Allen, Alan or Alyn, you bring is the most practical reviews on the net. Your succint descriptions are attention getting gems. Tanks for the safety pointers that you 'gift' us. 👍👍
Great vid, I’ve got some very old slugs and buckshot rounds that were the old corked style. I was told years ago that the cork absorbed the moisture and kept the powder dry. I don’t know about submerging them in water but I do know that after over 45 years in an outdoor garage in the Texas heat and humidity they still fire!
Theres a video by tactical hyve about flinching. Says there's 2 types of anticipation- 1 is anticipating the shot (bad one), 2nd is anticipating the recoil (good one). From what i could tell, you "flinched" after you pulled the trigger, so it was the good one of being ready for the recoil.
This was a welcomed video to watch. Even outside of Alaska, like here in Michigan…many deer/bear hunt with these (or very similar to them). Had me thinking with how often we are hunting in wet/snowy conditions…and at upwards of $20/5rd box for some slugs (Brenneke Black Magic)…how many people may not know if their slugs have become affected??? This is good food for thought for these slugs in the future👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Thanks!
I did the same thing with wax at first then used silicone caulk that I had laying around. Seems to work pretty well so far. Just use the Black Magic. It's the same slug just a bit more powder.
Bill, if you read my flinch comment you will see where I said it happens to all of us. I don’t think anyone is honestly totally void of flinching at some point. Visual flinches are more common than most when shooting moving targets like we do.
I’m glad you did this video, I did not realize these slugs were this vulnerable to moisture. Just what you don’t want for a bear load. I know a lot of ADFG run 375 H&H or 338 what are your thoughts about those types of ammo? Certainly would be more water resistant.
Rifle cartridges should be about 100% waterproof and would be a better choice but we need to use shotguns for the less lethal hazing rounds that get used a lot more often than the lethal slugs.
"Just what you don't want for a bear load." What a joke 😂😂😂 Brenneke's have been effective bear stoppers for decades. Idk if it fails some dumb moisture test, it's right up there with the 45-70 using hardcast and .338 win mag when it comes to actually dropping charging/problem bears in documented real world situations.
Hi! Thanks for the very clear, well-designed test video. I use 20 ga slug rounds for deer in MN in a rifled barrel bolt gun (Savage 220). We had a opening weekend full of rain this year. The next weekend one of our party had his first failure to fire in many years. Sealing with hot glue, caulk, or thicker nail polish sounds good. My question is this: My rounds have a plastic sabot around the bullet that should separate as soon as they exit the muzzle. My concern is that the sealer might interfere with that separation and throw off the external ballistics. Did your rounds have a sabot around the bullet? If so, did you find any sabots in the snow after your test? Mine are usually 10-15 feet in front of the muzzle. Thanks!
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 your welcome really like the video's I been up to Anchorage a few times driving truck but never really got to in joy anything I need to some day and try to get drawn for a license do u still do drawings
I have to use the 870 they give me while working, also I need a shotgun to shoot the less lethal hazing rounds. Those get used a lot more often. You are right though about the 45-70, wouldn't have this problem.
Great demonstration again. I shouldn’t expect anything less from this channel. I sure hope you take the glue gun with you when you go to Kodiac. I know the big brownies seem to be less aggressive with the salmon running. It only takes one with a bad attitude to make for an emergency situation. I’d hate to see a failure be the cause of a mauling or worse. Take care and thanks for the great video.
I wanted to add that the big flinch is not uncommon when you are expecting something other than normal performance from your ammo or firearm. Nothing to be ashamed of. It happens to us all 🤷🏼♂️. At least you know you did it and can learn from it.
You didnt seal the primer. I use a mixture of gun oil mixed into melted bees wax in a very thin film pressed into the primer gaps. Forms a paste. The more wax, the firmer the paste. I apply it with a firm hair brush, lightly tapping it into the grooves, wiping the excess down but leaving a thin film over all. Thanks for the notice here though. Going into the timber it wouldnt be helpful if my bear ammo didnt fire off. Dont be cooking your ammo bud. Just dont be going there. Bad JuJu.
I did consider that. That is why I used craft hot glue instead of a stronger adhesive. I think it seals the powder charge without providing much more resistance than the crimp.
Thats kinda pathetic that you are issued slugs to be out in the wilderness that can't get wet. I've unintentionally left 22s and steel case 7.62x39 out side for days. Yes they were rained on. The 22s fired fine so did the 7.62x39s despite being fairly rusty. A decent slug should be more waterproof than a 22 or a cheap steel case round.
