Basically they are great home defensive slugs and one of the most cost efficient slugs to stock up on for shtf and for taking deer but not great for larger game like bears, elk, etc. Still great value for the cost. I’ll definitely be stocking up on these bad boys. Great video.
I use the 3" magnum version of these slugs (1760 f.p.s.!) and the ones that I recovered were so flattened they looked like coins. The hydrostatic shock must have been incredible as all the Northern Ontario deer I've shot (with those slugs) so far were dead before they hit the ground (both lungs were nothing but mush) but there was never an exit wound, I usually found the flattened slug lying against the skin on the opposite side...BUT they did do their job! I'm not saying that Winchesters are better than other brands...just giving people information as to my personal observations and experiences.
There is very little difference in 2 3/4 inch slugs or 3 inch magnums in terms of penetration.. I've only had one slug not go clean through both sides of a deer, with these winchester 1 ounce 2 3/4 inch slugs. The only time I didn't get a complete pass through was on a 254 LBS nine pointer. The slug hit a little far back and deflected high and severed the spine. No tracking on that deer either! 3inch mags are simply not worth the extra kick. I suppose if they shoot better it would be worth using the 3inch! Good Hunting!
The difference between a 2 3/4 inch and 3 inch mag foster slog is 1/4 inch more wad. More recoil because of the additional ejecta. For deer (if I'm going smoothbore) I much prefer foster slugs to Brenneke slugs, as they deflect less in brush and release their energy faster which is good on deer. I prefer the remington sluggers over the Winchester super-x's, but the winchester rounds are the next best option. Use improved cylinder for foster slugs, cylinder bore for Brenneke
`Every guns different though. I used and killed many deer with remington sluggers. Found out on accident the winchester super x shot tighter out of my scoped browning A5. I can clover leaf 3 slugs at 50 yards. I use a burris 2x7 scope. I never felt the need to shoot rifled barrels. For most situations in thick east coast states, your shots are under 100 yards. So foster slugs usually do the trick.
@@sawmaster6095 brenneke is only for very big animals but gualandi is better!! Hard to soft, remington federal and winchester. winchester is the only way for me, in Sardinia normally shots is 1m to 10m for maximum weight hog 100kg.
Mason Outdoors tested these same slugs at 50 yards and they went much much deeper with almost no expansion. At that range they were probably around just 1200 fps and below their expansion threshold.
If you would, test the 1oz Remington Slugger, 2.75" 1560fps loading. I have found that it "compresses" and expands radially, similar to a very soft Brenneke. I would expect 18-24" penetration and .90"+ expansion, but am curious what it really does. The Winchester "HP" slugs tend to do as you show.
Nice test for small game this would work well look forward to other test! .... Have you considered testing different defensive rounds like the Winchester PDX1 slug and 3 00 and slug only ammo for example.
small game? Not trying to sound rude but do you want nothing left of that animal? If that hit a rabbit (the dnr says they are small game) you would have a pile of giblets left.
very interesting, i would have lost that bet. Id like to see a 30-06 vs a .308 penetration test with the same grain bullet in one of your videos if ever possible.
I have viewed your videos for deeper penetrating slugs for hunting larger game. It does appear however, that this foster slug, with its 14.5 inches of penetration, would be right on track for self or home defense. Many have said that one should not use slugs for home defense. But this penetration is spot on for self defense (12 - 18 inches). Thank you for your videos. They are great.
Appreciate your kind comment, thank you! My preference for penetration is that it also be along a predictable trajectory - because of that I don't like these slugs much.
Super X will avg 8 to 9 inches out of some 18 inch shotguns. However, ive routinely shot thru 2 16inch blocks with Bernenke and other hardened slugs having higher antimony. Besides I load my own. I turn them, then using my own powder recipe I get significantly higher penetration. Ive shot thru 8 inches oak blocks at 25 yards. The slugs also went easily thru 2 10 percent 16 inch blocks. Now mind you these had 4 inches of heavy industrial grade high density poly foam equivalent to 2 inches of hide, and a 4 inch block of frozen meat. Plowed thru all that at a little over 20 yards then thru a 4 inch block. These weren't lead slugs. They were brass i turned on the lathe. I've also experimented with zinc and with aluminum all were in sabots. Try using 7075 alluminum in a sabot but lengthen them. Remember to adjust for meplat etc.
Great Video! But, I would like you to consider that this round is carrying 2486 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. Since it's penetration is not ideal, mostly because of it's shape and size, you would be dumping all of that energy into the animal. I once heard a physicist describe it this way. A 20lb. sledge hammer traveling at 50 feet per second (full swing), would be carrying a kinetic energy of about 322 ft/lbs in it's 3 inch diameter hammer face. That's nearly 1/8 the energy of that slug. So a strike to the center of one's chest will undoubtedly cause some serious damage. Magnify that impact by 8 and you can see that the injury by blunt force impact is immense. Although there is no penetration, the impact shock wave can cause severe internal organ disruption. The best mix, obviously, is some penetration, but not complete penetration, so that the energy transfer is maximized. I personally consider the 12ga. slug to be a great defensive load for anything on the North American Continent. Looking forward to more slug tests.
