Stuff You Should Know About Buckshot [Part 1]
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- This is everything (at least the first half of everything) you should and would ever want to know about using buckshot in a home-defense shotgun. In this two part series, we're covering topics from the absolute basics to some of the more obscure aspects of buckshot.
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missed opportunity. could've been titled "what you ought to know about buckshot"
I double that
That's good.
@@theimmortal4718 double ought that
Missed opportunity indeed, so sad.
In fact, I triple ought that.
He's wearing a coat, and Paul Harrell wears a coat, so I listen.
N Johnson
This guy is no Paul Harrell.
ROTFLMAO...
He gives far better advice than Paul.
@@dontfallyoumighthurtyourse4694 Oh Yea! Well, my dad can beat up your dad! ;-)
@@PJS50 My dads dead.
Bruh, what a hero. Dude creates a whole 12:44 video (and even a part 2) but still tell you what's up in the first minute to save people time.
You have earned my 👍🏻 and even my remaining 25:48 for this and part 2.
“Go buy it from lucky gunner because my kids gonna need braces soon” well he’ll have braces now that your whole inventory got cleared out lmfao
Tokahontas “Sorry, son, we’re going to have to melt your braces down for ammo. That stuff is getting scarce.”
LoL
I like his humorous honestly.
Years ago when i was still in LE (10-man local PD in NorCal), i tested Flite Cintrol, Hornady TAP, and the standard Winchester 00 that we were carrying, in my personal 20" 870 with an IC choke tube and a dept 870 with open choke. 2 of the 3 ammo types were at my own expense. Long story short, Flite Control is excellent stuff. It extended the usable range of buckshot to 25 and possibly 30 yards. Out of open bored shotguns, the Winchester stuff was already getting dicey at 15 yds. In my IC choke, it was ok at 15 yds and getting marginal past 20. The TAP was good too, but not as stark as the Flite Control. I already knew that my IC choke tube gave pretty good patterns and very good slug accuracy (rifle sights on my barrel). So we switched to Flite Control right away. For a few years, the mandated load had been 1 slug and 3 buck, also at my suggestion, which i had been doing for many years. We had extras of each type readily available. Slugs generally do not overpenetrate as much as many people believe, and usually break into 3 large pieces, which also helps. The low recoil reduced velocity slugs actually tend to penetrate more due to less expansion. So test your slugs carefully. Anyway, that is my 2 cents. I agree that plated shot often throws better patterns. It is harder and thus stays rounder and does not deform as much upon firing. My house load is #4 buck due to my living situation. When i have more space, i will likely switch back to 00, or very probably #1. STAY SAFE!
Makes sense to have slugs stowed if all you have is a shotgun and no rifle but slugs are a bad defense option compared to keeping a type of buckshot loaded in the tube
Great start to the series. My oldest just got braces. Makes me cry knowing she has $4000 worth of guns in her mouth.
Been there twice brudda :(
Are straight teeth worth that?! You can almost get an laugo alien for that price...
Wear retainer after braces finish for life or pay for it twice
You got out cheap try 5300 worth 3 weeks ago. 🙁
@@ChrisLoew seriously.
Lucky gunner and Paul Harrell are my collegiate level RUclips professors!
And then ya got Clint Smith as the Dean. XD
The trifecta of perfect education right there!
I might add GunSam_RevolverAfficianado; his results are worthy of at least undergraduate study.
Bryan Kleckner did a series of videos for the National Shooting Sports Foundation in 2012 that are very educational, some with over a million views now. Also Rex Tibor's Sniper 101 videos on his TiborasaurusRex channel are very good. Paul is tops.
SirWill Wells Clint is one rough character. My favourite part about his is his complete lack of giving a bag of dog $H1T what you think of him. He promotes Mossberg but hey it’s a good gun/company and I’ve heard him say other companies can and often do the same job and even better. Just not better enough to matter.
Fun fact. When Paul Harrell shoots a .22 he leaves .45 holes on the target.
LOL "He looks like he might even be a vegetarian."
I kind of suspected that. I bet his shotgun shells are loaded with brussel sprouts.
That guy that did video about why a .45apc is a real Amurican round, now I'd trust what he tells about shooting bad guys with a rotary cannon shotgun.
It's an old Indian word that means "Lousy Hunter".
If he isnt a Veegan, I bet he is Bi-Veegan...
Even worse.
Hw eats kale on his steak.. ugh. 😒
Strong beard
Hadn't occurred to me; but he's got a strangely vegan look to him, doesn't he?
Love this guys humility, rare in this day and age.
You can trust that!
pfff i know way more than this guy. i know more than you. i know more than anyone on youtube and the internets
He looks like a vegetarian. 😂
Great video. I understand everyone's concern with slugs, lot of penetration. The reason I have slugs after 3 rounds of 00 Buckshot in my home defense pump shotgun is because if I have to rack a 4th round....clearly I am in deep doo doo and need something different!
