These bastards should be in jail. It’s absolutely sickening that Post Office executives are paying themselves huge bonuses whilst the Horizon scandal inquiry is on going and hundreds of innocent victims haven’t seen justice.
If they're truly that sorry then one would think that the best way in which this can be demonstrated is to return the bonuses that they had, clearly unjustifiably, received. These bonuses could be used as a basis for compensating people that were wrongly accused. Simple.
@Jonbombs..he is good and thorough....have watched him before. Darren Jones is MP for Bristol North I believe. They are super lucky to have such a sensible person...someone with intelligence for once!
@@janetmalcolm6191indeed. Rare to see an MP who actually seems very competent and no surprise to see he was a former lawyer. A sorry state where this MP, who for my money represents the standard required, seems absolutely head and shoulders above a lot of the current crop
These scumbags should be in JAIL for a minimum of 10 years. They call it errors. I call it COVER UP. Jail time is the only justice for what they did to these poor people.
this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,
Other senior government employees, such as those in the HM Forces, are cashiered for their misdemeanours and lose their pension rights and honours - a rather more painful outcome for them!! What other organisations use Horizon ???
It won’t happen, they operate in a different class to us. ‘Lessons will be learned’ though, and that’ll be the end of it. We f**ked up but because it wasn’t malicious we can apologise and walk away without incurring personal consequences.
Yep. It's fraud isn't it at the least. If they didn't know, that's almost worse: it's corporate manslaughter: negligence has caused the death of employees and several of them. Either way jail time. The UK must stamp out this level of corruption.
There needs to be a Police investigation to ascertain which people acted illegally and in particular those who knowingly lied in court when giving evidence. Prosecutions can then follow.
I remember the days when even letters with incomplete addresses were delivered somehow. My recent post went AWOL after going into the box.. ...can you get through to complain...NO. something always not working with that.. so no bonuses please. Customer Service is non existent.
Got to wonder where all the money they stole from there own employees went, these employees they made pay the shortcoming that were falsely created by there faulty IT system, hundreds of thousands of pounds, they bankrupt these people.... Where did all this Money go !..... likely answer... in the pockets of the bosses that covered up this massive issue spanning over 20yrs!!!
What's bets Paula Vennels couldn,t give a flying F**K about loosing her " Honour", but prison time and loosing her I'll gotten wealth would serve the public better!.
true. In Hungary it looks like this: Opposition MP: Why did this and that happen? Government official: Just because. Minister: You should first disclose how you could afford buying a pencil in 1986!!! PM: Merry Christmas!
When they are caught they just apologise and carry on regardless. The guy in this video is an arrogant bastar*d who isn’t fit to hold his position. No wonder the postal workers detest him.
this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,
Paying themselves excessive bonuses while the people they wrongly accused of fraud went to jail, lost their houses, their livelihood and some even their lives. What's more they knew the Post Office accounting system was flawed and broken but they persisted in prosecuting the post masters. Why aren't these corporate executives serving time in prison?
If this was a perceived, 'low level' public servant, i.e., Police Constable, etc, would they have been prosecuted for 'mischievance in public office' or similar? Secondly, how can such supposedly intelligent high office individuals so easily miss such obvious errors? Thirdly, have they voluntarily repaid their bonus?
The upper levels of this organisation should be fined ,stripped of their job and pension rights ,sued by all t(e postmasters for false allegations that led to their life changing ordeal ,,,,they can’t get the time back or the job to which they loved all because of a form of embezzlement at the cost of workers life’s and jobs they trusted the Royal Mail in
The Government should be held to account for allowing the obscene greed & criminality to continue in the Post Office, what happened to corporate responsibility ,that was obviously all hot air
I liked the way he made the point that the Post Masters, who hadn't actually done anything wrong, weren't given the option of just apologizing, yet the people paying themselves huge bonuses wrongly think it's fine for themselves to just apologize.
So many people in positions of power are absolutely tone deaf on that matter, only interested in saving their own skins and not actually helping all the people wrongly accused. Even after he said that about the people wrongly accused not being given the chance to just apologise, the last woman still went ahead and put out her lip service apology with no meaning behind it
It's the way the human race has evolved. Look after number 1. Most of us commenting would probably take advantage if fortunate enough to be in the same situation. I'm not justifying their actions, just highlighting what a sad world we live in.
Because there aren’t many politicians with legal experience to know how to examine and cross-examine witnesses. Let alone politicians who even care enough the study a situation fully enough to know what questions to ask be they ex lawyers or not
He’s incredibly smart, check him out on Wikipedia. He’s too highly qualified to be an MP in reality, although has now reached very senior positions. In reality he could be making a large amount of money as a private lawyer instead. He’s impressive to watch and listen to
Let's be clear, they tried to push through a lucrative bonus without going through the appropriate process. It's fraudulent and unacceptable and "apologies" are meaningless.
I’m ashamed of this country, time and time again people in power just don’t care about the common person, the amount of scandals we have had for decades, these people should be held accountable for their actions, strip them of their money, and send them to jail, I’m so angry how they get away with it, we need a REVOLUTION!!!
Its circular, there are still leaders. Simply enforce the system to bring them to enquiries. Good to have this on camera, we the public need to keep this up and the press
The wrong people are in control of everything. Nothing will change until enough of us wake up to this and say NO and are willing to do something about it. Easy enough for me to type this into a keyboard but in today's world I can't see enough people waking up.
Remember the lies perpetrated by these traitors in government about the "Safe and effective vaccine", Here's some info if you weren’t aware Definition in dictionary’s prior to September 2021....a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce IMMUNITY to a specific disease, PROTECTING the person from that disease After September 2021 this was altered to....A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Two very different definitions....lie upon lie upon obfuscation followed by more lies....Nuremberg 2.0...This'll probably get censored but they can't censor us all YET!!! More evidence of these blatant Corporate enemies of the people...KHUNTS.
The leadership in this country has been rotten for years. Self-serving, self-sustaining, Labour or Conservative (elections make no difference); if you're 'in the club', they'll 'see you right'. Golden hellos, golden goodbyes... these people are never called to account, they'll never apologise, meanwhile the workers continue to get screwed, and blamed.
this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running, some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,
@@tabularasa7775 you really do have a spurious grasp (at best) on the subject being discussed. Maybe save yourself the future embarrassment and save your opinions for your kids?💋
It's also sickening that the National Federation of Subpostmasters, notionally the victims' trade union, parroted the line, and threw their members under the bus.
For everything that they were going through to be told that 'they were the only ones' must have added insult to injury. You must have felt like that you were going mad! There CEO's will walk off into other jobs and come away with a nice pension. Makes me so angry!.
As a postman of 36+ years I am ashamed that these people who are paid massive salaries are corrupt. Whether it be in the Post Office or Royal Mail there should be a police and public inquiry as the corruption is staggering. These CEOs that are so greedy that once they’re caught they think saying sorry makes it right. They have no shame. They should be jailed!! Well done Darren Jones for again showing these fraudsters up for what they really are.
These public servants are just on the gravy train, the government gives money and their hand digs into the money pit and leaves virtually nothing left for services.
