Thats literally his job he usually brings up outsiders most of the time, usually on his podcasts and stuff. He always acknowledges us beyond the borders, and also you do realize he can easily look at where his viewership come from right?
I never really thought seriously about this until recently. I usually just use the default chat app. It was only until my younger sister told me she has an iphone because she felt pressured to do so. Seemed odd, but it was even stranger when i found out the pressures were tied to imessage and the green/blue bubbles. That her generation actually ostracizes anyone for being "green text". It was just so alien of a concept to me.
I just listened to 20 minutes about text messages, and never felt bored. Your video format and storytelling are top tier - Not to mention the production quality, which is off the charts!
As an android user in the US, I've actually grown to appreciate the green bubbles thing a little bit. Maybe I'm just a contrarian, but I think that if someone doesn't want to be your friend because of your phone choice, then you really don't want them as a friend anyways. At this point it's just a filter for shallow people
Colocação perfeita! Estou aplicando o mesmo ponto de vista só que em apps. Se a pessoa não quer se dar ao trabalho de usar um app, que já está incluso em seu telefone, para falar comigo, então ela já está demonstrando meu nível de importância para ela. (No caso estou migrando do WhatsApp para o RCS no meu Android)
Is it? As a European, I would freak out if someone texts me through SMS. That's not your fault, but I can't blame anyone not wanting to use that super old tech.
Important to note, iMessage doesn’t turn the android user’s bubble green. It turns the iPhone user’s bubble green. Like it’s punishing you for having a friend that doesn’t use apple products.
I consider the lack of read receipts and typing indicators to be a bonus. Nobody accuses me of leaving them on read, and I can't be expected to respond to texts instantly. HUGE benefit and I couldn't care less what color my bubbles are.
@@eminex_jr5573 The reactions messages are annoying, but Android users can change the bubbles to literally any color (customizable to every person in a gc), change the background of the DM/GC to any color OR image, and change the shape and style of the bubbles.
Wow, blows my mind as a non-American that this is an issue. Always interesting to hear about weird cultural aspect of countries though, even though this is a particularly crazy one! Thanks for the video Marques!
blows my mind as well and I'm in the US. i thought we left this whole iphone is the best and your not cool if you dont have one in the past. especially when they removed one of the most essential parts of a phone the headphone jack. you want me to blast my music to everyone around me in public? ok
@@bland9876 Word. As an citizen of Europe I was baffled to hear that people look down on others who aren't rocking iPhones. Where I live, Android phones (mainly Samsungs) dominate the market. I'm guessing it's got a lot to do with price-tiers. Apple's cheapest offering is 400-500€ here and I know LOADS of people who won't shell out more than 150-300€ for a phone, no matter what specs it has or which brand it is. So I'm positive things will stay that way unless Apple makes a seriously cheap phone (note: iPhone SE isn't cheap. It costs the same amount as flagship phones did many years ago. I remember the most expensive phone being around 500€ at some point and then it just got wayyyy out of hand when phones costed the same amount as dedicated gaming rigs and people expected you to change that in a a couple of years whereas gaming PCs can last ~5 years or so)
@Teej Yeah, it’s a pretty irrelevant these days - most Android phones don’t have a headphone jack and Bluetooth headphone can be picked up for very little.
the amount of times I have been told to "just get an iphone" in response to my texts showing up green on their phones or limiting their group chat functionalities is astonishing. It's so refreshing to read these comments and see that this isn't a worldwide thing
I'm from Switzerland. The iPhone is about as popular here as it is in the US but our default messaging app (for better and for worse) is in fact WhatsApp. That's the messaging app that everybody and your mom uses and that you kinda have to have, especially for group chats. While I absolutely detest the fact that a service from Meta has become the de facto standard in my country, I'm still glad that we don't have a problem with school bullying over the color of bubbles - at least as far as I know
Yeah in Germany (your neighbour) its the same, all use whatsapp, cool people telegram and even cooler ( and probably weirdos) signal or god forbid threema. I dont like whatsapp but i find the idea of getting all my boomer relatives introduced to another messenger too troublesome (and then they all habe to convince their boomer friends etc.). So as digitaly flexible as I am, I use 3 different Messengers.
