PART 3: HARLEY DAVIDSON WITH A BROKEN TENSIONER GETS SCREAMIN EAGLE HYDRAULIC CAM TENSIONER UPGRADE
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2020
- IN THIS VIDEO COMPLETE THE REASSEMBLY OF EARLY TWIN CAM WITH A HYDRAULIC CAM CHAIN TENSIONER UPGRADE.
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I COULDN'T FIND THE ORIGINAL S&S VIDEO I REMEMBER SEEING BUT HERE IS ANOTHER VIDEO DESCRIBING THE SAME PROCESS OF ROLLING ONE CYLINDER OVER ON OVERLAP AND WORKING ON THE OTHER CYLINDER AS ITS ON ITS BASE CIRCLE. IF SOMEONE FINDS THE ORIGINAL I'M THINK OF PLEASE LET ME KNOW • Cam Replacement on a M...
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You sir, provide a fantastic service to the larger Harley-Davidson Brother/Sisterhood. Thank you ever so much for doing what you do and for standing apart from, and heads and shoulders above, the overwhelming majority of vast RUclips "content" that offers little, and sometimes nothing more than wasted time. From so Cal - Ride Forever!
Nice work Brad. You're organized, methodical, thorough... and you CARE. Quite refreshing. Ride safe.
Thanks. You too.
Brad, I truly appreciate you putting out this series on the SE upgrade. I will reference them when doing mine shortly. I must add that despite a few weak engineering spots, HDMoCo puts out some timeless machines that are beautiful through the ages. My dad rode several bikes and I loved every one. HD is my absolute favorite and I hope to have passed down that love for fine machinery to my children. Thanks again and ride free!
Thanks. Me too.
Great job on this fix/conversion Brad. This is an excellent tutorial for people wanting to work on their own bike, especially for me. Thank you for sharing.
no matter how good you make a video there is always a thumbs down. i do not understand it . i am saving these vids because i am doing mine when i get 25000 miles on it . i have 11000 on it now . 02 road king classic . thanks for the teaching .
There haters everywhere in this world. Lol. But I do understand. Theres this one guy that does electronics/repair on you tube and I just dont like his face, so I always thumbs down when his vids pop up. Lol
First time I've seen anyone take the oil pan off when replacing the tensioner shoes,,good thing to remember, my 2010 flhtc has 42k on it and will be taking a look here shortly,,great video 👍👍
I just pulled my cams out of my 2001 flht, inboard shoe was like new, the outboard shoe was 99% worn, in fact, it cracked when I lifted it off the chain, 26,600 miles. ????? never seen that before. I'm waiting for my s&s 509G kit to arrive, gear drive. the pinion shaft was .002 out, pretty dam good, I won't have to mess with it again. good vid, keep em coming.
Ya we recommend the first check of cam chain tensioners at 30k and there usally worn at the mileage, but tipically have alittle life left on them mabe 15-20% of bikes at 30k have serious tensioner ware I find. If your primary tensioner was serious warn like 99% and cracked (like the first tensioner you see when you remove the cam cover). I'd also check to make sure the compensator nut is tight. If the compensator nut is loose the crank can wiggle back and forth in the case moving the primary cam chain across the face of the tensioner causing cracking and excessive ware I've found.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard Great Point, TKS.
Great series of videos.. and unlike the others.. I got to see it run after the repair. That bike sounds great. Thank you...
You do really nice work. Seems the goal was to get tons of reliable miles out of the bike for a reasonable investment. SE cam plate seems like a good choice.
Saved that RoadKing’s life. Great work man. 👍🏻
Yep. She will live for another day! She ran pretty good for 20 years old.
Excellent!
Nicely done. Sounded good. Smooth
Thank you kindly!
Great videos man!
Great set of videos, watched all 3, great workmanship too. I am currently having this done to my 2001 Softail Classic at 30,000 miles. I love this bike and plan to keep it for another 20 years. (Been riding Harleys over 40 years) Nothing broken yet, but worn enough to replace with upgrade, Although I'm having a local independent shop that specializes in older Harleys doing it ( not the local Harley dealer, they did not seam to interested), I can't find videos on this subject seaming to mention cost? but I was quoted around $2,000 for parts and labor, sounded fair to me, I hope they do as good a job as you, I'll update later. Being a cabinet maker for 40 years I appreciate good work, and I know this was beyond my DIY, mechanical skills.
Thanks for the compliments!
How did the upgrade turn out?
This guy is putting in work.
