approve of this."_ The rain drops (or rather lines) look like they are almost solid white. Like it went from 95% see-through to 5% see-through. It's just way too visible, making it irritating as hell and a pain to navigate through.
@@avae5343 you might have, but you must have stopped half way through or used too much automation, and no quality controll/testing and bug fixing. Is it strange that people complain about such a broken product?
Not me!!!! I flipped rockstar off and never played It knowing It was going to be a disaster. Not saying I’m better than anyone I’m just one of the people that got tired of being handed garbage from lazy ass devs.
That "cars exploding much sooner" thing sounds like a Frames Per Second issue. The old games would have calculated time in frames, so when say 200 frames pass from the moment a vehicle ignites it explodes. at 20 fps this would take 10 seconds. At 60? A bit over three seconds. No idea what the actual numbers are, but I hope that helps!
There's this trend now of mistaking low polycounts and low texture resolutions for being cartoony. GTA had a realistic sense to it, and the character models were more like caricatures than cartoons.
A caricature is a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.
@@piotrgrzelak2613 A cartoon is a type of illustration that is typically drawn, sometimes animated, in an unrealistic or semi-realistic style. The specific meaning has evolved over time, but the modern usage usually refers to either: an image or series of images intended for satire, caricature, or humor
@@piotrgrzelak2613 A caricature is a rendered image showing the features of its subject in a simplified or exaggerated way through sketching, pencil strokes, or through other artistic drawings (compare to: cartoon). Caricatures can be insulting or complimentary and can serve a political purpose or be drawn solely for entertainment. Caricatures of politicians are commonly used in editorial cartoons, while caricatures of movie stars are often found in entertainment magazines.
14:28 - dear GmanLives, thank you very much for sublime everything that I wanted to say about GTA3's Liberty City and it's atmosphere. For me it always was a criminal capital, that lives last days before 911, it capitalises everything about crime right before it, and its foggy cold atmosphere was making game unique, and, as you said, make you want to take 2 showers. Yet feels like nobody loves it today, everyone is blinded of 80s vhs nostalgia and seeing in Vice city something, that it have not
Agreed. To me, GTA 3 was always a 90's game, and it had that atmosphere of cynicism and edginess before corporations started capitalizing on it in the actual 00's. It was also very noir. Sure, it was set in 2001, but it didn't represent the 2000's. GTA SA, by comparison, for a game set in 1992, was very 2000's. Kinda sad, really. And let's not forget that GTA 3 was supposedly set in autumn, so the foggy, cold feeling makes sense too. And yes, the 80's nostalgia is nauseating these days.
GTA 3 a game from 2001 Yes 2001! Is still better than its "Improved" version from 2021 its a difference of 20 years! Rockstar shoukd know War Drum Studios AKA Grove Street Games did horrible on the 10th Anniversary and they messed up again for the Definitive Edition! Mafia 1 Definitive Edition did a whole remake instead of looking like a HD Mod for GTA
They got rid of Vice City's orignal selection screen?! That selection screen was cool: it looked like something from a 1980's music video. The background changed when a different menu was selected.
The state they released these games in is EXACTLY what Rockstar thinks of their fanbase. If they really had any respect for their fans then there would've been some serious quality control instead of out sourcing the entire thing and calling it a day.
With how much GTA V and RDR2 made for Rockstar, they can't say they didn't have the means to hire a better team or even license the old songs. Modders usually fix a broken game within 24 hours or improve a game dramatically in a few weeks, so companies don't bother putting in the effort.
This whole tactic of coming out with a “remastered edition” of an old game that’s either barely an upgrade from the original or even a downgrade from the original, selling it at full price and then delisting the original so you’re forced to pay for the new full price “remaster” is getting disappointingly common. It’s just nothing but pure greed from the developers designed to cash in on old IPs by putting in almost no effort. GTA Definitive, Dark Souls prepare to die edition, Kingdoms of Amalur: Rereckoining... I’m getting sick of it.
I'm tired of it too. You go to any youtube video of any old game and you will see people say stupid things like "wow this game deserves a remaster" or "the devs should remake this game" and other things. It's like they're begging for the devs to feed them poison intentionally.
I'm sure the developers have no fault in this, this is clearly R* business side. I'd be pissed too if I was a developer of the OG games, and knew that your game is going to be replaced by an inferior version of it.
Yes it's disgusting. And the fact they're sueing modders for.their hard effort and love for the game.. for this lazy slop they couldn't be bothered with... It's absolutely disgusting,
Look at mafia 2 de and mafia 3 de. Stop nitpicking mafia de. It was a complete remake of one game. These are 3 full gta games you want remade which would take at the least 5 - 7 years especially if you want a finished product.
Because graphics are only addiction to story, gameplay and atmosphere. Not a single game became classic and widely loved by a public just because it's graphics. And also even modern ultra-detalized, ray-traced, super-puper graphics 10 years later will became obsolete crap comparing to that technical level of graphics that will be contemporary in future.
I'm enjoying San andreas, probably cause it's free on gamepass and I didn't have to pay for it. The controls more than make up for the bugs. I can finally beat the low rider race without rage quitting.
You know what's worse? The people who made the mobile GTA games, literally ported the mobile game to the consoles and pc, and have the audacity to charge it full price... it gets worse, the director doesn't care at all, neither does Take two I'm not surprised, and I knew it was trash because they didn't show gameplay
Idk why but I had a feeling this wasn’t gonna live up to the hype and I didn’t even have that info having the Mobile game and charge it as a console game, that’s fucked up either way you look at it
Hopefully nothing. It's pretty apparent that this was a total quick-cash grab; re-release our most popular games with a few new "enhancements" and throw a modern price tag on it and call it a day. They've probably forgotten about Bully, Red Dead Revolver, the Midnight Club series, etc so they won't be touched and shouldn't be touched if this is the quality we can expect from R⭐️ from now on
They actually didn't even use new textures for most of the games, they instead AI upscaled alot of the old textures leading to tons of uneven texturing and misspelled signs.
Remember when Bluepoint remade Shadow of the Colossus? Improving every single aspect of the game while taking the utmost care to retain the character and greatness of the original PS2 game…this is the opposite of that ☺️
@@MrStimpson38 I'm pretty sure that because bluepoint garnered such good faith with the companies it worked with that they're being made into a full on studio by Sony that will work on their own games now. I may be mis-remembering, but I'm sure that's the case.
Definitely with you on the rain. That DAMNED rain! I planned on playing the series in order but it didn't really matter too much story-wise so went with Vice City, which is also my personal favourite other than IV (Serbian Immigrant in New York?! YES!) But although there are many setbacks from the originals and having loved GTA since the first release and still own all the original copies, even that questionable "remaster" of SA for 360, PS3 and PC, was also terrible. The planes would randomly disappear when flying overhead which was one thing I loved about the original SA was all the cool NPC things going on... CJ's sisters head being a completely different colour than her body. Bought the Definitive on my XBOX One and so far definitely noticed small things that piss me off right off the bat, especially cars blowing up has screwed up so many missions, and again THE RAIN! But all in all, as much as there are many negative things about it, being as old as they were as mentioned, at least there was an effort in general. Lazy? Yeah, but an effort nonetheless and it is nice to be able to play them on a more modern console and still have yet to be deterred from my childhood favourite series of games other than Sly Cooper. Being said, thank you for all your effort in making this video and I am with ya! Just hope it hasn't killed your love for them too much. GTA V on the other hand ruined mine with missing the deadline to swap my character from PS3 to XB1 and they wouldn't help so I stopped playing since I lost a year of progress of consistent playing and went with RDR2 and loved it more. Lol Cheers to many more good vids, man! Cheers!
When the Definitive Edition was first announced, when I heard Grove Street Games, formerly War Drum Studios, was going to develop this version, I was both hopeful and worried about what was going to happen. I expected it to be a disaster considering the San Andreas mobile ports, but I also hoped it would be done justice, a chance for Grove Street to redeem themselves over the SA ports. And turns out, as I feared, they managed to screw up. At this point I think we should expect Grove Street not to touch anything that's GTA anymore.
Well to be fair, there were only 20 people in charge of the remasters. Rockstar didn't give a sh*t and only gave them a small budget. Honestly Rockstar deserves all the hate they're getting with the remasters and GTA V for the ps5. They've become the same lazy, corporate f*cks they used to criticize in their older games.
Yeah, I can understand stuff like not being able to relicense certain songs, but I'd expect a "definitive edition" to find some other songs to replace them with, as opposed to just a void where content used to be.
these Games are so Iconic they really should have just rebuilt them completely. we could have played these games with the shooting controls from the newer games. Rockstar makes so much money every year this just comes off as extremely lazy and the fact that they Butchered the Vice City Soundtrack makes me sad too as I used to spend hours just driving around listening to it.
Nah I think they are too arcady for something like the RAGE engine. I would have preferred straight up ports of the Xbox Versions with the modern gameplay enhancements of this current remaster. Some of the voice actors are dead and the original quality audio just won't fit if it was completely rebuilt.
@@sejtanskifazoni5752 Then why the $60 pricetag? Bethesda and CDPR offers next gen upgrade for free to those who owns it, even Mafia DE is cheaper which is $40, Know your products, don't be a cow to a company, and company should treat their customers as a KING, not the other way around.
@@AhmadWahelsa no, he ain't shilling. Just informing. Remakes and remasters are different things. Remasters are taking a game and building on top of it. Remakes are rebuilding the same game from Scratch with newer hardware and innovations to the game.
This just shows how desperate they got when Mafia got it's "definitive edition". That's exactly why the developers of Mafia chose to do it from scratch, rather than this sort of "remaster" they did with GTA. They knew that it would be impossible to recreate the original Mafia using the orignal assets, that it would not just be broken, but actually not viable commercially. Shameful is the word I'd use to describe this thing they did here. It would had been much more fair to the fans to just had the game fixed work perfect on modern Windows.
The problem is not maximizing profit. Is that we accept games that are NOT decent. Dont give them money, see how fast they actually try to make a good game.
@@johnx140 The even bigger problem is that most people don't care as much as we do and they don't want to care. To them, it really is as deep as "I want the thing, so I get the thing."
@@kizoaoy7423 instead of having one of the main studios work on it they farmed it out to some trash tier mobile game developer? and they got trash tier results, this was just a cash grab through and through.
