Frank Reich: How To Get Fired In 11 Games
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2023
- The Carolina Panthers fired Frank Reich.
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Owner really screwed him over IMO, clear he wanted Stroud but ownership chose Young, whilst also giving away their best offensive weapon. Was always going to be a mess when the play-calling kept changing hands
And he was right. They should have drafted Stroud, what can you do with this Bum who doesn’t throw more than 5 yards down the field. Strouds making a shitty houston team look good😂
@@hhaste Nico Collins and Dalton Schultz have never been all to good in the league. They have been decent sure, But Stroud is making them look this good. Even Dak didn’t make Schultz look this good on the cowboys. Nico Collins has doubled his career best in yards this season already, only playing 9 games. Tank Dell is a rookie and yes he has played Fking phenomenal, he wouldn’t have this type of production on any other team other than the Chiefs. Stroud is also making a guy like Noah Brown, who hasn’t done much in his career at all, look good and Brown is on his way to a 700-800 yard season. Bryce Young would NOT have done that had he got drafted by the Texans. Bryce Young also would NOT have a TD-INT ratio of 19-5 if he was on the Texans. I’m not saying it’s all on Bryce Young, but to believe that Carolina team wouldn’t have been better off with Stroud is straight up stupid.
@@hhaste College stats don’t matter once you’re in the NFL. We’ve seen amazing players come out of college and be absolutely nothing in the NFL
@@hhastelol I love when people say he could be as good as stroud. He is on track to have the best rookie season of all time. You think there are 2 QBs in the same draft class that can be that guy? Also accuracy is not a factor when you take into account BYs YPA is by far the lowest in the league for starters. He is just not that good.
This year’s pre-draft CJ Stroud-Bryce Young “debate” was one of the strangest things I’ve ever encountered. I simply don’t get the fascination that the media has developed over the past few years with “intentionally” tanking to draft smaller QB’s from Alabama and Oklahoma with high-end first round picks. I would think that most NFL GM’s would WANT to draft QB’s with decent enough size and physical tools, but it’s almost like the media has hypnotized NFL front offices into going against drafting traditionally sized pocket passers who go to school anywhere that isn’t located in the Deep South. Up until this point, Herbert and Stroud have plainly looked better than Tua and Young, period.
As a 49ers fan, Tepper reminds me of Jed York in the mid-2010s, when he fired Harbaugh and replaced him with Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly, but unlike Tepper, York took a step back when he hired Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, and let them run the football stuff
49ers have Steve Wilks 😢 as DC. He should be the head coach of the Panthers…
Jimmy Haslam is a more direct comparison. He shuffled through Coaches and QB’s left and right in his first decade as owner in the 2010’s. It wasn’t until they built a consistent fringe playoff contender and Stefanski came in that they found stability, and even then, with the Browns situation it’s hard seeing Stefanski with the Browns in 3 years.
@@sawyertuide7636and both were minority owners of the steelers at one point. it’s wild that haslam and tepper learned nothing from the rooneys.
David Tepper is the new Dan Snyder
He lasted less games than Urban Meyer and Nathaniel Hacketts tenures in Jacksonville and Denver.
To be fair. Meyer should’ve been fired earlier than he did
Also, Reich literally had one of the worst rosters to begin with. Hackett and Meyer both had decent rosters
They had different owners with different levels of tolerance
Bad move by the owner in my opinion. Reich wasn’t good by any means, but what are they going to do now? No self respecting coach would want to be anywhere near Carolina, so whoever they end up hiring will be mid, at best. Reich should’ve been given the rest of this season, and the next one just to see how the team develops. There would have been absolutely nothing to lose.
Someone will take it. They may have to overpay
@@dannythunder3180Tepper tried that already with Matt Rhule
Really, they need to promote Ejiro Evero. He's a great defensive mind.
