Are BJJ and Judo Watered Down?! w/ Shintaro Higashi & Brian Glick
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Make sure you keep your face clean and check out this videos sponsor, CUROLOGY through this link! curolo.gy/senseiseth2
Is BJJ the NEW KARATE?! @Shintaro Higashi , @Brian Glick and I talk about if BJJ and Judo are being watered down and our opinion on Martial Arts Belts!
Make sure you keep your face clean and check out this videos sponsor, CUROLOGY through this link! curolo.gy/senseiseth2
In this video, I talk with 2 high level Martial Artists in the grappling world!! It's a real Karate vs BJJ vs Judo matchup as we talk about some of the more important part of the growth of martial arts styles like gentrification, if styles are "watered down" and what the publics perception is! @Brian Glick is a long time BJJ student of John Danaher and has some awesome Jiu Jitsu transtitions, techniques and submissions he hits me with. @Shintaro Higashi is an incredibly talented Judo coach and practitioner that come from a long line of authentic and traditional Judo!
Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:35 Gentrification
2:05 Olympic Martial Arts
5:07 Curology!
7:25 Belt Validity
11:34 McDojos 
Спорт
![Finesse2Tymes - Pretty Ricky [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xIoP_mhYRT0/mqdefault.jpg)
Make sure you keep your face clean and check out this videos sponsor, CUROLOGY through this link! curolo.gy/senseiseth2
Did you not see UFC 1? Karate is watered down.
I don’t think that’s a question, I say that all the time. In fact I probably say it a couple times in this video
@@SenseiSeth so why the click bait? Also, your white belt in bjj doesn't have any weight in the effectiveness of current bjj. Which is higher than its ever been. Ever.
Martial Smartest he’s talking from the perspective of a person who had his martial art watered down
@@roguelites5225 that's obvious. He's also projecting it onto another ocean of information that he's just dipped his feet.
Always a pleasure talking with you both!
Knowing Old time Judo guys and what they would teach vs. today Judo most definitely is watered down. But any martial art that starts to have a serious sports focus seems to get watered down from its original martial roots.
Yea I would have to agree with that, most things change with time
When you turn something in to a sport, your focus on safety and efficiency.
Had an uncle who was a Vietnam Veteran with major PTSD and was doused in Agent Orange. He was prescribed a half pound of pharmaceutical cannabis from the chemist because he would trigger over Choppers in the sky, sudden repetitive loud noises and all sorts, and just go berserker mental thinking we were all Viet Cong. For all my martial arts training and despite his age I was never any match for his old school Combat Judo when he lost it. Even afterbreceiving some basic training in the same style from some more stable Vets the old man was just a savage. Walking into a Judo Club and seeing Olympic Judo was a joke in comparison
I was a college judo player in the late 80s and early 90s. Went to both college meets and some open tournaments and even a few dojo challenge type deals our coach/sensei set up with others he knew. (Including an awesome time we all lined up by weight and the two lightest had a match in the center and the winner stays for the next in line from the other dojo. One of my best memories of my college years actually). Anyway, I had a point. I am not sure if it is 'watered down' but it seemed to me that Olympic level judo has become totally about the throws. If they do not get an ippon they let go and jump back rather than go to ground work. I know you use a lot of energy on the ground and in judo there are often several matches in the same day. But I do wonder if the "elite" players and teachers even bother to teach/learn the ground work anymore.
@Rune Age Mage as far as I'm concerned those beatdowns made me the martial artist I became, without them I lacked the knowledge of true lethality. As a Karateka I got my first beat down from a Thai Fighter in the early 90's when Muay Thai was still relatively unknown in the West. Even that beatdown didn't compare to what the Uncle put on me. I consider myself privileged to have experienced it multiple times and having survived it without permanent injury.
In the future you can get your black belt online, without get up from your chair
Wasnt that the whole premise of "gracie university"?
You can already do that. Just go to ebay or amazon
@@furiousfellow1583 It was definetly the result. haha
dang, I would listen to a podcast of just you guys talking martial arts. I was Mcdojo'd as a kid in taekwondo (ATA). It was a great foundation as a kid but really found my calling with boxing and Muay Thai.
we're living the same life
I think most martial arts go through a process that is like... First its just born out of neccesity... Then it gets watered down because life is not as brutal anymore in most places its practiced... Then its modernized when its noticed that it started to suck, and the process repeats the last 2 parts untim eternity
Hey, mindset is everything. The mindset that you go into training with can definitely change what you get from your training
Fair enough!