How I think about this is that the 2500ft/lbs of energy did not knock me flat on my rear end when I fired it (principle at work: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction), so it's more interesting how the energy gets expended. If all the energy of the round is put into work within the target's front-shoulder, or the projectile deflects along an unpredictable path and misses the vital cardiovascular organs required for effective rapid blood-loss, then I can't count on the slug to quickly put the target down. If on the other hand, the slug cuts a 74 caliber hole along a reasonably straight terminal trajectory, then provided I do my part to aim/shoot properly there's a much better probability of the outcome I'm looking for.
Excellent! I've had great luck with those, and the Rem foster slugs too. Just std 2 3/4" foster slugs. I've never seen a difference with 3" slugs in the field.
"This is Casey Kasem. Now on with the countdown!". Great VO, man. I'm going to have to subscribe on that alone. Going to go back through your vids to see if you happened to review Winchester's Razorback XT segmented slug. Apparently discontinued, but I found a box in my spring cleaning and am curious how it performs in tough game.
i bought these because it was 3.60 a box and i never shot any slugs through my gun (granted its a 20 gauge) i wanted to see how hard it was going to hit the center fire targets at my range at 100 yards. if i go hunting ill see about upgrading. thanks for the very informative video!
Volkswagenginetta ??You don't have to upgrade I've killed piles of deer with these same slugs , because my browning A5 loves them!!! They have Better accracey than any other foster style slug hands down. But all guns are differant??. Just don't count these out!!!
volkswagenginetta For Bear, Wichester super x slugs will do the job just fine!!! Test your gun and see what it likes?? My Browning just happends to clover leaf these touching holes out too 50 yards!!!Much better then the remington sluggers. So At 100yards there is a 5.9 inch drop only, aim a bit high and they have more then enough pop to drop anything in North America, no Problem!!!
Appreciate your kind comment, thank you! I'm working on a new video right now; hope to have it uploaded within a week or two and hope you enjoy it too!
Great Videos,I would be interested in seeing a test of Federal Deep Penetrator, PB127DPRS..while not high velocity,they advertise "for animals with tough hide and bone like bears and hogs..18-20" of penetration." If you would be interested, I could send you as many as you need..Thanks Tim
My slug hunting load is a 1oz hardcast Lee key drive at 1700 fps I get about 25 inches of penetrations through phone books and very little deformation I can get about 6 inch groups at 100 yrds
Great video kind Sir! My smooth bore Beretta 18.5" barrel likes these slugs for up to 100yard accuracy. My question for you is what you use for removing the lead fouling in the barrel after firing a box or 2 of the Foster style rifled slugs? I get approx 6 inch of leading in the barrel just after the forcing cone and some more on the cylinder choke tube. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Your videos rock. I was wondering if you have patterned 4BK or 00BK for home defense uses out of your various shotguns. I have seen your long distance 00BK I really enjoyed them. Keep up the good work.
I noticed that this load was much more accurate than the Federal DP slug load, at least on your informal "plate on bear" test. I found the same to be true in my testing of said ammunitions. What is your opinion on this front?
Shot a wild boar sow last weekend that weighed about 120lbs at a range of 15 yards. The slug fragmented badly!! It leveled the hog, but it's not something I would ever consider or recommend for bear. I hit the sow dead middle of the shoulder and both front shoulders had to be tossed. The off side should was absolutely unusable for all the fragments of lead in it and some had passed through. Great slug for deer and medium size hogs but I'd used something for dangerous game. No doubt about that.
Im headed to churchill to work around polar bears.... does this have the best terminal action that you have found or is there better in the 2 3/4... I have a winchester spx 12G 18 in defender
We can argue Expansion, Penetration, Velocity all day long and it won't change real world applications of how things work. I have shot one deer with this exact slug, a nice big buck. I was very close which is NOT always a good thing when it comes to bullet performance as a lot will fail, ( Seemingly), while velocity's are still very high. I can tell you as a fact that it took two ribs out when it entered and three out where it went right on out the other side and left most of what was once in that deer hanging in the underbrush on the other side of it. About all that remained inside of (That) deer was about two double handfuls of GOO! It worked! If I were to use a slug on another deer this may not be my choice, but it is an old and very dependable design as far as slugs go. I'd say you killed that gel block pretty dead myself. LOL! Oh, and that deer I shot with one, DRT, never took another step.
Me personally I'd pick the Brenneke or the Federal Deep Penetrator slugs for dangerous game and use the Winchester slugs for plinking. Call me crazy but I love using slugs for fun.
14 inches of penetration would make mush out of any black bears insides!!!The Remington slugger 3 inch mags where tested at only .5 inches more than these slugs in gel.Sabots penetrate better but they don't do nearly the damage these winchester super x's will do. Deer shot by sabot's MOST of the time, require more tracking than these rounds do. The sabots make no more than a 50cal hole.I've Been in the woods and tracked deer, with sabots and rifled slugs!! Foster slugs do far more damage.This gel is a good test but, doesn't really show the real life damage and blood it causes!!!Good vid tho thanks!!
You are worried about cartridges in the boxes going off and hurting someone? If so, my experience is that it's not possible for a detonating unchambered round to build enough pressure to effect dangerous velocity of the projectile.
Not good for the furry 2-legged threat...but for people, looks like a great defensive choice. That's about ideal performance for a defensive load. The only thing better are the segmented slugs that break in to 3 parts while penetrating 12-16".
