@@HonestMan112 that doesn't make sense, many of the Postmasters are Asian. My Nan says the good ol days were when the local postmaster helped with village hall Bingo on a Saturday night and all the shops were closed on Sunday. Church bells woke us up at 10am and everyone dressed smart.
Paula Vennals needs to be charged with conspiracy, perjury, and perverting the course of justice. Her sentence should be as long as all those who have served jail time consecutively.
I need someone to explain to me how it is possible that Vennells and the other board members are not the subjects of a live criminal investigation. There is more than enough evidence, why the inaction?
Vennels is an ordained Anglican priest and was (until 2021) a member of the Church of England's Ethical Investment Advisory Group. So much for "values"
Been following this from afar since it popped in my feed one day. Occurs to me that if Fujitsu employees were able to change figures on subpostmasters’ live accounts WITH NO AUDIT RECORD, what was to stop them moving money into a collaborator’s account and splitting the money? They could even hide the transfers afterwards. Or how hard would it be to send themselves postal orders or something? Needs to be thorough investigation as to where all this money went, too. Senior managers who knew of the possibility but kept prosecuting anyway need to go to jail. Employees who shifted funds incorrectly need to go to jail. The fact this is still going on and the Post Office STILL isn’t compensating the victims in the face of already overwhelming evidence speaks to ongoing injustice.
Exactly my own thoughts ! Where did the money end up ??? was it a gang of IT/ Hitmen, ? were the gestapo investigators involved ?? Is this the source of the bonus??
@@GrahamLovattit ended up as bonuses to investigators for successful convictions and inflated bonuses to senior bosses. All self serving corruption at its core. All this and they are still free in society to enjoy their millions in bonuses....while we have petty thieves being locked up for shop lifting offences!
My God! Susan Crichton is a piece of work! She wanted to shut down all avenues for MPs to attempt to inquire into this scandal and make them 'go away'. This was whilst knowing that perfectly innocent people were being hounded, bankrupted, and imprisoned. She, Vennells, and the CEOs of both POL and Fujitsu were perfectly content with this as long as 'the brand' (and their own corruption) were treated as sacrosanct. Where are the Met Police in this? They've interviewed two people in four years! Where are the government? Sitting on their hands, playing for time, and doing nothing. Where are the mainstream media? Virtually silent, with the honourable exception of Channel 4. A firm called DPS Computing, which provided invaluable updates of the inquiry and the latest details of the scandal has been shamefully shut down by Google on wilfully manufactured 'evidence' with no right of appeal for another 90 days. Its revenue stream has been completely severed by Google, in direct contravention of its contract. Sinister actors are behind all this and they need to be identified, shamed, and roundly defeated. The implications of all this are HUGE for us all. Wake up! This is truly frightening stuff.
I reside outside the UK and via RUclips follow News from a round the world. I have both read about and watched the video drama on the Post Office 'scandal' and when you see News videos like this one, can I ask - "Why has the Tory Govt not got off knees and started asking questions - or it that to much to ask of 'Wishy Washy Rishi'? Also your final comment - I would place in front of you the Banking Scandal that Nigel Farage was caught in and the subsequent revelation that many other UK Citizens had suffered the same fate - again why has the Tory Govt not reviewed this - and the 'female' at the heart of the Banking scandal should have had her Knighthood revoked - or is that asking to much of 'wishy, washy Charles'? Sorry I read to much - Tom Bower wised me up on Charley. Keep up the good fight, but not is Scotland.
@robinlecomte1242 The Tories don't need to ask questions; they already know the answers. They're terrified of the truth being unearthed, though, because many leading Tories are implicated up to their testicles in the Post Office scandal. They either have direct personal links to Post Office CEOs at the heart of this matter or are linked to CEOs at Fujitsu, the company which produced the faulty Horizon computer system. Both companies have been complicit in lying by shamefully blaming subpostmasters for stealing money when it was the unfit-for-purpose Horizon system which actively created the alleged shortfall. The government has done nothing in the meantime to right the injustices which blight the entire affair except to mouth platitudes and instigate stalling tactics. During the past four months, the silence from the mainstream media has been deafening. The only honourable exceptions are DPS Computing (which Google, in contravention of its own contract, has stifled with egregious falsehoods as well as depriving it of its revenue stream) and Channel 4. All of this is happening in plain sight and innocent people are still awaiting justice after twenty years and more. Many of these have been bankrupted, suffered family break-ups, been hounded with false allegations, and been subjected to wrongful imprisonment via tainted evidence, perjury, and perversion of the course of justice. At least four suicides have been recorded. Immediate action is needed by government, judiciary, police, journalists, and media companies so that justice can finally be served and the guilty parties punished.
@@DerrickJenkins-s6c Many thanks for that information. I reside outside UK and since the promotion of the TV Series (which we have been able to watch) I have followed thru what printed data has arisen across RUclips. Know only to well how YT operates. But thank you, appreciate your response.
I just can't believe listening to Susan Crichton asking if there was a way to make the MPs go away. How heartless can you be, you are aware that there may be people in jail who shouldn't be there and you are asking how to shut the people up who are complaining about it. It beggars belief.
there's something sociopathic/ psychopathic about inflicting misery and pain on people when you don't need to and without a reason...Vennells was gaining pleasure from it, evil?
Crichton has already been up in front of the Enquiry. I would think with this additional evidence that she will be called again. I’m looking forward to seeing Vennels,getting questioned. I do hope it is Jason Beer who gets this job - he is very good at highlighting liars and shysters.
If you make a mistake in your job you're disciplined, possibly fired, possibly lose wages. If you're in the CEO class and you cost people their livelihoods, they end up in jail, in some cases their lives; you get a big fat paycheck, on the honours list and moved on to the next highly paid job. The problems in this country are that hard working people are continually screwed over by those in power.
It's the same worldwide, just over 4000 billionaires worldwide, and they are trying to put themselves in the a new class. Matter of time before people stop eating each other and turn to the fat piggys that are the billionaire class
I’m watching this and getting angrier by the second. Why aren’t Vennels and here senior executives being questioned by police? She personally received £2,000,000+ in performance related bonuses alone during the same time she was misleading parliament and sanctioning the continued wrongful prosecution of sub-postmasters. At the very least, her assets ought to be frozen and the question of corporate manslaughter charges seriously considered. 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬
bbc won't - they are very much the propaganda mouth piece of gov and are pro corruption and embargo. ch4 reporting has is own dirty laundry however. mention embargo and they won't say a thing, inline with gov policy. corruption.
