She's like Theresa May. "I love the country" ... starts crying. What about the ordinary people in the country who are struggling to feed their kids, or get a hospital appointment while you and your chums are getting rich? (cries some more for herself)
Paula Vennells will not go to prison. Fujitsu is still earning billions of dollars a year from the UK government. Where is the justice for the citizens who went to prison?
@@shirleywarner2794 True. Since it was their system that was defective and they couldn't fix it or detect the flaws why hasn't the UK government cut ties with them?
La-La land from beginning to end. Why no double-entry accounting? A legal trial-like event is not the way to debug a complex software system. It's akin to searching for a needle in the middle of the proverbial hayrick during the night. There is no mention of how the standard TCP/IP has no intrinsic method to prevent intrusion. IMHO this debacle has amply demonstrated that it is impossible to achieve anything approachimg fair justice when the legal protagonists have little or no professional knowledge about the functioning of possible causes of the apparent abstraction of cash from the clients accounts. For Justice to be done all the sub-postmasters need to have their overall situations fully restored to the status they enjoyed before this pile of incompetent software was imposed on them. I hope Fujitsu are going to be removed from the list of approved suppliers of computer equipment and software to the United Kingdom government and Quangos. Finally:- Remember the addage about the letters I. B. and M they stand in for the phrase:- "It's Better Manually". In this particular situation it is particularly true.
She's crying for herself, not for the victims. For years, she enjoyed all the money, the titles and the prestige that came with her job with not a single thought to the victims. Duplicitous charlatan.
She should be jailed, made to return all her bonuses and banned from holding a directorship as a minimum. How she imagines her tacky performance will somehow exonerate her only goes to demonstrate her narcissistic personality.
She loved the Post Office, but couldn't give a shit about the people who worked for it, and was happy to see 10s or 100s sent to prison. What a hypocrite!!
@@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904The verse that springs to mind is “get away you workers of lawlessness.” To think Justin Welby had her in mind to become the Bishop of London. They have one quality in common, they both lack compassion for innocent people who have been abused,
The great british tradition of protecting the wealthy and powerful. Have an enquiry, get them to say "sorry!" and then allow them to retire and enjoy their millions. This country is still stuck in a medieval attitude towards class.
Yes The Worn out words These Scumbag use When They get Caught -: GRAVE ERROR OF JUDGMENT, IVE DONE NO WRONG DOING, I APOLOGISE UNRESERVEDLY, Sick of These BASTARDS.
And she called it letting them down. Rather than destroying their lives and causing deaths. She tried to minimise their suffering. The women is despicable. She also wanted to dig up dirt on the man who walked in front of the bus by suggesting he had mental health issues. Rather than the issue he had with the PO. She also made sure she personally dealt with the PO guy who was also a Magistrate. She needs jailed for a very long time and should lose everything as they poor innocent people did. I was so angry watching all her evidence.
She is a big time Liar by doing everything possible to carry out her mission - expansion of 30,000 Post Offices. How was she allowed to do so without any supervision needed and get away with it since the time the first report of the problem with the Horizon system? For 25 years, she destroyed the lives of subpostmasters’ and their families. How can any human being live with that kind of selfishness and greed? 🙄🙄🙄🙄
She does a nearly perfect job of being the perfect, well spoken British upper class lady (though not quite). I can see a lot of people buying into her. A people-pleaser and evader of confrontation -- most people like that are liked by others because they don't rock the boat.
Which in 2018 was £718,300 which equates to £59,858 per month. That is absolutely obscene. My cat could’ve done a better job than she did. And for less pay.
I watched and heard the whole thing. She is a liar and she knew what she was doing. She was up to her neck in it. She needs to be going to prison for a very long time. People have died too. She cared about no one but herself and keeping the PO out of the news. She tried to blame them. She even tried to say the man that walked in front of the bus had probably previously maybe have mental health issues. She looked to blame him too. Despicable nasty women tried to hide behind the church too.
This lawyer is amazing how he cleverly and tactically exposes their lies… he’s a brilliant lawyer and I love how he leads them in to traps and it’s good watching these criminals squirm and trying to lie their way out of it, and not answering questions properly, coincidentally forgetting and unable to recall key details… I like how he then calls them out and makes them look like the lying bullies they are… people lost their lives and took their lives because they couldn’t live with the shame being branded a criminal, people got convicted and lost their freedom, jobs, their family names humiliated… while these narcissistic gangsters in higher management were profiting and trying to protect the PO name… I hope these criminals get jailed for very long sentences for the harm they have done.
She didn't let them down. She destroyed their lives. How dare she belittle what she did. to all those people. I detest this women and i don't even know her. But this is unforgivable. Utter tripe out of her. Blah blah blah. In tears because she thought she had gotten away with it all. And she is now sitting there.
Well stated. I thought the same thing about how Vennells MINIMIZES what was done by Post Office to the Sub-postmasters ... and the real-life repercussions for all the Subs.
@Babblebabble87 exactly if it was possible I'd hold her accountable for them to.. I mean the money is one thing but innocent people who felt they no other choice but to end their life... that's disgusting
Thank you, Mr Henry, for holding this awful woman's feet to the fire, and not letting her off the hook. She could win an Osdcar for her performance. And you can be damned sure she will be jetting off on holiday, as soon as her "ordeal" here is over. She had and has NO compassion for the poor people she screwed into the the ground
I’m not sure what you wrote originally. But just to note: practice = noun practise = verb You should write “You don’t practise it” The c vs s spelling is a common noun/verb distinction. some advice, to advise a licence, to license If you ever forget, just think of how advice/advise are spelled, because the pronunciations are different.
Despicable woman who will probably be allowed to keep all her money and walk away with a slap on the wrist, leaving a trail of destroyed lives in her wake. She should be getting at least 10 years for what she's done.
Nah give her 50years, she's got blood on her hands, people literally commited suicide because of her. Nothing but a power-hungry narcissist. Now that she's been caught & highlighted for what seems so many years it's been swept under the carpet for I hope she gets what she deserves.
My parents were sub postmasters in Essex in the 60’s until the 80’s and this problem could easily have happened to them. With so many of them coming forward with the same issue, how could they have been ignored?
realistically she should have said "my only motivation was for myself and my bank account" she is a vulgar person and I really hope charges are brought to all who oversaw this despicable failure.