@@ronaldmasters1225 Although I was against privatisation, once it happened me & a lot of my colleagues thought the business would get better. It’s got 100 times worse and the company’s been run by people who think they own it. The CEO who brought it to his knees, resigns then still gets his wages, bonuses, help to reintegrate into another job. A package over £500,000 shows why this company is in a mess. There needs to be a police & Government inquiry into the corruption of Thompson, Williams, McAuley & the whole board who must’ve agreed to it.🤬🤬
How Western Corporations work nowadays. CEO fails get's golden handshake then moves to a different CEO position rinse and repeat. Excuses they give are always corporate bullshit, 'we're sorry', we had other priorities we screwed up and then it wasn't our fault we paid external consultants to tell us how we could make more money personally and then we voted on it personally. Metrics told us other Corps were doing it so we thought we could get away with it too. We made mistakes we failed but we'll keep our jobs despite they fact if a lowly worker had made similar mistakes we'd have sacked them. Same when a scandal occurs 'should never have happened we're sorry but now we now about it we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again' - it happened on your watch the first time which to me implies you aren't worthy of the position in the first place because if you cared it wouldn't have happened to that extent in the first place. If they wanted to do the right thing why even offer 'incentivisation' in the first place. You get paid to do a job do it... Only the little people get screwed as always.
@@alphaomega1328 I agree 100%, it’s happening all over. Failure for these people is classed as success as they make millions & walk into another job. It’s time this country punished these people & the only way they can do that is financially. Ahh wait a minute the corruption is right at the heart of this government so how can we penalise them without penalising ourselves. 🤔🤔
What's sickening is that these fraudsters will all have, or already have, highly paid jobs, even though they have proved themselves to have enjoyed a financial bonus, awarded to themselves, by themselves. Apologies are cheap,they should be in jail having paid back the bonus with interest.
As a common man you can clearly see they are lying , it’s like watching naughty children talking to their mother . Pathetic and embarrassing for the country
There's a class of people whose second nature is lying and deception, it's mad how they all scratch each others backs most of the time until one of them steps too far out of line.
It's so interesting to see how it all works, though, isn't it. They are caught out bang to rights, but they're still able to talk the talk with the utmost assurance in their cut glass accents. This is really all it takes to become senior executives in business today. Moral probity: forget it!
Psychopaths caught red-handed, they know their excuses are feeble. The sincerity of all their apologies is so transparently fake. Galling on so many levels.
They must PAY THE BONUSES BACK!!! If they're not corrupt then they're simply wanting and substandard and DO NOT DESERVE ANY BONUSES. Give them to the families of the postmasters who committed suicide after being wrongly accused.
Brilliant Labour MP - against a bunch of clever crooks- very used to cooking the books in their favour! The poor people who were wrongly accused and imprisoned for NOTHING, they stole NOTHING! This lot would fleece their mothers… shocking
@@felbomber1948 loooooool man make money money does not make man… or prove ability … it’s usually birth name and privilege. Don’t get it confused Tory boy.
loooooool Man money does make you a man, a rich one, and it would certainly prove you had the ability to at the very least to be successful in making money, and who told you that its usually birth name, and privilege only that would make you well off, May be you should look at someone like Richard Branson, No university, did not finish Secondary school, has Dyslexia, started with magazine called Student, was failing so, Virgin mail orders records was born, and so on Man, By the way Tory Boy, wrong don't vote for Tory or Labour, don't need either Government, my self education, and poor family up bringing gave me the ability to succeed in business, its called self belief. Cancel Reply
"Errors were made" so the executives were paid handsome bonuses on false information. The executives were not so forgiving to the postmasters falsely accused of fraud by the Horizon IT scandal.
How many more cases of corporate criminality do we need to hear about, before these people are charged, jailed and stripped of their fraudulent bonuses. They are laughing at us.
Genuinely sickening. They can't even manage a sincere apology. Disgusting individuals, barely human. And they see no need to resign. Utterly revolting.
@@MrRufus302 Sadly, you don't know the UK legal system. To answer your question, the last person I saw to resign from what they thought was an untenable position was Lord Charrington in 1982. He was foreign secretary and failed to forsee the Argentine invasion of the Falklands. Nowerdays, as we have seen on both sides of the Atlantic, almost nothing will prevent people like Johnson and Trump doing anything they want to. It didn't always be that way, but is now. We even have Truss giving after-dinner speeches and her views reported in the media when she alone almost destroyed the UK economy in 43 days, and her actions have resulted in thousands of people losing their homes.
@@stephenreeds3632 imho too many people at the top see us at the bottom as ignorant lazy uppity slaves who need them to ‘incentivise’ us to work harder for longer to pay for their privilege. Their word is their bond, their status is all they need to be believed, and an apology erases all ’mistakes’, whereas the workforce and customers at the bottom are routinely hounded, ruined and jailed. Look at our water, electricity, public transport, the TV license thugs, the PPE profiteering, the list is endless and we all know about it, but apparently only if a TV drama shows it to the world will they be shamed enough to even acknowledge that there may be ‘issues’. But the bonuses, rewards and accolades flow anyway. It’s sickening.
@@cheistiandunn7988 you insinuate that there’s something amiss with his expenses. I’ve just taken a look, both the IPSA website and his own. Seems open and above board to me.
Darren Jones to head future enquiries across government and corporate life ... Pin them down.. The only thing he didn't say was if it wasn't deliberate what are a bunch of incompetent fools doing in positions at board level in the post office
I've always asked why ANY executive of any company should be given vast bonuses on top of their salary for simply doing their job? Does this mean they need an incentive for doing the job better, and without that incentive would do it worse??
This is shocking, it needs to be pushed out into the mainstream media. It's clearly highly innapropiate behavioir by those at the highest level in the Post Office. The MP is absolutely fantastic.
Why do you put the word 'innocent' in inverted commas? These decent sub-postmasters and sub-postmistresses didn't just claim to be innocent. They _were_ completely innocent of any wrongdoing.
Darren Jones is precisely the kind of MP this country needs. His decisive, tenacious and principled approach to unravelling the layers of corruption amongst the Post Office Board members and the Tory Party is admirable. Excellent work.🙌🙌🙌🙌
Enough of that shit, the Post Office was just as bad under the last Labour Government as well. Everyone talks a good game about how the other side is dropping the ball but no one is better than the other, Labour are in no position to criticise anyone about mismanagement of money given their last turn almost crashed our economy, never mind the billions spent on a fake war by Blair. Unions are to blame here, in bed with Labour who need their support, in league with the Tories to keep the peace. Don't be fooled by people like Mick Lynch who get paid fortunes to feign horror at the plight of the workers only to do backroom deals at the eleventh hour to stave off disaster knowing full well part of those deals is not to question bonuses until the next pre-planned upheaval. It's all bullshit, smoke and mirrors to keep the masses suitably enraged for short bursts to let the majority of underhand stuff slip under the radar.
Except that neither party is that much different. We need a new election system where individual votes count, rather than manipulating everybody to think a vote for a new party is a wasted vote. Why are we any different than a dictatorship if we only have 2 parties that are very similar in policies?
@@secret7jhkjhjkhkjh747while I agree we need a new system with more competition, the current Conservative party is CLEARLY worse than Labour, hands down. Name one thing Labour has been found legally guilty of that's worse than Partygate, the illegal Rwanda scheme, lying to parliament, lying to the Queen, breaking the Good Friday Agreement, breaking Human Rights laws, etc.