Very well done, I would add silver, ash, Holy water and a job application to your glue mix and you will have protection from werewolves, wendigos, vampires and the homeless, thanks!
Allen, Alan or Alyn, you bring is the most practical reviews on the net. Your succint descriptions are attention getting gems. Tanks for the safety pointers that you 'gift' us. 👍👍
Thanks a lot Bruce, I appreciate it!
Great vid, I’ve got some very old slugs and buckshot rounds that were the old corked style. I was told years ago that the cork absorbed the moisture and kept the powder dry. I don’t know about submerging them in water but I do know that after over 45 years in an outdoor garage in the Texas heat and humidity they still fire!
Cool, I didn't know that. Maybe they do help with humidity.
Chuck at Alaskan Ballistics had Brennekes fail after they were submerged. Good video and great results from the hot glue!
Thanks a lot. I remember him mentioning it before.
Great review, love this channel
Glad you enjoy it!
top tier stuff, coming from AK also, you the man!
I enjoy all your programs, nice ..congrats
Thanks!
Thanks so much, it helps a lot!
you are correct in every way Allen... I loved the flinch...LOL.... done it many times myself.
Haha, happens to us all I guess. Thanks for watching!
Another Super video pard , Good to know ! Stay safe 🤠👍👍
Thanks a lot Bill!
Yep gotta seal them up for sure !
I freaking love your videos!
Thanks Daniel!
Theres a video by tactical hyve about flinching. Says there's 2 types of anticipation- 1 is anticipating the shot (bad one), 2nd is anticipating the recoil (good one). From what i could tell, you "flinched" after you pulled the trigger, so it was the good one of being ready for the recoil.
Hey brother! Met you at Fairbanks Alaska Ammo shop man keep up the great content!
It was good talking to you. Hope you enjoy your new 1911!
I've heard nail polish can be used as a sealant around the crimp. I'd probably also look at something to seal around the primer...
I could see that being a problem, especially over long periods of time.
Sitting above a pot of boiling water doesn’t really prove much.. no ammo is ever gonna be subjected to anything close to that
This was a welcomed video to watch. Even outside of Alaska, like here in Michigan…many deer/bear hunt with these (or very similar to them). Had me thinking with how often we are hunting in wet/snowy conditions…and at upwards of $20/5rd box for some slugs (Brenneke Black Magic)…how many people may not know if their slugs have become affected??? This is good food for thought for these slugs in the future👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Thanks!
Another excellent video. Practical and useful. I’ve heard that some use wax instead of hot glue. Does that work too?
Thanks! I have never used wax but I imagine anything that seals off the powder charge without causing excess pressure would work.
I did the same thing with wax at first then used silicone caulk that I had laying around. Seems to work pretty well so far. Just use the Black Magic. It's the same slug just a bit more powder.
Thanks Allen, good video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Really interesting video; thank you.
Thanks for watching!
I would recommend a thin coat of clear nail polish on the primer
Great video Alan and I’ve seen your dad flinch like that on a trap load so don’t let him give you any crap 😂
Thanks a lot! I didn't know he flinched sometimes haha.
Bill, if you read my flinch comment you will see where I said it happens to all of us. I don’t think anyone is honestly totally void of flinching at some point. Visual flinches are more common than most when shooting moving targets like we do.
Nice video
Years ago my dad told me to use wax any 12 gauge buckshot or slug round now I'm going to try the hot glue
Seems like I just figured out the same trick the old timers have been using this whole time.
I’m glad you did this video, I did not realize these slugs were this vulnerable to moisture. Just what you don’t want for a bear load. I know a lot of ADFG run 375 H&H or 338 what are your thoughts about those types of ammo? Certainly would be more water resistant.
Rifle cartridges should be about 100% waterproof and would be a better choice but we need to use shotguns for the less lethal hazing rounds that get used a lot more often than the lethal slugs.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 that’s a totally fair point I had not considered
"Just what you don't want for a bear load." What a joke 😂😂😂
Brenneke's have been effective bear stoppers for decades.
Idk if it fails some dumb moisture test, it's right up there with the 45-70 using hardcast and .338 win mag when it comes to actually dropping charging/problem bears in documented real world situations.
