If you're poor you don't have a lot of money the one weapon you should buy is a shotgun you could kill anything from a squirrel to a moose with a shotgun.
@@pacifist_productionsMy pleasure. I was toting an H&R 12g slug gun for a few years, rifled barrel, it worked those Hornady sabots like a dialed in rifle. An amazing blind or stand gun, but heavy as a dickens. My father gifted me a Sxs 16g. Once I figured out the right load for the Lyman style slugs I cast for it, the beast is mine up to 75yds. The 75yd limit is imposed upon me due to eyesight limitations and open sights. I picked up an 870 last year from one of the fellows in my group. Such an adaptable firearm for very little money extra. You can pack a pump with extra barrels in your pack and be ready for just about anything. I prefer the balance of a SxS and the broad reference plain it provides. Do you find the pump and semis tend to be top heavy? Especially with magazine limitations, 2 in the tube and 1 in the chamber around here. Anyways. Take care and stay well.
So many linguists on this thread! Thanks for the helpful video. There are so many varia les that come into play. Barrel length is a big one in my opinion. Copper vs lead, scope vs iron, choke vs no choke, not to mention all the different brands of ammo. The point is to test and find the right combo.
I saw a guy on youtube improve that 24 inch smooth barrel quite a bit with rifled slugs through a rifled choke, went from a 3.5 inch pattern at 50y to a 1.5 inch pattern
Good video. I like how you explained why you picked this over the Mossberg and how you showed changing the barrel in addition to all of the different loads, barrel, and targets you shot at.
@@pacifist_productions Russian Poleva slug, or it's reproductions, should get the job done. The catch is, those slugs are designed for shooting trough smoothbore barrel as shotguns in Europe are not rifled.
I had both 12 and 20 ga Remington 870's with rifled barrels and open sights. I tested (at great expense) every sabot slug known to man and found the Lightfield was hands-down the best in both guns. I eventually sold off the 12 and now hunt exclusively with the 20. It's become my favorite deer gun as it's light and easy to carry, dependable, and kills deer just as good as any 12 I've ever used. I employ a shooting stick, and with a good rest and comfortable stance, I don't even think twice at shooting standing deer at 100 yards. The farthest deer I've shot with that combination was 147 measured yards. Unfortunately, Lightfield no longer produces ammunition and I only have a few boxes left. Makes me sad!
Great info. I'm always trying to see how far I can reach out with different shotguns & various loads. It's like an addiction 🤣. Thanks for the video, good stuff 👍
I have an 870 w/slug barrel, but my deer gun is a Mossberg 500 w/24" rifled barrel with cantilever scope mount. I set up an identical gun for my son-in-law. We use only Hornady SST sabot slugs w/scopes zeroed @ 125 yards. 3" groups are common. 1st time out my SIL got a 1 shot kill on a doe - heart shot @ 157 yards. He's shot several others from 50 yards to 175. My experience differs 'cuz of my hunting site. Mine have all been 7 to 15 yards. The SST sabots are expensive, but very reliable. I also have a scoped Savage bolt gun w/24" rifled barrel that gives similar results.
I have shot 2 deers through the heart , dead in its tracks 80 yards, and 124 yards using sabot slugs 3” 375 grain . They’re deadly and worth every penny spent on . Try different shells to find the right one which your gun shoots accurately. Yes it could get expensive at the range, but you won’t regret it when you have to take a deer out to pass 100 yards.
I have the same Remington 870 with the smoothbore and rifled deer barrel. For years I have wanted to get a 18.5" smoothbore barrel to use with the rifled slugs. I've seen a few of these videos that have very similar results to stay with the 2 originial barrels, possibly getting a rifled choke tube. I also have an Ithaca Deer Slayer 12 gauge that shoots and groups cheap Remington Slugger shells well.
Been watching these videos. I won an 870 in a raffle with a bird barrel and a rifled barrel. I am really partial to my dads old Browning humpback with a 28 inch barrel modified choke. That thing shoots 3 inch groups at 50 yds with rifled slugs. I was excited about the rifled barrel for the 870. Watching these videos now not so much
After losing 2 deer while using the smoothbore the 870 came with I finally bought a rifled barrel helped me so much got my deer right through the heart.i shoot slugs about a foot low with the smooth barrel
My dad and cousin worked out a deal and I ended up with an 870 with a rifled barrel and I gotta use some sabot slugs, today we sighted it in and I hit a small metal target twice at 100 yards with iron sights, now before anyone rips into me I know it’s not crazy impressive but it felt good that I shot twice, hit twice and we were on our way, especially with how expensive shells are
I used rifled slugs for years, if it's what you're comfortable with absolutely use it. Switched to sabots 3 years ago open sights for the first 2 and managed a 75 yard shot (gut and I felt horrible, but that happens) and a 40 (killzone in the chest) with 2 3/4 remington copper core sabots. Adding a scope made a big difference for me this year, 110 yard sabot shot with the new winchester 3inch mag sabots, perfectly in the killzone. All the distances where confirmed using a laser range finder, but at the end of the day would love to be lawfully allowed to use a rifle (not a 450 bushmaster or 350 legend)and keep the shotty for bird and clay shooting. Good video man.