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Just had this service done on my 02 FatBoy last year (29k). I inspected the original tensioner shoes and the front one was about 50%, but the inside one was paper thin. Luckily I was able to get the bike serviced before any major issues happened. Wish I saw this before going to dealer, but the dealer I used is very trustworthy and the mechanic did a great job. Runs great! I too stayed with OEM cams, solid lifter rods, but upgraded the roller lifters, and had the mechanic replace/upgrade the top end gaskets and breather filter. Your videos are well documented and should help those who like to do it themselves or are thinking about getting the work done and don’t realize the work involved. Keep up the great videos! Thumbs up and subscribed 👍😎
Did you have inner bearings replaced? Did you put new OEM cams in or reuse the pld cams? I went with gear drive and 510 S&S cams on my 01 FXDX. Huge difference in midrange.
@@paulfiore850 I had both inner and outer bearings done since the bikes at that time period (00-02) had “issues”, the higher mileage, and since they were in there already 😉. Bearings were cheap. I told service manager to install new OEM cams, but the tech that worked on it saw NO wear marks what so ever on old one, so they just reinstalled the same cam. Tech told me to keep doing the maintenance I was doing (regular oil changes) since there was no wear👍😎. I took that money saved and had the tech upgrade the tappets since those were slightly worn. I was extremely pleased with the work, and the bike runs like a clock. No major performance mods, just air cleaner and pipes. Still makes me smile like the day I got her 👍😉
@@SA-hk8xj what year is your bike? Mine's an 01. 99-02 had the Timkin bearings that had much better crankshaft "run out" numbers which is why I'd went with gear drive. I'm 68 so I decided to go with something that will probably last longer than me
@@paulfiore850 Mine is an ‘02. I like the idea of the gears, but I chose to stay with the chain. I’d rather deal with the chain as the weak point vs the gears causing something else break further in the motor. Just my preference. Glad to see your still riding 👍😎
Ty for the video
I saw the other video link you post below on how to roll engine over but I wanted to see how you do it and the special tools you used for a job like that I know it’s all basically the same but you’re more detail in deep and with the patient and sound more professional I wanted to See you not like other videos I watch before Thanks again God Bless you 🙏
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind next time. I've been trying to keep the vids under 30min so people dont loose attention. But maybe I can keep the details and just make the vids into more parts? Something for me to think about. That's for the comment.
Nice video
Good video thx. Man, you young guys sure work fast when you're getting paid $-Flat Rate $. Glad I'm retired, couldn't keep up that pace. lol
Thanks for the compliment !! you do have to be fast!!
These are amazing videos. High quality of movies and Job done as well!! Thank you very much. I am at the moment waiting for parts to arrive. half way there.
The Idea with heating up a cam plate - great!! will do that once the bearings will arrive. If I may have some questions here.
1. Do you have any proper and safe way to take off the race from one of the cam shafts (I want to keep the old ones)
2. How you have taken off the breather assembly so easy ? I have Road King 2002 FLHRC-I and it is a pain in the neck to take it off on rear cylinder.
thank you once more.!!Great Job
My '04 Electraglide has had the same upgrade. Bit of an oil weep around the oil pan. Be interested to see how you'd approach that. Bit of a tap-tap-tap under load too. Need to track that down. Enjoying the videos. Keep 'em coming. One request. Wear gloves on your test rides. You need your hands. :-)
Thanks so much! I have to do this in my 03'FXDX! I'm not looking forward to it.
Brad the Wizard Genius..
Just subbd because you are obv a good tech, who loves machinery and bikes.
Thanks for the sub!
Hi Brad, great educational videos . I have a 2014 flhtp with a 103HO and 28,000 miles. Anything I should be looking out for or just replace before something does happen?
Nope. 2014s are good solid bikes. Engines and transmission are good. It has the newer frame and front end and there good and robust. Just keep up on the services and torque fasners at the services and change the brake fluid every 2 years and there good.
Great job ! Just out of curiosity , where is it filmed ? The road is a real mess !
Just finished watching all 3. My tensioners calfed on me yesterday. Doing the exact same job. excellent tips. Question, that was one smooth idling Road King, carb or did you change out the Magnetti system??
ya its a Magnetti. I think it had a power commander on it also.
Good day Brad, first of all...I love all your videos!!!
Hopefully you have time for my questions. I bought a 2019 cvo street glide and I had all the works needed to be done before I got it out from the dealership,my biggest question is having a stage 4 kit done on a zero kilometres on my bike was it a good idea or waist of money. The reason why I ask on my Dynojet research results it was very poor. Ok I got the bike with a stage 4 kit already and I even did the first 1000km brake in before I got it dyno, I was even following the right procedure by riding the bike under 3 rpm so there will be no problems. Now I’ve done the 1000km with the first service and Dyno already with a stage 4 kit. First result tune max power 112.45 at engine RPM=5.88
Max torque 110.77 at engine RPM=4.07
Final tune
Max 119.63 at engine RPM=5.88
Max torque =116.55 at engine RPM= 3.88
Brad it’s a 117 engine with a stage 4 and it feels so slow and it doesn’t feel responsive.
