WILL A RIFLED CHOKE IMPROVE ACCURACY WITH RIFLED SLUGS?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2020
- Will a rifled choke tube shoot Foster (aka rifled) slugs accurately? Video recorded at the Buffalo Rifle and Pistol Range.
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Wow. That's really impressive shooting. How's the shoulder? I typically start crying like a girl after about 5 slugs. Bravo!
🤣😂🤣 The shoulder is better today. Not gonna lie I could feel it for a couple of days! I am getting soft!
@@buffalosoutdoors Tenderized more like.
dont shoot my overloaded rounds then, i go stupid heavy, i have bruised mine and my friends shoulders more than once. and it was worth it. the energy dump was insane target side to.
Wondered the same. When I bench any of my shotguns I end up with a sore shoulder, bruised the older I become. I specifically replayed the vid a few times watching for muzzle rise then ejection then...Buffalo's shoulder.
Love this video. I have an 870 Wingmaster, 28" Smooth Bore Modified choke, 1976, Hardwood. A heavy gun that reduces recoil a lot when shooting magnum slugs- very accurate, but WOAH, protect your ears! Those shells are ear busters! Wear ear protection to be safe.
Well, I am quite surprised it made that much of a difference. We filmed some stuff today using cylinder, full rifling and rifled choke and did not see improvements adding spin with the type of slug we were using. But it will give me an opportunity to send people over to THIS video.
My results may be atypical. It says on the package that it will cut groups in half vs smoothbore but it done more than that out of my shotgun. I can't wait to see your video!
@@buffalosoutdoors A viewer sent some special aerodynamic wax slugs... You won't believe how badly they worked! lol
@@taofledermaus Sounds like a video I won't want to miss! LOL
@@taofledermaus Tao what if you poured just pure wax in the bottom 1/3 of the shotcup and the rest birdshot/wax? Push the center of gravity further forward.
👍😎👍❤!
"Some people struggle with basic things" A nice southern gentlemen's way of calling some one stupid.
Non-shooters don't understand that a good group isn't always on the bullseye.
So true!
A group on the bullseye just tells you that your gun is zeroed well. A 3/4” group with rifled slugs tells that you’re a great shot.
@@C0SSAC That's what non shooters don't understand. A good group even six inches off, is good shooting! Just need to adjust your sights is all. Once the gun hits where you are aiming, you are good to go!
Was going to write this but since Muskrat here already has, I just upvoted his comment instead.
looking for precision not accuracy
As a guy who has shot a few shotgun slugs through cylinder bore and rifled chokes and barrels, I was surprised and impressed. Who knew it would make that much difference. Another classic Buffalo! Thanks! -OG. 😎👍
What does a newbie like you know about shotguns?? 😉
Thanks for swinging by OG! Always glad to see you in the comments sir!
OMG, OG... 'Just a few slugs' 😅😂🤩
When OG says it is impressive shooting..... 😐
.... that's impressive.
Ha!!! Loved the dog taking the 4 squealer out for a ride.
HA! Now that's funny!
That’s very impressive, i’ve never seen a shotgun slug shoot that good, I would definitely say that rifled choke improved the group size
It sure did make an improvement. ALways glad to see you here brother!
Great content, thank you. For the individuals not comprehending the placement of the shots on the target, think of this as a consistency test and not a accuracy test.
I was not expecting to see a dog riding a pig when i clicked this video
THey belong to my daughter. I feel like I live in a cartoon world sometimes!
Buff, first off, that was probably one of the best slug groups I ever saw. That rifled choke tube made the difference. Worth the $50, for sure. Second, whenever I sight in any scope, I may zero in with bullseyes, but I always set my elevation a little higher, so I will have good shots out at longer range. You can always lower your aim point if you're shooting at closer range, like you did at 50 yards. Like always, enjoyed your videos.
THanks! That is typically what I do as well!
When that 3rd round went in the same hole 🤩
Yeah! For a second I wondered if he missed the paper, but the rest proved he didn't.
