Post Office Inquiry: Alan Bates delivers brutal assessment of bosses

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  • Опубликовано: 8 апр 2024
  • Today was the moment for the real Alan Bates to stand up, as he was sworn in at the Horizon inquiry, delivering a brutal assessment of the Post Office bosses who hounded him and his colleagues, then tried to cover it up.
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    But perhaps the most damning thing to come out of today - the accusation from the inquiry's chair that even now the Post Office seems to be attempting to obstruct the entire process.
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Комментарии • 845

  • @quietowl1246
    @quietowl1246 Месяц назад +316

    A total F ing disgrace. The responsible people including Vennels are the ones that should be serving decades in prison. I have no respect for the justice system if we don’t see justice for these postmasters. Absolutely horrific.

    • @stevenclarke5606
      @stevenclarke5606 Месяц назад +18

      An Absolute disgrace of British Justice!

    • @christhomson8924
      @christhomson8924 Месяц назад +1

      free israel!!!!! 🇮🇱
      we have a right to exist!
      we are the victims of the holocaust

    • @normanpearson8753
      @normanpearson8753 Месяц назад +8

      I think prison is unlikely , sadly , decades was never on ,( ditto) , but losing their pension should be a must....if that isn't malfeasance in public office , then what is?! They could only go to court if the P.O. paid costs(!) , .....however , they won't lose their pensions .

    • @davidgidman7561
      @davidgidman7561 Месяц назад +7

      They should be in jail now awaiting trial

    • @wickedwitchoftheeast88
      @wickedwitchoftheeast88 Месяц назад

      ​@@normanpearson8753 I agree with you, as much as I'd love to see Paula Vennells, Angela Van Den Bogerd and everyone else who was involved in and covered this up should be bankrupted, lose their home and sent to prison but it won't happen. Senior managers are never held to account for things like this look at the Lucy Letby case senior managers supported her and bullied and threatened the doctors to back down when their suspicions were later proved to be correct and those managers haven't been charged with anything one was already retired and lets not forget Hillsborough those senior police officers have never been held accoutable for their actions they covered it up for over 20 years and blamed the Liverpool fans when it was their stupidity and utter incompetence that caused it. In the UK its one rule for the little people and a totally different rule to big wigs. Look at Prince Andrew he should be rotting in prison instead he's free to carry on abusing purely because he's royalty.
      When our government finally pays the subpostmasters their money back I guarentee it will be out of our taxes and not from the Post Office, they stole from those people and use it as their profit yet they lose nothing typical British Justice for you the UK is rotten to the core

  • @helmutreichart9081
    @helmutreichart9081 Месяц назад +395

    Why not put Alan Bates in charge of the Post Office? He surely has p,entry of experience, if only there were more like him. A true Hero for ordinary people.

    • @sadjaxx
      @sadjaxx Месяц назад +21

      Terrific idea!

    • @3bebles
      @3bebles Месяц назад +29

      Why not indeed? Excellent suggestion though I am sure poor Alan and his wife must be wishing for some peace and quiet at long last...

    • @sandy7299
      @sandy7299 Месяц назад +29

      Why punish him like that, he seems a decent bloke 😁

    • @pedromorgan99
      @pedromorgan99 Месяц назад +6

      @@sadjaxx Feet up as chairman.. lol

    • @marybusch6182
      @marybusch6182 Месяц назад +14

      He has the expertise of any expert and the persIstence necessary to address issues and resolve them in a timely and deliberate fashion. Nobody would be better thatn he would be.

  • @fatbelly27
    @fatbelly27 Месяц назад +424

    How incompetent do you have to be to leave a paper trail about not leaving a paper trail?

    • @3bebles
      @3bebles Месяц назад +33

      That kind of incompetence is typical precisely because they are total amateurs and grifters!

    • @0xDEAFF00D
      @0xDEAFF00D Месяц назад +14

      Ironically, this is very common. All bureaucracies have to rely on their memos and CYA policies, and they always get found out because of these memos. Those of a certain age might remember the so-called Iran-Contra situation in the US, where these super-secret acronyms and their super-secret plans had to be spelled out and filed in triplicate, and then filed away. Again, whether or not anyone deserving goes to prison over any of these conspiracies is left as an exercise for the reader.

    • @wolcek
      @wolcek Месяц назад +14

      OK, lets hypothetically assume you have asked me to do something I think might be shady. You can bet I will keep a paper trail to cover my behind just in case. And then, if I do not like you any more, of if you do something shady to me, or of I want something from you, I will have a nice way to remind you where your loyalties lie.

    • @morganmajurey5805
      @morganmajurey5805 Месяц назад +11

      With the shown level of incompetence within the Post Office they probably thought that by using emails there would be no 'paper trail' !

    • @thomasneal9291
      @thomasneal9291 Месяц назад +3

      ...and that was in 2013.

  • @gorgu08
    @gorgu08 Месяц назад +131

    They really shat the bed when they decided to prosecute such a well educated, confident, articulate, determined and energetic human as Alan Bates, give him a massive payout and either put him in the post office or in the Lords where he can specialise in miscarriages of justice

    • @cherryrotella3714
      @cherryrotella3714 27 дней назад +1

      Yes Mr Bates was never intimidated by them and so became a threat so they had to get rid of him

  • @jonb3311
    @jonb3311 Месяц назад +292

    Don't forget Fujitsu have been as guilty as the PO during the whole of this conspiracy.

