Post Office Board knew about Horizon system flaws and exclusive document show insurers were alerted
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- As the Post Office Inquiry continues to hear testimony, more and more details are coming to light about who knew what when.
Back in 2019, the Post Office spent at least a-hundred-million pounds still defending the Horizon system when more than five hundred subpostmasters won their landmark settlement.
Tonight, we’ve seen documents that appear to show that the Post Office Board was aware of the Horizon system's failures back in 2013 - indeed it was so worried about a potential miscarriage of justice that it alerted its insurers.
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Knowing about the Horizon faults but then continuing prosecutions is surely a criminal act
Hopefully the inquiry will decide that is the case
Tye gov are also scamming people out of their benefits money. They record fake earnings to stop paying benefits among other crafty tricks. They are stealing from the poor. Swiping the plate from peoples children
Lying under oath?
@@seang2700wow. Malicious prosecution is civil? Would you claim damages from the post office or from individual officers?
Conspiracy to commit fraud I would hope.
Everyone involved in this needs to go to prison,
Exactly
I suspect they'll have died of old age before that ever happens sadly.
100%
100%
Nobody will go to jail despite all this. Not one.
Lee Casteton. The man who believed in the British judicial system and represented himself in court. The system made sure that he was made into an example by bankrupting him and unfairly making him pay all of the courtroom costs. This is what the system does when you have the audacity to stand up for justice and yourself. You must be made into an example so that others don't dare do the same.
Don't Ever Forget That one of the Post Office's senior legal officers Mandy Talbot sent a "Round Robin" email stating that The Castleton Case should be used to send a powerful signal to other Sub Postmaster's who might be "Jumping on the Horizon bandwagon" !
All of then need to go to jail ASAP!
@@nicholaskelly1958 F**c all is going to happen to them.
@82vitt Agreed! Those responsible never get indicted let alone charged
@@82vitt I Hope That You Are Wrong.
I Fear That You Are Right!
@@nicholaskelly1958sorry nicholaskelly my knowlege of youtube is poor .you are not naive you are correct noone is going to jail.i am an OAP and all my years have given me expetiance of how the establishment look after itself.the tory mp who is now z tory mp certainly has changed his spots.seemed to go soft on vennels.
It wasn't about protecting the "Post Office " it was about protecting the Board Members of the Post Office their bonuses , the high wages & in Venells case Honours , there are others in this very nasty game of Criminality & they need to face criminal prosecution
NAME AND SHAME THEM ALL - publish the full list of all those involved.
@henryj.8528 If Fujitsu could get in there and meddle with the PO accounts, then might there also be a possibility that money was taken via that route?
Boycott womble bond dickinson globally
Isn't that true of all boards - unfortunately? I would add protect them from accusation too.
Those responsible need to be held 100% accountable. They should be forced to match all fines out of their own pockets and match all prison time suffered.
Plus interest.
Don't forget the suicides (would that count as manslaughter?) and the stress induced illnesses.
@@turnip1stewCorporate mans!aught€r???
As well as jail time the fines they are given should force them into bankruptcy. There’s lots of things a bankrupt can never do/ ever take part-in.
Double it.
I’m watching this unfold in my home country from Canada. It’s horrific. This is a degree of institutional, conspiratorial evil I can barely comprehend.
Why are you surprised ?
Britain's institutions are corrupt. They always protect themselves
People can be really really horrible. Lawyers and businessmen are animals.
Same with the shots
its quite normal unfortunately most stories like this go ignored
It affects TV, newspapers, government, civil service, Post Office (board, management, lawyers, accountants), Fujitsu, judiciary - Whole UK establishment is ruined by a computer system, incompetent management, useless government & parliament, lazy media - most had embarrassed cover ups that snowballed - scandal is more far reaching than we know.
Being a ex subpostmaster....proud that i was a pilar of my comunity FOR 21 YEARS witching this BREAKS MY HEART...AND I AM ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS!!!!
I can see why…the destroyed lives of so many people ,who will pay the price…some pathetic scapegoat?
I feel the same way being a retired RN and the covid business.