Like going then coming out better than you were going in. That’s my mindset At least.
Lol wtf
Nope, not even slightly. I’ll be honest Fred, watching that and that being your immediate conclusion seems a bit insecure
@Fred Forbes how so?
Great conversation, most martial arts used to be full combat systems including striking, grappling etc. But have been watered down and specialised into certain areas due to things like sport rules, regulations and teaching kids, especially the less dangerous aspects.
I skip a lot of mid-video ads. Yours was hilarious and self deprecating. Loved it.
Brian Glick is one smart cookie. Very interesting listening to him
the blue basement is full of smart articulate people lol
@@mahmoudmahmoudi3217 not Gordon unfortunately
Oh man! I really enjoyed this episode and hearing everyone's perspective. Please do more of these types of talks. It was awesome.
guys, this was EXTREMELY informative. keep 'em coming!
loved the discussion and best ad placement ever!
I like these conversations, keep them coming!
Sensei you really heightened the quality of content on martial arts in RUclips as a whole, lately. Congrats!
Great vid! Love the colaberation! Even the add was kool! 😄 The Judo guy is great!
Love the vibe here. Mat talk is always awesome
Wish the conversation had continued! Thanks for sharing.
Can't wait to watch that judo kata video!! Sounds awesome!
I would like to see more video's like this. Keep up the good work.
When things open back up, you three could have a dope seminar at your dojo in N.C.
That ad was hilarious Seth! Nice job
Congratulations on your sponsors man, I remember when you were around 10k subs filming a lot w hard2hurt
I was just gonna ask for fight talk again..perfect timing!
Heyooo!
Awesome to get your first sponsor like that. Keep up the good work. I love the bit about philosophical ethos of the gym, of the art. The mindset of a philosophy can change a life! Now, Go kick something.
Love it when sensei Seth uploads 😎
Ayeeee
The issue is two elements: 1) more services than demands and 2) monopoly of competition. The first one is a consecuences of making more dojos than there is demand, if you open a dojo and there is not good demand you lower the entri to the practice so the public that you may not be reaching through the traditional methods can enter. An example are kids and karate, karate dojos trainned used by pretty tought early on, but the need to reach this new public (kids) meant you can't keep the traditional methodology. The second is exactly what you guys talked, the olympics; if you have a institution that regulate one way of competing, you are innevitable going to change your methodology for that way of competing, look at kendo, kendo had plenty of guards and move, now they can only use 3 guards I believe, because the committes regulate the entirety of the sport.
Absolutely, back in the day a Karate Dojo was like a boxing gym in a tough neighbourhood, it attracted fighters & they had certain expectations about the intensity of training. That has changed now, most Karateka are weekend warriors & are more likely to be dentists, lawyers or bankers than street kids. Not that that is inherently bad, but it does talk to what you say here about who a dojo attracts & how that effects training.
@@KuyVonBraun "Not that that is inherently bad" thanks, I forgot this, that lowering the entry isn't bad, is just inevitable if people want to live of teaching. No one can keep a school open when the retention is of 6 tough people.
But tournaments are the nail in the coffin. Because in general people who train seek 2 things: self improvement (they reduce it to the black belt) or competition. If the later is a terrible for growing and you don't have more than one option, its the end, the person will train focusing in that bad option they have.
Luckily (or Unluckily) in my area Judo dojo's are going extinct. Very few out here. I've opened up a school, and yes it's only 6 people, but it's not my day job.
@@SeanWinters that’s sad because Judo is a really solid art. It’s a shame they keep adding more & more rules for competition though, at this rate throws will be banned next 🤣. I think if Judo got back to its roots it’d be a lot more popular, essentially BJJ but with an emphasis on tachiwaza (which is better for self defence IMO anyway)
@@KuyVonBraun couldn't agree more
Excellent video! I really appreciated the content and open discussion here. The library analogy was great. Hope you don't mind if I borrow that idea for explaining things to my students!