Blitz thanks man! Yes, not a fan of these rifle sights. I’ve seen scoped shots with great accuracy but I’m to stubborn to buy a scope. I’ve never had one (besides a red dot on my ar)
I would recommend a muzzleloader over a slug gun when shooting at live animals, my cva accura will honestly shoot as well as my .308 out to 100 yards, 5 shots just one slightly enlarged hole. my shotguns with slugs are lucky to get 3-4" groups at 100... everythings off a bench when checking for accuracy.
I think your 100 yard groups would be tighter with a scope. I'm late here, but the 870 and Mossberg 500 both are not drilled and tapped for sights on the receiver. My Mossbarg 930 semi-auto is. From the pictures of the new models, it looks like the Remington V3 might be drilled and tapped. On my 870 20 gauge Skeet Gun ( old, old model) I mounted a scope with a mount that sits only on the left side of the receiver. Snugging that down until it's "just" tight still pinches the receiver and affects cycling the action, so I would recommend only using scope mounts that straddle the receiver, and replace the nuts with nylock nuts. Always test your sights at the range. Lining up the two beads on the ventilated rib on my skeet gun on the bullseye would put my pattern about 13" to the left at 100 yards.
@@rushrider800 I know a few hunters that use copper solids with they're 870's. My Remington 1100 LT20 gauge doesn't like them. Lightfeild hybrid sabot was my go to. Company stopped making lethal ammunition. So now I'm looking for the best compatible sabot.
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I only bought Hi-Viz Thombuster II sight for my 870 smooth bore 28 inc full length by Remington Slugger I had a similar group like yours. Pretty consistently. We tried my friend's one with a rifled barrel. We figured out the only thing you can win is a more compact size what is good for hunting from a ground blind or handle in a wild boar driven hunt. And for a mire handy gun, I don't think it would worth the money for hunting. I even don't go for a shorter barrel for home defense but a magazine extension instead. That way I have a pretty long gun yeah for sure but 10 round capacity is Hell of firepower with a 12 gauge not to mention how easy to mount white light on the magazine extension.
I think for sabot slugs with a full rifled barrel and a scope is the best combination cause you can adjust the cross hairs to where you need it I myself have three remington's shotguns all 870 pump 28 inch barrel for bird and clays full choke and 18 inch smooth barrel home defense a 24 inch fully rifled barrel with a scope and at 100 yards get groups about the size of my fist shooting hornady american whitetail slugs 325 grain 12 gauge 2 3/4 that's just from my experience great video 👍 and good luck out there hunting deer I also us shotgun with slugs to hunt deer and pig out here in Texas in public land
I'm a profound proponent of this three gun set: a 22LR handgun, a shotgun with a smooth bore n a scoped rifled barrel. Oh, that's only 2-1/2 guns though. I never was good at math. That collection with cover any situation inside of 200yd. Farther away? Hunt closer, hunting isn't supposed to be easy. If it's a threat, it's far enough to hide or escape from.
The weight difference between the 870 and the 500 makes a difference when carrying a long ways and quick target acquisition. as far as the safety “click” issue goes… my Mossberg is virtually silent at all times…
I have a Mossberg 535 with rifled barrel an it shoot 100 yards with ease with accuracy an I use the Remington 3” accu tip 1900FPS 385grain an no problems with 100yard accuracy
i would like to have seen the difference between the sabot and rifled slugs, both through 24” barrels. i feel like the rifled slugs were at an advantage with the 4” longer barrel.
i use a red dot on my rifled barrel and my shot groups and distance improved. Old eyes cant use the iron sites like i used to....plus the red dot stays on for the smooth bore for turkey season.
You only tested 1 mfg. Where are the Lightfield, Hornady, Remington, Winchester slugs. My slug gun holds a 2-3” group at 100 yds. You didn’t even finish sighting in to center up your slugs. It was nice windage shooting at 100 yds though. I would love to see this test redone and expanded. You may find each barrel prefers a particular slug. Best to you for this coming season.
I have a Mossberg bolt action with rifled barrel that shoots groups so tight they take out the bullseye of the target with sabot slugs and a scope at fifty yards. Because the woods are so thick here you normally don’t get shots beyond thirty yards and is better than a rifle in brush. It is my deer gun of choice unless field hunting with potential long shots and no brush. Good video, not sure why the groups were not tighter with the sabots, could be the ammo. Darn good shooting with the rifled slugs, very impressive grouping.
The 870 Express magnum I use with a 28in barrel with a patternmaster chock tube I get a great pattern with 3in 00buck in federal premium 15pellet copper plated without flight control but wasn't impressed with a rifled barrel beyond 50yds what I'm getting with buckshot the same distance but get superior accuracy with a H&R 980 ultra slug with sabots out to 100 and 200yds with its 24in heavy barrel.
I know this video is old, but I want to thank you for it, everyone should own this firearm. Great, legendary, and very reliable. I smooth bore sabot's for the win!
My friend shoots Remington sluggers and federal truball through his rifled 870 12 gauge and gets 3” at 100 yds. He hasn’t had any issues except dead deer.
