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So far, it’s only Alan Bates who can remember details. The execs are scum. I despised the lawyer, Rodric Williams who smirked, laughed, and deflected his whole way through his evidence. He will defo go. Utter contempt for the Sub Post staff.
A very slippery woman who, apparently, "only wanted to get at the truth". Even Jason Beer, no doubt exasperated by her deflection and poor recall, at one point asked her, "So what _was_ your job?"
But when the Inquiry is complete and the chairman publishes the report it will be damning. I am certain that the Inquiry team see exactly the same as you and I see - the lies, the blame-shifting, the deflection, but they have the paper trail that shows exactly the culture of denial and who is responsible. That will certainly result in prosecutions. I say this because the core participants,m those who ask questions at the end, are ruthless and frank in accusing these charlatans of lying, and openly blame them of perjury. They would not do that if they thought they were not on very safe ground.
@@wendysimpson6395 I wouldn’t have said all that before Xmas, but since he airing of the ITV drama the mood of the public has changed. The judiciary and the police know it. The current government have done little apart from make some noises but since most of them are corrupt they won’t actually do anything. The next Labour government will definitely not let this rest though - Starmer is a lawyer who has done pro-bono work in the past, and are more likely to push what they know is the public interest.
Totally agree and I have seen it time and time again in schools. Stories made up to get rid of staff mostly teachers but not only teachers. Usually those that are highly experienced, union members and not willing to toe the party line.
its hard to discribe this woman without swearing, she shows no empathy at all to all the victims lives she has helped distroy, freeze all of her assetts now, bank account, pensions and any property she owns and use it towards compensating those that she has wronged, then put her in front of a judge and jury, and when found guilty the judge should lock her up for the maximum amount of time he can, shes lied to judges allready so any judge worth their salt should make a example of her and everyone else involved.
She will be jailed surely. However if she isn’t she will be a social pariah the rest of her life . Hopefully that will be eat away at her but she seems totally devoid of feelings so maybe not. Dreadful woman !!
every one not giulty to die cant you tell.the tory are looking at this like covid and the dwp files .they wait long anough no one left to point it out only tory voters left .
@@normangale3159 she wont serve a day in prison corporate crimes are never punished in that way. The company will end up paying some money prison is only for working class
.p.o. 1 st actions one of them was to make his wife sign a NDA to get a pittence of what she deserved .they worked on that women untill she caved in .and did it on a lie no one from p.o, was allowed to talk to her .as agreed by allen and the group.
the partyline was to scare his wife into accepting pittence for a nda .through fear of getting nothing at all if she spoke.a women who seen every thing taken from her to boost the desires of paula vennals who must of known a sunak who funding her court cases had conflict of interest in the company.
No sign of any emotion, no regret or admission of any fault and quick to push the blame onto others. Took a bonus every year while innocent's went to jail or took their own life's in total desperation while she looked on. Lied to sub postmasters lied to JFSPM lied to mp,s lied to justice Frasier in court. Stripe her of all her bonuses from the time she knew about remote excess 2011 and Lock her up and throw away the keys. Horrid woman.
All her bonuses must be returned and most of her salary as well. Clearly she didn't do anything in the way of work, just sat around in an office ignoring all documents put in front of her, made no effort to check on whether Horizon was robust, made no effort to check what Fujitsu were doing. Beats me why she was employed as she apparently had no proper job, did no work, understood nothing, ignored everything that happdened, going on her answers at the enquiry.
Criminal prosecutions was given out to the right people the p.o. and the tory needed to be jailed .this is why we are here.900 of them sub post master broke bad acording to the courts .and the media went into over time to brand innacent people on repeat ,trying to get the public on the side of yet another tory lie.
As one who visits the U.K. on a regular basis, I’ve always believed that fair play is a fundamental part of the British character. After watching “Mr. Bates vs the Post Office” and the ongoing hearings, I am stunned that such a terrible wrong could occur. Lame and insincere apologies mean nothing. There must be justice and accountability.
Ja mieszkam teraz w UK i boję się że mnie może kiedyś coś takiego spotkać To nie sprawiedliwość To prawo bogatych przeciw biednym i bezbronnym !!! Zlodzieje mają kasę na prawników i się śmieją Jestem bardzo zawiedziony
It’s rare to witness someone who exudes such an aura of contempt and evil ….God help all those postmasters and their families , they deserve massive compensation
Was a very interesting hearing. At one point she wholly contradicted one of her own emails when it was right up on the screen and the entire room was reading it (as well as, hopefully, police and future lawyers of the innocent SPMs who will be able to begin EXTREMELY expensive prosecutions soon.) Quite curious to see someone who's existed in an entire professional career so utterly cornered, yet cannot quite cope with reality and believes EVEN NOW that lying and evasion and business-speak will save her from a well-deserved financial ruin when she's prosecuted over and over and over and over again by the families of the dead and ruined SPMs she's wilfully had a hand in prosecuting. Oh well, she can exist in denial all the way to that final bankruptcy hearing before she goes to jail. We don't need her denial, we have EVIDENCE. Tick tock Angela...