A rifled slug has all those grooves around it's circumference. Some people believe they impart spin to the slug, but the slow motion footage I've seen suggest that they don't really spin. I suspect the grooves make it easier to stay entered in the bore, reduce lead fouling, and to also be able to safely swage down through whatever choke the gun may have.
Can't speak to home defence but with respect to hunting deer, elk, moose, and bear, I'm more into predictable penetration rather than energy transfer. Thanks for your comment!
interesting. I use these deer hunting with success and usually through and through results, but never shot anything else with them. Good video wouldn't mind seeing a few more shot into gel if you have time and materials. Just subscribed also
Great test. If you want tougher stuff, look at the specialized slugs used in Europe to hunt wild boar. I am sure you would be pleasantly surprised with a Buckhammer, Brenneke or Sauvestre.
Try a ballistic products dgs slug make even avideo with it you ll be surprised here in Europe Greece to be specific we are very happy with them,first choice for wild hogs a friend of mine dropped a 140 kilos boar once on its track
I'm not a firearms expert but this seems to be quite the expose'. If you would have asked the viewer if they thought the slug would have penetrated into the second gelatin at that close range, I would have thought so. The shotgun slug is softer than I thought!
"...people today, have reduced the art of hunting, or rather, the sport of it really, to hunting at the San Diego Wild Animal Park, with an M18 Claymore mine!"
THE NASTIEST slugs I've used are the Lightfield 3.5 inch Commander IDS. These are 1 ounce sabots. They're advertised at 1900 fps and are sort of a dumbbell shaped slug made of a lead alloy which is considered controlled expansion. They will break your shoulder and your budget, but I believe they kill anything, and hit the target like a 10 pound sledgehammer swung by Robocop. 3728 ft/lbs. One will notice the solid face of the slug and the bright color of the alloy. With a 50 percent leap in velocity I can't imagine that it would not penetrate at least 21 inches of gel and deform less. I've shot them through 6 truck tire treads and 4 x 4 pressure treated posts. So far I've killed 2 bucks with them and they leave a huge exit wound that I can put my fist into. Even the entry wound is an inch wide. I shot them with my Remington 870 super mag with a 28 inch smooth barrel and a Remington rifled choke. $18 for a box of 5 in Jersey. Enjoy!
The shotgun is very nice but the super x are useless!! Try "Black Magic Brenekke" for deeper penetration-more power-more damage! By the way.... great video!
Brenekkes are not more powerfull than these!!! There great slugs, but every slug I found in a deer are not expanded at all!!! Because they use a harder cast lead. Better for bear and big game. But, as I hunt only deer and these winchesters have soft lead that destroy game. I use nothing else, and wouldn't think twice to go for bigger game. As my gun can clover leaf 3 rounds at 75 yards no problem. With a little help, from my burris 2x7 scope!!! For a 12ga 2- 3/4 inch round, there right there at 1600FPS which is more than the new adverticed remington sluggers, and other 1 once slugs with the same specs!!And sabots fall even less powerful,with smaller bullets and less FPS!!!
When i was 13 years old, my father gave me his shotgun and left me in the woods for 2 hours. I spot a big male deer at 120 meters, i got closer almost at 90 and i put the gun in a rock. I put in the chamber a rottweil magnum brenekke and i shot! I aimed it to the head without a scope but just a silver dot in the end of the barrel. The slug hit the deer just a little bit lower of the ear and went through the neck. The deer had 120 kilos of clean meat and felt down like a piece of paper when i shot it! So my friend my favourite slugs r the brenekkes and i will never change them, now i use black magic brenekke and i hunt wild pigs, and bilieve me these Winchester cant compare this kind of slugs!
not to be a bootyhole, but i sure would like to hear about this bear encounter when the point blank 12 ga slug shot at the bear didnt perform as intended. id really like to hear that encounter. it sounds like a doozy. thanks for all the info
"...Rifle hunting isn't any challenge! Using a scope isn't a challenge either! Bow hunting isn't a challenge...unless it is with a "plain Jane" re curve; (no compounds)and you do it on the ground: NOT from a stand!" Animals just aren't a challenge!" Frankly; they never were! Even when I was a very young kid - DM
Your opinions were not needed or appreciated, I have a recurve, compound, shotguns, rifles. I use them all where i deem necessary, don't shame other hunters for your own nostalgic hunting! You know spears gave been around longer than bows, maybe that's the only "acceptable" "ethical" form of hunting. Your comments are as-not-appreciated as your choice to use a recurve, I contemplated buying a recurve as my first bow. Then I saved up and bought a bow that works better...... crazy what human innovation can do. Save you keyboard the trouble and next time don't comment..
Well i suggest ur wrong 14 inches is plenty if you can't drop a beer with 14 inches of penetration thats one inch and a quarter diameter maybe u should quit hunting because u hit it in the guts!
For the third time Where do you find this so called F.B.I "requirement" at moron? Law enforcement use Hollow point rounds on people because of the ballistic damage spread, so unless your referring to a Hostage rescue sniper. Which is trying to penetrate a brick wall or something... . Then law enforcement gives two fucks about having such high powered rounds in there arsenal. They are not needed.