Sorry, but all of this was known years ago. I knew pretty much everything that is being presented as "coming to light" now as far back as before covid without even having to dig for it. Channel 4 must have known all of this but chose, or were told and agreed, not to report it. They are as culpable as anybody else and are a disgrace. They are only reporting it now because, for some reason (I'll leave you to decide why) it's now being pushed to the fore where in the past it was actively ignored. Channel 4 are no white knights here.
If the Post Office would have defrauded wealthy investors, many would have faced charges and would have been prosecuted about a decade ago. The fact they ruined the lives of 'average,' hard working folk is a shocking reflection of UK politics and the justice system.
I don't understand, who was covertly changing the subpostmasters accounts, and why? Is the allegation that there were rogue Fujistu employees who were just randomly screwing with the figures? If so, why on earth would Post Office leadership not immediately call in the police instead of commencing a cover up?
There was a comment from neil marshall. IT people needs access to the data if there is a problem with the data. If there is a bug in the computer program resulting in wrong data. Some times the only way to fix the data is by going into the database and manually fix it. If that is the case, the sub postmaster should have been told.
@@skh5580 thank you. So the follow-up question is, are people concerned that IT went in and illegally changed the data when it didn't need changing? (And if so, why would they do that?) Or that IT failed to correct errors in the data when they should have done (e.g. errors initially generated by flaws in the system)? Or that IT did go in and change errors in the data when they should have done, but the data IT put in was wrongly calculated too?
@@davidloveday8473 Do not know. If sub post masters were not notify then most likely it was a cover up. The screw up figures were caused by the faulty software. The legit way of dealing with faulty software is admit the problem, fix it, test the solution, let the users know.
@@rick4580 People higher up in Fujitsu ie managers wouldn't have a clue how to use the remote access. Their managers get promoted based on politics and relationships, ability or experience in that particular field has absolutely nothing to oi with it.
@@michaelmcginley7930 She was shortlisted to three people for the post of Bishop of London. Don't you think she was used as a pawn by the deep state to do their criminal work? I see it as the most likely explanation. They found someone too stupid to realise what they were doing, so they just followed orders from above. This is why she has not been arrested when any ordinary person would be down the cop shop before you knew it.
I said some years back that this whole thing was an obvious travesty of justice. Of secondary importance, when it’s all over, it’s the public who are going to have to compensate the post masters. My son runs his own business and he has very recently been told by the PO that his parcel postage costs are to be tripled. We’re all going to suffer.
They did what lawyers like this get paid a fortune to do --- just make the problem go away. Then use skillfully crafted words to "Brief on a needs to know as little as possible" to skirt truth within the LAW. Justice means nothing to corporate lawyers -- just a word, not LAW. Destroyed lives mean less than nothing. Any legal action will take at least another 10 years to get to a court, if ever.
They should add up all the sentences passed down to the sub postmasters and divide them between those who instigated this scandal and make the liars serve every second the postmasters served in prison
To late our government have already issued a massive contract to Fujitsu to set up our digital operations Hart to imagine that lot being trusted to set up anything .
This continues to be the most abhorrent and tragic case of injustice. Not only have no prosecutions by the many perpetrators taken place but also virtually nothing has been repaid to those people who have been wronged. Injustice after injustice. Instead of spending £100's of millions finding out what went wrong pay out the PO subpostmasters. To top it off valid claims are being cut by 60% plus to dalay claims in the expectation that some will die and never see any payment. Cut this nonsense out now and make it a criminal offence to delay payment by the Directors (past and present) with personal fines and 5 years in prison.
Time now for the Met to act, to restore Public Faith, so that those responsible will be held to account. The Law Society should now also open an investigation against Susan Crichton to open the way for her to be Disbarred.
@@mogznwaz You should try working for them ! Incompetence and complete disinterest in doing things properly. A haven fir useless "political" managers to advance their careers.
Fantastic work, Channel 4 News. This should be the final nail in the Post Office management coffin... but will it? Accountability of senior people in the UK is a joke - that's for the little people.
As much as I want to see Vennells behind bars, lets not just let her take the fall for the whole thing. She had many cronies working away with her who are just as guilty. Van den Bogerd and Susan Crichton are two that immediately spring to mind, along with plenty more.
Justice is needed NOW. Sickening that all this evidence is in the public eye and yet no one responsible for this huge miscarriage of justice is behind bars. JUSTICE NOW.
This sad, sad saga goes beyond the Post Office senior management. It hits at the heart of the sense of entitlement that runs through most of the executive business community & political classes in the UK. They really just want the difficult problems of the 'little people' to "go away". There is little interest in fixing real problems, or creating genuine benefit, just in a pursuit of the trappings of power & prestige.
If senior post office executives, managers and lawyers, don't go to prison, where is the incentive for other such persons, in the future, to behave more ethically?
Some good news. They do and they will. This is pretty big stuff, and there's on top of it all. Perjury, which they can't seem to stop doing. And you're right, there's a culture that persists within those echelons, know better, we are better than the rest of the serfs. It's post feudal old gentry mode of thought. Some may call it arrogance. It's worse, it's callous disregard for the classes deemed unworthy. Now the sad part. It's so ingrained it is the fabric we live by and visit it upon those we deem lesser. We're too busy looking at the migrant, the other, the disabled, benefit scroungers, turning our frustration on them. Meanwhile, and we have just seen behind the curtain, this. Think: sewage, water, brexit, Grenfell, post office, blood, NHS, PPE... List is endless. Ethical, not in this or another lifetime. It is part of the institution.
The public enquiry should stopped and criminal case opened. The public know they were utterly contemptuous of sub post masters and the whole organisation needs to be locked up.
@tristamprice534 agreed. But the waste of public money seems somewhat wasteful now. These people are just crooks and need the same judgement (albeit just) as they imposed on others from their ivory tower.
