Apple Agrees to Turn on RCS for the iPhone!
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
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It's nice to see Apple finally adopting current hardware and software standards
Not by choice, but a nice thing to see
@@CatholicShrimp That's the irony in my post.
The FBI and CIA will love it too
finally being forced to adopt*
I think apple has finally understood what android users have really wanted for ages and how to do it better.
At least EU keeps these companies in check
Tru, cause we know the US won't.
@@acecarpenter502the Internet is just a series of tubes, right Congress?
USA won;'t do it cause they want all to use apple because is a american company @@acecarpenter502
In the US we had a lot of freedoms protected in our founding documents that I’m sure the EU citizens are envious of but very little has been done to protect consumers from abusive business practices and poisonous food. It’s a disgrace and the EU is miles ahead of the US in protecting their people from the most nefarious business and food practices.
@@Sweetskis freedoms for white landowning males*
Apple: Introducing a new feature RCS on iPhone, a whole new next level of messaging.
😂😂
lol
Wow what an original comment!
a 2008 tech, sms and mms are way back from the 1998
They won’t call it RCS. It’ll be something like Hyperactive Messages aka HAM
Encrypted in transit: the communications every step of the way are encrypted, but it's not constantly the same. For example, it could be encrypted from your phone to your RCS server of choice. Then encrypted from your RCS server to your recipient's RCS server, then finally encrypted from that RCS server to them.
So at least one of the RCS servers is aware of the traffic going through it.
Yeah if there's an explicit decision not to call it end to end that implies that it's decrypted at some point
Yep, it is in the GSMA RCS Universal Profile v2.4 chapter 16. The service encrypts network connections between the computers that handle RCS messages (using HTTPS or IPSEC). So, between the servers that handle the messages, and I believe also between the clients and servers.
So, it is encryption for every network connection that needs to be made while moving each RCS message through the network. A hop-by-hop encryption, if you will. And in-between, on these servers, the messages are available in the clear.
Google has implemented end-to-end encryption (E2EE) in their messages clients to make sure that even the servers don’t see clear text messages (see “Messages End-to-End Encryption Overview Technical Paper”, February 2022).
Apple could of course do the same. But to make their E2EE work with Google’s E2EE, they need to cooperate on this.
And who pays for this? Google has already paid (and they are probably in maintenance mode for this now), and Apple is catching up. Ultimately, the users of their mobile device products pay, by buying those devices. The messaging services that come with them are selling points for their products, and I am sure the provisioning of these services are priced into the device prices. And for messages sent, customers pay their mobile network providers.
Feels to me this is intentional so Apple has a simple thing to explain to the general public that iMessage is more secure.
Encrypted in transit means that your messages can be decrypted at the server. End-to-end means only the end devices can decrypt it. Simple.
Bro you’re talking about Google. They profit off of collecting user data. Y do you think Google assistant is better than the competition? Why is Google maps better? Exactly. The collect and keep all your data and will happily hand it over to law enforcement and prob hands it over to anyone if the money is good.
Ain’t nothing encrypted when it comes to Google.
End-to-end encryption (E2EE) in RCS (Rich Communication Services) messages means that the message content is encrypted on the sender’s device and can only be decrypted by the intended recipient, ensuring privacy. Encrypted in transit refers to the protection of messages as they travel between devices but may be decrypted at certain points like servers.
So, the key distinction is whether the message content remains encrypted throughout its entire journey (end-to-end) or if it’s only encrypted while in transit between devices. End-to-end encryption provides a higher level of security and privacy.
Finally found this comment, I was sure someone posted it. Thank you
So WhatsApp is more secure because it is end-to-end and RCS uses inferior encryption? Is it less secure than WhatsApp?
@@WenderHurteronly more secure than standard RCS. Google added end to end for their version of it. Basically it’s apple being a brat as usual
Google's e2e encryption implementation actually uses the Signal protocol, not anything proprietary
@Potatobitz there's no reason for them to change it. The signal protocol is very good. It's used by whatsapp and fb messenger secret conversations as well. Have you seen an article saying that google changed it?
@Potatobitz it’s still true today according to wikipedia. In fact, group messages e2e was only introduced a few months ago
That still means it's not standards compliant with RCS, hence why Apple didn't want to implement it
@@user-ee4dt7tq3k learn the difference between privacy and encryption
@@user-ee4dt7tq3k Android mics, maybe. The whole phenomenon of "I was just talking about X and now I get ads for X" was just a myth to me until I started living with someone who had an Android phone.
I think Apple made this move, because they realized that splitting messaging into essentially two different camps (iMessage between iPhones and RCS on android) would basically motivate users to search for app, that would be universal across all phones. It would essentially motivate users to use telegram, WhatsApp or whatever else. So it’s better to implement RCS so that people are not motivated so much to leave iMessage behind and in the meantime, they are going to innovate in iMessage so that it would be better than RCS
I think this issue of green bubble vs blue bubble kind of thing is mostly a US societal issue. Outside of the US, it's not as much since most people use third party messaging apps like WhatsApp, Viber, Telegram, and even Messenger
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Apple already split people between iMessage and sms.
They're probably just upgrading in anticipation that sms will go away.