@@Pete-z6e just like the captain on the ship that hit the FSK bridge. Betcha management didnt want to hear about the problems with the engines.
Way back in the day when I worked for the telecommunications side of NZ Post Office, the advice we had was "don't do anything that you wouldn't want plastered over the front page of the NZ Herald". I cannot fathom the stupidity of the Post Office CEO lying to parliament, and the Post Office Board burying the issue.
I cannot fathom the stupidity of the Post Office CEO lying to parliament either.
Money makes people do stupid stuff.
Also, it's the British way innit? These are upper class rich folks and they literally can get away with murder. Bung a mil at the Tory party funds and suddenly you're untouchable and in line for some very lucrative contracts or future "consultancies". The class system here is as robust as it has ever been since Victorian times..
The difference is that, in NZ, you don’t have a boy’s club running the country.
@@ldf4064 Boys being the operative word. Boys doing a man's job
The only people in the UK who think the board of the post office doesn't deserve prison, must be the PO board. But even then, they should be bankrupted. All of them. This turns what was a scandal into showing just how evil these people are. Awful.
Even they know they deserve prison sentences, that's why they won't admit what they did, they need to convince themselves they didn't do what they plainly did.
None will be prosecuted
@@michaelmcginley7930 They'll find a patsy but it will be a grunt down the chain not the leadership
"I apologise unreservedly"
"Oh, that's alright then. I hope you've learned something.'
'Yes, don't get caught.''
I agree.
Apologies count for nothing unless they come BEFORE the apologist is caught.
Wish if i robbed a bank i could say sorry escape prison and keep the money.
The running theme throughout on the parts of Fujitsu & the Post Office is cowardice ...These people didn't have the moral backbone to admit they knew of the Horizons IT problems, but yet they had the spitefulness to pursue sub-postmasters...
I read that poor Lee Casterton featured being interviewed by Tomo was hounded for an incorrectly perceived owed sum of £25k, with the Post Office spending a staggering £320,000.00 in legal & case costs just to prosecute him to a final conviction....absolute sheer spitefulness & acts of revenge.
That says it all...
The PO prefered to spend more on lawyers to prosecute innocent sub-post officers, than admit the truth and pay compensation!!!!
There needs to be criminal charges for individuals as well as the organisations involved. You cannot believe a single word that the Post Office says and they have covered it up for years.
I absolutely agree that complicit lawyers should be held accountable at the post office and other companies who are abusing staff and customers. It is widespread and systematic.
Yeah
You British?
I do not understand why a police investigation is not underway now. The Inquiry was never set up as a prosecutorial function and has no bearing on any punishment that may be utilised. The authorities should be speaking to Vennells , Crichton , Parker , and others as they were at the heart of the decisions being made at crucial times. There were individuals before this and there are certainly questions for Fujitsu to answer but the time is here for these investigations to begin , justice must be served.
The police are investigating.
because richer people hurting poorer people is never investigated
@@jamjarthecat4205 “investigating” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. The same police that beat peaceful protestors and rape women as they walk home at night. The corruption at the Met is well documented. How can we have any hope of a corrupted police force properly investigating a corrupted entity owned by a corrupt government?
There WILL be a small handful of scapegoats prosecuted eventually but a few years after the Inquiry ends next year.
Just more money wasted, after the obscene costs of 1,000 PO false prosecutions, immoral PO defences, Inquiry, insulting compensations, police investigations then more trials. A black hole of public funds for 30 years.
Like the Nuremberg trials, not all camp guards and wrong-doers were prosecuted or convicted or jailed.
The right thing to do would be for all those proven to be complicit is to take their assets under the proceeds of crime act, put them in prison and then compensate the victims
I believe in rehabilitation; prisons should be humane and people should receive education and training. Usually. But I would like to see Stephen Bradshaw breaking rock on Dartmoor.
Absolutely!
They ruined peoples lives so they should get to know what that feels like, people have suicided, others have lost everything.
I agree.
How many laws has Vennells broken. Perverting the course of justice. Duty of care. H& S legislation. Accounting laws. Theft of postmasters money. Corporate law & company accounts mis statements.