You can't knowingly let people spend years in prison and have their lives ruined just to protect a corporate bottom line. That's disgusting. She needs prison time - especially if she's misled polie or a court decision.
well done, when you do actual journalism it's a net positive for humanity, please continue doing this with other stories that need investigating, you have 10+ years to catch up on.
most be do when they gone to court watch the farce and see .it only matters about how you say things not what realy taken place .written such a way only the realy rich get the right access too.
The rich cover up for one another. I remember one saying to me “Because you never know when it will happen to you.” The crime doesn’t even matter, they look after one another regardless. Saville, anyone?
What was the purpose of amending live accounts? They must have been given a reason for this, what was it? The idea that an accounts system has a back-door is just crazy. Why was there a covert operations team?
@@willie2761 Agreed that Fujitsu has culpability as well, but surely the onus was on the Post Office to hold its supplier's feet to the fire on matters that could affect the lives of its subpostmasters?
Why have they not all been arrested and put before the Crown Courts we cannot have Laws for one section of society and Laws for another section that will only lead to chaos.
Correct if they sre not arrested soon then i think we should all disregard the law when it comes to financial crimes.dont pay any debt etc.why should we obey the law when the rich and powerful get a get out of jail card
@@michaelmcginley7930 Those of us who have studied law understand the blue-eyed baby fallacy we know about the following statements made by England's top judges. People are forgetting our forefathers left us with Constitutions that are there to stop those entrusted with our good governance do not abuse the powers we the Sovereign people invest in them: Chief Justice of the Common Pleas William Beresford 1306-1326 ruled, “there is no such thing as a bad law for if it is bad it is not law”. Chief Justice Stonor of the Common Pleas 1329-1331 ruled, “law is that which is right”. Chief Justice Sir Edward Coke of the Kings Bench 1616-1628 ruled, “Parliament may pass a law which is beyond common right and reason, is repugnant or impossible to perform; in which case, the common law will intercede and strike it down”.
I can't believe that someone in charge could lie so much to the suffering of so many. This scandal killed innocent people and venebals is still trying to escape blame even after lying under oath!
So what could actually make you believe? More Tories running away with more millions die faulty PPE? More lies on more buses? You Islanders are such sheep.
Ministers are suggesting "Sanctions" I think most people would suggest investigated, charged, tried and if convicted sentenced appropriately. As for Post Office Investigators and anyone else involved in securing convictions ought to be subject to the same fate. I worked for an accounting software company for years. We had remote access to client systems but if anyone had asked for figures and balances to be adjusted our response would have been NO!
As an ex-programmer, I cannot understand how any computer system would not have access to the program and database to allow them to fix bugs. It simply doesn’t happen that ever. There maybe a special secure room for this access, with additional constraints on who, why and when people are allowed in, but the programmer access must exist for any system to work.
Yes, I agree. It would be inconceivable to operate a network of 11,500 branches without remote access. That is standard practice in banks and retailers. Provided you have the right level of privileged access, you can change anything. If a database gets corrupted in some way, you have to be able to repair or recover it.
Yes and the access must be logged. I’m an ex process engineer. I just cannot fathom how Horizon went through Gate 4. It couldn’t have been fit for purpose. It simply could not have passed Gate 3 given what we know! Questions I would ask are; who owned Gate 3 and Gate 4 at Fujitsu? Who owned Gate 5?
That access should have been logged and disclosed. There should be audit trail for everything. Any auditors or investigators and the sub postmaster should have access to the logs of who changed what and why. Without that there is no transparency or trust.
In an ideal world she would be on her way to prison right now. But her lawyers will probably argue that the 'bad press' would be taint any jury selection and some minister will say any prosecution 'is not in the public interest' or some other rubbish. All the while many postmasters still haven't been compensated or exonerated for their wrongful convictions. They should all see the inside of a prison cell with her, Fujitsu bosses and politicians too. It's ironic that after the 2008 financial crash, Iceland held 36 bankers accountable and put them all in prison. But what would we do in this country? Probably give 'em a knighthood or a peerage.
I also foresee her lawyers arguing that a fair trial is not possible when everyone in the country is very aware of the circumstances of the crimes. That is unfortunate but the sub postmasters were denied a fair trial because the PO lawyers failed in their duty to the courts to disclose material information for many many years.
I have said this before, they will string out the enquiry then say she has suffered enough because its gone on for years, resign and now wants to be left alone to spend time with her family The people who suffered, died and were imprisoned will be forgotten and they will say, Sorry, it will not happen again.
Has St Paula of Vennells resigned from the priesthood yet? If she ends up flung in jail then so be it. Time to end the system of one law for little people and another, more lenient, for Big People. If Big People break the criminal law they should go to jail just like little folk.
Life in the UK is so much the better over the years thanks to the investigations and revelations of the brilliant CH4. 7pm every weekday night, don't miss it!
300 years of British History Royal Mail should belong to the people. Postman is part of our community. Trusted by everyone. I’ve never seen a parking ticket on a Royal Mail van ❤️
I am forever stunned that in a multi-billion pound company like the Post Office, the General Counsel seems to be someone more professionaly suited to be sitting on a small village parish council....
Small village parish councils are run by people with morals, ethics and for the benefit of the people in that area. Not qualities possessed by the Post Office management, lawyers or investigators. I am totally stunned by the lack of moral compass of these people ploughing on to hide the truth and ruin more and more lives just to make the Post Office appear profitable. As Alan Bates said “Sell it to Amazon for a pound.”
It's how fairness works in the UK. Tories supplying worthless PPE and making millions. Postmasters having their lives ruined for committing absolutely nu crime whatsoever.
Yet still no mention of Adam Crozier, CEO of the Post Office, when this came to light, including the ongoing prosecutions. He went on to become CEO of ITV, now CEO of BT. Still no mention of MP Andrew Bridgen’s tireless campaigning to expose this. I wonder why? Could it be Andrew’s other exposé on events of the past 4 years.
Just how utterly EVIL must a person be to DELIBERATELY allow people to go to prison for long periods KNOWING they are innocent? … The level of corruption in our top echelons of society is horrifying.