Bruh stop talking
Maybe they will pick up McDaniels 😂😂
I suspect Reich is going to sleep well tonight because he's free of this utter disaster of a franchise. He probably got promised a bunch of things by Tepper upon hiring and then had the meddling owner pull the rug out from under him over and over. Reich seemed like he was going through the motions at best. But, he will get to count on being paid out the rest of his four year contract and can retire a wealthy man. I'm sure he'll go do the rounds of Christian rah-rah tours and be happy.
Urban can say he lasted longer 😂
😂😂😂😂
😂😂
though he probably didn't last long with that young girl grinding on him at the bar.
He also set up the jaguars for what they are now. Urban may not have succeeded in the NFL, but he still had an eye for talent.
@4thlord51 No doubt I'm a OSU fan so ik.
its really alarming just how bad of a situation bryce is in. no weapons, his o-line gives him no time, its the sort sort of spot that leads to guys developing bad habits or stunting their growth. its just bad vibes all around. there's a case to be made for benching him just so you don't ruin him before you can actually see what he looks like with any sort of help
Fire the GM for drafting the wrong QB and giving away so much draft capital for nothing
Welcome to the Raiders old way
He isn't the wrong QB as he is actually the most accurate. He just needs a better Line to protect him and give him time to settle
The owner wanted the wrong QB. The whole staff wanted Stroud
It was the owner who pushed for young. Riech wanted shroud
So fire David Tepper
What legitimate HC wants to deal with that dumpster fire of a roster, without a 1st round pick to help turn things around for the next couple of seasons?
As a human I feel bad for him.
Being fired twice in one calendar year has to hurt anyone.
Fortunately he was paid a FORTUNE so he's going to be ok.
U live in merica and U are under 35years old, U aren’t humane that is for sure.l.
The nfl pays more unemployed “millionaire coaches” than they do actual coaches still under contract?! butden how could they know, oh shit what.,.
There is literally BILLIONS OF DOLLARS being paid to unemployed coaches that are and were pieces of shit….so did I see urban Meyer on the sidelines as an analyst, yup fauch the nfl and college foozball, it’s scripted BS PERIOD….
Reich with be making about $25K a day for the next 3yrs
@ImGoingSupersonic look up the legal concept of 'mitigation of contract damages."
Depends if he gets another job.
@MrUpscaleman From what i heard, he doesn't have that in his contract. You can always negotiate. Who knows though, its just what i heard. Could be wrong
@@ImGoingSupersonic I SERIOUSLY question your source.
When the Panthers traded away DJ Moore to move up, it should've been an indicator that they have NO IDEA what they were doing. If you are to nurture a QB, you need to make sure that their roster around him is decent. Stroud was thrown into a position where he can succeed because he's had the owner's trust and the roster was in a decent spot to build around him, it's no wonder why he's playing lights out compared to Young.
Spot on. Fix the OLine immediately! Go hard in off-season and sign good quality linemen, and draft a 2 WRs in the lower rounds. Give Young time and options to thrive
he's also just way better than Young. Young is another midget bust
@@paranoia_xo Not disagreeing about Stroud being better than Young. I'm glad that we have him instead, but there isn't a single QB that would be able to survive in the conditions Young is in.
Dude, The Texans offense aside from Stroud looked just as bad as Carolina’s on paper going into the year. Stroud is just much better than Young and making no name guys look great.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx Our team wasn't anywhere near as void as talent as you think it is man. Nico Collins showed flashes of being good but we had poor QB play for two years. Tank was a rookie but he always looked really talented coming out of college. Dalton Schultz was also a proven tight end that we got on a 1 year deal, if you're calling him a no name then you just don't know ball.
I can tell you right now, every colts fan knew it wasn’t only on our QBs. It was Frank, you just didn’t see what we saw
If Bill Belichick gets a high first round pick he will only trade down for more picks. Which is smart. Unless you take a QB but I'd be bolstering the OLine first!
The quality of the entire league feels like it’s getting worse tbh. So many incredibly bad teams this year.