An aside on shot pattern: I don't recall where I heard this, but "every bullet that leaves your barrel has a lawyer attached to it."
Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch
Unless you are an illegal or a Professional Criminal, the man that killed Kate Steinlehas had charged with possession of a gun by a FELON DISMISSED!! WALKS the streets FREE Democrats like illegals more than American citizens.
Joe Young lol, calm down.
*lawsuit
@@joeyoung4121 where does it say in Constitution felon's can't posses firearms? Shall ( absolute) not be infringed.
I live in an apartment and I hate my neighbors. I am looking for an over penetrating round. Also, if the round could go vertical that would be great.
I have a neighbor who plays drums. I use .308 for home defense.
@@mountainhobo I laughed more at this then I should have. 😂
😂
Just squirt fish oil under their door.
consciouscool .. I like it! I’ve heard of another proven method: Save your urine in a gallon jug and pour it all over their door...it is said to work especially well on wooden doors/thresholds. Also, I’m told cat urine is even more effective, but of course much, much more difficult to obtain. Optimum would be a combination of utilizing the fish oil first followed by the application of urine.
Don't care what you do or don't eat, this is one of the best researched and presented firearms channels on the web.
Amen to that!
@Otium Borealis um...yeah
Agreed!
Kentucky ballistics.
Years ago the US Army developed a formula to describe how buckshot compared with a single projectile. They determined that when a highly developed mammal is struck simultaneously with multiple projectiles that it’s nervous system reacts as though it was hit with the square of the number of pellets. That answers the question I had about why small game hit with a few little pellets reacted as opposed to a rifle cartridge with a single higher energy projectile.
the square or the square root?
You have been the most helpful vegetarian on RUclips to me. You explain things in a very clear, easy manner where anyone can understand. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
LOL! You had me wondering! 🤣
And done without the drama, clown show or long repetitive intro.
"Stay out of my home and you won't be on the receiving end of #00 buckshot". - saved 12 min right there.
Federal with flight conntrol wad is good for breaking and entering deer too.
I'm 70 and I grew up on a Farm and the Family had the weapons normally found on a Country Homestead. We had our .22 LR and our 30 Cal Rifles in addition to our 12 ga shotguns, both in double-barrel and pump. I love shotguns.
I enjoy someone who might be a civilian. But who uses result driven research. I'm listening.
Awsome
My 2 cents. I wish all shotgun shells we're all brass, no plastic. More shells would be picked up and recycled and that throw away plastic would be no more. Thoughts?
@@jeg5438 You can reload plastic Hulls. I do it all the time.
@@swaghauler8334 Yes, I did too. But you can only do that once. And it just seems like all those shells left laying in fields and woods would get picked up solving 2 issues. Not littering and recycling. I suppose there's a downside to it but I don't know what it is. Peace out.
"He looks like he might even be a vegetarian"
As a veggie I find that hilarious 🤣
For several years, I've watched your clear, logical, INFORMATIVE presentations. I started out ignorant & curious. Now, I still have LOTS things I wonder about & don''t KNOW. So please keep 'em coming. You & Lucky Gunner are MUCH appreciated.
Chris, you manage to pack a lot of great info into 12 minutes. I always learn something from your videos.
I'm supposed to listen to this guy, even though he never once mentioned a high tech fleece bullet stop?
@Evocati good point. But does that negate the lack of a high tech fleece bullet stop? You be the judge.
LOL
And how does a block of ballistics gel compare to a meat target? Inquiring minds gotta know!
Corey Ruth Ballistic gel is more consistent, easier to remove variables. Meat targets are fun, but not good science.
@@BrockOBauma
I bet you can find more info to add to this elsewhere.
No, not a vegetarian! Manny Mansfield would turn over in his grave!
@Lyle W: No way, Manny is alive and well. 😏😏
Oh, Manny
Well, you came
And you gave without taking
But I sent you away
Oh, Manny
Thought this was excellent. I've shot many firearms but embarrassed to say not shotguns so much. But that's what I have at my bedside. I have it loaded with Winchester Super X 00 9 pellet. Don't have a clue what the pattern is at 60 ft. That would be my maximum. But II'm going to find out.... *smile* ...Thanks.
3:57 "There's not a good reason to use anything other than 2 3/4" for self defense against humans"
Now you're freaking me out! What else do I have to defend myself against? What do you know that we don't?
Great video
Chupacabras and maybe Alaskan big game/predators if you live there.
Josh Davenport made me laugh. Thanks.
Zombies? Werewolves? Nancy Pelosi?
Undead Zombie voters.
@@jamescooper2618 aren't those actually the same thing? Or do zombies have more brains?
1:50 I really don't give a crap about people's qualifications compared to their testing and reasoning. If the provide significant evidence in a reasonable manner the logic will be self evident.