She needs to go to jail for a start along with the board fujitsu and insurers
But you can bet she won't. The aristocratic system is not dead in England. It's Just transformed into a new elite. The question is, are the English people going to take this lying down?
@@andrewthomas695 100% correct, nothing ever happens to the elites their above the law
@@FreeToSurvive It is not in the interests of insurance companies to pay out. A systematic example of a built in conflict of interest.
She will get a job as a Tory MP
20 years.
The post office board should now go to jail
They should placard their faces all over, name and shame them
Legislation is needed to reintroduce caning.
The lawyers who eagerly advised the PO in these abhorrent prosecutions need to be brought before court asap.
One morning, somebody senior at POL woke up and went in to work having decided they would take the fork in the road, marked "From now on, we're going to tell lies..." And that decision has ruined lives. They must be tracked down and made to pay.
Let this sink in ... Paula Vennells was paid £2,000 per day. She got her CBE "for services to the Post Office" because (and this is ironic) .. she took them from losing £120million and into profit.
Well, guess what? That 120 million she saved will be insignificant compared to the cost of this scandal. The PO already paid £130 million in legal fees and about the same in compensation.
I reckon there's at least another BILLION in compensation to come. Naturally us, the tax payer, will pick up the tab for this, because it's a Government owned company.
So we, the public, get shafted at both ends. False convictions at one end, paying for the cover-up at the other. Meanwhile the Execs were picking up millions and Honours.
Anyone who knew people were being convicted, whilst knowing evidence that would have proved them innocent was being withheld, needs to serve prison time.
What christian values did she uphold ?
@@davejordan4094 None that I can see.
@@alisonwilson9749 i ve watched much of the inquiry , and its horrendous , to listen to the evidence.
No accountability, no responsibility. No justice . No compensation.
This whole thing makes me livid.
The poor people who did nothing wrong but had to deal with horrendous miscarriage of justice. I feel deeply for them.
Having been in a situation where you know you are innocent but have no way to prove it and no one seems willing to listen is tremendously frustrating and is frankly crazy making.
The average post office worker deserves better. The service they provide is pretty damn good and they deserves better from the higher ups in terms of how they were treated and the tarnished name they carry with them when saying they work for the post office.
Disgraceful.
After the Post Office knew of Horizon failures in 2013 or sooner, they continued to prosecute postmasters up to 2015, and also seek cash repayments from postmasters up to 2019 .
UPDATE Post Office were continually told of bugs by Fujitsu from 1999 - so for ALL of their prosecutions.. So many different departments were involved with layers upon layers of dispersed responsibility, with a hard prosecutorial mindset.
That's right. Bugs were a feature of the Horizon system from the beginning. In fact, Horizon was so well known for having glitches that the Post Office had tried to oppose having to use the system. The system was initially ordered for use on something else, to manage the Government's benefits system, but this had to be abandoned because of its unreliability. Rather than drop the system completely as advised by some in government at the time, however, Tony Blair decided to ask Fujitsu to remake Horizon into a system for the Post Office. The Post Office tried to resist this but Tony Blair forced them to have it, and then over time PO and Fujitsu got used to dealing with the glitches remotely within their IT departments, while covering up in public.
@@gaz8891Why am I not surprised to hear Tony B Liar mentioned as part of this.
Absolutely disgraceful boss. Should be prosecuted and held accountable. So many life’s ruined and suffering. No amount of money can buy back the lost years.
The disclosure of board knowledge since 2013 as stated by Vennells lying to a parliamentary committee should mean gaol.
She should be in prison.
I agree gaol, A couple i knew ran a village post office and gave it up when this system was due to come in as they were not happy with how ot worked.
No chance. Paula Vennells has the Almighty on her side...
Words fail me!!! Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
The plot thickens on a daily basis.
@@amandamcauley It does, but that is of no help to our postmasters/mistresses. Why don't the Post Office just hold their hands in the air and admit that they have made one catastrophic mistake and tell the truth from now on? Fujitsu are starting to own up, but I suspect their Japanese masters are telling them to do so. This is a mess, but sadly you and me as taxpayers are footing the bill.