@@woodenseagull1899 She was more than just incompetent, she didn’t care. Many of us have been in work situations where we felt unprepared for something. The big big difference is when you 1) recognize that you are in over your head and 2) you get the proper assistance to help you see it through.
Strictly speaking, they weren't employees but contractors, what we would call 1099 in the US. What colors her attitude, I believe, is that SPMs have always been considered underlings, not really "gentlemen," and she was too busy catering to the upper crust, i.e. the Tory government. Seeing the SPMs as human beings with equal rights to her was not uppermost in her mind, and that is what led to her downfall and the downfall of the Post Office.
She tries to portray herself as an innocent, wide-eyed incompetent little waif. She didn't become CEO of the Post Office by being all that. She is an insincere, malicious, vindictive, over-entitled monster.
Private Eye exposed the Horizon scandal over a decade ago-it WAS known about, but even if you accept Vennells lie that "She knew nothing about it" surely that BEGS the question "Then what on earth was the point of you as CEO at all if you're clueless about what goes on in the company you're hugely renumerated to be in control of?" Proof that most companies-particularly public/ex public owned ones, don't need these stuffed shirts at all.
How was she ordained as a Priest!?! What a horrible careerist woman. She has 4 people who actually took own lives on her conscience & ruined other peoples' reputation.
She really does not care about those people. Like Tony Blair, thousands of deaths on his conscience, but he no doubt sleeps soundly at night with his smug grin. These types of people truly do not care about others .
*Looks at catholic church* Yeah no, no priests have ever been less than morally upstanding, not a clue how someone once in a religious institution ended up ruining the lives of innocent people surely nothing like this has ever happened in the history of christianity...
You are spot on, it's a horrible world today Everyone for themselves, the ones at the bottom actually do the work those at the top do very very little yet get massive pay. Why oh why does this keep happening
like most wrongdoers, The apologies and tears only came into being once they were found out. The evidence smacks of a cover up from the investigators and lawyers all the way up to the execs. Lives lost and ruined. Heads MUST roll.
Jo Hamilton is one the heroes throughout this whole inquiry. She has not been allowed to ask her own questions, but her presence and looking at the witnesses has spoken a million words
The old "If I cry enough, they'll go easy on me" routine......sprinkled (as usual) with the obligatory "I don't recall" or two...... "I loved the Post Office" (especially the salary and benefits as the CEO ) I wonder what odds Ladbrokes would offer on there being a straight and honest answer to *any* question asked? Who would *ever* have thought a TV drama would have this much clout?
I watched the drama in New Zealand 🇳🇿 having worked for the Post Office (my first employment after finishing education) this made my blood boil. Vennells and Fujitsu are both equally guilty. She says information wasn't given to her - why not? So many questions and not all answered because quite conveniently, she cannot recall. A very selective memory she has.
This lawyer is absolutely amazing how he just cleverly and tactically exposes their lies… he’s a brilliant lawyer and I love how he leads them in to traps and it’s good watching these criminals squirm and trying to lie their way out of it, and not answering questions properly, coincidentally forgetting and unable to recall key details… I like how he then calls them out and makes them look like the lying bullies they are… people lost their lives and took their lives because they couldn’t live with the shame being branded a criminal, people got convicted and lost their freedom, jobs, their family names humiliated… while these narcissistic gangsters in higher management were profiting… I hope these criminals get jailed for very long sentences for the harm they have done. Those poor families.
Lock up her and anyone else involved. She knew exactly what she doing and what was going on. Offering bonuses to her underhanded henchman for every conviction they got! What makes it even worse if that's actually possible? She was once an Anglican priest ffs! Just sums up the churches caring nature in one fell swoop as well? She was in charge and top jobs with the top money carry consequences. Remove the £3 million bonus She received and put that straight in the compensation pot. Pregnant post master imprisoned. Eviction. Bankruptcy. Prison Sentences. INNOCENT people taking their own life's over it. This whole thing is truly disgusting beyond belief and heads must roll!!
I hope her colleagues, who she is throwing under the bus, has emails and texts informing her of the bugs in the system, for which she says she wasn't told of
This was of course a few years ago but I remember going to our local post office one day only to find that it had been raided by the police and closed down with the post master and his wife being taken away by the police. They'd been there for at least 20 years in the same shop living in a small flat above it. Even though I could hardly believe it, at the end of the day I didn't know them well if enough to know if they were capable of scamming the post office or not. It's been closed ever since and I never saw them again.
Why she did not ask, these postmasters, pillars of their community have, overnight since the introduction of our new software started stealing money from us in their hundreds? One or two, maybe, but hundreds? She and her management team were and continue to be amateurs riding the public money grave train.
She and many others didn’t think that Alan Bates and the JFSA would continue to discover the truth. Very bad to u underestimate so many wronged SPMs. She’s now being lined up as the scapegoat and rightly so!
You can tell the sort of person she is by the delay in her replies, giving no answer in her 'answers'. The exact reason she got the job in the first place.
The heartbreaking thing is that no one is going to go to prison for this, and the sub postmasters aren’t likely to see any of their money back!! This enormous miscarriage of justice will go down in history! Shame on Paula Vennells, her team of minions, and Fujitsu!
She didn't "let anyone down" at all - she deliberately and maliciously sat and watched innocent people go to prison in order to save her own worthless skin. She MUST be prosecuted for her heinous crimes. Evil woman.
On the contrary., I think she should be loved and that no one is pure evil or beyond redemption. Most behaviours occur from pain and fear. Including your behaviour of throwing stones at her. It’s ok friend, you’re still lovable too.
@@patinho5589 So what is your connection to the VILE Vennells? "She should still be loved"?! Paula Vennells HAS BLOOD ON HER HANDS. "Corporate manslaughter". I see you, "@patinho5589".
The barristers at this enquiry did a great job breaking down the delusional denial and lies of this woman. Her twisted self-righteousness is blatently clear for all to see. Someone with no moral compass should not be a Reverand in a church, they should be in prison.
I am sorry I don't agree with you because she should be sent to prison for the rest of her lieing life she is a lier and a total barstards jail this scumbag.
@@Roy-gi5ul No she can't... In trying to save her own position she has thrown many many innocent people under the bus and caused them excruciating stress and harm. She should go to prison. This is a crime.