Wendy, you felt chills because you were watching a psychopath in action. She is a typical psychopath in a suit. Normal people automatically recoil from them.
I've watched a few live sessions with Jason Beer asking the questions and he's been brilliant. Slowly, calmly and methodically picking apart the Post Office people's inconsistencies and weak excuses.
That kind of questioning by a journalist always makes me uncomfortable. There has been a trend for about 30 years now to put the journalist center stage and to be provocative in news reporting. What is the point of asking a question like that when the person being questioned is not going to respond (except with a prepared generic statement). It's 'sound bite' journalism, instead of factual reporting.
@@karlxx13 Plus it lets her know that everyone has seen through the tissue of lies. She has spent her life in an office spouting corporate bullpoop and bullying people, now she’s learning what people really think of her.
@@CaminoAir I get where you're coming from and I can think of other examples where i'd agree re journalists. But the main takeaway from the previous day here had been her inability to recall events, emails she'd received, briefings she'd given, etc - so asking a question pertaining to her memory was a fairly neat way to summarise to the viewer that the issue with this witness is her inability to recall events / information / facts.
She has clearly been told not to incriminate herself, you will get the same from Paula when she comes to the inquiry, they both are fully aware of what will be coming their way after this inquiry.
The Inquiry was launched more than two years ago, and will conclude this Autumn. Any trial(s) will be separate matters, no doubt greatly helped by the recommendations/findings from the Inquiry. The police are already investigating certain individuals, and any legal proceedings will no doubt be instigated by them in due course.
Because they have different objectives. The purpose of the inquiry is to investigate and find out what happened. A criminal trial is testing people's behaviour against criminal law. Two very different things. In theory it is possible that as evidence is revealed in the inquiry, that it may be discovered criminal offences have been committed which could be prosecuted later. Then criminal trials may result. But you can't prosecute unless you have evidence. If you do that, the court case will collapse and be a complete waste of tax payers' money.
this is a statutory inquiry and it does not have full prosecutorial powers, however since evidence is given under oath, if, in the findings, the head of the inquiry feels that perjury has been committed then criminal charges will follow, from the way things are going quite a lot of people will be imprisoned, and if evidence is related to any prosecutions any recommendation as to criminal charges will be acted upon
This individual makes me sick. No ethics or principles. Could not tell the truth if she tried. She needs to receive a hefty prison sentence. Please let justice prevail!!!
Judge Peter Fraser criticised Van De Bogherd her testimony and said she "did not give me frank evidence, and sought to obfuscate matters, and mislead me". Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, challenged Ms van den Bogerd's opening statement, as he accused her of not saying sorry for her own role in the scandal…
I am afraid it is. Not in a criminal court it isn't, as you are expected to know what laws apply to you. Here, this is not a criminal trial, it is a statutory enquiry. In this type of enquiry, witnesses are sworn in under oath so if they lie they can be charged with perjury. If they refuse to cooperate they can be fined or imprisoned. But fundamentally, in this type of proceedings, the inquiry is not testing these people and their behaviours against criminal law. That's the purpose of a criminal court, not an inquiry.
A very difficult day of questioning to watch. Jason Beers was obviously having to control his emotions when questioning this awful woman. Hopefully when the disgusting Paula Vennells dragged before the inquiry then Jason Beers will just tear her apart.
“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” - Attributed to Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn
I am 68 and I remember falling out of my highchair, my first day a school, getting my tonsils out, my first date, my first car. and the name of my Mum & Dads budgie! Is there a reason why one after another the people called to this enquiry from the Post Office don't recall anything significant in their past?
It means none of them is employable as either they have Alzheimers or they are liars. But I bet all who don't end up in jail will go on to well paid top jobs and do them as badly as they have done their earlier jobs. Cronyism is rife in this country
Ermmmmmm .........the cost comes out of the £100MILLION of OUR taxpayers money given to the PO by the tories !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to 'PROTECT THE BRAND', ....That is after all what this trial is all about, 'PROTECTING THE PO BRAND' at all costs !
Those poor people and what they went through, just appalling. It’s clear for all to see what actually happened. All the more unbelievable that those responsible can’t accept that what they did was wrong.