Oh yes, hasn’t begun yet
Our justice system stinks.. The PO board members have behaved appallingly, people killed themselves/!, They cared not a fig.. Injustice on all levels continues - ust look what they do to others to silence them.. I only wish people would be aware of the negligence by this ‘great country’ to its people…
The cover up is always worse than the first wrong. Why on earth the courts accepted as "independent experts" software engineers employed by the company which designed Horizon and had an obvious interest in protecting itself is astonishing.
From Miss Donna Marie Baff
I am a former librarian (from the 90's onwards) to Britain's nuclear Physicist and ambassador to Tokyo.
Presents proudly in Whos Who and sadly passed away in 2003.
For two decades very powerful people have used strategic ambiguity, dehumanisation tactics and so on to discredit myself and my family in order to conceal information/justice.
Thank you
Up until 18/6/07, I was a policy and procedures writer for homelessness in the not- for-profit housing sector.
Post is a service not a brand. It’s the oldest service in Britain and needs to be returned to the people.
There appears to be several instances of perjury to answer here.
The fact they told each sub postmaster they were the only ones having a problem is horrifying. They must have thought they were in The Trial (Kafka)
My father first told me about our local post office being closed for mysterious goings on.... Missing money, enquiry on, eight plus years ago, and to think that honours were given to someone in charge it sickens me to my stomach....why is only now it is coming out.... What with police corruption, and just about all other public offices, is there any faith or hope in anything anymore? I'm afraid the answer is no
There would appear to be strong evidence people and the organisation was involved in knowingly perverting the course of justice. Such behaviour cannot go unpunished.
Working in finance in the city I am constantly attesting to my professional standards and have to declare I have used sound judgment and confirm I adhere to the regulations (FCA & PRA) and the law. I find it incredible that other sectors do not have the same thorough controls especially around financial systems. If as is reported the PO Boards and their advisors knew about the crisis with Horizon and that the PO had been suing folks then they are complicit and must be brought to justice as must the government minster and department involved in oversight.
Millions of people have had a lucky escape here.
The Horizon system was sold to the P.O. when it was rejected by the organisation it was intended for - the GOVERNMENT.
It would have been running the benefits system.
There are more people who need to answer questions as well. Who authorised the 'backdoor' into the system, and who programmed it ?
As a former systems programmer, I can assure you 'computers' do NOT make mistakes - programmers do, either accidentally or deliberately.
Not being believed. Is the worst feeling.
💯 I was wrongly accused (unrelated). It took years before the actual truth came out and my innocence was categorically proven. By then, the damage to myself was already done. I suffer to this day
I think an investigation needs to be made into Post Office Insurance Services, with me catching COVID in 2022 while in Thailand and them leaving me stuck out here, they were impossible to deal with, tried to fly me back when COVID regulations meant I couldn't fly, then dropped me saying the period of insurance had run out.
I wonder how many cases there are similar to mine?
I don’t know if the problem you experienced is quite on the same scale as the Horizon scandal…
@@dezmundo1251 I'm not saying that it is, but if there has been a lot of others who have had similar problems with their Travel Insurance at least, it could be another way the Post Office has been ripping people off, because I certainly was by Post Office Travel Insurance...
The more they look the more worms they find. The PO directors must have been negligent and lazy and naive for this mess to have happened and for it to have been covered up. Some at the PO must have realised that it couldn't be kept secret for ever. The culprit's are making plans to retire to south America or a tropical island with no extradition treaty.
They may have apologised for the emails but they sounded incredibly insincere, they sounded more like they are sorry they were caught out just like every other apology others have made.
Seems like the whole affair has been to protect corporate interests, and I include the inquiry which is now getting in the way of immediate criminal prosecutions. How is Vennells still free, cycling, going to church, spending time with her family and friends? She should be in the dock.
Poof that Scotland Yard need to charge Post Office Board, CEO and Fujitsu for the 19 years of injustice...
Next public enquiry HMRC?
Or take your pick, really. Any national institution, public or private sector.
@brightphart er, far from nonsense.
Not diminishing, or intending to diminish, anything.
These people have suffered indescribably.