Underrated comment. I'm tired of being expected to take fuddlore seriously because the guy spitting it was MIL/LEO 5-50 years ago.
I wish I could TU this a million times. I don't care about the appeal to authority, I want to see your methodology and data. I don't need scientific rigor, but I expect at least Mythbusters-level testing.
@@bloodgain Well said!
@@eloquenthillbilly Heard. There's this horrendous mentality in that if you aren't LEO or Mil then you're nobody... which is not the case at all. There are so many different contexts and niches out there. (This isn't even getting into the fact that most LEO and Mil interest in firearms begins and ends with it being a job requirement, and only shoot to pass qualification. Coupled with the fact that a lot of training has been streamlined, someone being LEO or Mil could mean anything or nothing.)
Boom!
Has anyone else just skipped all that, and claymore'd their entire house? I'm positive I'm not the only one.
Wait, you mean you're not suppose to use C4?😳
@@MrJ-bz8fe
Home made claymores are acceptable. Plus, if you have any left over, a good sized glob on a couple RC cars and/or drones, can come in handy.
Claymore roomba ftw
Do NOT tape your klacker to your TV remote.
500 pounds of tan with a 12 gauge trip alarm does the trick. 👍
Mine is loaded with #4 Buck.
I was in law enforcement for 41 years before retiring. In both local and federal agencies. ANY TIME I thought I might actually need a gun, I took the shotgun out of the car. I believe that the presence of a shotgun in my hands settled a LOT of confrontations peacefully.
Ditto in your observation, except I prefer 00, low recoil 8 pellet.
#4 for the win.
@@828enigma6 Law enforcement usually issues 00 buck, and that is probably a better choice for that purpose. Where you may have to shoot at greater than inside-the-home distances or through barriers, car bodies, windshields, etc.
My shotgun now is for home defense. I believe at inside-the-house distances #4 is better, but you would not go wrong with 00.
If I lived in an apartment I may actually go with a large birdshot, like BB or #2 to reduce penetration of walls.
Same here.
The most feared sound in the world is a pump action shotgun racking a shot
8:43 "Don't miss" , my eyes are tearing from laughing, thanks for that.
Sorry, can't buy from Lucky Gunner when I am regularly withing a mile from your facility but you insist on shipping it to me for a charge. There are more economical shipping options for shipping from out of state with comparable prices. I truly hope you change your policies on local pickup as I'd love to support your local company.
Probably for liability purposes that they allow no local pickup. Still support them brother as we need every single company to be thriving in our firearm community.
Lucky Gunner will no longer ship to Mississippi. WTH??? I even called them for an explanation. Crickets. I later learned that Lucky Gunner is owned primarily by libtards. While they love the mighty dollar, they can’t stand the thought of the SEC conference being well armed and fully stocked. Spot on. We’re ready with or without Lucky Gunner.
Where is lucky gunner located? What’s the reason for not being able to pick them up?
@@rogerknight2267 I’m certain that someone that owns a gun and ammo company does not meet the criteria of “libtard”
@@brysonsocall123 I wouldn’t think so either, especially since libtards hate capitalism. Doesn’t add up, does it??
"My kid is gonna need braces soon". I feel your pain.
My daughter's was 5k
@@firemanscottk damn...couldn't get insurance to cover or invisalign?
How can there be discussion of patterning without discussion of chokes?
WOW, Chris, this was (another) greatly instructive and superbly executed video. MANY THANKS to you and to Lucky Gunner!
I’ve used shotguns for more than 50 years, so I was aware of almost everything you stated, BUT - and this is a major “but” - your presentation was so coherent, concise, articulate, and sequentially-logical that it made reviewing all this information simple and straightforward (I’m certain it would be absolutely ideal for less experienced shotgunners).
I also laud your comments - which I trust will be further emphasized in Part #2 - concerning pattern size. I can’t tell you I how many times I’ve had to explain (and often re-explain) to new shooters that a shotgun’s purpose is NOT to have a huge pattern, so even inaccurate shots will score a hit or two on a criminal-sized target. This is a prevailing - but very dangerous - myth (as you know better than I).
Thanks, again, and I greatly look forward to Part #2.
People think a shotgun well spray pellets 4 feet wide.
@@DrTech-pw2cu 100 pellets to.
Roy Kiefer absolutely nothing new here for experienced shooters but I watched every second of the video and even rewinded it a couple times. Never forget though that you must always test your “knowledge” by watching or reading about the opinions of people you disagree with or dislike. Chris always leaves it open if there’s any wiggle room in anything he says and usually points it out as well.
Of course I have no intentions of being the victim of robbery or assault and do my best to avoid these situations as even the most prepared can and will be defeated usually by someone far less skilled and motivated. (I rewired my exterior lights and put switches in multiple locations and also installed a master switch in my bedroom that turns on just about every light in my house including bathroom fans. My home is a disaster for someone trying to be sneaky and my intentions are to never even pull out old faithful, (which is a simple over/under with a light on it).
jsis.. @9:55
the word "better" is mispelled on overlay/title card #3
Who is this guy? He looks like a shotgun and what does he know about vegetarians? LOL
I use gravel for my scattergun, cuts down on my overhead.