David Tepper should just appoint himself as the GM and Head Coach
Crazy how one of the newest owners in the league took such little time to establish himself as the worst owner in the NFL honestly kind of impressive would be hilarious if he sold the team in a few more years would be one of the worst owners in NFL history
Look people are going to say Panthers should have drafted Stroud over Young but I'm positive that Stroud maybe would have won two or so more games I'm sure he would just as bad for f a situation. I remind folks of the Bears in 2017. If they drafted Patrick Mahomes he would have probably been the biggest draft bust in the 2010's. It's all about situations and what players can and can't do while on a team
💀💀. Boy the Texans were trash af too. Stop it
Yeah yeah… people are acting like cj stroud was thrown onto some superstar roster with an all time great head coach like Andy Reid. Not to mention mahomes sat out for a year behind Alex smith two completely different situations. The fact is that cj stroud is the better qb and was more nfl ready🤷♂️ cj stroud literally put up the greatest rookie performance of all time. If roles were reversed you’re telling me Bryce young would’ve done that? Bullshit. Cj should’ve absolutely been the pick and that’s just how it is
@@DominicRogers-gs1fm no I'm just saying if Stroud went to the Panthers he probably would've played just as bad. Yes Texans didn't have the best try rooster but the Panthers they got rid of some of they best players in the offseason. I'm not trying to downplay CJ guy is playing great football but every team is different in how they run and I really do believe Stroud would have had a.500 or lower record with the Panthers
@@jamesswearengin5182 I hear you, and I think you’re right. But I also think people need to accept that cj stroud is the better quarterback, and was the better qb going into the draft.. he should’ve gone number 1.
@@DominicRogers-gs1fm oh 100% I agree he's the better QB right now I just don't like when people say a team should of drafted this Guy over this guy and act like they would he'd have had a better time when it's like your whole organization is a mess and need to fix something it's a team sport that needs multiple people doing things right
Don’t forget about Steve Wilks, he should be the head coach. They would be 6-5 right now or better…
I think they should have kept until the end of the season. However, there are many coaches who are better off staying away from head coach.
Tepper has single-handedly driven this team into the ground. Words can’t describe the sadness this man has caused this franchise. I’ve been a panther fan my whole life and I can’t even recognize this team anymore. It doesn’t feel the same. I mean, we have had a ton of personnel and player changes throughout my lifetime, but even through all of that, it still felt like the same team and franchise. It still held together regardless of our record or anything like that. These days that feeling is completely gone. Tepper has sucked every bit of soul out of my team, and the worst part is, he still hasn’t learned his lesson and continues to kill us. Such a terrible situation.
Chargers should take note and fire Staley
Honest truth, look at what happened after they finally made tomlin get rid of his buddy Canada... the offense actually showed a little bit of life.
To be fair Staley coached a mostly good game against Baltimore. Not much shame for him there
@JohnAC4 true but with all of the talent he has on defense you would think he would have a actual defense.. it's his baby.. and heck yes he gets a few sacks but not much else... you would like to think that they should be an average defense... but no when it comes down to it.. they are a bottom feeder defensively.
@@JohnAC4 dude is the most incompetent coach in the nfl
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Reich is like McDaniels, they are both great OC but as head coach the fall short .
Mcdaniels isn’t even that great of an OC
@@JohnAC4 lol, are you fucking kidding me? Mcdaniels is a very, very high tier OC.
Reich finished more seasons and still made the playoffs 😂
reich is a better coach than mcdaniels. that being said reich consistently started slow
You can’t expect him to do anything if you put him in a bad spot and give him one off season to get his pieces into place. Bad on owners not him
Tepper is shaping up to be the new Dan Snyder
A very apt comparison of the 2023 Carolina Panthers season to me at least is the 2011-2012 Charlotte Bobcats.
