A lot of love for the 997.1 and .2. The turbos in these models will at some point go silly crazy like the 993’s did, they’re classed as classics already, yes we are that old 😂 great vid, thank you.
@@Andy5c X-Codes are exclusive options you can fit your Porsche with. Mine for example has every trim piece made out of carbon, everything is leather, all contrast stitching is guards red, the speedo dials are guards red too etc etc. It even has a mechanical diff and spacer from factory
Had a 997.1 Turbo before, gorgeous car but I didn’t get on with the awd. Drive one before you commit. Recently got a manual buckets 991.2 GT3 and I absolutely love it. It’s a keeper!
i bought a 996 C4S Cabriolet recently. It's the newest 911 with the broad fat rear reflector bar look like that of the 993, 964 and G Series. For those who want that big fat rear light bar look, 996 C4S is also the only one with frameless doors. I completely covered the huge indicator lights, drilled a hole on the side of the rear tail lamp, and move the indicator bulbs down to emphasise the fat rear light bar look. Just did a 6,000km run-in to thailand's legendary Mae Hong Son loop with 4,088 corners with the car, after an engine rebuild that fixes the bore scoring and replacing the IMS with European Parts design.
The Taycan can't drop any more? What a foolish thing to say considering that all EVs depreciate like a rock, and will be valueless once their batteries come due for replacement.
A lot of good answers there but the Taycan isn’t going to stop going down anytime soon. In 10 years the battery will be shot and a replacement will probably write the car off
This video is one I always look forward to at the end of each year. Thanks, Lee…! With new (base) 911 Porsches pushing $150K (USD) there are plenty of great pre-owned options in the under $50K range. Next year consider adding a fourth category…under $25K, just to see what the experts think?
997.1 Turbo MT for me. Incredible amount of car for the £££. There are only 6 for sale on Autotrader. So seemingly getting rarer and rarer. I also get the feeling the Turbo badge meant a bit more on the 997.1 than on subsequent 911 iterations. The proliferation of the GT cars have perhaps cast a little bit of a shadow on the Turbo named models.
Even in the US 981GTS with a Manual is extremely rare. Currently there are only 4 listed for sale across the US with a manual and all are black or silver, except for one in Carmine Red. Not surprising as the 981 GTS had lower production numbers than the 981 GT4. @15:50
I had a manual 981CGTS, ordered from new in 2016. Sold it in 2018 to make way for a 991.2GT3 manual (ofc). I love the GT3 to bits, but man, I miss the 981 a lot, the realxed handling, the size, the sound!!!
I’m seriously considering a 997.1 3.8 . Only one that’s had a full rebuild however . I think the .1 look better and sound better than the .2 . I love the lobster claw wheels too .
Hi pal steel liners will not work on open deck blocks I have seen some good attempts and some poor attempts and a lot claim too be done by top builders ( but no proof)
@@Carrera-gp9od hi Carrera god only take on a harteck engine if you can get a s then throw on GT3 throttle body and a cotton panel filter and 200 cell cats and it's sound incredible I put the titanium exhaust on cut out over 25 kg
The 718 GTS 4.0 is the best sports car Porsche currently makes - handling, fun, daily, perfect size for UK roads, power you can exploit, gem of a N/A engine you can't get in modern 911's unless its a track GT. If you need to scratch the 911 itch you must,. I've enjoyed five (993, 997's, Turbo S etc), now have a GTS 4.0 Boxster which looks better than 911 Cab & drives better than most 911's.