These are despicable people, Sadly all too common in large businesses who assume they are entitled to huge bonuses without scrutiny. The only thing these people are sorry about and find "unfortunate" is that they are sat in front of a Parliamentary committee having to blame their way out of being caught. They should be in a criminal court but I doubt that will ever happen.
He is on the shadow front bench. He’s shadow chief sec to HMT. Starmer loves him, he’s put forward on sky news breakfast every week by him as Labour rep spokesman.
Utter disgrace that these people can get away with making all these errors and still receive their bonuses. Clearly, they are lying through their teeth! The poor little Postmasters whose lives were wrecked still fight to get compensation!
And the post office employees have to pay legal costs to get their compensation. If this is British justice then it's time for a big reset. Errors, apologies and mistakes!! Criminal courts cases are the only solution to stop this disgraceful state of affairs.
How Darren maintains composure dealing with the detritus he's required to interview in these committees is astounding! He's also as sharp as a razor. Bravo!
A blatant crime has been committed here. During Mondays debate on the privileges report, many honest MPs stood to point out the ridiculousness of the commons rules that punish people for calling out lying far more than they punish those who deliberately lie. The same is in evidence here, if you were under police investigation or up in court, a plea of "I deeply apologise and will do better next time" does not exist, but these people knew they could do this, take their slap on the wrist and pocket tens of millions in taxpayer cash. Its happening here, its happening in the rail companies, its happening everywhere this corrupt government and their private sector cronies can get their grubby little hands on.
It infuriates me when these people start with an apology, as if it exonerates them of any wrong doing……. …..are they completely immune to any kind of reproach? They knew what they were doing and there so bloody arrogant that they never thought they’d be found out……………..they should feel the same shame, embarrassment and hardship that those that were wrongly accused.
The fact that the Post Office support center told them "they were the only ones" shows they were lying!!! I feel this is enough evidence, proof that they knew and were up to no good!!! Absolutely shameless, disgusting actions!!
well you say that but if he was truely outstanding the inquiry wouldn't simply end and then forgotten. if in tommorows press it said that darren jones has reported a crime then i would agree but we all know that won't happen
@@ABRAM_BEATSThey keep it. The payment was made. Frankly, they should be sued and criminally charged, but they're no doubt good friends of Rishi & Co.
@@ABRAM_BEATS they get to keep it, whilst this they jailed get almost nothing, some suicides and even a pregnant woman was jailed ..... this is outrageous that they think they can just apologise and it all goes away but it will, that's excactly what will happen casue too many Brits are raging outside hotels rather than focusing on who is really responsible for our economic nightmare
These shysters must be taken to court and made to PAY BACK THE MONEY they have fleeced from the taxpayers. Just like THEY did to the innocent sub posties. 😡
That's what should be happening. Instead you get these ridiculous enquiries and committees which is really just a gravy train for bureaucrats and MPs to grandstand
I wish they would stop apologising because this has gone way too far for so long that an apology almost sounds like an insult. Who is this MP - seen him before he is great, he won’t let anyone get away with anything. We need more like him.
Darren Jones MP. (Labour, Bristol North West) I agree - a fine mind and motivated by doing the right thing for the country, unlike the recent Conservative government which stood for nothing but maintaining their own power indefinitely and lining their mates' pockets all the while, by the look of what was going on at the Post Office, the PPE scandal VIP lane beneficiaries, etc etc. Luckily for the Conservatives a very high proportion of the country are either ignorant of politics, or thick, or both, and that means they can be manipulated by this "one weird trick" called lying. Voters cannot tell the difference between politicians who lie and those that tell the truth, and as we can see from the likes of Johnson, Truss and their like there are no consequences for incompetence or lying. They deploy a lie that privatisation is a good thing (it is for the rich, but not for the vast majority of us) and we all go along with it. Idiocy.
I think what disgusts me most is the mantra that in order to get people to do their jobs properly and honestly they need to be 'incentivised' & 'motivated' by being offered large sums of money. It seems to me that anyone who is 'incentivised' or 'motivated' to work in a proper manner by such offers must be a thoroughly dishonest, greedy, irresponsible and shameless person. I am no longer working full-time, but were I doing so, I should feel insulted by such an offer. One notices that it is not the ordinary worker who is thought to need 'incentivising' and 'motivating' in this way, but only those oh, so civilised and well-spoken creeps at the top. What wholly disgusting and contemptible people they are.
It's amazing, isn't it? And these same cretins expect their lowest paid employees to suck up their pay cuts and harsh punishments as if they aren't the ones doing all the legwork... These oligarchs are vile.
It’s absolutely disgusting. It’s a crime happening right in front of our faces and nothing will be done about it at all because we are living in a two tier society. Laws and rules only apply to certain people…
The remuneration these executives are paid, I fail to see why they should then be granted a bonus! I find it appalling that senior executives in within the Post Office management feel it’s morally acceptable to take these bonuses when the sub postmasters were treated to such a massive miscarriage of Justice. They are still waiting for a full discharge of their convictions, and full compensation. This executive offer ‘regret and a full apology! These individuals must face Criminal Charges, loss of their homes, pensions and any other bonuses or public awards. I find it interesting they claim, “There was no intent”. That is a fact for a jury to determine. I hope they face a full trial and face public exposure.
This MP is absolutely brilliant and so thorough. All these hollow apologies- imagine trying to line your pockets in with public funds for doing what you ought to have done. There are clearly several of them who should be held accountable for false accounting. This is not a mistake there would be too many people who are thoroughly incompetent.
If the Labour Party had more MP’s like Darren Jones, I’d vote for them in a heartbeat. He’s intelligent, tenacious and the sort of politician you’d want running the country !!
Best around, no misleading flim - flam, straight to the point, he can identify the disingenuous dialogue, and shred it mercilessly. The amount of pathetic apologies here, from people who knew they were deceitful at the time is Jones' meat and drink. Want to see much more of him.
I may be, and I try not to be(!) biased as he’s my MP, but this guy comes across and the strongest; straightest, most competent person in parliament. Colour me lucky!
The people in charge of the post office at this time should face prosecution on the basis of how badly they have inflicted criminal prosecution and life changing decisions on normal people just trying to do a good job. Its scandalous and these people should be held to account!
These folk sent people to prison (others committed suicide ) for theft and false accounting AFTER they knew that their sub postmasters were operating a faulty software system that could mess up the accounts. Lock em up!
Absolutely horrific for the victims. Take bonuses away from management and director's and award the bonuses to the postmasters. Compensation will more than likely come from taxpayers pockets. Disgraceful state of affairs.
Signing off your own bonus should be illegal and there should be mechanisms in place to get that money back by legal enforcement when wrongdoing is found.
In summary, they messed up, therefore they needed a bonus to incentivise them to fix their mistakes? Absolutely unbelievable, their apologies mean nothing. This is corruption in its truest form, and they were willing to sacrifice the actual workers on the shop floor for their own greed. They're only sorry they got found out.
If someone is hired to do a job, and a salary is agreed beforehand, why on earth should they be handed bonuses for doing their jobs? And calling it "going above and beyond" is nonsense. All employers expect their employees to go above and beyond.