💯
I’ve always looked at my karate experience as a very personal journey and the belt is like a representation of that work. I think that’s the great thing about the martial art aspect of it and why I’ve never really looked at it as a sport. Within the same style I have seen and worked with other sensei and have learned a lot and feel like it makes my journey personal.
I like the library analogy
That was an awesome ad I couldn’t click past it lol
I began studying Kyokushin Karate in 1973, I was 13 years old. The classes were very physical, it seemed that there was always a few people who had bruised ribs and taped fingers and toes. The class was not geared towards kids, it was mostly adults. We didn't try to hurt each other but we sparred hard. We would also put on boxing gloves and go full contact. During the 80's I was teaching at Alameda Navel Air Station. The class was some enlisted men and women, plus spouses and children who lived on the base as well as civilian employees who worked on the base. I had to dial it back a bit too fit the general makeup of my students, while still trying, as much as possible to stay true to the way I was taught and stay true to the art. I did see that other people who were teaching within the same school system were totally gearing towards kid friendly classes with gentle sparring, which I was O.K. with but also giving belts to people in order to keep them coming to class rather than giving them only when they were truly earned. I broke away from the school after attending a ranking where people were awarded their Shodan, who in my opinion hadn't even been close to earning it.
Appreciate the time stamps! Great video Seth, you got yourself a new sub.
Thanks 🙏
I love the collabs, great content! I’ve been watching Shintaro since I’ve started judo, it’s cool to see you get along with him so well. Also glad you got a little taste of judo after that tier list ;p joking ofc
I think its cool u do this and talk with guys from other arts. More karate guys need to do this
It's interesting to hear the Japanese perspective on black belts :-) vs western perspective on black belts
I think one thing that people need to look at is that any fighting system has to adapt to survive, and that can involve changing its curriculum to meet society, like changing laws for example.
Duuuuuude, you really needed the guys from the welcomemat steve scott channel in on this conversations. They're doing a grass roots judo that goes against all the modern rules and still practice old school techniques that are no longer legal in modern judo competition
Great video guys, I did Shotokan years ago and it took me a year to get to orange belt. Our black belts general took 5 years and we would attend training 3 times a week. I think people neglect the fact that you need to attend class regular as well.
agree - people underestimate the simple act of showing up
My kids gym does 3 hours a week bjj.... Usually takes 20 years for black belt here. We're in Abu Dhabi, there's massive tournaments every year as well.
I don't know about you guys, but I find Shintaro Sensei is very intimidating with that calm posture
Love this video by the way😊
the baby black belt picture killed me
😂😂😂
You guys are great. I am looking into taking some Judo classes. I think that it might win out versus Bjj in the street. I don't want to lie in guard on the concrete road and have him pick me up and slam me back down on my head. I have been into boxing since i was a kid, but I don't think that is enough on the street.
I get the feels when they had to turn up shintaro. I do a podcast and I've had that same problem, where the noise jumps with the rest of the audio.
Seth your editing is leveling up and a new sponsor cool 👍
Thanks my friend!
@@SenseiSeth 😁
Love ur content
thanks bro!
Hey Sensei !!! Love your videos. I just wanted to tell you that you kind of remind me of Lieutenant pierce from Lucifer
OMG YES
My judo sensei required us to win matches in competition to advance and then for me to get first degree brown I went to a test where there were three other senseis from other dojos and the candidates had three matches. You didn't have to win them all but show the level of competence they judges sufficient under stress. (This was after getting enough points in tournaments). I failed my black belt test (which had katas I really hadn't mastered) and ended up drifting away from Judo as I moved away post college and never found a private judo place that looked worth joining.
"let's kick stuff!" *punches camera*
nah actually were gonna talk
I teach Judo. You either survive or you drop out. I don't water it down.
Based
Agreed, though the "water down" stuff can happen thanks to IJF, such as banning throws and let touching etc. I still teach the "forbidden techniques", just sucks we can't use em in tournaments.
Definitely agree I don’t hand belts out for technical knowledge you gotta be able to apply it and it’s not something you can be soft with you either get tough or you don’t make it
@@SeanWinters Agree.
I searched for a Judo gym where I lived for years and they were always so far away but luckily I found something haha. I really wish there was more Judo gyms in the states (where I live there is maybe 2). I am really glad that my Judo instructor teaches both Olympic and the older style. Our class is more in line with Kano Jiujitsu rather than Olympic Judo itself.