I don't think this is it though because they already had that competition with third party apps - the market they're controlling that's demanding blue bubbles don't really think of WhatsApp and such as options.
It probably is regulatory, even if they're not being forced yet they're probably anticipating some action to force them and trying to get some good PR for it
They should really have a third color for RCS because they'll still be a lot of people using Sms and the experiences are so different that I'd be really good to differentiate them
Does imessage say what it is next to it? My android will say mms or sms or whatever in small text next to the message.
@@tomrwillsif the message turns to sms or mms it will always turn green.
@@tomrwillson top of a group of chat bubbles it says via iMessage or via SMS
SMS will eventually be discontinued in US atleast because it already runs on the internet so no need for it.
Yeah there’s times iMessages turn green and become just a text message even from iPhone to iPhone if the cell service or internet downgraded or got lower.
In-transit means that the protocol being used is secure/encrypted. For example, SFTP or HTTPS is the secure protocol version of FTP or HTTP. There are two types of encryption in the data transfer world, in-transit encryption and encryption-at-rest. Encryption-at-rest means the data is encrypted on the device or file system/storage. So basically, when the text messages are being transferred/routed, they are being sent via a secure channel/protocol, however, the data itself is not encrypted. In other words, the tunnel where the data travels is "unbreakable". If it makes you feel better, I work for the largest software vendor in secure file transfer in the world.
So is the term in-transit equivalent to a TLS? I could be wrong but I think TLS is supposedly securing the communication between the sender and receiver.
@@Kurotaka_ yes! That is correct.
Technically end to end is still a form of in transit encryption (the term doesn't imply that the data is encrypted at rest on your phone), it's just more specific that only the clients on either end can access the data, and not any of the intermediate servers
Or how a traditional client to corporate network VPN works. Where the tunnel is encrypted, but the data pass through it, is not. @@bosstowndynamics5488
This explanation deserves to be at the top more than the one that's at the top right now
We can thank the EU for this most likely. Same as USB-C. However, like Marques said, this likely won't change much as Apple will do everything to minimize interoperability with Android devices -- walled gardens has been their business model ever since Jobs came back in 97. I used to be an Apple fanboy until they started locking things down and taking choice away from users. I'm glad Apple exists and is successful, but I prefer more open platforms like Linux.
You had me there till you said Linux
We can also thank the EU for handing Google a monopoly on browser engines. It's been downhill since GDPR and I wish they'd stop sticking their oar in
@naveenchowdhury5974 Why the hate for linux? Lot of servers run off linux and it's powerful more than enough for 90% of casual users. Tons of distros for different purposes and efficient on hardware.
@@kwl189You have literally just explained the most fundamental issue that Linux has which is the level of fragmentation. If I find a guide for installing software on Ubuntu, it's not guaranteed to work on Pop! or Manjaro ETC. People just want an OS that works and Linux just is not there as a desktop OS yet. It's great for systems built on it that can avoid fragmentation (like the Steam Deck) but it's not user friendly enough
My phone my choice.
It makes a difference when you understand that messages are never sent directly from one end user to the other, but rather have some mediators along the way. end-to-end encryption is a special protocol that ensure that all mediators along the way cannot decrypt the message, as opposed to in-transit-encryption, which means that all messages are encrypted in-transit, but not at rest (when stored on the mediator storage for example)
It’s perfectly feasible to have a standard that carries your text encrypted and-to-end even in that scenario. It’s been done since forever with emails and GPG/PGP, albeit “manually”.
Cheers.
For me the only dislike with green texts is indeed all the lacking RCS support. Once it’s there I couldn’t care less.
I heard that only Americans have this problem right? Cause as far as I know, most of my friends who use iphones defaults to Whatsapp either way
@@AAmxsthis is true. The bubble color thing is only an issue because of the differences in how the US and the rest of the world charge for data and text plans. In the US unlimited texts plans have been very common in most popular cellular deals, while in the rest of the phone using world data seems to be cheaper than in the US.
The other factor is Apple being assholes and US citizens are petty and uneducated.
This was apples fault tho. It was to purposely make you buy an iPhone. And it definitely worked on kids and teens the most. And yes Americans mostly have this issue. Cause they rather use the stock iMessage app on iPhone which doesn’t usually work well with texts from an android. That’s what rcs is going to fix. Some people here still will uses WhatsApp or something else to text iPhone to Android if they need to but many do make a big deal about it here since there brains are the size of a lentil bean
The one thing I like about texting is that like emails it's not a platform, there's no company like Meta that can screw it up or mess with it. And like with emails you should be able to use a client/app that you like on any device
In transit encryption means SSL certificate, but not end to end means it's not stored in the persistence layer encrypted. So, it's just sitting in a database or hard drive somewhere unencrypted.
How disappointing it’s 2023
@@breezydagreat12To be fair, it's hard to design an E2E encryption scheme for company-agnostic messages that can be formalized in a spec that the industry is happy with. It has basically never been done before.
E2E encryption for messaging within an individual company's ecosystem is trivial in comparison.
So many things you guys said, I have no clue about. Gatekeepers and RCS.
I don’t know anyone that dose t use WhatsApp.
