People vote them in to do what's best for society it's time to vote them out d exceptionalism in these people its becoming a joke all over d world people have to stand up to this disgrace 😮😮
I can’t understand why they would pay or give bonuses to these people when giving evidence at a public enquiry is not really optional if section 21 is used. But I suppose this would drag out proceedings.
Post office has run it's course. We need to get rid and replace it with a completely new company. The people on charge during the scandals should be doing prison time. Executives in any other businesses would have been dragged over the coals for misleading the courts and covering it up. Why is the post office special? As should the government ministers who were aware. Being part of government or large public (or former public) institutions should not protect you from repurcussions of your actions
Yep as usual mitts in the till and seems took one Post Office Master Alan Bates + his fellow PO M and his legal team and an excellent ITV Drama to get the GOV into gear to do something about injustice - shameful after all these years little or no action from the 7ories and Liberal Democrat Party; it's like the 7ories GE loss winning major incident that PM Theresa May face with her late and inaction visiting Grenfell Communities after the fire - RIP to the 72 of Grenfell.
A bonus? For attending a public enquiry? Why? What were they for? This is baffling. The sub post masters should be the ones getting bonuses for their services to the community....... Words fail me.
Given the quality of the evidence from some witnesses bonuses were certainly not merited….one woman answered everything with “I can’t remember” and “ I didn’t write this statement that has my signature on”…. Unbelievable….
Slightly confusing two different but related issues. The video is about the present board of the PO who are responsible for disclosing information to the inquiry. For doing that they awarded themselves a handsome bonus despite not actually meeting their disclosure commitments. The investigators appearing in the inquiry were often given bonuses for getting guilty verdicts from innocent postmasters and post office clerks.
Excellent piece of journalism. Reports like these are the reason why Nadine Dorries tried to force the privatisation of Channel 4. Fortunately, she is far too dull to achieve anything.
These kinds of second rate executives are ten a penny. All they are there for is to keep the wheels turning and cut costs, no innovation or creative thoughts or actions required. For this they get paid handsomely.
The hunt of the dirty $ - where the upper staff like managers and CEO Get paid obsessive and obscene pay where the actual pleb workers who work their mitts off ( lot in offshore and poor countries like India) with poor workers rights and T&C's; as long as the share holders are happy to get their hands on their dirty $$ as well = Greed.
The uk business model is built on who your parents are, whi you know through which schools and universities you went to. Not on actual knowledge and ability in the real world.
Is there no end to this National Scandal? Keep an eye on the inquiry, it`s shocking when you see the type of people those poor postmasters had to deal with. Shocking stuff, but when the inquiry has been scrutinised by the legal eagles and the police it should then be brought to The High Court of Criminal Justice. It needs to go through the proper system instead of the kangaroo courts that have been responsible for not seeing through this crime of epic scale from the moment it landed on it`s kangaroo desk.
Good on you…but this could happen under any government. Too many group think turkeys in charge in bureaucracy…too many managers too scared to lose their jobs to say no!
This enquiry shocks at every turn. The standards of those running it, their "investigators" low intelligence levels and so on have been quite literally jaw dropping. You watch it and its hard to believe just how badly the organisation was run and how incompetent from their investigators upwards to the very top. If I had not seen it I don't think I would have believed it.
When I was involved in engineering manufacture and then the construction industry, workers could earn bonuses for extra performance such as getting the job done quicker and saving the employer money and meeting shorter deadlines. No worker in my time got paid a bonus for just doing their standard job, only for working harder and putting in increased effort.
Could it be that this was all signed off before the additional glare of publicity caused by the ITV drama? And the money would still be trousered now if it were not for that?
It is insane this government would still signed off this executives bonuses while the country's healthcare system, mental health, housing, train services and living standard all crumbles ??
In the meantime Data Protection and Digital Information Bill (DPDI) working it's way through Parliament with loopholes to allow snooping into pensioners' bank accounts.
Like Durrr it is taken from the company profits. so no need to question it, whereas its only right and proper to question labours claims. Like diane abbacus 100,000 new police for £30 each. so yeah question labour.
Govts decide policys but have great difficulty in admitting mistakes. Eg - HS2, Smart Motorways, Brexit & various nhs/police/MoD scandals illustrate this trait. Thatcher threw herself on the pyre of the Poll Tax. "Politicians would rather destroy themselves than change" - WH Auden.