She is currently working as an HR contractor employed to make 100 staff redundant at a company called Integral UK Ltd, she must be so proud of her contribution to society
Jail is too good for Mrs V D B and many of the other Post Office Ltd. officials. There’s a far too common theme with most of these POL officials when being questioned regarding incriminating details, “they can’t remember”. Or, when they are presented with an email that they received from years ago showing that they knew only too well what was going on, they happened not to have read the said email or didn’t take on board the emails content. Again, jail is too good for many of the other Post Office Ltd. officials
Totally agree but being cold and uncaring is not a crime. However, she has broken the criminal law by lying under oath and therefore guilty of perjury. Life would be justice!
A disgrace of a person with blood on her hands. Along with all the other PO management, she also continues to stand by her appalling behaviour. It will be a further national disgrace if this person doesn’t do serious jail time.
Totally. By the 2nd day AM her tone is exactly like that of a child. Listen to the way she says "no". Like a 5 year old being told off. This woman should never have been appointed to her position and should never be allowed to work with people again after she does her time in prison.
By her own admission she was negligently incompetent, in that she failed to engage with the truth. Electing to be morally and ethically bankrupt by being part of the mechanism of vindictive falsehoods, and cover up to put the PO reputation above that of the truth. To add to her negligence and vindictive actions, she repugnantly and knowingly signing a statement of truth that she knew was far from the truth, with far and reaching consequences to the victimes. THAT IS PERGURY, an AFRONT TO COURT, and FRAUD FOR GAIN.
Katherine Kelly Lang played her brilliantly in the ITV drama, although her portrayal was way too soft. This is a hardened, unethical, despicable woman.
@@georgejohnson7591 She was all about damage control when the scandal was in full flight, and she's all about damage control now. Deny, deflect, dissemble... it's all she knows.
Through out the inquiry she presented that she was trying so hard to help the sub-postmasters. All she was doing was in her word get to the bottom of the issues. But the evidences show that her so call help helped no one and destroyed lives instead. Her words are blatant lies. Yet she is not prosecuted. What kind of justice is this? She also conveniently forget things she was responsible for and remember very detailedly it was always other PO executives’ wrongdoing. Nothing to do with her.
I listened to her for a few minutes yesterday and all I could hear was waffle. She's spent her working life denying and deflecting and being economical with truth that when straight talking is needed she doesn't know how.
The cheek of her, trying to give the impression that she was trying to get compensation to the families as soon as possible when every printed record shows that she was involved in the cover up and attempts to minimise the eventual costs of compensation to the Post Office
A callous calculating woman at the center of this scandal. The time in the enquiry today is a perfect example of a narcissist. Sharp as a knife...Zero emotion, zero empathy.
If you listen to her evidence she was responsible for nothing, however if you read her LinkedIn profile she was responsible for almost everything including post office contracts
this person hold her head up in public ever again. The most shameful act was that she was able to accept her bonus for her despicable actions. Unbelievable, unthinkable, and please God unrepeatable ever.
Cold and dishonest - Charges coming up and she will not be able to hide behind "I dont recall", "I cant recollect", "I wish i had read that at the time" - The jury will decide whether she remembered, saw, initiated etc...
You can see she is as hard as nails ! Not a very nice person to be in an executive position in the PO. A jail term and loss of pension sounds about right !
The country have more compassion for the victims of this typical so called evil person who can't take responsibility. She should be in court and made to answer questions and thrown in prison. There so called apologies are not worth listening too and are little comfort to the lives they have destroyed. Give the money to all those that have been effected by this injustice.
The actions and motives were to save money and for personal gain in the way of significant benefits & bonus pay outs!!! Not to protect the brand.., it was to protect shareholders and save the business from going bankrupt!!
I'll be right at the front! But what front? What can I do to effect that? What can we all do? Public pressure is powerful but where do we all go to do it? All I've done is sign the petition and the five friends I texted also signed it. But we all want to do more. How, though?
Gareth Jenkins, chief IT architect at Fuj is one of only two people involved in the POscandal facing possible legal consequences, as the Met Police investigate him for potential perjury.21 Mar 2024 The technology expert who built the faulty Horizon IT system is understood to want immunity before appearing at a public inquiry. Gareth Jenkins, 69, previously gave evidence saying the Fujitsu system was 'not corrupt'
"So the Boggart (van den Bogerd) sitting in the darkness within has not yet assumed a form. She does not yet know what will frighten the person on the other side of the door. Nobody knows what a boggart looks like when she is alone, but when I let him out, she will immediately become whatever each of us most fears."
