Everything To Know Before Buying A Vintage Air-Cooled 911- Expert Porsche Pre-Purchase Inspection
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- ►The air-cooled 911 is one of the hottest classic vehicles on the market. It's a seemingly solid investment for some and a long-time dream for others. For the same reasons people love them-the air-cooled flat-six, good suspension, and iconic looks-they have relatively particular service requirements and unique systems that don't necessarily match with more contemporary vehicles. For that reason, heading into a situation where you might purchase one without knowing the quirks and common faults of a vintage 911 can lead to you making a costly mistake.
It doesn't have to be that way, though, as there are lots of experts who can help. Within five minutes of our Connecticut HQ is Butzigear, a renowned Porsche independent shop in the Northeast, and they've lent us one of their experts to walkthrough the 3.2 Carrera we have in the shop for a Pre-Purchase Inspection. Also known as a PPI, an inspection is one of the best ways to protect yourself from a falsely advertised example. They are best done by a dealer or independent shop, but not if you can access the same information.
Watch as Butzigear's Master Technician, Luke Armshaw, performs a PPI on a 1988 911 3.2 Carrera coupe.
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Master Tech Overview
01:24 - Making Sure the Lights & Controls Work
04:00 - Front Trunk & Battery Inspection
07:39 - Engine Bay Inspection
11:56 - Suspension & Brakes
19:50 - Undercarriage
25:08 - Wrap-up
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Looks like we have some DIYs to make on this one.... 🤔😁
What a pleasure to watch. Thanks for FCP for not gumming up this video with shitty B roll and unnecessary music. Thorough, to the point, and well articulated. Hoping to get more of these in the future!
More like this coming - glad you enjoyed the format!
Holy shit! You buy a $70k 911 and you spend $40-$50k to get it back to OEM condition?
Great video BTW and learned a lot!
This guys presentation skills and detail to what he is doing is spot on. I don’t even own an old 911 and I was hooked 😂
The goal was for anyone to be able to learn/enjoy from it!
Deeply impressed. Narrated with passion, professionalism and experience. Sure, you can drive a Porsche and have fun. But this guy nails the fact that to enjoy the near mythical final 10% you have to cut no financial corners. Brilliant video. Possibly the best Porsche video on RUclips.
Wow really appreciate the kind words - and glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the competent inspection. Wouldn't wanna have to pay the bill, though!
I purchased a 1972 911S sunroof coupe in 1983 with 70,000 miles Cali car, silver black leather with factory sport seats, paid $8,750, had the engine rebuilt to 2.7L RS specs, rebuilt everything including the TBs, mechanical injection with the RS space cam, cad plated and powder coated everything, went through all the other mechanicals, car was close to concourse, sold it in 1991 one of my biggest mistakes of many, also had a 964 and sold that before they exploded in price, I now have a 2008 E60 M5 that is close to perfect with a fully built 5.8L stroker motor that I will not sell, hopefully learned my lesson, still love Porsches…
Go back and find another air cooled 911. Dump the BMW. It’s not even in the same league.
This video was amazing and insightful. That said, it sure scared me away from ever contemplating 911 ownership unless I suddenly become independently wealthy. Apparently that is an unavoidable prerequisite.
At this point its hard to get into one of these cars "Reasonably" without a plan to spend a decent amount of time , money, and effort bringing it back to its former glory. That said - its so worth it 😅
It's amazing how similar this car is underneath to the Karmann Ghias I used to have 25 years ago - just like perfected versions of the KGs. The Ghias had all the same intricacies, so many details are exactly the same, all the way down to the little wool pad in the shaft of the distributor and the colorful ceramic fuses in the frunk. The biggest difference is that 410 lbs six cylinders engine in the back instead of a 150 lbs, 60 HP flat four.
Everything else in the car looks the same - just beefed up.
Thanx for a very good presentation!
Excellent video! The insight, the advice, the education. Thanks for producing this.
Our pleasure Billy!
This is so much fun to listen to this guy. Thank you
happy you enjoyed it!
that was a great overview of what to do on a PPI for lots of cars. I'll have to go over all this next time I have my mini up on jack stands.
Awesome video 😎😎😎💯👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Love it! Would be great to see more of these types of videos for other enthusiast cars
We are happy everyone is digging the format, more to come!
Bought hunk of trash E30, should have also purchased FCP Euro stock because they now claim half my income.