My 20 ga. 870 carrying a 22" fully rifled barrel with cantilevered scope mount is a tack driver out to 250 yds. using solid copper sabots. It is in essence a very large caliber rifle. I only use the rifled barrel for hunting. My 870 has a 7 round 1 piece factory mag. I use Foster Slugs in the stock 18.5" barrel. I only load #4 buckshot or 00 buckshot for indoor self defense. Outdoors or in my truck it is 7/8 oz. rifled slugs. 7 rounds of big bore copper bullets at 1600 fps is definitely formidable.
I use rifled slugs only mainly because we can use buckshot to hunt deer down here in Florida so no need for rifled barrels when buckshot is used a lot more than slugs
I use an 18.5" Mossberg smooth bore for my 50 yard max hunting here in Michigan. I put a cheap 3-9X40 scope on it, and group 2" with Remington Sluggers at 50 yards. I've got a lot of other deer rifles, but this really puts them down. Also it is very short and easy to use in the ground blind. I usually take neck shots. I'm too old to chase deer :) - Joe
In my experience, the 1oz sabot slug drops them where they stand 👍 Just have to be careful with the angle I shoot them at, I’ve lost a shoulder roast. Those slugs do a lot of damage. My aunt makes a mean neck roast, that’s why I aim for the heart 🇺🇸
@@pacifist_productions I like the heart too much to shoot it, so I mainly take headshots unless it is a trophy buck and even then I try to clip them at the top of the neck.
So many like organ shots. My Dad taught me about neck shots and twice that had dropped them for me. I'm not to old to track. Just haven't really learned how properly.
If you want the utmost accuracy from your slug gun, use at least a 22 or even a 24 inch rifled barrel is a must.... 18.5 inch is definitely inadequate...
Never worried about lead fouling in my scoped rifled barrel Mossberg 500. Rifled slugs shoot just fine and do the job for me at a substantially lower cost..
I have a Rem 870 shotgun with the same laminated stocks, and an 18/12 " cylinder bore barrel. The only difference is a Bushnell TRS 25 red dot that sits on a Remington saddle mount. I'm a useless shot without the red dot, but shoot fine with it. 😶
I shot a deer with 44 mag soft point ( 8" ) & 12 ga Sabot slugs . The result was the same , they ran off with a heart shot & you could not tell they were hit . 75 yds & dropped . I will never use them again . 44mag with HPs ONLY , Much Better . The damage to the deer was the same , 1 clean hole in & out .
I run with an 870 3" Magnum. I BOUGHT a rifled barrel for it. Fact of the matter is that every round has its own best use. I dont often use scatter, but there are activities in which its good, so have the choked smooth barrel standing by. I would rather hunt with solid rounds as scatter is really kind of weak per round for big game, if they hit. I want to penetrate deeply, take out critical structure Im aiming for on the way. However the rifled barrel is largely for one single slug: The Brenneke Magnum Crush. You see, I have a foldable stock on the shotgun and its most often used as a camp gun. I run the Magnum Crush for 1 1/2 oz of hard cast at 3,800 foot pounds of impact on dangerous game with a 0.71" round. Bears. Its my bear gun and that is my bear round. It stops what you throw it at. Rifled Barrels ONLY. They are stronger, and right on the box its mandatory for this ammo. If I want to hunt something other than bear or wish to use a lighter round there are still high power alternatives. Red Magic for instance at 3,000 foot pounds is a sabot. Black Magic in the same ballpark is a slug. These can be run with smooth barrels apparently. Normally Its a pistol grip camp gun loaded with Crush and Im hunting with a 30-06 at 3000 foot pounds.
What is everyone's go to for sabots for a 870 20 gauge. Just picked up a rifled barrel. I'm limited on sabots. Hornady SST, Winchester BRI, and only 8 shells of Remington accu tip.
If this is correct and I assume it is, you would be foolish to hunt with anything but the rifled slugs, they weigh more, bring more energy to the target deform more and are just plain more deadly than the sabot. I generally prefer buckshot as most of my hunting is done in very tight cover, but when I do hunt in more open areas I find very satisfactory results and I have no rear sight. Just a 30" barrel and a full choke, the same one I use for small game. Keep it simple one gun one barrel many different types of game good for deer, (buckshot and slugs) ducks, turkey, goose, bear, pheasants, coyote. Did I leave anything off the list?
Have you actually had a barrel shoot off? 4:24 or been there when It did? I would think it would cause it to be out of battery and not fire if it wasn’t on right. But I don’t really know. Just my thinking.
Just shot my Savage 212 rifled barrel with winchester super x rifled slugs...3/4" group at 60 yards. I usually hunt with copper solids but bought these for backup this year. I think they will do great out 100 yards.
For accuracy at 100 yds my Savage 212 favors the 58 cal 1oz sabots over the lighter and faster 300 gr sabots. It shoots them all well enough for hunting but the Remington Accu Tip it favors the most with 3 shots making one ragged hole. Hornady SST it favors the least with 1.25" group at 100 yards.
@@StacyHagerty yes I agree my Savage 212 loves heavier slower slugs. Not saying the lighter faster ones are terrible in it but I notice a difference. Cleaning was worse with rifled slugs I would clean probably every chance you can. But shooting at 3 to 5 times in the field before cleaning would be fine. I would shoot about five rounds and then clean it while target shooting. It is dirtier but the lead in a good brass brush or borer snake cleans in a few pulls.