The ad cracked me up.
Featuring sensei seth, and shintaro higashi* 😋
Bjj dude monopolized the conversation. But all you guys are awesome! Watching Shintaro's Judo basics rn!😊
I love the watering down of BJJ. I'm 42. There's like a 98.7% chance that I'll never need to use my jiu-jitsu in some random attack or whatever. If I got mugged, instead of suburban revenge fantasy, I'd deescalate and capitulate as best as possible and go on with my life. But I do have a high chance of getting out of shape and then having a heart attack, etc. And I find fantasies of being a "fighter" help motivate me to get out there and train. Jiu-jitsu inspires me in that realm. I've lost tons of weight doing BJJ and training for BJJ. I've put on lots of muscle. I look different because of it. I've tried hardcore BJJ schools. Those left me injured after every class. Not out for a month injured. But hurt. Watered down, light jiu-jitsu keeps me working out and inspired, but doesn't leave me aching all through work the next day with a busted lip.
@Fishy Vagina I supplement BJJ with Boxing conditioning drills and heavy bag work. I also jog 5ks a couple times a week.
Is it possible for BJJ to be Gentrified? Is it already happening?
I kind of think it is happening
Why do you say that?
quit calling it bjj it's brazillian JUDO
But...
I think just like karate and Taekwondo it is becoming more of a sport. That’s not even the main problem these days. I think the real problem is a lot of kids want to say they are a black belt. They don’t want to put in work they just want it. And I think In some dojo’s at least this is allowing the mcdojo aspect of things. So I think yes BJJ is kind of deteriorating. Not in all areas though. In my area at least Taekwondo and karate are taught in traditional forms same with all other martial arts.
Interesting discussion about the watering down of martial arts. You probably could have had this discussion about any three martial arts.
For sure!
A very interesting discussion from three 'martial arts' instructors. if you look at people like Jigoro Kano (judo) and Gichin Funakoshi (karate). They were both looking at fighting systems: Karate primarily from Okinawa and Jujitsu from mainland Japan. Now these fighting systems were there as an adjunct to weapons used in a battle/conflict situation and were used to incapacitate/kill your adversary. Kano and Funakoshi were looking to use these fighting systems as a physical education for children in schools so obviously the the violent (practical techniques) had to be stripped away. As the prospect of severely injured or dead children after a PE lesson at school would have not gone down well. Look at the majority of 'combat sports' (western or Eastern in origin) and by their vary nature of being a 'sport' they become watered down. Rules, referees, governing and awarding bodies. Even in the MMA competition or 'cage fighting' there is someone other than the the two combatants ready to step in and stop the fight.. The same cannot be said when you happen to unfortunately be attacked out in the 'real' world when the attacker stops when they get tired or you have been beaten to a pulp. So do we look at 'martial arts' from two stand points: as 'arts' that are for our physical, emotional and moral development or as an effect fighting system which we can use on that (hopefully rare) occasion to protect/defend ourselves or someone else from being violently attacked. I do speak from a background of training in Japanese 'martial arts' way back in the 1960's as a young teenager started judo Also trained in the following Karate styles : Kyokushinkaikan; Shotokan and Wado-ryu. And briefly in Jujitsu and Aikido. Each one of these have informed me in many ways.
My apologies for such a long-winded comment.
interesting video
I think making sure people understand what they are doing, why they are doing it, and how it relates to their individual goal will definitely help with this issue. The Karate Kid is a great example. Kid gets all of these task that seem to be unrelated to his goal. Then when he decides to quit the instructor provides the secrets of the task and how they help. Instructors today need to do a better job of this on the front end. With all of the options and information out there you really need to get to why this works and how it will help you. Gone are the days of blindly following to figure out the secret techniques
Slowly Bit by bit certain elements of a martial art gets removed or illegalities. For BJJ we already see some rule sets where slams, jumping guard, knee locks, scissors, spinal, neck manipulating, small finger joints are illegal and not talked about.
At least it's still better than Judo competition. Hell, a Judoka could do more things in a BJJ tournament than in a Judo tournament
@@jaketheasianguy3307 judo tournaments are literal trash now, they have been for like at least 10 years now
I trained in tae kwon do and hapkido from 1986 to 2015. However, it was definitely not WTF olympic style, but old style jidokwan. It was totally different from what was being taught in wtf schools at the time.