Ms Vennells earned £5.1m during her time at the helm of the Post Office, peaking at £718,300 in 2018. That year her base salary was £253,800 and she earned £390,800 in bonuses (plus pensions and other benefits).
With the way the world is these days we should find some solace in the fact that this stuff can even be reported on. That said, justice should be done and probably won't.
It must surely be a criminal offence to know that people could be innocent and yet prosecute them. Its time for people to be charged rather than hide behind its not our fault we were just doing our job.
As well as prosecution and jail time, they should seek to recover the massive bung Vennals received on leaving the PO, and the pay from public roles she went into afterwards, shameful!
I find listening to these tapes utterly disgusting, these people should now be in jail, or on trial. All the people behind this terrible cover up should have their homes and income taken away from them, like they done to the sub post masters, Yes, I suppose they are still drawing their money.Their own familys must surely be disgusted with what they have done to all those innocent people who have suffered, and still are. Thank goodness for Mr Bates.
It wasnt miscarraige of justice, it was willingly conspiring to pervert the course of justice.
Why is all this not obviously on regular news
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Agreed, shameful and they are getting away with it.
Isnt this the great britain everyone used to love?
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that doesn't make sense, many of the Postmasters are Asian. My Nan says the good ol days were when the local postmaster helped with village hall Bingo on a Saturday night and all the shops were closed on Sunday. Church bells woke us up at 10am and everyone dressed smart.
They destroyed people's lives because they did not want to admit fault. This was an evil act!
It seems to me that it was not a fault! but very DILIBERATE !!
Paula Vennals needs to be charged with conspiracy, perjury, and perverting the course of justice. Her sentence should be as long as all those who have served jail time consecutively.
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
She MUST be , not just Needs
Next time she appears in her priestess role, the congregation should shout her down.
Don't forget she is apparently considered a Clerk in Holy Orders. Another institution that pulls wool over eyes.
I need someone to explain to me how it is possible that Vennells and the other board members are not the subjects of a live criminal investigation. There is more than enough evidence, why the inaction?
That Mr Bates v the Post Office show is one of the best shows I have ever seen in my life. A brilliant piece of work by all involved.
SEND THE POLICE! She needs to be ARRESTED NOW!
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
As do the entire senior management and executives around her.
I think she needs to make an offensive tweet for that to happen!
@@24321619that's funny and Scottish 😂
only if it's pronouns were wrong will they turn up
This is as clean a case of perverting the course of justice as there is. She should be stripped of her titles and sent to prison. No if's - no buts.
And her big, fat, tax-payer funded pension.
Why don't police take action
Vennels is an ordained Anglican priest and was (until 2021) a member of the Church of England's Ethical Investment Advisory Group.
So much for "values"
Makes you question the validity of these God botherers
Multimillionaire Sociopathic CEO turns Angelican Priest.
I think she demonstrates exactly what the church is about
What ethics ?
I haven't been to church in years, and I wonder when was the last time God went...
Been following this from afar since it popped in my feed one day. Occurs to me that if Fujitsu employees were able to change figures on subpostmasters’ live accounts WITH NO AUDIT RECORD, what was to stop them moving money into a collaborator’s account and splitting the money? They could even hide the transfers afterwards. Or how hard would it be to send themselves postal orders or something? Needs to be thorough investigation as to where all this money went, too. Senior managers who knew of the possibility but kept prosecuting anyway need to go to jail. Employees who shifted funds incorrectly need to go to jail. The fact this is still going on and the Post Office STILL isn’t compensating the victims in the face of already overwhelming evidence speaks to ongoing injustice.
Exactly my own thoughts ! Where did the money end up ??? was it a gang of IT/ Hitmen, ? were the gestapo investigators involved ?? Is this the source of the bonus??
@@GrahamLovattit ended up as bonuses to investigators for successful convictions and inflated bonuses to senior bosses. All self serving corruption at its core. All this and they are still free in society to enjoy their millions in bonuses....while we have petty thieves being locked up for shop lifting offences!
If Vennals et al don't go to prison then it will be another serious miscarriage of justice
Et al includes all the lower managers, investigators and lawyers. They were all party to this criminal conspiracy...🤬🤬🤬
They won't and it will be.
Would it be vindictive to suggest she not only goes to prison, but also is made bankrupt, has to return salary, bonuses, pensions shares etc?
@@Jon-xw9omNope, not at all.
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
Brilliant Channel 4 . .
Keep up your excellent journalism. . As at the present time you are the only new outlet seeking the truth.
Thank you.
My God! Susan Crichton is a piece of work! She wanted to shut down all avenues for MPs to attempt to inquire into this scandal and make them 'go away'. This was whilst knowing that perfectly innocent people were being hounded, bankrupted, and imprisoned. She, Vennells, and the CEOs of both POL and Fujitsu were perfectly content with this as long as 'the brand' (and their own corruption) were treated as sacrosanct. Where are the Met Police in this? They've interviewed two people in four years! Where are the government? Sitting on their hands, playing for time, and doing nothing. Where are the mainstream media? Virtually silent, with the honourable exception of Channel 4. A firm called DPS Computing, which provided invaluable updates of the inquiry and the latest details of the scandal has been shamefully shut down by Google on wilfully manufactured 'evidence' with no right of appeal for another 90 days. Its revenue stream has been completely severed by Google, in direct contravention of its contract. Sinister actors are behind all this and they need to be identified, shamed, and roundly defeated. The implications of all this are HUGE for us all. Wake up! This is truly frightening stuff.
Private Eye reported on this story for over 12 years.
Well said
I reside outside the UK and via RUclips follow News from a round the world. I have both read about and watched the video drama on the Post Office 'scandal' and when you see News videos like this one, can I ask - "Why has the Tory Govt not got off knees and started asking questions - or it that to much to ask of 'Wishy Washy Rishi'?
Also your final comment - I would place in front of you the Banking Scandal that Nigel Farage was caught in and the subsequent revelation that many other UK Citizens had suffered the same fate - again why has the Tory Govt not reviewed this - and the 'female' at the heart of the Banking scandal should have had her Knighthood revoked - or is that asking to much of 'wishy, washy Charles'? Sorry I read to much - Tom Bower wised me up on Charley. Keep up the good fight, but not is Scotland.