But they are the tip of the UK corporate misdemeanor iceberg.
As for evidence, it's all out there in plain sight - unless you just watch the BBC and read the Daily Mail.
People who covered up and lied at the post office and Fujitsu should face prosecution
Just like the Hillsborough families, these poor people will never have justice!
Gareth Jenkins (The Fujitsu employed Architect of the system) went to very extraordinary lengths to protect himself in this matter
I look forward to him giving evidence the the horizon Inquiry. I hope he gets Mr Beer- all the counsel for the inquiry are good, but Beer is brilliant.
@@alisonwilson9749 That would be perfect and fully justified for this case
In Paula Vennels's defense on taking over her position at the PO she was given a poison chalice already full to the brim. She had two choices, drink it and become part of the cover up or blow the whole thing open and destroy the PO. What a terrible position to be in. She took the former and easiest option in the hope that what had happened would never become public knowledge. The biggest blame for this debacle rests with senior managers and her predecessor.
Selling off the Royal Mail to stockholders was the biggest mistake, It used to be the Best postal service in the World, The UK is famous for selling off its business's to the highest bidder, then Brits suffer, Blame the politicians, they are not looking out for our better interests.
People MUST end up in prison for this. I’m so sick of corporations getting away with this sort of behaviour and no one facing jail time.
Only jail time for the PO board would come close to justice. But it won't happen.
dedoc7143 you are spot on it won't happen , unless the press and the media keep their shoulders to the wheel and put the government in a position that is impossible to wriggle out of , then they will produce scapegoats who they imagine are expendable and waltz off smirking as usual.
No, don't take away their freedom. They will have a short sentence. Instead, take all their money, their houses etc like they did with the postmasters.
@@jonelectronics510doing both would be real justice. Fingers crossed.
In the next few weeks/months it will be buried and everyone will forget.
They will never get justice,
So many people at the Post Office should be prosecuted. This is almost organised crime.
They keep going on about what’s happened but no one speaks about what will happen to all those involved in this hideous crime! They should throw them in prison
The post office targeted loss making post offices using the Fujitsu covert team to deduct money from individual accounts. Because sub post masters had franchise contracts, it was the only way to c
Remove & close them. Check how many stayed open after their post masters were prosecuted?? Its the only logical answer, no glitches just corporate corruption for their political masters.
Paula Vennells sent a CUTE email maybe 2017 or 2019 asking DID or WHEN did the Post Office find out of computer failures when in fact she was CEO since 2012. Incompetence or sly lying ?
Current CEO told Select Committee he does not know this after 4 years in post - believe him ?
The redress money and voiding convictions will not be over for another year or more !
The PO knew that there were problems with Horizon much much earlier than that.
I'm just gobsmacked that this was hidden for so long! It's so horrific!
Jenkins needs jailing for life...
The PO are looking for small fry to be sacrificial lambs. This went all the way to the top.
If so senior management seriously need gaoling.
@@jonahtwhale1779 He is not small fry and the potential legal remedy for perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment and an unlimited fine. However that is unlikely in this case, it is reserved for things like covering up a murder.
It seems he was a player, but he wasn't the instigator of all this. Don't make him the fall-guy. There are bigger fish who need their comeuppance. Remember, it was the Post Office who instigated all of this.
Until he gives his evidence we won't know for sure exactly how much responsibility he had. Some evidence the inquiry has found suggests that others may have pushed him into altering his statements in ways he wasn't happy with. And it seems that he may not have been told he was being used a an expert witness, nor how that changed his legal responsibilities to the Courts. Innocent till proven guilty, remember. At Hillsborough, some officers' statements were altered without their knowledge. We have to wait and see. And there were plenty of people senior to him who knew full well the system was faulty but covered that up- they should all be up for the jump.
This is so horrifying...the sheer cruelty of this behaviour - the pain and suffering caused is beyond belief while bonuses were handed out and a cover-up was continued.
Unconscionable. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Every time you put an e mail like that on screen the picture and name of the writer should appear
I think it does but avoid
So if the Post Office Board, knew of the problems, yet lied to parliament etc. about problems with the computer system problems. Who awarded the contract to Fujitsu, and were they taking kickbacks to select the Fujitsu product.