@@207GTBEEI don't know anyone who does use Whatsapp
@@207GTBEE FACEBOOK is another Gatekeeper with WhatsApp. It's the same thing
I wasn’t surprised by RCS coming to iPhone because it was being pushed to be 3GPP standard, and Apple is very involved in that, so they’re gonna want some control of implementation guidelines
And 5g logo can now be official instead of a great value version
That and they were about to get regulated into it.
The reasoning behind GSMA not requiring end to end encryption was the assumption (when the standard was created) that the carriers would have to be the intermediate and decrypt in order to know where to direct it. End to end encryption can only work when the sender knows the receiver. Since we are all using Google RCS currently, it's possible. But GSMAs idea of Carriers being the host meant that Verizon would need to decrypt it to know to send it to the AT@T customer.
The terms "Encrypted In Transit" and "End-to-End Encryption" refer to different levels and methods of securing digital communications, such as SMS messages. Understanding these differences is crucial for appreciating the security level of a messaging system.
1. Encrypted In Transit:
- This means that messages are encrypted as they travel over the network (e.g., the internet or cellular networks) from the sender to the receiver.
- The encryption typically occurs as the message leaves the sender's device and is decrypted when it arrives at the recipient's service provider or server.
- The key aspect here is that while the message is protected against interception during transit, the service provider or server through which the message passes has the ability to decrypt and read the message.
- For SMS, standard text messages sent over cellular networks are usually encrypted in transit. However, they can be accessed or read by the service provider.
2. End-to-End Encryption (E2EE):
- In this scenario, messages are encrypted on the sender's device and only decrypted on the recipient's device.
- The key feature of E2EE is that no intermediary (not even the service providers or the servers that facilitate the transmission of the message) can decrypt and read the message during its transit.
- This type of encryption provides a higher level of security, as it ensures that only the intended recipients can read the message.
- Traditional SMS does not support end-to-end encryption. This level of security is typically found in modern messaging apps like WhatsApp, Signal, and Telegram.
In summary, while "Encrypted In Transit" protects messages during their journey through a network, it does not prevent access by service providers or intermediaries. "End-to-End Encryption," on the other hand, ensures that only the communicating users can access the message content, offering a significantly higher level of security. Traditional SMS messages, due to their inherent network architecture and standards, do not support end-to-end encryption.
@@Funkteonthank you for the explanation. Is iMessage or android rcs to another android rcs considered end-to-end encryption?
@@WardoUSANo - the standard does not support end-to-end encryption. That was by design. It could be built on top of it but it is not a part of the standard being used so it is not possible without bolting something on top of it or switching to something else.
What if they instead encrypted recipient data in transit and the message content end-to-end? Look, many people are tired of this phrase is various contexts, but it's very very valid when it's about IT: "if they wanted to, they would". The limits to IT are quantum mechanics and your imagination. Nothing else. I'm saying this as a software developer.
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12:53 😅 They could do many things that I can't think of to make the new iPhones better. The next iOS update sounds exciting. I love how Apple tried to be independent but over the years they got comfortable agreeing with other companies.
I mean, it sounds like they don't have a choice, they can't loose all European customers
Apple does many things but phones are meant to communicate with each other. Apple refusing to work with anything outside of iMessage was almost entirely marketing decision based on the idiotic bubble colors and making it difficult for Android users to send data and work correctly in group chats. They have emails from executives where they admit this.
I completely agree, but I do like the direction they are heading in. Even though it is forced on them by the eu, I really like what they are being forced to do and the steps they are taking to make it seamless. I also switched to iphone because it was nice to see apple change the direction they are heading in!
@@SaintKinesexactly! It was very anti consumer and was on purpose! Look at all the kids that like these overheating super obnoxiously loud pieces of crap phones lol it can’t even keep a signal without resetting the bars all the time sorry not sorry I tried iPhone and it ain’t for me. I like my androids. Emulation is one of my favorite things and that’s way easier on androids while iPhones are on their way to being more side load friendly who knows if that still will be a process.
I hope this is implemented in a way that iPhone users don't need to turn RCS on. Otherwise, it essentially doesn't work since most iPhone users don't seem techy or interested enough to actually find out how to turn it on and then go and do it.
Hopefully, Apple has an update that just forces it on, and then if people want to, they can turn it off (they probably won't because of my last paragraph). I guess we will see
Unfortunately from all the comments I've seen on tiktok, some are strongly against the notion of "being forced" to adopt rcs because they really dislike people who use Android.
I agree that it should be implemented as being on as the default option, but iSheep will cry about it. And Apple may foresee this and implement it but while still keeping rcs messages as a shade of green to keep the iSheep happy.
@hugthynug4081 I believe it. It seems many Apple users would even take a thoroughly inferior if it was made by Apple. What exactly is the issue they have with using RCS? I guess they would rather lag behind the rest of the world in the name of, "but iMessage is better!"
@@hugthynug4081 well suck to he them but carriers could just kill SMS and hipster fanbois can suck it.
@@hugthynug4081Most normal people do not give a fuck, I assure you
@@hamzerpanzer They are the normal people, being normal is "fitting in". And Apple users are addicted to fitting in
This is not a really big thing in India. Whether Android or Apple, we all use WhatsApp 😊 so no issues of green blue etc.