@robinlecomte1242 The Tories don't need to ask questions; they already know the answers. They're terrified of the truth being unearthed, though, because many leading Tories are implicated up to their testicles in the Post Office scandal. They either have direct personal links to Post Office CEOs at the heart of this matter or are linked to CEOs at Fujitsu, the company which produced the faulty Horizon computer system. Both companies have been complicit in lying by shamefully blaming subpostmasters for stealing money when it was the unfit-for-purpose Horizon system which actively created the alleged shortfall. The government has done nothing in the meantime to right the injustices which blight the entire affair except to mouth platitudes and instigate stalling tactics. During the past four months, the silence from the mainstream media has been deafening. The only honourable exceptions are DPS Computing (which Google, in contravention of its own contract, has stifled with egregious falsehoods as well as depriving it of its revenue stream) and Channel 4. All of this is happening in plain sight and innocent people are still awaiting justice after twenty years and more. Many of these have been bankrupted, suffered family break-ups, been hounded with false allegations, and been subjected to wrongful imprisonment via tainted evidence, perjury, and perversion of the course of justice. At least four suicides have been recorded. Immediate action is needed by government, judiciary, police, journalists, and media companies so that justice can finally be served and the guilty parties punished.
@@DerrickJenkins-s6c Many thanks for that information. I reside outside UK and since the promotion of the TV Series (which we have been able to watch) I have followed thru what printed data has arisen across RUclips. Know only to well how YT operates. But thank you, appreciate your response.
She should be in PRISON NOW to get the ball rolling. The first of MANY.
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I just can't believe listening to Susan Crichton asking if there was a way to make the MPs go away. How heartless can you be, you are aware that there may be people in jail who shouldn't be there and you are asking how to shut the people up who are complaining about it. It beggars belief.
there's something sociopathic/ psychopathic about inflicting misery and pain on people when you don't need to and without a reason...Vennells was gaining pleasure from it, evil?
Crichton has already been up in front of the Enquiry. I would think with this additional evidence that she will be called again. I’m looking forward to seeing Vennels,getting questioned. I do hope it is Jason Beer who gets this job - he is very good at highlighting liars and shysters.
@@john-y7z You are absolutely right! This is so eveil, it can only be that is gives them pleasure doing it.
Emails have also come out about vennels wanting the mp's shut up!!!!! As well as the JFSP!!!!!!!!!!
@@srp01983 Perhaps they can also bring back Mandy Talbot, and ask her if any of the recent revelations have improved her memory at all.
“…the Post Office is committed to finding the truth”, so they can bury it deeper.
If you make a mistake in your job you're disciplined, possibly fired, possibly lose wages.
If you're in the CEO class and you cost people their livelihoods, they end up in jail, in some cases their lives; you get a big fat paycheck, on the honours list and moved on to the next highly paid job.
The problems in this country are that hard working people are continually screwed over by those in power.
Absolutely
'The CEO class' sums it up perfectly.
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
It's the same worldwide, just over 4000 billionaires worldwide, and they are trying to put themselves in the a new class. Matter of time before people stop eating each other and turn to the fat piggys that are the billionaire class
And who do you think will be expected to pay the compensation, definitely not them it will be the hard working taxpayers who get to pick up the tab
Stop the public enquiry now. Criminal charges must be brought.
They're all hiding behind the enquiry procedure. Time for criminal proceedings.
Welll said!
I hope no one is surpirsed to find out that sociopathy is a prerequisite to being a CEO of a large corporation.
This is so true. Sociopaths always thrive. No guilt feelings
Why is this woman not in jail?
She will go.
Plus the senior executives at the post office and Fujitsu!
Maybe she will when it's all over
Public enquiries never result in convictions
Thanks to the people who helped make it possible to bring this to the forefront me and a lot of people never even knew about it hope justice is done ❤
This isnt just perverting the cause of justice but manslaughter of those innocent post office workers who died because of this betrayal 😢
I’m watching this and getting angrier by the second.
Why aren’t Vennels and here senior executives being questioned by police?
She personally received £2,000,000+ in performance related bonuses alone during the same time she was misleading parliament and sanctioning the continued wrongful prosecution of sub-postmasters.
At the very least, her assets ought to be frozen and the question of corporate manslaughter charges seriously considered.
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Thank you channel 4 for doing the work that the other legacy media should be doing.
bbc won't - they are very much the propaganda mouth piece of gov and are pro corruption and embargo. ch4 reporting has is own dirty laundry however. mention embargo and they won't say a thing, inline with gov policy. corruption.
Sorry, but all of this was known years ago. I knew pretty much everything that is being presented as "coming to light" now as far back as before covid without even having to dig for it. Channel 4 must have known all of this but chose, or were told and agreed, not to report it. They are as culpable as anybody else and are a disgrace. They are only reporting it now because, for some reason (I'll leave you to decide why) it's now being pushed to the fore where in the past it was actively ignored. Channel 4 are no white knights here.
Computer Weekly and Private Eye have been on the case for many years.
BBC must be in the pockets of the Tories.
yes ty from me 2 also sorry for mad nads no ones claiming her .
If the Post Office would have defrauded wealthy investors, many would have faced charges and would have been prosecuted about a decade ago. The fact they ruined the lives of 'average,' hard working folk is a shocking reflection of UK politics and the justice system.
Well the justice ‘system’ is full of upper and middle class 🔔🔚
So they are just protecting their friends
ARRESTS, NOW!
Justice delayed is justice denied.
will probably never happen
They are rich, so exempt from the law. They'll just retire to villas abroad and so on and live grest easy lives.
Ha ha ha ha ha
I don't understand, who was covertly changing the subpostmasters accounts, and why? Is the allegation that there were rogue Fujistu employees who were just randomly screwing with the figures? If so, why on earth would Post Office leadership not immediately call in the police instead of commencing a cover up?
There was a comment from neil marshall. IT people needs access to the data if there is a problem with the data. If there is a bug in the computer program resulting in wrong data. Some times the only way to fix the data is by going into the database and manually fix it. If that is the case, the sub postmaster should have been told.