Gen 1 does not have ims it's bore score it's in all engines and eventually will show up the gen two are getting on a bit now all over 12 years now and are suffering from things . I have a gen 1 997 4s and did the full lee Jenkins experience on all cylinders and it's the best way look for a car that needs a rebuild on a good price lots of hard graft but otherwise you will be in the mid 40s with something that will need work eventually overtime the all need shocks and and some coolant pipes. But a 4s is a cool drive .and there is lots of cars out there claiming the have had a rebuild don't touch a engine with steel liners on the rebuild I have had a failed rebuild good luck from Paisley
In the US the Porsche market is very inflated at the moment. A local dealership has a new Cayman GTS 4.0 marked up 20k over MSRP and would not budge on price. So I went and bought a 2007 997 Carrera 4 with cash and plan to drive it until the wheels fall off. Or until it developed bore scoring…
I have a 997 c2s gen 1 manual in fantastic condition and a lot of work done to it, and I love it. Yes, the turbo is insanely quick but for our roads, honestly I don't know why you'd bother... For the track, a Cayman S track prepared gen 2 and you'll have more fun than many other more expensive cars...
Why do you never mention base models. My base 997.2 is about the same performance as the 997.1s. But it is a much better car with the DFI engine, interior and suspension upgrades. The main point is the engine does not suffer from the .1 problems and is considerably more economical. I can get 60 mpg in a motorway cruise.
i believe 991.2 carrera T will increase in price in the following years. fewer made than gt3 and not just a stripped down carrera like some people say ;)
I think they 991.1 GTS will out perform most of the cars mentioned and you don't have to pay out the nose for it. It is the last 991 NA excluding the GT3 that you will enjoy driving and not let it sit in the garage. Life is too short!
As mundane a thought as it is, does some thought have to be given to the Euro rating of cars and thus their viability / usability with regards paying 'pollution' charges when travelling through the UK and Europe? As the moment, the 991 and 992 range which is Euro 6 is free of this charge.
Great video this. Really some advice, what would you go for out of these 3? Taycan 4s, 911 991.1 4s, 99.1.2 4s, or a Panamera 4 e hybrid, finally a 992 2s. What would people go for? Budget is around £50k- 65k
I'd probably go for the 991.1 C4S personally. For the budget you should be able to pick up a really nice example with a full Porsche OPC/specialist service hist and with a reasonably low mileage. You'll probably be comfortably under budget too.
@@niall3973 appreciate the advice. I really like the 991.4s, what colour would you go for? Also they look amazing with certain alloys, like a spoke design.
@@sirz258 It's an elegant car as opposed to flashy in my eyes, so I quite like the slightly subtler colours like Agate Grey Metallic and anthracite brown metallic. Not mad on Guards red for this specific model. Silver and Basalt Black are rather common. I quite like Plain Black. But certain combinations of Interior + Exterior and brake callipers just work perfectly, so I couldn't discount any combo. I really like the Carrera Classic and the Turbo Alloy wheels.
@@sirz258 I have a Manual 997.1 Turbo. I had a 997.2 C4S previously. There is a temptation to try 991 ownership but I'm not sure enough yet to make the move. I like the size and growing classic status of the 997. But 991 is probably the better daily car.
it's crazy how low your local market is low compared to France (thanks to our great ecological taxes...). Here you can add 25K to most of the prices I heard in this video for the same models...lucky you!
AM EVEN MORE CONFUSED NOW ON WHICH CAR I WOULD LIKE TO BUY FOR 100k??? I want to drive it to enjoy it and sell. It in 5yrs and hopefully not lose more than 25k when selling it
The 997 GT3 is definitely a car that will keep going up and eventually will double in price. They are currently a bargain compared to the RS and the driving experience is 99% the same.
Earlier Gen EVs will almost always plummet in value due to rapidly increasing tech. New ones have to cut price, which leads to the used mkt. That's just another reason this MAD RUSH to EVs is assinine!!!
I wouldn’t heat up new buyers for speculating with Porsches. They all will burn money, especially with all „new“ standard Porsche‘s such as 991 (especially with PDK) or 997 (even GT’s) or all Caymans. In a few years these are just „old“ ICE-cars as millions out there. If, THEN a real classic oil-cooled, manual shifted Porsche not later then 1998.
The 996GT3RS remains the best 911 that I have ever driven. The pinnacle analog driving experience
A lot of love for the 997.1 and .2. The turbos in these models will at some point go silly crazy like the 993’s did, they’re classed as classics already, yes we are that old 😂 great vid, thank you.