An often overlooked aspect of this is that it has also been privatised in the intervening years! In other words the motives for continuing the corruption cover up were, if anything, enhanced!
The board of directors doesn’t have a defense. If they feign ignorance, they’re effectively admitting negligence, if they acknowledge any level of awareness the entire house of cards falls in short order!
Apologies mean nothing if the wrongdoing was forced into the light by others.
The truth will always come out.Let the punishment fit the crime to the full extent of the Law
It's incredible how much perversion of justice has been carried out here and the apologies spurted out by all the culpable parties just feel fake!
They're sorry they've been found out, they're not sorry about what was done to any of the Postmasters.
In a weird way, what makes all this worse is the Post Office spent far far more on legal costs to prosecute any one case, than the alleged sum "stolen" - so even with any restitution from the postmaster, there was always a substantial loss.
Yet another crazy facet to this enormous wide spread scandal, the scope of which is breath-taking.
Paula Vennels has lied throughout. She should be in custody pending prosecution and her assets impounded. Same to the rest of the board who were aware.
Further to the Post Office prosecutions based on an IT system, that was known by all including the courts, especially after the Computer Weekly reported the issues( during 2009) hundreds of Post Masters were saying exactly the same, the Horizon did not work properly, so being faulty....it was the courts hearing the civil litigation and criminal prosecutions that did not find nor seek justice, the courts and judges would have known of the number of prosecutions had hugely risen, with same themes, the investigators were not qualified to undertake such work, there was clearly documents missing and only selective disclosure was being provided, many sub Post Masters could not afford legal representation ( a biased one sided process) just some of the issues that should have allowed judges to use their discretion, then to ask further questions so pursuing justice, not just looking the other way, so supporting a process they know fails people every day here in the UK ... the judges sentencing destroyed lives unnecessarily...where are those judges and systems being called to account??? Seems no one wanted to address this very real and pertinent question ...WHY did the judges not seek the facts ?
I would not have any faith in the UK legal system or my chances of getting a fair trial based on what has been said ... it’s all smoke and mirrors to avoid the obvious conclusions that the entire legal system is designed for those few people that can play it...not for the many that use and misguidedly believe the truth will come out in court ...such a very clearly incorrect assumption...
I don't think you can blame the judges where people have lied to them in court. They can only go on the evidence presented to them. Some judges threw cases out, BTW.
@@alisonwilson9749 many thanks for your comment, the issue I hoped to explore is this is a systemic failing, the legal and judicial functions failed in every way as they devastated people’s lives ...we must understand why, when the evidence shows the courts had a significant part in this scandal...
Family asset confiscation for all the perps..
Aww, she's given up her CBE, we can hardly ask for more........
Including any and all pensions!
@@nineelephants1975And bonuses.
These executives on the computer and post office MUST go to court on MANSLAUGHTER CHARGES for those who COMMITTED SUICIDE or there is NO JUSTICE in the UK...... But then .... "Friends HAVE Friends" .... As we ALL know.....
So the list of criminal charges grows ever longer for the executives at the time. And STILL this inquiry lumbers on with the Postmasters no nearer restitution for either their loss of earnings nor their loss of liberty.
That apology from the Fujitsu CEO in Davos was very close to a non-apology. He didn't even have the decency to stop running away from the reporter, look into the camera and give a proper statement.
He was never independent. Experts under court directions should be Independent as in the 2003 (Coyne - Expert) case where the post mistress was not convicted. Surely the PO should have made that known not just 2013 date.
What is most amazing is the “Hanging Judge” mentality of the Courts and it’s Judges.Don’t they talk to each other and possibly wonder why so many cases were coming before them of your friendly,honest and harmless Postmasters and sending so many of them to jail. Something stinks in the State of the Courts.
All those who enabled the biggest miscarriage of justice in British history should now be investigated, charged and imprisioned plus pay back any monies they recieved in bonuses etc this includes, the Post Office Board, Senior Managers, Lawyers both Corporate and Public plus MPs holding oversight over the Post Office, there can be nomore excuses or cover ups.