I watched the questioning and couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing. The law must now be used deprive those responsible for the Horizon coverup and subsequent prosecution of innocent people, of their liberty and any financial gain they made during their reign of terror.
She was dishonest then and she is dishonest now. My heart goes out to all those families over the many years who have suffered as a result of her legacy. I hope there is a conviction in her case.
I worked for royal mail for 7 years and the company hated the union and and staff that were in the union because we dared to stand up to these bullies. The public perception had always been that both sides were as bad as each other. However, now the public can see what royal mail management culture is actually like perhaps people will understand why the Union had to stand up for the staff so firmly.
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She's evil. A far more ruthless criminal than most of the people already behind bars.
Vicious
She is foul mouthed. Utterly disgusting
Agree, the very worst criminals are to be found wearing business attire.
I would sooner be in jail with Fred West than her.
Proisrael said in front of media cameras: "We are afraid and feel unsafe about this demonstration😢". but they stood watching at a close distance and even broke through the pro-Palestinian demonstration😂😂😂😂😂😂n
What a thoroughly evil creature.
Disgraceful woman absolutely no remorse……
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D bitterness is so ugly in her
She’s making herself look repellent
Sadly I do not think she cares how she looks does not appear to have any shame in their role in destroying peoples lives @@s.j.bluewater908
@@s.j.bluewater908 Nature's already done that, but she's definitely not helping herself.
It’s a blessing and a miracle she remembered to turn up at the inquiry given her poor memory for everything else.
lol
Just waiting for the mental stress defence.
100%
So far, it’s only Alan Bates who can remember details. The execs are scum. I despised the lawyer, Rodric Williams who smirked, laughed, and deflected his whole way through his evidence. He will defo go. Utter contempt for the Sub Post staff.
Like the shopkeeper said, if he can remember, why can’t all the “officials “ employed or engaged in their jobs? Shame on them.
Jail her.
Jail is to good for her.
A very slippery woman who, apparently, "only wanted to get at the truth". Even Jason Beer, no doubt exasperated by her deflection and poor recall, at one point asked her, "So what _was_ your job?"
Did she reply 'I dont remember...?'
No surprises here ,she's been well rehearsed by her legal team and has no intention of revealing her culpability or admitting any guilt.
But when the Inquiry is complete and the chairman publishes the report it will be damning. I am certain that the Inquiry team see exactly the same as you and I see - the lies, the blame-shifting, the deflection, but they have the paper trail that shows exactly the culture of denial and who is responsible. That will certainly result in prosecutions. I say this because the core participants,m those who ask questions at the end, are ruthless and frank in accusing these charlatans of lying, and openly blame them of perjury. They would not do that if they thought they were not on very safe ground.
@@srp01983I wish I had you're faith.
@@wendysimpson6395 I wouldn’t have said all that before Xmas, but since he airing of the ITV drama the mood of the public has changed. The judiciary and the police know it. The current government have done little apart from make some noises but since most of them are corrupt they won’t actually do anything. The next Labour government will definitely not let this rest though - Starmer is a lawyer who has done pro-bono work in the past, and are more likely to push what they know is the public interest.
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@@srp01983 Sir Wyn did not seem convinced by her evidence.
Middle management in Britain is absolutely full of these people
When you reach middle management you will understand why these people are like this.
@jjefferyworboys8138 You literally have no idea who I am or what I do, which in this case, is absolutely hilarious.
You are spot on. I've been saying this for some years now.
Totally agree and I have seen it time and time again in schools. Stories made up to get rid of staff mostly teachers but not only teachers. Usually those that are highly experienced, union members and not willing to toe the party line.
Unfortunately yes its about who you know not what u know..
its hard to discribe this woman without swearing, she shows no empathy at all to all the
victims lives she has helped distroy, freeze all of her assetts now, bank account, pensions
and any property she owns and use it towards compensating those that she has wronged,
then put her in front of a judge and jury, and when found guilty the judge should lock her up
for the maximum amount of time he can, shes lied to judges allready so any judge worth
their salt should make a example of her and everyone else involved.
Watching the appalling lies from these heinous people demonstrates the Post Office was/is rotten to the core.
Vennels must be trembling in her cycling shoes knowing what she faces shortly. Jail them all!
Still the he Reverend Venal C of E .
And now!!!!
Bet her priestly collar is feeling a bit tight about now
I disagree that Vennells is trembling in her cycling shoes. Psychopaths always hold themselves guiltless.
she got her gods to protect her the tory party.they done a real good job for 20 years .
If she and Vennells isn’t ultimately jailed it means the law and justice are completely corrupted!!!
was before this already .this just shows us what we already new the courts are not falible and niether is the .P.O. and the tory behind her.