@@Holesale00 Hate to break it to you but RSG doesn't have key developers for a long time now. They source out independent cheap talent. The updates in Online are just flipped asssets that a programmer slaps together in one day. It is far evident when GTA5 was released how incosistent everything was. Lets mention one example, the models. You have one model that looks like it came out from a PS2 game, another next to it that looks like its from a PS3 era and some are even too much detailed to even be in any game let alone in an outdated mess like the Rage engine is, or wahtever the F they call it nowadays. It's like playing a sandbox messed up map in Garry's Mod using halfbaked content built by five year olds and not an actual coherent game.
The rain effect is genuinely fucking cursed. It's painfully obvious that it's just an overlay, and as you said so well,you literally can't see shit when it rains
Thanks, that is much better than the other reviews I’ve seen. Also, watching the reviews made me go through the hoops and loops of installing the OG San Andreas 1.0 and deciding to do it with the community fixes. And to never uninstall the Steam Vice City.
Funny thing is that It would actually be cheaper too, all the work is already done, they are probably fans so they will be happy to work with you and you just need to give them the same money you did to the idiots who had to buy some U4 licenses, "make" the models and assets for said Engine
Oh my god. Your analogy to Half Life: Source PERFECTLY sums up what’s going on here! This is a modern HL:S, an instance of “yeah we can port everything directly and polish it, but should we?”
This isn't even a case of porting to a new, better engine. Unless handled properly, the Unreal engine only serves to provide the bare minimum in regards to functionality. Clearly, rockstar saw this project on paper, and thought to themselves that this was a great idea. Clearly, it's proven itself to not be.
RedMatter yeah facts, they literally just like ran the old games source code thru a script so it could compile as an Unreal game. Bam instant unreal engine tier graphics, no more work required (and obvious no more work done) Games a lazy broken mess.
When you say that San Andreas "try to do too many things at once" In my opinion that’s what made the game fun to me because of the variety, The first GTA game I played was also three then Vice City and I would get bored after a couple hours
@@EmpanadaDeCaca the gameplay is near unchanged, all though its lazy af , broken , glitchy and shit . That won't make the game any better then it is now for the people who actually want to play and enjoy it . Proper criticism is needed then complaining about the game not being like mafia 1 remake or the graphics not being equal to rdr2
Let me advocate for the poor modders who got sued by Take Two and Rockstat Games. Their mods would've had *less* bugs than this mess. And they release them for free, most of the times...
Well that was more about the modders getting sued for unlocking porn scenes already present in the game. Just making them accessible to the player. That caused the games to have their ratings move to AO from M which pissed off Rockstar and lots of suing happened. The end result is Rockstar paid out $20 million, removed the "spilt coffee" and refuse to ever mention it's previous existence pretending that it never happened at all.
I keep loving the segments where you turn the game volume back up to some sarcastic character dialogue in contrary to what you're saying, laughed throughout the entire video
@@Sus3214 they ported the models, fucked them up in some cases, removed stuff and ctrl+c/v the code, then paid some things in the store and shipped it. I think there wasnt even a single QA tester and if yes, then god they did an awful job
@@RaskaTheFurry I saw someone on LinkedIn sharing a screenshot of their name in the QA section of the credits, so they definitely had a few at least. but QA can't fix anything, they will just list issues for Devs to work on .
little care for the franchise? I mean why would they? these games are +15 years old, they have nothing to prove to anyone other than making people buy the game TWICE after almost 2 decade. think about it, what harm are they going to experience? a bunch of crybabies complaining that the remaster isn't good? they're old games, what do you expect. they already postponed gta 6, why would they create more work for themselves and invest time and resources on remaking three old games??? you do realize they didn't need to do this LMAO because at the end of the day everyone will still buy GTA 6, regardless of how the trilogy was received, which is what they care most about. it's business stop crying lol
@@Doober117 Because if you truly care about your product you’re gonna make sure it’s playable or fills all the boxes that you need to make it successful. This is a very half assed remaster of three old games, I think those that came in with high expectations shouldn’t have because at the end of the day these are older games, but Rockstar could have definitely put in more effort and polished them up way better than they did. So basically you’re saying they didn’t have to dedicate a lot of resources on this project because they have GTA 6 coming on the way, you do realize that it’s been almost a decade since they released a Grand Theft Auto game? They couldn’t have done a better job than this? They might as well have not even dropped this if I’m going off of your point. Basically dollars speak over quality that’s what you’re saying, and that’s a bad business model because you gotta remember that these were the games that put Rockstar on the map. I don’t like this new age ‘hopefully they fix x,y, and z in a patch’ why is shit broken to begin with?
@@michaelj450 you’re 100% correct they’re taking almost 10 years to come out with the next gta installment so why would they burden themselves with extra work??? Again you realize that they cashed out on this trilogy cause dopes like you actually bought the game, so you honestly think they’re sweating cause you nerds are complaining about it??? Nah man cause like I said in my previous comment, you’ll still buy gta6 when it comes out and that’s what they’re aiming for. And it’s most definitely not a bad business model if they sold you basically the same game and cashed out. Business 101 my guy. Stop crying about it and move on. You’ll be paying them for gta 6 in no time LMAO
@@Doober117 I ain’t buy the definitive trilogy, jokes aint on me at all. Played San Andreas through Xbox Game Pass, like how you assumed I did though. Jokes on Rockstar themselves for dishing out a half assed product. Business 101, if a product isn’t good, your consumers probably ain’t gonna come back and wanna purchase from you again. Sometimes franchises or companies get too popular for their own good, might be the case here. Fuck you mean burden themselves with extra work they put the extra work on themselves so they better make sure they can handle that pressure. They made the choice to drop this so why not go all in? How you gonna drop a product and be like well we have other projects we are working on so that’s why this came out like shit, that’s HORRIBLE business. Feel bad for anyone who would have to work with or under you.
Worst of all is all the the behind the scenes drama that came with this "definitive" collection. News about how Rockstar and Take Two publisher were demanding certain modders from taking their mods offline to the original games being no longer sold on official markets. So not only are they releasing a bad product, they're burning bridges with a community that made their games even more awesome.
It's like Ubisoft and their games: They'll release : Standard Edition Deluxe Edition Ultimate Edition But include stuff ONLY AVAILABLE in the Deluxe Edition...even though using the word "Ultimate" implies it contains the "Ultimate Compilation of Content". Then again, Ubisoft is famous for releasing an Ultimate Edition, then a year later Re-release another Ultimate Edition for full price (and have a sale on the old ULT ED a week before they release the new ULT ED. Like with what they did with Ghost Recon Breakpoint).
@@NeedSomeVisine GTA 5 expanded and enhanced, basically "remastering the graphics" but from the looks of it and from what little effort that has been put into the GTA 3d trilogy remaster, it's gonna be shit
I think you really hit the nail on the head. "The girl has got makeup, she looks good somewhat from outside but has lost her soul completely." Also they ain't never remastering Manhunt, you can bet with me on that.
Same with Midnight Club (for the better or for the worse) As much as I'd like to see them make a new Midnight Club game,I'm terrified of how it's gonna end. And with that "Remaster" of these GTA titles,I'm terrified of how it would be *IF* they consider remastering the older Midnight Club titles.
You hit the nail on the head when you said it was like those "________ in ultra modern graphics 4k HD 60fps" videos. All sense of art style was sacrificed at the altar of lens flares and overly reflective surfaces.
@@yenkocamaro6965 IMO the Xbox versions were a bit gimmicky The GTA3 Xbox versions had those high res hands that were... interesting But the Xbox versions were definitely better than the anniversary editions or the "definitive" editions
I am really glad that you mentioned that although the environments look good. They actually don't and there is a differnce between art style and graphical quality. And its because each game had a different vibe and they simply applied the same shiny polished textureless geometrically correct visuals on all the buildings which in turn makes each game look very samey and generic. I think you are the only person to really pick on this in detail and the problem is if there were no bugs nobody would have mentioned this and would have just accepted it.
That's why some of the games no matter what new ones came out, you wanted to go back to because nothing was like them. For example GTA 3, I went back and played it often even after GTA Vice City, SA, 4, etc. came out and it's because the games atmosphere was not replicated in any of the other games. And it was because the music, the peds, the buildings, landscape, weapons/weapon sounds, just overall gameplay, etc.
@@GyroLamb I definitely agree. I mean if you play gta 3 now for example yes it is very dated however the game feels so dark and atmospheric with the newspapers and dead leaves moving along the floor the city fog and the fog in the sea. Also the audio changes depending on whether you are on a dock or beach. As you hear and see more birds and less cars. The opening prison break scene with the rain feels very mgs 2 like. Also Claude gives the middle finger when he stands in front of cars. So yeah like you said man all of the little atmospheric things really suck you into the world and it is not all about just making everything shiny.
They could’ve taken their time into making this trilogy and given it a proper graphical enhancement here and there but nope Rockstar is just went to the lazy route and didn’t bother spending enough time and effort into making this an amazing looking definitive version we’ve promised to get. The only good definitive edition I can think of is the Halo Master Chief collection and also Mafia the definitive edition.
"So in essence, if you wanna play these three from this point on, on a PC, your only option is gonna be..." Me: "pirating" GmanLives: "this definitive edition" Me: "oh... I mean... yeah... this version and definitely not anything illegal... haha"
That Batman quote about “Living long enough to see yourself become the villain” seems so apt for Rockstar right now! From 2001 to 2018 they were the greatest developers to ever make video games, seeing rockstar’s logo on a game was like a guaranteed seal of top quality content. It’s a real shame to see what they’ve become!
@@randomhiphop5055 true but, no denying RDR2 was an incredible technical achievement, that’s why I went as far as 2018 but, yes, definitely start ruining GTA V before 2018
15:35 But the thing about Vice City looking clean is that it's set in the 80s. That dirty, gritty look interspersed with bright colors is the OG retro 80s vibe, not the VHS scanning effect that many people use today to represent the 80s visual. Now it just looks like Miami in 2021... in Fortnite.
Yeah, pretty much the whole atmosphere of Vice City was taken from Miami Vice and Scarface, both of which had the "dirty, gritty look interspersed with bright colors" you mention.