The irony...Post Office convicting innocent people of false accounting, destroying their lives and reputation, are themselves found to be guilty of false accounting
We all know it shouldn't have happened but it did! When are people going to pay the price and repay the bonuses for their errors and those who were knowingly dishonest go to jail.
So apologies given but massive bonus still taken. They judge themselves for bonuses!! The poor families who suffered in the computer disaster were slaughtered by similar types to this CEO yet get nothing. What utterly despicable behaviour.
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These bastards should be in jail. It’s absolutely sickening that Post Office executives are paying themselves huge bonuses whilst the Horizon scandal inquiry is on going and hundreds of innocent victims haven’t seen justice.
We never had bonuses for doing our job. Why for ministers for doing their job?
totally agree - I'm on your team@@foxcub6795
It's sick that 700 people were given criminal convictions with no evidence. Criminals protecting criminals
If they're truly that sorry then one would think that the best way in which this can be demonstrated is to return the bonuses that they had, clearly unjustifiably, received. These bonuses could be used as a basis for compensating people that were wrongly accused. Simple.
Tom cooper does not look one ounce sorry.the greedyguts he is!
This Labour MP who heads this committee seems like the most competent member of Parliament in the UK
@Jonbombs..he is good and thorough....have watched him before.
Darren Jones is MP for Bristol North I believe.
They are super lucky to have such a sensible person...someone with intelligence for once!
@@janetmalcolm6191indeed. Rare to see an MP who actually seems very competent and no surprise to see he was a former lawyer. A sorry state where this MP, who for my money represents the standard required, seems absolutely head and shoulders above a lot of the current crop
I agree.
future pm
Oh, he is, Jon - I've seen him dissect these crooked individuals before....there's no-one close to his exacting standard.
These scumbags should be in JAIL for a minimum of 10 years. They call it errors. I call it COVER UP. Jail time is the only justice for what they did to these poor people.
Here here well said
this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,
THAY SHOULD HAVE ALL THERE ASSETS TAKEING OF THEM TO PAY FOR THERE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES.
Sovereign citizen filth are protected by the collective brain trust
Errors? When they were talking about the post masters they called it theft.
These are all criminals stealing public money!! Bonuses must be paid back immediately & they should all lose their jobs
Other senior government employees, such as those in the HM Forces, are cashiered for their misdemeanours and lose their pension rights and honours - a rather more painful outcome for them!! What other organisations use Horizon ???
Definitely lose their jobs and pay back their bonuses and charge them with being dishonest.
And also jailed.
I hope like prison food
That shouldn't be a Parliamentary enquiry, it should be a criminal court...
It will be now
It never happen they get knighthoods and peerages for it
Because the courts have done so well with the sub post masters cases?
It won’t happen, they operate in a different class to us. ‘Lessons will be learned’ though, and that’ll be the end of it. We f**ked up but because it wasn’t malicious we can apologise and walk away without incurring personal consequences.
Yep. It's fraud isn't it at the least. If they didn't know, that's almost worse: it's corporate manslaughter: negligence has caused the death of employees and several of them. Either way jail time. The UK must stamp out this level of corruption.
These post office bosses need to be jailed, what they did to people was criminal
There needs to be a Police investigation to ascertain which people acted illegally and in particular those who knowingly lied in court when giving evidence.
Prosecutions can then follow.
@@jjefferyworboys8138There is.
A lot of apologies. I wonder if the faults with horizon being acknowledged would have affected bonuses
Asset stripped with bailif called
Trouble is the Rev Paula's and her buddies have moved on. These are new bums on seats.
Just more proof that privitisation is nothing more than a criminal racket.
Yup and still ppl think thatcher and Reagan were amazing! As if! ✌
Gangsters run through Westminster and all of their friends. It / they are a cult and are against the public.
Put postmasters on the remuneration committee? 😳😳🤔🤔
The Post Office is state-owned, so by your logic, it's actually proof that nationalisation is nothing more than a criminal racket.
New Labour has no plans to change this.
Every postmaster wants these idiots in jail!!
We want Justice
And the vast majority of the British public too
sack them and make them pay it all back, all bonuses from day 1 of their employment. Then re-nationalise the post office.
@mclingo1300....excellent idea!
These bosses are inept at their jobs but the money for them keeps pouring in for nothing exceptional.
100% correct.
No arrest them then put them in prison like the innocent postmasters who lost everything.
I remember the days when even letters with incomplete addresses were delivered somehow. My recent post went AWOL after going into the box.. ...can you get through to complain...NO. something always not working with that.. so no bonuses please. Customer Service is non existent.
yes
Weird how these errors always lead to bosses getting massive bonuses...but never the workers.
Got to wonder where all the money they stole from there own employees went, these employees they made pay the shortcoming that were falsely created by there faulty IT system, hundreds of thousands of pounds, they bankrupt these people....
Where did all this Money go !..... likely answer... in the pockets of the bosses that covered up this massive issue spanning over 20yrs!!!
clown big bonuses post office pay cut
bosses take a pay cut
and promotions.local council roundabouts always lead to increased pay/bonuses
What's bets Paula Vennels couldn,t give a flying F**K about loosing her " Honour", but prison time and loosing her I'll gotten wealth would serve the public better!.
Bunch of crooks. These type of criminals are never found guilty so the corruption gets worse and worse and worse.
true. In Hungary it looks like this:
Opposition MP: Why did this and that happen?
Government official: Just because.
Minister: You should first disclose how you could afford buying a pencil in 1986!!!
PM: Merry Christmas!
When they are caught they just apologise and carry on regardless. The guy in this video is an arrogant bastar*d who isn’t fit to hold his position. No wonder the postal workers detest him.
Thieving, lying weasels.
this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,
Darren jones is absolutely brilliant can see right through these criminals
Come on people darren jones for PM
Paying themselves excessive bonuses while the people they wrongly accused of fraud went to jail, lost their houses, their livelihood and some even their lives. What's more they knew the Post Office accounting system was flawed and broken but they persisted in prosecuting the post masters. Why aren't these corporate executives serving time in prison?
If this was a perceived, 'low level' public servant, i.e., Police Constable, etc, would they have been prosecuted for 'mischievance in public office' or similar? Secondly, how can such supposedly intelligent high office individuals so easily miss such obvious errors? Thirdly, have they voluntarily repaid their bonus?
The upper levels of this organisation should be fined ,stripped of their job and pension rights ,sued by all t(e postmasters for false allegations that led to their life changing ordeal ,,,,they can’t get the time back or the job to which they loved all because of a form of embezzlement at the cost of workers life’s and jobs they trusted the Royal Mail in
like prison food
They used the money they got off these innocent people to pay themselves the bonus,
The Government should be held to account for allowing the obscene greed & criminality to continue in the Post Office, what happened to corporate responsibility ,that was obviously all hot air
I liked the way he made the point that the Post Masters, who hadn't actually done anything wrong, weren't given the option of just apologizing, yet the people paying themselves huge bonuses wrongly think it's fine for themselves to just apologize.
Massive contrast there isn’t there!
It’s a shame Darren didn’t actually say the words, so it’s one rule for you and another rule for the postmasters
Exactly!