@@derekbeyers8804 OK great, I haven't tried rifled slugs. Was worried the barrel leading would be terrible to deal with. Have heard from others too that they group better out of a rifled barrel.
Rifling on slugs may be the opposite than barrels. Lands on slugs are 4 smooth barrels. Sabots are meant 4 rifled barrels. Cost me big once back in the day. Or at least it's my excuse!
I’m upstate New York too man. I use mossy 500 20 gauge with smoothbore barrel and rifled slugs and I go out to like 100 yards no problem. Great for deer. Rifled barrel isn’t really super worth it imo.
You should try the new Russian cast slug molds offered by the Reloaders Network. In a fully rifled barrel, they shoot very accurately and are very inexpensive to make. They also shoot well out of a smooth bore. The Frag version is frighteningly powerful.
John here I shoot slugs ever year rifle slugs are the best buy the scope 870 barrel has 1.24 twist but simmon.s 1.5x5x32 diamond.. Barnes VT slugs 3 in or 2.3/4. Sight in at 100 yrds dead on. This will you out 150yrds easy. And at 100yrds the group will be 3 inch group. Are try different slugs as well in Sabot style. Stay with 1550 fps and 450 gr to 485 gr. Trust me on this. Your rifle sight barrel is 1.36 twist make for heater slower Sabot like the old 450 gr Winchester Sabot. And easy shoot 140 yrds.
There is no 'y' in sabot. If you are French you call it Sa'bo with no 't' as they have a silent t. Normal people call it sabot pronounced 'sabbit, rhymes with rabbit. If the army people call it a say-bow then they are wrong and of course stupid. When did army generals ever know anything. They have to get their mammas back to wipe their useless fat asses.
I accidentally bought a box of sabot slugs instead of rifled for my smooth bore shotgun and I was wandering if I could still get decent accuracy out of it?
No, the smoothbore won't impart any spin on the round as it goes through the barrel. You can shoot it, but accuracy will be poor, and the slug will likely tumble.
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If you're poor you don't have a lot of money the one weapon you should buy is a shotgun you could kill anything from a squirrel to a moose with a shotgun.
I have literally killed a bear with my 870 fully rifled barrel with sabot slugs. They are 100% worth the money on very large game...
From an old tanker, it's "SAY BO". The "t" is silent. Great video, answered a lot of questions I had....
Absolutely love shotguns. Soo versatile in the home and woods. Thanks for sharing those ballistics results. Keep em coming
Your presentation is perfect, just enough chatter and quick to the results.
Thank you sir
@@pacifist_productionsMy pleasure. I was toting an H&R 12g slug gun for a few years, rifled barrel, it worked those Hornady sabots like a dialed in rifle. An amazing blind or stand gun, but heavy as a dickens.
My father gifted me a Sxs 16g. Once I figured out the right load for the Lyman style slugs I cast for it, the beast is mine up to 75yds.
The 75yd limit is imposed upon me due to eyesight limitations and open sights.
I picked up an 870 last year from one of the fellows in my group. Such an adaptable firearm for very little money extra.
You can pack a pump with extra barrels in your pack and be ready for just about anything.
I prefer the balance of a SxS and the broad reference plain it provides. Do you find the pump and semis tend to be top heavy? Especially with magazine limitations, 2 in the tube and 1 in the chamber around here.
Anyways. Take care and stay well.
Great vid man, I was looking for a video with even comparison and I could not find one until this one, great video
So many linguists on this thread! Thanks for the helpful video. There are so many varia les that come into play. Barrel length is a big one in my opinion. Copper vs lead, scope vs iron, choke vs no choke, not to mention all the different brands of ammo. The point is to test and find the right combo.
I saw a guy on youtube improve that 24 inch smooth barrel quite a bit with rifled slugs through a rifled choke, went from a 3.5 inch pattern at 50y to a 1.5 inch pattern
Thank you for helping us. Excellent test.
My H&R has been the best slug gun I've ever used....and my buddies agree, and so do their dad's. That says alot.
Good video. I like how you explained why you picked this over the Mossberg and how you showed changing the barrel in addition to all of the different loads, barrel, and targets you shot at.
Squiblift thanks man!
@@pacifist_productions I am not very knowledgeable on shotguns. This video was helpful to me.
Thanks for the video, very insightful!
Really well put together mate, enjoying the different camera shots there! Very effective! Nice!
The Silvar Hunters thank you sir!
@@pacifist_productions Russian Poleva slug, or it's reproductions, should get the job done. The catch is, those slugs are designed for shooting trough smoothbore barrel as shotguns in Europe are not rifled.
Say-bow that's the way the Army said it while I was in.
Not the first thing the Army ever got wrong.
@@wdtaut5650 Nor will it be the last thing the army gets wrong. How is it pronounced?
@@timothyprice9064 Sabot is pronounced exactly a the same as the first two syllables in "sabotage". Sa-bow ('sa' as in 'apple'.
@@wdtaut5650 who gives a shit?
I had both 12 and 20 ga Remington 870's with rifled barrels and open sights. I tested (at great expense) every sabot slug known to man and found the Lightfield was hands-down the best in both guns. I eventually sold off the 12 and now hunt exclusively with the 20. It's become my favorite deer gun as it's light and easy to carry, dependable, and kills deer just as good as any 12 I've ever used. I employ a shooting stick, and with a good rest and comfortable stance, I don't even think twice at shooting standing deer at 100 yards. The farthest deer I've shot with that combination was 147 measured yards. Unfortunately, Lightfield no longer produces ammunition and I only have a few boxes left. Makes me sad!