A team whose weapons are either past their prime or journeymen type players and put them in to be the #1 option
From a colts fan, you had to know what they were getting when he was hired. Frank didn't change and his record shows. Nice guy but not a head coach or a play caller. Colts only went after Frank due to McDaniels backing out.
Who even wants to coach that team? Surely they won't draw premium candidates and will be stuck rolling the dice on their next choice. They're trapped in a perpetual state of suck.
This is what I am thinking: a team sucks so bad they are positioned to get pick 1, but they traded that pick 1.
If you're a Carolina fan, you better hope for the best for Bryce. He's gonna be your guy for the next 2 seasons, at least.
I'm really hoping he's able to grow tall enough to ride the rides at Carowinds
I say next season. Not 2. New coach coming eventually. And potentially a new GM. He/they will absolutely want their own Pick for QB and it may be the very thing that determines if they accept Teppers offer or not. Trying to create an offensive scheme and roster around a short/small QB who's not athletically explosive and most importantly...statistically weak and inaccurate over 20 air yards with his arm (even in college) is no easy task. At best...Bryce can be a lesser version of Kyler Murray who'll never play in a superbowl
Just a point of clarification. The reason for Dallas building a solid roster over the past few years via the draft is BECAUSE Jerry Jones got out of the way and handed the reins over to his son Stephen Jones who has obviously done a better job with roster construction. 😁
Dallas has been a decent team for decades. The fans are just too hard on them. Jerry built many great squads, this is another.
The issue with Jerry is that he always get in the way that could take the team from a good team to a great team that could content for a Super Bowl. His son is getting more say, Jerry still has the final say and it will remain that way till most likely the day he dies.
Unfair firing, the Panthers owner seems to move on too quickly. The word Head Coach is just another word for Scapegoat. At least give them 2 years to see if there's improvement from year 1. For Bryce Young, same thing. Peyton Manning, Trevor Lawrence, Jared Goff are just some examples of QBs who looked terrible in their rookie year, then showed huge improvement in year 2.
Hiring Frank is never the "right move" and it is only "hindsight" if you completely ignored the last couple of seasons with the Colts.
I think mike zimmer, jim harbaugh, mike shannahan, tom caughlin, or jim caldwell will be the next panthers head
I hope people remember this, realize the NFL is not the NBA and "blow it up and start over" doesn't really work in the NFL. Every draft and every trade deadline there are oh so, SO many people saying this or that team should be sellers, trade their good players to build up that draft capital, trade up to get their guy etc. Well Tepper did all these things and the 2023 Panthers are the result.
Because come April there'll be a ton of people urging their team to trade everything for one of Chicago's picks so they can "get their guy." Just remember what the results are likely to be.
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Owners like Tepper make me glad to be a Packers fan.
The Panthers took a big swing on giving up all those pics. Bryce has potential but the Panthers need to work on everything they need……because yikes.
It doesn’t make sense that Frank Reich was fired but the GM is still employed.
sometimes firing a coach can spark a team. but the panthers season was dead by that point.
Can we bring people from the 2015 team back even to just work as assistants maybe that would help create a better more positive environment for everyone by revising what really helped us have success during that year and other good years.
I don’t blame Reich for failing with what he had. Like seriously I know he isn’t a good HC but that Panthers team was nowhere near ready to make a deep push with JUST a new shiny rookie QB
To be fair, at least Jerry Jones does draft really well and he’s at least won as an owner
even jerry has let some control go. for example jerry wanted johnny manziel… and was held back, they drafted a future HOFer in zach martin instead.
Are you from Wisconsin? Or Michigan.
As a Saints fan, tepper constantly destabilizing a team in my division makes things great for me.
Tepper may be worst owner in the league after synder has been bought out
They should've kept Steve wilkes
Exactly
I feel for the panthers fans . Washington spent damn near a quarter century wanting to fire the owner . HTTR/C Since 76 . I watched dexter manley and dave butz .
Former player head coaches with few exceptions early work out. Not all clearly.