Makes those forensic guys crazy too.
I'm more of a nail man myself. Bit more expensive, but you can always find some if you walk around a construction site
ShitHappens 68 That’s a good choice too. Shoots wild patterns also. My double 12 black powder has chrome lined barrels so I can pretty much put anything thru it, even ball bearings when I can find them.
@GREG Torchia and here I thought dimes and nickels were only good for putting behind buffer springs on things like 1919s to speed up the cyclic rate.
And you can tell the cops he just fell in your gravel driveway!
Love your videos they’re very detail oriented. As for looks, I think you resemble Eric Forman from that 70’s show only with a beard. 😅
This guy looks like the type of person who would watch the democratic debates while smoking a pipe.
Isn't that the only way to watch the democratic debates...oh wait you mean tobacco pipe never mind carry on.
I don't think he would watch the democratic debates lol.
Even if he did, who cares about his political affiliations? He doesn’t bring them up in his videos and has some of the most most informative and research based gun and ammo info on RUclips!
@@dannybones399 he might watch but I'd bet he would be cleaning and loading his shotgun!
You’re wrong, the Democrats wouldn’t permit Chris to watch their debates, He’s too bright, too well mannered, too independent, and - most important of all - he hasn’t be brainwashed to accept their “party line” concerning the evilness of firearms and a good deal more.
I wish that Federal would make #1, #2, and #4 Flite Control loads. I think #4 would be sufficient for myself but could be persuaded to use #2 if it patterned nicely. I would be very concerned about #00 over penetrating if I were to miss in the moment. I know they did make #1 Flite Control previously, but from what I understand it was discontinued. Someone from Federal read this please lol.
They did make a #1 Buck Flite Control. Couldn't see it listed on LuckyGunner's site (sorry, Chris), but it's a Low Recoil loading with 15 pellets. Might be out of production, more's the pity because it was THE choice for buckshot SD/HD/Duty loadings among shotgun enthusiasts I know. Some of them stocked way up back when.
www.ammunitiondepot.com/951-federal-premium-12-ga-2-3-4-15-pellet-flitecontrol-1-buck-shot.html
www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-56-federal-flight-control-1-buckshot/
www.targetsportsusa.com/federal-law-enforcement-tactical-ammo-12-gauge-2-34-buckshot-15-pellets-le1321b-p-58630.aspx
@@JohnCBobcat It is out of production sadly.
I heard the patterning on the #1 Flight Control wasn't good so Federal pulled it until they could get that sorted out.
In my Mossberg 500 the #1 low recoil flight control patterns the same as the 00. I have one case left, and would buy more if I can find it
I like the Rio #4 buck it actually patterns really good out of my sxp a lot better then more expensive rounds both the Rio #4 & 00 actually. At 13yRds the pattern of the #4 Rio is still putting all 21 pellets on target and at close close range it’s obviously still together
I saw my uncle knock down flying passing geese at unbelievable distances with #4 buck when I was a kid.
Yes I realise that wasn't legal for him to do that.
We got really big geese out here on the west coast....and they fly high.
Why? #4 buck seam like good choice for high flying geese.
Are you familiar with a marlin goose gun?
@@douglasfry6112 yes, lol. I remember that interesting weapon
@@douglasfry6112 long Tom
I have a 20 gauge Mossberg shotgun so I hope this will apply. Doc said the shoulder won't handle 12 gauge any more.
#3 Buckshot in 20 gauge is equivalent to a 12 gauge #4 Buckshot loading. The 12 gauge gives you 27 pellets while the larger pellet (#3) of the 20 gauge still gives you 20 pellets in the standard length hull.
When it comes to Shotguns you typically dont want to be on the receiving end no matter the gauge
It's just as powerful as the 12 only difference is the slug and pellet sizes
🖐 #4 buck over here in my shotgun. If I was using it in an LEO capacity I'd probably go with full power 00 flight control. But I don't need the added range or barrier penetration that comes with that in my home or around it, which is a standard city sized lot with houses all around.
I also have my home defense shotguns loaded with #4 buckshot for the same reasons you noted. I don't need the added range or penetration with #00 buckshot for in the home self defense shooting.
My thoughts exactly
Thinking the same, but want to know more about #1 success vs #4.
00 Flight Control looks too tight and not designed to achieve the goal of higher hit probabilty.
JK 241 depends on the max distance of your encounters and the patterns of your shotgun. My max range in my home is 10 yards. And I know how my 18” 870 will pattern so I choose #1.its very dependent on your home and mission. A side saddle with a different load and training for a swap out could be the thing for you. The best part about a shotgun is it’s flexibility.