The rain looks so bad. The rain on Ocarina of Time on N64 looks lightyears ahead of the rain on this. The rain effect on this GTA Definitive Trilogy is literally a cylinder centred on and locked to the player character. It looks OK whilst stood still and not looking at bodies of water. The original effect on PS2, whilst very lo-fi by today's standards, was at least a global weather effect and not just some effect applied to the character model and driving physics made more slippy.
I find it funny (in a bad way) how Rockstar name it a "trilogy" as if GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas are games with interconnected storyline and not a seperate games with their own environment, atmosphere, and gameplay
@@olivercharles2930 did you miss Rosenberg and Salvatore in SA? Or the fact that CJ worked for Joey Leone? What about LCS and VCS? Claude in SA was literally before him and Catalina went to Liberty City. Everyone knows the 3D universe is a thing. Why is this even being talked about?
You know, at first i wanted to say that this looks like a graphical mod you'd find on the Nexus or Moddb but that would be an insult to actual GTA graphical mods that are there and completely free
10:09. OH MY GOD. I thought i was alone with this ! as a 3D artist i hate how generic unreal engine games look. nobody is going byond doing much with the default presets and almost every unreal game has the exact same lighting and atmosphere even if the assets have their own art style. finally someone other them me said it !
Soulless is a good description. I've been trying to think of ways to describe how I feel the remasters look. The textures are just way too "polished" and "clean". They make the game look very simplistic, bland and a bit creepy. I feel so bad for anyone playing these games for the first time with the Definitive Edition. Truly a downgrade.
First thing I did was download 1.Rain Fix 2.Draw Distance Fix 3.Sound fix for each gane corresponding to their og counterpart 4.Font pack 5. Road Texture for 3 and VC 6. Xbox Pack for 3 texture 7. High res Texture for SA 8. Color fix for Radio icons and Map 🗺️ legends to match the art 🎨 style of the games 9. The Environment effective fix for 3 like Greenish 🍏 and gritty , colorful Poppy 🩷 for VC, weather for SA and the iconic Orange 🍊 haze 10. COMPLETELY FORGOT the Appropriate Water 🌊💦 Texture for each Fukin game
"The whole thing might look technically better, but it's come at the expense of the atmosphere, the ambience and the tone." I've been saying the same thing about Halo CE:Anniversary for the past 10 years, I absolutely despise these remasters that completely destroy the original feel of the game. It sucks for old veterans, sure, but it's especially bad for new players. There's no soul put into them so they just end up feeling lifeless, which is *not* a good impression for newbies. Sorry this remaster had to suffer a similar fate. I've never played a GTA game before, but I know that if I do, it won't be the remaster. I can deal with dated controls and low res textures, just as long as the tone and atmosphere of the game is good enough.
I agree with what you by removing the original feel, but the one redeeming thing that Halo did was give you the option to switch back between visuals, more games that are going to make remasters need to go by that. Most people in my opinion (I'm one of them) would prefer devs to resell their games with just quality of life updates and simple resolution and framerate upgrades. As lazy as it sounds I'll pay for simple upgrades than having to spend time searching tutorials and working on in-game config files to make it more the way I want it. I'm requesting my refund because after watching gameplay, seeing the bugs, and because I can't even install it or play it right now lol. But what got me to buy the game wasn't for the graphical fidelity it was for the quality of life updates, free aim, better controls ect.
'The Library' most notably shows this imo. The original is a gloomy level where you get lost in endless dark rooms filled with horrors. In the anniversary edition it's a large building filled with LED strips and bright arrows pointing you towards the end. Yes, the textures are detailed, but it has completely lost its intended feel: from a dreary horror game to a repetitive zombie shooter. What they absolutely did right was having a toggle so you could go back to old graphics whenever you like, which is most of the time in Halo 1 and sometimes in Halo 2. So now you can play the original game on your new xbox without bullshit (aside from some bugs but let's not go down that rabbit hole), which is the minimum this GTA port should have achieved.
The elevator sequence on the Arbiter and the dark foggy room on Sacred Icon in halo 2 were totally ruined in the remaster. The elevator sequence had such creepy banging metal noises and sound effects and they just removed them. Those levels are not tense or scary whatsoever anymore it sucks
This "definitive edition" reminds me of the XIII remake. It may not be nearly as bad as that, but it's similar in how much it's completely missed the point and lacked all those special details that made it what it was.
Actually, I think in a way, this """Definitive Edition""" is worse since you can't even buy the originals anymore. AND you have to buy it from Rockstar's gay ass launcher. Just that alone to me is completely unacceptable. Oh, and don't forget all the fucking mod takedowns. Seriously, someone over at Rockstar/Take Two is being such a little bitch.
There is just no visual consistency with this remaster. The old versions objectively had worse technology but still look better because the models, graphics, textures and lighting all complimented each other. With this remaster, we have realistic, modern lighting mixed in with cartoony models that look like they came out of a PS2 game (because they did).
They probably had worse technology back in the day but it sure felt like it was used to its fullest. This feels like the team was spread way too thin to work on three separate games.
Sadly, that's what crap companies think a remaster is, just slapping the latest light engine and upping the textures from 512p to 720p. That's why I hate the remastered Mass Effect Trilogy. Yeah, they fixed some stuff but the original lighting the game had was to create atmosphere, now that the new engine uses regular lighting to make it looks more like real light, they messed up their style horribly.
@@TrialRagnarok66 At least in the case of the remastered Mass Effect trilogy you can still buy the original three games on digital storefronts for PC if you wanted to, and EA wasn't depraved enough to illegalize mods for them either.
Ironically, Rockstar themselves summarized the "definitive" edition best: "I poke my head out of the gutter for one freaking second and fate shovels SHIT, in my face."
@@TESGAMEchannel >Rosenberg walking to his office unskippable cutscene* >Car door opening and closing *Billy Jean is not my lover (Michael Jackson noises)*
@@ZlatkoTheGod Players proceed to take a ride down the streets of Vice, all the while jamming out to the radio. Before long, the song gets cut off. The radio host warns of a storm shortly going to swoop down on the city and the bridges being closed on that account. By the time the song resumes, the players are pulling up to the Ocean View hotel.
As someone who never played the original vice city, tommy looks objectively the best. He looks generic but easy on the eye and quite attractive. But I’ll have to agree he looks nothing like the original idea the team had for him.
It’s all bugs, Sonny. None of the families would touch that shit
Time's are changing. The gamers can't keep their backs turned while they're waiting for the next game.
People will remember soon enough, that you can mod the originals to look better than this, it's *bad for business.*
So we send GSG to do the dirty work for us and then cut us a nice quiet slice, OK? Who's our contact down there?
Grove Street. Home. Or at least it was before Rockstar fucked everything up.
@@vagstam9127 IGN, schmuck of a site. How are they gonna help?
The fact that a single NPC can have 3 different artstyle approaches on their body is fucking with my head. They'll have a cartoonish face, a semi-detailed but still stylised jacket with minor details, and a photoreal undershirt with visible stitching, all on top of a low poly model with a misaligned skeleton. And then, to top it off, some of those textures will have the deep shadows (eg; around the pockets) "painted" on, but without any sort of bump mapping so that the simulated world lighting will just hit everything with a flat sheen, making it look like one of those funny shirts with a tuxedo printed onto it. And THEN, sometimes things WILL have bump mapping, BUT the specular and reflectiveness settings are the same across what should be leather and what should be cotton.
It's unbelievable that a company who made £1 billion in under 3 days could allow this to go on sale.
Holy shit, that's bad. I just thought they looked like gumby fucking clay cartoons with down syndrome, but that's so much worse.
Rockstar isn’t the same awesome third party company that it used to be back in the early 2000s. It’s just sad that they’re no longer making any original IP games that they use to make. Now looking and playing the definitive version of Sam Andreas just shows that Rockstar didn’t put any effort in these classic games. Seriously it makes the ps2 and Xbox version of those games look like a masterpiece in comparison.
@KTV 4U indeed it does. It looks so fake and cheaply made rain effects.
@KTV 4U ya so hard to play the game
Amen.
This looks like a pretty okay remake made in Unity by like two dudes.
Edit: holy christ i get it, Unity is a good engine
Easy easy, it was three dudes.
Hey, don't be so hard on them... Those Unity developers put some hard work on their projects you shouldn't be insulting them.
It's made in Unreal 4..
@@pi11sburydoeboy
Thanks for telling us..
One of them blind the other deaf.
“Licensing is a thing”
So is the 6 billion dollars Rockstar made off of GTA V
Fair point.
Very true.. there is no way they couldnt buy the licenses for all these old songs cmon
They just wanted to save money
GTA without Billy Jean and cheat codes? Lol, it's even worse than I thought.
@@julyxart_ or or the people who made the song could say we don't want you to have these songs anymore.
@@Kronos0999 cheats codes are there
I despise the whole “music costs money” argument as if GTA online hasn’t made Take Two billions.
@Spawn Yes, but we're talking about the most successful entertainment franchise in history. They can afford it. The only reason any track shouldn't be in here is if the original artists don't want their songs in anymore. Take 2 are just cheapskates all round.
Yeah why would they spend that money on us
They aint gonna give the cow the milk they farmed
I get what youre saying but take two may as well have infinite money, the impact of shelling out a billion dollars for a soundtrack probably doesnt even register, but they dont care. They just wanted to cash in on this trend of remakes and re-releases in the laziest and lowest effort way possible
@@MrSnaztastic i can understand a few things like Michael Jackson not making it, but so many of these cut songs should be more than affordable for this big of a company
They worried bout their shareholders, not the fans.
The definitive edition is exactly why people don't like the look of those off-hand projects of "Old game X in Unreal" because it has all these pseudo-realistic effects over cartoony aesthetics and they just clash in a surreal way and destroys what made it's appearance iconic.
Well said!
It honestly does look like one of those unity asset flip games. Cheap plastic against decent lighting or over done lighting and bad use of particle effects.
Cyberpunk 1992 HD edition
HIRE THIS MAN
Me before playing games i change controls to all gta 4 controls to make it easier
I like how this "remaster" still has a heavily compressed audio from the base game.
Yup, seems like they didnt even bother improving or updating the sfx especially the gun sounds from SA. I remember on the PS2 the guns sound god awful and from these clips seems like nothings changed of course
true the original actually sounds better i noticed while gathering some gameplay for a video
That's what made me not buy it originally. Those sounds would be rough even in the year the originals released.