She wasn't crying when she buried the independent findings into the reliability of the Horizon system and decided instead to blame and destroy the lives of hundreds of Postmasters. She truly is the worst example of greed versus honesty that most people have ever experienced.
Absolutely unfit for the position. If she was so soft and weak then why didn't she sympathise with those the Post Office destroyed. Looks like sociopathic behaviour. Whoa me!!!
Ambitious, ruthless and careless seems apt. She was not curious how the Horizon system worked and seemingly not that bothered if it did not...what was important to her was fluttering eyelids at tory politicians and ignoring sub postmasters because they were inconvenient to her narrative. The sort of cockroach that pops up in almost every major management board where personal well being was far more respected then doing a good and competent job and where integrity and reliability were secondary even tertiary to personal growth. After she scuttled out of the PO when it became obvious it was a scandalous enterprise only magically reappearing in the cabinet office the same month she left the PO. A truly repugnant individual that thought she had found a home in the church and a church that reluctantly kicked her to the curb when it was revealed just what a failure and obnoxious individual she actually was, she was even more corrupt then they were.. It is true that many of the cretins she surrounded herself with at the PO were far worse human beings...it was a disaster in the making...and the SPM's paid the ultimate price...unfortunately that is something she will probably never have to do, cockroaches survive nuclear fallout you see, she has that DNA.
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 These people will throw you under a bus to further their personal objectives. Levels of sociopathy rise to near 25% in management from an article I read years ago. They plead for forgiveness because they have been caught not because they care.
Someone else pointed out that as she said she loved the Post Office, someone likely said, "So did I" or something to that effect, and for a moment, you could see her anger at being interrupted in such a manner...
That second shot is definitely going to become a meme. Unless we make an example of her (and those involved in the blood scandal) what's to stop people from doing this again, .. its worth the risk? She should get prison time and lose every asset she owns, with all the money going towards compensating those who lost
This irresponsible and reprehensible woman deserves to be in jail for a very long time. No-one believes the crocodile tears. Lock her up and throw away the keys ASAP.
"I let people down?" - You were directly responsible as Managing Director or CEO. You are either incompetent to a level of criminal negligence or you are lying about your motives and involvement. Either way you need to be held accountable, lose your pension, and frankly be sent to jail. The SPMs weren't allowed to apologise and walk away from this, and neither should you.
People are in prison for hurty words and cheeky stickers. This clown stood by watching other postmasters comit suicide at the fear of prison and being branded as a theif. Knowing all along it was a fujtsu software error. Prison is the only fitting punishment and loosing that big pension as well
At 10:12 her mask slips. Only for a split second.... Her initial reaction is of disdain that someone is calling her out. Then she remembers she needs to come across as humble and contrite.
@mra3149 Not sure, but Rev Vennells was bleating on, saying "I loved the post office. I think the audience member said "So did I". That's when Rev Vennells turned to snarl before remembering that she was acting out the sad innocent role.
She loved the post office but was happy to let those poor post masters suffer such horrific injustices. The suffering they went through is absolutely shocking and she and whoever else was responsible needs to go to jail for a long time. The post office owes those post masters more than a million in compensation each.
Her only motivation was to keep raking in the money to fund her lavish life style, She should be paying back the money out of her Post office salary to those poor sub post office workers who were criminalised, imprisoned, and who lost their lives because of this scandal. So, her husband advised her as to what word she should for "bugs", that makes him complicit, what else did he advise her on regarding the Post office scandal?? Jail them!!
Such a pathetic person. Elevated to a level of management they should never have been awarded. I support IT systems that manage the housing stock of a local authority. It manages tenancies and rents as well as repairs, temporary accommodation and so much more. If we get a sniff of an issue with a single customers records or data in our system or whole subsets of our system we are on it like a rash. Our software supplier hates us because we have our own knowledge sets and methods of fixing IT Defects or issues such that we can hold them to account for resolving them and in a timely manner. This is mismanagement plain and simple and incompetence of the highest order. This person doesn’t have a heart. They had no drive or determination to fix these IT issues that have ruined countless lives.
Good post. I was in a parallel position to folks like you in housing management (I looked after some services for vulnerable people) and it was the same. Our software supplier _constantly_ blamed others or us for their own failings and luckily my colleagues knew their tenants, suppliers and electricians etc intimately so they could never wriggle out of stuff. IT people often try and blind you with techno babble. If you’re on top of your role it doesn’t work. She clearly wansnt or didn’t care. I suspect the latter
@@mhoppy6639 thank you for your reply. You’re spot on. Regardless of the category of issue if people aren’t willing to do the checks and balances needed to do right by our customers then it’s dereliction of duty.
Your comment is splendid-I don’t think I’ve read one as good anywhere-and very much needed because it really highlights just how and to what degree those running the Post Office were willfully and woefully incompetent. I would just say that, rather than having no drive or determination to fix the IT issues, these Post Office officials were guided by incentives, e.g., to preserve their own positions and the “reputation” of the organization, among others, that ran counter to the interests of the subpostmasters and that of the public. It was _at best_ reckless disregard. Their sheer lack of integrity and human decency makes them nothing short of moral monsters, in my view.
Lets translate her comments, ' I was motivated by ambition and greed,' then the tears, ' People dont understand that top public schools cost an sbsolute fortune, Luke and Edward both deserve the best!'
How can she look at herself in the mirror. The buck stops with her She knew what she was doing .To quote her she loved the post office above justice to anyone working for it
How about all the Managers responsible having to donate a percentage of their wealth to the victims? Pie in the sky, I know. She could not care less, truth be known.
So what, she cried for 2 minutes, innocent people have been crying for 20 years, along with loosing their house & being shunned from society. What's bigger is why it is only getting acted on because of a soap opera.
On your bike Vennells! You have been found wanting and no amount of tears will wash that away. Those two lawyers are certainly not holding back in letting her know the total incompetent she was. What's the betting she moves abroad when it's all over?
They’ll take the massive pay cheques, and the huge pensions with all that authority, but when it comes down to the *responsibility*, they fake crying… this woman should be in prison, just under Manslaughter Charges for the deaths through this debacle.
She pretends to cry! She loved the Post Office! Just not enough to care about the people in the the actual Post Offices! She is a liar and must be held accountable, chances of that happening zero. Jail for her!!!!!