Chris M #4 buck 3in mag 41 pellets ☠️
I remember your last video about shotgun shells because I have a shotgun, and years ago, you made one of the simplest yet informative videos about shotgun loads.
A lot of the reason I carry what I carry is because you recorded the tests you did and included information like barrel length which gets overlooked so often. So thanks for that 🤙
“Looks like he might be a vegetarian” I almost spit out my drink when you said that it was so funny. 🤣😂🤣😂
Love how he can't be a vegetarian and a 2A guy by internet standards. Guys/girls...I'm vegan and a gun rights guy. It CAN happen. Not all of us received the pamphlet that told us the liberal or conservative criteria we had to live by.
Amen. I'm a vegetarian who loves shooting. The right/left divide was designed to keep the American public infighting, that way authoritarians can justify stripping us of our rights and constitutional protections. Vote. Protest. Own guns. Speak out. Exercising your rights is the best way to protect them.
in 75 years of life i have yet to see # 1 buck shot.
Reference patterning, one of our officers had a 14" barrel, modified choke entry gun that would reliably place all eight 00 pellets from the Federal Flight Control low recoil load in a 6" group at 40 yards. Had I not seen it myself, I would not have believed it.
Holy shit!
We found a that choke actually briefly grabbed or deformed the shot cup on flight control causing larger groups.
Hell yeah, just did a form 1 on an 870, bought a 14" Remington, bead sight, barrel with a fixed modified choke. That tight group is no exaggeration, does as well with the Hornady Versatite wad. It also hits point of aim with slugs at 30 yards
I have a 590A1 SBS (14” barrel) and I can confirm this. I didn’t believe it until I tried it myself.
@Bo Zo There's so many other loads, not all buckshot stays that tight. My 14" 870, using Federal #4 Buck has an 8" spread at 7 paces, the distance in my living room.
Outdoors I may want the Flight Control Wad, so I keep all pellets on target out to a known distance.
Chris, You're terrific... authoritative... and so appreciated!!! Jack
I use something kinda unconventional for home defense shotguns it sounds unusual but I use frangible breaching slugs. I’ve tested them pretty extensively they average 10-12 inches of penetration in ballistic gel they will punch through 4 layers of denim beef ribs and still disintegrate a pork roast without putting a hole in the plywood behind it. I haven’t shot drywall with them yet but but I have shot plywood spaced 4 inches they go through the first one like a slug punch a fist size hole in the second and almost nothing in the third. A 2x4 will snap in half but the plywood behind is fine. In my opinion based on my own test they are more than capable of stopping any threat that may be in your home with the least risk of over penetrate or collateral damage. so far the only down side I have really seen is they are expensive.
Frangible rounds were sold as Glaser safety slugs in a variety of calibers all throughout the 90s four exactly these reasons and proved fairly effective even in pistol calibers. In the smaller calibers they could result in under penetration but in a shotgun sized round, well let's just say Glaser got the idea from somewhere.
Honestly, I'd do the same but i haven't seen a place with those at a reasonable price and i question whether or not i could find a cheaper slug with similar ballistics and point of impact so i could get some proper training in with them.
the fact that you've tested your theory under likely conditions you'll face at home is so awesome. keep up the gun science my dude and I hope you never have to test the effectiveness of your setup in real life.
@Hohokam Footprints
They're tiny fragments, the point is that they're supposed to be small enough to not be able to cause significant injuries to anything other than eyes and they do nasty things if the slug hits flesh. They also can't get fouled by clothing like some hollow points. They ended up not having enough mass to be reliable though and fell out of favor. A breeching round does sound like it should be an excellent idea though. I'd like to know how much they're selling for these days.
I have some of those too, I don’t keep them loaded but I have some and they are good slugs. I do keep a couple slugs in my side saddle just Incase I need to take out the radiator on a get a way car or something lol
Might want to be wary of possible legal ramifications in certain jurisdictions ie the same ones that ban the use of expanding projectiles. Just a thought.
#4 Buck is perfectly acceptable for most home self defense.
Lmfao!!!
".... this guy looks like he might even be vegetarian..."
Jesus christ that was funny
For anyone curious about penatration, check out Paul harrell's videos on mock walls and meat targets.
Pork ribs and oranges
"You be the judge".
This is why I load #4 without hesitation.
I'm curious about penetration..where do I put my credit card number?
Because his supermarket-sourced targets are repeatable.
Not.
"my kid is going to need braces soon"
That was a little ominous.
So far my wife and I are hooked on this channel. Thanks again! Just bought the Mossberg Maverick 88 Youth 20 GA and have been putting it together and taking it apart for fun and practicing using it empty. Going to buy some snap caps for better practicing on loading and shooting. It is good to know that there are so many helpful videos on this subject of shotguns. Thanks so much, Mr. Lucky!