Same for Germany. iPhone users use WhatsApp here. Many use Telegram as well, but keep in mind that default chats in Telegram are NOT encrypted at all, stored on some Russian servers where nobody knows how they're financed.
@@rausbclarification: the messages are stored in encrypted form in the Russian servers(just not e2e encrypted). What that means is that, telegram has the key to decrypt that message so they can decrypt and read it if needed. It's not stored as plain text.
Same in all Latin America countries.
Same in the UK
Right
The funniest part of all is that Apple didn’t even had to move a finger with the Nothing Chats app lmao it just fell down by itself
Before Apple could even peek out the window at it it was born, lived, died, and its dust lost to the wind.
Pretty dumb idea lmfao
14:29 That button does glow when you say it, with the serenity face expression 🤣🤣🤣
Hearing Nothing/Sunbird used HTTP (not HTTPS) made me gasp. That with storing stuff in plaintext is beyond irresponsible and negligent.
So looking at the information available. Apple is refusing to use Google's end-to-end encryption with RCS, but is working with GSMA to create an RCS encryption standard instead, which would actually be beneficial, since it wouldn't be encryption wholly handled by one company.
Edit: For clarity, the end-to-end encryption we have with RCS on Android is a Google extension of the RCS protocol.
So that confirms it.
Hell really did freeze over...
Na it was the EU telling Apple do it, or we will make you do it through even more laws, or you won't be able to sale your products here that don't comply.
They waited till the final day they had left too😂
I don’t care about the color of the bubble, I just want better group chat support
I am still surprised that even on Android or iOS neither have group messaging option the Blackberry had decades ago. In BB10 OS for Blackberry whenever you would type more than one person to type a group message to a check box would appear and if you left it unchecked it would be a regular group text with everyone seeing each persons replies. If you checked the box it would send all the folks in the text subject each the text and you would only receive single replies from each person, it was basically like bcc for email. It was simple and made the most since and still neither Android or Apple has this feature. How or why is that. It is very frustrating if you want to text various people the same message but not wanting to make a new group text.
Androids do have this feature... For sure the Google Pixels & Samsung Galaxy Note do and have for years, I just don't use them 🤷🏽♀️
This will be interesting especially the presentation....rcs the apple way 🙃
Sideloading coming to iOS (EU nation only) yet no words by .
So RCS will also be coming to iOS but won't mention it on WWDC.. cuz it'll promote iOS users that android can now have better experience.
I'm having a hard time figuring out why in the world I'd want to play a game in my messaging app.
Cause it’s fun to play games seamlessly with someone you’re chatting to?
Everyone with an iPhone has the Messages app. So if you want to play a casual game of chess, 8-ball pool, etc with your friend, there's no "hey can you download this specific app", and fumbling around creating/joining a game. You just send the chess board with your first move and the friend taps on it to install and send their move.
Also, it just integrates well with text conversation. Send a message/reaction, send your move within the same chat.
@@jeremy-bahadirli I mean you have to install game pigeon, but who hasn't done that?
@@aaronlarson4358 yeah and if you do have to download it cause it’s your first time, it’s quick, easy, and a one-off. After that it’s so easy to just start a game
Right you rather do that crap or play ps2 and switch games free on a android phone iPhone people are simpletons android has all those types of games and more
EU being against encryption? They've created the most comprehensive privacy law in the world (GDPR) to protect privacy. Being against encryption makes absolutely no sense. What they want is cooperation from companies if any investigation takes place that needs disclosure of data, which BTW is much more "problematic" in US due to its legals system rather than EU.
As far as encryption goes you have 3 possibilities: encryption at rest (when its sitting not being used in your device), in transit (just encrypt to move it across and decrypt when received) and in use (that's the trickiest to be accomplished since you need the clear data to actually use so its full of nuances).
End-to-end encryption is a type of encryption in transit but it occurs on what we call a higher layer (application level) meaning everything but the application data you're sending will not be encrypted so carriers and the underlying infrastructure can properly move the information to the destination. There are other types of transit encryption that will make those non-data information also encrypted but that's a conversation for another day :).
What you said makes no sense. If something is truly end to end encrypted, the company can't know what the data is, so how then would the EU expect the companies to provide said data, other than to not use end to end encryption?
The EU is fairly anti-encryption based on the whole "chat control" thing, which would simply make end to end encryption entirely illegal. However, there are no laws about it yet, thankfully.
Finally apple does something exciting... 😂 Always been boring
This whole green vs blue bubbles thing only makes sense for some 200/300 mil people, living in the US. The rest of the 8.5 billion people don’t understand the point, as they hardly use iMessage, which is simply a pale surrogate for more advanced chat apps like WhatsApp and the like. 😅
This is true but it has its roots in a few things. Some of those being the way the US and rest of the world charge for data vs text plans and US citizens being retarded.
If I can easily send pictures and videos without quality issues from a pixel to apple, I am totally going back to pixel.