I know I should not be comparing it to my fat boy 2015 with a stage 5 Tyre shredder fly by cable. Because the cvo street glide is much more heavyweight.
Then I test ride my best friend ROAD GLIDE SPECIAL stock 2019 114.
It’s more responsive and feels faster. Brad much appreciated if you can answer my questions was it worth having the stage 4 done on a brand new bike with zero km, especially on my cvo 2019??? And I didn’t even check if the bore size the pistons, valves,head,rollers are the same as a 117 engine to a stage 4...
Sorry rine hart full system and SE air filter high flow,that will not hit the speakers😂
Thank you so kindly if you can answer my questions
Thank you boss!! All the best!!
What kind of ecm tuner are you using?
MAXIMUS
Part number TR4-002-002
S19AD02?🤔
I wanted a SE but they said there out of stock and they said to me this is what the dealership are using.
Watched all 3 videos.Nice work.My question is I have a 2005 Soft Tail Deuse.I bought back in 2019 had 8900 miles showing on the odometer.I don't ride as much as I'd like to but IV rode it a little now has 10447 miles should I need to check the tension shoes or just put more miles on it.It didn't have any service history back when I bought it but I did do a 10000 mile service myself just to know what condition the motor is in.I didn't see and shiny metal in the oil or the filter when I cut it open.But been thinking about upgrading with S and S cams and cam plate kit.
If you plan on keeping the bike I'd recommend upgrading to the hydraulic tensioners or gear drives sooner than later. Your spring loaded tensioners can break at any time. They'll likely last 30-40k miles but in a few cases I've seen them brake apart as little at 15k miles (in these cases the compensator nut usually becomes loose) and that can lead to spring loaded tensioner cracking and breaking. Anyways... if you wanna do cams, the sooner the better. The bike will be more more fun to ride with cams and its value is higher with hydraulic tensioners or gear drives so it's a win win.
Love your videos great content But I was a bit disappointed when you maid it so short/ zip tru it I was looking forward waiting to see you put it together especially on This last video with more details like how to set it on the base circle and how to torque down the rocker covers what special tools you need for that because to reach to the bolts in the rear jug cover is not that easy maybe in the near future another video on That content will be awesome but still you’re awesome and I know you will make it big on the you tube community I will keep sharing and also love the new Title 👍👍
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind next time. I've been trying to keep the vids under 30min so people don't loose attention. But maybe I can keep the details and just make the vids into more parts? Something for me to think about. That's for the comment.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard If people lose attention over something as critical as assembling the engine they do not need to be even on your channel. I was also disappointed at the speed.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard make it three parts. I'd watch it.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge mate. I have a Road King Classic the same year and colour as this one, only got it 4 weeks ago and has 24,000 km's on it in Australia, hence the km's. How soon should I be checking out the cam chain tensioners? I'm still very much in the honeymoon stage taking her out for nice country rides (she is a beauty). Definitely don't want to learn the hard way and have them fail before replacing them.
At the equivalent of 30000 miles we do the first inspection in them for were. If there in good shape we tell the customer to inspect them in another 10000 miles. But if you plan on riding the bike bike a lot or keeping the bike in the future u might as well so the hydraulic cam chain tensioner upgrade at 30000 miles and be done with it for ever.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard thanks Brad. Sounds like a good little project to do during winter when the weather gets cold and wet. Love your channel, very insightful videos.
How much does this service cost to upgrade to the hydraulic cam tensioners?
Great video! Doing my chain tensioners on my 2004 FLHRCI, and have two tool questions as well as one general parts cleaning question. There are two tools you use, one is to measure crankshaft run-out, what is the name and where did you find it please. Also there is a blue tool that it appears pinches the cross-over fuel line at the tank, what's the name of that one? Lastly, if the customer wouldn't have had the damage and decided to just upgrade tensioners, how would you have cleaned out the cam plate? Thanks again for the great videos! You're starting to pick up quite a few subscribers.
The crank shaft tool is from milchracing.com and here is a link to the fuel line tool. amzn.to/2BMrDci sorry for the delay.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard Thank you so much for the info and the videos. Keep it up! Your videos are fantastic! You're the next John Maxwell.
Thanks!
Hey Wizard I have a question, what’s that “C” bar between cylinders? it looks like it attaches to the ventilation ports at the front of the cylinders.
That's a early style of the Screaming Eagle stage 1 air filter kit. it connects the breather ports to the air filter. Its all cast into the current Screaming eagle backing plates these days.