    • @tenkloosterherman
      @tenkloosterherman Месяц назад +10

      True.

    • @kjensen7819
      @kjensen7819 Месяц назад +10

      They are a company founded to make money. PO is paid by tax money and is there to serve the public. Both guilty, but not the same.

    • @cedcol356
      @cedcol356 Месяц назад +6

      They're not Chinese or Russian so it's not an issue

    • @user-zz9gn2dc3l
      @user-zz9gn2dc3l Месяц назад

      Yes and now the government are putting this corporation in charge of the Central Bank Digital Currency they want to force on us all!!!

    • @WildcraftBritain
      @WildcraftBritain Месяц назад +10

      What happened to the money? 💰 I suspect there’s some people out there living the so called high life on this missing cash 😞

  • @dixie5929
    @dixie5929 Месяц назад +213

    Alan Bates is an absolute hero Davey is a Sir when it should be Sir Alan Bates for over 20 years of heroic determination

    • @noelfleming3567
      @noelfleming3567 Месяц назад +6

      👍👏👏

    • @daviddowsett1658
      @daviddowsett1658 Месяц назад +33

      Alan was offered an OBE or CBE or something like that for which he refused and said he would only accept when the matter of compensation and criminal prosecutions against post office management had been competed ... what a dude!!!

    • @janeday9148
      @janeday9148 Месяц назад +19

      Ed Davey is a disgrace

    • @thedr.feelgood
      @thedr.feelgood Месяц назад +4

      ​@@daviddowsett1658 What a bloke his is... Tenacious isn't in it... 20 yrs plus !!!

    • @thedr.feelgood
      @thedr.feelgood Месяц назад +7

      ​@@janeday9148 Yes, appallingly ineffective - sums up his whole political career....

  • @michaelhipperson1554
    @michaelhipperson1554 Месяц назад +83

    Alan Bates remains so calm and polite after 23 years of hassle. A brilliant example of how to deal with cheats and liars. Hopefully he will be successful.

  • @alexmac513
    @alexmac513 Месяц назад +114

    I don't understand why the police haven't kicked the doors down and taken the documents they need. Then arrested the Post Office people that did this. People in the Post Office need to spend a time behind bars for this. If I as an individual did this I'd go to prison, I couldn't complain. Its undermining the police and the justice system if they don't go to prison.

    • @robinfoster7597
      @robinfoster7597 Месяц назад

      That's just for us plebs! Clearly, the UK has a two-tier justice system!

    • @willmoore7582
      @willmoore7582 Месяц назад +14

      Probably because those responsible have friends, who have friends and right now they are getting rid of evidence and building their case for damage limitation.

    • @roberthiggins6401
      @roberthiggins6401 Месяц назад

      The police are corporation's.
      They're as bent as the po.
      You can see them not respecting the true rule of law. They're only interested in motorists, assisting evictions etc.

    • @redplanet7163
      @redplanet7163 28 дней назад

      They are too busy kicking down the doors of people who have an opinion on the islamicisation of Britain, for the "crime" of "hate speech."

    • @elliottg.1954
      @elliottg.1954 22 дня назад

      Probably because this corruption and appalling conspiracy carried on for decades, under the auspices of the government. It's a can of worms they don't really want to be fully opened. And after all, considering our hopeless police and our broken Justice system, the slimy executives at the centre of this Stalinist conspiracy can be reasonably confident they'll do no jail time.

  • @nathanio103
    @nathanio103 Месяц назад +75

    Alan Bates is absolutely formidable! Such an incredible public speaker, so honest and genuine!

  • @heathermaich8966
    @heathermaich8966 Месяц назад +82

    Post office executives need to go to jail

  • @jbenn43457
    @jbenn43457 Месяц назад +111

    Suspend the bosses pay until the documents are released.

    • @robinfoster7597
      @robinfoster7597 Месяц назад +7

      or just arrest them and deny them bail as a "flight risk".

    • @jamesskeoch6562
      @jamesskeoch6562 Месяц назад

      They have already banked LOADS to feather their nests! Criminals the entire CORRUPT BOARD!

    • @pauldickinson5316
      @pauldickinson5316 Месяц назад

      The FDA had the same issue releasing the Pf*zer trial data as they said it would take 75 years. That was until a group of professionals including Prof's and Dr's filed a lawsuit and the judge ordered the release within 8 months. Nothing to see here.

    • @jbenn43457
      @jbenn43457 27 дней назад

      @mattbuddyMattBuddyGNN neither will "off with their heads". Just wishful thinking

  • @johnvaleanbaily246
    @johnvaleanbaily246 Месяц назад +319

    Post Office obfuscation. Should be jailed.

    • @JelMain
      @JelMain Месяц назад +10

      Deliberately. They were warned, deadlines set, and still. It's completely unfair on the witnesses, and cannot but be reflected in the Report's liminatory comments.

    • @andrewgrillet5835
      @andrewgrillet5835 Месяц назад

      There needs to be an investigation into "possible" fraud. The most likely reason for the Post Office management behaviour is that their boots were full of ill-gotten gains.
      Only another enquiry could possibly prove their guilt or innocence.

    • @MrBoggins1234
      @MrBoggins1234 Месяц назад +10

      Not just PO leadership but Fujitsu - European leadership also.