Encrypted In Transit (EIT) only means its encrypted while its being forwarded to each node; data is stored on each device in an unencrypted form. E2EE (end-to-end encryption) means if you're sending a message your device would grab a public key from a certificate authority, use it to encrypt the message. The message is then forwarded to a server (still encrypted) and arrives to its destination device encrypted where it remains encrypted. TLDR; E2EE means the path of the message from device to server to device is fully encrypted where as EIT its only encrypted when being forwarded or passing through the server. The data is stored in an unencrypted form at the source and destination.
13:55 the trigger Phrases are “smash the like button” and “smash the subscribe button” and not just “subscribe” inorder to make the like button or subscribe button to glow.
@7:04 I feel like there are a lot of misleading comments here about what the difference is between End-to-End Encryption vs In-Transit encryption.
When data is "only encrypted in transit", then it means the application layer data (the messages and media itself) is not encrypted, but whenever the data is in transit between end users and operators, it will use encryption methods like TLS to encrypt the data. This means malicious actors cannot see your data, but the operator can store (usually still encrypted) and process your data. This is how almost every general application or website will handle your data because they want to use your data to keep you engaged in their app.
In contrast, End-to-End Encryption (E2EE) means that the content is encrypted from the source endpoint/device to the destination endpoint/device. This is very desirable for messaging apps because it means no one has access to the data other than the end users, but it's very difficult to create a manufacturer agnostic E2EE because it requires open standards that are validated as secure with no way for malicious actors or operators (Apple or Google) to break the encryption. That's why Google actually leverages Signal's algorithm for E2EE for how they implement it on RCS.
The most common examples of E2EE applications Signal, WhatsApp, iMessage, Google Messages, etc., but unless an application broadcast E2EE, then it's safe to assume it isn't.
I've seen so many versions of this but I don't think this quite explains it right - the messages are encrypted either way,* the only question is who has the keys. Yes, *typically* transit encryption uses a lower level protocol to do the encryption but there's been plenty of messaging apps in the past that claimed encryption by implementing application layer transit encryption without it being end to end.
*Notably, they aren't encrypted on the end points even with E2EE, if the messages are stored encrypted on the device then that's done using a separate standard, not the E2EE protocol.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 The point you brought up is exactly why I used the generic wording of "it will use encryption methods LIKE TLS to encrypt the data". You are definitely right that there are many applications that don't use established encryption methods, but that is not the norm. Most applications are going to be built on top of common server stacks which will natively support lower layer encryption methods like TLS, and any smart dev will choose to use off-the-shelf established encryption methods over writing their own. As an example, see the excerpt below from the RCS v2.5 standard which specifically calls out to use common encryption standards like TLS and IPsec.
As for your key point, we're saying the same thing. When you only encrypt in transit, then each client/server hop will by definition have the key to decrypt that communication. With a secure E2EE key exchange, only the end devices should have that key, but yes there would need to be verification that the data at rest is also securely stored.
RCS Standard Version 2.5:
16.3.3 Encryption The User Network Interface transactions should be always encrypted to prevent eavesdropping of the user’s personal communication in the various access and transit networks. RCS makes use of the common encryption protocols, i.e. Transport Layer Security and IPsec. Clients conforming to the profile defined in this document shall support the encryption for all signalling and media traffic technologies described in this document.
@@BAoxymoron What I'm getting at is that a lot of people, yourself included, are calling the messages in transit encryption "unencrypted" when they are absolutely encrypted - even if they're done by lower level protocols, they're still encrypted, and if they're encrypted at the application level (which can be done by off the shelf libraries still) then they're even encrypted before leaving the app, just like E2EE, it's just that the service provider has the ability to decrypt them as well as the recipient.
I feel this is an important point to clarify, since standard transit encryption still protects against third party message interception even if it doesn't protect against the service provider. E2EE is the best option, but transit encryption is still a form of encryption that still locks out some potential attackers.
7:40 I don't have the context about their implementation but encrypted in transit means when, say, Alice chats with Bob, the messages are encrypted when being transmitted through the networks, e.g. the Internet, but not end-to-end encrypted means the messages are not decrypted only by Alice (end) and Bob (end), if there's a server between them, e.g. Alice sends a message to a server and Bob retrieves the message from a server, the server might be able to decrypt the messages, e.g. if iMessages are not end-to-end encrypted, that means it's possible that Apple can decrypt them, even when against their will for legal or other reasons.
Yes, I'm shocked Apple is bringing RCS support.
10:29 "Dawn of the final day", love the Majora's Mask reference
Sunbird:F**k…F**KKKKK 😂😂😂
I remember back in the day having to use my Apple ID to jailbreak in certain cases. Made me very nervous but was find.
wonder how they gon introduce it
Sooo is Beeper just as bad as Sunbird or is my Apple ID safe in Beeper? Idk if I wanna know the answer 😅
Why does the MKBHD team apply a double standard when it comes to encryption, expressing concerns only for Eastern market initiatives while overlooking the absence of encryption in Western counterparts, such as Apple?
Yeah I realized this too. Apple, google and Microsoft all have worked with the US government. But due to a gag order they do not have to inform the public of these activities.
iMessage is E2E encrypted. I'm not even an Apple user and I know that. One of the biggest draws of the iPhone is all of the encryption it has on board. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with Apple's "absence of encryption" because if there were an absence, they would be talking about it.