Law and justice are two different things, unfortunately.
@@andydudley1775 More to do with Labour , as you know.
@@rogerroger5255 do i know !
She will be jailed surely. However if she isn’t she will be a social pariah the rest of her life . Hopefully that will be eat away at her but she seems totally devoid of feelings so maybe not. Dreadful woman !!
This vile woman is guilty of perjury. What is the law waiting for?
@@jeremydunn932All are equal before the law.
She & Paula Vennells are vile people! Hope they do not get away with this, but fear they will with this weak government & justice system.
Jail is hers
@@ilokiviReally? Don't hold your breath. They are purposely dragging it out in hopes of people dieing off and others just forgetting it all together.
every one not giulty to die cant you tell.the tory are looking at this like covid and the dwp files .they wait long anough no one left to point it out only tory voters left .
She's belongs in prison
That is exactly what she hopes by her lies and deceptions that she can stay out of jail
@@normangale3159 she wont serve a day in prison corporate crimes are never punished in that way. The company will end up paying some money prison is only for working class
Prison, more tax payers money. I can think of better things to so with her
With all her memory lapses, I’m surprised she’s not being interviewed in an old age home!!😁😆😈
Rest in Peace, Martin Griffith.
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.p.o. 1 st actions one of them was to make his wife sign a NDA to get a pittence of what she deserved .they worked on that women untill she caved in .and did it on a lie no one from p.o, was allowed to talk to her .as agreed by allen and the group.
the partyline was to scare his wife into accepting pittence for a nda .through fear of getting nothing at all if she spoke.a women who seen every thing taken from her to boost the desires of paula vennals who must of known a sunak who funding her court cases had conflict of interest in the company.
No sign of any emotion, no regret or admission of any fault and quick to push the blame onto others. Took a bonus every year while innocent's went to jail or took their own life's in total desperation while she looked on. Lied to sub postmasters lied to JFSPM lied to mp,s lied to justice Frasier in court. Stripe her of all her bonuses from the time she knew about remote excess 2011 and Lock her up and throw away the keys. Horrid woman.
Yes, a typical psychopath in a suit.
Classic Sociopath traits.
All her bonuses must be returned and most of her salary as well. Clearly she didn't do anything in the way of work, just sat around in an office ignoring all documents put in front of her, made no effort to check on whether Horizon was robust, made no effort to check what Fujitsu were doing. Beats me why she was employed as she apparently had no proper job, did no work, understood nothing, ignored everything that happdened, going on her answers at the enquiry.
i did seem emotion the pure anger of having to answer questions .rishi should of given them more help and hired hitmen for her.
Criminal prosecutions are needed
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And payback of bonuses.
Criminal prosecutions was given out to the right people the p.o. and the tory needed to be jailed .this is why we are here.900 of them sub post master broke bad acording to the courts .and the media went into over time to brand innacent people on repeat ,trying to get the public on the side of yet another tory lie.
As one who visits the U.K. on a regular basis, I’ve always believed that fair play is a fundamental part of the British character. After watching “Mr. Bates vs the Post Office” and the ongoing hearings, I am stunned that such a terrible wrong could occur. Lame and insincere apologies mean nothing. There must be justice and accountability.
Ja mieszkam teraz w UK i boję się że mnie może kiedyś coś takiego spotkać
To nie sprawiedliwość
To prawo bogatych przeciw biednym i bezbronnym !!!
Zlodzieje mają kasę na prawników i się śmieją
Jestem bardzo zawiedziony
That was clearly your mistake LOL.... very far from.
Go directly to jail. Do not pass go.
It’s rare to witness someone who exudes such an aura of contempt and evil ….God help all those postmasters and their families , they deserve massive compensation
Was a very interesting hearing. At one point she wholly contradicted one of her own emails when it was right up on the screen and the entire room was reading it (as well as, hopefully, police and future lawyers of the innocent SPMs who will be able to begin EXTREMELY expensive prosecutions soon.)
Quite curious to see someone who's existed in an entire professional career so utterly cornered, yet cannot quite cope with reality and believes EVEN NOW that lying and evasion and business-speak will save her from a well-deserved financial ruin when she's prosecuted over and over and over and over again by the families of the dead and ruined SPMs she's wilfully had a hand in prosecuting. Oh well, she can exist in denial all the way to that final bankruptcy hearing before she goes to jail. We don't need her denial, we have EVIDENCE.
Tick tock Angela...
Yes, we are counting down the hours...
Her lie 'it didn't register with me' was so callous. Her whole demeanour chilled me.
She was only interested in taking vast wads of cash from the Sub-postmasters cash registers !!!