    • @user-rt2ri5ft5v
      @user-rt2ri5ft5v Месяц назад +6

      The PO will have been instructed by government.

    • @JelMain
      @JelMain Месяц назад +2

      @@user-rt2ri5ft5v As seen in Kemi Badenoch's mishandling of Henry Staunton, If it wasn't for Crown Immunity, he'd have a prime case against her for malfeasance. As of now, they've lost the resource of experienced hands from the Corporate Sector, and given Cuymmings' assessment of the Civil Service and the public opinion of the Government, we're in a sorry state.

  • @andrewh2u
    @andrewh2u Месяц назад +104

    We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and investigators serving jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.

    • @jjefferyworboys8138
      @jjefferyworboys8138 Месяц назад +2

      Lawyers don't lie but are regularly lied to by their clients.

    • @andrewh2u
      @andrewh2u Месяц назад +8

      @@jjefferyworboys8138 Saying that Lawyers dont lie is never going to be plausible.

    • @mikematthews2750
      @mikematthews2750 Месяц назад +4

      I want to see that awful guy Whitaker in a cell with Big Brutus…

  • @MyTv-
    @MyTv- Месяц назад +138

    The Post Office needs to be put into administration. To get to the root of it.

    • @grantwallace1882
      @grantwallace1882 Месяц назад +9

      I have hear some politician saying exactly your point.

    • @MyTv-
      @MyTv- Месяц назад

      @@grantwallace1882 With that level of obstruction, it’s the obvious solution. I would trigger a deep revision of both the post office and the key people involved. This smells of corruption.

    • @chuckoster8221
      @chuckoster8221 Месяц назад

      It’s not the root,it’s the seed that grows into the root,and that is Tony Blair.He signed off the Horizon system,knowing,full well,it was faulty because Harriet Harman told him so.He started the ball rolling,then bankrupted the country.Notice,complete silence from the great interferer,the one that never misses an opportunity to poke his nose in.What a chance for the great mr fixit to come down from his ivory tower and save the world and blame the Conservatives for all of it.

    • @jacksyful
      @jacksyful Месяц назад +1

      the po has no control by its sole shareholders-- the government!! that is wrong wrong wrong!!

  • @TheDMG45
    @TheDMG45 Месяц назад +103

    What makes me so angry about this is not just that it happened, its that no expense was spared when they were going after the sub-postmasters - the "justice" system happily threw hundreds of people in jail on incredibly flimsy cases. But then now when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn't look like anyone is going to be held accountable at all except perhaps a few token resignations.

    • @KiwiCatherineJemma
      @KiwiCatherineJemma Месяц назад +21

      I think the judges (where they are sitting, without a jury) should take at least SOME of the blame. When the entirety of the prosecution case is "Computer says "X" UK pounds has gone missing". Yet there is literally zero other corroborating evidence, and when an examination of the person's lifestyle shows NO "excess money" (NO flashy car or boat purchases, no expensive house, or gambling addictions etc). ...and the person in the dock is saying "I worked honestly, Maybe the computer system, made a mistake"... then the judges involved should at least have considered that possibility. Also any judge before accepting a "guilty plea" should have asked the defendant if they had had, independent legal advice beforehand.

    • @TheDMG45
      @TheDMG45 Месяц назад +7

      ​@@KiwiCatherineJemma Exactly! To me whether its through malice or cheer incompetence they are as bad as the post office for accepting such shoddy evidence and not caring that the accused victims don't even get to give their side of the story

    • @chrisholland7367
      @chrisholland7367 Месяц назад +2

      Let's hope this is more than just a circus

    • @seanhaywood4597
      @seanhaywood4597 Месяц назад

      the post office get to spend £100 million of tax payers money defending the indefencable yet in the
      real world legal aid is means tested and since 2010 the tory party as cut the legal aid budgit by over
      50% leaving the poor unable to get decent legal representation, and dont forget boris who managed
      to run up a legal aid bill of circa £300k for party gate inquiry paid for by the tax payer, its disgusting
      that the tax payer has to keep picking up the bill for this corruption,

    • @johnjc4645
      @johnjc4645 Месяц назад +3

      But the woman in charge has said sorry and handed her medal back isn't that enough

  • @gtek8021
    @gtek8021 Месяц назад +40

    Post Office ltd was able to be Judge, Jury and Executioner. Paula Vennells and all of the senior Executives, Post Office, Fujitsu and Ministers in the know HAVE TO GO TO PRISON for the damage done to innocent peoples lives and the lives that are sadly lost. How does Paula Vennells sleep at night!
    This is a perfect example that "POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY"

  • @norfolkandchance9298
    @norfolkandchance9298 Месяц назад +100

    Until Paula Vennells is sent to jail, justice will not be done.

    • @Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood
      @Liberty_Freedom_Brotherhood Месяц назад +14

      Didn’t some of the postmasters commit suicide?
      Jail too soft for Vennels

    • @roberthiggins6401
      @roberthiggins6401 Месяц назад +7

      I would think there are several people at least need to face justice.
      We've seen soooo many cover ups over the years.
      Water companies only ever face a fine and that fine gets passed on to you and I, no one ever faces justice.
      Remember the strangles song, no more heroes?
      Well we do have heroes in the form of whistle blowers, the heroes who have morals.