Great vid. The Taycan recommendation is absurd. They can absolutely drop more.
One only needs to look at the Panamera depreciation curve. Or any car in the same category.
Agree. The Taycan is a maintenance time bomb. Buyers are smart enough to know that. Once they are off warranty they will fall to nothing.
I wouldn’t buy any electric cars. They are a one time use and disposable after the warranty expires. Hell no!
They 💯 still are
I got myself this year a X50 manual 996 Turbo with the Aerokit and over 25 X-Codes. Best decision ever, ain‘t gonna sell that one ever
What's 25 x codes?
Some bit of kit only 60 turbos came too UK
@@Andy5c X-Codes are exclusive options you can fit your Porsche with.
Mine for example has every trim piece made out of carbon, everything is leather, all contrast stitching is guards red, the speedo dials are guards red too etc etc. It even has a mechanical diff and spacer from factory
Must be nice having money for such expensive toys, bro. Hope you actually take it out of the garage every once in a while 😂
@@AB0BA_69 yes, I have some other cars but have mostly driven the Turbo this year
997 GTS!
997 GTS Manual Coupe. Thats if you can find one! Buy it!
Had a 997.1 Turbo before, gorgeous car but I didn’t get on with the awd. Drive one before you commit. Recently got a manual buckets 991.2 GT3 and I absolutely love it. It’s a keeper!
i bought a 996 C4S Cabriolet recently. It's the newest 911 with the broad fat rear reflector bar look like that of the 993, 964 and G Series. For those who want that big fat rear light bar look, 996 C4S is also the only one with frameless doors. I completely covered the huge indicator lights, drilled a hole on the side of the rear tail lamp, and move the indicator bulbs down to emphasise the fat rear light bar look. Just did a 6,000km run-in to thailand's legendary Mae Hong Son loop with 4,088 corners with the car, after an engine rebuild that fixes the bore scoring and replacing the IMS with European Parts design.
Always find these videos entertaining and interesting... Especially with all the love for the 997.2s!
The Taycan can't drop any more? What a foolish thing to say considering that all EVs depreciate like a rock, and will be valueless once their batteries come due for replacement.
A lot of focus on investment. Why not buy the CAR you want to drive and have in your garage?
On the contrary, the narrative here has mainly been about value for money as an overriding theme.
A lot of good answers there but the Taycan isn’t going to stop going down anytime soon. In 10 years the battery will be shot and a replacement will probably write the car off
This video is one I always look forward to at the end of each year. Thanks, Lee…!
With new (base) 911 Porsches pushing $150K (USD) there are plenty of great pre-owned options in the under $50K range.
Next year consider adding a fourth category…under $25K, just to see what the experts think?
997.1 Turbo MT for me. Incredible amount of car for the £££. There are only 6 for sale on Autotrader. So seemingly getting rarer and rarer. I also get the feeling the Turbo badge meant a bit more on the 997.1 than on subsequent 911 iterations. The proliferation of the GT cars have perhaps cast a little bit of a shadow on the Turbo named models.
Even in the US 981GTS with a Manual is extremely rare. Currently there are only 4 listed for sale across the US with a manual and all are black or silver, except for one in Carmine Red. Not surprising as the 981 GTS had lower production numbers than the 981 GT4. @15:50
I had a manual 981CGTS, ordered from new in 2016. Sold it in 2018 to make way for a 991.2GT3 manual (ofc). I love the GT3 to bits, but man, I miss the 981 a lot, the realxed handling, the size, the sound!!!
I’m seriously considering a 997.1 3.8 .
Only one that’s had a full rebuild however .
I think the .1 look better and sound better than the .2 .
I love the lobster claw wheels too .