There is a lot more to lethality than just penetration. Just look at the Lb. Ft. of energy a 1 oz. slug at 1600 fps produces. but if you would like more penetration try a slug with a less pronounced hollow point such as a Remington foster slug, or even a copper coated slug or better yet all copper or steel slug the list is endless. Why don't you fire that same slug at let's say a steer shoulder with the meat on it to give a better comparison to an actual animal as opposed those blocks everybody uses yet does not show how most real life shots are taken. Afterall how many times have you shot an animal without hitting any bone.
@@Brobee223 I know that things arent absolute. A slug could hit legs or the shoulders and not kill the bear. I just know that if fired properly with a good aim, youll hit the bear and as I said prior, youll kill the attacking animal. Its just how fast.
Am just saying that my experience with these specific slugs carefully shot with careful aim into the thorax of large and dangerous animals is different. Appreciate that your knowledge and confidence makes you so sure. Cheers.
My issue is not with it's impressive velocity (1600fps), mass (1oz or 437gr), or initial diameter (0.74"), it's with the softness of the material which, at close range, is IMHO poorly matched to it's velocity and mass. The consequence is that the slug pancakes quickly into a thin donut, and my experience has been that this donut deflects very easily around the rib bones of big, heavy animals. Thus even with "perfect shot placement", you can't predict the trajectory of the slug through the animal and it might "roll around the ribs", missing the cardiovascular vital structures completely. I've had much better experience with slugs traveling somewhat slower (1200 or 1300fps) or made from alloyed material which is much harder than soft swaged lead.
I really dig your voice-over style! I like how all your audio is recorded separately instead with the wind coursing around the mic. Good vid series!
Thanks!
Basically they are great home defensive slugs and one of the most cost efficient slugs to stock up on for shtf and for taking deer but not great for larger game like bears, elk, etc. Still great value for the cost. I’ll definitely be stocking up on these bad boys. Great video.
Appreciate your kind comment, thank you!
I use the 3" magnum version of these slugs (1760 f.p.s.!) and the ones that I recovered were so flattened they looked like coins. The hydrostatic shock must have been incredible as all the Northern Ontario deer I've shot (with those slugs) so far were dead before they hit the ground (both lungs were nothing but mush) but there was never an exit wound, I usually found the flattened slug lying against the skin on the opposite side...BUT they did do their job!
I'm not saying that Winchesters are better than other brands...just giving people information as to my personal observations and experiences.
There is very little difference in 2 3/4 inch slugs or 3 inch magnums in terms of penetration.. I've only had one slug not go clean through both sides of a deer, with these winchester 1 ounce 2 3/4 inch slugs. The only time I didn't get a complete pass through was on a 254 LBS nine pointer. The slug hit a little far back and deflected high and severed the spine. No tracking on that deer either! 3inch mags are simply not worth the extra kick. I suppose if they shoot better it would be worth using the 3inch! Good Hunting!
The difference between a 2 3/4 inch and 3 inch mag foster slog is 1/4 inch more wad. More recoil because of the additional ejecta. For deer (if I'm going smoothbore) I much prefer foster slugs to Brenneke slugs, as they deflect less in brush and release their energy faster which is good on deer. I prefer the remington sluggers over the Winchester super-x's, but the winchester rounds are the next best option. Use improved cylinder for foster slugs, cylinder bore for Brenneke
`Every guns different though. I used and killed many deer with remington sluggers. Found out on accident the winchester super x shot tighter out of my scoped browning A5. I can clover leaf 3 slugs at 50 yards. I use a burris 2x7 scope. I never felt the need to shoot rifled barrels. For most situations in thick east coast states, your shots are under 100 yards. So foster slugs usually do the trick.
Sounds like they have worked well for you in deer! Thanks for sharing your experience, cheers.
@@sawmaster6095 brenneke is only for very big animals but gualandi is better!! Hard to soft, remington federal and winchester. winchester is the only way for me, in Sardinia normally shots is 1m to 10m for maximum weight hog 100kg.
Thanks for the info. 8 years later from this video, I have my own 12 gauge and a few of these super x slugs.
Sweet, hope you found it useful!
Mason Outdoors tested these same slugs at 50 yards and they went much much deeper with almost no expansion. At that range they were probably around just 1200 fps and below their expansion threshold.
Cool, good to know.
good for self-defense
If you would, test the 1oz Remington Slugger, 2.75" 1560fps loading. I have found that it "compresses" and expands radially, similar to a very soft Brenneke. I would expect 18-24" penetration and .90"+ expansion, but am curious what it really does. The Winchester "HP" slugs tend to do as you show.
Nice test for small game this would work well look forward to other test! .... Have you considered testing different defensive rounds like the Winchester PDX1 slug and 3 00 and slug only ammo for example.
small game? Not trying to sound rude but do you want nothing left of that animal? If that hit a rabbit (the dnr says they are small game) you would have a pile of giblets left.
very interesting, i would have lost that bet.
Id like to see a 30-06 vs a .308 penetration test with the same grain bullet in one of your videos if ever possible.
Hey, friend.
I find I use your videos frequently to answer questions. Just a couple days ago, a guy was asking me about the performance of these.
I have viewed your videos for deeper penetrating slugs for hunting larger game. It does appear however, that this foster slug, with its 14.5 inches of penetration, would be right on track for self or home defense. Many have said that one should not use slugs for home defense. But this penetration is spot on for self defense (12 - 18 inches). Thank you for your videos. They are great.