To be fair I keep thinking people would bitch if they were to change the sounds
@@machina_spirit Yeah, even back in 2004 those gun sounds were awful. The pistol and SMGs especially. Insane that they didn't bother to change them.
This studio ( not rockstar ) of literal 10 people were expected to remaster three games in 6 months. Seriously that’s a crime. No one can do that. Rockstar parent company really did it for the cash grab. It was a easy cash grab. Exploiting nostalgia. The og devs are quitting because of this. They have no power. They can watch but with no say.
yeah, honestly they should've actually gotten R* Dundee to lead this remaster like they were boasting about in a few articles instead of pushing everything onto this small-time studio.
I still don't know why they didn't do something like release one remastered game every 12-18 months rather than rushing to cobble together three massive failures, they'd of made way more money if these were actually good remasters...
Jesus Christ cheer up ya miserable bastards 😂 they did a good job imo, better than you could've done I don't see you lot trying to remaster these games, I'm just happy to play these games again with enhanced graphics sure it wasn't perfect but what game is? There's always something people will complain about 😂
Agree. Grove Street Games did an awful job but it was on Rockstar as a publisher to hit the brakes and not release that pile of shit we have now.
Now that Grove Street Games is pulled from the remaster, we can't expect any more updates for these games.
"Remake, remaster, or whatever the hell I'm supposed to call it."
Regurgitation. That's a good name for it.
*Dingus Doofus You Are A Good Man Sir.*
@@अंबादासजाधव-स7ङ Thank you for the kind words, dear sir!
Isn't it beautiful how hate for shoddy craftsmanship has the power to unite people across the globe?
Refuse
Remaster=same game for other platforms
Ramake=same game but better made
GTA san Andreas ramaster=💩
"Demaster" is a thing now.
Rockstar be pulling off a Blizzard with removing the original games over the "Remastered" edition of the games
You could call it "a Blizzard" as much as you could call it "a From Software", or "a Bethesda", or "a Square Enix", to be fair.
When the Dark Souls 1 Remaster came out, the PtD Edition was removed from stores. Same deal with the Skyrim Special Edition which replaced the Skyrim Legendary Edition, and Dragon Quest XI S which replaced the original port.
@@lunos9739 at least those remasters were good, this issue with rockstar is Blizzards WARCRAFT 3:REFORGED all over again
@@bannedinc. I wouldn’t call dark souls 1 remaster a good one
@@lunos9739 At least with Skyrim, you can still play Special Edition without the Anniversary content, though your scripts on certain mods on PC will break if you let Steam do the Anniversary update.
if they make a good remaster edition .
fans will be happy .
but when original is better than remaster edition ~
"If you're playing on pc your only option now is play definitive edition"
Not while I sail under the black flag
Oh yeah Captain Jack Sparrow time
Long live to those under black flag
I agree. Fortunately I have the originals on my steam library and I still can download and play them.
@@IsM1ku
G2A is bad, I hear they sell stolen keys, I didn't trust people who said it and thought they were just unlucky, I bought Rage and Titan quest: Inmortal throne and both games were taken out of my library because their keys were bought with stolen credit cards probadly, in G2A I don't trust, since then I tell everyone the same thing.
@@AntonioKH2 You're right, g2a is a shit show. Stolen keys, people not getting their games cause the keys are already used etc
The foggyness of the og gta 3 was an absolute mood. That needs to come back
Just play the real one
@@gillespriod5509yea? You got a code for it? They took it off the market babe
@@GrapefruitMcgilicuddy Your best bet is either emulation or piracy and it's not hard to get either.
@@Avolition617 I have all of them still
@@GrapefruitMcgilicuddy it means... It's now abandonware so you can legaly resort to piracy!!!
the moment I saw that they used the wrong logo for a radio station in the radio wheel I knew this was going to be bad. It's such a simple thing to fix and I noticed it 30 seconds into GTA3 yet they couldn't be bothered. Really shows the amount of care that went into this. I'm glad I still own copies of the originals on multiple platforms.
Oh that’s how?
This whole game looks like a unity asset flip.
except somehow in unreal
those grass textures look like default ones you'll get tossed in when getting the SDK ffs
@@pnutz_2 I mean, even at that, I would have expected it to look better than this! It's like they couldn't decide between high fidelity graphics and the style of the original, so it just comes out looking like a mess.
Stop being so nice
I saw the gameplay footage before I knew it was an official release, I genuinely thought it was one of those cringy mods where someone just makes everything wet and reflective
it does
"They keep the OG games down, helps the people forget"
"Peoplearegonnaremembersoonenough, when they see the definitive edition"
It will be bad for business
In my head, GTA never looked "Realistic" untill 4.
I always viewed it like an MTV cartoon in the style of something like Aeon Flux and thought China Town Wars really capitalized on that aesthetic.
It seems the "Definitive" edition tried to make these toony chars look realistic like the newer games and it failed hard.
Clearly the AI was turned to "realism" and not "stylized" lmfao.
In my opinion the originals were going for realistic look and remasters cartoonish.
Ay finally someone else gives ups to Chinatown Wars, that game went way harder than it had any right to lol
@@low-polyhexagonalrat It's no joke my third fav game in the series and Huang Lee is my favorite protag, mainly due to him being an artist.
I just want to point out that the rain effect is literally the "basic" rain effect that you can make on Unreal Engine 4.
they hired a mobile dev and got mobile dev results.
Its not even a rain effect, it's the default content example for particles with collision that comes with the engine, they just scaled it up on every dimension and attached it to the the root of the player camera so it follows you around. It's pathetic because it looks like it rotates with the camera so they were too lazy to even separate the rotation when they attached it to the camera.
Not even joking, this is the same half assed attempt at rain I made when I had like 2 weeks of experience with the engine. Like this is alarmingly amateurish for a company with this kind of money,
@@Holesale00 this
@@Litevaar this is actually hilarious.
@@Litevaar YES! I mean, I worked with Unity for a few weeks as well! It's the same shit I've done. It was around 2014 so I really don't remember much about it. But yes. That's exactly what you said.
The reason they removed it from the Rockstar launcher is actually because some modders figured out the games are literally just the Renderware originals running on top of Unreal, plus these *adjustments*. The same code, same leftovers, same archives, even the disabled Hot Coffee code, it's all there. You have the very same old bugs and glitches, not a single one corrected, with new ones added by this porting process. Most of the actual porting was clearly done with automatic tools, like they literally just applied some AI upscale filter on most textures, you can find artifacts and everything. Except it was all left unprotected so Grove Street Games accidentally handed them the source code for all three games. It's a disaster.
i believe the reason they took it down is the leaked mission script and developer tools on the switch version
Looking at glitch compilations, even day 1 (2000 era) glitches still remain
As far as i remenber it isnt the first time that happens, i remenber reading about some modders that found clearly usable tags in the Mobile ports
I love the point you made about aesthetics vs. tech spec graphics.
Older games can still look appealing even now due to their art direction & aesthetics even if they're dated tech wise.
The Zelda Windwaker, Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword are probably some good examples of preserving aesthetics in a remaster imo
Which is hilarious because the OG games weren't very pretty.
In the past: you make do with that you have, even if it werent top notch graphics, you made it work just good.
Today: You are just trying to slap the most realistic textures, you dont care about if it fits or not, if it looks realistic. Even if you could have made a better game if it was more stylized...
@@drifter402 Well sorta. The originals weren't ever the best looking games, even at the time.
But the games did still carry a bit of atmosphere with their coloring and effects, especially on the PS2. SA on PS2 has a certain bit of soul that's missing in the other versions with its color usage and heat haze.
@@VexAcer well of course. It's not a complaint they were open world games running on PS2.
Funniest part is that Grove Street Games is the same company that made the XBox 360 port of San Andreas, which was a technical mess and used a version of the IOS port.
This still used it too, still having assets in the files for Mobile buttons.
I still have the Original Physical copies with ALL the music.
Physical forever.
hell yeah!
Nice
Yeah man, that version rocks
old games yes, new games dont even come complete and functional on disc anymore.
From now on, just pirate it.
When you showed the menu for all the games using the same sound effects, i think a part of my soul died at that moment.
IKR? I mean, I heard about it in a couple of other videos, but actually seeing/hearing it....man, they butchered this series....
@@MrPrajitura atleast its fixed
@@andreasparnamets9150 that they had to release an update to fix something so simple as menu sound effects show how fuck up things are
They used AI to finish up most of the models. That’s why they look so soulless, because you were right. They literally just didn’t care.
I’m terrified to see what they’ll do to RDR1 now.
Yep they were just grabbing the bag from rockstar. Modders will forever have more soul than the actual developers
I’m actually playing RDR1 on XBSX, and I think it really doesn’t need a remaster at all specially remasters like this that deletes contents and mess up most things
@@Moolassy finally someone who isn’t a man-child towards Fallout Frontier
People who bought the trilogy: I DEMAND REVENGE!!!!!!!
People who still believe that “violence in video games makes people violent”: join us, and you will have your revenge
People who bought the trilogy: deal
*The entire video game industry collapses because some of the gaming community couldn’t control their anger*
A RDR1 remaster should only be graphics update from the RDR1 original graphics to the RDR2 since both games uses a version of the same RAGE engine.
Anything else is just asking for trouble
Honestly, Vice City was my childhood. Especially on PS2 it was such a precious part of my childhood (yes I was about 12 lol). Seeing this remaster is like a knife through my heart. Honestly, I think this remaster might be the thing that finally turns me off gaming. If this is what we have been reduced to, whats the point?
A comment someone else makes is so true: GTA Online has made them billions, but they can't afford the licences for the old radio stations?
You should try the og xbox versions if you ever get a chance. They had this awesome feature where you can have your own radio station with your own music. It was awesome at the time. So fn annoying that xbox users are stuck with these garbage versions or that garbage mobile port of San andres that they replaced the og xbox version with.
like any other industry: greed will be the death of it.
these games came out just before corporations realized just how profitable video games are, since that realization it has been a crap shoot as to if you're going to get a worthwhile game or not.