@@skh5580 thank you. So the follow-up question is, are people concerned that IT went in and illegally changed the data when it didn't need changing? (And if so, why would they do that?) Or that IT failed to correct errors in the data when they should have done (e.g. errors initially generated by flaws in the system)? Or that IT did go in and change errors in the data when they should have done, but the data IT put in was wrongly calculated too?
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Do not know. If sub post masters were not notify then most likely it was a cover up. The screw up figures were caused by the faulty software. The legit way of dealing with faulty software is admit the problem, fix it, test the solution, let the users know.
I'd be concerned that people higher up than tech support could access the accounts and they're the ones behind the coverup.
@@rick4580 People higher up in Fujitsu ie managers wouldn't have a clue how to use the remote access. Their managers get promoted based on politics and relationships, ability or experience in that particular field has absolutely nothing to oi with it.
Criminal convictions now
No chance seat in the house of lords
Fact. Knight of Garter or whatever those are called
@@michaelmcginley7930 She was shortlisted to three people for the post of Bishop of London. Don't you think she was used as a pawn by the deep state to do their criminal work? I see it as the most likely explanation. They found someone too stupid to realise what they were doing, so they just followed orders from above. This is why she has not been arrested when any ordinary person would be down the cop shop before you knew it.
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
Isn’t there consequences for lying-at parliamentary committees?
it just gets worse and worse 🤬
Tip of the iceberg.
This country is rotten to the core.
I said some years back that this whole thing was an obvious travesty of justice. Of secondary importance, when it’s all over, it’s the public who are going to have to compensate the post masters. My son runs his own business and he has very recently been told by the PO that his parcel postage costs are to be tripled. We’re all going to suffer.
Sickening! They knew, and they did nothing about it!
They must be held to account all their assets should be frozen pending court cases this is a disgrace 😢😢
that isn't so. They did lots to hide it and avoid being found out and to silence those trying to get to the truth
But they did do something about it. They covered it up and lied to anyone who asked.
They did what lawyers like this get paid a fortune to do --- just make the problem go away. Then use skillfully crafted words to "Brief on a needs to know as little as possible" to skirt truth within the LAW. Justice means nothing to corporate lawyers -- just a word, not LAW. Destroyed lives mean less than nothing.
Any legal action will take at least another 10 years to get to a court, if ever.
They should add up all the sentences passed down to the sub postmasters and divide them between those who instigated this scandal and make the liars serve every second the postmasters served in prison
"Shut down MPs and make them go away"
This sounds like something a mobster would say.
Susan Crichton should answer for her 'professional silence' Guilty as well. Fujitsu should never have another contract in the UK
I do wonder if a complaint has been made to the Solicitors' Regulation Authority.
@@thegreenmanofnorwich She certainly sounded worried in those tapes.... not worried enough apparently £££
Fujitsu,I believe , now have a contract with the Tax office for a system for their computers! What on earth is this government up to?
To late our government have already issued a massive contract to Fujitsu to set up our digital operations
Hart to imagine that lot being trusted to set up anything .
This continues to be the most abhorrent and tragic case of injustice. Not only have no prosecutions by the many perpetrators taken place but also virtually nothing has been repaid to those people who have been wronged. Injustice after injustice. Instead of spending £100's of millions finding out what went wrong pay out the PO subpostmasters. To top it off valid claims are being cut by 60% plus to dalay claims in the expectation that some will die and never see any payment. Cut this nonsense out now and make it a criminal offence to delay payment by the Directors (past and present) with personal fines and 5 years in prison.
Vennells needs to do time.
and her assets confiscated
Didn't she get a £2,000,000 Bonus or something ridiculous?
If this wasn't a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, on the part of the Post Office bosses, then I don't know what is.
I bet Paula Venals is still in receipt of her enormous pension.that should be stopped immediately
Time now for the Met to act, to restore Public Faith, so that those responsible will be held to account. The Law Society should now also open an investigation against Susan Crichton to open the way for her to be Disbarred.
These bastards will escape jail.thats why the british public should not obey the law any longer
Disbarred .20 years in jail more like
Thr police are currupt of the dont charge these people.met police should be disbanded if they dont
The Law Society and the SRA will do F"ck all about this.
The Met??? Noone trusts them either.
So should Fujitsu not be charged with the crime of multiple cases of false accounting - on other people's accounts?
False accounting, fraudulently supplying a system that was not fit for purpose, covering up issues etc. they are just as culpable as the Post Office.
@@mogznwaz You should try working for them ! Incompetence and complete disinterest in doing things properly. A haven fir useless "political" managers to advance their careers.
Fantastic work, Channel 4 News. This should be the final nail in the Post Office management coffin... but will it? Accountability of senior people in the UK is a joke - that's for the little people.
That's so true - Alison Rose/NatWest.
As much as I want to see Vennells behind bars, lets not just let her take the fall for the whole thing. She had many cronies working away with her who are just as guilty. Van den Bogerd and Susan Crichton are two that immediately spring to mind, along with plenty more.
Vennells For Prison 2024
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
She must be made to be grateful to reach the safety of prison.
Justice is needed NOW. Sickening that all this evidence is in the public eye and yet no one responsible for this huge miscarriage of justice is behind bars. JUSTICE NOW.
they should be made accountable for this
Put her in Prison
She's a woman so there is little chance of her going to prison in this feminist society.
She should be grateful to reach prison, safely.
That’s too good for her.
IRA did have their own just system and working well.... just to say. Never forget and never forgive.
This sad, sad saga goes beyond the Post Office senior management. It hits at the heart of the sense of entitlement that runs through most of the executive business community & political classes in the UK. They really just want the difficult problems of the 'little people' to "go away". There is little interest in fixing real problems, or creating genuine benefit, just in a pursuit of the trappings of power & prestige.
Corporate Britain summed up perfectly.
When a Covert Team is set up to 'mess with' someone's business accounts..it's not a problem, it's a crime. Who sanctioned this and why.
Great journalism C4!
You poor man I hope you get the justice you rightly deserve, God bless you.
If senior post office executives, managers and lawyers, don't go to prison, where is the incentive for other such persons, in the future, to behave more ethically?
