Nice test. Thanks! I have a smooth bore set up with budget optics. It's not performing as well as yours but I'm good with it. Wasn't wanting to spend the extra for rifled barrel and sabot slugs. I can hit inside a 6in target 50 to 100y. That's likely better than I can do open sights.
@@matttyreeoutdoors I have not. I've heard about them. Saw a yt video where someone tested that out. I believe it did help some. Donn't remember who it was.
Brenneke original has been my favorite factory slugs for smooth bore forever!!(never tried them in rifling) 28" cylinder bore 4" at 100yrds all day long.
To all the whiners out there saying you can't shoot rifled slugs through rifled barrels...False. According to the brenneke website, the fins on the projectile are not designed to impart spin, but to more efficiently grip the rifling, or squish while passing through a choke tube. You can shoot any slug through any barrel, the only no no is shooting slugs through full or extra full choke tubes. While it's true that shooting Foster style slugs through rifled barrels will lead to more lead fouling and difficult cleaning, it's good cheap practice. This guy has the right idea, test several different rounds as not everything performs the same through your setup. Find what shoots well for hunting, and a good practice round.
Agreed…Hastings started making rifled barrels for shotguns before sabots were even on the shelves..guys used foster slugs in them religiously…do your due diligence and clean the gun properly when needed and a guy can shoot rifled slugs in a rifled barrel all day long
We have seen good accuracy from this short barrel a number of times. Even what we saw here wasn't bad at all. They claimed 3" at 100 yards, and we saw 3.3"
Nice review! It must be a fairly new variation (?) as I hadn't heard of that particular load, though I have gotten great results with other Brenneke slugs designed for my smoothbores, such as the Classic Magnum and Special Forces Short Magnums. It appears to be really just a slightly-undersized slug in an unusually thick, slitted shotcup, rather than what we normally think of as a true sabot system. Regardless, it certainly seems to have a lot of potential as a great big game slug load. Any chance you could cut one apart and throw a micrometer on the slug itself, for its' actual diameter?
I don't know how long the red magics have been out, but I've seen them several times over the last few years at least. Now I do think they changed the sabot a little because it used to be red instead of clear-ish. I will see what I can do about getting a measurement on one because the holes do look slightly smaller than usual
@@matttyreeoutdoors Thanks. I see they also offer the Red Magic in a 2-3/4" variation at 1584 fps. muzzle velocity, but the same payload as far as I can tell.
I'm working on a way for yall to send ammo for us to test on the channel and it should be coming really soon. I'll make an announcement when I get everything sorted, so keep an eye out!
You can shoot rifled or sabot slugs through a rifled barrel, but when it comes to smooth bore barrels, sabot slugs won't fully stabilize which is why you use rifled slugs. These were sabot slugs, so they were perfectly fine to shoot through this setup
@@matttyreeoutdoors rifled slugs where designed for smooth bores to try to get a little twist out of them while going down the bore. Sabot slugs are for rifled barells only.
@danielnalepinski3884 yes, you are correct. Sabot slugs won't stabilize properly in smooth bore barrels which is where rifled slugs come in. Rifled barrels are typically better with sabot slugs, but you can shoot rifled slugs through them as well although you may not always see any improvements in accuracy over a smooth bore
@@danielnalepinski3884"rifled slugs" do technically impart a twist, as seen on tauflatermouse, but it's not really functional. If you run the math, the twist rate through a smooth bore is roughly between 1:120" to 1:240". Roughly 1/2 to 1/4 of the rate for patched round ball muzzleloaders(usually about 1:60"). So the ultra low twist rate isn't really gonna magically stabilize a projectile out of a smooth bore, if that projectile was not stable to begin with, thus despite the "spin", it doesn't function to gyroscopically stabilize the projectile. It's like shooting rifle bullets that are too long for your twist rate. Yeah they're spinning, but it's not really helping you out. Brenneke slugs, and others with the wad attached, stabilize and fly similar to a "bad-mitten birdy". Other designs also exploit this principle, such as the "diabolo slug"(pellet gun... pellet shape), and others.
False. According to the brenneke website, the fins on the projectile are not designed to impart spin, but to more efficiently grip the rifling, or squish while passing through a choke tube. You can shoot any slug through any barrel, the only no no is shooting slugs through full or extra full choke tubes. While it's true that shooting Foster style slugs through rifled barrels will lead to more lead fouling and difficult cleaning, it's good cheap practice. This guy has the right idea, test several different rounds as not everything performs the same through your setup. Find what shoots well for hunting, and a good practice round.
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Nice test. Thanks! I have a smooth bore set up with budget optics. It's not performing as well as yours but I'm good with it. Wasn't wanting to spend the extra for rifled barrel and sabot slugs. I can hit inside a 6in target 50 to 100y. That's likely better than I can do open sights.
Have you tried a rifled choke? If your gun takes chokes and you're shooting rifled slugs, you should try it out and see if it helps
@@matttyreeoutdoors I have not. I've heard about them. Saw a yt video where someone tested that out. I believe it did help some. Donn't remember who it was.
Brenneke original has been my favorite factory slugs for smooth bore forever!!(never tried them in rifling) 28" cylinder bore 4" at 100yrds all day long.
I definitely have plans on running some more of the different brenneke slugs to see what they can do
Do love the imprint they cut through the paper....i do love red and black magic on water jugs.