    • @mirjamwillemsen900
      @mirjamwillemsen900 18 дней назад +1

      And some others, like Angela van den Bogerd

    • @jonathanstone..
      @jonathanstone.. 15 дней назад

      Even those in charge today with these delays tactics. Its like they breed this behaviour in the heads of the post office

  • @Haberdashery22
    @Haberdashery22 Месяц назад +20

    Alan Bates is a hero for the truth and for seeking justice as he has. He should be knighted at the very least.

  • @peterjackson2625
    @peterjackson2625 Месяц назад +84

    Nobody will ever believe a word from the Post Office. If I had any savings in the Post Office, I would withdraw them.

  • @stephenbarrett8000
    @stephenbarrett8000 Месяц назад +12

    Ed Davey has a Knighthood (as did Paula Vennels) and Alan Bates doesn't.
    That should tell you everything you need to know about the British Establishment.

  • @neilhobson3624
    @neilhobson3624 Месяц назад +35

    It’s utterly atrocious what the Post Office has done , and is still is doing.

  • @ThisisnotTwitter
    @ThisisnotTwitter Месяц назад +48

    Should not be possible. That post office CEO clearly does not care at all.
    Remove all involved from office. Give it back to the public ownership entirely where it always should have been and then start again.

    • @rbnhd1144
      @rbnhd1144 Месяц назад

      It all started with privatiaztion, who's decesion was that?
      Its big mistake for the British Public, Every basic service should be owned by the general public who use it, otherwise its for Profit, then your prices skyrocket and foreigners control you.

  • @user-qc4mi1dw7n
    @user-qc4mi1dw7n Месяц назад +31

    Absolutely disgusting behaviour by the Post Office.

  • @JohnnyMotel99
    @JohnnyMotel99 Месяц назад +65

    You can bet a billion $$ that the main culprits have all their expensive lawyers beavering away for months if not years working up some impenetrable defence and probably any criminal defence will be funded by the PO.

    • @ChrisM541
      @ChrisM541 Месяц назад +14

      ...funded by the tax payer, unfortunately.

    • @JohnnyMotel99
      @JohnnyMotel99 Месяц назад +4

      @@ChrisM541 eventually

  • @alanhand503
    @alanhand503 Месяц назад +20

    In other words the Post Office and Fujitsu are checking every document to make sure they don't hand over any incriminating evidence. All those senior Post Office and Fujitsu managers should be prosecuted and jailed, just for holding back evidence, but also be held accountable to pay compensation and jailed for manslaughter.

    • @ritab8663
      @ritab8663 Месяц назад +1

      Am I right in thinking that the PO passed over 73,000 documents out of millions in their keep, I wonder how much more are in the paperwork held back could be incriminating

  • @p0ssiblypossiblynot557
    @p0ssiblypossiblynot557 Месяц назад +37

    This case is a perfect illustration of 'The Banality of Evil"

  • @janeday9148
    @janeday9148 Месяц назад +21

    Alan Bates is amazing & helps to restore hope in humanity because the British publics confidence has been lost in the institutions of this Country

  • @willienelsongonzalez4609
    @willienelsongonzalez4609 Месяц назад +34

    ….. so The Post Office contacted its insurer over the Horizon IT system and its own legal team said it’s only course of action was to instigate a massive cover up. Senior management listened to the lawyers and deliberately pursued a policy of secrecy, silence and scorched earth by blaming the Sub Posters and holding them accountable for the failures of Fujitsu and The Post Office.

  • @user-pq3jm5yc6y
    @user-pq3jm5yc6y Месяц назад +9

    I have nothing but admiration for Mr Bates.

  • @50_Pence
    @50_Pence Месяц назад +86

    It's late stage capitalism. It's what big business does and you can see it all over the place.

    • @noelfleming3567
      @noelfleming3567 Месяц назад +1

      Ruling d world 😢😢

    • @pacman7959
      @pacman7959 Месяц назад +11

      Late stage? Get buckled in mate. We still have the surprise of pensions to come.

    • @user-zz9gn2dc3l
      @user-zz9gn2dc3l Месяц назад +10

      Not capitalism/free market trading. It's fascism when the government are in bed with corporations - public private partnerships!!

    • @maxxrenn
      @maxxrenn Месяц назад +4

      Its a state owned company. Basically the opposite of capitalism.

  • @dave3130
    @dave3130 Месяц назад +14

    What a national hero. Showed true bulldog spirit 💪🏼

  • @bostonbikebits6539
    @bostonbikebits6539 Месяц назад +10

    They bang on about wanting to comply but their actions show something completely different.

  • @derekgillan7314
    @derekgillan7314 Месяц назад +10

    Well done Sir! Post office bosses = jail. The more they obstruct the more jail time.

  • @RestoDesignsnando
    @RestoDesignsnando Месяц назад +12

    Wow what a great guy Alan Bates is, standing up against these people.

  • @abbiebrown2733
    @abbiebrown2733 Месяц назад +103

    Mr Bates has been treated shockingly. Alan Bates should sue the post office for 1 million pound

    • @lewilewis3944
      @lewilewis3944 Месяц назад +27

      He's meant to get at least that through the compensation scheme just for loss of earnings for the past 20 years. But guess what? Yup. The Post Office bosses are a bunch of thieves.