Some good news. They do and they will. This is pretty big stuff, and there's on top of it all. Perjury, which they can't seem to stop doing. And you're right, there's a culture that persists within those echelons, know better, we are better than the rest of the serfs. It's post feudal old gentry mode of thought. Some may call it arrogance. It's worse, it's callous disregard for the classes deemed unworthy.
Now the sad part. It's so ingrained it is the fabric we live by and visit it upon those we deem lesser. We're too busy looking at the migrant, the other, the disabled, benefit scroungers, turning our frustration on them. Meanwhile, and we have just seen behind the curtain, this.
Think: sewage, water, brexit, Grenfell, post office, blood, NHS, PPE... List is endless. Ethical, not in this or another lifetime. It is part of the institution.
A whole bunch of them should be in custody RIGHT NOW. Any prevarication or delay on the matter shows complicitness at the highest level.
The public enquiry should stopped and criminal case opened. The public know they were utterly contemptuous of sub post masters and the whole organisation needs to be locked up.
I understand the Police are investigating in parallel with the Inquiry.
@tristamprice534 agreed. But the waste of public money seems somewhat wasteful now. These people are just crooks and need the same judgement (albeit just) as they imposed on others from their ivory tower.
@@tristamprice534 why is she not on remand .boroness miss mone might aswell turn sails and pic her up.
shocking. the testimony from Rodric Williams, who is still currently in the Post office as legal head is shameless.
Of course she knew.
We all knew that she knew, but now there is evidence that she knew. Criminal charges have to be brought. Now.
She needs to pay - literally - out of her own pocket to the compensation fund. As do the others involved in this.
You can't knowingly let people spend years in prison and have their lives ruined just to protect a corporate bottom line. That's disgusting. She needs prison time - especially if she's misled polie or a court decision.
Or of course a Select Committee.
I doubt it was done to improve the bottom line of the accounts. Surely it went to someone with very large back pockets?
@@razachaswills5076 same thing. profits up = bigger bonuses for the top brass
Yes, they can.
Because you Islanders are all sheep
well done, when you do actual journalism it's a net positive for humanity, please continue doing this with other stories that need investigating, you have 10+ years to catch up on.
Prison for Paula! If she and her accomplices don't go to prison, then I've lost all faith in the justice system.
most be do when they gone to court watch the farce and see .it only matters about how you say things not what realy taken place .written such a way only the realy rich get the right access too.
Clear evidence I would have thought of ‘misconduct in a public office’ I would have thought.
The Police should be immediately arresting all those implicated here.
Justice must be done.
The police is management government run, this is where the corruption problem is.
The police should be arrested for not arresting Vennals.
i seen more judgment from you tube comming for our reactions so not to hurt poor puals's feeling .you know so it does not hurt their brand.
Brilliant Reporting and months on we’ve heard and seen so much lies in the inquiry 👍
Why hasn't Vennells been arrested?
She has friends in high places no doubt.
She is chums with the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Good mates with powerful Tory grandees.
Because she's protected
The rich cover up for one another. I remember one saying to me “Because you never know when it will happen to you.”
The crime doesn’t even matter, they look after one another regardless. Saville, anyone?
What was the purpose of amending live accounts? They must have been given a reason for this, what was it? The idea that an accounts system has a back-door is just crazy. Why was there a covert operations team?
Vennals needs some serious jail time.She is a vile individual.
You misspelled evil.
If I comment my true feelings you tube will strike me off
Shes not the only one. What about Fujitsu ?
@@willie2761 Agreed that Fujitsu has culpability as well, but surely the onus was on the Post Office to hold its supplier's feet to the fire on matters that could affect the lives of its subpostmasters?
@@cashfordoughnuts Ha. Both!
It's not just Susan Crichton and Paula Vennells that need to go to jail, it's also Moya Greene and Adam Crozier who need investigating.
I’m eager to hear what Vennels has to say at the re commencement of the enquiry in April, together with the other so called big bosses
I'm hoping she's having sleepless night after sleepless night, feeling the pressure.
Why has it taken this long for these recordings to surface?
Why have they not all been arrested and put before the Crown Courts we cannot have Laws for one section of society and Laws for another section that will only lead to chaos.
Correct if they sre not arrested soon then i think we should all disregard the law when it comes to financial crimes.dont pay any debt etc.why should we obey the law when the rich and powerful get a get out of jail card
@@michaelmcginley7930 Those of us who have studied law understand the blue-eyed baby fallacy we know about the following statements made by England's top judges. People are forgetting our forefathers left us with Constitutions that are there to stop those entrusted with our good governance do not abuse the powers we the Sovereign people invest in them:
Chief Justice of the Common Pleas William Beresford 1306-1326 ruled, “there is no such thing as a bad law for if it is bad it is not law”.
Chief Justice Stonor of the Common Pleas 1329-1331 ruled, “law is that which is right”. Chief Justice Sir
Edward Coke of the Kings Bench 1616-1628 ruled, “Parliament may pass a law which is beyond common right and reason, is repugnant or impossible to perform; in which case, the common law will intercede and strike it down”.
Thank you Channel 4 for excellent reporting on this gross injustice!
Throw away the key for all involved
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What key they wont be going anywhere you muppet
Why oh why, are these so called 'top executives' not being charged? Throw them all in jail and hide the key. It is a disgrace.
I can't believe that someone in charge could lie so much to the suffering of so many. This scandal killed innocent people and venebals is still trying to escape blame even after lying under oath!
A so-called Christian. I wonder how she can live with herself?
So what could actually make you believe?
More Tories running away with more millions die faulty PPE?
More lies on more buses?
You Islanders are such sheep.
I'm worried about the world. Especially our young people. Like you said. The more outrageous the more money they make, selling themselves. 😢
You British?
"The Post Office is committed to finding the truth"....they have known the truth for many years.
More like committed to obscuring the truth.
The post office lost the truth down the back of the sofa, no big deal.
Typical corporate public relations speech. No PR pronouncements should ever be believed in any way. They are just skillfully crafted nonsense at best.
Ministers are suggesting "Sanctions" I think most people would suggest investigated, charged, tried and if convicted sentenced appropriately. As for Post Office Investigators and anyone else involved in securing convictions ought to be subject to the same fate.
I worked for an accounting software company for years. We had remote access to client systems but if anyone had asked for figures and balances to be adjusted our response would have been NO!