@@bennyb.1742 bahaha sorrry! We are only trying to help 🤣
Very, very good information. Much applies to any classic.
You're right - a lot of what was covered here can be used to inspect any classic really!
Really nice video! Only thing I would have added is places to check for rust and accident damage. Nice to see Mr. Butzi Gear
thank you very nice presentation
I couldn’t even afford a scuffed rust bucket 911 why am I watching this
We all have the same bug inside of us.
Great video 👌🏿. Never knew about the battery tube for ventilation. I’ll be checking this on mine. I have not had issues and have had the car for some years.
Thanks for sharing some invaluable tips much appreciated from UK🙏🏿
Happy to help - and if it needs replacing you know where to come!
I had an 83 and an 88- I definitely recomend a 3.2 car 84 to 89 for reliability
Good video - down to earth and what I can determine very accurate.
We are lucky to have Luke right around the corner from us!
Old mate's a freekin ninja no doubt about it..... cheers from NZ....
Great video, inspired me to go down to the garage and do the same inspection on my '87 cabrio! Do you guys at FCP recommend Valvoline VR1 20W50 or Mobile 1 15W50 in these 3.2 Carreras? Mine has Mobile 1 but leaks quite a bit :(
Wow that was a nice thorough PPI from someone who knows their way around a 911. This car is an amazing survivor. Likely needing $8-10K+ right out off the top if you needed to take it to a shop. PPI SO important! Clean, example and lots of fun projects for someone. My very first 911 experience was a 87' Gbody car--white with burgandy! Beautiful.
Really a prime example, we admittedly had hoped to show something in a bit rougher shape haha!
Not surprised FCP Euro is now making cool car content on RUclips... always enjoyed buying parts from there when I had my E30. And that warranty is legendary!
Funny enough w've been on youtube for over 13 years primarily creating DIY's - thanks for your support as a customer! ruclips.net/channel/UCS49P-SYzk08DDs9wMi6TZg
Sharing time. As an owner of an 88 Targa (I really want a white coupe like this one!!!). I can say that one will be spending a ton of time and money (insane money if a shop does the work) on almost any used G series 911 if you want a it sorted. I got mine for a really good deal a few years ago from a business associates wife that had it sitting in a garage for 5 years ($30k and l'm lucky that there was zero corrosion as it was stored property). Fast forward 3 years and $24k later to get it fully sorted and I'm only 90% complete (most of what is left is minor interior and the AC system). Sadly, if you are in the market for one, I would figure an engine rebuild if it has not been done. My engine was at 92,000 miles was running great with lots of little leaks (all of these cars leak), but I got a fuel line leak which required removing the all the intake off to repair. When I started the work I noticed all the electrical connections, hoses, etc. were all cracked and nasty. So I bit the bullet and pulled the engine and sent it off for a proper rebuild to replace all those old bits, as I felt I would be chasing little gremlins if I didn't do it right. Amazing car, but not for the faint of heart. But the prices for these are still pretty high, considering that the vast majority will need significant work to be properly sorted.
Always buy pre-1974 .The problem is there just aren't many left.
FCP Euro are great for guys like me!..for parts at great prices and best of all the shipping costs and minimal time of delivery here in Australia is the best!..Thanks FCP Euro.
Please do one for the e46m
I have to say my experience on my 1966 was a total nightmare …. Loved staring at it ing the garage, lol but was down most of the time
Sooo at the point its just like enjoying a painting hanging on the wall - nothing wrong with that 😅
When I bought my 1987 911 convertable 3 years ago, the guy had $35,000 worth for receipts. Rebuilt, motor and G 50 five speed
Wow.... still have it?
Excellent video. Just underlines the importance of a PPI by a reputable Porsche specialist. Interested to know what is the estimate on fixing the priorities?
We will be producing DIY's and a little build series on this car - so more to come along those lines!
As bad as I would love to own an air cooled I guess I’ll keep my 05.
Forget the Porsche. I need the FLASHLIGHT info at 14:05 !
Reading the comments I had no idea Porsche owners were so defensive about the brand, great cars if you have the disposable income to maintain them though
They never were cheap rides...
Assuming the engine doesn't need work I would look at everything else after. OIL OIL OIL. and related problems need to be addressed even before considering buying the car. The 3.0 is your car.