A typical person in a high position She showed complete compassion and took difficult decisions daily to jail innocent people. It wasn't me, it was someone else. I'm just in charge Ita unacceptable now but at the time he was fair game
Take all the money from her and help to reimburse the loss of the sub- postmasters and then find money from what's left and the other POL mob to try to compensate them. Don't think there will be enough, though. But take as much as possible even if it means them living on the street. And the ministers as well.
PV asked for background info on the mental health of a complainant who killed himself. How was she intending to pursue this? Data theft, burglary, bribery of officials, phone hacking? Sounds illegal.
It begs the question - What’s she covering up in her present job? Could you imagine if she was embroiled in an NHS scandal too. I’d have thought she was the last thing the NHS needs…
Kept on asking for the questions to be repeated, knowing full well that they were only given an hour to question her. Desperately trying to hide the truth that she deliberately ensured that the post office staff would be prosecuted and punished, whilst knowing that they were innocent. And all of that to just keep her job 🤬
THIS IS A CLEVER CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE JAILED LIKE SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR JAILING POST MASTERS THROUGH LIES AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS BY HER AND HER CORRUPT FRIENDS
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She's not sorry it happened. She's sorry she got caught its that simple
every one knows this
@andydudley1775 good they should
She's like Theresa May. "I love the country" ... starts crying.
What about the ordinary people in the country who are struggling to feed their kids, or get a hospital appointment while you and your chums are getting rich? (cries some more for herself)
Yup. Hateful. Take her to the stocks.
Things are rarely that simple, though she's definitely at fault here.
Paula Vennells will not go to prison. Fujitsu is still earning billions of dollars a year from the UK government. Where is the justice for the citizens who went to prison?
Fujitsu are as guilty as she is.
@@shirleywarner2794 True. Since it was their system that was defective and they couldn't fix it or detect the flaws why hasn't the UK government cut ties with them?
The Greedy Snivelling Corrupt British Government Haven't cut ties with Them for The Simple Reason MONEY To Meny back Handers Exchanging Hands.
La-La land from beginning to end. Why no double-entry accounting? A legal trial-like event is not the way to debug a complex software system. It's akin to searching for a needle in the middle of the proverbial hayrick during the night. There is no mention of how the standard TCP/IP has no intrinsic method to prevent intrusion. IMHO this debacle has amply demonstrated that it is impossible to achieve anything approachimg fair justice when the legal protagonists have little or no professional knowledge about the functioning of possible causes of the apparent abstraction of cash from the clients accounts. For Justice to be done all the sub-postmasters need to have their overall situations fully restored to the status they enjoyed before this pile of incompetent software was imposed on them.
I hope Fujitsu are going to be removed from the list of approved suppliers of computer equipment and software to the
United Kingdom government and Quangos.
Finally:- Remember the addage about the letters I. B. and M they stand in for the phrase:-
"It's Better Manually".
In this particular situation it is particularly true.
may be people should not voted tory in the last election
She's crying for herself, not for the victims. For years, she enjoyed all the money, the titles and the prestige that came with her job with not a single thought to the victims. Duplicitous charlatan.
Praise the Lord!
And pass the Kleenex
@leeviper1584COE backed by Justin Welby
@leeviper1584 laundering her conscience
Correct
If non of them go to jail the british public should ignore complying with the law
She should be jailed, made to return all her bonuses and banned from holding a directorship as a minimum. How she imagines her tacky performance will somehow exonerate her only goes to demonstrate her narcissistic personality.
What about that ultra tasty pension she’s going to be living the high life with?!
A typical narcissist she still believes she did nothing wrong.
Yes and the establishment attracts them like flies round a cow pat.
She knows she has fucked up, she is just refusing to take accountability. It was them... She was happy enough to take the bonuses though.
Well said
Yep, reminds me of a certain Tony Blair and his fictional WMD’s
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She loved the Post Office, but couldn't give a shit about the people who worked for it, and was happy to see 10s or 100s sent to prison. What a hypocrite!!
Have you ever heard her quite a bible verse? She’s the first Christian I’ve ever seen that doesn’t speak with the authority of the Lord.
She loved the money 💰
Hypocrisy seems to come quite easily to Christians?
@@mrlawilliamsukwarmachine4904The verse that springs to mind is “get away you workers of lawlessness.” To think Justin Welby had her in mind to become the Bishop of London. They have one quality in common, they both lack compassion for innocent people who have been abused,
That woman needs to go to jail for what she has done..
Absolutely. A spell in prison would give her time to recollect all she can’t remember.
Wat she did
It was a nefarious scheme
@@joycevento4026 wdym
@@joycevento4026 nefarious mean
The great british tradition of protecting the wealthy and powerful. Have an enquiry, get them to say "sorry!" and then allow them to retire and enjoy their millions. This country is still stuck in a medieval attitude towards class.
Don't forget that in addition to saying sorry, it's also obligatory for her to say that 'Lessons have been learned' so that we will all feel better.
Yes The Worn out words These Scumbag use When They get Caught -: GRAVE ERROR OF JUDGMENT, IVE DONE NO WRONG DOING, I APOLOGISE UNRESERVEDLY, Sick of These BASTARDS.
Correct nigel.
It's not just Britain. The world is classist
You've only got to look at Buckingham Palace. They live in the 12th. Century.
More than 900 convictions and she's talking like 1 or 2 slipped through the net.
And she called it letting them down. Rather than destroying their lives and causing deaths. She tried to minimise their suffering. The women is despicable. She also wanted to dig up dirt on the man who walked in front of the bus by suggesting he had mental health issues. Rather than the issue he had with the PO. She also made sure she personally dealt with the PO guy who was also a Magistrate. She needs jailed for a very long time and should lose everything as they poor innocent people did. I was so angry watching all her evidence.
@@audreymcgready4329She is very good with the word salads .
She is a big time Liar by doing everything possible to carry out her mission - expansion of 30,000 Post Offices. How was she allowed to do so without any supervision needed and get away with it since the time the first report of the problem with the Horizon system? For 25 years, she destroyed the lives of subpostmasters’ and their families. How can any human being live with that kind of selfishness and greed? 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Her lackey called the convictions "lifestyle problems".
That's Humbug you preach compassion but you don't practice it....