Hi pal steel liners will not work on open deck blocks I have seen some good attempts and some poor attempts and a lot claim too be done by top builders ( but no proof)
I like the Carrera classic wheels
I’ve seen one in a specialist
Hartech liners , pistons etc
I’m from Paisley too by the way 👍🏻
@@Carrera-gp9od hi Carrera god only take on a harteck engine if you can get a s then throw on GT3 throttle body and a cotton panel filter and 200 cell cats and it's sound incredible I put the titanium exhaust on cut out over 25 kg
You don't see to many round Renfrewshire there is one on auototrader in howood
The 718 GTS 4.0 is the best sports car Porsche currently makes - handling, fun, daily, perfect size for UK roads, power you can exploit, gem of a N/A engine you can't get in modern 911's unless its a track GT. If you need to scratch the 911 itch you must,. I've enjoyed five (993, 997's, Turbo S etc), now have a GTS 4.0 Boxster which looks better than 911 Cab & drives better than most 911's.
Have to agree I have the cayman version
Great insight from your experts. Happy New Year!
997 getting a lot of love. For 40k whats the one to get a gen2 (but cant be too fussy over spec at this price) or a well spec/manual gen 1???
The gen 2 has engine problems as well now that time is getting too them if you can get a 4 it's a great experience in all conditions
@DanDan-hj2pp oh really I thought it was just the gen1 with the IMS scoring issue!!
Gen 1 does not have ims it's bore score it's in all engines and eventually will show up the gen two are getting on a bit now all over 12 years now and are suffering from things . I have a gen 1 997 4s and did the full lee Jenkins experience on all cylinders and it's the best way look for a car that needs a rebuild on a good price lots of hard graft but otherwise you will be in the mid 40s with something that will need work eventually overtime the all need shocks and and some coolant pipes. But a 4s is a cool drive .and there is lots of cars out there claiming the have had a rebuild don't touch a engine with steel liners on the rebuild I have had a failed rebuild good luck from Paisley
@@DanDan-hj2pp
Paisley ?
@@DanDan-hj2ppwasn’t aware of that.
981 Cayman GTS
Manual 997.1 911 Turbo
In the US the Porsche market is very inflated at the moment. A local dealership has a new Cayman GTS 4.0 marked up 20k over MSRP and would not budge on price. So I went and bought a 2007 997 Carrera 4 with cash and plan to drive it until the wheels fall off. Or until it developed bore scoring…
Not a single word of the 944 turbo or 968? 928?
I have a 997 c2s gen 1 manual in fantastic condition and a lot of work done to it, and I love it. Yes, the turbo is insanely quick but for our roads, honestly I don't know why you'd bother... For the track, a Cayman S track prepared gen 2 and you'll have more fun than many other more expensive cars...
997.2 Turbo S….yes massively overlooked.
Massively overpriced. I’d rather a 992 c2s. The performance is probably similar but in a newer package.
@@stephenSF Overpriced within the Porsche range? Yeah ok, very informed opinion there!! Please go ahead, enjoy the 992 C2S.
@@stephenSF I’d love to hear the top 5 reasons why it’s ’massively’ overpriced. Please share.
Great video very interesting 👏🏽🥂
Im trying to buy manual 996 Carrera in 2024😌
Why do you never mention base models. My base 997.2 is about the same performance as the 997.1s. But it is a much better car with the DFI engine, interior and suspension upgrades. The main point is the engine does not suffer from the .1 problems and is considerably more economical. I can get 60 mpg in a motorway cruise.
60mpg? Really?!
UK prices are sweet in Australia we get smashed with Porche pricing on any year !
i believe 991.2 carrera T will increase in price in the following years. fewer made than gt3 and not just a stripped down carrera like some people say ;)
😂 Paragon picking the Carrera RS and the Carrera GT..... now I wonder what they have in stock at the moment🤔
Makes me wonder why when there’s far more classic cars but like you say they’re wanting to drive the price
Great end of year summary Lee. Have a good one
Great video to kick off the new year with.
993 if you can find one.
I'm just waiting on my porsche Cayenne gt turbo hybrid with all the extras hopefully early feb
Need advice. Is my low mileage , well specced fpsh 2015 991.1 n/a GTS pdk worth holding onto as an investment?
