Porsche 911 996 Ducktail Spoiler Review
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- The one mod on my car that I'm asked about the most... is the ducktail. And rightfully so as it's super cool, right?! I probably answer questions about it either in person, in a RUclips comment, or a Facebook/Instagram post at least 2 or 3 times a week! So here's a comprehensive answer to all the usual questions. Enjoy, and let me know your thoughts!
Link to where you can buy one just like mine…
www.betterbodiesmotorsport.co... 
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I think it was a good choice. The problem is that carbon fiber, when done correctly is quite laborous and the price creeps even unintentionally high. It’s not really the material which is the reason but the amount of hand work required. So then you price the product and it will easily be now over 2000-2500 euros/USD. Then you consider the 2500 is nothing if the car is worth 250 000 but it makes no sense in 25 000 car. And 996 while being an excellent value for money and a car that really does not depreciate, however, because of the production numbers it will never appreciate significantly either. And it is an old car you need love (read: spend money on maintenance). And probably the buyer, is not a guy who can spend 5000 USD on wraps snpping fingers whn he gets bored with the old wrap. Realistically a 996 owner may rationally have an annual budget of 2000-3000 euros/USD for the maintenance and he really has to consider where he puts his money for the best of the car. That is why you will find a lot of really un-superficial 911 owners in this owner group. 996 Carreras are not show off car but cars for true unpretentious Fahrspass.
Another on comment on the ducktail. It not only is efficient aerodynamically (as is the moving spoiler too) in regard with Cd (drag coefficient) and Clr (rear axle lift coefficient) it also improves the ventilation of the engine bay - significantly. It does that by incresing the pressure on top of the inlet. It is the pressure difference between the top of the rear hatch and underside of the engine bay which drives the ventilation flow. If you increase the pressure difference the ventilation volume flow increases. And the 911 engine bay is one quite hot place (typically 60..70 deg C) and the engines are known to have their … “characteristics” (scoring, IMSB, RMS, D-chunk, head cracks). Obviously alot you can do to increase the reliability of the engine is worth worth the effort.
The ducktail aero and the history are well documented in e.g. the Frere/Dron 911 -book. The story is that it was a systematic testing with bits in the old wind tunnet it was discovered and originally it was even higher and than what they brought out. The Porsche top family members did not like it but it was accepted for the homologation ‘72 Carrera RS as it was so significant for lap time. However, it was cut a bit shorter than what the racing department wanted.
Porsche has published some aero numbers of the duck tails and it truly is an effective device. We have produced very similar numbers in our CFD-research. The big help comes for rear axle lift as the 911 basic beautiful shape is quite problematic. The ducktail reduces rear axle lift by 86 % and drag by 5%. The Clr goes from 0.243 to 0.034 (in the book errorly calculated 0.05) and Cd from 0.316 to 0.30. There is still lift but significantly less with ducktail/spoiler. Personally, I am a professional aerodynamicists and I tend to believe the numbers although motor journo Chris Harris has expressed his doubts about them - but he is a good driver but not an aerodynamicist. Aero forces go up with the second power of speed and thus under, say 100 mph you really do not feel the difference . How you feel them is really against the car weight. And about 20 kg of lift at 100 mph on a car weighing 1400 kg is not very much to feel. It is only less than 1.5%. But then at top speed it is already 80 kg it is already close to 6% - and especially rear lift is considered problematic and here at top speed it has been brought from 170 kg to 24 kg with the duck tail/spoiler.
And than anaogy between the OEM spoiler and ducktail is just like stated. It is the trailing edge height of the form that is essential aerowise.
This is fantastic! I really appreciate you taking the time to share this. Quite validating! I’m pinning your comment so it stays at the top, and hopefully more people will read it. Thanks for watching!
Been a fan of duck tails since I saw a 73 RS way back then, hence my 991.1 had the sport design package with the duck tail, you did a fabulous job with your car looks fenomenal.
Thanks so much!
I’m a 997 driver. Love your 996. I’ve come from being a 996 hater, like most, to appreciating them. First the Turbo, then the C4S, and now Carreras. Yours is absolutely stunning and full of character. The wheels, the ducktail, the livery, the exhaust. It all comes together so well. You done good!!😂
Why thank you, Mr. Phresh! Ha. I appreciate the comments as always.
That thing looks great on the narrow body car. Love the look of the 996 AND ITS HEADLIGHTS.
*stands to applaud* EXACTLY
Guys and Gals... Michael is the GOAT! His car inspired me to buy the exact same ducktail on my C2 cab. I asked him about the install and he totally walked me through it all. He was such a help for me getting mine done right.
Respect, man. Thanks for everything! And cheers to us for buying this before it became a lot more expensive! I owe you. AND... it's really cool to see how Porsche is bringing the ducktails back again now. You're a friggin pioneer! :)
Ha. Well thank you, sir, and I was happy to help!