David Tepper is the problem, not Reich or any coaches. Tepper is the one who needs to go
Frank Reich is a coach for established quarterbacks, not for young developing quarterbacks
That's fair. Like Bellichick and Mac Jones....there's just some basic fundamentals to QBing that Bryce seriously needs help with (before and during the actual throw) that old geezers just aren't up to doing. I think that's a part of his problem that nobody wants to acknowledge. Even when he has time...his footwork, drop backs, step ups, hip twist, planting of his feet....all need serious work. I think it's those basic but crucial qualities like that, that really sets CJ apart from Bryce. CJ takes the snap and moves like a pro. Bryce literally looks like a HS QB post snap that has no intention to even throw the ball
Unless Tepper sells the franchise which is highly unlikely to happen anytime soon, this team won’t be going anywhere regardless of who our HC is. Our O-line is horrible, our receivers are awful, and to cap it all off we basically traded away DJ Moore along with either Caleb Williams or Marvin Harrison to the Bears just so we could get Bryce Young. David Tepper may just be as bad of an owner as Dan Snyder was minus all of the off-the-field controversies/politics brought into light against the latter which ended up forcing him to sell. At least when Jerry Richardson (R.I.P.) was the owner we were somewhat competitive, despite never having back-to-back winning seasons. We made it to two Super Bowls (even though we lost both of them sadly) and had undoubtedly the best season in franchise history under his tenure back in 2015. At least then the team was much fun to watch especially with Prime Cam as our QB before his health caught up to him. Nowadays I don’t even really look forward to watching this team on Sundays or any other day anymore. Goes to show how bad it’s gotten here in Carolina and will likely continue to stay that way in the foreseeable future until David Tepper sells the team to someone who actually cares about winning and changing the culture. But hey I’m only a fan so what more do I know 🤷🏾♂️
Owners have the easiest job of evaluating a hire to run your team and sit back for a MINIMUM 3 years to see how that coach hire went I believe 11 games is no where near enough time to strike a fire
General manager up next
While the fans may not deserve it, the Carolina Panthers DisOrganization deserve this. Steve Wilks took a team last year that fired Matt Rhule, traded their best player (Christian McCaffrey), and still had that team in playoff contention (albeit in the joke NFC South) until the final week of the season. Wilks deserved the head coaching job.
I have no problems with owners controlling the roster except for Qb I feel like you have to let the HC pick their quarterback
With that contract Reich signed, hell be making $25k a day for the next 3yrs.
As a colts fan I kinda figured it would end this way he isn’t a good coach I think he’s a good a coordinator with only focusing on the offense but head coach was is too much on his plate.
I'll be honest as a Chargers fan, if we don't get Bill or Jim Harbaugh, I wouldn't mind seeing Frank Reich on our sidelines. Anything more than Staley plus Frank seems like the type of guy we'd go for.
Should’ve drafted stroud and kept Wilkes I’ve said since day one that we hired him and I screamed it in draft night
I do believe in Bryce it might take some time but he'll be fine
They have no good linemen to protect your quarterback so the field he need better receivers
It’s the Owner he controls everything he makes all the calls. He doesn’t let his staff or coaches who know what they are doing makes the decisions or calls. Like trading CMC for a bag of chips. Drafting JC Horn instead or Michael Parson. Drafting Bryce over CJ and so on!
You haven't watched Carolina much if you think they can only get better. They can get worse. I'm really shocked that their only win came against Houston though.
After this mnf game, the R word is coming into my thoughts.
You miss Jerry Richardson, Panthers fans?
Oh wow. McCown and Staley fired as well.
My beats still get the pick too panthers are dumb maybe they get Greg Olsen as a head coach
As a Carolina fan Bryce just need help we we had need to fire Frank because he keep calling plays now David Tepper let our new head Coach just cook💯
I think he should have been fired only because the report came out that he would not implement things on offense that Young is use to running. He wanted Young to conform to his offense instead of building the offense around Young’s talents.