Sorry to say but no. For a full-tilt investment grade car you should look for a very rare GT car, or a model with a numbered-production run.
I think they 991.1 GTS will out perform most of the cars mentioned and you don't have to pay out the nose for it. It is the last 991 NA excluding the GT3 that you will enjoy driving and not let it sit in the garage. Life is too short!
hi love the 911 997 gen 2 and gen1
Great insight and some valued info. Many thanks
Man are the prices better in the UK vs the US, even after calculating the 27% currency difference. I'm jealous.
As mundane a thought as it is, does some thought have to be given to the Euro rating of cars and thus their viability / usability with regards paying 'pollution' charges when travelling through the UK and Europe? As the moment, the 991 and 992 range which is Euro 6 is free of this charge.
I have a cayman R pdk one of about 250 made ❤
Great video this. Really some advice, what would you go for out of these 3? Taycan 4s, 911 991.1 4s, 99.1.2 4s, or a Panamera 4 e hybrid, finally a 992 2s. What would people go for? Budget is around £50k- 65k
I'd probably go for the 991.1 C4S personally. For the budget you should be able to pick up a really nice example with a full Porsche OPC/specialist service hist and with a reasonably low mileage. You'll probably be comfortably under budget too.
@@niall3973 appreciate the advice. I really like the 991.4s, what colour would you go for? Also they look amazing with certain alloys, like a spoke design.
@@sirz258 It's an elegant car as opposed to flashy in my eyes, so I quite like the slightly subtler colours like Agate Grey Metallic and anthracite brown metallic. Not mad on Guards red for this specific model. Silver and Basalt Black are rather common. I quite like Plain Black. But certain combinations of Interior + Exterior and brake callipers just work perfectly, so I couldn't discount any combo. I really like the Carrera Classic and the Turbo Alloy wheels.
@@niall3973 what are you currently driving or have you got plans to buy a Porsche?
@@sirz258 I have a Manual 997.1 Turbo. I had a 997.2 C4S previously. There is a temptation to try 991 ownership but I'm not sure enough yet to make the move. I like the size and growing classic status of the 997. But 991 is probably the better daily car.
Phenomenal video!! Cheers!!
Still love my 718 great value for money 😊
Why there are only porsches from 50k because there are interesting porsches between 10 and 25k also.
Agree, 944 Turbo S for example
Category 1 is "best Porsche UP TO £50k"…
it's crazy how low your local market is low compared to France (thanks to our great ecological taxes...). Here you can add 25K to most of the prices I heard in this video for the same models...lucky you!
It will be a Taycan 4S with extended warranty when they crash to mid £30s (Q3)
Keep smoking what you have 😅
@@DanDan-hj2pp will do
😅😅😅
3.2 Carreras seem to be a great deal right now
AM EVEN MORE CONFUSED NOW ON WHICH CAR I WOULD LIKE TO BUY FOR 100k???
I want to drive it to enjoy it and sell. It in 5yrs and hopefully not lose more than 25k when selling it
Great cars to buy as an enthusiast to keep and drive, but 2024 going to be a really bad year for investors…….
Porsche 928. Only sports car ever to win Car of the Year
Great video
The 997 GT3 is definitely a car that will keep going up and eventually will double in price. They are currently a bargain compared to the RS and the driving experience is 99% the same.
Earlier Gen EVs will almost always plummet in value due to rapidly increasing tech.
New ones have to cut price, which leads to the used mkt.
That's just another reason this MAD RUSH to EVs is assinine!!!
Taycan vs a GT3, hmmmm... is this suppose to be a hard choice? Electric cars are like computers, the older tech will always suffer.
I wouldn’t heat up new buyers for speculating with Porsches. They all will burn money, especially with all „new“ standard Porsche‘s such as 991 (especially with PDK) or 997 (even GT’s) or all Caymans. In a few years these are just „old“ ICE-cars as millions out there.
If, THEN a real classic oil-cooled, manual shifted Porsche not later then 1998.
Taycan looks crap
Porsche overpriced
Appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos! 👍
Great content