@@StarkWurst My gf and I wanted to give Signal a try, just to message between ourselves, but the app made the phones (both of them) super hot and drained the battery so we went back to whatsapp lol
Thank you. As someone from the Middle East and has seen different posts on Reddit regarding Android and iOS interactions, this video was very informative. You also pointed out a good observation which is that one company shouldn't have all the communication
One point that was missed was that Google didn't originally set out to make their own RCS servers. RCS was supposed to be run by the phone companies, just like SMS and MMS. But the phone companies didn't see any profit in it, and very few bothered to implement it. After a few years of no progress, Google decided to bypass the phone companies.
And even after a few years of RCS it's still the same problem mentioned in this video. Getting everyone to switch to using RCS is pretty much impossible. Out of all the people I talk to that are also on an Android phone only one is using RCS.
I hope RCS supports sharing full size 4K video - this was one of the biggest annoyances with SMS but even on WhatsApp and Messenger, the video is compressed and not in full quality like it is with iMessage. It calls into question an era when S21 Ultras can record in 8K, yet there are very few messaging apps on an Android phone that can seamlessly share that video without crushing the quality and defeating the purpose of recording in high res.
This is pretty interesting, how different cultures/countries/regions behave on that alone. In Europe, I don't think I know anyone using their default messaging app. Everyone is on WhatsApp, Telegram, or Signal (or all of them) The only messages I get over the default app are like parcel delivery updates lol
From the uk here, I'd say about 70% of the people I know don't use apple for phones most people here have a Samsung for e.g in my mid 20s and I'd say only 3 people in my friendship group out of 15 have an iPhone
As a middle school educator, I’ve heard quite a number of students make fun of kids that have an android phone because of the green bubble. They would say their phones are slow, ugly, or cheap. It really is a problem.
Yeah. One of the issues is that SMS is so awful at data transfer, and so rare for kids to encounter these days, that iPhone-only kids don’t even realize that SMS is the problem, they think it’s the other person’s phone. They assume that the Android kid’s phone must be cheap, have a bad camera, not be very responsive, and so forth when it’s really the messaging service that’s to blame. From there you get into a lot of the terrible classism and shaming that kids get up to. So sad to see so much bullying around people’s phones
Apple did this by design. The blue bubble doesn't tell you something about the person sending the message, it tells you, you the receiver, that you are a special Apple user who received blue messages.
The saddest part is that young people are being cuffed into this apple ecosystem. The same young generation who's supposed to be tech savvy and extremely adaptable to change.
@@ayoutubeperson54321 proud of you my g, you don't get many tech savvy new gens these days, i myself am 18, and 99% ppl from my college don't even know how to switch the camera video to 60 fps
A while back I was working remote with a project manager using an iphone. As an android user his group imessages were genuinely one of the best experiences I've ever had. Never receiving a proper invite was a wonderful excuse to miss zoom meeting.
@@Eds-universes or older people? Iphones are extremely restrictive and hates you tinkering with it. So people dumb enough to misuse the freedom they're allowed in android and ruin the experience wouldn't be able to do the same in an Iphone
Are you being sarcastic, or was it really a good experience? Other Android users have complained about not being able to use iMessage-exclusive features when texting with an iPhone user.
This reminds me about a time in college when I went to a conference in Philly for a nonprofit organization I was involved in. The organizers set up a group chat over iMessage to give all the participants updates about the activities that would take place over 3 days. Out of over 20 participants from chapters all over the country, I was the only one with an Android phone. I missed out on a lot of the features in the chat and trying to text back was a nightmare. The person I got assigned as a roommate was kind enough to pass over some of the information that was being discussed, but I can't emphasize how dystopian and isolating it felt to be there with all these people while feeling like I was outside of a bubble. The insight in this video was real 😶
I’m not sure how you miss information in the texts. Do you mean that people were replying to iMessages and it was hard for your follow a chain file replies because they aren’t linked together on android?
@@martinhawes5647 no they just flat out didn’t include him because his android phone would completely ruin the group chat. Even in my family group chat we only include those with iPhones. The sms experience is straight garbage compared to iMessage
Thank you for breaking this down so eloquently and articulately . As an elder millennial I was like ' wtf is even going on?!?' as if we don't already have enough legit conflicts, wars and battles going on in this world...