    • @user-bl8zw4ol1j
      @user-bl8zw4ol1j Месяц назад

      Well said they are THiEVES. Deal with the now through the courts at the PO funds

    • @Hugo97HD
      @Hugo97HD Месяц назад +15

      ​@@lewilewis3944 they are being protected. I don't know their names but I wouldn't be surprised if they are all family or friend with important labour and tory MPs. That's why it's taken so long to do something about it.

    • @nineteen8486
      @nineteen8486 Месяц назад +7

      and more.........

    • @Jackthesmilingblack
      @Jackthesmilingblack Месяц назад +4

      At least.

  • @notquiteoverthehill9576
    @notquiteoverthehill9576 Месяц назад +32

    Post office boss Lies lies lies sack him & shut it down.

    • @jjefferyworboys8138
      @jjefferyworboys8138 Месяц назад +2

      Why would you want to shut down the Post Office ? In many communities the Post Office is very important particularly to the elderly.

  • @angelogiacomazzi6699
    @angelogiacomazzi6699 Месяц назад +11

    Someone in the Fuji organisation ended up pocketing the money.
    They need to be held accountable for the theft of this money.
    Details of the Investigation need to be made public.

  • @pamjordan5281
    @pamjordan5281 Месяц назад +11

    Unlike the PO employees Mr Bates has total recall 😊

  • @1styash
    @1styash Месяц назад +24

    It’s not only post office, most of the organisations in the UK 🇬🇧 do the same. They use their rough HR employees and lawyer who are pathological liars use laws as a mechanism of abuse the law itself.

    • @kumasenlac5504
      @kumasenlac5504 28 дней назад

      Is it necessary to label them as pathological liars ? Surely it's just their job ?

  • @aroemaliuged4776
    @aroemaliuged4776 Месяц назад +41

    Ed Davy on a digger
    Is that supposed to be ironic
    Honestly politicians are a different breed

    • @howardosborne8647
      @howardosborne8647 Месяц назад

      Davy is a man with no principles and zero credibility.

    • @grayflight9424
      @grayflight9424 Месяц назад +2

      My question is are there any honest ones about

    • @georgegently3026
      @georgegently3026 Месяц назад

      ​@@grayflight9424no

    • @kayoedowner6711
      @kayoedowner6711 Месяц назад +2

      @@georgegently3026To be fair James Arbuthnot has stood by the sub postmasters throughout.

    • @kumasenlac5504
      @kumasenlac5504 28 дней назад +1

      Not breed - they're grown in a Petri dish....

  • @Truthseeker1515
    @Truthseeker1515 Месяц назад +34

    What state is Britain in!

    • @pacman7959
      @pacman7959 Месяц назад

      I blame it on the immigrants. Why? Because Farage told me.

  • @garrybowers414
    @garrybowers414 Месяц назад +11

    They should be locked up for withholding evidence

  • @getheroutofthetruck
    @getheroutofthetruck Месяц назад +13

    They haven't finished deleting their hard drives or shredding the papers yet.

  • @ysgol3
    @ysgol3 Месяц назад +5

    What a hero this man is. What he's done in the face of such corporate bullying is staggering.
    And the way the horrendous Ed Davey is only concerned with saving his own 'reputation' is disgusting.
    What a contrast between two men.

  • @findacarbuyer
    @findacarbuyer Месяц назад +10

    police needs to announce their involvement

  • @LordBikealot
    @LordBikealot Месяц назад +9

    People in power should be held accountable. This whole f'ing situation is DISGUSTING!

    • @VSmithy
      @VSmithy Месяц назад

      And it all happened because Ed Davey, among other Lib Dem members, supported David Cameron's privatization of the Post Office.

  • @me-un7vq
    @me-un7vq Месяц назад +40

    All power to Alan bates and the wrongly convicted. We are stuck in a toxic tory twisted death spiral. God help us.

    • @alisdairmclean8605
      @alisdairmclean8605 Месяц назад +8

      Yes the Tories plus Starmer who was head of the CPS when some innocents were locked up and Ed Davey. Our political class.

    • @noelfleming3567
      @noelfleming3567 Месяц назад +3

      And d rich get richer who's paying d legal fees in these inquiries

    • @SingWhileYouMay
      @SingWhileYouMay Месяц назад +5

      @@alisdairmclean8605 Starmer and his office had nothing to do with it. The post office itself brought the prosecutions. A wonderful aspect of UK law that such is possible.

    • @howardosborne8647
      @howardosborne8647 Месяц назад

      All the main political parties have had a hand in allowing this travesty to go on for many years longer than it should. None of them come out of this looking good.

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH Месяц назад

      ​@@alisdairmclean8605Minor detail missing. The PO itself was empowered to bring prosecutions and did so, that's a gruesome part of the whole sorry story. If the CPS had oversight the scandal would likely have been exposed sooner. But the CPS was not involved as it had no locus, nor for that matter was Keir Starmer. Do keep up.

  • @Herblay63
    @Herblay63 Месяц назад +10

    Alan Bates is a man of immense honour.... he could have really gone for Ed Davey but instead in his verbal evidence he claims not to remember very much about his meeting with Ed Davey except that he was disappointed with his response to his request for assistance in response to the developing scandal. The inquiry evidence included Ed Davey's briefing note for the meeting prepared by the civil service which is very clear, we know exactly what Ed Davey said in the meeting. Essentially... you won't get any help coming this way, you lot are on your own, don't want to know, don't care, so long. Bye.