If the Govt were to withold bonus payments to senior managers then questions would be asked, which would then stir up more trouble.. Instead they carry on as normal giving huge bonus payments to managers who have lied in court and put innocent people in jail, now the truth is out there, revealing the crooked methods used by post office and government along with Fujitsu who said nothing.. If this isn't investigated thoroughly where every perpetrator is Rooted out to reveal each and every lawyer, senior manager, govt official and other involved then the British justice system can NEVER be trusted again..
This is why the UK is rated 20th on the index of the most corrupt countries - a little less corrupt than the U.S. on 24th. Happy to say my own country, New Zealand, is at no.3 but this Wikipedia rating will inevitably change with a National government recently elected that is in the pocket of the tobacco lobbyists. Hard to credit but they’ve turned their back on making tobacco harder to buy but encouraged it in order to reap taxes from tobacco sales to fund their tax cuts for landlords.
Why get paid for doing your job in shameful circumstances. This is screwing the public and shows a contempt. for the public purse and public money. Whoever put this forward is a disgrace. Rewards for failure at all times.
The entire Post Office board at the time of the Horizon fiasco should find themselves in the dock in front of a judge charged with perjury, ,obtaining money by deception etc for which they should be heavily fined and jailed if found guilty.
We had a local Post Office where Martin ran this because he was a middle aged Scientist that became Redundant when the Research Institute lost its government support. Type 2 Diabetic and without warning he had gone, no warning. That Post Office is now a Hairdresser and we were saved, much later, by having a satellite office set up 2 mornings a week within the village shop. This scandal EXPLAINS why Martin left without any warning, the Post Office came with a Flat above so he LOST his home and job. It is NOT just financial destruction it is their community standing, friends and lastly we the community lost out. We are lucky that we have 2 mornings a week but ONLY the recovery of ALL Bonuses paid to Executives and Senior Management from the Day of launch of Horizon until now should be acceptable. PAY COMPENSATION FOR DESTROYING LIVES.
Where is the compensation money due from Fujitsu. Are they waiting until the inquiry is completed. What happens if Fujitsu UK goes into liquidation would there be any money available for the SPMs compensation. Why is our Govt not ensuring that Fujitsu make available funds now thus ensuring Fujitsu can't dodge their financial responsibilities.
They all payed for their education and all LIARs all blaming everybody else wasnt me guv! .they should all go in front of a judge and suffer like all this people who have wrongley been accused and cleared. ,These people should all get compensated ...tthey all should recieve minimum half a million tax free and PAID WITHOUT DELAY the goverment have fingers in this corrup pie also.
toxic tony hailed it as a roaring success, so which government? toxic tonys or the coalition farce. You have to remember vennels lied to the Parliamentary Committee hearing, which sort of gives those in government a pass. They will all point to that as a defense.
Accountants when something goes wrong or senior management, do something wrong, they just resign. it systemic throughout the whole of the industry it’s been happening for years. They build it within their contract, so they say. And that’s how they get round it. It’s including government departments as well as civil. They just resign and take a large sum of money plus their bonuses, plus they are paid up to the end of the annual year. A lot of retainer bonuses. Which in my eyes, unfortunately the public has to pay for or the companies have to pay for and it’s very wrong. It’s happening for years like this. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last this is how it goes on within the pen. Pusher society is harsh, but that’s the reality of what we live in and have been living in for decades.
I’m so sick of the state of this country. Every time I see my pay slip and the hundreds of pounds I’m paying in taxes and for what? For those who are corrupt to make a pretty penny? This government is at utter disgrace.
We lied, we ruined peoples lives, we jailed innocent people, we hid the truth, we've ruined the post office's image and are causing the tax payer a ton of money to pay these people back after we kept the money for ourselves.... I think we deserve a raise!
The treasury was rewarding criminal negligence by PO management. Government ministers were criminally negligent for dismissing subpostmasters apeals for scrutiny into their treatment by the PO and failings in Horizon.
These people are totally scandalous and dishonest. Everyone involved should be in prison. Kwarteng must have his finances. Investigated as he must have made money from his own negligence. Badenock is only a step away from being found out as the biggest liar ever. She constantly has to deny wrongdoing ,smoke and fire comes to mind.