"they tried to keep a lid on the whole thing" ... well "they" should be criminally charged!
It is not over yet despite what the lawyer said because none of the wrongdoers have been charged and only a handful of postmasters have been recompensed. The government cannot leave the Post Office to manage the recompense of the postmasters, they have proven themselves to be untrustworthy as is Fujitsu.
I thought the two Australian Political Parties, owned by Murdoch were corrupt. But will you take a look at these two British, Murdoch owned parties!
What on earth is any officer of Post Office or Fujitsu doing at Davos.
Liz, good on you. I have also done the same thing. I also canceled my membership with the Liberals. I live in a London Borough, which is Labour, who I don’t like either at the moment. So, my vote will probably be wasted at the next GE.
They're all sorry when they get caught.
HOW ON EARTH ARE ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS BREATHING FREE AIR? THERE'S BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS LITERALLY!
I do hope that POL lawyers are also going to be investigated as they are the ones who drafted statements for POL staff to sign and were providing advice to POL.
They've been giving evidence to the Horizon Inquiry. If you go to the Inquiry website, you can watch them, they're all archived there. Some of those lawyers put up a pretty poor showing.
Remember the dead.
Devon postmaster Peter Huxham died in a suspected suicide in July 2020 after being jailed for eight months over a £16,000 shortfall. In that time, his marriage had fallen apart and he had been battling alcoholism.
So far there has been no mention of Adam Crozier's knowledge of this affair.
As chairman of "Royal mail (the brand)" the "post office" is a subsidiary of "the brand"...so must have been kept abreast of the situation due to the possibility of share price devaluation due to the unfolding issue.
The biggest question we are left with is weather its even possible to prosecute those who are clearly abusing power. Somehow i dont think it will be as easy as prosecuting the innocent. Somehow the system is setup in just the 'right' way for these companies to act like this and their employees to get off without prison time despite the trail of destruction that we clearly see.
Seems to be a lot of lids being kept on things in the UK.
The Board was obliged to inform their Insurers, this is when we get down to the nitty gritty.
Common honesty, if not legal necessity, should have obliged them to tell the courts and those they had prosecuted as well.
Surely if the Police had been involved right from the start there may have been a better investigation.The fact that the post offices own investigators could take the case directly to trial….there is the problem.
After the banking crisis and Grenfell, I have full confidence in justice.
Yes to do nothing and you forgot the murder of haemophiliacs by the Department of Health.
Board directors have been shown to be criminally guilty and should be charged for their crimes. What other companies are doing the same?
The Board was specifically advised .... in 2013. Paula Vennells then condemns herself in 2015 in evidence to a parliamentary committee. .were there..any miscarriages of justice?.....no evidence of that .....PO has a legal duty of disclosure. It is right that this statutory inquiry is taking place but its enormous length protects many actors with questions to answer to in criminal proceedings from active investigation leading to criminal charges.
Well. well. well. We now have a scapegoat!
When will the first indictments be issued for the criminal acts of bearing FALSE WITNESS?
The board of both the PO & Fujitsu should be arrested & charged with theft, perjury. They should be in prison at present without bail. When sentenced they should be sentenced to prison time not less than the longest time served by any SPM.
The board, executives and Lawyers should all have to pay money out of their own pockets and go to prison. They should lose everything like the poor sub Postmasters. They are all a bunch of lies and criminals.
The fact that horizion made extra profits they were not entitled too, and yet still prossecuted people is mental.
Disgraceful - The current Post Office CEO Nick Read categorically stated at the Commons Select Committee only yesterday that even after being in post 4 years, he never tried to find out when the computer flaws were noted, and who knew. Incompetence or lying?
Malicious prosecution
Perjury
Misrepresentation
Withholding evidence
Breach of disclosure obligations
The list goes on
Abuse of process?
All their lawyers knew, as it is it their now, one wonders if their clients of today should trust them?
Investigators still working for them.
Why haven’t the police taken action against those members of the Post office for misleading Parliament?
We will never know the half of it and no one will ever be held responsible - simple.
And so it goes on !