I find this remaster trend gaming's version of Hollywood remaking old classics into huge disappointments, it also signals that a lot of the film and development studios are creatively bankrupted due to the current over-supply in both forms of media.
tbf vice city is the best one out of the three. i had nothing to complain about 🤷🏼♀️ doesn't feel much different to the original except for smoother gameplay. but i had not much to complain about the others as well, just a few songs i was missing but that doesn't really take away from the gameplay fun for me. sorry but people need to understand that it will never be as charming as the first time you play through a game, especially if it's such a long time ago. ppl just set their expectations to high imo..
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 yeah sure, in 2025 everyone will buy gtaVI like good puppy and they will make billions.
@JackyBandicoot subjective. Majority of people love san andreas as the best. Even sold way more than vice. Both great regardless but even the memes online all centred around CJ. Prob the most popular and well known rockstar main character. And not surprised.
Rockstar: There, now that we de-listed the originals they will only play the definitive edition
**Pirates of the caribean ost intensifies**
This is what goes through my head:
ruclips.net/video/i8ju_10NkGY/видео.html
Hats off to a Pirates of the Caribbean OST fan. We repping.
I‘m just smiling
Aren't pirates the only ones able to play right now? Considering they pulled the official version from the launcher...
@@jvg7498 Yes I am currently playing the disastrous Definitive edition through pirating.
The biggest thing for me was how they sent their lawyers after people who were modding the original games that are ~20 years old by this point. Reforged screwed up a whole bunch of things, but not even Blizzard stooped that low.
Rockstar seems to have been doing anything they can to kill their fanbase
I mean blizzard basically turned all of the mods into their property which is equally bad.
@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S good thing there are still indie titles that are good.
@@heat1235 Also a non indie game - Tetris Effect was amazing. Or just look at the BOTW devs making such a beautiful game
@@Marcelelias11 . They did a wonderful job cause they lost a 20 year fan with me. I refunded this garbage and went back to the OG Xbox versions and the Vita versions. I love that Xbox backwards compatibility
"How are we gonna make the rain look?"
"Well... do you remember that static noise on analog TVs when you put in a blank VHS tape?"
The fact that someone gave it an OK is mind-boggling.
It doesn't just look like dogshit, it hinders gameplay because you can't see shit.
Yeah, it's kinda unbelievable someone saw this and said _"Yes. Looks good. I approve of this."_ The rain drops (or rather lines) look like they are almost solid white. Like it went from 95% see-through to 5% see-through. It's just way too visible, making it irritating as hell and a pain to navigate through.
It's just a simple animated .gif with transparent backgroung rofl
@@avae5343 you might have, but you must have stopped half way through or used too much automation, and no quality controll/testing and bug fixing. Is it strange that people complain about such a broken product?
@@avae5343 yeah, I totally understand and agree. The critique should absolutely be aimed at them! Sry you have to take so much crap!
We started this remaster saying, "I can't wait."
Then ended saying, "Fuck this game."
@ImYourPapi perfect XD
Not me!!!! I flipped rockstar off and never played It knowing It was going to be a disaster. Not saying I’m better than anyone I’m just one of the people that got tired of being handed garbage from lazy ass devs.
It should be, fuck the devs
@imyourpapi1445 good trailer? what about that misty part?
That "cars exploding much sooner" thing sounds like a Frames Per Second issue. The old games would have calculated time in frames, so when say 200 frames pass from the moment a vehicle ignites it explodes. at 20 fps this would take 10 seconds. At 60? A bit over three seconds. No idea what the actual numbers are, but I hope that helps!
they could have reconfigured the frames, its not even a hard thing to do, but im sure they didnt even touch the code
It's a good theory
Good point
@@uberbosst there are mods that have fixed that, actually
Didn't something happen with their bad PC updates
There's this trend now of mistaking low polycounts and low texture resolutions for being cartoony. GTA had a realistic sense to it, and the character models were more like caricatures than cartoons.
A caricature is a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.
A cartoon is a caricature.
You just contradicted yourself
@@piotrgrzelak2613 A cartoon is a type of illustration that is typically drawn, sometimes animated, in an unrealistic or semi-realistic style. The specific meaning has evolved over time, but the modern usage usually refers to either: an image or series of images intended for satire, caricature, or humor
@@piotrgrzelak2613 A caricature is a rendered image showing the features of its subject in a simplified or exaggerated way through sketching, pencil strokes, or through other artistic drawings (compare to: cartoon). Caricatures can be insulting or complimentary and can serve a political purpose or be drawn solely for entertainment. Caricatures of politicians are commonly used in editorial cartoons, while caricatures of movie stars are often found in entertainment magazines.
The artstyle looks like a studio that's made mobile games, even botched up making a mobile game.
Funnily enough, the studio responsible for the DE Trilogy previously made the mobile port of San Andreas.
Exactly! The graphics look like mobile graphics. Puts me off completely. Feel like I’m playing on an Android or Ipad
Well....that's exactly what happened this is a mobile port
@@paperluigi6132 That version is better than the definitive one. And that says a lot.
14:28 - dear GmanLives, thank you very much for sublime everything that I wanted to say about GTA3's Liberty City and it's atmosphere. For me it always was a criminal capital, that lives last days before 911, it capitalises everything about crime right before it, and its foggy cold atmosphere was making game unique, and, as you said, make you want to take 2 showers.
Yet feels like nobody loves it today, everyone is blinded of 80s vhs nostalgia and seeing in Vice city something, that it have not
Agreed. To me, GTA 3 was always a 90's game, and it had that atmosphere of cynicism and edginess before corporations started capitalizing on it in the actual 00's. It was also very noir. Sure, it was set in 2001, but it didn't represent the 2000's. GTA SA, by comparison, for a game set in 1992, was very 2000's. Kinda sad, really.
And let's not forget that GTA 3 was supposedly set in autumn, so the foggy, cold feeling makes sense too.
And yes, the 80's nostalgia is nauseating these days.
"Ey Rockstar, what made you flip out like that man? Was it GTA V or what?"
*"I got caught up in the Money, the Power..."*
-Rockstar Games
Everyone gonna remember my name! Rocksta..!
*dies*
@@nlrenzo9432 oh damn...... what a waste
@@sdfxd3859 Take-Two: "Rockstar Games, my man!"
@@UnknownPerson-2004 Take-Two is literally Tenpenny and Rockstar is Big Smoke.
Underrated comment
"Something newer, isn't necessarily better"
That will be stuck in my head until I die.
"Old does not mean 'dead'
new does not mean 'best'
yours does not mean 'mine'
kill does not mean 'die'"
As it should be.
GTA 3 a game from 2001 Yes 2001! Is still better than its "Improved" version from 2021 its a difference of 20 years! Rockstar shoukd know War Drum Studios AKA Grove Street Games did horrible on the 10th Anniversary and they messed up again for the Definitive Edition! Mafia 1 Definitive Edition did a whole remake instead of looking like a HD Mod for GTA
so will your comma splice
Adapt or be left behind
They got rid of Vice City's orignal selection screen?! That selection screen was cool: it looked like something from a 1980's music video. The background changed when a different menu was selected.
5:36 that reverb fart sound effect tho
The echo effect is what made that moment
The state they released these games in is EXACTLY what Rockstar thinks of their fanbase. If they really had any respect for their fans then there would've been some serious quality control instead of out sourcing the entire thing and calling it a day.
With how much GTA V and RDR2 made for Rockstar, they can't say they didn't have the means to hire a better team or even license the old songs. Modders usually fix a broken game within 24 hours or improve a game dramatically in a few weeks, so companies don't bother putting in the effort.
"It's not a bug, it's a feature" taken to the extreme.
Yooo cheng teoh is here
Also Rockstar stans excuse.
Ruined exactly 300 likes. Sorry not sorry
@@handsomedio5916 I wonder how large that death toll would be if they just slumped over dead right now…
This whole tactic of coming out with a “remastered edition” of an old game that’s either barely an upgrade from the original or even a downgrade from the original, selling it at full price and then delisting the original so you’re forced to pay for the new full price “remaster” is getting disappointingly common. It’s just nothing but pure greed from the developers designed to cash in on old IPs by putting in almost no effort.
GTA Definitive, Dark Souls prepare to die edition, Kingdoms of Amalur: Rereckoining... I’m getting sick of it.
Lazy Cash Grab: Definitive Remastered HD Re-Grabbed Edition
100%
I'm tired of it too.
You go to any youtube video of any old game and you will see people say stupid things like "wow this game deserves a remaster" or "the devs should remake this game" and other things.
It's like they're begging for the devs to feed them poison intentionally.
I'm sure the developers have no fault in this, this is clearly R* business side. I'd be pissed too if I was a developer of the OG games, and knew that your game is going to be replaced by an inferior version of it.
Yes it's disgusting. And the fact they're sueing modders for.their hard effort and love for the game.. for this lazy slop they couldn't be bothered with... It's absolutely disgusting,
The originals where they mirrored the floor to give the reflection effect was ground breaking
1.0 without removed songs and with silentpatch is still the best option. Now compare Mafia and Mafia: DE to eg GTA SA and GTA SA: DE.
Optional: add the SkyGfx graphics mod for that PS2 ambience.
@@beegdawg While War Drum Studio's made this disaster, Rockstar or Take Two's greedy asses who should've announced a delay to early 2022
You can even add ragdoll physics to GTA SA(which works really well) , as well as autosave.
Look at mafia 2 de and mafia 3 de. Stop nitpicking mafia de. It was a complete remake of one game. These are 3 full gta games you want remade which would take at the least 5 - 7 years especially if you want a finished product.
Plus Skygfx for PS2 atmosphere graphics
This just goes to show that more modern, technically impressive and/or detailed graphics doesn't necessarily mean better.
in fact it rarely does.
Because graphics are only addiction to story, gameplay and atmosphere. Not a single game became classic and widely loved by a public just because it's graphics. And also even modern ultra-detalized, ray-traced, super-puper graphics 10 years later will became obsolete crap comparing to that technical level of graphics that will be contemporary in future.
back in my day i called ppl who cared about grahics as grahics whores, cause story, game play etc matter most
How many times do we need to say gameplay over graphics? It's why people still play tic tac toe. If you want graphics you watch a movie.
I'm enjoying San andreas, probably cause it's free on gamepass and I didn't have to pay for it. The controls more than make up for the bugs. I can finally beat the low rider race without rage quitting.
You know what's worse?