7:30 that's pretty easy to understand. nobody can intercept the message as it is being transferred from the sender to recipient.
Apple should make RCS chats into purple bubbles because it's still important to differentiate them from SMS chats
On android it tells you whether or not the person you are texting with is using SMS or RCS. Without coloring the bubbles. It's right under the bubble on my Pixel 7.
@@SaintKines I have a Pixel 8 pro and my RCS chats are deep blue bubbles while my SMS chats are a light lavender bubble. It does also say whether it's SMS or RCS also, yes but the color differentiation also helps.
Purple is too “beautiful”. The reason that Apple uses light green bubble with white text to represent is making communication with Android look ugly. Therefore, using purple to represent RCS messages is not an option to Apple. If they have to use another colour to represent RCS messages, probably they would use light orange with white text.
@@tsmc689 it absolutely _is_ an option for Apple, as iMessage is their proprietary software so ultimately, they get to choose what colors to make the bubbles. The thing about purple is that both it, and green are both secondary colors when mixing blue, the color of iMessage bubbles, with other primary colors. Blue plus yellow is green, which is the color of SMS chats. Blue plus red is purple, and this is why I think it should be the color of RCS chats. Both colors are somehow related to blue.
@@tsmc689 it's wishful thinking, but since Google is helping Apple implement RCS, I hope they can convince Apple to use purple
Why would apple keep the bubble Green they love the bullying that is going on with young kids they can at least give it purple
It won't be a bullying tool after this all takes place because the only reason having a green bubble was bad was because of the issues caused from sending messages from Android to iMessage. Now that iMessage will have to work with RCS and RCS has all the ability of iMessage plus some, trying to bully people for having green bubbles would be even more ridiculous than it already was.
All that being said, we are talking about the US here so anything is possible.
One thing that annoys me is that Apple blocks texting on cellular iPads using the mobile number assigned to the SIM in the device. Other tablet makers don’t block this feature.
Can you call?
Are you sure? Most tablets are data only
@@MashedzFruitzonly using facetime.
@@zahirkhan778samsung aren't, they have call capabilities.
@@zahirkhan778 Cellular-capable Android tablets can send and receive text messages, although this feature can be disabled by the wireless carrier… as opposed to Apple tablets where this feature is always disabled by Apple (except for certain carrier-originated texts which are allowed through).
My subscribe button isn't glowing and I have multiple group chats with many both apple and android users, so IDK why everyone always acts like you can't do them.
Encrypted in transit means that it's over TLS over the Internet, like HTTPS. But end-to-end encryption means the devices encrypt the actual messages, not just the transport medium. End to end could mean that the encrypted messages could be sent over an unencrypted transit channel.
What encryption in transit protects against is someone along the internet transmission hops from eavesdropping on the communication. But once it's on the device it's open -- so long as you can access the device.
I would argue that end to end encryption is a form of transit encryption since the message is encrypted for transit between the devices, the difference is that only the devices on either end have the keys
@@bosstowndynamics5488 it is but the common nomenclature is that end to end means device to device, whereas encryption in transit is the communication from client to server or server to server. Transit encryotion is typically to protect against network eavesdroppers, but doesn't stop each network endpoint from potentially collecting all the traffic for later decryption (think Snowden, PRISM, Room 641A).
Even with end to end encryption you may have some information that can be gathered because the message has to be routed -- a classic example is PGP encrypted email where the body is encrypted but the to/from is in the clear because how else would the mail server know where to send the mail.
Nothing doesn't feel like it should be a real company. Everything about it feels like you should order from them only to have nothing ever arrive. They haven't innovated in the slightest, pass other INCREDIBLY INSECURE software as their own just for some shit marketing points, and this hyper-aggressive "iPhone killer" approach always feels so fucking sketchy out of an android phone. It really does feel like this should have been the point where they ran away with the money and never actually manufactured a damn thing, and yet still they persist, and for what? For some attention being drawn to half baked, character-less software and the mere hope that people will treat it like some high-class piece of tech? Nothing about it is high class, LEAST of all the fact that you called it "nothing"
Telegram and/or Signal is more than enough 😉
How shady would it be that group chats between iOS and android would change so that iOS users still send blue bubbles, but android only sends green.
So instead of 1 android number turning the whole chat green, they themselves would just get singled out. Definitely an Apple thing to do 💀
The problem has never actually been the color of the bubbles though. The problem has been the difficulties sending messages and data between the 2. If those media and group chat problems are gone then the bubble color is absolutely meaningless outside of children and favorite colors.
Sounds childish
I’ve seen even reality show people in America make fun of one guy cause he said he was going to ask out one girl but a guy said well you have an android so… so unfortunately in America the iPhone epidemic is very real even among “grown” ass men lmao
@@robmalcolm8042Don't they realize that some android flagships are more expensive than iPhones?
This blue vs green bubble drama is stupid. If anything it just a tactic to be like "ohh you have an android/iPhone 😏" who cares! It's a phone the person likes so move on!