Switched to Android about two years ago and all my friends immediately made fun of me for having a green bubble. It was in good fun but definitely got annoying around the sixth time
genuinely fascinated about the green vs blue thing as a US android user who never even realized this was a thing. def encountered the groupchat issue but it's usually not hard to find an app everyone can use instead when that does come up
There's only 5 of us out of 13 or so in our group chat that don't have iPhones. No one's ever complained. I didn't even realize it was an issue. They make fun of us, which is expected. But nothing about the group chat. I do have an iPad but I don't use it for anything outside of Goodnotes and Procreate
Same, what's funny is android can react to messages and things as well. So it's essentially just iPhone only wanting to work with other iPhones while every other phone brand in existence has no problem interacting with each other lol
Now the group chat thing isn't even an issue. I'm in a company group chat with both Iphone and Android users (I'm on android) all the features he talks about in this works on the android side. Not sure what the apple experience is like, but mine is just fine
It completely blows my mind that someone would turn down a potential relationship based on the color of their message bubble. Discrimination has hit a new low.
Well if you look at the psychology of dating. It's really interesting it's mostly driven by our caveman evolution. Men tend to value physical attractiveness characteristics because it's an indicator of ability to successfully rear a child. Meanwhile women are more pre disposed to find wealth and other reasource gathering characteristic, as well a social status as a significant form of attractiveness. Because that shows you can provide for them during the reasource intensive process of growing, birthing, and nursing a child when they can't take care of themselves as easy. There is a wealth of psychological data that shows women fairly consistently refuse to pair with men they perceive as either poorer then them, or has less social status then them. Not absolute but incredibly common. And if there is a perception of Android users being poor because a lack of a green bubble. Well there you go. I am also willing to bet its significantly more women then men stopping dates with the reveal of phone differences. Men care about boob size and hip width. Women care about money, and charisma.
@@ekyanso4253 lol someone thinks he's funny and superior. I don't think in these terms. It's what psychology and anthropology studies done by Harvard, University of Wisconsin, University of Michigan, and a number of others have CONSISTENTLY shown and I have read them in the course of my time in college. What different sexes find attractive in dating is driven by ancient evolution and the greatest ability of your offspring surving to pass on your genes. That's just not debatable and I'm sorry it doesn't line up with modern views on equality and morality. It's also not how everyone is attracted to everyone. It's on a scale and there are outliers. There is plenty of research out there for you too read as well. Instead of leaving narascasisitic comments on posts about science.
@@imjashingyou3461 all your claims on caveman brains and why we would instinctually seek those things are correct in a vacuum. I'm not arguing that we don't have drives or instincts, or that some people allow themselves to be carried by those instincts. It absolutely happens lol. My beef is that you then extrapolate that to the extreme, to the point you're essentially saying "men are pigs and women are gold diggers". I know far, far more men who love their partners for their personality rather than looks, and way more women who care about whether a man is kind and loving rather than their economic status. In fact most of the women I've known are cautious around powerful men because they tend to be egocentric or dangerous. So to claim that women are the most likely to end a relationship based on a fucking speech bubble color is ignorant at best and just sexist at worst.
Yes, the fact is most people won't care enough about this to know how RCS differs from SMS, iMessage, etc. They'll gravitate to the easiest method of communication that just works.
The bubble thing is so weird to me as someone from Europe where literally everyone uses WhatsApp and it doesn't matter what phone you have. I think more people use Android here these days too.
I don't even know anyone with an iphone anymore. And indeed, WhatsApp has always been the standard here. I didn't know anyone uses the default message apps on phones at all lmao.
Two years from now and Google announcing they've done everything they can to make RCS compatible iMessage. This video aged surprisingly well. I live in the US and I never heard about this whole green vs blue bubble thing until an iPhone user in a group chat was complaining to me. I was like, I can make the color whatever I want to in the theme settings.
Its not really the color that most apple users care about its the fact that when a group chat becomes green bubble it becomes basically unusable because you can’t add or get rid of people, send photos and vids (without it compressing etc). Its not the color that most people care about, just what it symbolizes.
As an adult, when someone tells me to just get an iPhone because of them ugly green text bubbles, I just shrug and tell them, "not my problem." I am now realizing that this is a harder issue for younger people dealing with being bullied and excluded from conversations over something so trivial.
This is just hilarious. I don't know any other ountry in the world that doesn't have a standard besides US. And is actually leading to social problems which is even more ridiculous
My only issue is the part about Android users feeling ostracized. That's mostly just iphone users' perception of Android users. We don't feel ostracized. We mostly just feel confused about why some iphone users love Apple so much, when the company clearly hates them.
@@ChirdXtreme Don't think the company "clearly" hates us. That also sounds like an Android, Window's users' perception of why to use any other device than an Apple device.