I’m looking to buy a rolling body and chassis. No need for interior or engine or wires. If it looks like it’s supposed to I’ll Frankenstein the rest.
Excellent. I learned a lot. But can I retain it?😂
Thats what the replay button is for 😅
Air cooled 911's are so expensive that there aren't many neglected examples out there anymore. This has dramatically changed in the last 10 years after the prices skyrocketed. It was completetly different when you could buy an air cooled for 25K. Those days are long gone.
Bought an 89' coupe fron a small P car dealer in late 2019. Paid $68K which was good money for one of these at that time. Car appeared to be a high level driver. Zero rust, pristine interior, nice paint. Had a PPI done at a reputable So Cal shop. Was told solid car that is ready to be driven. Put a few hundred miles on it over the next month. It started smoking on start up for extended periods. Took it to my local P car shop thinking that the runners were going to need to be replaced. I was right. Bad runners. As he opened up the engine though he found there was wide spread corrosion inside the engine. Pistons, valves, cam, heads, timing chain... Essentially everything on the inside was shot. Full engine rebuild. That is making a very long story very short but the point is that you are still taking a chance even when you pay good money for a nice car. No one is going to disassemble an engine for a PPI. Would be too expensive. No owner would ever allow that anyway.
You never know what is inside the engine until you open it up, and you may have to write a big check when you do. A full engine rebuild on an old 911 is much more expensive than an old muscle car rebuild. Maybe not Ferrari levels in price but getting there.
@@overbuiltlimitedgreat story, but what the guy above said is true as well. have a nice day!
@@overbuiltlimited Wow. Crazy. How can the engine rust from inside like that? Maybe it has been standing for years?
@@detonator2112 The car came with a big binder of receipts. It had a lot of maintenance over the years. The owners didn't skimp. What we found was that the owner who the dealer bought it from drove the car very little. That guy owned it for six years and only drove it a few hundred miles a year. We think he was using it for very short trips that did not allow the engine to get up to temp. Also, the car would sit for months so there was probably water in the engine caused by fuel breakdown. The water went to town on the internals and corroded everything.
@@overbuiltlimited Ok. I understand it if it had been in the road salt areas. That kills the cars because the salt goes everywhere. I live in Scandinavia and pretty much only Volvos are built for these conditions. Old Volvos better as they are not so full of electronics. No sane person drives their air cooled 911's during the winter here.
#1 You should have bought a mid engined porsche
The engines are not tough like a V8 , mine broke head bolts when i thrashed it
‘The good transmission?’ Must mean the one built by Porsche.
lol, do everything! No big deal! 😂
When the engines goes out it will become a lawn ornament
I’ve owned a few air cooled stay away unless you have a LOT of extra money
There is always something, unless of course you don’t use it
My guess is there is at least 10 grand of repairs on this car
So what? Once they’re done, they’re the best drive on the road. I own a 997.2 Turbo S and a 930 Turbo. I’ll take the 930 all day if I had to pick.
Queen examples “only” mentioning cars and bids? There’s a couple other places. Probably. Sponsored? Master Doug in your ear?
As any other enthusiest we parouse all our options as mentioned forums, FB marketplace, C&B, BaT, Hagery Classifieds, Your Neighbors yard!
Why are these things so expensive? There are millions of them around and they aren't particularly great cars.
You’ve obviously never owned one. “They aren’t particularly great cars” is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen. There’s nothing else like them. And there aren’t a million of them. There are a million water cooled 996’s and beyond (if you even know what that means). Leave the air cooled classics to the big boys and stick with your Kia.
@@NewpsBeach22 The fan has been hit... Man, don't take it so seriously: chill!
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So basically $15k worth of work lol
EVERTYTHING? Does that mean learning how to make the income required to buy too?? 😜
Thats for a future video 😂
A superficial inspection that just touches on the peripherals 😢. Start with the serious core issues. Structural rot and accident damage. Then compressions, and oil pressure when hot. These are serious issues $$$$$ to put right and are what define a good car from bad. Brakes, suspension bushes etc etc are cheap to rectify in comparison. A bent or rotted car or one down on power or oil pressure would cause me to walk away. Not these peripheral issues such as brake calipers or arb bushes!!!😮
Great video about what to check on...well pretty much any old car. The presenter is kind of annoying though.
All old "classic" 911s are money pits. The older the car the deeper the pit.
If it leaks ill just Ls swap it
Its a simple math equation really. 😁