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Make em count homie. 😉
My 12 g 870 with a Hastings rifled barrel just loves lightfields
My 870 with the 24" rifled bbl LOVES those Federal sabots. My Mossberg 500 with a smooth bbl loves Fiocchi Exacta Aero Slugs.
My old Mossberg 500 with sabot slugs prints clover leaves at 50 yards with open sights on a rifled barrel. It has never failed me.
Great info. I'm always trying to see how far I can reach out with different shotguns & various loads. It's like an addiction 🤣. Thanks for the video, good stuff 👍
I have an 870 w/slug barrel, but my deer gun is a Mossberg 500 w/24" rifled barrel with cantilever scope mount. I set up an identical gun for my son-in-law. We use only Hornady SST sabot slugs w/scopes zeroed @ 125 yards. 3" groups are common. 1st time out my SIL got a 1 shot kill on a doe - heart shot @ 157 yards. He's shot several others from 50 yards to 175. My experience differs 'cuz of my hunting site. Mine have all been 7 to 15 yards. The SST sabots are expensive, but very reliable. I also have a scoped Savage bolt gun w/24" rifled barrel that gives similar results.
I have shot 2 deers through the heart , dead in its tracks 80 yards, and 124 yards using sabot slugs 3” 375 grain . They’re deadly and worth every penny spent on . Try different shells to find the right one which your gun shoots accurately. Yes it could get expensive at the range, but you won’t regret it when you have to take a deer out to pass 100 yards.
I have the same Remington 870 with the smoothbore and rifled deer barrel. For years I have wanted to get a 18.5" smoothbore barrel to use with the rifled slugs. I've seen a few of these videos that have very similar results to stay with the 2 originial barrels, possibly getting a rifled choke tube. I also have an Ithaca Deer Slayer 12 gauge that shoots and groups cheap Remington Slugger shells well.
Been watching these videos. I won an 870 in a raffle with a bird barrel and a rifled barrel. I am really partial to my dads old Browning humpback with a 28 inch barrel modified choke. That thing shoots 3 inch groups at 50 yds with rifled slugs. I was excited about the rifled barrel for the 870. Watching these videos now not so much
After losing 2 deer while using the smoothbore the 870 came with I finally bought a rifled barrel helped me so much got my deer right through the heart.i shoot slugs about a foot low with the smooth barrel
I had this too with my stupid smoothbore mossberg slugger
At 30 yards i've to shoot 2 feet low
My dad and cousin worked out a deal and I ended up with an 870 with a rifled barrel and I gotta use some sabot slugs, today we sighted it in and I hit a small metal target twice at 100 yards with iron sights, now before anyone rips into me I know it’s not crazy impressive but it felt good that I shot twice, hit twice and we were on our way, especially with how expensive shells are
Good video. This helps me build a strong case to stick with my 7mm mag for deer hunting. Thanks.
I wonder how much better the 28" barrel does. I'd like a scope. This was great to help the information.
Them old 870 were good shotguns. I have an old Mossberg 500. I never used rifling but hunted with buckshot. Good deer guns ,,,
I used rifled slugs for years, if it's what you're comfortable with absolutely use it. Switched to sabots 3 years ago open sights for the first 2 and managed a 75 yard shot (gut and I felt horrible, but that happens) and a 40 (killzone in the chest) with 2 3/4 remington copper core sabots. Adding a scope made a big difference for me this year, 110 yard sabot shot with the new winchester 3inch mag sabots, perfectly in the killzone. All the distances where confirmed using a laser range finder, but at the end of the day would love to be lawfully allowed to use a rifle (not a 450 bushmaster or 350 legend)and keep the shotty for bird and clay shooting. Good video man.
Blitz thanks man! Yes, not a fan of these rifle sights. I’ve seen scoped shots with great accuracy but I’m to stubborn to buy a scope. I’ve never had one (besides a red dot on my ar)
I would recommend a muzzleloader over a slug gun when shooting at live animals, my cva accura will honestly shoot as well as my .308 out to 100 yards, 5 shots just one slightly enlarged hole. my shotguns with slugs are lucky to get 3-4" groups at 100... everythings off a bench when checking for accuracy.
Good video. Thank you
Great video... Thank you.
I think your 100 yard groups would be tighter with a scope. I'm late here, but the 870 and Mossberg 500 both are not drilled and tapped for sights on the receiver. My Mossbarg 930 semi-auto is. From the pictures of the new models, it looks like the Remington V3 might be drilled and tapped. On my 870 20 gauge Skeet Gun ( old, old model) I mounted a scope with a mount that sits only on the left side of the receiver. Snugging that down until it's "just" tight still pinches the receiver and affects cycling the action, so I would recommend only using scope mounts that straddle the receiver, and replace the nuts with nylock nuts. Always test your sights at the range. Lining up the two beads on the ventilated rib on my skeet gun on the bullseye would put my pattern about 13" to the left at 100 yards.