Mike I've seen my fair share of shooters in my 52yrs of running deer , bear,water fowl,upland game bird's, even racoon& squirrel.. just please remember optics was how much power perception and dead reckoning and a Damned a kmisr Good Shot! !!!!;One Office
I am so glad I boogered that first group with the rifled tube up because if it had been "good enough" I wouldn't have shot that beautiful gopher hole!
I get a similar improvement in accuracy with my smooth bore Remington 870 with a rifled choke tube and foster type slugs. I was surprised at how much it tightened up my groups.
Glad to hear you got similar results!
An excellent group, Most of us would be hard pressed to get even close, well done Buffalo.
Thank you! I appreciate the comment!
Buffalo I have never seen a more eye opening video about shotguns. Yes, they will teach you ho to flinch. That's why I love my 28 gauge.
Those 28 gauges are sweeeeet! Thanks!
I had a Winchester 1300 rifled barrel. I was getting groups like that. Put too 60 yards. Love the channel. Keep producing I'll keep watching. God bless.
Awesome! Those 1300s are good shotguns!
@@buffalosoutdoorscan you get rifled chokes for the 1300’s?? Shooting camels in Australia with a Winchester 1300
"Impressive"? Incredible!
I salute you sir! 👍
I find myself sitting on the edge of my seat in anticipation when watching your shots impact the target. I’m rooting you on and hoping your group is tight. Great video. Just subscribed.
Thanks for clearing this up. There is so much misinformation concerning this and you did a hell of a job sir. Thank you.
Buff, that was the best video I have seen regarding shooting subjects. I am very impressed with you and the quality and substance of your vids. Thanks!
There is no doubt acbout the informative value of your videos. It concise, clear and the proof is in the shooting. Thank you
Wow! Great shooting, but even more impressed by the video, itself. One of the best I've ever seen, clear, relevant, and answered every question I had about the same time I was thinking it up. Right up there with Paul H. You sir, surprised me with your knowledge and experience and good humor. I'm sorry to say that I misjudged you at the beginning and that made me flinch. I felt like a slug, myself. Thanks for going back for that third group. I just subscribed.
Outstanding effort! Well done! Thanks for showing the actual firing of the 5 shot group.
This is the best, most informative slug shooting video I have ever watched, thank you!
I am so glad you decided to use 😊the scope that told me that you were wanting to prove how good the gun would shoot instead of how good you were thank you for your help 😀
Jesus,, Buff THAT is some serious shooting!!!! And to tell you the truth, I'm an old guy, and I can't ever remember any shotgun guy that I ever hunted with, who DIDN'T flinch after 4 or 5 shots from a heavy 12 gauge load. You should've seen the guys recently trying 3" 1 Oz slugs from Remington at 1875 fps...out of under 7 lb Riot Slug Guns!!!! Man, those rounds will knock you into tomorrow LOL.
Good group shootin' Buffalo :) I'm impressed.
Love this video, dang near sabot performance with conventional slugs. For those who don’t know, it is actually preferred to shoot groups offset from the bullseye. This allows you to have a consistent point of aim to rest your sights or crosshairs on without destroying the bullseye half way through the grouping.
Buffalo's Outdoors, I'm British and I love your videos, you are a no nonsense RUclipsr that tell's it like it is and I appreciate it. Keep up the great work.
Wow, great shooting with a rifled choke and rifled slugs.
Your the man. Such a genuine dude right here keep up the good work buffalo! 🐃
I appreciate that! Really. I do. I get a lot of hate on some of my videos but it's nice to know that some of yall dig what I am doing! Thank you!
I love how straight to the point your videos are! Good shooting
Thank you for that. Sometimes I struggle to get to the point though... I am still not real comfortable with the camera but I am getting better all the time.
Bro, very well done and lots of solid information. I've been struggling with grouping rifled slugs. Lots of bad press about rifled choke tubes but seeing this video was encouraging and proof that they can improve accuracy. Checking that your slug had the same twist as your choke was a very good advice. Ive liked and subscribed.. Thank you very much!