Appreciate your kind comment, thank you! My preference for penetration is that it also be along a predictable trajectory - because of that I don't like these slugs much.
I feel like this guy is either Canadian or from the UP of Michigan lol
The voice just fits the video perfectly and I love it
Folks either love or hate my narration style...yes, live and play up here in Canada!
I had very similar performance on a white tailed deer. the deer dropped straight away and the recovered slug looked just like yours.
Never thought I would see a recovered slug that looked like a donut!
Super X will avg 8 to 9 inches out of some 18 inch shotguns. However, ive routinely shot thru 2 16inch blocks with Bernenke and other hardened slugs having higher antimony. Besides I load my own. I turn them, then using my own powder recipe I get significantly higher penetration. Ive shot thru 8 inches oak blocks at 25 yards. The slugs also went easily thru 2 10 percent 16 inch blocks. Now mind you these had 4 inches of heavy industrial grade high density poly foam equivalent to 2 inches of hide, and a 4 inch block of frozen meat. Plowed thru all that at a little over 20 yards then thru a 4 inch block. These weren't lead slugs. They were brass i turned on the lathe. I've also experimented with zinc and with aluminum all were in sabots. Try using 7075 alluminum in a sabot but lengthen them. Remember to adjust for meplat etc.
Great Video! But, I would like you to consider that this round is carrying 2486 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. Since it's penetration is not ideal, mostly because of it's shape and size, you would be dumping all of that energy into the animal. I once heard a physicist describe it this way. A 20lb. sledge hammer traveling at 50 feet per second (full swing), would be carrying a kinetic energy of about 322 ft/lbs in it's 3 inch diameter hammer face. That's nearly 1/8 the energy of that slug. So a strike to the center of one's chest will undoubtedly cause some serious damage. Magnify that impact by 8 and you can see that the injury by blunt force impact is immense. Although there is no penetration, the impact shock wave can cause severe internal organ disruption. The best mix, obviously, is some penetration, but not complete penetration, so that the energy transfer is maximized. I personally consider the 12ga. slug to be a great defensive load for anything on the North American Continent. Looking forward to more slug tests.
How I think about this is that the 2500ft/lbs of energy did not knock me flat on my rear end when I fired it (principle at work: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction), so it's more interesting how the energy gets expended. If all the energy of the round is put into work within the target's front-shoulder, or the projectile deflects along an unpredictable path and misses the vital cardiovascular organs required for effective rapid blood-loss, then I can't count on the slug to quickly put the target down. If on the other hand, the slug cuts a 74 caliber hole along a reasonably straight terminal trajectory, then provided I do my part to aim/shoot properly there's a much better probability of the outcome I'm looking for.
foot pounds of energy do not kill, penetration is what kills. You must have a balance of both
Excellent! I've had great luck with those, and the Rem foster slugs too. Just std 2 3/4" foster slugs. I've never seen a difference with 3" slugs in the field.
Me too....2&3/4 for me all the way.
"This is Casey Kasem. Now on with the countdown!". Great VO, man. I'm going to have to subscribe on that alone. Going to go back through your vids to see if you happened to review Winchester's Razorback XT segmented slug. Apparently discontinued, but I found a box in my spring cleaning and am curious how it performs in tough game.
Have not tried Winchester's Razorback - I'll keep my eyes open for it.
Try the Brenneke black magic magnum, it's their bear round and it totally rocks!!
I love the brenneke slugs - wish more were available here in Canada!
I'm curious on what the weight was in the end vs the original weight.
i bought these because it was 3.60 a box and i never shot any slugs through my gun (granted its a 20 gauge) i wanted to see how hard it was going to hit the center fire targets at my range at 100 yards. if i go hunting ill see about upgrading. thanks for the very informative video!
Volkswagenginetta ??You don't have to upgrade I've killed piles of deer with these same slugs , because my browning A5 loves them!!! They have Better accracey than any other foster style slug hands down. But all guns are differant??. Just don't count these out!!!
JAYMAG Brownstone
i should have mentioned i planned on hunting bear too. For dear sure ill take these out, but im not going to cheap out on a bear.
volkswagenginetta For Bear, Wichester super x slugs will do the job just fine!!! Test your gun and see what it likes?? My Browning just happends to clover leaf these touching holes out too 50 yards!!!Much better then the remington sluggers. So At 100yards there is a 5.9 inch drop only, aim a bit high and they have more then enough pop to drop anything in North America, no Problem!!!
JAYMAG Brownstone
alright ill take that into considerations, thanks for the input :)
Great video. Looking forward to the followup video.
great video. just saved me some money. No wonder slugs were on sale! Thank you
Glad you found it helpful, thanks for watching!
I love all your videos, thx for making this
Appreciate your kind comment, thank you! I'm working on a new video right now; hope to have it uploaded within a week or two and hope you enjoy it too!
The federal tru-ball deep penetrator slugs seem to be a better choice for defense against dangerous game.
Great Videos,I would be interested in seeing a test of Federal Deep Penetrator, PB127DPRS..while not high velocity,they advertise "for animals with tough hide and bone like bears and hogs..18-20" of penetration." If you would be interested, I could send you as many as you need..Thanks Tim
My slug hunting load is a 1oz hardcast Lee key drive at 1700 fps I get about 25 inches of penetrations through phone books and very little deformation I can get about 6 inch groups at 100 yrds
Hope to try that slug sometime in the near future....would be a great project!