Got a MossBerg Mav 88. (24 inches Smooth bore) .Eats everything and give me good results and groups from 25 to 100m.... I love it!
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I've got a scope on my 870, grouping is tight at 100 yards, using the sabot's
Yeap the Barnes VT are killers and the old Federal Barnes Expanders 450 gr
I use the copper solids from remington
@@rushrider800 I know a few hunters that use copper solids with they're 870's.
My Remington 1100 LT20 gauge doesn't like them. Lightfeild hybrid sabot was my go to. Company stopped making lethal ammunition. So now I'm looking for the best compatible sabot.
I only bought Hi-Viz Thombuster II sight for my 870 smooth bore 28 inc full length by Remington Slugger I had a similar group like yours. Pretty consistently. We tried my friend's one with a rifled barrel. We figured out the only thing you can win is a more compact size what is good for hunting from a ground blind or handle in a wild boar driven hunt. And for a mire handy gun, I don't think it would worth the money for hunting. I even don't go for a shorter barrel for home defense but a magazine extension instead. That way I have a pretty long gun yeah for sure but 10 round capacity is Hell of firepower with a 12 gauge not to mention how easy to mount white light on the magazine extension.
nice job bro, great video
Jason Stewart thank you!!
I think for sabot slugs with a full rifled barrel and a scope is the best combination cause you can adjust the cross hairs to where you need it I myself have three remington's shotguns all 870 pump 28 inch barrel for bird and clays full choke and 18 inch smooth barrel home defense a 24 inch fully rifled barrel with a scope and at 100 yards get groups about the size of my fist shooting hornady american whitetail slugs 325 grain 12 gauge 2 3/4 that's just from my experience great video 👍 and good luck out there hunting deer I also us shotgun with slugs to hunt deer and pig out here in Texas in public land
I'm a profound proponent of this three gun set: a 22LR handgun, a shotgun with a smooth bore n a scoped rifled barrel. Oh, that's only 2-1/2 guns though. I never was good at math. That collection with cover any situation inside of 200yd. Farther away? Hunt closer, hunting isn't supposed to be easy. If it's a threat, it's far enough to hide or escape from.
The weight difference between the 870 and the 500 makes a difference when carrying a long ways and quick target acquisition.
as far as the safety “click” issue goes… my Mossberg is virtually silent at all times…
I have a Mossberg 535 with rifled barrel an it shoot 100 yards with ease with accuracy an I use the Remington 3” accu tip 1900FPS 385grain an no problems with 100yard accuracy
i would like to have seen the difference between the sabot and rifled slugs, both through 24” barrels. i feel like the rifled slugs were at an advantage with the 4” longer barrel.
i use a red dot on my rifled barrel and my shot groups and distance improved. Old eyes cant use the iron sites like i used to....plus the red dot stays on for the smooth bore for turkey season.
I love my hastings rifled barrel. Shoots sabots fantastic. It's 24 inch
Slugs of any type are what a rifled barrel is made for
go shoot noting but rifled slugs out your rifled barrel and see what happens
Correctly calculated Kentucky windage= being familiar with your firearm..lol.nice video
That first shot on the right target you were trying to figure out, hit the knot about 8" off the lower right corner at 5:34.
This influencer is superb
You only tested 1 mfg. Where are the Lightfield, Hornady, Remington, Winchester slugs. My slug gun holds a 2-3” group at 100 yds. You didn’t even finish sighting in to center up your slugs. It was nice windage shooting at 100 yds though. I would love to see this test redone and expanded. You may find each barrel prefers a particular slug. Best to you for this coming season.
Thanks Dan, I do plan on redoing this test. TFW brother
Who doesn't like an extra 4 inches? Ha-HA! I see what you did there sir!
That’s what she said
I have a Mossberg bolt action with rifled barrel that shoots groups so tight they take out the bullseye of the target with sabot slugs and a scope at fifty yards. Because the woods are so thick here you normally don’t get shots beyond thirty yards and is better than a rifle in brush. It is my deer gun of choice unless field hunting with potential long shots and no brush. Good video, not sure why the groups were not tighter with the sabots, could be the ammo. Darn good shooting with the rifled slugs, very impressive grouping.
hi, i want to buy 870 with rifled barrel, will i be able to use regular ammo like smooth barrels?
To me rifled barrel and Sabot Slugs are worth it to me. I used a smoothbore for many years.
Good shooting tex! That's hard to do with a rifle.
I love my 870. Five other shotties but I keep that. Manual cycle is unbreakable.
also, with a super mag reciever, u can shoot 3 1/2” ammo with the proper barrel. 👍🏼
Great video, can you do a scope on the sabot with rifled barrel?
My 870 and Mossberg 930 both have cylinder bores so I can shoot anytime I get my hands on in 12ga
At 6:08 the shot hits just below the bottom right hand corner. Look just below the end of the black where it meets the yellow, but on the wood
King Pin 😂 Thanks
And the 2nd one hits up and to the left a hair
The 870 Express magnum I use with a 28in barrel with a patternmaster chock tube I get a great pattern with 3in 00buck in federal premium 15pellet copper plated without flight control but wasn't impressed with a rifled barrel beyond 50yds what I'm getting with buckshot the same distance but get superior accuracy with a H&R 980 ultra slug with sabots out to 100 and 200yds with its 24in heavy barrel.