@@nickleback3695 Wow, you are a total moron
Looks like I’m gonna run some hot glue on my shotgun shells from now on. It’s wet here in TN. 😁
It seems to be a problem unique to these slugs, it's really easy for moisture to get to the powder charge.
“I flinched like a big dog on that one” 😂😂😂😂
Haha, glad you liked that!
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 honestly man, you just crack me up, I love this channel. It’s cool to see you kind of finding a rhythm here with it.
Hi! Thanks for the very clear, well-designed test video. I use 20 ga slug rounds for deer in MN in a rifled barrel bolt gun (Savage 220). We had a opening weekend full of rain this year. The next weekend one of our party had his first failure to fire in many years. Sealing with hot glue, caulk, or thicker nail polish sounds good.
My question is this: My rounds have a plastic sabot around the bullet that should separate as soon as they exit the muzzle. My concern is that the sealer might interfere with that separation and throw off the external ballistics. Did your rounds have a sabot around the bullet? If so, did you find any sabots in the snow after your test? Mine are usually 10-15 feet in front of the muzzle. Thanks!
Great video...missed ya for awhile..but “flinched like a big dog” still has me LMAO
Stay safe
Haha, Glad you liked it. Good to hear from you!
It says defense do they think defense won't ever be in a wet or humid situation I think not. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 your welcome really like the video's I been up to Anchorage a few times driving truck but never really got to in joy anything I need to some day and try to get drawn for a license do u still do drawings
@@hawkeye7834 Some hunts are drawing but general season hunts can be done over the counter. Some species require a guide.
@@gunsgearoutdoorsalaska5875 I'm going to have to look into it more caus if I do it I wanted to go for a bear that's probably a guide hunt
Interesting torture test
Thanks!
I would have thought those shells would have melted in that steam coming off of there
They seemed to hold up just fine.
Cool all around.
“Big Dog Fflinch” it’s good to be humble.
Haha, happens to the best of us.
Thanks for sharing. 45-70 might be safer! And your 44 or 10 mm as a back up!
I have to use the 870 they give me while working, also I need a shotgun to shoot the less lethal hazing rounds. Those get used a lot more often. You are right though about the 45-70, wouldn't have this problem.
I wonder if the glue affects the flight of the slug?
I was curious about that too. Didn't seem to hurt it enough to miss my 8 inch plate at 30 yards.
Always used wax/paraffin on my shotty ammo
Great demonstration again. I shouldn’t expect anything less from this channel.
I sure hope you take the glue gun with you when you go to Kodiac. I know the big brownies seem to be less aggressive with the salmon running. It only takes one with a bad attitude to make for an emergency situation. I’d hate to see a failure be the cause of a mauling or worse.
Take care and thanks for the great video.
Thanks a lot! I think I will do that.
Brought to you by hot glue!!
I agree poor customer service.
I wanted to add that the big flinch is not uncommon when you are expecting something other than normal performance from your ammo or firearm. Nothing to be ashamed of. It happens to us all 🤷🏼♂️. At least you know you did it and can learn from it.
Thanks, I was thinking about what would happen more than the shot.
You didnt seal the primer. I use a mixture of gun oil mixed into melted bees wax in a very thin film pressed into the primer gaps. Forms a paste. The more wax, the firmer the paste. I apply it with a firm hair brush, lightly tapping it into the grooves, wiping the excess down but leaving a thin film over all. Thanks for the notice here though. Going into the timber it wouldnt be helpful if my bear ammo didnt fire off.
Dont be cooking your ammo bud. Just dont be going there. Bad JuJu.
Playing with fire by putting hot glue on them...it could build up the pressure and make for an unpleasant day,,
I did consider that. That is why I used craft hot glue instead of a stronger adhesive. I think it seals the powder charge without providing much more resistance than the crimp.
Special Forces?…Ha Ha🤣
Haha, they are special all right.
Special DESERT forces only. No SEALs.
Thats kinda pathetic that you are issued slugs to be out in the wilderness that can't get wet. I've unintentionally left 22s and steel case 7.62x39 out side for days. Yes they were rained on. The 22s fired fine so did the 7.62x39s despite being fairly rusty. A decent slug should be more waterproof than a 22 or a cheap steel case round.
Rifle and handgun ammo absolutely has the advantage when it comes to being waterproof.
Very well done, I would add silver, ash, Holy water and a job application to your glue mix and you will have protection from werewolves, wendigos, vampires and the homeless, thanks!