The people who made the mobile GTA games, literally ported the mobile game to the consoles and pc, and have the audacity to charge it full price... it gets worse, the director doesn't care at all, neither does Take two
I'm not surprised, and I knew it was trash because they didn't show gameplay
monopoly
The game never looked good to begin with
Idk why but I had a feeling this wasn’t gonna live up to the hype and I didn’t even have that info having the Mobile game and charge it as a console game, that’s fucked up either way you look at it
I know right? Its scummy behavior.
Remember people, don't give Cockstar and TrashTwo more money, either pirate their games or find old copies.
If they gave this treatment to this three huge masterpieces makes you wonder what their smaller, less popular games will get.
Hopefully nothing. It's pretty apparent that this was a total quick-cash grab; re-release our most popular games with a few new "enhancements" and throw a modern price tag on it and call it a day. They've probably forgotten about Bully, Red Dead Revolver, the Midnight Club series, etc so they won't be touched and shouldn't be touched if this is the quality we can expect from R⭐️ from now on
Don't care what the other titles will get. I'm pre-passing on them shits.
They get canned like Bully 2
Ignored by fans
At this point I don't want new Midnight Club or Bully series. It'll be shitfest for sure from Cockstar
Or even GTA 6
They actually didn't even use new textures for most of the games, they instead AI upscaled alot of the old textures leading to tons of uneven texturing and misspelled signs.
I'm still can't get how a computer could misplace a high resolution hot dog over a simple pizza.
@@mado-wh4jv somebody mixed up a texture name and since these games had zero bug testing\QA nobody checked.
I’m tired of life 😒
this is the type of stuff that makes me feel like these people know the end is near.. Obvious cash grab! They know the economy is tanked.
@@Tay20 it’s just gta.
You aight?
Remember when Bluepoint remade Shadow of the Colossus? Improving every single aspect of the game while taking the utmost care to retain the character and greatness of the original PS2 game…this is the opposite of that ☺️
Bluepoint is on a streak when it comes to remakes. They're definitely a company to keep an eye on.
They also did the remasters for the Uncharted trilogy too, which were all really good.
They also making a great MGS 2 & 3 HD remaster too! Fuck, don't forget the Demon Souls Remake
Kept the gameplay same too...
@@MrStimpson38 I'm pretty sure that because bluepoint garnered such good faith with the companies it worked with that they're being made into a full on studio by Sony that will work on their own games now. I may be mis-remembering, but I'm sure that's the case.
Definitely with you on the rain. That DAMNED rain! I planned on playing the series in order but it didn't really matter too much story-wise so went with Vice City, which is also my personal favourite other than IV (Serbian Immigrant in New York?! YES!) But although there are many setbacks from the originals and having loved GTA since the first release and still own all the original copies, even that questionable "remaster" of SA for 360, PS3 and PC, was also terrible. The planes would randomly disappear when flying overhead which was one thing I loved about the original SA was all the cool NPC things going on... CJ's sisters head being a completely different colour than her body.
Bought the Definitive on my XBOX One and so far definitely noticed small things that piss me off right off the bat, especially cars blowing up has screwed up so many missions, and again THE RAIN! But all in all, as much as there are many negative things about it, being as old as they were as mentioned, at least there was an effort in general. Lazy? Yeah, but an effort nonetheless and it is nice to be able to play them on a more modern console and still have yet to be deterred from my childhood favourite series of games other than Sly Cooper.
Being said, thank you for all your effort in making this video and I am with ya! Just hope it hasn't killed your love for them too much. GTA V on the other hand ruined mine with missing the deadline to swap my character from PS3 to XB1 and they wouldn't help so I stopped playing since I lost a year of progress of consistent playing and went with RDR2 and loved it more. Lol
Cheers to many more good vids, man! Cheers!
When the Definitive Edition was first announced, when I heard Grove Street Games, formerly War Drum Studios, was going to develop this version, I was both hopeful and worried about what was going to happen.
I expected it to be a disaster considering the San Andreas mobile ports, but I also hoped it would be done justice, a chance for Grove Street to redeem themselves over the SA ports.
And turns out, as I feared, they managed to screw up. At this point I think we should expect Grove Street not to touch anything that's GTA anymore.
Not even a rebrand could save that company.
Well to be fair, there were only 20 people in charge of the remasters. Rockstar didn't give a sh*t and only gave them a small budget.
Honestly Rockstar deserves all the hate they're getting with the remasters and GTA V for the ps5. They've become the same lazy, corporate f*cks they used to criticize in their older games.
@@MsMRkv You either die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Maybe it could have been better if Rockstar Dundee actually developed it per the rumours.
@@MsMRkv I believe that Take Two Interactive are the ones who are in charge for this shit show.
It's amazing how many times Rockstar has re-release this series and it's literally worse every time
Yeah, I can understand stuff like not being able to relicense certain songs, but I'd expect a "definitive edition" to find some other songs to replace them with, as opposed to just a void where content used to be.
@@IsmailofeRegimebruh they’re billionaires they can get songs buddy lol wtf, bootlicker
these Games are so Iconic they really should have just rebuilt them completely. we could have played these games with the shooting controls from the newer games. Rockstar makes so much money every year this just comes off as extremely lazy and the fact that they Butchered the Vice City Soundtrack makes me sad too as I used to spend hours just driving around listening to it.
Or just.
Y'know
Released the definitive edition as a texture and model pack.
Thats why its called Remaster not Remake
Nah I think they are too arcady for something like the RAGE engine. I would have preferred straight up ports of the Xbox Versions with the modern gameplay enhancements of this current remaster.
Some of the voice actors are dead and the original quality audio just won't fit if it was completely rebuilt.
@@sejtanskifazoni5752 Then why the $60 pricetag? Bethesda and CDPR offers next gen upgrade for free to those who owns it, even Mafia DE is cheaper which is $40, Know your products, don't be a cow to a company, and company should treat their customers as a KING, not the other way around.
@@AhmadWahelsa no, he ain't shilling. Just informing. Remakes and remasters are different things. Remasters are taking a game and building on top of it. Remakes are rebuilding the same game from Scratch with newer hardware and innovations to the game.
This just shows how desperate they got when Mafia got it's "definitive edition".
That's exactly why the developers of Mafia chose to do it from scratch, rather than this sort of "remaster" they did with GTA. They knew that it would be impossible to recreate the original Mafia using the orignal assets, that it would not just be broken, but actually not viable commercially.
Shameful is the word I'd use to describe this thing they did here.
It would had been much more fair to the fans to just had the game fixed work perfect on modern Windows.
The irony is that 2K Games and Hangar 13, the people behind those remasters,are also under Take Two, the same parent company of Rockstar
Yeah but that Mafia 2 Definitive Edition sucked, I hope they eventually give it a proper release because it's my favorite.
Mafia Definitive Edition is the gaming equivalent of a Singer Porsche 911. This is the gaming equivalent of a v6 mustang with a fart cannon.
"Minimum Viable Product"
The goal in AAA is maximizing profit. Making a decent game is an afterthought, if that.
The problem is not maximizing profit. Is that we accept games that are NOT decent. Dont give them money, see how fast they actually try to make a good game.
@@johnx140 The even bigger problem is that most people don't care as much as we do and they don't want to care. To them, it really is as deep as "I want the thing, so I get the thing."
Reject modernity, return to indie.
@@johnx140 Humans are retarded… it will never happen.
Maximising profit and making good games used to be synonymous. Then the mobile games attacked.
I feel like rockstar just handed this project off to an advertisement they found on craigslist that said "We remaster any game for $50!!!"
They handed this project off to the studio who also made the disastrous GTA SA "remastered" ports several years ago.
@@kizoaoy7423 bruh
@@kizoaoy7423 instead of having one of the main studios work on it they farmed it out to some trash tier mobile game developer? and they got trash tier results, this was just a cash grab through and through.
Or just dump their sourcecode in a "We-Remaster-Your-Games" vending machine...$1 bills only accepted!
@@Holesale00 Hate to break it to you but RSG doesn't have key developers for a long time now. They source out independent cheap talent. The updates in Online are just flipped asssets that a programmer slaps together in one day. It is far evident when GTA5 was released how incosistent everything was. Lets mention one example, the models. You have one model that looks like it came out from a PS2 game, another next to it that looks like its from a PS3 era and some are even too much detailed to even be in any game let alone in an outdated mess like the Rage engine is, or wahtever the F they call it nowadays. It's like playing a sandbox messed up map in Garry's Mod using halfbaked content built by five year olds and not an actual coherent game.
I've really been enjoying this whole disaster. Also, look at you throwing in some upscaled ps1 footage.
Any excuse to show off 5X footage, bro!
im having a lot of fun too, especially for a product i havent bought and maybe wont buy
@@SolidRaiden2655 ok, no. I mean, this does look terrible, but HD Collection was THE disaster, it will never have a rival
@OneFortyFour I like this guy he has his head on straight.
Tell em avalanche lol
Vice City could've added back the dialogue with Haitian-Cuban gang war.
The rain effect is genuinely fucking cursed.
It's painfully obvious that it's just an overlay, and as you said so well,you literally can't see shit when it rains
yo tomato pfp
Jeez, that raining night gameplay is just impossible to discern.
i dont have epilepsy, but i damn near had a stroke from trying to see what was what in that fucking Bukake of a rainstorm!
@@zerrierslizer1 ain't gay enough to play that shit
“The only thing definitive about this edition, is that it definitively made me wanna get my money back” 😂😂😂
Thanks, that is much better than the other reviews I’ve seen. Also, watching the reviews made me go through the hoops and loops of installing the OG San Andreas 1.0 and deciding to do it with the community fixes. And to never uninstall the Steam Vice City.
Same as me, my previous San Andreas playthrough i'm used Enchanced SA mod that i being recommended on Steam
This looks like an emulator and a modder tried to "smooth" the polygons
The ones responsible for these definitive editions were really lazy.
Don't muddle the names of the Modders they can and HAVE made mods that look infinitely better than this
@@erfanthered9801 dont deny there is alot of shitty mods though....
@@fatesDeath there's a lot of third rate engineers in the world too, doesn't stop planes from being a cool thing.
@@slyseal2091 true, but there are shitty planes out there though...
Rockstar should have hired the mod community to make these remasters, not shut them down. This is embarrassing.