Did not one person not stand up and say 'this isn't morally right'? It pretty much shows the level of morality that individuals at this level of management have, and how they view those below them. ruclips.net/video/CQzrB3kuqck/видео.html
Post Office staff are still using the Horizon system, as I’ve spoken to many counter staff in large and small post offices , who say the bugs errors and defects were there since it was rolled out, and with the same bugs errors and defects still present today and reported by employees from the early days of going live on Post Office counters ... I wonder if the the Fujitsu boss is agreeing with questions to stave off any formal investigation into what Fujitsu actually know and when they knew what was going on ????
The government do nothing and will not bother about things like this. If they could be bothered to do anything they would not have (SAT ON THEIR HANDS FOR YEARS)
Ministers weren't asleep at the wheel, they were in on the grift
People vote them in to do what's best for society it's time to vote them out d exceptionalism in these people its becoming a joke all over d world people have to stand up to this disgrace 😮😮
😂😂😂😂
Precisely.
I believe the word for paying witnesses for appearing at a commission is called bribery.
I can’t understand why they would pay or give bonuses to these people when giving evidence at a public enquiry is not really optional if section 21 is used. But I suppose this would drag out proceedings.
WHY AREN'T THEY iN JAIL TORIES
Word
More like robbery
Post office has run it's course. We need to get rid and replace it with a completely new company.
The people on charge during the scandals should be doing prison time. Executives in any other businesses would have been dragged over the coals for misleading the courts and covering it up. Why is the post office special?
As should the government ministers who were aware.
Being part of government or large public (or former public) institutions should not protect you from repurcussions of your actions
Why did they sign off bonuses? Because they are all in it together.
Disgraceful and despicable that ministers were all cooking the books at the expense of the sub postmasters. 🇬🇧
Yep as usual mitts in the till and seems took one Post Office Master Alan Bates + his fellow PO M and his legal team and an excellent ITV Drama to get the GOV into gear to do something about injustice - shameful after all these years little or no action from the 7ories and Liberal Democrat Party; it's like the 7ories GE loss winning major incident that PM Theresa May face with her late and inaction visiting Grenfell Communities after the fire - RIP to the 72 of Grenfell.
Should all be fired and clawback those sweet bonuses. Then charge them
It’s just blatant greed and corruption. Once again they are only sorry that they were caught. The systems are utterly broken.
The UK is completely broken
They think themselves untouchable !
A bonus? For attending a public enquiry? Why?
What were they for?
This is baffling.
The sub post masters should be the ones getting bonuses for their services to the community.......
Words fail me.
It is not that baffling once you go down the establishment rabbit hole - we are easy pickings for their insatiable greedy appetite.
Given the quality of the evidence from some witnesses bonuses were certainly not merited….one woman answered everything with “I can’t remember” and “ I didn’t write this statement that has my signature on”…. Unbelievable….
DPS Computing has been covering it: www.youtube.com/@DPSComputing
Slightly confusing two different but related issues. The video is about the present board of the PO who are responsible for disclosing information to the inquiry. For doing that they awarded themselves a handsome bonus despite not actually meeting their disclosure commitments. The investigators appearing in the inquiry were often given bonuses for getting guilty verdicts from innocent postmasters and post office clerks.
Her name is Elaine Cottam. Name and shame
If she had stood up and shouted then about Horizon failing, and backed her staff, maybe things could have been so much different.
@@jamjar20049 not confused at all…I commented on the merit of bonuses…bonuses were discussed in the dialogue…what did you not understand?
How much worse can this get? They're just having a laugh . . .
The British enjoy being miserable.
They NEVER expected to have a light shown on ANY of this.
For as long as we just keep on obediently paying our taxes I suppose..
If we organised & on mass stopped paying, they might listen..
They genuinely are laughing at us.
Excellent piece of journalism. Reports like these are the reason why Nadine Dorries tried to force the privatisation of Channel 4. Fortunately, she is far too dull to achieve anything.
All executives get paid too much , why is this allowed, when they do absolutely next to nothing
These kinds of second rate executives are ten a penny. All they are there for is to keep the wheels turning and cut costs, no innovation or creative thoughts or actions required. For this they get paid handsomely.