So many people in positions of power are absolutely tone deaf on that matter, only interested in saving their own skins and not actually helping all the people wrongly accused. Even after he said that about the people wrongly accused not being given the chance to just apologise, the last woman still went ahead and put out her lip service apology with no meaning behind it
It's the way the human race has evolved. Look after number 1.
Most of us commenting would probably take advantage if fortunate enough to be in the same situation.
I'm not justifying their actions, just highlighting what a sad world we live in.
Everyone who apologized just made themselves a bigger target. Thats what i think
This MP is brilliant. He grills them well and truly.... why don't we have more like him?
Because there aren’t many politicians with legal experience to know how to examine and cross-examine witnesses.
Let alone politicians who even care enough the study a situation fully enough to know what questions to ask be they ex lawyers or not
Because many politicians are of the same ilk as these thieving bastards!
He does his job impeccably 👍
He’s incredibly smart, check him out on Wikipedia. He’s too highly qualified to be an MP in reality, although has now reached very senior positions. In reality he could be making a large amount of money as a private lawyer instead. He’s impressive to watch and listen to
Can grill them all he wants but it's not a court and they all walk away with the big bonus an a smile on there faces. Absolutely pointless
Stop bloody apologising this pissed me off.
Put them in prison nothing justifies what they have done.
They all talk buls##t.
Let's be clear, they tried to push through a lucrative bonus without going through the appropriate process. It's fraudulent and unacceptable and "apologies" are meaningless.
Sorry 2 months later, but they did push it through and did get the payments!
To be fair, he didn't say what he was sorry for. I imagine that he was sorry that they got caught out.
And when do WE get the money stolen back ?
100% , charged and monies taken back off them. Hollow apologies, eat humble pie and then jet off to their villa in France. White collar criminals
Absolutely Mark but have they returned their bonuses 😮
How these people have not been prosecuted is beyond belief
British justice is a joke. This is normal. Talk talk talk that's it guaranteed.
In many other countries the penalties would have been severe. Error or no error…
I wonder what percentage salary increases they got too?
Because only the little people get prosecuted.
@@markhusinka4952 ⬅Dalit
I’m ashamed of this country, time and time again people in power just don’t care about the common person, the amount of scandals we have had for decades, these people should be held accountable for their actions, strip them of their money, and send them to jail, I’m so angry how they get away with it, we need a REVOLUTION!!!
Its circular, there are still leaders. Simply enforce the system to bring them to enquiries. Good to have this on camera, we the public need to keep this up and the press
The wrong people are in control of everything. Nothing will change until enough of us wake up to this and say NO and are willing to do something about it. Easy enough for me to type this into a keyboard but in today's world I can't see enough people waking up.
Remember the lies perpetrated by these traitors in government about the "Safe and effective vaccine", Here's some info if you weren’t aware
Definition in dictionary’s prior to September 2021....a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce IMMUNITY to a specific disease, PROTECTING the person from that disease
After September 2021 this was altered to....A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.
Two very different definitions....lie upon lie upon obfuscation followed by more lies....Nuremberg 2.0...This'll probably get censored but they can't censor us all YET!!! More evidence of these blatant Corporate enemies of the people...KHUNTS.
The leadership in this country has been rotten for years. Self-serving, self-sustaining, Labour or Conservative (elections make no difference); if you're 'in the club', they'll 'see you right'. Golden hellos, golden goodbyes... these people are never called to account, they'll never apologise, meanwhile the workers continue to get screwed, and blamed.
Revolution? NO THANKS. I'm going to vote Labour instead
Both the post office bosses and the crooked MPs who should have had oversight should be in prison
this happens worldwide, i worked for many years in South African gold mines and saw on many occasions how gold bullion figures were altered to say there was more gold dispatched than what really was so that the top brass get a bigger bonus while we artisans who kept the gold plant running, some months never even received our bonuses, the top knobs received massive bonuses, same as the Telekom company in SA, they work at a loss but the CEO gets millions of SA Rands a year bonus,
Agree fully
"Why do you need a bonus to do your day to day job when you're compensated handsomly" couldnt agree more
@@tabularasa7775it's more mental you don't think it is.
@@tabularasa7775 you really do have a spurious grasp (at best) on the subject being discussed. Maybe save yourself the future embarrassment and save your opinions for your kids?💋
The Post Office committed perjury in court by stating that in each case "this is an isolated incident " They knew there were hundreds of cases .
Did they actually say that in court or just to the Post Masters themselves ?
It's also sickening that the National Federation of Subpostmasters, notionally the victims' trade union, parroted the line, and threw their members under the bus.
Because or they had 1000 separate courts or the court has no memory about their full time job?
For everything that they were going through to be told that 'they were the only ones' must have added insult to injury. You must have felt like that you were going mad! There CEO's will walk off into other jobs and come away with a nice pension. Makes me so angry!.
As a postman of 36+ years I am ashamed that these people who are paid massive salaries are corrupt. Whether it be in the Post Office or Royal Mail there should be a police and public inquiry as the corruption is staggering.
These CEOs that are so greedy that once they’re caught they think saying sorry makes it right. They have no shame. They should be jailed!!
Well done Darren Jones for again showing these fraudsters up for what they really are.
These public servants are just on the gravy train, the government gives money and their hand digs into the money pit and leaves virtually nothing left for services.
@@ronaldmasters1225 Although I was against privatisation, once it happened me & a lot of my colleagues thought the business would get better. It’s got 100 times worse and the company’s been run by people who think they own it.
The CEO who brought it to his knees, resigns then still gets his wages, bonuses, help to reintegrate into another job. A package over £500,000 shows why this company is in a mess.
There needs to be a police & Government inquiry into the corruption of Thompson, Williams, McAuley & the whole board who must’ve agreed to it.🤬🤬
@arnoldrimmer4833 Absolutely not. If they got away with it this year they would’ve taken more the following years.
How Western Corporations work nowadays. CEO fails get's golden handshake then moves to a different CEO position rinse and repeat.
Excuses they give are always corporate bullshit, 'we're sorry', we had other priorities we screwed up and then it wasn't our fault we paid external consultants to tell us how we could make more money personally and then we voted on it personally. Metrics told us other Corps were doing it so we thought we could get away with it too.
We made mistakes we failed but we'll keep our jobs despite they fact if a lowly worker had made similar mistakes we'd have sacked them.
Same when a scandal occurs 'should never have happened we're sorry but now we now about it we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again' - it happened on your watch the first time which to me implies you aren't worthy of the position in the first place because if you cared it wouldn't have happened to that extent in the first place.
If they wanted to do the right thing why even offer 'incentivisation' in the first place. You get paid to do a job do it... Only the little people get screwed as always.
@@alphaomega1328 I agree 100%, it’s happening all over. Failure for these people is classed as success as they make millions & walk into another job. It’s time this country punished these people & the only way they can do that is financially. Ahh wait a minute the corruption is right at the heart of this government so how can we penalise them without penalising ourselves. 🤔🤔
This shouldn't be a parliamentary committee, this should be a criminal court
What's sickening is that these fraudsters will all have, or already have, highly paid jobs, even though they have proved themselves to have enjoyed a financial bonus, awarded to themselves, by themselves.
Apologies are cheap,they should be in jail having paid back the bonus with interest.
Jailing the small guys while the CEOs issue an apology. Tory Britain.
