Thanks! Will see what time allows in the future. Right now life is a bit crazy, so it won't be for a while. Think I would prefer to do some more hunting adventures first. Cheers.
I have used this slug for deer for over 50 years and it has never failed me. At any range out to 100 yards it will group 3"- 4" depending on the shotgun and the sighting equipment. I use a 1x Bushnell scope. The German designer, Herr Brenneke, hunted all over the world with this slug design, including Africa where he took lion and buffalo with it.
My oh my!!! you have caught me!!! Secretly I am actually a gay girl trapped in a mans body looking for my leopard lover! Seriously do you just go around looking to offend people by insinuating hidden feeling from youtube comments? Or is your ego so small you have to insult others to feel good?
Brenneke has a slug called Special Forces Short Magnum. It is a 2 3/4 inch 1 1/4 ounce slug that Brenneke claims can penetrate almost 35 inches of ballistic gelatin. I don't know if it would be a good bear stopper.
Well done! Been trying to learn more about shotguns and your channel has been super helpful - all your videos have been fantastic. Thanks for your hard and thorough work!
The title of the video is misleading. These are not Foster slugs, they are Brenneke style slugs. There is a difference. Great vid regardless I love your shotgun vids! :D
Thanks for your comment and encouragement! Unlikely there will be any more ammo tests - if time allows I've got ideas for a couple more hunting videos. Cheers.
Brenneke Slugs are excellent boar stoppers. Up to 60 yards they will drop every hog dead in it's tracks. A lot of old hunters load their drillings with two Brennekes and a rifle round for boar hunting here. It was- and still is- very effective.
Now that you have all the tests done in this series, I think it makes more sense in regard to viewer comprehension and convenience to have all three tests in one video. Excellent commentary pointing out the "ridges forming sharp petals" and their potential effect. Nice touch cocking the shotgun on camera on all three episodes. It really added action to the series. Very reminiscent of playing a first person shooter video game. Good job building suspense by placing shotgun shells behind gelatins. At the second episode of the series, I thought to myself, the next episode with the Brenneke he's definitely going to hit those shells. Be careful, bro. Don't want to hit the primer on those shells.
Would love to get my hands on some alternative Brenneke offerings...my problem is that I'm at the mercy of our importers, who only import very limited stuff which I understand they do only because of how hard the certification process is here in Canada. Seems fishy to me, but that's what I'm told...
If you want to see what a deep penetrator can do, you should really try using the "Brenneke Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum". It is a 2 3/4" shell throwing a 1 3/8 oz. hardened slug that was designed and created to penetrate deeper through tougher materials. It might be interesting to see how much damage it would do to the geleten you test with.
I'll second the request for a video with the 2-3/4" Remington Slugger at 1560fps. I have found them to "compress" but maintain heading and integrity. I am very curious how it compares.
That would be an interesting test! Don't think I'm working with any more gelatin though, will be focusing what little film time I have on hunting adventures.
Would be interesting to see some long range performance of those test now, I live in a shotgun only deer area where I usually hunt and have seen some people take some crazy long shots with foster slugs.
Appreciate your comment, but unlikely I'll be doing any more ammo tests in the near future. If I get back to making more content, it will almost certainly be in a hunting or target practice context.
Don't think I'll have time this summer to do anymore slug gelatin testing, but I am hoping to do a deer hunting episode using shotgun slugs. Will make a special effort to shoot in a way that allows for recovery of the slug...;)
Another couple of recommendations for testing... Two offerings from Dixie Slugs, the Terminator 12 (a .730"-730 gr hard cast heat treated bullet. at 1250fps), and the Dixie IXL-DGS (a .730"- 870 gr slug at 1200fps). According to their site, The IXL-DGS was designed as requested by experienced shooters in Alaska. It is a true Dangerous Game slug/bullet that will stand up against the most severe tests! It is cast from our standard bullet alloy and heat-treated. Sounds very promising for use against these large and very tough animals if they are available to you in your area.