An actual chronograph velocity would be interesting. How do we know the slugs are exiting the barrel at the advertised speed?
Have done a lot of chrono work with all manner of slugs and barrel lengths. My notes indicate velocity was pretty much as-advertised.
I'd like to see how brenneke's slug and Winchester's rackmaster.
I use challenger slugs for deer&bear.
They seem too work pretty good.
I've never been able to recover a fired slug though.
Always pass through.
I like challenger slugs - hope to do a hunting adventure with them sometime in the next few coming seasons. Cheers!
Great video kind Sir!
My smooth bore Beretta 18.5" barrel likes these slugs for up to 100yard accuracy.
My question for you is what you use for removing the lead fouling in the barrel after firing a box or 2 of the Foster style rifled slugs?
I get approx 6 inch of leading in the barrel just after the forcing cone and some more on the cylinder choke tube.
Any and all advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
I just chuck up a chamber brush and rod on my electric drill and go to town. Cheers.
Your videos rock. I was wondering if you have patterned 4BK or 00BK for home defense uses out of your various shotguns.
I have seen your long distance 00BK I really enjoyed them. Keep up the good work.
That first shot was devastating
I noticed that this load was much more accurate than the Federal DP slug load, at least on your informal "plate on bear" test. I found the same to be true in my testing of said ammunitions. What is your opinion on this front?
After seeing it's penetration characteristics, I pretty much abandoned it.
Why does he shoot at his ammo behind the ballistic gell like not at it buy u know what i mean.
Not really?
Nice review
Can you please do more of these
Had fun doing these, but unlikely given the cost, effort, and ultra-low return. Appreciate your encouraging comment!
Shot a wild boar sow last weekend that weighed about 120lbs at a range of 15 yards. The slug fragmented badly!! It leveled the hog, but it's not something I would ever consider or recommend for bear. I hit the sow dead middle of the shoulder and both front shoulders had to be tossed. The off side should was absolutely unusable for all the fragments of lead in it and some had passed through. Great slug for deer and medium size hogs but I'd used something for dangerous game. No doubt about that.
I don't like it either.
is it dangerous in any way to shoot this rifled slug through a rifled barrel ?
Is this an ammo test or a Werther's Originals ad? I'm still unsure..
Awww shucks! That so sweet of you.
lmao or pepperidge farm!!!! good info tho
Im headed to churchill to work around polar bears.... does this have the best terminal action that you have found or is there better in the 2 3/4... I have a winchester spx 12G 18 in defender
I would certainly look for something harder - like a brenneke. Cheers, and stay safe! Polar bears....eeeeeee
We can argue Expansion, Penetration, Velocity all day long and it won't change real world applications of how things work. I have shot one deer with this exact slug, a nice big buck. I was very close which is NOT always a good thing when it comes to bullet performance as a lot will fail, ( Seemingly), while velocity's are still very high. I can tell you as a fact that it took two ribs out when it entered and three out where it went right on out the other side and left most of what was once in that deer hanging in the underbrush on the other side of it. About all that remained inside of (That) deer was about two double handfuls of GOO! It worked! If I were to use a slug on another deer this may not be my choice, but it is an old and very dependable design as far as slugs go. I'd say you killed that gel block pretty dead myself. LOL! Oh, and that deer I shot with one, DRT, never took another step.
Me personally I'd pick the Brenneke or the Federal Deep Penetrator slugs for dangerous game and use the Winchester slugs for plinking. Call me crazy but I love using slugs for fun.
I like the odd slug plinking session too! Cheers.
I don't know about shotgun ballistics, so would it be OK for home defense????
Don't know anything about home defence, know I would not choose them for hunting deer.
Did you ever try their new "Deer Season" 1 1/8 oz 12ga 2 3/4 Slug?
No, will keep my eyes out for it!
14 inches of penetration would make mush out of any black bears insides!!!The Remington slugger 3 inch mags where tested at only .5 inches more than these slugs in gel.Sabots penetrate better but they don't do nearly the damage these winchester super x's will do. Deer shot by sabot's MOST of the time, require more tracking than these rounds do. The sabots make no more than a 50cal hole.I've Been in the woods and tracked deer, with sabots and rifled slugs!! Foster slugs do far more damage.This gel is a good test but, doesn't really show the real life damage and blood it causes!!!Good vid tho thanks!!
can i ask why you fired your shotgun at two boxes of ammo? even thru two gel blocks???
You are worried about cartridges in the boxes going off and hurting someone? If so, my experience is that it's not possible for a detonating unchambered round to build enough pressure to effect dangerous velocity of the projectile.
ive shot 12 gauge shells with a 22 and theyve gone off. dumb idea i know lol but me and a couple of freinds did it one day out of boredom
I fire all my slugs with no choke and cast my own...has some antimony and tin in them so they are harder and no hollow point
do u realized u shot at your target with that box of rounds behind the target?
Not good for the furry 2-legged threat...but for people, looks like a great defensive choice. That's about ideal performance for a defensive load. The only thing better are the segmented slugs that break in to 3 parts while penetrating 12-16".
please answer Me !!
is that 28 gr or what ???
Can we please see more tests? Try remington 2 3/4 inch sluggers to compare, and federal foster slugs!