Dang!!! Best slug group I’ve ever seen. Bravo!!! 👍👍👍
I always enjoy your vids, the effort and thought you put into them is evident. Truly a pleasure to watch and answers questions I didn’t even know I’d have.
Thank you very much for leaving this comment! I appreciate it!
What great shooting! Being able to shoot that well with such abusive recoil is a testament to your ability. Congratulations! I always enjoy your videos. Wish we could share some coffee or a beer, seem like a great guy.
Man I really appreciate your comment. I do like my coffee and an occasional cold beer. I am glad you enjoy the videos.
How refreshing it is to hear a shooter admit they flinched. This isnt a Manly Man contest its a fun sport, I appreciate that you make your videos fu. For us, the viewers. You got a new subscriber buddy
This is as good as it gets Sir! My hat is off to you. Well done!
I've had similar results with my 870 and a 20" bbl with rifle sights and a rifled Hastings tube. It's a bean shooter and you do lead up everything. Foster slugs are cheap compared to the sabot slugs and can be very accurate. I've tried Winchester foster slugs and Federal Truball. Same result
I found the same thing with the same set up as you say
But there are people out that say you should not do it But it sure shoots good and I never had any trouble doing it
Another excellent review, scientific and beautifully produced. Thanks buffalo
Thank you! Always glad to see you in the comments section!
Nice shooting !!! Very well done video , seriously answering the viewer's question ... I feel highly informed ! Thanks for your great videos !
Good method in isolating the variable and a clearly explained conclusion.
Ohhhh yes. The Flinch. When you think you have it mastered, forget to take the safety off and try to take a shot when the camera is rolling 🙄. 🇺🇸😎
LOL! ABSOLUTELY! I have been there!
I've seen many a man yank the trigger on the old smoke pole and damn near get knocked down and receive mild physical damage after an audible ''Click'' after it not going off. LOL ! Muzzle rise of about two feet. It is amazing how much recoil a bare firing pin can have. Warning. Some ribbing can occur after you open your eyes back up and your facial features return back to normal. LOL ! But you may have just found out why that ''Damn Scope'' won't hold a zero.
I love all your videos, but I found this one particularly interesting and informative. And yes, it IS a good way to develop a nice flinch. :D
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it and found it informative! I truly wonder sometimes if I am helping folks or not so it is always nice to hear this kind of feedback!
Thank you sir. I ordered a rifled choke for my smooth bore after seeing your video. I’ll let you know how deer season goes. Wishing all the hunters out there, all the best. Fabulous video!!
That is simply amazing. What a great improvement the rifle tubed made. Thanks for all your videos as they are top notch professional.
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate it. I was surprised by the difference it made!
Thanks for another very cool video! Excellent shooting as always!
Thank you!
My OCD was screaming for you to zero the scope first but I understood that the goal here was to focus on the grouping and that grouping was BEAUTIFUL!
I've got an SDS bullpup so I am definitely sold on scoring myself a good rifled choke for it.
"Some people really struggle with basic thing's!"
That's golden my friend!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Outstanding shooting! I live in Illinois, where shotgun slugs are the law, and that is great shooting for a foster slug, and even a sabot slug! I have an old Marlin Slugmaster that is very accurate, but only with the $3 a shot sabot slugs. Getting that kind of accuracy with a cheaper foster type slug is phenomenal. I would be proud of that final group as well.
Illinois still doesn't allow the straight case rifle rounds? Man..... I wish they would all figure it out soon.
Gary Trainer Nope, not yet. It would be nice, though. Illinois is very restrictive on gun laws, hunting regulations, etc. A few years ago they actually started allowing crossbows, which is still amazing to consider. One can still hope....
Thanks for the comment and hello from KY! I was surprised at the results I got as I had watched other videos on the topic and the results were mixed. Most seem to see improvement with rifled slugs over using just the smooth bore but those improvements varied from barely noticeable to dramatic as in my case.
@@johndilday1846 (tongue n cheek) isn't Chicago in Illinois? Does the city have different, less stringent gun laws? Here in good ol' NYS we have the SAFE Act and "catch n release." And in my city there's a rising gun related murder rate.