Brobee223 I did some testing of my own at a hundred yards with a single shot winchester model 37 in 16 gauge full choke with a front bead sight, and was very impressed.
Excellent video with good numbers and use of real gelatin. This deserves a lot more than 6,000 views. I would like to see the BB calibration results and muzzle velocity, but otherwise a great video. Thank you for posting.
That one appears to be the "classic" breneke slug which can also be bought as a component in Europe. Some of their other products have a snap in plastic tail section, and apparently harder alloys. Do you plan to test any of the other offerings, such as Brenneke KO series? I'd also like to see how the B&P "Heavy game slugs" loaded with Gualandi aerodynamic pointed breneke style slugs do. Those are reputed to be the most accurate of the more conventional slugs available. (Not to be confused with the weak low recoil offering with a slug shaped much like standard Breneke.)
They don't show on the current USA site as a complete product, but B&P at least used to sell a full power slug loaded with this: www.midwayusa.com/product/553339/gualandi-hunting-shotshell-slug-12-gauge-1-1-8-oz-bag-of-25 . I think they are a standard product which is not exported to USA, but may be to Canada.
This Rio Royal brand uses the classic Brenneke style slug but that is Not a true Brenneke "brand"load. The one Brobee should have been testing is the Brenneke "brand"Black Magic, which is a magnum load. I would like to see that gel test. The Brenneke "brand"Black Magic magnum is the shotgun 12 gauge slug is used by Fish and game Officers and Alaska State police for problem grizzly bears.
2:41 Those aren’t “Brenneke imitations”, those are from the exact same company, with the same origin. That is I assume when you’re referring to “Brenneke imitations”, you’re talking about the modern slug designs from Brenneke (Black Magic, Green Lightning, K.O., Red Magic Sabot, etc.).
The federal video was a new one on me thanks. To be fair I think the winchester foster slud did what it was designed to do dump all its energy in a deer sized thin skin game I am a brenneke fan and they are my goto slug when there are hogs around I would be interested in some of the sabot rounds at this close . I have seen M.L. sabots fail at this range. keep up the good work
I agree, it did it's intended job - for mid range medium sized game it's great. But for close in bear defense where impact velocities are higher and the game is tougher, it just doesn't quite do what you need. I think either the brenneke or the federal deep penetrator would be a great choice.
Honestly, when you're talking about bears or dangerous game you want one big fat wound channel. If you wanted multiple wound paths then buckshot would be a better choice, and anyone who's had to actually use shotguns on bears will tell you that a solid slug is a better choice if available. The brenneke and the federal deep penetrator or others like that are what you want as a first choice, trust me. I make my own slugs that I heat treat to be very hard and i'd trust them, but regular soft slugs or ones that break apart are not a first choice (if it's all i had i'd use 'em :) but - if you're looking for what works best listen to brobee, he's right).
I get what you mean about the buckshot but the slug would be more accurate at longer ranges. I've thought about reloading slugs with wheel weight lead so they are A LOT harder to get deeper penetration. I live in ohio so were not allowed to hunt deer with buckshot so wouldnt a segmenting slug be good because you don't need 3 feet of penetration to kill a deer. I don't know how far a segmenting slug will go before it breaks apart though.