Thanks! I've been thinking of doing a ducktail install on my 996 and this has given me some great information.
Good to hear! I love the look of it over any other spoiler.
(Yoostacud see): Technical term when describing previous experiences 😂 love it 😊
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@@motorsandmeats88 one thing I don’t miss from Savannah is the “no see em’s” those little bastards bite.
I like the look of it. I like the whole “theme”
of your car. I’ve watched the RUclipsr you mentioned in the beginning. I love that green. In some ways, I wish I could customize my 996 more than I have. Since it’s a fairly low mileage car (35,000) I’m hesitant on doing anything more than I’ve done.
And yours is a 1998 build, right? I think those are the ones to start jumping up in value sooner than later.
Put a second nut on those bolts and lock the two together so they never come loose.
You are a driver and drive the crap out of your car. You chose the best option. The Carbon fiber is for garage queens or high net worth individuals.
That’s a great idea, Alberto. And yes I do! Sooo many oil changes 😂
So I was sold on this until it seemed like I wasn't getting solid responses from the seller. He took a day or 2 respond initially when I asked if it was in stock. He stated he had them but his painter hadn't primed them. I said I'll take it as is because I'm painting the entire car anyway. Than he said he was on vacation and couldn't mail it until he was back. That combined with the feedback score I just went ahead and ordered the DTM deck lid. They told me right up front it would be 3 weeks to build once ordered Than shipped, they also told me they were made in house not overseas. None of that mattered to me but the truthfulness of thier response did. There are alot of sellers who post items and state they are in the USA and you end up waiting for longer periods of time because they're not. They arrive from overseas. Sellers should always state the truth amd let the customer decide. There's plenty of parts I'll wait for and save money on. Some I won't. He might be on vacation and his painter might be ill but it just seemed like a story fabricated with each message as to why I couldn't get one . In the end I waited longer and paid more money just because I felt the seller was an honest person and would be easier to deal with if there was or wasn't a problem. But thank you for your help loved yours and wanted it as well you had sold one for them until I tried to buy it lol.
I’m glad you got yours worked out! The seller apparently is in one of the 996 Facebook groups I’ve just found out. He posted today that he has 22 back in stock now if anyone else reading this needs one. Side note: I’m not sponsored by the seller or anything 😬
I do love a ducktail spoiler on a 996. I have aerokit taco on mine. I love it too so she’ll probably stay. But I do think about getting a second deck lid with a different spoiler to mix it up sometimes.
I love that idea! What’s the spoiler that suits the mood of the day?🤔
Where's the roasted BBQ duck sandwich while you're talking duck tails?! Dude. Missed opportunity.
FACEPALM! Whatever was I thinking!!
Looks great to me
Thanks! I love the look, especially on a narrow body like this.
Great video! I want to buy that ducktail too but the link doesn't exist anymore :(
Thanks for watching! If you go to eBay and search for Porsche 996 duck tail, you’ll find it. It’s the first one that pops up. They’re showing a C4S as the cover photo now, but if you click on the ad for $399, and scroll through you’ll see pictures of my car there. Hope this helps!
Do you have an install video? I just bought this same tail. Thanks.
I sure don’t. I installed it before I started my channel. Are you on FB? You can message me there and I can talk you through the process with videos and pics.
Driving the wheels off that thing!! 😲
You know it! What’s your mileage up to?
@@motorsandmeats88 35k, I need to stop hoarding and start driving 🙄
Go go go!😬
How many miles did your car have when you got it?
It had 105,510 on December 29, 2019.
Thumbs up to the look, thumbs down to drilling.
To clarify though, the drilling was only into the new fiberglass ducktail spoiler. I used existing holes in the deck lid, marked where the holes needed to be drilled on the duck tail, and then drilled them.
You drill the duck tail not your lid. You use existing holes in your trunk lid and drill through the fiberglass tail.
@@craigwakefield618 exactly
Where does the water go :D
The same place it went before!
@@motorsandmeats88 So it's safe to drive it during the rain? It seems like rain could pour directly on to the enginge through those huge intake vents.
@davidbarukcic8364 absolutely. If you’ll go look at your current pop-up spoiler, you’ll see that it’s also wide-open and exposed to the elements. It’s fine.
@@motorsandmeats88 Cool thanks. The car with spoiler looks amazing ❤
@davidbarukcic8364 thanks! I love it. I sold this car a few months ago, and the buyer has since swapped out to Olins coilovers, a 997 GT3 short throw shifter, and is in the midst of upgrading the headlight internals to projector and LED while keeping the factory housing and lenses. I’ll catch up with him at some point this year and do an update episode on it.