Yeah, they do leave a pretty unique hole in the paper
To all the whiners out there saying you can't shoot rifled slugs through rifled barrels...False. According to the brenneke website, the fins on the projectile are not designed to impart spin, but to more efficiently grip the rifling, or squish while passing through a choke tube. You can shoot any slug through any barrel, the only no no is shooting slugs through full or extra full choke tubes. While it's true that shooting Foster style slugs through rifled barrels will lead to more lead fouling and difficult cleaning, it's good cheap practice. This guy has the right idea, test several different rounds as not everything performs the same through your setup. Find what shoots well for hunting, and a good practice round.
Yep, agreed
Agreed…Hastings started making rifled barrels for shotguns before sabots were even on the shelves..guys used foster slugs in them religiously…do your due diligence and clean the gun properly when needed and a guy can shoot rifled slugs in a rifled barrel all day long
I've used those slugs for many years. They used to be sold as Brenneke K O Sabot. 2 3/4 loads had plenty of power.
I think there's a shop near me that has some of those older versions. I might have to pick them up next time I'm there if they still have them
@@matttyreeoutdoors I think they had a confusion between the common foster-type K.O. and the K.O. Sabot.
Those are pretty good!!! With the shorter barrel. The speed was pretty good. I would definitely use them for deer!
They would definitely get the job done
I shoot 2.75 Brenneke K.O. (knock out) slugs in my 870 and found that the stats on the box are also consistent with performance.
I think a local shop near me might have some of those, so I may have to pick them up and see how they do at some point
@@matttyreeoutdoors I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Great, well presented information here Matt. I think I'll give these Brenneke sabots a shot. [Pun intended]
Yeah, they seem to be pretty decent shells, so they are definitely worth a try
Any ballistic gel test coming for the red magics ? The Brenneke web site said expansion to .90 inches . So softer lead in these ?
I can't guarantee any gel testing, but we might be able to do some water jug testing and see how they compare to a regular Brenneke slug
I think your barrel is too short for good accuracy. Might be good to try a 24" barrel.
We have seen good accuracy from this short barrel a number of times. Even what we saw here wasn't bad at all. They claimed 3" at 100 yards, and we saw 3.3"
Nice review!
It must be a fairly new variation (?) as I hadn't heard of that particular load, though I have gotten great results with other Brenneke slugs designed for my smoothbores, such as the Classic Magnum and Special Forces Short Magnums.
It appears to be really just a slightly-undersized slug in an unusually thick, slitted shotcup, rather than what we normally think of as a true sabot system.
Regardless, it certainly seems to have a lot of potential as a great big game slug load.
Any chance you could cut one apart and throw a micrometer on the slug itself, for its' actual diameter?
I don't know how long the red magics have been out, but I've seen them several times over the last few years at least. Now I do think they changed the sabot a little because it used to be red instead of clear-ish. I will see what I can do about getting a measurement on one because the holes do look slightly smaller than usual
@@matttyreeoutdoors Thanks. I see they also offer the Red Magic in a 2-3/4" variation at 1584 fps. muzzle velocity, but the same payload as far as I can tell.
Matt, are you sure that barrel is 18.5 inches and not 20 inches? That's what I remember that they were advertised as 20 inches.
Yes, it is an 18.5" barrel. I think most of the actual Remington barrels today are 20 inches, but this is an early 90s gun that is truly 18.5"
That's a 32 gauge thug slug in a sabot. .. but if it works, awesome !
They are pretty similar, but not exactly the same. Either way, we saw pretty much what the box claimed
Would love to send you some federal trophy coppers to shoot out of that 870!
I'm working on a way for yall to send ammo for us to test on the channel and it should be coming really soon. I'll make an announcement when I get everything sorted, so keep an eye out!
I bet those would THUMP a Deer 🦌
Yeah, I have no doubt
Rifled slugs go in smooth bore barrels. Rifled barrel gets non rifled slugs.
You can shoot rifled or sabot slugs through a rifled barrel, but when it comes to smooth bore barrels, sabot slugs won't fully stabilize which is why you use rifled slugs. These were sabot slugs, so they were perfectly fine to shoot through this setup
@@matttyreeoutdoors rifled slugs where designed for smooth bores to try to get a little twist out of them while going down the bore. Sabot slugs are for rifled barells only.
@danielnalepinski3884 yes, you are correct. Sabot slugs won't stabilize properly in smooth bore barrels which is where rifled slugs come in. Rifled barrels are typically better with sabot slugs, but you can shoot rifled slugs through them as well although you may not always see any improvements in accuracy over a smooth bore
@@danielnalepinski3884"rifled slugs" do technically impart a twist, as seen on tauflatermouse, but it's not really functional. If you run the math, the twist rate through a smooth bore is roughly between 1:120" to 1:240". Roughly 1/2 to 1/4 of the rate for patched round ball muzzleloaders(usually about 1:60"). So the ultra low twist rate isn't really gonna magically stabilize a projectile out of a smooth bore, if that projectile was not stable to begin with, thus despite the "spin", it doesn't function to gyroscopically stabilize the projectile. It's like shooting rifle bullets that are too long for your twist rate. Yeah they're spinning, but it's not really helping you out. Brenneke slugs, and others with the wad attached, stabilize and fly similar to a "bad-mitten birdy". Other designs also exploit this principle, such as the "diabolo slug"(pellet gun... pellet shape), and others.
False. According to the brenneke website, the fins on the projectile are not designed to impart spin, but to more efficiently grip the rifling, or squish while passing through a choke tube. You can shoot any slug through any barrel, the only no no is shooting slugs through full or extra full choke tubes. While it's true that shooting Foster style slugs through rifled barrels will lead to more lead fouling and difficult cleaning, it's good cheap practice. This guy has the right idea, test several different rounds as not everything performs the same through your setup. Find what shoots well for hunting, and a good practice round.