well deer is a whole different thing of course. I'm pretty sure they'd kill a deer pretty quick, but honestly I think they'd be a little less effective than a regular foster slug. I think i'd worry about whatever slug was most accurate in your particular shotgun, THAT will likely give you more kills on deer than worrying about specific fancy ammo. A slug puts a pretty big hole in animals after all and deer arent' that tough :) With casting your own with wheel weights, you only really get significantly harder slugs if you water quench. I think the regular hardness score for wheel weight lead is about 6. If you water drop them when they're formed they go up to about 15 - 18. (drop them gently into room temp water as soon as their cast - be ULTRA careful not to get any water anywhere near your molten lead. ) If you want REALLY hard, then you cast them and then bake them in a toaster oven (buy a cheap dedicated one - NO FOOD in it after you use it for lead) at 400 degrees for an hour then CAREFULLY lower them into water. Watch for steam and stuff, use a perforated pan if possible and be careful because they're soft. That will raise them to a score of about 24 - radically harder than just cast lead. Probably harder than you need for deer. If you're casting your own and they're accurate in your gun I think you'll find water dropped wheel weight slugs will kill your deer about as dead as they get, and still be hard enough if a black bear shows up to do real permanent damage :)
with all this talk about penetration why not just get a steel slug. :) thanks for the tips on hardening lead. I make my own lead shot. It's extremely hard its hitting water when its about 500 degrees
Drop quenching works :) there's no doubt about that. For shotguns, it's about as hard as you want (especially buckshot). You get tighter patterns too due to less deformation. As to steel slugs, they'd be pretty rough on barrels i expect :) And it's not about hardness alone - you still need mass. That's why lead pellets and bismuth hit harder and fly farther than steel pellets for waterfowl.
The Winchester is made for 2 legged creatures though. I thought that You kind of want it not to penetrate . Especially through a wall. But I’m no expert. And I get more confused the more I learn it seems
I mean this in the most polite way, for I am not saying this with the intent of making fun of the way you speak, but is saying “thou” instead of “thousand” a regional dialect thing? I have never heard anyone say that before. Once again, I must stress that I am not saying this with mean or cruel intent, but am purely just curious.
Brenneke slugs ARE NOT, I repeat NOT, Foster slugs. Apples and oranges. Brenneke is the ultimate rifled slug. Like the Fender Telecaster and Mauser '98, they got it right the first time.
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Your slug tests are more thorough and insightful than anything else on youtube! Bring back your slug testing videos!
Thanks! Will see what time allows in the future. Right now life is a bit crazy, so it won't be for a while. Think I would prefer to do some more hunting adventures first. Cheers.
Brobee you should do voice overs for cartoons or children's stories. I mean that as a compliment. You have a very cool voice.
Agreed! It has wholesome grandpa vibes.
I have used this slug for deer for over 50 years and it has never failed me. At any range out to 100 yards it will group 3"- 4" depending on the shotgun and the sighting equipment. I use a 1x Bushnell scope. The German designer, Herr Brenneke, hunted all over the world with this slug design, including Africa where he took lion and buffalo with it.
Lots to like about the mighty Brenneke.
Youre so polite and soft spoken. I love it. You seem like a great guy!
Brobe, your voice is reminiscent of a familiar nature documentary narrator's voice that I remember hearing in my youth. Very relaxing...Thank you!
Appreciate you watching, hope you tune in for more as we make more hunting episodes.
dude, I am not gay but your voice is very soft and soothing.
I was thinking the same thing
Jon walker Is your masculinity so fragile that you have to say no homo all the time just to assure yourself youre not gay.
My oh my!!! you have caught me!!! Secretly I am actually a gay girl trapped in a mans body looking for my leopard lover! Seriously do you just go around looking to offend people by insinuating hidden feeling from youtube comments? Or is your ego so small you have to insult others to feel good?
Canadians are very pleasent.
Brenneke has a slug called Special Forces Short Magnum. It is a 2 3/4 inch 1 1/4 ounce slug that Brenneke claims can penetrate almost 35 inches of ballistic gelatin. I don't know if it would be a good bear stopper.
Well done! Been trying to learn more about shotguns and your channel has been super helpful - all your videos have been fantastic. Thanks for your hard and thorough work!
Wow, I’ve never trusted foster style slugs to penetrate well, that’s really impressive!
Another first-rate test and demo, Brobee! I'm definitely a fan...
I would like to see a test of the regular federal true ball foster slug
Will see if I can find some.