Wendy, you felt chills because you were watching a psychopath in action. She is a typical psychopath in a suit. Normal people automatically recoil from them.
Shes good at word play isnt she.....another one is that "she didnt spot the disconnect"....all corporate bs speak without just saying yes or no
She is a classic Sociopath, cold, scheming, devoid of empathy for anyone, save herself.
Tip Corporate Exec…..
I've watched a few live sessions with Jason Beer asking the questions and he's been brilliant. Slowly, calmly and methodically picking apart the Post Office people's inconsistencies and weak excuses.
I think he's their heavyweight, they bring him out for all the big ones.
We need police investigation put her. in front of a court and let her tell her lies to a judge
a high court judge has already called her a liar, not in so many words but he's said it
First question outside the inquiry: Are you going to remember more today?
She needs to be up before a court, facing a lengthy sentence.
That kind of questioning by a journalist always makes me uncomfortable. There has been a trend for about 30 years now to put the journalist center stage and to be provocative in news reporting. What is the point of asking a question like that when the person being questioned is not going to respond (except with a prepared generic statement). It's 'sound bite' journalism, instead of factual reporting.
@@karlxx13 Plus it lets her know that everyone has seen through the tissue of lies. She has spent her life in an office spouting corporate bullpoop and bullying people, now she’s learning what people really think of her.
@@CaminoAir I get where you're coming from and I can think of other examples where i'd agree re journalists. But the main takeaway from the previous day here had been her inability to recall events, emails she'd received, briefings she'd given, etc - so asking a question pertaining to her memory was a fairly neat way to summarise to the viewer that the issue with this witness is her inability to recall events / information / facts.
Angela,can you remember your way back home?
Criminal cover up.
..and no doubt the govt is fully supportive of the cover up and F*** the victims!
She has clearly been told not to incriminate herself, you will get the same from Paula when she comes to the inquiry, they both are fully aware of what will be coming their way after this inquiry.
Why is this a inquiry and not a trial?
The Inquiry was launched more than two years ago, and will conclude this Autumn. Any trial(s) will be separate matters, no doubt greatly helped by the recommendations/findings from the Inquiry. The police are already investigating certain individuals, and any legal proceedings will no doubt be instigated by them in due course.
@@ftumschkI hope they all face true justice or the justice they meted out to the poor sub-postmasters at the very least.
Because they have different objectives.
The purpose of the inquiry is to investigate and find out what happened.
A criminal trial is testing people's behaviour against criminal law.
Two very different things.
In theory it is possible that as evidence is revealed in the inquiry, that it may be discovered criminal offences have been committed which could be prosecuted later. Then criminal trials may result.
But you can't prosecute unless you have evidence. If you do that, the court case will collapse and be a complete waste of tax payers' money.
this is a statutory inquiry and it does not have full prosecutorial powers, however since evidence is given under oath, if, in the findings, the head of the inquiry feels that perjury has been committed then criminal charges will follow, from the way things are going quite a lot of people will be imprisoned, and if evidence is related to any prosecutions any recommendation as to criminal charges will be acted upon
This individual makes me sick. No ethics or principles. Could not tell the truth if she tried. She needs to receive a hefty prison sentence. Please let justice prevail!!!
Her face gives herself away.
Her face looks like its had the makeup applied by a cricket bat.
They knew it was all wrong but did nothing, Fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison.
The very definition of institutionalised corporate corruption...
Nothing than plain evil. And if seems that she is still being prompted by her evil legal team.
She’s not believable
Make a good MP when the lips are moving you can see the lies flowing out.
Judge Peter Fraser criticised Van De Bogherd her testimony and said she "did not give me frank evidence, and sought to obfuscate matters, and mislead me".
Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, challenged Ms van den Bogerd's opening statement, as he accused her of not saying sorry for her own role in the scandal…
Her legal team done a great job but despite that came across as1 nasty peice of work devoid of any remorse
Ignorance isnt a defence
I am afraid it is.
Not in a criminal court it isn't, as you are expected to know what laws apply to you.
Here, this is not a criminal trial, it is a statutory enquiry. In this type of enquiry, witnesses are sworn in under oath so if they lie they can be charged with perjury.
If they refuse to cooperate they can be fined or imprisoned.
But fundamentally, in this type of proceedings, the inquiry is not testing these people and their behaviours against criminal law. That's the purpose of a criminal court, not an inquiry.
An Evil woman
Terrible human being
Disgusting, I cannot understand why she's not in jail.
A very difficult day of questioning to watch.
Jason Beers was obviously having to control his emotions when questioning this awful woman.