Been doing judo for 8 years and i'm happy that i've achieved my brown belt through hardwork and perseverance. 😎
No pain no gain. Respect and love to all martial artists.
WHAT IS THE OUTRO SONG BRO ITS FIRE
I'm Friends with Brian and Shintaro and have BB in Japanese Jiu Jitsu 7
Karate 4 ,Judo 4 and Renzo Gracie 1st .
Great Conversation bro .I would only add my two cents and say that There are 3 different ways to think about this.
There are Martial Arts ( Self Defense/ Combativs,
Martial Sports "Sport Karate /BJJ /JUDO and then there are Martial Ways ,Aikido ,Tai Chi etc .
In order to be a complete Martial Artist you need to be able to combine the best of the Sport with the Combative mindset of anything goes and be prepared mentally for what that entails .
Peace out Bro 🖐️
We've had quite a few people do black belt in 3 years, but some that took 10 to finish out brown. For us it's the mastery of the curriculum and ability to spar respectably against the belt guys above and below you. If you're practicing 10-15 hours a week that's going to take a lot less time
There must be a way to start off soft for kids, and then transfer into a more practical style as they grow in the system. I do Sekukan karate do and it seems to me that it starts off soft for the younger kids, but as you grow it it progress' into a harder style as you grow.
Same at my dojo! I do shukokai karate
Kudo Karate always start off hard and practical. Just like Muay Thai or Boxing.
Meh. You could do that with Muay Thai,boxing,Jujitsu, wrestling, etc. Just soft spar and practice techniques. That way you can be a killer at anytime. All you have to do is finish with intent which is super simple. You can teach a jab and make then practice and its super simple. You can soft spar like playing tag then at anytime when they go full force that jab will be perfect
@@genises200,
Yes.
Yeah but isnt it always like that? The nature of at least belt centric martial arts ia the progression and growing difficulty as you get along
Its cool for Martial arts to be sport oriented, it keeps most of the benefits and levels up the players, problems arise with lame ruleset like banning leg grabs in judo or not penalizing your oponent for climbing you in bjj because he cannot slam you
I would say making martial arts more into sports gives it more authenticity. If a martial art isnt practiced regularly against a live opponent trying to beat you, then its more just a fun way of exercising.
I think non-sport martial arts should have live non-cooperative resistance anyways. The sport aspect does not seem necessary - the non-cooperative resistance part I think should be necessary.
@@ShadowParalyzer the problem is drilling moves against a resisting partner doesnt necessarily translate to being able to pull it off while live sparring
@@konev13thebeast Oh, I wasn't thinking about drilling - like doing the same move over and over again. I am thinking of live sparring, but I suppose the reason I don't consider that a sport is because I don't think having a point-system is necessary.
Yes both are essential
They are all going to blend in
I am curious would they ever put BJJ in the Olympics? What would be your thought on that?
“Those spinning heel hooks.. KICKS!”
3:03 this is literally what Kwons channels about
I like how animated this guy is
0:28 he did the thing Icy Mike roasted him about.
Hi so I wanna do karate but the only place it is is in rapid South Dakota but I live in spearfish South Dakota
In spearfish they hav teakwondo
my 1st Karate Gym 15 1/2 was the minimum age for Black Belt
Short answer, yes. Yes, they are.
I started out taking Tang Soo Do at around 13, took it for a few years and then really got bored with the way it was being taught. Fast forward a whole bunch of years and I start taking BJJ, I became a completely different fighter once I started taking BJJ. I think the most important thing is the methodology of the dojo and it’s teachings, and of course your coach. I go to a great dojo and I have a fantastic coach, those two things keep me motivated and wanting to learn the right way and to train the right way.....and most of all, have respect for the martial arts.
Dojo😂
@@d.j6607 I’m old school man I can’t help it.....lol.
Most film and Anime show a would be fighter, regardless of style, going through training in seclusion. In the mountains or the woods, on an island or even just a secluded dojo or gym. This is for dramatic reasons (the hero's journey) but it also satisfies a logical assumption. In order to absorb something as difficult as a fighting art you must take it seriously be focused intensely and listen to your instructor and trust them to bring out your potential.