The title of the video is misleading. These are not Foster slugs, they are Brenneke style slugs. There is a difference. Great vid regardless I love your shotgun vids! :D
Thanks!
Great videos! Let’s see the challenger and score and slugger slugs, also some 100yrd grouping. Keep this series going! Thanks brobee
Thanks for your comment and encouragement! Unlikely there will be any more ammo tests - if time allows I've got ideas for a couple more hunting videos. Cheers.
Brenneke Slugs are excellent boar stoppers. Up to 60 yards they will drop every hog dead in it's tracks. A lot of old hunters load their drillings with two Brennekes and a rifle round for boar hunting here. It was- and still is- very effective.
I think the world of these slugs! Wish they were easier to find up here.
Now that you have all the tests done in this series, I think it makes more sense in regard to viewer comprehension and convenience to have all three tests in one video.
Excellent commentary pointing out the "ridges forming sharp petals" and their potential effect.
Nice touch cocking the shotgun on camera on all three episodes. It really added action to the series. Very reminiscent of playing a first person shooter video game. Good job building suspense by placing shotgun shells behind gelatins. At the second episode of the series, I thought to myself, the next episode with the Brenneke he's definitely going to hit those shells. Be careful, bro. Don't want to hit the primer on those shells.
Have you considered testing some of the other slugs that Brenneke offers? I'm pretty interested in how the Black Magic Magnum compares.
Would love to get my hands on some alternative Brenneke offerings...my problem is that I'm at the mercy of our importers, who only import very limited stuff which I understand they do only because of how hard the certification process is here in Canada. Seems fishy to me, but that's what I'm told...
This 12GA series is useful thank you for your videos
If you want to see what a deep penetrator can do, you should really try using the "Brenneke Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum". It is a 2 3/4" shell throwing a 1 3/8 oz. hardened slug that was designed and created to penetrate deeper through tougher materials. It might be interesting to see how much damage it would do to the geleten you test with.
I love brenneke slugs! The problem up here in canada is poor availability...I'm stuck with buying whatever brenneke slugs I can find.
I'll second the request for a video with the 2-3/4" Remington Slugger at 1560fps. I have found them to "compress" but maintain heading and integrity. I am very curious how it compares.
That would be an interesting test! Don't think I'm working with any more gelatin though, will be focusing what little film time I have on hunting adventures.
Make a video using Remington Sluggers.
Would be interesting to see some long range performance of those test now, I live in a shotgun only deer area where I usually hunt and have seen some people take some crazy long shots with foster slugs.
That would be an interesting test!
Would love to see this same test with the Brenneke Tactical Home Defense slug (possibly out of a 590 Shockwave).
Appreciate your comment, but unlikely I'll be doing any more ammo tests in the near future. If I get back to making more content, it will almost certainly be in a hunting or target practice context.
Love your videos man. I'd like to see some slug ballistic tests for hunting purposes at 50 yards and beyond if you get to it. Thanks for the info!
Don't think I'll have time this summer to do anymore slug gelatin testing, but I am hoping to do a deer hunting episode using shotgun slugs. Will make a special effort to shoot in a way that allows for recovery of the slug...;)
Another couple of recommendations for testing... Two offerings from Dixie Slugs, the Terminator 12 (a .730"-730 gr hard cast heat treated bullet. at 1250fps), and the Dixie IXL-DGS (a .730"- 870 gr slug at 1200fps). According to their site, The IXL-DGS was designed as requested by experienced shooters in Alaska. It is a true Dangerous Game slug/bullet that will stand up against the most severe tests! It is cast from our standard bullet alloy and heat-treated. Sounds very promising for use against these large and very tough animals if they are available to you in your area.
Very well done video! Would love to see some 100yd grouping videos with the classic brenneke vs other slugs!
Unless I can find something cool to use for next year, I'm thinking it might be brennekes next!
Brobee223 I did some testing of my own at a hundred yards with a single shot winchester model 37 in 16 gauge full choke with a front bead sight, and was very impressed.