The Archbishop of Canterbury wanted to appoint this woman to be Bishop of London. What does that say about his judgement?
Cut From the same cloth obviously
That he's good at choosing people who are good at hiding evil secrets.
She does a nearly perfect job of being the perfect, well spoken British upper class lady (though not quite). I can see a lot of people buying into her. A people-pleaser and evader of confrontation -- most people like that are liked by others because they don't rock the boat.
for “I loved the post office” read “I loved the money the post office used to pay me”.
Plus the BONUS!
"I loved the Post Office. Hated the Postmasters, though"
Which in 2018 was £718,300 which equates to £59,858 per month. That is absolutely obscene. My cat could’ve done a better job than she did. And for less pay.
We PAID her
"You didn't care how many lives you destroyed as long as it protected the post office."
"I loved the post office."
So I guess that's a "yes".
Edward Henry KC is so on the ball and direct at batting away lies that he should get a knighthood for exposing the evil she really is.
I watched and heard the whole thing. She is a liar and she knew what she was doing. She was up to her neck in it. She needs to be going to prison for a very long time. People have died too. She cared about no one but herself and keeping the PO out of the news. She tried to blame them. She even tried to say the man that walked in front of the bus had probably previously maybe have mental health issues. She looked to blame him too. Despicable nasty women tried to hide behind the church too.
Well said
Agree
And then had the gall to stand up each Sunday and preach to others. WTF
She's worse than 'Despicable and Nasty' The word 'Evil' barely covers her behaviour..
This lawyer is amazing how he cleverly and tactically exposes their lies… he’s a brilliant lawyer and I love how he leads them in to traps and it’s good watching these criminals squirm and trying to lie their way out of it, and not answering questions properly, coincidentally forgetting and unable to recall key details… I like how he then calls them out and makes them look like the lying bullies they are… people lost their lives and took their lives because they couldn’t live with the shame being branded a criminal, people got convicted and lost their freedom, jobs, their family names humiliated… while these narcissistic gangsters in higher management were profiting and trying to protect the PO name… I hope these criminals get jailed for very long sentences for the harm they have done.
Stop saying she cried. She didnt. No tears. FAKE CRYING!!
We take what we can get. Cos she won't see the inside of a jail...
Crocodile tears aren't they
Dry cry 😂🤣😭
And only for herself...not for the victims.
She's had a year to practice for this. Coached like all the other POL witnesses.
a decade ten years to perfect it .
By political associates, no less. Telling that she uses "I've been very clear..."
Don't uderestimate how HARD it is for her to cry on command. Took her a very long time to find a tear.
Well prepared, coached and rehearsed.
I have a grand total of 0 sympathy for this foul woman. She should be locked up for what she did.
She didn't let them down. She destroyed their lives. How dare she belittle what she did. to all those people. I detest this women and i don't even know her. But this is unforgivable. Utter tripe out of her. Blah blah blah. In tears because she thought she had gotten away with it all. And she is now sitting there.
💯 she's destroyed countless lives and families... she's despicable
Well stated. I thought the same thing about how Vennells MINIMIZES what was done by Post Office to the Sub-postmasters ... and the real-life repercussions for all the Subs.
It’s easy to draw in the moustache and dye her hair black.
In some cases, she literally destroyed lives, the suicides.
@Babblebabble87 exactly if it was possible I'd hold her accountable for them to.. I mean the money is one thing but innocent people who felt they no other choice but to end their life... that's disgusting
Thank you, Mr Henry, for holding this awful woman's feet to the fire, and not letting her off the hook. She could win an Osdcar for her performance. And you can be damned sure she will be jetting off on holiday, as soon as her "ordeal" here is over. She had and has NO compassion for the poor people she screwed into the the ground
'Mrs Vennells, you preach compassion but you don't practise it'. BRILLIANT!!! (Twice edited due to typo)
Practice
Okay 👌 spelling nazi
@@stewartlancaster6155 Thanks for the heads up!
I’m not sure what you wrote originally.
But just to note:
practice = noun
practise = verb
You should write
“You don’t practise it”
The c vs s spelling is a common noun/verb distinction.
some advice, to advise
a licence, to license
If you ever forget, just think of how advice/advise are spelled, because the pronunciations are different.
If you wrote “practise” the first time, you were correct
What does it say about the Church of England that she was thought suitable for Bishop for London?
Everything.
She was going be a bishop this a joke
Despicable woman who will probably be allowed to keep all her money and walk away with a slap on the wrist, leaving a trail of destroyed lives in her wake. She should be getting at least 10 years for what she's done.
People have died because of what she did. She deserves life in prison.
She is part of the establishment and will not be punished to any great extent 😢
1 month for each wrongful conviction plus 20 years for each death.
@@partariothe5th To be served consecutively.
Nah give her 50years, she's got blood on her hands, people literally commited suicide because of her. Nothing but a power-hungry narcissist.
Now that she's been caught & highlighted for what seems so many years it's been swept under the carpet for I hope she gets what she deserves.
My parents were sub postmasters in Essex in the 60’s until the 80’s and this problem could easily have happened to them. With so many of them coming forward with the same issue, how could they have been ignored?
realistically she should have said "my only motivation was for myself and my bank account" she is a vulgar person and I really hope charges are brought to all who oversaw this despicable failure.
the vicar of marmon.
Over 900 of her employees were prosecuted for serious offences, and she didn't PERSONALLY look into it? What total dereliction of duty!
Yes, the clue in all of this is the extraordinary number of post masters prosecuted within this cohort intake. She was just not up to the job......!
@woodenseagull1899 I’d say criminally negligent at her job
I shirked as hard as I could
@@woodenseagull1899 She was more than just incompetent, she didn’t care. Many of us have been in work situations where we felt unprepared for something. The big big difference is when you 1) recognize that you are in over your head and 2) you get the proper assistance to help you see it through.
Strictly speaking, they weren't employees but contractors, what we would call 1099 in the US. What colors her attitude, I believe, is that SPMs have always been considered underlings, not really "gentlemen," and she was too busy catering to the upper crust, i.e. the Tory government. Seeing the SPMs as human beings with equal rights to her was not uppermost in her mind, and that is what led to her downfall and the downfall of the Post Office.