@@ABRAM_BEATS doubt it, they donate to the tories no doubt.
There’s billions missing in fraud and Rishi Sunak is prosecuting the small guys.
@@ABRAM_BEATSNope. Unless sued or criminally charged.
always the case
Yep, one of my friends went down for two years over this, he's never said what or if he'd had any compensation, infact he won't talk about it.
@@Alex-vf6qigood guys lol
As a common man you can clearly see they are lying , it’s like watching naughty children talking to their mother . Pathetic and embarrassing for the country
There's a class of people whose second nature is lying and deception, it's mad how they all scratch each others backs most of the time until one of them steps too far out of line.
Exactly what I was thinking
Like naughty children with their hand in the cookie jar and then pretending that they weren’t sure what the rules were.
You are SO right.
I am so sickened by these people. Their blatant insincerity is utterly abhorent!
It's so interesting to see how it all works, though, isn't it. They are caught out bang to rights, but they're still able to talk the talk with the utmost assurance in their cut glass accents. This is really all it takes to become senior executives in business today. Moral probity: forget it!
Psychopaths caught red-handed, they know their excuses are feeble. The sincerity of all their apologies is so transparently fake. Galling on so many levels.
I am so impressed by the conduct and questioning of Darren Jones, his presence and commitment give me some confidence that justice may be done.
I’m really quite sure that when you’ve committed a crime, apologising for it doesn’t stop you from going to prison.
Except for politicians and bureaucrats it apparently is enough to just go “oh well I said sorry, let’s all just move on and get over it”.
Why do they need bonuses do their job? The post men at ground level should get all the bonuses as they actually do the work !
@christophery8927 His answer seemed to be:"because we had some work to do [so that's why we need huge bonuses]"
The posher the accent, the more immoral the person. 🤬
Ignorance of the law is no plea of excuse. For the little man.
Corruption at the highest level. We allow this with our taxpayers funding.
They are reflecting the shit poor government that we have
Our tax is for the rich to become richer
They must PAY THE BONUSES BACK!!! If they're not corrupt then they're simply wanting and substandard and DO NOT DESERVE ANY BONUSES. Give them to the families of the postmasters who committed suicide after being wrongly accused.
These criminals at the top of the post office should be in a criminal court not a inquiry.
Brilliant Labour MP - against a bunch of clever crooks- very used to cooking the books in their favour! The poor people who were wrongly accused and imprisoned for NOTHING, they stole NOTHING! This lot would fleece their mothers… shocking
They are not very clever actually
@@Bobbibouchersmumwasright Actually they are very clever, there bank accounts would verify that.
@@felbomber1948 loooooool man make money money does not make man… or prove ability … it’s usually birth name and privilege. Don’t get it confused Tory boy.
loooooool Man money does make you a man, a rich one, and it would certainly prove you had the ability to at the very least to be successful in making money, and who told you that its usually birth name, and privilege only that would make you well off, May be you should look at someone like Richard Branson, No university, did not finish Secondary school, has Dyslexia, started with magazine called Student, was failing so, Virgin mail orders records was born, and so on Man, By the way Tory Boy, wrong don't vote for Tory or Labour, don't need either Government, my self education, and poor family up bringing gave me the ability to succeed in business, its called self belief.
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"Errors were made" so the executives were paid handsome bonuses on false information. The executives were not so forgiving to the postmasters falsely accused of fraud by the Horizon IT scandal.
How many more cases of corporate criminality do we need to hear about, before these people are charged, jailed and stripped of their fraudulent bonuses. They are laughing at us.
They don't think they are going to jail. They do seem to be confident of that. It does need to be jail time.
It'll keep happening until its punished
Genuinely sickening. They can't even manage a sincere apology. Disgusting individuals, barely human. And they see no need to resign. Utterly revolting.
@@MrRufus302 Sadly, you don't know the UK legal system. To answer your question, the last person I saw to resign from what they thought was an untenable position was Lord Charrington in 1982. He was foreign secretary and failed to forsee the Argentine invasion of the Falklands.
Nowerdays, as we have seen on both sides of the Atlantic, almost nothing will prevent people like Johnson and Trump doing anything they want to. It didn't always be that way, but is now.
We even have Truss giving after-dinner speeches and her views reported in the media when she alone almost destroyed the UK economy in 43 days, and her actions have resulted in thousands of people losing their homes.
While tracking the poor postal workers who are not walking fast enough and then intimidating them. This COUNTRY STINKS!
@@stephenreeds3632 imho too many people at the top see us at the bottom as ignorant lazy uppity slaves who need them to ‘incentivise’ us to work harder for longer to pay for their privilege.
Their word is their bond, their status is all they need to be believed, and an apology erases all ’mistakes’, whereas the workforce and customers at the bottom are routinely hounded, ruined and jailed.
Look at our water, electricity, public transport, the TV license thugs, the PPE profiteering, the list is endless and we all know about it, but apparently only if a TV drama shows it to the world will they be shamed enough to even acknowledge that there may be ‘issues’.
But the bonuses, rewards and accolades flow anyway. It’s sickening.
These apologies are garbage. Put all of these corrupt officials in jail... 🤦🏻♂️
Wow. Never has it been clearer that a group of people are lying through their teeth. Even the fake apologies were obviously rehearsed 🤦♂️
When people like these begin their testimony with an apology then you know they are guilty.
Darren Jones is a bloody hero. We need more like him. Keep it up, Mr Jones, the people are watching.
Apparently a top shagger too
Check what expenses he claimed before you state how honourable and honest he is.
What expenses did he claim, please?@@cheistiandunn7988
@@cheistiandunn7988 you insinuate that there’s something amiss with his expenses. I’ve just taken a look, both the IPSA website and his own. Seems open and above board to me.
Who were the EXTERNAL advisers who signed this crap off? Name and shame them. Then prosecute them for not picking these mistakes up.
What a Brilliant Labour MP
Darren Jones. Excellent work again.
@@mikel8850 you must be joking , he asks questions no one else thinks of ...
Very well spot on by exposing the corruption.
@@mikel8850 Found the tory panicking that his party is going down the shitter
Darren Jones to head future enquiries across government and corporate life ... Pin them down..
The only thing he didn't say was if it wasn't deliberate what are a bunch of incompetent fools doing in positions at board level in the post office
Dont you just wish that all MPs were as honest and as professional as this man.
You won't get far in politics being honest and professional
ETHICS IS THE MOST NOBEL STANCE ON EARTH
@@BrianMorrisPhoto and the poorest too
I like this politician, he’s bright ,has done his homework and is taking no nonsense !
Bravo.
I've always asked why ANY executive of any company should be given vast bonuses on top of their salary for simply doing their job?
Does this mean they need an incentive for doing the job better, and without that incentive would do it worse??
This is shocking, it needs to be pushed out into the mainstream media. It's clearly highly innapropiate behavioir by those at the highest level in the Post Office. The MP is absolutely fantastic.
Shocking how easily these men were prepared to prosecute "innocent" post office people.
.. and WOMEN.
Why do you put the word 'innocent' in inverted commas? These decent sub-postmasters and sub-postmistresses didn't just claim to be innocent. They _were_ completely innocent of any wrongdoing.