The hunt of the dirty $ - where the upper staff like managers and CEO Get paid obsessive and obscene pay where the actual pleb workers who work their mitts off ( lot in offshore and poor countries like India) with poor workers rights and T&C's; as long as the share holders are happy to get their hands on their dirty $$ as well = Greed.
There is no one to stop them .
WHAT DO PEOPLE EXPECT WITH THIS LOT ONLY LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES MONEY MONEY MUST BE FUNNY IN THER RICH WORLD
I would say they do a lot, they do a 'great job' at stealing from us.
How can you pay bonuses to people who can't do their jobs and keep the postmasters' waiting for their compensation
The uk business model is built on who your parents are, whi you know through which schools and universities you went to.
Not on actual knowledge and ability in the real world.
The incompetence of all those responsible at the Post Office and in the Government is simply depressing.
Is there no end to this National Scandal? Keep an eye on the inquiry, it`s shocking when you see the type of people those poor postmasters had to deal with. Shocking stuff, but when the inquiry has been scrutinised by the legal eagles and the police it should then be brought to The High Court of Criminal Justice. It needs to go through the proper system instead of the kangaroo courts that have been responsible for not seeing through this crime of epic scale from the moment it landed on it`s kangaroo desk.
Don’t hold your breath. The legal system is at breaking point. My other point would be managers prosecuting mangers. Can’t see it myself.
I’m done with this government
I think the majority including myself are pretty much done with the government and their continuous corruption/theft.
I Have Never trusted a tory all they think about is money
Good on you…but this could happen under any government. Too many group think turkeys in charge in bureaucracy…too many managers too scared to lose their jobs to say no!
Kwasi keeps popping up in scandals
and also some Limp Lab MPs - Q Ed Davey
@@dafyddthomas7299 Very good point Ed was particularly slippery over this issue
Just when you think it just cannot possibly get any worse - it does. It utterly beggers-belief.
This enquiry shocks at every turn. The standards of those running it, their "investigators" low intelligence levels and so on have been quite literally jaw dropping. You watch it and its hard to believe just how badly the organisation was run and how incompetent from their investigators upwards to the very top. If I had not seen it I don't think I would have believed it.
When I was involved in engineering manufacture and then the construction industry, workers could earn bonuses for extra performance such as getting the job done quicker and saving the employer money and meeting shorter deadlines. No worker in my time got paid a bonus for just doing their standard job, only for working harder and putting in increased effort.
These bonuses are disgusting.... Its bribery... By the government to the guilty party.....??? What is that about? It's criminal act.
Excellent report!
Could it be that this was all signed off before the additional glare of publicity caused by the ITV drama? And the money would still be trousered now if it were not for that?
During the select committee hearing they tried to put across the idea that the bonuses were paid, for helping with the inquiry, were by mistake!
This should be replayed again and again such slimy cowards they should repay every penny plus interest
EXCELLENT REPORTING!
This smacks of the Tory’s saying turn up we will pay you and make it all go away. I will now go in to Rainhill and give her my support
It is insane this government would still signed off this executives bonuses while the country's healthcare system, mental health, housing, train services and living standard all crumbles ??
Because it's one big club! As George Calin said, and guess what? We're not in it, but, they are.
In the meantime Data Protection and Digital Information Bill (DPDI) working it's way through Parliament with loopholes to allow snooping into pensioners' bank accounts.
It's pissin' up peoples backs & telling them dont worry it's only rain .....
They got paid public money for going to hearing into their mismanagement?
Reward without responsibility same as when we payed (austerity) for the banking crisis of 2008.
Power without responsibility the is the prerogative of harlots throughout time.
Shameful disgraceful disgusting bonuses being given during corruption and scandal.
Absolutely disgusting
Yet typically British.
Government find money for bonuses but no one questions where it's come from, whereas they scrutinise Labour's plans
Like Durrr it is taken from the company profits. so no need to question it, whereas its only right and proper to question labours claims. Like diane abbacus 100,000 new police for £30 each. so yeah question labour.
Govts decide policys but have great difficulty in admitting mistakes. Eg - HS2, Smart Motorways, Brexit & various nhs/police/MoD scandals illustrate this trait. Thatcher threw herself on the pyre of the Poll Tax. "Politicians would rather destroy themselves than change" - WH Auden.