I know this video is old, but I want to thank you for it, everyone should own this firearm. Great, legendary, and very reliable. I smooth bore sabot's for the win!
Thank you brother! I agree ☝️ TFW
I shoot rifled slugs out of my rifled barrel They are more accurate than the sabo slugs in my gun and I put them out there it’s cited in for 100 yards
My friend shoots Remington sluggers and federal truball through his rifled 870 12 gauge and gets 3” at 100 yds. He hasn’t had any issues except dead deer.
Do you ever get any fouling in the barrels? Or how often do you clean them?
I clean it once a year. I don't really shoot slug gun for deer. I mostly hunt in rifled areas
My 20 ga. 870 carrying a 22" fully rifled barrel with cantilevered scope mount is a tack driver out to 250 yds. using solid copper sabots. It is in essence a very large caliber rifle. I only use the rifled barrel for hunting. My 870 has a 7 round 1 piece factory mag. I use Foster Slugs in the stock 18.5" barrel. I only load #4 buckshot or 00 buckshot for indoor self defense. Outdoors or in my truck it is 7/8 oz. rifled slugs. 7 rounds of big bore copper bullets at 1600 fps is definitely formidable.
Yeah it's crazy how much more accurate 20 gauge slugs are.
250yards??? Please stop
I use rifled slugs only mainly because we can use buckshot to hunt deer down here in Florida so no need for rifled barrels when buckshot is used a lot more than slugs
I'm glad you gotta home defense arsenal built up because Ima break into your house and steal that couch.
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What happens, besides loss of accuracy, will happen if you shoot these shells out of a smooth bore?
Cheap isn't always less. Thx for the vid
BTW, super mag - isn't that a 12/89 - 3½ in.?
I use an 18.5" Mossberg smooth bore for my 50 yard max hunting here in Michigan. I put a cheap 3-9X40 scope on it, and group 2" with Remington Sluggers at 50 yards. I've got a lot of other deer rifles, but this really puts them down. Also it is very short and easy to use in the ground blind. I usually take neck shots. I'm too old to chase deer :)
- Joe
In my experience, the 1oz sabot slug drops them where they stand 👍 Just have to be careful with the angle I shoot them at, I’ve lost a shoulder roast. Those slugs do a lot of damage. My aunt makes a mean neck roast, that’s why I aim for the heart 🇺🇸
@@pacifist_productions I like the heart too much to shoot it, so I mainly take headshots unless it is a trophy buck and even then I try to clip them at the top of the neck.
So many like organ shots. My Dad taught me about neck shots and twice that had dropped them for me. I'm not to old to track. Just haven't really learned how properly.
Funny! Good Video.
If you want the utmost accuracy from your slug gun, use at least a 22 or even a 24 inch rifled barrel is a must.... 18.5 inch is definitely inadequate...
I'm curious to see how accurate a sabot is through a smooth bore..
I thought the sabot would shoot better in the rifled barrel. Maybe try a rifled choke tube on the smooth bore barrel.
If you buy a Savage bolt specialized gun most definitely but combos won’t shoot for crap past 75-100 yards
Never worried about lead fouling in my scoped rifled barrel Mossberg 500. Rifled slugs shoot just fine and do the job for me at a substantially lower cost..
The second shot hit to the right
Look at the wood by the bottom right of the far right target... that's where your miss hit.
You can get pretty good accuracy with rifled chokes, and they are much cheaper than a rifled barrel.
I have a Rem 870 shotgun with the same laminated stocks, and an 18/12 " cylinder bore barrel. The only difference is a Bushnell TRS 25 red dot that sits on a Remington saddle mount. I'm a useless shot without the red dot, but shoot fine with it. 😶
I shot a deer with 44 mag soft point ( 8" ) & 12 ga Sabot slugs . The result was the same , they ran off with a heart shot & you could not tell they were hit . 75 yds & dropped . I will never use them again . 44mag with HPs ONLY , Much Better . The damage to the deer was the same , 1 clean hole in & out .
I run with an 870 3" Magnum. I BOUGHT a rifled barrel for it. Fact of the matter is that every round has its own best use. I dont often use scatter, but there are activities in which its good, so have the choked smooth barrel standing by. I would rather hunt with solid rounds as scatter is really kind of weak per round for big game, if they hit. I want to penetrate deeply, take out critical structure Im aiming for on the way. However the rifled barrel is largely for one single slug: The Brenneke Magnum Crush.
You see, I have a foldable stock on the shotgun and its most often used as a camp gun. I run the Magnum Crush for 1 1/2 oz of hard cast at 3,800 foot pounds of impact on dangerous game with a 0.71" round. Bears. Its my bear gun and that is my bear round. It stops what you throw it at. Rifled Barrels ONLY. They are stronger, and right on the box its mandatory for this ammo.
If I want to hunt something other than bear or wish to use a lighter round there are still high power alternatives. Red Magic for instance at 3,000 foot pounds is a sabot. Black Magic in the same ballpark is a slug. These can be run with smooth barrels apparently. Normally Its a pistol grip camp gun loaded with Crush and Im hunting with a 30-06 at 3000 foot pounds.