When ya gonna try some Canadian slugs? Challenger and Score.
Ron Brown
I am waiting for the Challenger as well!
Appreciate your videos. I'd really like to see the Brenneke "Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum"
in similar test conditions.
Another great informative review
Please do the Challenger slugs.
Hope to some day! Will likely be a hunting adventure video though.
Excellent video with good numbers and use of real gelatin. This deserves a lot more than 6,000 views. I would like to see the BB calibration results and muzzle velocity, but otherwise a great video. Thank you for posting.
I'm pretty sure challenger (which is made in Canada) uses brenneke slugs.
I found your channel looking for a video exactly like this for the Hornady Superpreformance shotgun slugs. Any chance that could be coming up soon?
That one appears to be the "classic" breneke slug which can also be bought as a component in Europe. Some of their other products have a snap in plastic tail section, and apparently harder alloys.
Do you plan to test any of the other offerings, such as Brenneke KO series?
I'd also like to see how the B&P "Heavy game slugs" loaded with Gualandi aerodynamic pointed breneke style slugs do. Those are reputed to be the most accurate of the more conventional slugs available. (Not to be confused with the weak low recoil offering with a slug shaped much like standard Breneke.)
They don't show on the current USA site as a complete product, but B&P at least used to sell a full power slug loaded with this: www.midwayusa.com/product/553339/gualandi-hunting-shotshell-slug-12-gauge-1-1-8-oz-bag-of-25 . I think they are a standard product which is not exported to USA, but may be to Canada.
well done brobee223, much appreciated...exactly the information I needed for my needs. thanks!
Thanks!
This Rio Royal brand uses the classic Brenneke style slug but that is Not a true Brenneke "brand"load. The one Brobee should have been testing is the Brenneke "brand"Black Magic, which is a magnum load. I would like to see that gel test. The Brenneke "brand"Black Magic magnum is the shotgun 12 gauge slug is used by Fish and game Officers and Alaska State police for problem grizzly bears.
We have a bit of a supply issue up here with respect to brenneke. Would love to test more of their offerings.
Do you think the Brenneke KO slugs would perform the same? Thanks for another great review!
My experience is that the Brenneke KO slug is comparable. Thanks for your kind comment!
Have you done hollowpoints?
2:41 Those aren’t “Brenneke imitations”, those are from the exact same company, with the same origin. That is I assume when you’re referring to “Brenneke imitations”, you’re talking about the modern slug designs from Brenneke (Black Magic, Green Lightning, K.O., Red Magic Sabot, etc.).
Thanks!
have you thought about trying the brenneke black magic slug?
Availability of the Brenneke's is pretty sketchy....if I see them I'll pick up a couple boxes for future tests.
+Brobee223 my favourite slugs
The federal video was a new one on me thanks. To be fair I think the winchester foster slud did what it was designed to do dump all its energy in a deer sized thin skin game I am a brenneke fan and they are my goto slug when there are hogs around I would be interested in some of the sabot rounds at this close . I have seen M.L. sabots fail at this range.
keep up the good work
I agree, it did it's intended job - for mid range medium sized game it's great. But for close in bear defense where impact velocities are higher and the game is tougher, it just doesn't quite do what you need. I think either the brenneke or the federal deep penetrator would be a great choice.
Might have to switch to these for bear carry.
They'd be my choice for a bear-defence gun!
Are these still made by the company?
I think so?
or the new Winchester pdx 1 segmenting slug... it shoots at 1600 fps and breaks into 3 pieces. I wondering if this would be good for hunting?
Honestly, when you're talking about bears or dangerous game you want one big fat wound channel. If you wanted multiple wound paths then buckshot would be a better choice, and anyone who's had to actually use shotguns on bears will tell you that a solid slug is a better choice if available.