Likely no more tests...if I come back it will be with more hunting adventures! Cheers, and thanks for your comment.
What is the difference between rifled slug and just regular slug.
A rifled slug has all those grooves around it's circumference. Some people believe they impart spin to the slug, but the slow motion footage I've seen suggest that they don't really spin. I suspect the grooves make it easier to stay entered in the bore, reduce lead fouling, and to also be able to safely swage down through whatever choke the gun may have.
Brobee223 dose federal make better slugs then Winchester.
That brutal energy transfer should definitely stop a home invader.
Can't speak to home defence but with respect to hunting deer, elk, moose, and bear, I'm more into predictable penetration rather than energy transfer. Thanks for your comment!
Have you tested remington sluggers ?
My favourite Remington load is their reduced recoil 1 oz 12 gauge slugs.
interesting. I use these deer hunting with success and usually through and through results, but never shot anything else with them. Good video wouldn't mind seeing a few more shot into gel if you have time and materials. Just subscribed also
Great test. If you want tougher stuff, look at the specialized slugs used in Europe to hunt wild boar. I am sure you would be pleasantly surprised with a Buckhammer, Brenneke or Sauvestre.
:)....I'm working on editing together my Brenneke review right now. It should be done and uploaded within the next couple weeks.
How reliable has the Versa Max been?
I don't have it anymore, but for the two years I shot it, seemed like it was a pretty good gun. I wound up selling it as it is very heavy.
Try a ballistic products dgs slug make even avideo with it you ll be surprised here in Europe Greece to be specific we are very happy with them,first choice for wild hogs a friend of mine dropped a 140 kilos boar once on its track
Sounds interesting, will keep my eyes peeled.
I'm not a firearms expert but this seems to be quite the expose'. If you would have asked the viewer if they thought the slug would have penetrated into the second gelatin at that close range, I would have thought so.
The shotgun slug is softer than I thought!
Question, where are you from?
Alberta, up in Canada
What type of shotgun are you using in this video?
Remington Versamax Tactical with a 22 inch barrel and a ProBore Improved Cylinder Choke.
what choke size did you use in test?
He said improved cylinder
IC
"...people today, have reduced the art of hunting, or rather, the sport of it really, to hunting at the San Diego Wild Animal Park, with an M18 Claymore mine!"
You shot a cow? Was it a bull charging you?
Shot a calf we purchased for meat, as well as a big old bull the rancher wanted gone.
Smooth bore right
You becha!
THE NASTIEST slugs I've used are the Lightfield 3.5 inch Commander IDS. These are 1 ounce sabots. They're advertised at 1900 fps and are sort of a dumbbell shaped slug made of a lead alloy which is considered controlled expansion. They will break your shoulder and your budget, but I believe they kill anything, and hit the target like a 10 pound sledgehammer swung by Robocop. 3728 ft/lbs. One will notice the solid face of the slug and the bright color of the alloy. With a 50 percent leap in velocity I can't imagine that it would not penetrate at least 21 inches of gel and deform less. I've shot them through 6 truck tire treads and 4 x 4 pressure treated posts. So far I've killed 2 bucks with them and they leave a huge exit wound that I can put my fist into. Even the entry wound is an inch wide. I shot them with my Remington 870 super mag with a 28 inch smooth barrel and a Remington rifled choke. $18 for a box of 5 in Jersey. Enjoy!
note they will also wreck the front half of the deers meat
Have not seen them for sale up here in Canada.
Rifles are better and you can use them in Canada. We can't use them in Jersey.
Where you been ole son!
Hoping to do another hunting video this coming season!
Are you Canadian?
Yes...I live in Alberta, Canada
+Brobee223 Awsome! I love your accent. I was thinking of moving to Canada someday. Is it nice there?
I love it here.
Great vid thanks.
Glad you liked it! Cheers.
The shotgun is very nice but the super x are useless!! Try "Black Magic Brenekke" for deeper penetration-more power-more damage!
By the way.... great video!
And more accuracy of course!
Brenekkes are not more powerfull than these!!! There great slugs, but every slug I found in a deer are not expanded at all!!! Because they use a harder cast lead. Better for bear and big game. But, as I hunt only deer and these winchesters have soft lead that destroy game. I use nothing else, and wouldn't think twice to go for bigger game. As my gun can clover leaf 3 rounds at 75 yards no problem. With a little help, from my burris 2x7 scope!!! For a 12ga 2- 3/4 inch round, there right there at 1600FPS which is more than the new adverticed remington sluggers, and other 1 once slugs with the same specs!!And sabots fall even less powerful,with smaller bullets and less FPS!!!
When i was 13 years old, my father gave me his shotgun and left me in the woods for 2 hours. I spot a big male deer at 120 meters, i got closer almost at 90 and i put the gun in a rock. I put in the chamber a rottweil magnum brenekke and i shot! I aimed it to the head without a scope but just a silver dot in the end of the barrel. The slug hit the deer just a little bit lower of the ear and went through the neck. The deer had 120 kilos of clean meat and felt down like a piece of paper when i shot it! So my friend my favourite slugs r the brenekkes and i will never change them, now i use black magic brenekke and i hunt wild pigs, and bilieve me these Winchester cant compare this kind of slugs!
Best HD slugs
Don't know much about HD, but they sure hammer deer.
I think I'll shoot off my box of these and get some Challengers for bear carry, now.