  • @peterw4338
    @peterw4338 Месяц назад +6

    It's not just the PO behaving like this; it's nearly every government department and council in the UK

    • @VSmithy
      @VSmithy Месяц назад

      The Post Office was privatized by David Cameron, remember? That's why the fat cats who bought the shares could lie and make lots of money while refusing to investigate how Fujitsu's rubbish system was robbing the subpostmasters.

    • @VSmithy
      @VSmithy Месяц назад

      The Post Office was privatized and sold off under David Cameron's austerity program.

  • @IrfanAli-qp1gm
    @IrfanAli-qp1gm Месяц назад +10

    Never think the Establishment will do right by the subposters. They will delay, obfuscate and do everything to stop compensation.
    Wasting public money on expensive Enquiry.

  • @aroemaliuged4776
    @aroemaliuged4776 Месяц назад +34

    Call me over the top..
    But this wanting to obey the rules
    Having an air of superiority against the low uns………
    Reminds me of so many historical examples

    • @viewfinder914
      @viewfinder914 Месяц назад +6

      Not over the top. What you are touching upon is British government culture. It is pervasive over time.

  • @CYCHIATRIC
    @CYCHIATRIC Месяц назад +7

    No executives will suffer consequences. They will go on to live long, happy and affluent lives. The system will not change. The victims will be discarded. This enquiry and its media coverage is theatre to placate the public. Everyone knows this.

  • @JohnJones-wo1bc
    @JohnJones-wo1bc Месяц назад +7

    This is a Magna Carta moment for our generation

  • @mikeharvey9811
    @mikeharvey9811 Месяц назад +5

    All my family worked for the post office, telephone exchange, TV Licences, Posties…..we loved the GPO , we bought postal orders, stamps, dog licences premium bonds, passports….all that love and trust gone. Barb

  • @MrGavinBoyd
    @MrGavinBoyd Месяц назад +19

    Will any of those responsible go to prison?

    • @richardroulstone-roberts8598
      @richardroulstone-roberts8598 Месяц назад +1

      Some token sacrifice, I guess.

    • @pacman7959
      @pacman7959 Месяц назад +2

      Just the fall guys. Real culprits are too powerful to prosecute call me a conspiracy loon.

    • @richardjns17
      @richardjns17 Месяц назад +2

      Set up a gofundme for Private prosecutions,I bet they'd raise thousands.

  • @kitburns1665
    @kitburns1665 Месяц назад +29

    Disclose as little as possible. Privatization.

    • @kumasenlac5504
      @kumasenlac5504 28 дней назад

      Nationalization led to such a wonderful blooming of openness and disclosure. Different hats, that's all...

  • @danburycollins
    @danburycollins Месяц назад +24

    Ed Davey hopes the inquiry holds people to account... Not people like him... But other people... But not him...

  • @njd2342
    @njd2342 Месяц назад +9

    British Justice is slower than a tortoise but at least the tortoise gets its destination eventually. Will British Justice?

    • @ImNotReallyHereMCFC
      @ImNotReallyHereMCFC 29 дней назад +1

      Take money from the government, you watch just fast "justice" can be

  • @22Phantasm
    @22Phantasm Месяц назад +15

    The PO very quickly were able to convict and jail so many innocent working class citizens. The police haven't even started to investigate the guilty, rich, pompous and powerful PO/Fujitsu/Govt officials who were involved in this travesty of justice. That says everything about classist, UK Injustice.

  • @Cody-zd2ye
    @Cody-zd2ye Месяц назад +4

    What a refreshing human being and god bless him for his courage we need more like him.i wish someone like him would ask why the police didn't investigate the pandemic.bless Mr Bates

  • @Dean256
    @Dean256 Месяц назад +14

    Once this is all done the post office needs disbanding. It cannot be disbanded now as that will be the post offices get out clause…

    • @ftumschk
      @ftumschk Месяц назад +5

      The central management needs to be overhauled/replaced (if it isn't being done already), but the whole operation doesn't necessarily need to be disbanded.

    • @Dean256
      @Dean256 Месяц назад +2

      @@ftumschk while they have this amount of power the post office needs to be completely overhauled. They have proven they have no morals and it’s a government institution. It needs disbanding and completely changed…

    • @ftumschk
      @ftumschk Месяц назад +2

      @@Dean256 The language I chose was deliberately precise. It's the central management that needs overhauling, not the tens of thousands of good people who work in post office branches throughout the country.

    • @Dean256
      @Dean256 Месяц назад +2

      @@ftumschk I’m sorry but the whole thing needs to change the post office as a single company across the UK cannot continue. I’m not sure how it needs to be changed but it certainly does. They have changed the management structure and it’s made no difference and this ability for them to be able to run investigations without police involvement needs stopping immediately… like tonight…

    • @ftumschk
      @ftumschk Месяц назад +3

      ​@@Dean256 Sort out the central management and IT suppliers by all means - they screwed this up, and they need to carry the can. However, they're not "the whole thing", and I think the thousands of dedicated subpostmasters and their staff have been "overhauled" quite enough for now, don't you?

  • @janeday9148
    @janeday9148 Месяц назад +8

    There has to be Criminal Charges including Corporate Manslaughter

    • @markmcintyre9893
      @markmcintyre9893 Месяц назад

      Unfortunately such charges wouldn’t be made out in law

  • @grahamkearnon6682
    @grahamkearnon6682 Месяц назад +14

    Read with the typical Public school accent, what a surprise!