The brenneke and the federal deep penetrator or others like that are what you want as a first choice, trust me. I make my own slugs that I heat treat to be very hard and i'd trust them, but regular soft slugs or ones that break apart are not a first choice (if it's all i had i'd use 'em :) but - if you're looking for what works best listen to brobee, he's right).
I get what you mean about the buckshot but the slug would be more accurate at longer ranges. I've thought about reloading slugs with wheel weight lead so they are A LOT harder to get deeper penetration. I live in ohio so were not allowed to hunt deer with buckshot so wouldnt a segmenting slug be good because you don't need 3 feet of penetration to kill a deer. I don't know how far a segmenting slug will go before it breaks apart though.
well deer is a whole different thing of course. I'm pretty sure they'd kill a deer pretty quick, but honestly I think they'd be a little less effective than a regular foster slug. I think i'd worry about whatever slug was most accurate in your particular shotgun, THAT will likely give you more kills on deer than worrying about specific fancy ammo. A slug puts a pretty big hole in animals after all and deer arent' that tough :)
With casting your own with wheel weights, you only really get significantly harder slugs if you water quench. I think the regular hardness score for wheel weight lead is about 6. If you water drop them when they're formed they go up to about 15 - 18. (drop them gently into room temp water as soon as their cast - be ULTRA careful not to get any water anywhere near your molten lead. )
If you want REALLY hard, then you cast them and then bake them in a toaster oven (buy a cheap dedicated one - NO FOOD in it after you use it for lead) at 400 degrees for an hour then CAREFULLY lower them into water. Watch for steam and stuff, use a perforated pan if possible and be careful because they're soft. That will raise them to a score of about 24 - radically harder than just cast lead. Probably harder than you need for deer.
If you're casting your own and they're accurate in your gun I think you'll find water dropped wheel weight slugs will kill your deer about as dead as they get, and still be hard enough if a black bear shows up to do real permanent damage :)
with all this talk about penetration why not just get a steel slug. :) thanks for the tips on hardening lead. I make my own lead shot. It's extremely hard its hitting water when its about 500 degrees
Drop quenching works :) there's no doubt about that. For shotguns, it's about as hard as you want (especially buckshot). You get tighter patterns too due to less deformation.
As to steel slugs, they'd be pretty rough on barrels i expect :) And it's not about hardness alone - you still need mass. That's why lead pellets and bismuth hit harder and fly farther than steel pellets for waterfowl.
The Winchester is made for 2 legged creatures though. I thought that You kind of want it not to penetrate . Especially through a wall. But I’m no expert. And I get more confused the more I learn it seems
Don't know anything about 2 legged creatures - have hunted alot of deer though.
I mean this in the most polite way, for I am not saying this with the intent of making fun of the way you speak, but is saying “thou” instead of “thousand” a regional dialect thing? I have never heard anyone say that before. Once again, I must stress that I am not saying this with mean or cruel intent, but am purely just curious.
I think you had a good feeling you where correct with your regional dialect idea. Yes it is. People say thou. (Not being rude 😉)
No worries - I think it is an abbreviation used a lot by machinists to describe one thousandths' of an inch.
It's what we say in machine shops instead of the whole word "thousandths".
Brenneke slugs ARE NOT, I repeat NOT, Foster slugs. Apples and oranges. Brenneke is the ultimate rifled slug. Like the Fender Telecaster and Mauser '98, they got it right the first time.
POTato/poTATo, but sounds like we agree the brenneke is the best.
The Mauser ‘98 is actually the result of several improvements taking more than a decade until the final design. Look at the older Mausers
I can send you some pardox slugs, bear and boar slugs. Ultimate penetrators
BTW - just a point of interest, the actual pronunciation in german is closer to bren-eh-ka rather than bren-eh-kee
Well this is Canada and not Germany. Do you expect Germans to pronounce every English word perfectly, too?
Bob road.😛
Yes, lots of people compare my narration style to that of the late Bob Ross. Personally, I liked his painting show a lot, so thanks!
Brobee223 you're very welcome