Here's the thing: the only reason "green bubbles" were frowned upon was BECAUSE of the issues with SMS. So now that everyone can basically do the main things people use iMesaage for:
- Read receipts
- Typing indicators
- Reactions
- Hi-res media
- Video
- voice notes
Which means now, green bubbles vs blue won't matter at ALL unless you're dealing with someone who likes to play iMessage games, which is only one (and not very important) demographic. Problem solved, especially for switchers like me 💪🏾
no stickers like whatsapp tho
The LIKE button also glows and sparks!
I think we may see the rollout of RCS support on the iOS Messages app as early as May 2024 with a newer iOS version. However, I also think the app will differentiate between iMessage, SMS and RCS messages with their own distinct color text bubbles.
Well, unfortunately it is already confirmed that the bubble for RCS will be green as well...
@@chengyoujiang6076Who confirmed it tho? Even RCS and SMS have different colored bubbles on android. The distinct appearance of each protocol is very necessary.
@@xperiafan5370why is it necessary when it tells you under the bubble which one it is in plain text? At least on my Pixel it does.
@@SaintKinesit doesn’t do that on iPhone. The text bubble color lets you know what’s what
@@FNJ720 I see. That is a problem
It is encrypted from your smartphone to the RCS server because the RCS is on top of 4G and 5NR which has radio interface encryption. Therefore from smartphones to Antena and RCS server is encrypted and secure
this is what happens when your phone barely hits expectations every year and so now people realize that there are much better phones than iphone
All I got from this video is that Apple fanboys aren't very smart lol they just following the crowd ha
But don't forget to subscribe lol
Google was supposed to open RCS to third party texting apps years ago... But they never did.
I'm still annoyed by this... Also, disappointed that people aren't making the bigger deal of this.
Google made fun of Apple for not having RCS, but Google refuses to open it up to third parties.
Subscribe does not imply the existence of Superscribe, it implies the existence of Domscribe
One again I am so proud of the EU
They brought us USBC on the iPhone and now this
So many people have adopted WhatsApp… I feel like Apple dropped the ball a little too late to recover.
11:19 that was my first and foremost thought on this whole thing: how will this impact Apple's market share and the strength of their ecosystem? Update: 11:56 bingo. this is exactly it
First, who cares about their marketshare and why would effect it at all? I dont have an iPhone because they wont play well with others. And it shouldnt effect their ecosystem. We are talking bout messages here. It simliar to them only using a lightning connector....lol, why use something different? Ill tell ya why.....they dont give you a charger with it so they want you to buy their charger?cable and not some random cheaper charger and cable.
@@Rayzaa101I don't care if Apple loses market share but since neither you nor I are the CEO of Apple we can't comment on what *they* will decide to do without considering their motivations, and maintaining market share is one of Apple's main motivations
Apple was obviously prepared for this for a long time. When Nothing dropped their "iMessage on Android" thing, Apple reaponded with announce of RCS support practically instantly. Nothing else (forgive the pun) can explain why do this now.
At the same time, Apple guys knew they wouldn't be able to sue, because a uno reverse card would probably be put on them in terms of anti-trust pressure.
So they probably had this as an option for a long time, just waited for an event that would force their hand.
It's pretty obvious
WHat do you think will ship first: RCS on the iPhone or the Tesla Cybertruck? 😂
I am not sure you’re right about the EU being against encryption. If anything they’re the ones who were against Meta merging Whatsapp data together. I think you’re actually thinking of the UK that does bend over backwards to remove encryption and get backdoor access to apps and OSs.
You kidding? The EU is very against end to end ever since the whole EncroChat thing. The latest thing now is "chat control", which is just ridiculous and incredibly anti-encryption..
Really and truly, Android doesn't need to have imesssage on it. If anything, they should create their own messaging system similar
Google will still be google message IMessage will still be IMessage the only thing changing is communication between the two will become better.
Nobody outside of the US uses messages anyway
@Madeintheshade65 ah, ok. I guess if that's the case, some iPhone users won't complain about messaging someone on android
@justaguyfromreddit true. The usage of android phones is higher outside of US.... Even tho I'm a few hours away from the US border. You could include Canada into this statement as well. The amount of people I see using iPhone is crazy. A few weeks ago I was talking to a friend of mine. They had switched from Iphone to Android. Once they switched they realized how much they were missing and said they won't go back to iPhone at all
@@Grimmy85It's not about iphone usage being higher or lower, pretty much 95% of my friends have iphone (Colombia), we still all use WhatsApp, everyone does
Did Marques just quote Jake Peralta with that “cool-cool-cool-cool-cool-cool” at 3:48
The EU being against Encryption is like thier full character arc in becoming a communist villain.
The Guy who said that in the Video has a nice cheesy smile, but overall he has no clue. The claim is nonsense.
Except it was UK)
I did some digging and there are proposals in the US, UK and EU that if passed into law would require tech companies to report child sexual abuse material, etc. Depending on how this is implemented it would likely weaken end to end encryption.
Iam pretty sure that the EU isnt against encryption the way youve put it. The EU has very high quality standards when it comes to privacy.
It’s crazy how Apple has been keeping their users behinds brick walls yet they still have a ton of support
The subscribe glow actually works 😂
It’s a pretty cool feature.