This is not the case for most non professional fighters in real life but it does illustrate the attitude with which one must approach any potential fighting art you decide to learn or teach.
To teach is to impart power. To learn is to receive power. Power is dangerous. It can corrupt, it can deceive and it can kill. It requires responsibility, discipline respect and restraint.
Are we gonna get a video of you learning a throw?
Did you not see either of the videos of me being throwing around like a rag doll?
@@SenseiSeth It was hard to miss it! But when are we gonna see you rag doll someone in Judo? (Even if it’s just learning)
@@confessedrock7358 haha it’ll be a bit!
This is my two cents on the issue:
1) You need to approach this not based on the rules, but on intent (this is what has been mentioned in terms of looking at Martial Arts as a sports). This was a conclusion in the HEMA community, if you have the sport with it's game, the actions will become gamified to suit the rule-set. The alternative is to instill a cultural mentality of what you're intending to do, so what does a hit mean in the context of the ruleset? What does it represent? At the end of the day, Martial Arts is a system of fighting and needs to be some representation of that (whether recreational, which is what the majority of people do Martial Arts do, or to actually train to fight). You need to instill that way of thinking when approaching competition. Take BJJ for instance, no slams in BJJ changes the ball-game because what's the mentality? What are you replicating? The context of BJJ changes when you have upright slams and throws. There needs to be some consistency with the wider context of how you fight (something which three of you were talking about).
2) I've seen belt systems be predicated on, and I think this is right, a level of perceived complication in a Martial Art, with the more belts meaning the more perceived complication (or at least this has been what I've seen). Boxing and Wrestling don't have belts but utilise more or less simple systems and repetitive moves (Greco-Roman has a lot of analogues with no gi Judo but doesn't use a belt system). The issue is, from my perspective, people want that progression, even though it may artificially be created, which is more of a statement of what people expect. People are more likely to go somewhere with that sense of progression rather than grind it out in a Wrestling or Boxing class.
My Sensei refused to sell belts or patches. We were ALL white until black...and it took years...there were two black belts in the dojo. I jokingly referred to them as "Student number one" and "Student number two"...lol. We were aware of our progress via our "dan" levels but never wore any outward sign of it...we were ALL learning and teaching. His dojo, AS A BUSINESS, took a hit for that but he really felt it was disingenuous, for him, to do otherwise.
6:47
Best sponsor ever
Lmaool jkjk
I’ve been doing tiaquando for about a year, and by December I’ll be a black belt. I’m in a accelerated program where I get a belt every month, obv I try hard but you can see where that would be very just go right a long. But I do have a tourney this Friday so hopefully I can put those skills to the test
Very interesting
a black belt within a year? Red flags I do declare. In BJJ it takes years! To get to black.....
@@petergriffin7121 Even back in the 90's it would take 8-10 years to get a TKD black belt!
@@yunggolem4687 Na I started last feb and I’ll be a black belt by December. Obv I’m not the best but I’m pretty good
@@SenseiSeth the place is Rodricks family martial arts btw
As a judo/jujitsu guy, I like to BJJ people a little bit of crap, but I really, really appreciated the thoughtfulness of Brian Glick's responses in this video.
Martial arts has awesome philosophy
5:46 !!
The monetization of karate, with its inherent marketing to children and accompanying emphasis on sport karate and competitions has definitely led to the watering down of the overall art. I started my karate training (a Uechi-Ryu dojo) in the early to mid 90s. Everybody there was a teenager or adult, and pretty much everyone was there because they wanted to learn how to fight. There were no children, all sparring was free, not point, and the contact was hard. There was hardly a class where I didn't come home with some bump or bruise, be it from iron-body conditioning or sparring (had my shin split open in one casual sparring session). Yes, we enjoyed it and had fun with the training (it's hard to stick with something you don't like), but self-defense was the primary motivation for pretty much all of us. In all that training I did not "perform" a single kata for competition purposes, and never point sparred. Fast forward over 20 years to my current karate training (a Shito-Ryu dojo) with my children. The instructor is a middle aged guy like me, who also grew up doing karate in a more traditional, old-school environment. He tries to incorporate as much self-defense into the classes as he can. But since he has to pay the bills, there are a lot of kids there (mine included), most of the sparring is WKF point-style, and there is a big sport emphasis in it. Even the other adults who are there are doing it more for the physical fitness aspect, or to do it as an activity with their children. The sad thing is that most of the kids get bored with the sport aspect and quit by their early to mid teens, so there's a constant need to replace the elementary and middle school kids with more elementary and middle school kids. I've only been at this dojo for 4 years (currently a brown belt, since it's not a belt factory) and I've lost track of how many kids I've seen come and go. I'm fortunate that my formative years in karate were in a different time period, so I can interpret a lot of my current training through a more traditional self-defense lens, which I also share with my children. But I know that me and my family are the exception, not the norm, in this regard. Sorry for the long post. I still love karate and get a ton out of it. Otherwise I wouldn't keep training or have my children do it. And my current school is good. I just miss the more traditional mindset, I guess.