I love how at the beginning of the video you gave a quick recommendation of a good honey defense type of buck shot! That was very thoughtful
I thoroughly agree with you on the importance of a tight pattern and, for that same reason, I agree with you top choice of ammo.
I was the handgun/shotgun instructor for my old agency. We tried out the Flite-Control wad buckshot and I LOVED it! I shot it in Rem870s both 14" modified choke barrels and 20" Improved Cylinder barrels, as well as a few other models, and never failed to be impressed. If you'll pardon and indulge an old story, I was, days prior to my retirement, running a qualification course for a night shift squad. One crusty shift sgt, after arguing with me about even having to qualify with a shotgun he hated and "never would use anyway," dug his issued 20" 870 from his trunk and stomped up to the 50 yard line. I told him this was the slug portion of the shoot (5 shots total, 1@50y, 2@40y, 2@25y). He said he was loaded with slug. So he fired as I instructed, and I saw no big holes in his silhouette target. Looking closer, though .. hmm.. I called everyone to wait and went down range. He had, as I suspected, left his gun loaded with Federal "Tactical" 00B, with Flite-Control wads. ONE pellet was not in the scoring section of the target. ONE! It was a body hit, mind you, just not in the scored section. All the other pellets were in the scored area. Remember, 50 yards, 40 yards, and 25 yards!
Up 'til then I mostly used slugs (especially Federal "low-recoil" slugs as my then issued 14" 870 and my own 18" S&W 3000 liked them). I began stocking up on that Flite-Control wad 00b from then on.
Thanks, this really is an excellent post, with valuable information, and I appreciate it.
Good info sir. Thanks!
Buckshooooot!!! Helll yeeaaaa
I've got a case of #1 buckshot from federal w/ flight control
Lucky you. Save them!
@Evocati I keep hearing that, but they do pop up and for great prices. I get them on Outdoor limited
" it just MIGHT not go through ALL of the walls in your apartment building... Soooooo....... Dont miss "
Pure awesomeness.
Good food for thought here. I've always considered bird shot (7 1/2) to be a good load for home defense in my home. Max distance being maybe 10 to 12 paces. My primary concern has always been over penetration or errant projectiles. Never having shot any ballistic jell, my observations with bird shot on the range, at various targets (milk jugs with water, old doors, etc...) made me comfortable with bird shot at close range. This video might at least make me buy some more ammo... Oh...BTW all those previously mentioned targets were collected and carted off. People, please stop leaving your junk where the rest of us shoot! Thank you to those responsible enough to leave the site cleaner than when you arrived.
Use buckshot
Birdshot - especially the tiny target shot like #7 1/2 - is terrible at penetrating. Pellets that tiny have very little mass compared to their surface area. It's called "bird"shot for a reason; don't count on it to reliably stop a large creature.
@@SynchronizorVideosAmen, get the 00 buckshot for home invasions!
Always look forward to your videos ,no BS ranting or raving but straight to the point and informative.
good info
Indeeeed
Any 2¾-3½ 00 buck will most likely go through your interior and exterior walls. Home defense is best left to 2¾ #4 buck.
john basterson I was thinking the same thing. Not only that though, but most articles I’ve read regarding shotgun loads for home defense recommend #4 buck (though I’d still choose Federal Premium defense loads). 00 buck is better suited for longer range.
Nine steel bearings in most Shimano hubs...
00 all day for me
I have done a lot of shot shell testing in the last 10 years or so, mostly out of a Benelli Super Nova tactical shotgun and I have made some surprising discoveries. #1 being that the reasonably priced Fiocchi nickel plated buckshot puts up just as good of a pattern as the ultra expensive shells like Federal Flight Control and the Remington buffered loads (can't remember the exact name). Also cheap ass Rio 00 buckshot shells from from my local Cabelas do pretty well and are a bargain. I still have all my shot shell testing targets packed away. Maybe I will have to get them out again so I can jog my memory a little bit more.
Arman75 ....got that too & drop a lot of big deer with it
00 buck 3 and half inch federal copper plated with
a pattern master chock .
@@kylegreene1356
Yet, here you are commenting on his video.
"so... don't miss." Indeed. :-)
Michael Ogden, unless you get your self defense advice from Joe Biden... just fire a few rounds wildly in the air!
Looks sadly at 16 guage in safe
Agreed on no love for 16. My wife's Dad pulled an ass-h0le move and had her shoot a 12 at too young an age so she's a bit afraid of it (but would if SHTF) however a 16 or 20 would probably suit her better or assauge her fears of the 12.
@@RustyOpel the 16 really is a great round. Even the buckshot loadings ( if you can find them) aren't bad on recoil. I have a semi auto and you can keep it on target much more easily
Love my 16's
Just hard to find ammo.
@@nativestone1577 if your in new England kittery trading Post has a selection of in stock 16 guage. It's a miracle, even slugs !