Darren Jones is precisely the kind of MP this country needs. His decisive, tenacious and principled approach to unravelling the layers of corruption amongst the Post Office Board members and the Tory Party is admirable. Excellent work.🙌🙌🙌🙌
He has his work cut out for him with the Tory party.
Enough of that shit, the Post Office was just as bad under the last Labour Government as well.
Everyone talks a good game about how the other side is dropping the ball but no one is better than the other, Labour are in no position to criticise anyone about mismanagement of money given their last turn almost crashed our economy, never mind the billions spent on a fake war by Blair.
Unions are to blame here, in bed with Labour who need their support, in league with the Tories to keep the peace.
Don't be fooled by people like Mick Lynch who get paid fortunes to feign horror at the plight of the workers only to do backroom deals at the eleventh hour to stave off disaster knowing full well part of those deals is not to question bonuses until the next pre-planned upheaval.
It's all bullshit, smoke and mirrors to keep the masses suitably enraged for short bursts to let the majority of underhand stuff slip under the radar.
Except that neither party is that much different. We need a new election system where individual votes count, rather than manipulating everybody to think a vote for a new party is a wasted vote. Why are we any different than a dictatorship if we only have 2 parties that are very similar in policies?
@@secret7jhkjhjkhkjh747while I agree we need a new system with more competition, the current Conservative party is CLEARLY worse than Labour, hands down.
Name one thing Labour has been found legally guilty of that's worse than Partygate, the illegal Rwanda scheme, lying to parliament, lying to the Queen, breaking the Good Friday Agreement, breaking Human Rights laws, etc.
I don't understand why he would not be a suitable candidate for PM@@MrRufus302
Cracks me up that these people are calling fraud and corruption errors
These are despicable people, Sadly all too common in large businesses who assume they are entitled to huge bonuses without scrutiny. The only thing these people are sorry about and find "unfortunate" is that they are sat in front of a Parliamentary committee having to blame their way out of being caught. They should be in a criminal court but I doubt that will ever happen.
It’s not just businesses, it’s Civil Servants who have spending taxpayers’ money access ability. This is why it’s kept out of the courts.
Darren Jones is definitely a rising star of Labour. The sooner he's given a position on the shadow front bench the better.
Sounds like he is in the wrong party
He is on the shadow front bench. He’s shadow chief sec to HMT. Starmer loves him, he’s put forward on sky news breakfast every week by him as Labour rep spokesman.
Utter disgrace that these people can get away with making all these errors and still receive their bonuses. Clearly, they are lying through their teeth! The poor little Postmasters whose lives were wrecked still fight to get compensation!
And the post office employees have to pay legal costs to get their compensation.
If this is British justice then it's time for a big reset. Errors, apologies and mistakes!! Criminal courts cases are the only solution to stop this disgraceful state of affairs.
Errors would be one thing, but this is way, way beyond errors.
If I was so prone to (self-serving) errors, I'd be out of a job. But it's a different story for the bosses.
"This should never have happened, and lessons have been learned.".....they get paid massive bonuses for false accounting.....THATS FRAUD
How Darren maintains composure dealing with the detritus he's required to interview in these committees is astounding! He's also as sharp as a razor. Bravo!
Yeah, it is an impressive ability he has. You can tell he holds these people in contempt but he behaves with dignity.
He was an excellent solicitor before he became an MP
Pity as good as DJ obviously is, the end result is mostly rhetoric from the rats he interviews.
He’s one of the best if not thebest
Only postmasters go to prison. Not Tory stooges.
They get promoted again and again, falling upwards.
It seems only the plebs get Criminal prosecutions.
Better to say Political Stooges, they are all bloody corrupt.
A blatant crime has been committed here. During Mondays debate on the privileges report, many honest MPs stood to point out the ridiculousness of the commons rules that punish people for calling out lying far more than they punish those who deliberately lie. The same is in evidence here, if you were under police investigation or up in court, a plea of "I deeply apologise and will do better next time" does not exist, but these people knew they could do this, take their slap on the wrist and pocket tens of millions in taxpayer cash. Its happening here, its happening in the rail companies, its happening everywhere this corrupt government and their private sector cronies can get their grubby little hands on.
The union needs to be investigated as well as the previous Chairman of the post office
Corporate corruption, if they were that SORRY, PAY THE BONYS BACK. THEIR "APOLOGIES " MEAN NOTHING.
Some of these CEOs need some prison time to help them to realise what terrible people they are!
But they apologised for the fraud, sorry, errors…
ALL of those that lied need to go to prison
It infuriates me when these people start with an apology, as if it exonerates them of any wrong doing…….
…..are they completely immune to any kind of reproach? They knew what they were doing and there so bloody arrogant that they never thought they’d be found out……………..they should feel the same shame, embarrassment and hardship that those that were wrongly accused.
The eyes have it!
The fact that the Post Office support center told them "they were the only ones" shows they were lying!!! I feel this is enough evidence, proof that they knew and were up to no good!!! Absolutely shameless, disgusting actions!!
Darren Jones is absolutely outstanding
I dont know this man but i completely love him. What a brain!
well you say that but if he was truely outstanding the inquiry wouldn't simply end and then forgotten. if in tommorows press it said that darren jones has reported a crime then i would agree but we all know that won't happen
Love him he takes no prisoners
If they're happy to apologise then they surely are acknowledging that they're at fault?
These corporations need to be held to account.
That will never happen they own the government
will never happen whilst you all vote
@@ABRAM_BEATSThey keep it. The payment was made.
Frankly, they should be sued and criminally charged, but they're no doubt good friends of Rishi & Co.
@@ABRAM_BEATS they get to keep it, whilst this they jailed get almost nothing, some suicides and even a pregnant woman was jailed ..... this is outrageous that they think they can just apologise and it all goes away but it will, that's excactly what will happen casue too many Brits are raging outside hotels rather than focusing on who is really responsible for our economic nightmare
isnt that what is literally going on in this video?
All involved in the scandal should be punished as they clearly ignored any claim of innocence by those they prosecuted.
These shysters must be taken to court and made to PAY BACK THE MONEY they have fleeced from the taxpayers. Just like THEY did to the innocent sub posties. 😡
Or see their day in court.
They need to go to jail.
That's what should be happening. Instead you get these ridiculous enquiries and committees which is really just a gravy train for bureaucrats and MPs to grandstand
I wish they would stop apologising because this has gone way too far for so long that an apology almost sounds like an insult. Who is this MP - seen him before he is great, he won’t let anyone get away with anything. We need more like him.
Brilliant straight talking man pity there were not more like him a decent man not many around Greed corruption rule in this world
Darren Jones MP. (Labour, Bristol North West) I agree - a fine mind and motivated by doing the right thing for the country, unlike the recent Conservative government which stood for nothing but maintaining their own power indefinitely and lining their mates' pockets all the while, by the look of what was going on at the Post Office, the PPE scandal VIP lane beneficiaries, etc etc. Luckily for the Conservatives a very high proportion of the country are either ignorant of politics, or thick, or both, and that means they can be manipulated by this "one weird trick" called lying. Voters cannot tell the difference between politicians who lie and those that tell the truth, and as we can see from the likes of Johnson, Truss and their like there are no consequences for incompetence or lying. They deploy a lie that privatisation is a good thing (it is for the rich, but not for the vast majority of us) and we all go along with it. Idiocy.