Get these bonuses back! WTF 🤬
If the Govt were to withold bonus payments to senior managers then questions would be asked, which would then stir up more trouble..
Instead they carry on as normal giving huge bonus payments to managers who have lied in court and put innocent people in jail, now the truth is out there, revealing the crooked methods used by post office and government along with Fujitsu who said nothing..
If this isn't investigated thoroughly where every perpetrator is Rooted out to reveal each and every lawyer, senior manager, govt official and other involved then the British justice system can NEVER be trusted again..
We need to see Post Office executives doing jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.
They were all incompetent and riding the gravy train! Justice is coming!
The Tories are beyond contempt.
Always money for bonuses….never money for workers…
This is why the UK is rated 20th on the index of the most corrupt countries - a little less corrupt than the U.S. on 24th. Happy to say my own country, New Zealand, is at no.3 but this Wikipedia rating will inevitably change with a National government recently elected that is in the pocket of the tobacco lobbyists. Hard to credit but they’ve turned their back on making tobacco harder to buy but encouraged it in order to reap taxes from tobacco sales to fund their tax cuts for landlords.
More reasons the UK needs democratically elected supervisory boards who can remove executives who are not doing the job they're supposed to do
They would never allow it and even if they did it would be used to preotect Agenda's and push an alternative narrative.
Shocking!
Why get paid for doing your job in shameful circumstances. This is screwing the public and shows a contempt. for the public purse and public money. Whoever put this forward is a disgrace. Rewards for failure at all times.
The entire Post Office board at the time of the Horizon fiasco should find themselves in the dock in front of a judge charged with perjury, ,obtaining money by deception etc for which they should be heavily fined and jailed if found guilty.
Imagine fucking up your job and getting a bonus
It’s all the tories know how to do.
Give CEOs bonuses.
Even negligent CEOs. It’s how they’re taught.
The Liebour party are no better and simply a red coloured turd opposed to the current blue turd.
And the subpostmasters money is still missing in the post office coffers. This just hets worse and worse!
And the sub postmaster get what?
Nothing to date apparently
Payback is insufficient
Brilliant reporting.
Uk Column news exposes multiple Agenda's and the slow death of our Democracy.
They are all rotten to the core.
Quite simple - them & us.
Saying "this is the honest answer" implies all previous answers were a lie.
Although I do believe him when he says "I don't know".
Holy god. Every time I hear about the scandal there’s a new story where it gets more horrendous
We had a local Post Office where Martin ran this because he was a middle aged Scientist that became Redundant when the Research Institute lost its government support. Type 2 Diabetic and without warning he had gone, no warning. That Post Office is now a Hairdresser and we were saved, much later, by having a satellite office set up 2 mornings a week within the village shop. This scandal EXPLAINS why Martin left without any warning, the Post Office came with a Flat above so he LOST his home and job. It is NOT just financial destruction it is their community standing, friends and lastly we the community lost out. We are lucky that we have 2 mornings a week but ONLY the recovery of ALL Bonuses paid to Executives and Senior Management from the Day of launch of Horizon until now should be acceptable. PAY COMPENSATION FOR DESTROYING LIVES.
Where is the compensation money due from Fujitsu. Are they waiting until the inquiry is completed. What happens if Fujitsu UK goes into liquidation would there be any money available for the SPMs compensation. Why is our Govt not ensuring that Fujitsu make available funds now thus ensuring Fujitsu can't dodge their financial responsibilities.
Nobody in government or in charge at the PO will face any accountability whatsoever.
Sleeze and corruption this seems the norm for govenment and bosses🤬
They all payed for their education and all LIARs all blaming everybody else wasnt me guv! .they should all go in front of a judge and suffer like all this people who have wrongley been accused and cleared. ,These people should all get compensated ...tthey all should recieve minimum half a million tax free and PAID WITHOUT DELAY the goverment have fingers in this corrup pie also.
6:35 Liam " haha I'm afraid there is no money left" Byrne. some of us have not forgotten this holier than thou (now) Politician's behaviour.
Someone should compile a video of all the times the government chooses not to respond. It's a lot!