I love my dojo. I practice taekwondo and I don’t love the speed they want me to go but it’s good training! Today I’m going to walk into my WTF (Olympic taekwondo) and I’m 100% going to get punched in the face like last week
Martial arts tend to get watered down in two ways, that both stem from them no longer being real-world combat arts. The first is that they become about self-development instead of self-defense. And the second is that they become sports, with rules, instead of self-defense.
Taekwondo and karate have notable differences, people misunderstand taekwondo thinking that taekwondo is all about kicking which is false, taekwondo also has punching techniques n stuff like that. When i become a purple belt i will upload a video of me showing what i learn
Belts are tricky. It's multi-purpose. There's a value implied to changing the color of the belt and that type of value depends on your point of view. If you run a school, upgrading belt levels are dangling carrots to keep the student engaged. It gives them something to shoot for. It's also a way to keep the student giving you repeat business and paying you month after month, year after year. It can be a hindrance, too. For example, one dojo outlines you'll make bb in 10-15 years with regular training and another dojo says we can give your bb in 3 or 4 years, on the surface of it, 3 or 4 years sounds better. Sounds cheaper, too. One student who values personal training more will choose the first dojo. Another student who might value their wallet more and/or achieving their bb quicker so they can say they're a bb and part of this exclusive, elite club will choose the second dojo.
In the martial arts world, we value belts as a measure of knowledge, skill level, or both. From the outsider's point of view, it's skill level alone. Imagine some bb in Karate or even Judo got their ass handed to them in a street fight by someone with little or no training. They expect that if you're a high level belt or a bb in some martial art, you shouldn't ever lose in a fight or have a tough time neutralizing your opponent. You're not a real bb. You bring shame to yourself and the martial art you represent for losing a fight. Not such tough shit, are ya? That's the problem. That's the perception. People think that a highly trained martial artist is invincible. If that person loses a fight in the street, it's shocking because it implies the martial art is worthless.
Being a trained martial artist doesn't make you superhuman. It's not fucking magic. Take the toughest martial artist ever. I don't care who. Rickson Gracie. Fedor. Karelin. Ali. Bruce Lee. Jon Jones. Hell, take any UFC HW in history. Whoever. Say they encounter a gorilla, tiger, or bear and must engage in combat. You have no chance. Zero. The only shot you have is the animal disengages or you escape somehow. The mission changes from fighting to win to fighting to survive, which is integral to any self-defense application. It's a re-education.
In martial arts tournaments and controlled fights, the goal is to win. In self-defense, the goal is to survive, first and foremost. Many BJJ schools are appealing to the sport aspect more and more and de-emphasizing survival and self-defense. While it helps spread the art more promoting it as sport, similar to Judo centered around the Olympics, it takes something away from it, too. With Judo, however, throws and takedowns are very much transferrable to street application and staying on your feet is a good thing so you can be more mobile, evade, and run away. I like the idea in of limited groundwork in Judo and Sambo. It's better for street. It promotes to finish the fight on the ground quickly. You don't want to be on the ground a long time in a real life situation. In that sense, sport BJJ is not optimal for self-defense. Many of the techniques don't transfer over well to MMA or street. You don't want to be on your back in a real fight. I don't care how good your guard is. Wont' do you much good if the guy is reigning punches on you and he's got his buddies as backup.