Hopefully when the disgusting Paula Vennells dragged before the inquiry then Jason Beers will just tear her apart.
She should be in prison, and for a long long time.
I find the reaction of some in the local "communities" almost as chilling as the attitude of the Post Office.
It would be interesting to see them step forward and justify what made them so certain at the time of the Post Masters guilt.
“We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” - Attributed to Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn
I am 68 and I remember falling out of my highchair, my first day a school, getting my tonsils out, my first date, my first car. and the name of my Mum & Dads budgie! Is there a reason why one after another the people called to this enquiry from the Post Office don't recall anything significant in their past?
It means none of them is employable as either they have Alzheimers or they are liars. But I bet all who don't end up in jail will go on to well paid top jobs and do them as badly as they have done their earlier jobs. Cronyism is rife in this country
Van den Bogerd has a lawyer present at the inquiry, who’s paying for that?
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A six figure salary will help!
Ermmmmmm .........the cost comes out of the £100MILLION of OUR taxpayers money given to the PO by the tories !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to 'PROTECT THE BRAND', ....That is after all what this trial is all about, 'PROTECTING THE PO BRAND' at all costs !
Not that Slag that’s for sure
There's no emotion, no remorse.
Psychopaths are incapable of feeling remorse.
@@philhart4849 You mean sociopaths, I know Im one.
Those poor people and what they went through, just appalling. It’s clear for all to see what actually happened.
All the more unbelievable that those responsible can’t accept that what they did was wrong.
Despicable woman. Not an utter sign of remorse. No admittance of wrongdoing. If the police do not look into this then there is no justice, for anyone.
The police probably will investigate, however that is no guarantee of a prosecution.
She is currently working as an HR contractor employed to make 100 staff redundant at a company called Integral UK Ltd, she must be so proud of her contribution to society
Watching and waiting for the full story to come out...
Don't hold your breath, mate.
Jail is too good for Mrs V D B and many of the other Post Office Ltd. officials.
There’s a far too common theme with most of these POL officials when being questioned regarding incriminating details, “they can’t remember”. Or, when they are presented with an email that they received from years ago showing that they knew only too well what was going on, they happened not to have read the said email or didn’t take on board the emails content.
Again, jail is too good for many of the other Post Office Ltd. officials
she should be in jail . She look cold & uncaring .
Totally agree but being cold and uncaring is not a crime. However, she has broken the criminal law by lying under oath and therefore guilty of perjury. Life would be justice!
A disgrace of a person with blood on her hands. Along with all the other PO management, she also continues to stand by her appalling behaviour. It will be a further national disgrace if this person doesn’t do serious jail time.
Cold. Evil. Criminal.
The third has yet to be proven and sadly probably won't be.
The KCs as ever were spot on. The truth will out😊
Like a child that has been caught out!
Totally. By the 2nd day AM her tone is exactly like that of a child. Listen to the way she says "no". Like a 5 year old being told off. This woman should never have been appointed to her position and should never be allowed to work with people again after she does her time in prison.
By her own admission she was negligently incompetent, in that she failed to engage with the truth. Electing to be morally and ethically bankrupt by being part of the mechanism of vindictive falsehoods, and cover up to put the PO reputation above that of the truth.
To add to her negligence and vindictive actions, she repugnantly and knowingly signing a statement of truth that she knew was far from the truth, with far and reaching consequences to the victimes.
THAT IS PERGURY, an AFRONT TO COURT, and FRAUD FOR GAIN.
There is SO MUCH cruelty.
Katherine Kelly Lang played her brilliantly in the ITV drama, although her portrayal was way too soft. This is a hardened, unethical, despicable woman.
She knows the game’s up
And yet still she lies!
She hasn't been charged with anything criminal, just some uncomfortable questions.
@@georgejohnson7591 She was all about damage control when the scandal was in full flight, and she's all about damage control now. Deny, deflect, dissemble... it's all she knows.
@@jjefferyworboys8138 Yet!
Through out the inquiry she presented that she was trying so hard to help the sub-postmasters. All she was doing was in her word get to the bottom of the issues. But the evidences show that her so call help helped no one and destroyed lives instead. Her words are blatant lies. Yet she is not prosecuted. What kind of justice is this? She also conveniently forget things she was responsible for and remember very detailedly it was always other PO executives’ wrongdoing. Nothing to do with her.
An utter National disgrace.
I listened to her for a few minutes yesterday and all I could hear was waffle. She's spent her working life denying and deflecting and being economical with truth that when straight talking is needed she doesn't know how.
Where is the money the Post Office has taken Fraudulently. Give it back now.
Lost in system but paid out in bonuses probably.
Money made its way into their bonuses.