All of those features for 9999 and 99 cents 😂
Congratulations Apple youve finally nearly caught up to literally everyone else
I unsubscribed just to see if it glowed.
So does that mean that iPhone I bought my Mom was a waist of money?
End-to-end encryption: your device encrypts the message with a method that can only be deciphered by the recipient device. Other, additional encryption might be applied or removed along the way, but the core contents of the message remains encrypted and indecipherable until it arrives on the recipient device.
Encrypted "in-transit": your device encrypts the message with a method decipherable by the first server in the chain, likely with TLS/SSL. That server will decrypt the message locally, doing whatever it wants with the contents, before re-encrypting it via TLS/SSL handshake with the next server, so on and so forth until it arrives at the destination. It's considered to be encrypted "in-transit" because the message is never decrypted while it's moving between servers, but could be decrypted at any point while stationary on a server.
Did Marques shut down Sunbird?! Their previous video shined enough light on Sunbird/Nothing security risks to the world that it shut them down?!
It glowed once, only after I replayed you saying it over and over lol.
Need to be careful when the EU has sommuch power.
EU showing what competent government can do. US should take note instead of trying to find ways to gut it.
Yes I noticed the subscribe button glow on a previous RUclips video as the RUclipsr said to subscribe. Funny you mentioned it here. I've noticed the feature.
This green/blue bubble thing is only a thing in the US, right? Everybody elsewhere is in WhatsApp/Telegram/Etc...
Correct
What happens if you message an Android user from a Macbook that can no longer update to macOS 15 (which will bring over RCS), but your iPhone is capable of iOS 18? Will it be sent in MMS/SMS? Will Android fully remove SMS/MMS, or will it still be around for a few more years?
Android (and iOS for that matter) will have to support SMS/MMS as a legacy protocol for many, many years as it's still embedded in the usage of a lot of services and random bits of hardware, such as old ones, feature phones, and some categories of IoT devices, not to mention the continuing insistence of many services to use SMS OTPs
If I’m remembering how SMS and MMS works on messages from a Mac it should be fine. Basically the Mac can’t actually send the message and pings your iPhone to send it (this only works if the Mac and iPhone are on the same Wi-Fi network) and there’s a log on a server somewhere that saves the conversation and allows your Mac to see past texts. TLDR the Mac tells your phone to send the text so an older Mac should just be able to tell a newer iPhone to send an RCS message if the iPhone supports RCS.
Now if only RCS was reliable and actually worked the way it's supposed to. So many bugs when sending between 2 Android phones.
Same experience on my S22 Ultra between other rcs enabled Samsung devices. I noticed no improvement in quality of images and videos when rcs was enabled. Hopefully apple can make this work properly.
That's strange. RCS messages work perfectly fine for me and my family /friends and we all use Android phones from different manufacturers
I think Apple did this because now android has all the features of Iphones in iMessage but now iphone users are getting ugly text messages that say "such and such liked your message" so now iphones are looking old fashion and out of date. Along with better phones iphone is tanking.
E2E means every step of the way is encrypted. In transit means client-server is encrypted
7:43 Ahh yes, the only reason end to end encryption isn't supported is exactly the reason why you would want it: To prevent government surveillance. They're creating a dystopian future and not even being subtle about it.
End-to-end encryption means that data can only be accessed on the device of the recipient or the sender.
But to get from the sender to the recipient it must go through a server.
Encryption in transit means that it's encrypted on the way to/from the server, but the server can see the contents.
All encryption/Tor/VPNs are pointless when these companies/governments can watch your screen in real time through hardware "exploits"- purposely built into every consumer electronics CPUs/SOCs produced after 2009. (Doesn't mean they do, they just have the capabilities)
In simple words: encrypted in-transit means the network protocol used to send your data packet uses encryption, but the application (aka app) doesn’t
Which means that both you (and anyone in your local network i.e: people who are using the same WiFi router you’re using) and the server (and anyone in the server‘s local network) can see your message, but random hackers on the internet can’t (unless they hack the server or your house)
If it’s not even encrypted in transit, it means anyone in the whole world can see your data if they want to, they don’t need to hack anything, they just need to understand how to find the message in a haystack of internet data packets going everywhere.
End to end encrypted means that only you and the person you’re sending the message to can decrypt it, aka even the server sending your message doesn’t know what that message contains, and the encryption/decryption is being executed on the phone.
UK is not the EU. And it's the UK that's against encryption, not the 27 countries that comprise the European Union
11:07 Young Thug was pretty big too, but I begrudgingly admit this probably bigger.
The subscribe at the end didn't work :(
"I remember where I was..." - the new way of saying I'm a SUPER NERD.
Green/blue bubble thing - 100% only relevant in the USA
They’ll have to differentiate RCS from SMS though? Different shades of green? Cause not everyone has data, and not everyone has a smartphone.
I've noticed subscribe glowing and sparkling for well over a month now whenever people say it, but of course, as all things tech, when you try to demonstrate something for someone, it never works. it's not working on this video on my end (windows 10) 🤣. works for others though.
Will the rcs features we have be the end of the road as far as features or will they be able to make any improvements down the road?
Still waiting for rcs