Funny thing is that It would actually be cheaper too, all the work is already done, they are probably fans so they will be happy to work with you and you just need to give them the same money you did to the idiots who had to buy some U4 licenses, "make" the models and assets for said Engine
It's weird I read that comment in Ryder's voice.
@@dkrampage2933 Exactly. Great points.
@@RegBeta Hehe I didn't mean to.
@RegBeta haha right?
Me looking at the Definitive Edition in my library: It's embarrassing to be seen wit you!
Oh my god. Your analogy to Half Life: Source PERFECTLY sums up what’s going on here! This is a modern HL:S, an instance of “yeah we can port everything directly and polish it, but should we?”
This isn't even a case of porting to a new, better engine. Unless handled properly, the Unreal engine only serves to provide the bare minimum in regards to functionality. Clearly, rockstar saw this project on paper, and thought to themselves that this was a great idea. Clearly, it's proven itself to not be.
And the biggest difference is that Valve allowed modders to make a better version while Rockstar sued the modders who could do better. Scummy Rockstar
RedMatter yeah facts, they literally just like ran the old games source code thru a script so it could compile as an Unreal game. Bam instant unreal engine tier graphics, no more work required (and obvious no more work done)
Games a lazy broken mess.
Exact 69th like
at least valve didnt remove the original half life
When you say that San Andreas "try to do too many things at once" In my opinion that’s what made the game fun to me because of the variety, The first GTA game I played was also three then Vice City and I would get bored after a couple hours
CJ: "Things have changed around here!"
"How'd it get so bad?
Big Smoke: "Straight back into the game, right dog?"
"Was it this bad before you left?"
GTA Players: Ain't this families turf?
Rockstar: Yeah, game mods families turf, we don't roll with them no more.
Grove Street... home.
At least it was before Rockstar fucked everythang up.
I got caught up in the money...the power. I don't give a shit. - Rockstar
Finally a proper criticism about this game . Who understands what is the problem then hating on everything the game has .
Great job aussie mate
Every reviewer is currently bashing it, so it’s not like this channel is the only one. Far from it, actually.
@@Loregasmo I know but he is not complaining every single thing that doesn't even matter or atleast knows the difference between remake and remastered
The game is trash in every way.
Hating on everything this game has is fine and correct because everything this game has is shit
@@EmpanadaDeCaca the gameplay is near unchanged, all though its lazy af , broken , glitchy and shit . That won't make the game any better then it is now for the people who actually want to play and enjoy it . Proper criticism is needed then complaining about the game not being like mafia 1 remake or the graphics not being equal to rdr2
Let me advocate for the poor modders who got sued by Take Two and Rockstat Games. Their mods would've had *less* bugs than this mess. And they release them for free, most of the times...
Totally agree. I don't PC so haven't played any, but I've seen plenty in action over the years.
Well that was more about the modders getting sued for unlocking porn scenes already present in the game. Just making them accessible to the player.
That caused the games to have their ratings move to AO from M which pissed off Rockstar and lots of suing happened. The end result is Rockstar paid out $20 million, removed the "spilt coffee" and refuse to ever mention it's previous existence pretending that it never happened at all.
@@the8thark lmao , in the "definitive version" they still havent removed the pron scene code since they that lazy...
I keep loving the segments where you turn the game volume back up to some sarcastic character dialogue in contrary to what you're saying, laughed throughout the entire video
this looks like something you'd make in unity or unreal 4 for practice.
it is made in unreal 4 😂
@@Sus3214 they ported the models, fucked them up in some cases, removed stuff and ctrl+c/v the code, then paid some things in the store and shipped it. I think there wasnt even a single QA tester and if yes, then god they did an awful job
If you planned on keeping your day job…😒😒
Aw shit you just gave away their trade secret!
@@RaskaTheFurry I saw someone on LinkedIn sharing a screenshot of their name in the QA section of the credits, so they definitely had a few at least.
but QA can't fix anything, they will just list issues for Devs to work on .
Rockstar is just showing us how little they care for their own franchise, and how much more they love money.
Gta Online is a good example too
little care for the franchise? I mean why would they? these games are +15 years old, they have nothing to prove to anyone other than making people buy the game TWICE after almost 2 decade. think about it, what harm are they going to experience? a bunch of crybabies complaining that the remaster isn't good? they're old games, what do you expect. they already postponed gta 6, why would they create more work for themselves and invest time and resources on remaking three old games??? you do realize they didn't need to do this LMAO because at the end of the day everyone will still buy GTA 6, regardless of how the trilogy was received, which is what they care most about. it's business stop crying lol
@@Doober117 Because if you truly care about your product you’re gonna make sure it’s playable or fills all the boxes that you need to make it successful. This is a very half assed remaster of three old games, I think those that came in with high expectations shouldn’t have because at the end of the day these are older games, but Rockstar could have definitely put in more effort and polished them up way better than they did. So basically you’re saying they didn’t have to dedicate a lot of resources on this project because they have GTA 6 coming on the way, you do realize that it’s been almost a decade since they released a Grand Theft Auto game? They couldn’t have done a better job than this? They might as well have not even dropped this if I’m going off of your point. Basically dollars speak over quality that’s what you’re saying, and that’s a bad business model because you gotta remember that these were the games that put Rockstar on the map. I don’t like this new age ‘hopefully they fix x,y, and z in a patch’ why is shit broken to begin with?
@@michaelj450 you’re 100% correct they’re taking almost 10 years to come out with the next gta installment so why would they burden themselves with extra work??? Again you realize that they cashed out on this trilogy cause dopes like you actually bought the game, so you honestly think they’re sweating cause you nerds are complaining about it??? Nah man cause like I said in my previous comment, you’ll still buy gta6 when it comes out and that’s what they’re aiming for. And it’s most definitely not a bad business model if they sold you basically the same game and cashed out. Business 101 my guy. Stop crying about it and move on. You’ll be paying them for gta 6 in no time LMAO
@@Doober117 I ain’t buy the definitive trilogy, jokes aint on me at all. Played San Andreas through Xbox Game Pass, like how you assumed I did though. Jokes on Rockstar themselves for dishing out a half assed product. Business 101, if a product isn’t good, your consumers probably ain’t gonna come back and wanna purchase from you again. Sometimes franchises or companies get too popular for their own good, might be the case here. Fuck you mean burden themselves with extra work they put the extra work on themselves so they better make sure they can handle that pressure. They made the choice to drop this so why not go all in? How you gonna drop a product and be like well we have other projects we are working on so that’s why this came out like shit, that’s HORRIBLE business. Feel bad for anyone who would have to work with or under you.
Worst of all is all the the behind the scenes drama that came with this "definitive" collection.
News about how Rockstar and Take Two publisher were demanding certain modders from taking their mods offline to the original games being no longer sold on official markets.
So not only are they releasing a bad product, they're burning bridges with a community that made their games even more awesome.
It's like Ubisoft and their games:
They'll release :
Standard Edition
Deluxe Edition
Ultimate Edition
But include stuff ONLY AVAILABLE in the Deluxe Edition...even though using the word "Ultimate" implies it contains the "Ultimate Compilation of Content".
Then again, Ubisoft is famous for releasing an Ultimate Edition, then a year later Re-release another Ultimate Edition for full price (and have a sale on the old ULT ED a week before they release the new ULT ED. Like with what they did with Ghost Recon Breakpoint).
Wait til Expanded and enhanced drops. This will really be the icing on the cake.
completely forgot about expanded and enhanced because of the GTA 3D trilogy remaster, can't wait to see how much it flops
I feel like it's just me who enjoys the game so far. (Only played GTA3 till now)
please dont get on my ass but what are you talking about?
@@NeedSomeVisine GTA 5 expanded and enhanced, basically "remastering the graphics" but from the looks of it and from what little effort that has been put into the GTA 3d trilogy remaster, it's gonna be shit
@d R That's not how it works, we need to make money
Crowcbat's going to have a field day.
I think you really hit the nail on the head. "The girl has got makeup, she looks good somewhat from outside but has lost her soul completely." Also they ain't never remastering Manhunt, you can bet with me on that.
Such a shame too. Amazing couple of games.
They did remastered it (using that term loosely) on PS4 but that's about it
Same with Midnight Club (for the better or for the worse)
As much as I'd like to see them make a new Midnight Club game,I'm terrified of how it's gonna end. And with that "Remaster" of these GTA titles,I'm terrified of how it would be *IF* they consider remastering the older Midnight Club titles.
Getting some random studio that does Android/iOS game ports to remaster GTA 3, VC & SA was a real galaxy brain move by Rockstar.
You hit the nail on the head when you said it was like those "________ in ultra modern graphics 4k HD 60fps" videos. All sense of art style was sacrificed at the altar of lens flares and overly reflective surfaces.
I was thinking the same fucking thing holy shit
I cant get over how much more opened up Tommy's eyes are. It's the dimension where tommy snorted up all the coke. Not lost it
🤣🤣🤣
20 keys of coke will do that to you.
The PS2 versions are the definitive versions
No cut songs, no patched missions
As intended
Og Xbox versions run a little better too, why remaster something that was already perfect?
Facts.
+ filters that arent in a single other version (especially vc). This also counts for Bully (and a multitude of other multiplatform games).
@@yenkocamaro6965 PlayStation 2 was the console that everyone played on, so as usual Xbox was a joke.
@@yenkocamaro6965 IMO the Xbox versions were a bit gimmicky
The GTA3 Xbox versions had those high res hands that were... interesting
But the Xbox versions were definitely better than the anniversary editions or the "definitive" editions
I am really glad that you mentioned that although the environments look good. They actually don't and there is a differnce between art style and graphical quality.
And its because each game had a different vibe and they simply applied the same shiny polished textureless geometrically correct visuals on all the buildings which in turn makes each game look very samey and generic.
I think you are the only person to really pick on this in detail and the problem is if there were no bugs nobody would have mentioned this and would have just accepted it.
That's why some of the games no matter what new ones came out, you wanted to go back to because nothing was like them. For example GTA 3, I went back and played it often even after GTA Vice City, SA, 4, etc. came out and it's because the games atmosphere was not replicated in any of the other games. And it was because the music, the peds, the buildings, landscape, weapons/weapon sounds, just overall gameplay, etc.