I think what disgusts me most is the mantra that in order to get people to do their jobs properly and honestly they need to be 'incentivised' & 'motivated' by being offered large sums of money. It seems to me that anyone who is 'incentivised' or 'motivated' to work in a proper manner by such offers must be a thoroughly dishonest, greedy, irresponsible and shameless person. I am no longer working full-time, but were I doing so, I should feel insulted by such an offer. One notices that it is not the ordinary worker who is thought to need 'incentivising' and 'motivating' in this way, but only those oh, so civilised and well-spoken creeps at the top. What wholly disgusting and contemptible people they are.
Except if you’re in a lowly position and then you work best when your wages are being cut. Heads I win, tails you lose
@@crayontom9687 Bloody right!
It's amazing, isn't it? And these same cretins expect their lowest paid employees to suck up their pay cuts and harsh punishments as if they aren't the ones doing all the legwork... These oligarchs are vile.
I've never expected a yearly bonus for doing my job as a nurse.
Absolutely, one rule for them one rule for us.
It’s absolutely disgusting. It’s a crime happening right in front of our faces and nothing will be done about it at all because we are living in a two tier society. Laws and rules only apply to certain people…
The remuneration these executives are paid, I fail to see why they should then be granted a bonus! I find it appalling that senior executives in within the Post Office management feel it’s morally acceptable to take these bonuses when the sub postmasters were treated to such a massive miscarriage of Justice. They are still waiting for a full discharge of their convictions, and full compensation.
This executive offer ‘regret and a full apology! These individuals must face Criminal Charges, loss of their homes, pensions and any other bonuses or public awards.
I find it interesting they claim, “There was no intent”. That is a fact for a jury to determine. I hope they face a full trial and face public exposure.
One rule for them another for the lowly minions. Grotesque.
Reminds me of the parent and child relationship.
This MP is absolutely brilliant and so thorough. All these hollow apologies- imagine trying to line your pockets in with public funds for doing what you ought to have done. There are clearly several of them who should be held accountable for false accounting. This is not a mistake there would be too many people who are thoroughly incompetent.
Darren Jones restores my faith in politicians.
He's great
The scale of corruption at the top of British politics and business is staggering !!
It's certainly not unique to the UK and in comparison to many countries they are saints.
Yes...and the arrogant nits are so self righteous. Get a posh job and think you are above everyone.
If the Labour Party had more MP’s like Darren Jones, I’d vote for them in a heartbeat. He’s intelligent, tenacious and the sort of politician you’d want running the country !!
Best around, no misleading flim - flam, straight to the point, he can identify the disingenuous dialogue, and shred it mercilessly. The amount of pathetic apologies here, from people who knew they were deceitful at the time is Jones' meat and drink. Want to see much more of him.
I was just thinking the same thing
Future prime minister one day hopefully 🤞🏻
These buggers ruined people's lives,but they got massive bonuses for doing so!scandalous.
So basically, they wrote their own incentive scheme to reward themselves!!
Same with the U.S. Federal Government & public corporate executives.
I may be, and I try not to be(!) biased as he’s my MP, but this guy comes across and the strongest; straightest, most competent person in parliament. Colour me lucky!
Why does it seem like any/all high paid posisions in national roles are incompetent or corrupt??
Nepotism seems the most likely cause. Also, class preference exists still.
Because they are chosen from a very limited of pool of old school tie wearers and close chums.
@@priscillaroberts7945 exactly. We said the same thing but I think you’ve said it better than me.
Privatised roles
freinds of the tory party
Probably the most Competent MP in all Uk... Congratulations, cheers 🍻
I am just about to vote labour in Scotland for my first ever time, I can only hope my MP is like Darren Jones, I would be delighted
Darren Jones MP is without doubt my political hero!!!!!!!
The people in charge of the post office at this time should face prosecution on the basis of how badly they have inflicted criminal prosecution and life changing decisions on normal people just trying to do a good job. Its scandalous and these people should be held to account!
This MP should be allowed to conduct more meetings like this,he is the best and most un biased enquirer I have ever seen.Well done sir.
How shockingly sickening it is to hear this.
These folk sent people to prison (others committed suicide ) for theft and false accounting AFTER they knew that their sub postmasters were operating a faulty software system that could mess up the accounts. Lock em up!
A proper Police investigation is needed, not trail by media,
@@jjefferyworboys8138hillsborough tried police 30 plus years ago…the governments can sweep anything under a carpet even manslaughter/murder!
@@jjefferyworboys8138the police have been investigative for a half decade, yet all this bombshell evidence is from the media
No consequences as always for the elite
Hate the word elite. Not elite just asshats
Nothing elite about them
@@fgcpeak9591 only in the sense they have most of the money and power
Sums up the UK .
Absolutely horrific for the victims. Take bonuses away from management and director's and award the bonuses to the postmasters. Compensation will more than likely come from taxpayers pockets. Disgraceful state of affairs.
Signing off your own bonus should be illegal and there should be mechanisms in place to get that money back by legal enforcement when wrongdoing is found.
In summary, they messed up, therefore they needed a bonus to incentivise them to fix their mistakes? Absolutely unbelievable, their apologies mean nothing. This is corruption in its truest form, and they were willing to sacrifice the actual workers on the shop floor for their own greed. They're only sorry they got found out.
To get the rich to work, offer them more.
To get the poor to work harder, offer them less.
Sorry are just words means nothing for what those people went through.He should be in prison.Shame on him.
Just love the labour minister thrashing whoever he is dealing with. He is absolutely fantastic ....thank you.
And now they apologise, if only they meant it.
If someone is hired to do a job, and a salary is agreed beforehand, why on earth should they be handed bonuses for doing their jobs? And calling it "going above and beyond" is nonsense. All employers expect their employees to go above and beyond.
I receive a bonus for choosing to do more, sometimes I don't do more so I don't get a bonus.
@@SimplySketchyGT Have you tried doing less?
does that mean if they make no bonus then no effort will be given this is just fkn crazy
@@stuartmelville5684you do realise these people aren’t on minimum wage right? They literally don’t need bonuses
@@adornorecords3150 i was being either sarcastic or facetious lol sorry dude
I worked in the criminal courts for many years but doubt if I ever met a bigger crook than those employed by the Post Office
Really? Heard of Fifa?
The bosses at the water companies, and energy companies that are ripping the uk off
Greed, greed, corruption, lies and greed. What a surprise.
Tory Britain
The irony...Post Office convicting innocent people of false accounting, destroying their lives and reputation, are themselves found to be guilty of false accounting
We all know that none of these creatures will be jailed. They all look after each other. How apologetic are they when caught red handed.
We all know it shouldn't have happened but it did! When are people going to pay the price and repay the bonuses for their errors and those who were knowingly dishonest go to jail.
Why is Blair silent?
@@PollieBrooon-cz5yg stop deflecting about blair those people above should be jailed there is enough evidence.
When they are forced to, and not before.
So apologies given but massive bonus still taken. They judge themselves for bonuses!!
The poor families who suffered in the computer disaster were slaughtered by similar types to this CEO yet get nothing. What utterly despicable behaviour.
Darren jones needs a medal from the people for his work, incredible