What a horrible, evil woman. She has to be imprisoned for a long time. 🙏🏻
She tries to portray herself as an innocent, wide-eyed incompetent little waif. She didn't become CEO of the Post Office by being all that. She is an insincere, malicious, vindictive, over-entitled monster.
No chance
there may be no chance, but but,BUT, she will never be a pious hypocrite in public again?😮😮😮
she will go to her grave knowing she has been exposed for the total hypocrite that she is😮😮
Bloody too late to start crying.
This should be done in a court of law with a judge and jury. And then she would get the sentence she deserves!!!!
Private Eye exposed the Horizon scandal over a decade ago-it WAS known about, but even if you accept Vennells lie that "She knew nothing about it" surely that BEGS the question "Then what on earth was the point of you as CEO at all if you're clueless about what goes on in the company you're hugely renumerated to be in control of?" Proof that most companies-particularly public/ex public owned ones, don't need these stuffed shirts at all.
I doubt if not knowing something is a credible let out for being responsible for it if you are in her position?
She should be charged and stand trial and go to jail
Her lock up fast
How was she ordained as a Priest!?! What a horrible careerist woman. She has 4 people who actually took own lives on her conscience & ruined other peoples' reputation.
Churches are full of predators
Don't be fooled into thinking that all religious folk are nice people. In fact it's wise to be extra cautious when dealing with sky daddy worshippers
She really does not care about those people.
Like Tony Blair, thousands of deaths on his conscience, but he no doubt sleeps soundly at night with his smug grin.
These types of people truly do not care about others .
*Looks at catholic church*
Yeah no, no priests have ever been less than morally upstanding, not a clue how someone once in a religious institution ended up ruining the lives of innocent people surely nothing like this has ever happened in the history of christianity...
@@ProffAndy Brilliant, loved the 'Sky daddy worshipers' bit. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
How on earth is this person in charge of ANYTHING?
Mrs potato head, but many heads of companies are the same , they get there by knowing others just like them.
She’s a Tory I bet
Not fit to be in charge of the local public toilet.
Too many like her in business, and they always get away with it. The people who actually do the work get shat on.....
No different to as it was in the 1800s and earlier .
White collar crime she’ll get a fine that’s it. And then go back to her good life 🤷🏾♂️
You are spot on, it's a horrible world today
Everyone for themselves, the ones at the bottom actually do the work those at the top do very very little yet get massive pay. Why oh why does this keep happening
Anything less than jail for her will be an injustice.
Crocodile tears, only sorry for herself & her absolute humiliation, she deserves to be charged, taken to court & suffer the consequences!
I hope that all these Post Office officials involved will face legal charges after this fiasco.😡
And Fujitsu!
I wouldn't hold my breath. These people will walk out, and everything will be forgotten. That's British justice for you.
Including Ed Davey, the Liberal Party Leader who was the minister for Post Offices at the time.
like most wrongdoers, The apologies and tears only came into being once they were found out. The evidence smacks of a cover up from the investigators and lawyers all the way up to the execs. Lives lost and ruined. Heads MUST roll.
Vile and shameless. She should be in prison.
Destroying peoples lives,surely she should be jailed.
Jo Hamilton is one the heroes throughout this whole inquiry. She has not been allowed to ask her own questions, but her presence and looking at the witnesses has spoken a million words
Good for Joe big respect
100%
No doubt her questions and those of others have been brought up by their KCs.
@@shirleywarner2794 I'm sure of it Shirley. I've watched it all.
Jo Hamilton should get a cbe
Time for the rich to start being dealt peasant sentences.
The old "If I cry enough, they'll go easy on me" routine......sprinkled (as usual) with the obligatory "I don't recall" or two...... "I loved the Post Office" (especially the salary and benefits as the CEO ) I wonder what odds Ladbrokes would offer on there being a straight and honest answer to *any* question asked? Who would *ever* have thought a TV drama would have this much clout?
I watched the drama in New Zealand 🇳🇿 having worked for the Post Office (my first employment after finishing education) this made my blood boil. Vennells and Fujitsu are both equally guilty. She says information wasn't given to her - why not? So many questions and not all answered because quite conveniently, she cannot recall. A very selective memory she has.
This lawyer is absolutely amazing how he just cleverly and tactically exposes their lies… he’s a brilliant lawyer and I love how he leads them in to traps and it’s good watching these criminals squirm and trying to lie their way out of it, and not answering questions properly, coincidentally forgetting and unable to recall key details… I like how he then calls them out and makes them look like the lying bullies they are… people lost their lives and took their lives because they couldn’t live with the shame being branded a criminal, people got convicted and lost their freedom, jobs, their family names humiliated… while these narcissistic gangsters in higher management were profiting… I hope these criminals get jailed for very long sentences for the harm they have done. Those poor families.
Lock up her and anyone else involved. She knew exactly what she doing and what was going on. Offering bonuses to her underhanded henchman for every conviction they got! What makes it even worse if that's actually possible? She was once an Anglican priest ffs! Just sums up the churches caring nature in one fell swoop as well? She was in charge and top jobs with the top money carry consequences. Remove the £3 million bonus She received and put that straight in the compensation pot. Pregnant post master imprisoned. Eviction. Bankruptcy. Prison Sentences. INNOCENT people taking their own life's over it. This whole thing is truly disgusting beyond belief and heads must roll!!
I hope her colleagues, who she is throwing under the bus, has emails and texts informing her of the bugs in the system, for which she says she wasn't told of
This was of course a few years ago but I remember going to our local post office one day only to find that it had been raided by the police and closed down with the post master and his wife being taken away by the police. They'd been there for at least 20 years in the same shop living in a small flat above it. Even though I could hardly believe it, at the end of the day I didn't know them well if enough to know if they were capable of scamming the post office or not.
It's been closed ever since and I never saw them again.
I think you can safely presume them to be innocent.
Why she did not ask, these postmasters, pillars of their community have, overnight since the introduction of our new software started stealing money from us in their hundreds? One or two, maybe, but hundreds?
She and her management team were and continue to be amateurs riding the public money grave train.
YEAH YEAH YEAH, and then she dried her eyes and went home to her lovely house.
She and many others didn’t think that Alan Bates and the JFSA would continue to discover the truth. Very bad to u underestimate so many wronged SPMs. She’s now being lined up as the scapegoat and rightly so!