As an ex-programmer, I cannot understand how any computer system would not have access to the program and database to allow them to fix bugs. It simply doesn’t happen that ever. There maybe a special secure room for this access, with additional constraints on who, why and when people are allowed in, but the programmer access must exist for any system to work.
Yes, I agree. It would be inconceivable to operate a network of 11,500 branches without remote access. That is standard practice in banks and retailers. Provided you have the right level of privileged access, you can change anything. If a database gets corrupted in some way, you have to be able to repair or recover it.
Exactly. The naivety of people ever believing otherwise is amazing.
Yes and the access must be logged. I’m an ex process engineer.
I just cannot fathom how Horizon went through Gate 4. It couldn’t have been fit for purpose. It simply could not have passed Gate 3 given what we know!
Questions I would ask are; who owned Gate 3 and Gate 4 at Fujitsu? Who owned Gate 5?
That access should have been logged and disclosed. There should be audit trail for everything. Any auditors or investigators and the sub postmaster should have access to the logs of who changed what and why. Without that there is no transparency or trust.
@@bookofshadows2755I’m interested what these Gates refer to. Thanks!
When a private entity has something known as the "Covert Action Team" something has gone very, very wrong.
In an ideal world she would be on her way to prison right now. But her lawyers will probably argue that the 'bad press' would be taint any jury selection and some minister will say any prosecution 'is not in the public interest' or some other rubbish. All the while many postmasters still haven't been compensated or exonerated for their wrongful convictions. They should all see the inside of a prison cell with her, Fujitsu bosses and politicians too.
It's ironic that after the 2008 financial crash, Iceland held 36 bankers accountable and put them all in prison. But what would we do in this country? Probably give 'em a knighthood or a peerage.
I also foresee her lawyers arguing that a fair trial is not possible when everyone in the country is very aware of the circumstances of the crimes. That is unfortunate but the sub postmasters were denied a fair trial because the PO lawyers failed in their duty to the courts to disclose material information for many many years.
ICELAND ROCKS!
I have said this before, they will string out the enquiry then say she has suffered enough because its gone on for years, resign and now wants to be left alone to spend time with her family
The people who suffered, died and were imprisoned will be forgotten and they will say, Sorry, it will not happen again.
@@pjb2836 our elites look out for themselves.
@@pjb2836 It is happening again right now. Look at how MP Andrew Bridgen has been treated for speaking out.
Prison for her is this only way. 10 years minimum
Make it 50
Has St Paula of Vennells resigned from the priesthood yet? If she ends up flung in jail then so be it. Time to end the system of one law for little people and another, more lenient, for Big People. If Big People break the criminal law they should go to jail just like little folk.
Life in the UK is so much the better over the years thanks to the investigations and revelations of the brilliant CH4. 7pm every weekday night, don't miss it!
Lock em' up
300 years of British History Royal Mail should belong to the people. Postman is part of our community. Trusted by everyone. I’ve never seen a parking ticket on a Royal Mail van ❤️
The Post office is older than the police. Just it’s time to take back the post office and this can never happen again.
I am forever stunned that in a multi-billion pound company like the Post Office, the General Counsel seems to be someone more professionaly suited to be sitting on a small village parish council....
Underrated comment.
Over promoted diversity hire.
Small village parish councils are run by people with morals, ethics and for the benefit of the people in that area. Not qualities possessed by the Post Office management, lawyers or investigators.
I am totally stunned by the lack of moral compass of these people ploughing on to hide the truth and ruin more and more lives just to make the Post Office appear profitable. As Alan Bates said “Sell it to Amazon for a pound.”
The problem with DEI hires I say that as a woman
@@muffyjohnson7458 Doesn't seem that diverse from all the other idiots in charge.
So submasters went to jail, but no post office or Fujitsu employees have... seems really fair
It's how fairness works in the UK. Tories supplying worthless PPE and making millions. Postmasters having their lives ruined for committing absolutely nu crime whatsoever.
Yet still no mention of Adam Crozier, CEO of the Post Office, when this came to light, including the ongoing prosecutions. He went on to become CEO of ITV, now CEO of BT. Still no mention of MP Andrew Bridgen’s tireless campaigning to expose this. I wonder why? Could it be Andrew’s other exposé on events of the past 4 years.
Just how utterly EVIL must a person be to DELIBERATELY allow people to go to prison for long periods KNOWING they are innocent? … The level of corruption in our top echelons of society is horrifying.
SHAME, SHAME SHAME. Those poor sub postmasters did'nt stand a chance. Fujitsu MUST pay.
I think it's time to call this as criminal activity by the post office and those in charge
Ms Vennells earned £5.1m during her time at the helm of the Post Office, peaking at £718,300 in 2018. That year her base salary was £253,800 and she earned £390,800 in bonuses (plus pensions and other benefits).
Fujitsu are as deeply involved in this as the P.O. They should be forced to pay compensation to all affected.
As an American I am saddened to learn of this! This not the way that we view Great Brittain. We hold them to a higher standard.
Britain at it's best.
With the way the world is these days we should find some solace in the fact that this stuff can even be reported on. That said, justice should be done and probably won't.
Anyone who doesn't think that all big tech has a back door into supposedly secure systems is very much mistaken.
It must surely be a criminal offence to know that people could be innocent and yet prosecute them. Its time for people to be charged rather than hide behind its not our fault we were just doing our job.
Will these 'secret' recordings be permitted as evidence in either the public inquiry or any subsequent criminal trials?
MR BATES YOU ARE A SAINT
The worst criminal injustice of our times , we need justice soon and prison time a must
As well as prosecution and jail time, they should seek to recover the massive bung Vennals received on leaving the PO, and the pay from public roles she went into afterwards, shameful!
Fujitsu should be banned from all UK government contracts.
Why are they not all arrested yet?
Because this is britain!
I find listening to these tapes utterly disgusting, these people should now be in jail, or on trial. All the people behind this terrible cover up should have their homes and income taken away from them, like they done to the sub post masters, Yes, I suppose they are still drawing their money.Their own familys must surely be disgusted with what they have done to all those innocent people who have suffered, and still are. Thank goodness for Mr Bates.