Hey Brad the wizard have a question for you I have a 2018 low rider and I want to upgrade my oil pump to the current Design do I have to take out the push rods and lifters or can I leave that in
if you leave the cam shaft engaged in the camshaft bearing in the engine case, it will hold up the lifters and pushrods so you wont need to remove them. So you would remove the rocker arms then the cam plate and oil pump. Thanks for the compliment and view!
What cams did you use?....inhad andrews 57 put in my 03 cvo road king with hydraulic lifters and adjustable pushrods....so had a bassani road rage 3 installed recently and the motor sounds like the pushrods need tightened. Theres a slight knocking sound only when the motor gets to running temp and when i come to a stop sign or red light. The harley mech that did it said its a normal sound and its just echoing back thru the air filter s&s stealth. Whats your opionion?...any advice is and will be very much appreciated Brad....
This bike got new OEM cams. Engine noises are difficult to diagnose so I cant really offer any insight into your particular situation. But some bolt-in cams are noisy on valve train. I prefer T-man cams as there are really quiet.
Curious if you ended up getting a new motor for the one with the metal flakes in it?
I will have to assemble a new engine (every individual part) for that bike as the motor company wont send me a whole engine. But yes it will be getting a new engine.
You probably already answered this question. But what is the cost on doing this? Labour & parts. I just purchased a 03 Road King Anniversary with 18k on it and put 2k on it the first week of getting the bike and want to do nice long runs. So after a little research I see changing out the tensioners is a good decision. In your professional opinion, is there any other issues I should address now instead of later?
Have a question. How would I put cruse control on my 2012 FLSTC . It has cables now .
I am not aware of a electronic cruise control kit for your vehicle. IT would have to be a mechanical throttle locker kind of product. There are many options available like that.
When is nxt video come out... where u been..🧐🧐
I'm going to start making a video on doing a 117 SE stage 4 kit on a 2020 breakout today and a quickie update of where I've been and on a couple exciting future upcoming videos. This new video probably wont be out for a few days. The shop has been super swamped with work so I've just been knocking work out fast. Here in michigan the weather has just broken 70 degrees and bacically every customer wants there bike out of winter storage and out of the shop so it goes from being "painfully slow" and within 2 weeks it goes to "pull your hair out crazy" it's normal for our season. Thanks for the question!!
Hey Brad, I just purchased a screaming eagle cam tensioners kit and I’m somewhat concerned about where to take my bike for this job. I’m in Florida do you have anyone that you could recommend? I’m in Fort Lauderdale!
Sorry. I don't know of anyone or anywhere to recommend. I'm not familiar with that area. But the cam tensioner job is one of the most popular jobs a senior/seasoned HD tech will have done so finding someone with experience will be easy.
Thank you Brad, I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me. I’ll be looking for an experience tack. The bike is a 2000 RoadKing which has only 5600 miles but I worried that the tensioners could be brittle because the age. Thank you JR
It's a good upgrade to do for sure. I haven't seen age negatively affect them. But doing it sooner rather than later doesn't hurt.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard Thank you, at least I know I don’t have to be in a hurry to get this done. Finding someone I can trust is important.
I think and have been told that my timing is off by one tooth and installing this on my bike. My question is if I pull the cover off and the timing marks are lined up on the outer gears, will that mean the mars on the cam shafts are lined up also, I guess what I am asking can you have the inside cam marks off one tooth and the outer be lined up correctly?
Yes. You can deffentally have the cams installed one tooth off from each other on the inner cam chain and also have the outer cam gears dots line up.
To varify I'd do a compression test first.
Ok sorry, does that me if the timing marks are lined up correctly on the outer gears I am good on the inside?
No. The outer most timing chain is splined to the rear cylinders camshaft the the inner timing chain links the front cam to the rear camshaft. So the front cam can be not timed right even tho the outermost timing chan dots line up. You'll have to pull off the outermost cam chain and remove its cogs to then see the dots on the camshafts themselves. That's the only way to visually varify.
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard I took it apart over the weekend, I had the timing marks lined up but where I had messed up at was I had the back or cams off from the front, it was only by a small amount, I straightened it out and it is running like a new bike now. Thanks for your input
That was a bunch of work...I bet it cost a pretty penny...is it over 1000.00 bucks?
It is alot of work, but the cost is usally 6 hours labor so labor wise it's well under $1000.
You obviously ain't from around here...so what state are you in?
I'm in Michigan USA. Where are you at?
@@HarleyDavidsonWizard smack in the middle of South Carolina....
Hello Brad we haven't seen you for awhile we miss you hope you are well check out my latest bike if you have the chance ruclips.net/video/A_Nd59d84T8/видео.html regards Alan and that crazy shed
That Fancy shed is starting to fill up!! Lol. Nice Find!! I'll be back up soon with more vids soon. Been super busy at the shop and at home lately and just been catching up on work.