@@TheGoman21 They make you pay extra for years old tech and laugh all the way the the bank. i.e. $800 for a 64gb RAM upgrade in the Mac Studio they announced today. Apple is extremely hostile toward their customers.
Very strange to see that SMS became even more popular in the US with the advent of the smartphone. In many other places, particularly the UK where I am from, third party messaging services made SMS practically obsolete for personal messaging, starting even before smartphones came along. This is because SMS messages were pretty expensive, could be around 15p per message.
The big difference is that in the US they had early free unlimited sms in their services(they weren’t cheap, but it was the only thing they could get). In Europe for most people it was way cheaper to use WhatsApp, because subscription to unlimited Texting was too expensive.
Same here in Brazil! Once 3G got cheape enough that everybody could afford it, SMS became totally obsolete because using Whatsapp was "free" while you still had to pay for each SMS which also was a worse option to communicate.
I usually text family or friends that I don't have on social media. Sometimes I'll chat with friends over an app. I'm not sure if America has a universal chat app that everybody uses except everybody already has sms on their phone.
That's interesting. In my work space at least people tend to groan when someone brings an apple into group stuff because it always tends to cause so many problems with all the other varied systems we use.
European here and you were totally right at the beginning of the video. Basically nobody uses the default message app here. We use a combination of Whatsapp, Facebook messenger, Discord and in rare cases Email/Gmail for all the messages we send. The fact that there are differences in the quality of the messages between the operating systems is absolutely insane to me. Also I've noticed that there is a separation in the use cases of each of these apps, for example older people mainly use messenger or whatsapp while younger people also use Discord.
as a person from a country where virtually everyone and their mom uses whatsapp, its difficult for me to comprehend the scale of the blue bubble - green bubble problem. from a consumer perspective, apple should add rcs support, but from their perspective, it seems like they're better off not adding it because it strengthens their "walled garden". awesome video as always marques :)
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. That's the reason they won't do it until they have to. They won't profit from doing it and NOT doing helps the "walled garden" imagery amongst their consumers. To help you comprehend the scale of the blue/green bubble problem in the U.S., Apple/iPhone has like 40-45% of the phone marketshare here (that's total, not just 18-24 year olds), all of those people ALL use iMessage. Almost the entire other half of the country all use SMS/MMS, with a small portion of that (let's say like 10%) all split amongst people using apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, or Signal to talk to either other tech fans or people outside the U.S. (and all of those people still use SMS/MMS most often with their Whatsapp/Telegram/Signal use being secondary). So it's a very big noticeable thing here.
Watching the channel for years and I must say, the latest docuseries-like content is like small, polished bites of tech history. I love the origins and nuance details of the stories being told. I know there's a viewership collateral risk for videos upwards of 20 minutes, but these are golden. Insightful and enlightening. Keep it going bruh.
I have to agree!! I have been a fan for SO many years and I found that video HELLA interesting! Thank you for the background, the story telling was unique and interesting. Did you get new writers? Or been working on your writing more because it shows. Love your show man.
@@monketok141 same. I started doing that when I got into watching video podcasts. It's weird now when I watch a video at regular speed. It seems so slow.
ya the switching default thing is actually a super tough process!! as someone who's been using whatsapp since the beginning, the recent wave of switching to signal over the data privacy issue with WhatsApp was the perfect example where people just made accounts on there but not even half the people actually switched their "default" and just stuck to whatsapp.
I may have to poke the right people at my workplace to move the company from WhatsApp to Signal. Myself and my partner use it instead of any Meta owned chat apps.
@@MiesvanderLippe all of your personal info is already everywhere on the Internet. Nobody will ever be safe. Paying to text??? Fuck that, I'd rather give them my data
I have always been confused by it. Some people are weirdly intense about having blue vs green bubbles. It feels like one of those things that's just unnecessarily dividing.
Seriously I remember first hearing someone talk about this a few years ago n just assuming that they were 100% joking since I just couldn't fathom seriously caring about something sooo meaningless lol.
I played lacrosse in college, and a few weeks into my first year my friend in the team asked me why I didn't go to a team event. I asked her what she was talking about and she said "you know the thing we all talked about in the group chat!" I said "what group chat?" That's when we both realized that I was the only one on the team not in this chat. I let the girl who made the group know that I wasn't in n it and she said she knew, she just didn't add me because she "didn't want green in the chat." That's when I realized how much I hate iPhones, solely for the exclusivity aspect and false sense of superiority it gives people.