What is everyone's go to for sabots for a 870 20 gauge. Just picked up a rifled barrel. I'm limited on sabots. Hornady SST, Winchester BRI, and only 8 shells of Remington accu tip.
Mossberg 88 Rifled barrel 3 inch
Is with every Penny for deep woods
My brush rifle branch breaker.
If this is correct and I assume it is, you would be foolish to hunt with anything but the rifled slugs, they weigh more, bring more energy to the target deform more and are just plain more deadly than the sabot. I generally prefer buckshot as most of my hunting is done in very tight cover, but when I do hunt in more open areas I find very satisfactory results and I have no rear sight. Just a 30" barrel and a full choke, the same one I use for small game. Keep it simple one gun one barrel many different types of game good for deer, (buckshot and slugs) ducks, turkey, goose, bear, pheasants, coyote. Did I leave anything off the list?
Have you actually had a barrel shoot off? 4:24 or been there when It did? I would think it would cause it to be out of battery and not fire if it wasn’t on right. But I don’t really know. Just my thinking.
I've been looking for a smooth bore with rifle sights for my Rem 870 and they are nowhere to be found. Sucks.
Just shot my Savage 212 rifled barrel with winchester super x rifled slugs...3/4" group at 60 yards. I usually hunt with copper solids but bought these for backup this year. I think they will do great out 100 yards.
How was it when came time to clean the barre?
For accuracy at 100 yds my Savage 212 favors the 58 cal 1oz sabots over the lighter and faster 300 gr sabots. It shoots them all well enough for hunting but the Remington Accu Tip it favors the most with 3 shots making one ragged hole. Hornady SST it favors the least with 1.25" group at 100 yards.
@@StacyHagerty yes I agree my Savage 212 loves heavier slower slugs. Not saying the lighter faster ones are terrible in it but I notice a difference.
Cleaning was worse with rifled slugs I would clean probably every chance you can. But shooting at 3 to 5 times in the field before cleaning would be fine. I would shoot about five rounds and then clean it while target shooting. It is dirtier but the lead in a good brass brush or borer snake cleans in a few pulls.
@@derekbeyers8804 OK great, I haven't tried rifled slugs. Was worried the barrel leading would be terrible to deal with. Have heard from others too that they group better out of a rifled barrel.
My tang safety on all my Mossberg make no noise
First test was at 50 yds.?
Say Bo, (sabot) - T is silent as in Chevrolet…
One thing… the holes the rifled slugs make are twice as large in diameter. Might want that if you love carnage.
Rifling on slugs may be the opposite than barrels. Lands on slugs are 4 smooth barrels. Sabots are meant 4 rifled barrels. Cost me big once back in the day. Or at least it's my excuse!
I own a 3" magnum 870, and yours looks like a 3 1/2 " magnum. YOUR receiver ejection port looks much longer than mine!
You can do the something with a tank safety
I’m upstate New York too man. I use mossy 500 20 gauge with smoothbore barrel and rifled slugs and I go out to like 100 yards no problem. Great for deer. Rifled barrel isn’t really super worth it imo.
Try a rifled barrel with 100% copper slugs, which is supposed to be good to 150 yards and a 4 inch group or less.
Need a scope with the sabots
Did you run a choke with the 00 buckshot? I'm assuming you just pull the choke out when firing a slug?
No choke. TFW
You shot the bored down to the right you. Can see the hole from the slug appear.
You should try the new Russian cast slug molds offered by the Reloaders Network. In a fully rifled barrel, they shoot very accurately and are very inexpensive to make. They also shoot well out of a smooth bore.
The Frag version is frighteningly powerful.
John here I shoot slugs ever year rifle slugs are the best buy the scope 870 barrel has 1.24 twist but simmon.s 1.5x5x32 diamond.. Barnes VT slugs 3 in or 2.3/4. Sight in at 100 yrds dead on. This will you out 150yrds easy. And at 100yrds the group will be 3 inch group. Are try different slugs as well in Sabot style. Stay with 1550 fps and 450 gr to 485 gr. Trust me on this. Your rifle sight barrel is 1.36 twist make for heater slower Sabot like the old 450 gr Winchester Sabot. And easy shoot 140 yrds.
"SAY-BOW"
The only reason why you funny guys like to say it your way is because it sounds like "savage"!
You silly "savage"!
There is no 'y' in sabot. If you are French you call it Sa'bo with no 't' as they have a silent t. Normal people call it sabot pronounced 'sabbit, rhymes with rabbit. If the army people call it a say-bow then they are wrong and of course stupid. When did army generals ever know anything. They have to get their mammas back to wipe their useless fat asses.
It is pronounced the same as the first two syllables of the word "sabotage".
It is nothing like savage. Or as the generals might say Svvv-aggge. Are they tryibg to sabow-targe us?
I accidentally bought a box of sabot slugs instead of rifled for my smooth bore shotgun and I was wandering if I could still get decent accuracy out of it?
That’s a good question, I don’t think you would. You’d have a jacketed slug going down a smooth bore.
No, the smoothbore won't impart any spin on the round as it goes through the barrel. You can shoot it, but accuracy will be poor, and the slug will likely tumble.
Mine is not a super mag and will still shot 3" says right on it, the super mag will accept 3.5"
I guess the choke doesnt matter?