  • @eddjordan2399
    @eddjordan2399 Месяц назад +6

    Post office chief exec is a complete A WHOLE.

  • @bobtudbury8505
    @bobtudbury8505 Месяц назад +4

    davey needs to resign and hand his money back

  • @jacksyful
    @jacksyful Месяц назад +2

    the executives have got to go --to jail for a long time!!

  • @XxTheAwokenOnexX
    @XxTheAwokenOnexX Месяц назад +1

    It is unacceptable that the people who own the post office 👑 are not being held to account!

  • @davidcolin6519
    @davidcolin6519 Месяц назад +3

    This enquiry demanded these documents literally YEARS ago, yet they're still dragging their ffet.
    "Remarkable" just doesn't come close to how egregious this is.

  • @steveg7718
    @steveg7718 Месяц назад +4

    What sentence is appropriate for wrecking peoples lives, making them fight all these years for justice, and even now still covering up and slowing down the process... Beyond belief.

  • @davidmansfield9167
    @davidmansfield9167 Месяц назад +1

    Undermining public confidence in national institutions is a grave mistake with long term implications for society. Prison terms must result.

  • @dianerichardson3061
    @dianerichardson3061 Месяц назад +1

    If they don't come up with the proof or documents they should automatically be found guilty.

  • @charlesflouvat1829
    @charlesflouvat1829 Месяц назад +12

    Salting the ground for labour, 🤔

    • @noelfleming3567
      @noelfleming3567 Месяц назад

      Definitely going to be a shitshow after d election

  • @123JWJWJW
    @123JWJWJW 21 день назад

    Recently started the program on PBS television in the US. Absolutely shocked and abhorred that after all these years that no justice has been made for these people. How could such corrupt and despicable people still be able to walk free all these years later? It's horrible to try and grasp that something such as this could continue on and on without justice for these poor souls. Blessings and strength to you to continue in the good fight!

  • @gnothiseauton8684
    @gnothiseauton8684 Месяц назад +5

    He might want to announce that he’s not suicidal

  • @ftumschk
    @ftumschk Месяц назад +9

    4:26 I thought that was a typo, but there really is a legal firm called "Womble Bond Dickinson". It's nice to see that the Wombles have progressed from picking up litter to picking up litigation.

    • @fatbelly27
      @fatbelly27 Месяц назад +1

      Making good use of the things that they find...

    • @becmiberserker
      @becmiberserker Месяц назад +1

      Or picking up litter to becoming it!

    • @TheDMG45
      @TheDMG45 Месяц назад +1

      The name's Bond. Womble Bond.

  • @abbiebrown2733
    @abbiebrown2733 Месяц назад +27

    Sir Ed Davey should resign

    • @user-bl8zw4ol1j
      @user-bl8zw4ol1j Месяц назад

      He should be in jail with the rest of the useless management

    • @zetectic7968
      @zetectic7968 Месяц назад

      Yes so convenient to scapegoat him & ignore the the Tory PO ministers that also did nothing. You must be a Conservative voter.

    • @bluesmaster9896
      @bluesmaster9896 Месяц назад

      @@zetectic7968 Sack the whole applecart , they're all on the make .

    • @rogerroger5255
      @rogerroger5255 Месяц назад

      @@zetectic7968 This started with Blair and a Labour administration. Then continued with Lib Dem people in positions of authority,. Of course people like you are blinkered.

    • @djslybacon
      @djslybacon Месяц назад

      @@bluesmaster9896good - go out and vote then - green or an independent you agree with you - if you don’t like the lot or the country doesn’t - stop moaning and vote ! Make meaningful change

  • @hickster222
    @hickster222 Месяц назад +3

    Life in the clink for everyone involved in this scandal. No chance of parole.

  • @user-ck8zu9tm1o
    @user-ck8zu9tm1o Месяц назад +3

    I am absolutely flummoxed by all of this although, I shouldn't be. Allan Bates is the right man for fight, he is measured, intelligent, articulate and able to co-ordinate those similarly affected . Good on you Mr Bates. 👏

  • @rachelabbott9393
    @rachelabbott9393 Месяц назад +5

    Go Alan Bates! I am sure EVERYONE involved and more are on Mr Bates and the sub post masters and mistresses side 100%

    • @kumasenlac5504
      @kumasenlac5504 28 дней назад

      Not so - the hyphae are even now destroying or losing evidence...

    • @getsorted0185
      @getsorted0185 23 дня назад +1

      What an absolute hero Alan bates is
      what do these people think they were doing ruining all these lives appalling

  • @alfieakaronaldog
    @alfieakaronaldog Месяц назад +3

    Paula Vennels will have a bit of a dilemma having to swear an oath to tell the truth if she is as godly as she makes out 😂

    • @Orwic1
      @Orwic1 Месяц назад +1

      I’ve known a number of people who claimed to be christians. Some really were: charitable, empathetic, kindly and overall good people, always willing to help others (I met them in charity work I was involved with). But a few fell below that standard by quite a margin 😢

  • @ataxpayer723
    @ataxpayer723 29 дней назад +1

    The UK Govt needs to sack the current CEO and the entire board, then install a Commissioner.