Hey she will still fight for you faithfully
The mini shell are for more firepower/more shells in shotguns with tubes.
The Mossberg 12 ga. need an adapter to feed the mini shells to function reliably.
One of these devices are sold by OPSol Mini-Clip & cost about $20 USD.
Liked for the "My kid is gonna need braces soon" comment
Excellent information about the counter - intuitive nature of tight versus wide patterns. Thank you so much for all your great, down to the point, information about ammunition selection and decisions to be made.
00 fiocchi low recoil loaded in my bedside boomstick.
Same. I've been happy with the results.
That stuff has patterned terribly in every shotgun I've tried it in.
The round patterns great at 12 yards in my Mossberg 590 Shockwave used for home defense.
I like my S&B 9 pellets of 00 buck why hell it's for close quarters anyway 10 yards or less !!
Simple and barebones, yet educational and explanatory.
Spoken with basic English with very little jargon and near crystal clear clarity and open honesty.
That’s the traits of a high quality piece of work.
My dad worked for WINCHESTER in the 60s in Geelong Australia, he did alot of overtime to help make buckshot rounds for the USA army, who wanted a million rounds a week for Vietnam 🇻🇳!!😮, cheers from Australia 🇦🇺 😊
So, back in March 2020, I tried to buy a case of Federal 00 buck. Welp, the market was COMPLETELY dry except for this very weird 12 pellet 00 buck from some random Italian company. Literally just this afternoon I cracked open two boxes and gave these Italians a whirl. Let me first say........I'm an avid, avid, avid shooter, love hunting, love sport shooting...etc. I have shot probably thousands of shotgun shells of all different flavors under my belt.
I go to load the shells into my 590 (which is an 8 round magazine).....I'm beyond puzzled when I can only load 7 of these supposed 2 3/4 shells into my tube! lol. I scratch my head, and shrug it off. I let loose the first blast and I'm stunned by the recoil. I mean......absolutely STUNNED. These things slap harder than a donkey on crack. Harder than 3 INCH magnum shells. I honestly don't get it. They are LABLED 2 3/4 but do NOT load the same into my tube and then I compared them to some Winchester XX 00 buck I had laying around which load 8 into my tube and there seems to be ZERO height difference. lol What the hell!
Another excellent video Chris ! Interesting, informative, and I admire and applaud your efforts to present facts that are as accurate as possible (to the best of your knowledge). I've been sport shooting (handgun/shotgun) for almost 40 years, and I do NOT in any way claim to be an expert, but I've picked up a few things along the way. I have a LOT of respect for the individual who says, " I'm not really sure about that, I'll have to look into it". Thank You and keep up the great work.
I've done lots of gun stuff, but I'm new to shotguns. Thank you so much for the comprehensive video!
Great video 👍 My first fire arm is a Mossberg Mavirick 88 I bought in 94. Have always loved the buckshot round and used for practice. OO buckshot is my round of choice before I even know it was a defensive round.
Idk how 00 buck is a go to round, an evidence based approach would lead to #1 buckshot. Penetration, number of projectiles, over penetration, and getting hits at distance #1 buck is far superior. Just type in 00 vs #1 buck into a search engine. It’s like he is he is comparing the cheapest steel cased plinking rounds and saying they are much better at home defense then a +P JHP defense round.
"3" shells are for larger animals." Well, there are plenty of dangerous and wild animals that were released into the wild in the past year. 3" shells it is.
I like 7 1/2 lead shot to prevent over penetration, don't want to kill anyone in another room. It Should do just fine against an intruder. Everyone has an opinion about what's the best home defense load, honestly shoot whatever you want and just make sure it's reliable. That's my opinion.
It will do the job up close for sure 👌
Agreed. 8 shot to 4 shot leave devastating wounds at 0 to 20 feet. Harry Whittington was 30-40 YARDS away from Dick Cheney when he was grazed by a 28 gauge with birdshot and it still almost killed him. The wound itself wasn't terrible but the tiny birdshot entered his circulatory system and started clogging some arteries.
@@HockeyGoon939 I got lucky and found a couple of boxes of high brass #6 for my 20 gauge. I think it would do fine 🙂
Bird shot would do fine close up. For home defense purposes, I would recommend #2 shot, or something from #2 to #6 shot over #7 1/2 (but load what you can get). I would also recommend looking at #1 or #4 buck shot over #00 if you can find it.
@@gunsandpolitics5510 I shoot a 20 gauge so its no problem # 4 buck is pretty mean
I’d feel a little bad for the intruder because all I have is 45.70 and that will cripple a bear or moose so what would it do to a intruder 🤔
I actually do have another gun but it’s just a M1 carbine but if there’s a intruder I want something with some oomph
45-70 would turn a man's mid section into spaghetti.
alan wake my M1 is capable for it but I just wanna get a message across to the thief about breaking an entering and what happens when someone breaks into my house
It would remove the intruder.