The cheek of her, trying to give the impression that she was trying to get compensation to the families as soon as possible when every printed record shows that she was involved in the cover up and attempts to minimise the eventual costs of compensation to the Post Office
A callous calculating woman at the center of this scandal. The time in the enquiry today is a perfect example of a narcissist. Sharp as a knife...Zero emotion, zero empathy.
UK PO managers acted with the mentality of a pack or lynch mob.
Selective amnesia
The way the doorman at the beginning of the video ignored her as she walked in says it all!
If you listen to her evidence she was responsible for nothing, however if you read her LinkedIn profile she was responsible for almost everything including post office contracts
Everyone likes to make themselves sound important even if they aren't.
Some needs to be sent to jail !
Will any of those responsible go to prison?
Tony Blair didn't.
@@chasjm21 When did he work for the Post Office?
I believe they will be held fully accountable in the legal; proceedings that will certainly follow this inquiry.
@@howardosborne8647 Do you believe in Santa too ?
@@cadelepski5161 Neither here nor there, it's about taking responsibility for what they have done to people.
this person hold her head up in public ever again. The most shameful act was that she was able to accept her bonus for her despicable actions. Unbelievable, unthinkable, and please God unrepeatable ever.
Are you going to remember more for us today?
Great question
I do hope those nice people in that Oxfordshire Village beg that Family's forgiveness ! :D
She should be sent to prison .
I cannot believe people in Vipin's Oxfordshire village would set up a cross with his name on it - that's callous, cruel, and shameful.
They should be deeply embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Blatantly lying and thinks she'll get away with that. I hope she is prosecuted and im on the jury.
Pure evil, she has been part of destroying so many peoples life.
Cold and dishonest - Charges coming up and she will not be able to hide behind "I dont recall", "I cant recollect", "I wish i had read that at the time" - The jury will decide whether she remembered, saw, initiated etc...
You can see she is as hard as nails ! Not a very nice person to be in an executive position in the PO. A jail term and loss of pension sounds about right !
The country have more compassion for the victims of this typical so called evil person who can't take responsibility.
She should be in court and made to answer questions and thrown in prison.
There so called apologies are not worth listening too and are little comfort to the lives they have destroyed.
Give the money to all those that have been effected by this injustice.
An evil machine requires a plenitude of banal, efficient, loyal , soulless cogs
They have all been legally advised to take the default position of complete incompetence by the looks of things. Disgraceful bunch
The actions and motives were to save money and for personal gain in the way of significant benefits & bonus pay outs!!! Not to protect the brand.., it was to protect shareholders and save the business from going bankrupt!!
If she missed things, why was she in the position she was, in the first place? Incapable of carrying out her role !
Truly disgusting the way these people were treated, she should be in jail with her pals.
She is 1of many that need to go to jail.
These bastards had better go to jail for life for Corporate manslaughter or there will be uproar in this Country.
I'll be right at the front!
But what front? What can I do to effect that? What can we all do? Public pressure is powerful but where do we all go to do it? All I've done is sign the petition and the five friends I texted also signed it. But we all want to do more. How, though?
Cannot recall, obviously..........
Why didn’t the criminal justice system notice after 900 spm go to trial that this is not a strange trend?
Gareth Jenkins, chief IT architect at Fuj is one of only two people involved in the POscandal facing possible legal consequences, as the Met Police investigate him for potential perjury.21 Mar 2024
The technology expert who built the faulty Horizon IT system is understood to want immunity before appearing at a public inquiry. Gareth Jenkins, 69, previously gave evidence saying the Fujitsu system was 'not corrupt'
See no proof, hear no proof,deny everything and if doubt sorry I can't remember that?
"So the Boggart (van den Bogerd) sitting in the darkness within has not yet assumed a form. She does not yet know what will frighten the person on the other side of the door. Nobody knows what a boggart looks like when she is alone, but when I let him out, she will immediately become whatever each of us most fears."
I watched the questioning and couldn’t believe what I was seeing and hearing. The law must now be used deprive those responsible for the Horizon coverup and subsequent prosecution of innocent people, of their liberty and any financial gain they made during their reign of terror.
She was dishonest then and she is dishonest now. My heart goes out to all those families over the many years who have suffered as a result of her legacy. I hope there is a conviction in her case.
I worked for royal mail for 7 years and the company hated the union and and staff that were in the union because we dared to stand up to these bullies. The public perception had always been that both sides were as bad as each other. However, now the public can see what royal mail management culture is actually like perhaps people will understand why the Union had to stand up for the staff so firmly.
Let's hope they get there justice and some of these people endure what they have and end up in prison