Seriously tho, very impressed with Buffalo's grouping. Prior to watching the vid I anticipated a "no significant change" result.
Stay safe in Illinois and good hunting.
Good testing as love the results and grouping....Good stuff....
Thanks Scott!
A wonderful test using good, standard methods, no messing about. Taofledermaus sent me here and I'm glad he did. On a less important side note, as a Brit I enjoy the varying accents of my nation. They change almost from one square mile to the next which is something I find interesting. Your accent is nothing short of wonderful. What a pleasure to listen to. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for your work. Im getting a rifled choke for mine.
Wow really interesting results. Plus Thanks I took your advice and I’m an expert at flinching now. Ha!!!
LOL! Glad you mastered it!
I'm in too!!🤣😂
Wow! That's amazing!!! My mouth was hanging open, literally, from amazement when you shot that tight group! You've got a tack driver .73 cal rifle there! Good video presentation too. Thanks a lot. You've really done a service to shooters with this video. Thanks again!
This is what I'd call a "1 1/4" and WTH was that" group. The other? I'm speachless. Wow. Thanks for the vid.
Nice group mate. Thanks for the video, very interesting 👍🏻
Impressive!
That's only a 1-1/2 MOA group.
That's into sniper accuracy.
Good to know.
Yeah, I can barely shoot my rifles that well. That's some seriously impressive performance (both by the shotgun/choke and especially the shooter).
If that impressed Buffalo, imagine how us mere mortals feel? Great shooting!
😂🤣😂 It certainly did impress me! Thanks very much!
That’s awesome right there! I would’ve lost a bet that it wouldn’t make that kind of difference. I really enjoy your videos. God Bless & keep em coming 👍
Great video, great shot results with rifled choke, thanks by you work and dedication, congratulations.
It's a shame Nikon stopped making rifle scopes. One of my favorites to this day is a Nikon with a turret calibrated for standard velocity 22lr. Rather than having drop points in the reticle, you just turn the exposed turret to your shooting distance as it's marked after getting it sighted in. Good quality glass too!
Amen! This was my trusted brand of scopes. I would pay the extra for their quality !
I totally agree with you about the Nikons. I put a 3-9x40 Monarch on my '06 30+ years ago. Its still one of my favorites today. Image clarity is right there with my Leupold costing 4 times more.
Just for the record I learn a lot from your videos. Thank you very much!
That "learn how to flinch" comment is priceless. Excellent video and impressive shooting. Thanks
Excellent Shooting . A foster slug printing 2.5" high at 50 yards id dead on at 100 yards .
Thanks for the info!
Like your new shooting bench; that might be one reason you haven’t done that trick before. Sighting in slug guns is no fun day at the range. I gave up on those big long shot shells for hunting waterfowl. It got to the point I only use 2¾ and 3-inch shells for hunting waterfowl. Them big old shells do kill ducks and geese better but, if you like eating them they don’t leave much left to eat a lot of times. I was hunting with an old duck hunter in a public shooting blind one time. I had a Mag 10. He looked at me when he saw that thing and said we ain’t hunting flying elephants just ducks. He was right and I was young and dumb. He said; the secret to killing ducks; is you just wait till their close young man. He was right again; and you don’t have to walk far to find them neither. The fun thing about using a Mag 10 was the echo the bad thing was; every duck for miles knows where not to go. I have two AL 390 shotguns one 12 and one 20. If I hunt little woodland beaver ponds I take the 20 and it does a fine job. Something to think about. You should leave that scope on the next time you go duck hunting for your hunting buddies to ponder why they never thought doing that before you did.
I also like your new shooting bench. I've never seen you shoot left handed, but it looks like it's designed to accommodate that equally if you were inclined to. As an ambidextrous shooter, I like that design. Very good slug shooting BTW!
I made it to accommodate my son who shoots long guns left handed. He's right handed but left eye dominant. This way he can use the bench too. He's only 12 and is becoming quite the marksman. Thank you for the comment.