Youth, size, strength, athleticism, conditioning, situational awareness all play a part in a fight. And fighting an untrained opponent can often be much more challenging than a trained opponent. Could be striking or grappling. BJJer against another BJJer, there are certain tendencies and patterns in the course of the roll. You both have a common thread in how you fight one another. With an untrained opponent, there's no pattern. It's just pure chaos. They're not going to fight you like one of your BJJ partners during a roll. If you don't train for punches, you don't train for self-defense, and you don't train to simulate fighting against an untrained opponent, yeah, you just might get your ass handed to you in a real life encounter, regardless of your belt level.
It all depends on what school you go to.
As a kid in the 70’s, I took Tang Soo Do from a Chuck Norris school, pretty legit. As an adult, I took Jiu Jitsu from Rickson, very legit.
Both of those were hardcore basics as their fundamentals. Today, there’s so many of both and are not as hardcore.
chuck Norris lmfao
Well a little of everything might be the answer for mma or maybe its different for every individual using no way as a way be formless as Bruce lee would say
I personally usually say like this; if your martial arts lacks wrestling, headbutts, pugilism, elbows, kicks, knees, joint locks and/or chokes, you're doing Aikido.
And it's only to provoke a thought.
Great episode as always maybe I could mention also. :D
Hahaha it has to have all of those things or it’s aikido??
@@SenseiSeth As said in the edit, it's mostly to provoke thoughts in people if they are becoming to "specialized" and with all those problems coming along that mr Glick mentioned early in the clip (during the "Gentrification" part).
As long as people are prepared to do things outside their comfort zone sometimes atleast, no-one should complain.
I really enjoys like how you as a main striker goes to grapplers and they are open to do stand-up with you also, this exchange you people are doing is gold.
Ahhh, I see. I would definitely agree with this!
Honestly for a large part of it Martial arts have historically always gone into a slope where they get watered down in a safe society. take for example Fencing, the moment that the military application for swordsmanship disappeared the more routine fencing became till toady where sport fencing is barely a MA.
Same goes for Boxing , while boxing is still and effective MA since it teaches you how to take a punch and move, its a very different sport to what it was 200 odd year ago.
Tbh sometimes the sportified version of a martial art is a good thing as a way of bringing people into the Martial art where they can learn.
the problem I find with the black belt system for kids is that when they reach that rank they might feel like they don't have anything else to learn.
Honestly I know that if I get into Karate, (which I'm planning on doing once CV-19 lifts) I know I'm most likely never going to get a black belt, I know I'm getting into it purely for fitness, and getting into competition will be fun but will most likely be a bugbear since due to my bleeding disorder I'm going to have to check my bloods the week before any real sparring.
sorry for my disordered rant y'all
To the BJJ guy. You are smooth man. Smooth is fast, right.
Seth the best🙇🏻♂️
no u
@@SenseiSeth no u
Seth you get beat up alot I just notice that😂😂😂
Totally agree with the skin thing. I have to wear a mask and it always destroys my skin on top of bjj
Oof, yea I can imagine, traps a whole lot of sweat to the skin
I teach ITF Taekwon-Do and I agree with what you guys say. But you know who I really blame that all martial arts are starting to water down, the Federations and Associations itself. When the big guys are more interested in money, whatever happens under them is irrelevant, because if they really want to educate people of the real deal, they will spend money on advertisements, marketing, rules, bylaws that will apply not only to the ones joined but the ones that are not joined, help the schools that are paying the fees and memberships so people come to our schools. But since they don't own any of the schools, they feel that everyone is on their own.
But then you have someone like ATA (American Taekwondo Association) an they are a huge corporation, why, because they own the schools, they have a system that works on each school, they promote and market their schools, etc. So parents think that because they are the biggest they are the better, not knowing that these types of water down places, found a way on how to sell, trick you and cheap you out of your money and make you believe nothing else exist. That is why they do everything internal, tournaments, belt promotions, events, to keep their parents and students inside this bubble so they don't see outside.
Kata catches a lot of flack from grapplers. In Shotokan back in the day it was said that we would begin to learn our form after 1000 repetitions. I certainly passed that dictum on in kung fu. Forms are critical to building a strong technical base. People will say "you'll never do that on the street." Well I have incorporated techniques from forums and the drills we call lesser, which are pre set, and forms, into my personal fighting style in sparring, with great success. Also Katas build toward perfection, in that, their objective is a disciplined perfection of form.