45-70 shot at the midsection will fold a man in half like closing a Motorola Razor and send him 10 yards back in the direction from where he came! All the while removing his spinal section like the Predator.
@@SPCWELLS7 They say no small arms can actually blow someone backwards.
But come on, the 45-70 HAS to change the guy's vector at least a LITTLE.
This video is so concise and informative, I love it.
I load my pump shotgun with #000 MAGNUM…. It’s kind of like sleeping with a loaded canon next to me.
I like how this man is coming straight forward with his topic, even in his advertisement,
Such a rare human
"My kid is going to need braces" "He looks like a vegetarian"
Came for the info, stayed because I am LOLing!
I like this guy,, very good presentation...
ah man, I was hoping part 2 would be pinned at the top of the comments, that would have been helpful
Well here's me doing my part 🤣 part2:: ruclips.net/video/Jf4i8gRTsJs/видео.html
If we’re talking 10 yards or less I’ll take 7.5 birdshot. I’d hate to take a face full or even a gut shot of birdshot at typical home distance which will definitely take out the eyes and cause massive bleeding due to hundreds of pellet wounds. The bonus is they won’t hit your family member three walls away.
I have this stuff and I love it. At 50 yards it kept a pattern of about 3’ with no flyers.
I also tested some Federal 000 buck without flight control. At 50 yards it held a 4’ pattern with 2 flyers each time. The flyers were outside the main pattern by less than 1’ each time.
Thanks for the information, Chris. I always find your videos helpful or at least interesting. Your detailed review of the P365XL was a big part of my decision to purchase one. (I'd still love to see an aftermarket replacement for the manual safety switch.)
Outstanding, can't wait for part 2.
Here's all you need to know about buckshot. You'll most likely only use it (long gun) in home defense mode as its difficult to conceal carry a full on sized shotgun. In this role as home protector just have some buckshot and your fine, period. At home defense ranges it doesn't matter what brand of buckshot or if you use plated buckshot at these close distances. Get the cheapest buckshot you prefer that reliably runs thru your shotgun and your gtg. You dont need fancy boutique loads. Just position the kids beds where they're out of the flight path and family is out of the way and it solves much of the issues.
I have the fancy tactical buckshot I got on a sale but typically I buy the cheap stuff like the lead ball Rio brand. For goodness sake its just #00 buckshot and is a short range to immediate range proposition mostly 5-10 yds is the most likely distances in legit defense situations. Let's not overtime this.
I like the Nobel Sport Italia LE 12GA. One .650" lead ball followed by six #1 Buckshot pellets.
"May even be a vegetarian". It made me crack so hard I farted 😂
I farted too! And I'm a vegetarian!!
You're recommendation is for outdoor use. For indoors with a shotgun, you want to use plated number 4 buckshot. spreads more, doesn't overpenetrate, devestates flesh, 27-41 24 caliber pellets. 00 Buck loads tend to group very tightly at close range. They'll only make a 3 inch hole at 10m with just about any 00 load. With that kind of "precision" you might as well be using a PCC or a Rifle. Number 4 Buck will not penetrate more than 1 layer of drywall. Penetrating beyond 10 to 12 inches is plenty when you have between 30 and 40 wound channels in the target. The more pellet, the more tissue damage. Stopping power is no myth. a magnum number 4 load is the equivalent of about 45 people shooting one person with a 22 pistol at once.
I was a little disappointed there was no clip of #4 Buck going into ballistic gel.
#4 lead buck will penetrate many layers of drywall. Six sheets -- 3 walls -- according to one test.
Finally someone who actually knows what hes talking about. Thank you for the sanity!
I just posted the same before i read your better comments!
“Evidence based...” Thank you.
#4 buck has twice THE PELLETS. 22caliber INSTEAD OF. 32 cal.
What kind of defence loads can I get for a 2 bore?
We gots really big criminals where I live. Can I get Glasser safety slugs for it? Maybe a Claymore would be a saver bet? 🤪
I'm from Australia we have strict gun laws and I don't own a gun or shoot at all I just enjoy your content and find it interesting and perhaps useful if I ever did find myself with a firearm and a choice between living and dying, you do a great job man and I appreciate the effort put into these vids, its annoying that some people don't understand the value of knowledge the same way they understand the value of money but anyway keep it up dude liked and subbed
I can't even imagine living in a screwed up world where your government controls your rights. There's no way in hell I would ever live there! Sorry for your loss , kinda like living in the early 40s in Germany. Good luck in the future.
@@toddlumadue8087 Don't believe all the Hollywood movies, tv and common believed his-story.
Ww2 was a battle between bankster allies and free countries.
Still see it today with the middle east and Russia.
@@CL-ty6wp wow seriously guy? I can’t stand people like you.
You might want to do a bit of research into gun laws in Nazi Germany in the 40S. Like who could and who couldn't own a gun.
That beard is legendary. Great video.