Excellent comment sir. I enjoy having you in the comments section of my videos. Always well written and easy to understand. I can tell that it comes from experience. So thank you.
@@buffalosoutdoors I enjoy your channel and things you cover in your videos. I like seeing someone spending time shooting shotguns and testing shot shells and slugs. Most people don’t realize how much difference there is to using the right shot shell and choke. Most shotgun shooters buy a 12 bore and never understand the reason to use anything else. The difference in shot shells and shotguns are much harder to get right than getting a rifle to shoot well. Your video brought the memory of hunting ducks with that old grizzly faced duck hunter back. Some experiences you learn hunting; should never be forgotten. When you shoot five slugs in one hole; you got something right. I had to laugh; when someone made the comment on not hitting the bullseye.
Great video editing and great instructions on the choke tube. Like the way you describe all the factors and functions. Incredible grouping.
Holy crap that's awesome, Thanks for the video!
for a 50 yard gun, all the groups were acceptable. two decent and one outstanding. The great thing about that last one is I think you might have a legit 100 yard gun there. Curious to know the drop off at 100 yards.
Well there ya go.
Another fine piece of work!!
After watching the video I must ask, how is the shoulder feeling after taking those 3 to 4 inch punches??
Excellent shootin ole fella!!!
It was a little sore for a day or two...not gonna lie. I am getting soft!
That's what happens when you get...........😎
Nice job on this. Just subscribed to this channel. You have a common man approach and message. I like keeping things simple. Thanks for your efforts and taking us along
Thanks and welcome to the channel. Glad to have you here.
That group was amazing. Thanks for the video.
Just the engineer in me, I wonder about those rifled chokes and how much stress they're under when that slug slams into the rifling. In a fully rifled bore, a bullet starts rotation early in acceleration. In other words, not going that quickly when they start to rotate.
In this shotgun, more than likely the slug is already doing 1400-1500 FPS when it hits that rifling. That's gotta put a significant amount of rotational strain on that choke. My guess is the reaction causes the choke to tighten rather than loosen.
.. I see your little dog bought himself a Harley Davidson.
Correct about the rotation. The rifling is always opposite to the threading on the choke causing it to self tighten so to speak. much the same as bolts on the front of engine crankshafts.
Wonder if someone didn’t take the insert out for a while and shot it a bunch would it impact tighten where it was hard to loosen
I've seen guns torque in the hands of people in slow motion video, as a counter-action to heavy bullets resisting rotation in the rifling. Have to remember that rifling causes bullets to spin some ridiculously high RPM, way faster than many realize.
The slug is rotating do to its shape so that means the rifling just needs to speed it up to some degree.
1:35 twist x 4"
Let's assume the slug travels 24" before it touches the choke rifling. I bet that slug hasn't rotated more than 2 revolutions in that distance. The only means it has to rotate is the breeze blowing across those little fins, imparting rotation like rocket fins.
Buffalo said the choke has a 1:35 twist rate.
Let's assume 1,400 fps slug speed by the time it reaches the rifling. Let's also assume the rifling in the choke is 4 inches long. On to the math:
1400 feet in 1 second, converted is 16,800 inches in a second. At this rate, the slug hits the rifling instantly imparting rotation across 4 inches of choke, or .00024 seconds to transverse the choke. After leaving the choke (assuming no slow-down), the slug is spinning at 28,800 RPM. Yes, you read that right.
Whatever minor rotation it has before hitting the choke is essentially inconsequential compared to how quickly it has to begin rotating. For sake of my math, 0 RPM to 28,800 RPM in 0.00024 seconds. 480 revolutions per second.
Thar's impressive, I'd hang that up too!
Thank you! It went on my reloading room wall!
Damn , that’s the best s.s. group I’ve ever seen. Guess the rifled choke tubes do improve accuracy.
I was looking for a slug barrel for my 835 yesterday. After seeing this I'm going for a choke for my 1200. Thanks for your good experiments.
Who here from taofledermaus' stream?