Have no experience with these...if I ever get to another round of gelatin tests I'll be sure to put them on the list!
not to be a bootyhole, but i sure would like to hear about this bear encounter when the point blank 12 ga slug shot at the bear didnt perform as intended. id really like to hear that encounter. it sounds like a doozy. thanks for all the info
My main lesson from that particular experience....keep shooting! Appreciate your comment, thx.
@@Brobee223 lmao. understood. i think if it were me, id STILL be shooting. well done.
"...Rifle hunting isn't any challenge! Using a scope isn't a challenge either! Bow hunting isn't a challenge...unless it is with a "plain Jane" re curve; (no compounds)and you do it on the ground: NOT from a stand!" Animals just aren't a challenge!" Frankly; they never were! Even when I was a very young kid - DM
Your opinions were not needed or appreciated, I have a recurve, compound, shotguns, rifles. I use them all where i deem necessary, don't shame other hunters for your own nostalgic hunting! You know spears gave been around longer than bows, maybe that's the only "acceptable" "ethical" form of hunting. Your comments are as-not-appreciated as your choice to use a recurve, I contemplated buying a recurve as my first bow. Then I saved up and bought a bow that works better...... crazy what human innovation can do. Save you keyboard the trouble and next time don't comment..
brenneke black magic magnum the best for any big game!
*IF AVAILABLE... Copper, Iron, or steel slugs would penetrate better.*
Had had good experiences with a wide variety of brenneke lead slugs, have also used Federal's copper plated deep penetrator to good effect.
14 inches fine for most dear i have killed many deer with these mossberg 500 no problem
Me too. Cheers!
Go hunt halavenas down in Mexico and use a plain recurve...that's hunting too
That's bullshit thats an underpowered round! Also 14 inches is a decent amount of penetration.
If you're shooting deer sized animals, I would agree. If you're shooting bigger animals I would suggest you need more than 14 inches.
Well i suggest ur wrong 14 inches is plenty if you can't drop a beer with 14 inches of penetration thats one inch and a quarter diameter maybe u should quit hunting because u hit it in the guts!
i agree. #000 penitrates better,and for close range dangerous animals 12 ga round ball works best.
An lead ring!
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@@Brobee223 The projie turned into an lead ring, imagine it was made of zinc that harder and brittle.
Suuuper Canadian.
Takes all types, eh?
K well 14 inches is more than enough unless of course your trying to blow the bear in half...
+Bryce Pasta FBI minimum??? Where the hell do you find that statement?
For the third time Where do you find this so called F.B.I "requirement" at moron? Law enforcement use Hollow point rounds on people because of the ballistic damage spread, so unless your referring to a Hostage rescue sniper. Which is trying to penetrate a brick wall or something... . Then law enforcement gives two fucks about having such high powered rounds in there arsenal. They are not needed.
+shields817 anyway*
Good for two legged creatures!
Ouch! Hope it never comes to that.
Can you say Bob Ross. 🤔
Beat that brush!
There is a lot more to lethality than just penetration. Just look at the Lb. Ft. of energy a 1 oz. slug at 1600 fps produces. but if you would like more penetration try a slug with a less pronounced hollow point such as a Remington foster slug, or even a copper coated slug or better yet all copper or steel slug the list is endless. Why don't you fire that same slug at let's say a steer shoulder with the meat on it to give a better comparison to an actual animal as opposed those blocks everybody uses yet does not show how most real life shots are taken. Afterall how many times have you shot an animal without hitting any bone.
Have shot alot of big game animals with a lot of different shotgun rounds...for me I would choose penetration over expansion. Appreciate your comment!
Brobeeeeeeee!!!! :D
:)
twelve gauge aka 20mm...use rubber slugs...let the little bear go!
A slug is going to kill a bear, elk or moose, EASILY. Its just how fast..
Experience continues to teach me there are way less absolutes than you might imagine....
@@Brobee223 I know that things arent absolute. A slug could hit legs or the shoulders and not kill the bear. I just know that if fired properly with a good aim, youll hit the bear and as I said prior, youll kill the attacking animal. Its just how fast.
Am just saying that my experience with these specific slugs carefully shot with careful aim into the thorax of large and dangerous animals is different. Appreciate that your knowledge and confidence makes you so sure. Cheers.
@@Brobee223 do you know how fast a slug moves? Do you know the projectile size?
My issue is not with it's impressive velocity (1600fps), mass (1oz or 437gr), or initial diameter (0.74"), it's with the softness of the material which, at close range, is IMHO poorly matched to it's velocity and mass. The consequence is that the slug pancakes quickly into a thin donut, and my experience has been that this donut deflects very easily around the rib bones of big, heavy animals. Thus even with "perfect shot placement", you can't predict the trajectory of the slug through the animal and it might "roll around the ribs", missing the cardiovascular vital structures completely. I've had much better experience with slugs traveling somewhat slower (1200 or 1300fps) or made from alloyed material which is much harder than soft swaged lead.
Why does he talk to everybody like kids this is kind of creepy
Folks either love or hate my narration style - guess you are in the latter camp.
defensive slug it seems
Would not want to hunt with it, I think I would prefer deep and predictable penetration.
@@Brobee223 yes, that's my point. 2 legged critters it seams like would be devastated
deer
Hope so sometime soon!