  • @adrianlloyd6403
    @adrianlloyd6403 Месяц назад +5

    Andrew Parsons....lawyer.......acts and behaves like a lawyer.And lawyers wonder why so many people despise them.

  • @jonathand.wieand6119
    @jonathand.wieand6119 Месяц назад +2

    What about also holding Fujitsu responsible for for their role in this mess? Is anyone looking into that?

  • @KiwiCatherineJemma
    @KiwiCatherineJemma Месяц назад +2

    I think the judges (where they are sitting, without a jury) should take at least SOME of the blame.
    When the entirety of the prosecution case is "Computer says "X" UK pounds has gone missing".
    Yet there is literally zero other corroborating evidence, and when an examination of the person's lifestyle shows NO "excess money" (NO flashy car or boat purchases, no expensive house, or gambling addictions etc).
    ...and the person in the dock is saying "I worked honestly, Maybe the computer system, made a mistake"...
    then the judges involved should at least have considered that possibility.
    Also any judge before accepting a "guilty plea" should have asked the defendant if they had had, independent legal advice beforehand.

  • @ilokivi
    @ilokivi Месяц назад +2

    Surprised that the public inquiry hasn't yet instructed bailiffs to enter PO premises and seize documents, so that the inquiry can get to the bottom of this promptly. Justice delayed is justice denied.

    • @kumasenlac5504
      @kumasenlac5504 28 дней назад

      What documents ? You don't think they still exist do you ?

  • @tony-leebrizzell2654
    @tony-leebrizzell2654 Месяц назад +14

    What is the King doing to protect the people : there is a hole in the constitutional arrangement

    • @zetectic7968
      @zetectic7968 Месяц назад

      What an ignorant statement.

    • @meganm1074
      @meganm1074 Месяц назад

      The monarchy does not exist to protect the people.

  • @normhanson981
    @normhanson981 Месяц назад

    Wonderful man , this country has had it , people in senior positions have so much to answer for.

  • @Emma-px1nl
    @Emma-px1nl Месяц назад

    Yes Alan!
    Dogged determination to reveal the truth.
    So respect for you Sir.

  • @happytravelling
    @happytravelling Месяц назад +4

    Mr. Bates should go into politics. Being an MP would be appropriate.

  • @TheStevenWhiting
    @TheStevenWhiting Месяц назад +3

    And just think. He's of the era of "Don't rock the boat", its what I've heard in the past. If he didn't rock the boat and rock it for decades, then none of it would of come out.

  • @richardroulstone-roberts8598
    @richardroulstone-roberts8598 Месяц назад +4

    You can see the final inquiry findings, not white washed , but can well imagine its recommendations totally ignored , Hope Mr Bates follows through, and drags Post office, and fujitsu to court.

  • @DIYTinkerer
    @DIYTinkerer Месяц назад +2

    Everyone wants Justice for what was done, those in charge need long jail sentences, but we all know that will never happen. 😞

  • @stellavarley4130
    @stellavarley4130 Месяц назад +1

    Is it any wonder people take the law into their own hands, when justice isn't carried out.

  • @richardsilljohnson6377
    @richardsilljohnson6377 Месяц назад +2

    Maybe I miss something but Horizon is Fujitsu, they seem to be getting off scot free. Sue them as well as the PO

  • @terrystephens1102
    @terrystephens1102 Месяц назад

    As a retired Executive of our local Post Office (Australia Post), I am appalled at the culture of the POL management. Those responsible for this horrendous travesty of justice need to be prosecuted. This scandal is every bit as bad as our Robodebt case where social security recipients were pursued for erroneously calculated over-payments.

  • @johnbaker2
    @johnbaker2 Месяц назад +1

    It’s not really about compensation it’s about the people at the top of the post office being brought to account and being punished for their lies and wrongdoings.
    Paula Vennells should be in prison

  • @longsighted
    @longsighted Месяц назад +2

    As an electronics engineer, computer scientist, also trained in commercial matters, I ask where did the digital numbers go (digital numbers = money) GO from the sub post offices returns. Who benefitted by the exercise of changing the digital data being transmitted the the central computer memory. If the digits/money was just discarded then for what purpose was the exercise done. There are a lot of questions not being asked that have a science physical basis. Computer systems carrying and storing financial data are just as physical as the old paper systems. At the moment this whole sad fiasco does not make sense, what was the purpose of altering the raw data returns from the sub post offices before final storage in computer memory. WHO BENEFITED BY THE COMPLETE EXERCISE.

  • @Twofiddymill
    @Twofiddymill Месяц назад +3

    The govt and PO will not be held accountable…..even if they have a payout….no person will be held accountable….that’s how the law works. A law for them and a law for the people!!

  • @chrisl3314
    @chrisl3314 Месяц назад

    So good to see actual journalism, so refreshing after the BBC parroting official statements without analysis

  • @Fairplay-ed6rs
    @Fairplay-ed6rs Месяц назад +2

    The whole country wants Paula Vennells jailed and rightly so, but all the rest, from the branch administrators, the fascist investigators, the Post Office board, the accountants, the Fujitsu operators who made the adjustments, the civil servants and the government ministers (Mandelson prince of the dark arts) also must face a jury trial. There will probably be a need to build a new prison to house them all. Lets also not forget the National Federation of Sub postmasters who are paid by the Post Office and advised their members to just pay up. Shut it down and give the Sub postmasters trade union rights.