Me
I was always wondering why i would get stray flyer when sighting in slugs for my 12ga... Good to know I am a Firearms Master at something finally!!! Albeit a flinch but oh wrll, beggers cant be choosers 🤣👍👍
And even the animals on range getting ready it seems by forming their own heavy armored division🤣🤣
LOL! Glad to hear you have it mastered! Now go teach it to as many others as you can 😂🤣😂
HAHAHA!
Great video I’m going to get one of those rifled choke tubes now. 👍
This finally made my site 😮
Very impressive
I’m helping my grandson set up his shotgun and this is a perfect share
Thank you 👍🏻
Outstanding video! I had just purchased a Carlson’s rifled choke tube for my new shotgun wondering if it was the real deal…then started looking for videos. Impressive!
Another great video on the improved cylinder choke versus the Carlson's rifled improved cylinder choke. Well done Buffalo. Your making me spend more $$$ !
Also great advice on cleaning using rifled slugs - they are really dirty.
Great video! Exactly the content I was looking for!
I’m new to your channel, but have to say I find your tests very informative
And enjoyable to watch. Im 59 and have allways owned one shotgun or another since childhood on the farm.
But for the first time, I finally purchased a Benelli shotgun with changeable choke tubes! And you have been part of the education bringing me up to speed on what possible chokes to buy, and the differences between them… yep, have a Carlson’s rifled choke tube on the way… I was impressed with what that did for a foster slug. and since
I use 00 buck, your other tests have certainly applied to anything I do.
Just wanted to drop a thankyou.
I can totally relate to "how to become a "flinch master" I recall the day my Pop asked me to help him sight in his Remington 7600 35 Wheelan.. His thought was to shoot it prone to gain the most stable shot.. (Thanks Pop!!) Although the scope didn't cut me,, my shoulder still remembers that fine day... Great video! Cherish your time here and the one's you love!
Pop R.I.P.04/08/21
That's great shooting. I'm glad you shot that second group. I was contemplating a rifled barrel for my moss500, but I will for sure add this to the choke case!!
I am impressed with your video because I have had a lot of experience with the rifled barrel and the other with all types of slugs. I agree with you on everthing. That was a very good group and thank you 😊
Excellent video! Best explanation I've seen on slugs and their effectiveness. I may forget buying a rifled slug barrel combo. Thanks
Well done video! Amazing group!
That is some nice shooting Buffalo and what a difference it makes.Thanks for the video to.
This was excellent shooting once again. You are a fine shot, sir. That third shot in particular through the rifled choke made no impression on the paper that I could see. It was literally through the same hole. I suppose using quality slug ammunition also helps. Shows how versatile the shotgun can be from skeet to slug! Thank you for showing this.
Well done! Great grouping and video!
I like that he shot first and took the time to explain the results
I'm so impressed with that slug group!
Thank you Carlson for making and selling a great rifle choke
Great to see this. I picked up one of those rifled choke tubes few years ago for my 20ga pump. I always used those sluggers for hunting. Great bullets.
Amazing group. Great job!
I watched RUclips videos on shotguns shooting slugs contest at 300 yards. Very impressive.
Now that is mighty good to know Buffalo! Okay now to check the new Maverick to see which barrel might have a screw-in choke. Then to buy a rifled choke for that barrel. It came with an improved cylinder barrel and a longer vent rib field barrel.
I second that last Wow! Great video, Buffalo. I appreciate how you tell it like it is, without excuses (windy day, aging eyes, I've read them all by the professional gun writers). You do straight up honest reporting. And you shoot 5 shot groups, even with these heavy hitters. I shoot 20 gauge single shots and the slugs punish me plenty. Thanks again.
Very impressive! Great shooting on your part as well! I would have guessed 2-2 1/2" would have been good for that choke. Great job!
I would have been very happy with 2-2 1/2"! Looking back I am glad I messed that first group up with the rifled choke because if it had been in that 2-2 1/2" range I probably would have stopped and thought "good enough" and I would have never shot that gopher hole!