Bryce Young going to be Mitch Trubisky and Mariota at this rate
Neither of which were given a fair shot
The second time a white HC replaces the more favorable black interim HC. This happened with the raiders with fucking josh mcdaniels, the bias these old head owners have is crazy. They really thought bringing in some random is a better idea than keeping the HC the team actually likes.
Hell ive been fired twice in one day
The offensive line is to blame due to it being so bad. I’m sure they’ll go into the offseason getting some better players and maybe do better next year.
The OL is bad cause the QB sucks. Damn shame they get blitzed so often (teams even send their safeties In hot) cause Bryce isn't sweet. People say Brady wouldn't stand a chance behind that line. Put Brady behind that line and defenses will back TF up
If Tepper had just given Wilks another chance, the team would be fine right now.
When owners act like they are GMs that’s when you have a problem..they don’t see success then they fire everyone who they think is the problem..Tepper hired people to be GM/HC/OC/QB Coach/RB Coach etc then goes and tell them how to do their job and who to take..why can’t owners just be owners and let the people they hire do their job..smh
So the owner shoulrdnt make their own choices with thier team? The one you know... They own...i dont understand when fans think they should have roster control when the owner cant.
Cardinals dodged a major bullet. Thank you Carolina!!!😅
David Tepper please sell the Carolina Panthers
Reich fell apart when Siriani left
They should hire Matt Canada
Lol
I feel for panther fans. It seems like the owner is ruining the team 😢
Frank Reich should have not been the coach in the first place, they should have kept their interim coach and everyone knew even before the season started this was going to be a disaster.
Josh McDaniels to the panthers 😅
Time to call Bryce a bust.
This owner is not a smart football decision maker😂. The gm either. It wasn't Reich that got fleeced by the Bears of all teams😳😱🤣🤣 but he's taking the blame. Probably a blessing in disguise for Reich
i had no idea why the panthers hired frank reich
I think for his ability to nurture young QBs. But it doesn't help when your QB has no line to protect him
Reich only possible mistake, was not making Dalton number one QB and letting Young learn behind him. If the “dumb” owner is going to fire you for not having enough wins, that was the way to go.
I seriously doubt the owner was gonna let him bench Bryce. Bryce was the owners pick. Sort of like Jerry Jones and Dak. You F with Dak and you're gettin fired lol
All you had to do was make Steve Wilkes the next head coach.
Panthers GM should’ve been fired before anyone
I feel bad for Bryce young
Frank Reich got spanked right for settin' traps
It always fall s on the coach. Bad drafting, bad management decisions and bad effort by many of the players yet the problem is Frank Reich??? The franchise fell apart when Kuechly retired. He was the catalyst that held the team together. Defensive genius and play caller. Best at his position in the league period. Then the wholesale dismantling, sending Christian to the49ers and acquiring zero real talent. Blame that on Frank. Jimmy Johnson went through the same meat grinder with Dallas yet they kept Jimmy and then things got better. It’s the win now league or go home. The owners blew it, the office blew it but they want to have success regardless. Every winning team had to be built but the mentality seems to be, if we give you manure you should give us roses.
Bears fans licking their lips at the first overall pick😂
Also I don’t want to hate on Reich too much but it’s clear that no matter what either side says, I don’t think the working relationship between Reich and Tepper was god at all! Plus Tepper just seems really rude and he acts like he doesn’t care! Tepper is a crappy owner of course not as bad as Snyder was for Washington for all those years, but still
Oh it could get worse. It could get much worse l, actually. And it may.
As a bucs fan Ik we in a awful spot but the panthers are gonna be the worst team for at least the next 3-5 years
Also we should not have hired Matt Rhule at all either that screwed us over from the beginning. Tepper needs to stop meddling and just shut up!
no more excuses for Bryce
Not even close
Tepper can't fire himself, sooooo - this
How can we fire Matt Eberflus