@@GyroLamb I definitely agree. I mean if you play gta 3 now for example yes it is very dated however the game feels so dark and atmospheric with the newspapers and dead leaves moving along the floor the city fog and the fog in the sea. Also the audio changes depending on whether you are on a dock or beach. As you hear and see more birds and less cars. The opening prison break scene with the rain feels very mgs 2 like.
Also Claude gives the middle finger when he stands in front of cars.
So yeah like you said man all of the little atmospheric things really suck you into the world and it is not all about just making everything shiny.
Those menu sounds from all three games were so unique and nostalgic for me. I can't believe they would change it to be all the same.
Sad situation all around. This trilogy is iconic and deserves so much more
Agree. This was a lazy nostalgia cash grab.
They could’ve taken their time into making this trilogy and given it a proper graphical enhancement here and there but nope Rockstar is just went to the lazy route and didn’t bother spending enough time and effort into making this an amazing looking definitive version we’ve promised to get. The only good definitive edition I can think of is the Halo Master Chief collection and also Mafia the definitive edition.
It's like Silent Hill HD Remaster all over again...
@@edgarp66 all remakes/remasters are cheap cash grabs.
@@dazitmane8905 i wouldnt say that.. remakes like RE or demons souls actually are better
I miss Claude having that cold look of indifference from the ps2 version
"So in essence, if you wanna play these three from this point on, on a PC, your only option is gonna be..."
Me: "pirating"
GmanLives: "this definitive edition"
Me: "oh... I mean... yeah... this version and definitely not anything illegal... haha"
That Batman quote about “Living long enough to see yourself become the villain” seems so apt for Rockstar right now! From 2001 to 2018 they were the greatest developers to ever make video games, seeing rockstar’s logo on a game was like a guaranteed seal of top quality content. It’s a real shame to see what they’ve become!
Could not agree more, me and my brothers used to love every game they created until now with this and how many times they’re re-releasing GTAV…
I swear buddy rockstar were like the Quentin Tarantino of gaming, now they are going on the same line as Ubisoft and EA
They started ruining gta V before 2018. RDR2 was cool but I already was getting tired of them by then
@@randomhiphop5055 true but, no denying RDR2 was an incredible technical achievement, that’s why I went as far as 2018 but, yes, definitely start ruining GTA V before 2018
Rockstar became the villain after GTA online became a huge cash cow.
15:35 But the thing about Vice City looking clean is that it's set in the 80s. That dirty, gritty look interspersed with bright colors is the OG retro 80s vibe, not the VHS scanning effect that many people use today to represent the 80s visual. Now it just looks like Miami in 2021... in Fortnite.
Yeah, pretty much the whole atmosphere of Vice City was taken from Miami Vice and Scarface, both of which had the "dirty, gritty look interspersed with bright colors" you mention.
The rain looks so bad. The rain on Ocarina of Time on N64 looks lightyears ahead of the rain on this. The rain effect on this GTA Definitive Trilogy is literally a cylinder centred on and locked to the player character. It looks OK whilst stood still and not looking at bodies of water. The original effect on PS2, whilst very lo-fi by today's standards, was at least a global weather effect and not just some effect applied to the character model and driving physics made more slippy.
I find it funny (in a bad way) how Rockstar name it a "trilogy" as if GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas are games with interconnected storyline and not a seperate games with their own environment, atmosphere, and gameplay
They where the trilogy of 3D games for the ps2.
It was released like this for ps2 sold as a bundle
they do have an interconnected storyline
@@olivercharles2930 do research
@@olivercharles2930 did you miss Rosenberg and Salvatore in SA? Or the fact that CJ worked for Joey Leone? What about LCS and VCS? Claude in SA was literally before him and Catalina went to Liberty City. Everyone knows the 3D universe is a thing. Why is this even being talked about?
@@olivercharles2930 their stories being connected IS the reason those games are classified under a "universe".
You know, at first i wanted to say that this looks like a graphical mod you'd find on the Nexus or Moddb but that would be an insult to actual GTA graphical mods that are there and completely free
was that a reference to pyro's video on PyroLive
10:09. OH MY GOD. I thought i was alone with this ! as a 3D artist i hate how generic unreal engine games look. nobody is going byond doing much with the default presets and almost every unreal game has the exact same lighting and atmosphere even if the assets have their own art style. finally someone other them me said it !
Depends on the game surely? I mean games like Gears Of War look amazing.
From what I can remember, Kingdom Hearts 3 uses the Unreal Engine, and that game looks fantastic.
People are calling me a nutjob when I mention that these generic game engines like UE, Unity etc. are all ruining new games' individuality
it's not the engine, it's the game devs
@@samhein321 exactly
Soulless is a good description. I've been trying to think of ways to describe how I feel the remasters look. The textures are just way too "polished" and "clean". They make the game look very simplistic, bland and a bit creepy. I feel so bad for anyone playing these games for the first time with the Definitive Edition. Truly a downgrade.
First thing I did was download
1.Rain Fix
2.Draw Distance Fix
3.Sound fix for each gane corresponding to their og counterpart
4.Font pack
5. Road Texture for 3 and VC
6. Xbox Pack for 3 texture
7. High res Texture for SA
8. Color fix for Radio icons and Map 🗺️ legends to match the art 🎨 style of the games
9. The Environment effective fix for 3 like Greenish 🍏 and gritty , colorful Poppy 🩷 for VC, weather for SA and the iconic Orange 🍊 haze
10. COMPLETELY FORGOT the Appropriate Water 🌊💦 Texture for each Fukin game
"The whole thing might look technically better, but it's come at the expense of the atmosphere, the ambience and the tone."
I've been saying the same thing about Halo CE:Anniversary for the past 10 years, I absolutely despise these remasters that completely destroy the original feel of the game. It sucks for old veterans, sure, but it's especially bad for new players. There's no soul put into them so they just end up feeling lifeless, which is *not* a good impression for newbies. Sorry this remaster had to suffer a similar fate.
I've never played a GTA game before, but I know that if I do, it won't be the remaster. I can deal with dated controls and low res textures, just as long as the tone and atmosphere of the game is good enough.
I agree with what you by removing the original feel, but the one redeeming thing that Halo did was give you the option to switch back between visuals, more games that are going to make remasters need to go by that. Most people in my opinion (I'm one of them) would prefer devs to resell their games with just quality of life updates and simple resolution and framerate upgrades.
As lazy as it sounds I'll pay for simple upgrades than having to spend time searching tutorials and working on in-game config files to make it more the way I want it.
I'm requesting my refund because after watching gameplay, seeing the bugs, and because I can't even install it or play it right now lol. But what got me to buy the game wasn't for the graphical fidelity it was for the quality of life updates, free aim, better controls ect.
The CE remaster was painful to look at in comparison to the 2 one, which was actually pretty damn good.
'The Library' most notably shows this imo. The original is a gloomy level where you get lost in endless dark rooms filled with horrors. In the anniversary edition it's a large building filled with LED strips and bright arrows pointing you towards the end. Yes, the textures are detailed, but it has completely lost its intended feel: from a dreary horror game to a repetitive zombie shooter.
What they absolutely did right was having a toggle so you could go back to old graphics whenever you like, which is most of the time in Halo 1 and sometimes in Halo 2. So now you can play the original game on your new xbox without bullshit (aside from some bugs but let's not go down that rabbit hole), which is the minimum this GTA port should have achieved.
At least in Halo CE you can just switch back to the old style with the press of a button.
The elevator sequence on the Arbiter and the dark foggy room on Sacred Icon in halo 2 were totally ruined in the remaster. The elevator sequence had such creepy banging metal noises and sound effects and they just removed them. Those levels are not tense or scary whatsoever anymore it sucks
This "definitive edition" reminds me of the XIII remake. It may not be nearly as bad as that, but it's similar in how much it's completely missed the point and lacked all those special details that made it what it was.
Damn i was thinking of buying the remake of XIII but if they ruined the visuals I probably wont
Actually, I think in a way, this """Definitive Edition""" is worse since you can't even buy the originals anymore. AND you have to buy it from Rockstar's gay ass launcher. Just that alone to me is completely unacceptable.
Oh, and don't forget all the fucking mod takedowns. Seriously, someone over at Rockstar/Take Two is being such a little bitch.
There is just no visual consistency with this remaster.
The old versions objectively had worse technology but still look better because the models, graphics, textures and lighting all complimented each other.
With this remaster, we have realistic, modern lighting mixed in with cartoony models that look like they came out of a PS2 game (because they did).
They probably had worse technology back in the day but it sure felt like it was used to its fullest. This feels like the team was spread way too thin to work on three separate games.
Sadly, that's what crap companies think a remaster is, just slapping the latest light engine and upping the textures from 512p to 720p. That's why I hate the remastered Mass Effect Trilogy. Yeah, they fixed some stuff but the original lighting the game had was to create atmosphere, now that the new engine uses regular lighting to make it looks more like real light, they messed up their style horribly.
@@TrialRagnarok66 At least in the case of the remastered Mass Effect trilogy you can still buy the original three games on digital storefronts for PC if you wanted to, and EA wasn't depraved enough to illegalize mods for them either.
This is like Collection of bugs from all games In world
"Soulless" hits the nail on the head. It is all soulless.
Rockstar: "Lookin' for somethin' special? I got what you need!"
Gives DE and takes away the originals
Rockstar: "Thanks for the money sucka!"
Lmaooo
I watched that video
Ironically, Rockstar themselves summarized the "definitive" edition best:
"I poke my head out of the gutter for one freaking second and fate shovels SHIT, in my face."
@Ar S What are you gonna do?
@@ZlatkoTheGod I'll drop by your office tomorrow so we can start sorting this mess out.
@@TESGAMEchannel >Rosenberg walking to his office unskippable cutscene*
>Car door opening and closing
*Billy Jean is not my lover (Michael Jackson noises)*
@@ZlatkoTheGod Players proceed to take a ride down the streets of Vice, all the while jamming out to the radio. Before long, the song gets cut off. The radio host warns of a storm shortly going to swoop down on the city and the bridges being closed on that account. By the time the song resumes, the players are pulling up to the Ocean View hotel.
@@TESGAMEchannel Hello Sonny.
As someone who never played the original vice city, tommy looks objectively the best. He looks generic but easy on the eye and quite attractive. But I’ll have to agree he looks nothing like the original idea the team had for him.