You can tell the sort of person she is by the delay in her replies, giving no answer in her 'answers'. The exact reason she got the job in the first place.
The heartbreaking thing is that no one is going to go to prison for this, and the sub postmasters aren’t likely to see any of their money back!! This enormous miscarriage of justice will go down in history! Shame on Paula Vennells, her team of minions, and Fujitsu!
She didn't "let anyone down" at all - she deliberately and maliciously sat and watched innocent people go to prison in order to save her own worthless skin. She MUST be prosecuted for her heinous crimes. Evil woman.
On the contrary., I think she should be loved and that no one is pure evil or beyond redemption. Most behaviours occur from pain and fear.
Including your behaviour of throwing stones at her. It’s ok friend, you’re still lovable too.
Redemption only follows justice. She MUST be prosecuted for her crimes.
@@patinho5589Patty don't share your opinion!
@@patinho5589 what a moronic statement to make, she IS evil
@@patinho5589 So what is your connection to the VILE Vennells?
"She should still be loved"?! Paula Vennells HAS BLOOD ON HER HANDS. "Corporate manslaughter".
I see you, "@patinho5589".
The barristers at this enquiry did a great job breaking down the delusional denial and lies of this woman. Her twisted self-righteousness is blatently clear for all to see. Someone with no moral compass should not be a Reverand in a church, they should be in prison.
She such liar she should be prosecuted!!!
She’s not crying……just screwing her face up when an awkward question comes up.
The buck stops with her.
6 years minimum.
I think it will be viewed ( wrongly) as corporate responsibility,
I am sorry I don't agree with you because she should be sent to prison for the rest of her lieing life she is a lier and a total barstards jail this scumbag.
There's no accountability these days. Reward for failure.
There's still a good chance she'll just walk away from this disaster.
It'll be paid off with £250,000 a year for life 🙄🤬
Sitting with no shame regardless of the fact people have taken their own lives because of what she did
You worked hard to charge all those people with theft.
At the peak of her time at the Post Office, she was making more than £700,000 per year and this case is a form of performance review of her time.
She should give back the money she has been paid ..
Not only, but a sentence for sure too. And give back not only what she's earned but also all family assets in the UK and abroad.
That is ONE of the possibilities that have been discussed. Vennells having to repay the 4 MILLION PLUS in BONUSES she received from Post Office Ltd.
She CAN'T give back the lives of those poor individuals who felt pressured to take their own lives!
@@Roy-gi5ul No she can't... In trying to save her own position she has thrown many many innocent people under the bus and caused them excruciating stress and harm. She should go to prison. This is a crime.
She wasn't crying when she buried the independent findings into the reliability of the Horizon system and decided instead to blame and destroy the lives of hundreds of Postmasters.
She truly is the worst example of greed versus honesty that most people have ever experienced.
Absolutely unfit for the position. If she was so soft and weak then why didn't she sympathise with those the Post Office destroyed. Looks like sociopathic behaviour. Whoa me!!!
Ambitious, ruthless and careless seems apt.
She was not curious how the Horizon system worked and seemingly not that bothered if it did not...what was important to her was fluttering eyelids at tory politicians and ignoring sub postmasters because they were inconvenient to her narrative.
The sort of cockroach that pops up in almost every major management board where personal well being was far more respected then doing a good and competent job and where integrity and reliability were secondary even tertiary to personal growth.
After she scuttled out of the PO when it became obvious it was a scandalous enterprise only magically reappearing in the cabinet office the same month she left the PO.
A truly repugnant individual that thought she had found a home in the church and a church that reluctantly kicked her to the curb when it was revealed just what a failure and obnoxious individual she actually was, she was even more corrupt then they were..
It is true that many of the cretins she surrounded herself with at the PO were far worse human beings...it was a disaster in the making...and the SPM's paid the ultimate price...unfortunately that is something she will probably never have to do, cockroaches survive nuclear fallout you see, she has that DNA.
She's arrogant and highly ambitious. She should never have been given the job.
*Woe (I think that's the word you were after anyway)
@@DeShark88🏅 You're right...
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 These people will throw you under a bus to further their personal objectives. Levels of sociopathy rise to near 25% in management from an article I read years ago. They plead for forgiveness because they have been caught not because they care.
They certainly are not appointing CEOs of the best moral quality lately.
The tears are for herself not for regret at the harm she allowed to happen on her watch.
Agreed, self pity cos she has been found out
How would you watch innocent people go to prison and then have the bare face to pretend to cry. This is what you would call a career criminal.
Someone else pointed out that as she said she loved the Post Office, someone likely said, "So did I" or something to that effect, and for a moment, you could see her anger at being interrupted in such a manner...
"I Loved the post office" lol yeah i bet she did, flying all over the world earning millions of pounds in wages
"earning"
She knows more !!
She needs to go to jail for ten years to set a precedent and warning to ALL chief executives!!!!
25 years hard labour
@@Goozo612Gallows
That second shot is definitely going to become a meme.
Unless we make an example of her (and those involved in the blood scandal) what's to stop people from doing this again, .. its worth the risk? She should get prison time and lose every asset she owns, with all the money going towards compensating those who lost
This irresponsible and reprehensible woman deserves to be in jail for a very long time.
No-one believes the crocodile tears.
Lock her up and throw away the keys ASAP.
"I let people down?" - You were directly responsible as Managing Director or CEO. You are either incompetent to a level of criminal negligence or you are lying about your motives and involvement. Either way you need to be held accountable, lose your pension, and frankly be sent to jail. The SPMs weren't allowed to apologise and walk away from this, and neither should you.
Crocodiles are like "don't bring us in to your sordid works, don't use our tears, we don't cry them in vain"
People are in prison for hurty words and cheeky stickers. This clown stood by watching other postmasters comit suicide at the fear of prison and being branded as a theif. Knowing all along it was a fujtsu software error. Prison is the only fitting punishment and loosing that big pension as well
Well said mate
If this woman doesn´t end up in jail, it would give a serious blow to the credibility of the UK justice system.
Return all the bonuses too???? The ££££££££££££££££ she received!!!!!!
At 10:12 her mask slips. Only for a split second.... Her initial reaction is of disdain that someone is calling her out. Then she remembers she needs to come across as humble and contrite.
Well spotted. An interesting little moment actually there, lots of micro expressions in a split second.