This is just another example of lazy, greedy senior civil servants signing off payments to other lazy, greedy senior civil servants.
As usual, “It is not what you know…but who”. The Government must be held accountable for this entire evil scandal.
toxic tony hailed it as a roaring success, so which government? toxic tonys or the coalition farce. You have to remember vennels lied to the Parliamentary Committee hearing, which sort of gives those in government a pass. They will all point to that as a defense.
UK corruption is crazy rn
We are now living in a Banana Republic, without any bananas or nice weather.
Right to jail
3:55 it sounds like he's saying they should be paid the bonuses after the enquiry rather than not being paid
There is yet to be a named person in either the PO, Fujitsu or government who is under investigation. Why isn't this also treated as scandalous?
Because the big names have all the others to take the fall
For a secound I thought I was watching the most messed up episode of Yes Minister ever during this
Because the corrupt help the corrupt?
Snouts in the trough throughout the whole affair!
ah sure just another day in tory party politics!
Accountants when something goes wrong or senior management, do something wrong, they just resign. it systemic throughout the whole of the industry it’s been happening for years. They build it within their contract, so they say. And that’s how they get round it. It’s including government departments as well as civil. They just resign and take a large sum of money plus their bonuses, plus they are paid up to the end of the annual year. A lot of retainer bonuses. Which in my eyes, unfortunately the public has to pay for or the companies have to pay for and it’s very wrong. It’s happening for years like this. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last this is how it goes on within the pen. Pusher society is harsh, but that’s the reality of what we live in and have been living in for decades.
Who was the sec of state when the bonuses were cooked up? Was it Kemi?
And tried to get a tax rebate on the compensation.
Sickening example again if how it is in the system
I’m so sick of the state of this country. Every time I see my pay slip and the hundreds of pounds I’m paying in taxes and for what? For those who are corrupt to make a pretty penny? This government is at utter disgrace.
We lied, we ruined peoples lives, we jailed innocent people, we hid the truth, we've ruined the post office's image and are causing the tax payer a ton of money to pay these people back after we kept the money for ourselves.... I think we deserve a raise!
Neo Liberalism has taken UK to this sorry pass. 😢
They are economic vampires, sell off everything to themselves
Badenoch can hardly keep the smirk of contempt from her face as she lies through her teeth.
The treasury was rewarding criminal negligence by PO management. Government ministers were criminally negligent for dismissing subpostmasters apeals for scrutiny into their treatment by the PO and failings in Horizon.
Close down, and none of them should be reemployed in the same industry
NOW THIS IS GOOD JOURNALISM
These people responsible for this are the worst criminals imaginable and should be in jail for life.
These people are totally scandalous and dishonest. Everyone involved should be in prison. Kwarteng must have his finances. Investigated as he must have made money from his own negligence. Badenock is only a step away from being found out as the biggest liar ever. She constantly has to deny wrongdoing ,smoke and fire comes to mind.
Why are they getting a bonus anyway Don't they get wages. I never got a bonus when I went to work.
It’s Obvious this Country has gone to 💩
They all.need to have them revoked
Did not one person not stand up and say 'this isn't morally right'? It pretty much shows the level of morality that individuals at this level of management have, and how they view those below them. ruclips.net/video/CQzrB3kuqck/видео.html
Not just one, but all did not stand up and say 'this isn't morally right'. After all, this is Brexit-Britain.
Post Office staff are still using the Horizon system, as I’ve spoken to many counter staff in large and small post offices , who say the bugs errors and defects were there since it was rolled out, and with the same bugs errors and defects still present today and reported by employees from the early days of going live on Post Office counters ... I wonder if the the Fujitsu boss is agreeing with questions to stave off any formal investigation into what Fujitsu actually know and when they knew what was going on ????
The government do nothing and
will not bother about things like
this. If they could be bothered to
do anything they would not have
(SAT ON THEIR HANDS FOR YEARS)
There seems to be no end to this cess pit.
this is what i have been wondering,did this scandal go beyond those sociopaths in the post office?
Hmm, it's a head scratcher..
Where has channel 4 been for the last 20 years on this issue and many others .
Can these bonus's be reclaimed because of this sick farce ?
Badenough!!!!!Nasty!!!!!
I wonder how many MPS had shares in PLO I wonder..