I noticed that on the TV coverage. He face said, "How dare you interrupt me, you pleb."
Does anyone know what they said as it's not very clear on background audio?
@mra3149 Not sure, but Rev Vennells was bleating on, saying "I loved the post office. I think the audience member said "So did I". That's when Rev Vennells turned to snarl before remembering that she was acting out the sad innocent role.
@@mra3149He said I've got a ventriloquist dummy from Guantanamo Bay piñata store 🏪🧑🏻🦰🧎🏼♀️
She loved the post office but was happy to let those poor post masters suffer such horrific injustices. The suffering they went through is absolutely shocking and she and whoever else was responsible needs to go to jail for a long time. The post office owes those post masters more than a million in compensation each.
She should be in jail as we would
Do not pass 'go '
do not collect your 3mill bonus
Her only motivation was to keep raking in the money to fund her lavish life style, She should be paying back the money out of her Post office salary to those poor sub post office workers who were criminalised, imprisoned, and who lost their lives because of this scandal. So, her husband advised her as to what word she should for "bugs", that makes him complicit, what else did he advise her on regarding the Post office scandal?? Jail them!!
Such a pathetic person. Elevated to a level of management they should never have been awarded. I support IT systems that manage the housing stock of a local authority. It manages tenancies and rents as well as repairs, temporary accommodation and so much more. If we get a sniff of an issue with a single customers records or data in our system or whole subsets of our system we are on it like a rash. Our software supplier hates us because we have our own knowledge sets and methods of fixing IT Defects or issues such that we can hold them to account for resolving them and in a timely manner. This is mismanagement plain and simple and incompetence of the highest order. This person doesn’t have a heart. They had no drive or determination to fix these IT issues that have ruined countless lives.
Good post. I was in a parallel position to folks like you in housing management (I looked after some services for vulnerable people) and it was the same. Our software supplier _constantly_ blamed others or us for their own failings and luckily my colleagues knew their tenants, suppliers and electricians etc intimately so they could never wriggle out of stuff. IT people often try and blind you with techno babble. If you’re on top of your role it doesn’t work. She clearly wansnt or didn’t care. I suspect the latter
@@mhoppy6639 thank you for your reply. You’re spot on. Regardless of the category of issue if people aren’t willing to do the checks and balances needed to do right by our customers then it’s dereliction of duty.
Your comment is splendid-I don’t think I’ve read one as good anywhere-and very much needed because it really highlights just how and to what degree those running the Post Office were willfully and woefully incompetent.
I would just say that, rather than having no drive or determination to fix the IT issues, these Post Office officials were guided by incentives, e.g., to preserve their own positions and the “reputation” of the organization, among others, that ran counter to the interests of the subpostmasters and that of the public. It was _at best_ reckless disregard. Their sheer lack of integrity and human decency makes them nothing short of moral monsters, in my view.
@@jeff__w thanks Jeff. I think your reply is spot on regarding self preservation. Which makes it even worse doesn’t it!
@@TheBurdenOfHope My pleasure! It does-which is partly why I mentioned it. ☺️
Even Mr Crocodile is going, "now thats a fuckin tear!"... ..
Lets translate her comments, ' I was motivated by ambition and greed,' then the tears, ' People dont understand that top public schools cost an sbsolute fortune, Luke and Edward both deserve the best!'
How can she look at herself in the mirror. The buck stops with her She knew what she was doing .To quote her she loved the post office above justice to anyone working for it
Someone else made me laugh when they said, " Crying without tears is just pulling a face, luv."
Crocodile tears from a woman who knows she is guilty as charged....
How about all the Managers responsible having to donate a percentage of their wealth to the victims? Pie in the sky, I know. She could not care less, truth be known.
All the senior people responsible for this should all serve the combined total of sentences served by those now exonerated.
@@LlewStDavid and pay damages out of their wages to the victims
So what, she cried for 2 minutes, innocent people have been crying for 20 years, along with loosing their house & being shunned from society.
What's bigger is why it is only getting acted on because of a soap opera.
On your bike Vennells! You have been found wanting and no amount of tears will wash that away.
Those two lawyers are certainly not holding back in letting her know the total incompetent she was.
What's the betting she moves abroad when it's all over?
They’ll take the massive pay cheques, and the huge pensions with all that authority, but when it comes down to the *responsibility*, they fake crying… this woman should be in prison, just under Manslaughter Charges for the deaths through this debacle.
Prison!
She pretends to cry!
She loved the Post Office!
Just not enough to care about the people in the the actual Post Offices!
She is a liar and must be held accountable, chances of that happening zero.
Jail for her!!!!!
A typical person in a high position
She showed complete compassion and took difficult decisions daily to jail innocent people.
It wasn't me, it was someone else. I'm just in charge
Ita unacceptable now but at the time he was fair game
Well put
She behaves as a highly intelligent sociopath under questioning.
She must have had the image of prison bars flash before her eyes.
They will probably give her a friendly judge who will retire straight after ,
Take all the money from her and help to reimburse the loss of the sub- postmasters and then find money from what's left and the other POL mob to try to compensate them. Don't think there will be enough, though. But take as much as possible even if it means them living on the street. And the ministers as well.
She trousered about five and a half million quid during her time at the post office.
PV asked for background info on the mental health of a complainant who killed himself. How was she intending to pursue this? Data theft, burglary, bribery of officials, phone hacking? Sounds illegal.
Can she sink any lower?
All those decent people suddenly go rogue when a new system is installed! How easy would it have been to create a mock post office and test it.
She cried but not for all those convicted but for herself.
It begs the question - What’s she covering up in her present job?
Could you imagine if she was embroiled in an NHS scandal too.
I’d have thought she was the last thing the NHS needs…
Kept on asking for the questions to be repeated, knowing full well that they were only given an hour to question her.
Desperately trying to hide the truth that she deliberately ensured that the post office staff would be prosecuted and punished, whilst knowing that they were innocent.
And all of that to just keep her job 🤬
THIS IS A CLEVER CRIMINAL AND SHOULD BE JAILED LIKE SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR JAILING POST MASTERS THROUGH LIES AND CRIMINAL ACTIONS BY HER AND HER CORRUPT FRIENDS
There are mob bosses with less on their conscience than this incredible worm of a person
To think she will get to keep her pension 😳