Wow, she could have at least told you about the event privately. I have an iPhone and I’ve never thought like this. I just like how seamless it is to text other iPhone users but I don’t discriminate lol
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My perspective living in the US but being a millennial that grew up in Mexico. When talking about how predisposed people is to use the default apps on their phone, well not necessarily. This phenomenon of Whatsapp being used outside of the US was about timing. In Mexico WhatsApp was introduced before we had "unlimited texting" and of course before WhatsApp was acquired by Meta, so it was cheaper to send a WhatsApp vs a text, and because of this people learned to use the app. There was no predisposition because people wanted to save money, i don't know a single person in Mexico that doesn't know what WhatsApp is. People in the US just had and have more advantages that have allowed them to stay comfortable with their default option of texting.
Yeah I've heard about this for a while. Here in Ireland WhatsApp is the standard, there aren't many people who don't use it. About a third of my friends have Discord too. The only time I use Apple messages is when I get a 2FA code or shipping updates. Great vid Marques!
Same situation in Fiji. 90% of the people I know who have iPhones, don't bother with iMessage or don't know that it's a thing at all. Majority of the people in my country use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or Viber.
This was a super interesting video! I'm an android user and my friends always (mostly) joke about the text bubble colors. Honestly Apples unwillingness to cooperate to make a better user experience makes me even more unlikely to ever get an iPhone lol
on android phones on the googles messaging app you can change your chat color and messages color so we can have orange green blue white red bubbles it doesnt just show up like that on iphone because they use an outdated protocol and not the new one for non ios users
Lol, I'm the only android user on my work friends group chat and they're always complaining that my android ruins the chat but I will not go to apple for something as silly as that. The way Apple runs their business and services their customers is just criminal.
As a middle-aged mom who has only used Android phones, I appreciated this explainer. Although I feel zero social pressure regarding whether my texts to others are blue or green, I do appreciate things like read receipts (which I get from other Samsung users) and wish those kinds of features were cross-platform. I'll be keeping my eyes open now for more info on RCS messaging options.
You could have RCS right now! If you go into samsung messages > settings, you may see "chat settings" which is RCS, enable it and you can access those settings. I hope this helps!
What we need to do on the Android side is get everyone using the Google Messages app. It's really the cleanest messaging app I know of, and it's available to all android users, and runs RCS, so we can all at least have modern messaging between us. Then there's just the great Google Messages vs iMessage divide, which I assume won't be fixed until the iPhone is made to support RCS, which who knows when/if that will ever happen.
@@christopherpape4823 your are kind of right I feel like google and samsung are working on something like that 🤔 because on the new samsung phones there coming with the Google messenger as default but re-design a bit to fit with samsung UI looks super clean might be a step forward. Imo
I had a moto phone and had read receipts also Xiaomi phones are good budget phone many people talking about it on RUclips . Glad you not caving in the hype
7:50 - This is a real thing. In high school, I remember feeling left out of social groups, opportunities, etc. because I had an Android. Couldn’t be in group messages or FaceTime calls, and even Snapchat quality was worse. Years later none of this matters now, but it is interesting to see how the exclusivity of the Apple ecosystem affects adolescent relationships and social environments.
I thought that in 2024 we'll discuss about flying cars, high tecnology and living in other planets, but we are discussing about green and blue bubles. LOL
"..pretty much nearly everywhere else the iPhone isn't as dominant..." MKBHD, that's a very relevant assertion right there especially for people like me watching you from a continent that has 82% Android (OS) dominance. I'm glad you are recognizing the fact that there'r alot of people outside of the US following your channel with very little apple/iOS influence in their lives. Great stuff👍
@@quarterlifethings literally most of the Europe countries have more android phone than iphone users. I dont know what in the actual hell is wrong with you by saying that but you are definitely messed up
@@quarterlifethings So this man is appreciating Marques for not being an stereotypical ignorant American and you come in to remind us that no matter how smart Marques is those stereotypes are still true.
@@sak2407 hey so I completely agree with you that quartetmusic is a moron and a stereotypical American but there lots of non ignorant Americans such as myself and Marques. I promise you that, so try not to generalize based on one moron
As an American, after I met my boyfriend who is Japanese, he introduced me to LINE. It is SO much more appealing than default messaging. Plus the stickers are on point lol. It also can act as a mini, completely closed social media with ONLY close friends on it. Living in Japan now, most people around me never use their default messaging whatsoever with even notifications from services, doctors offices/appointments, restaurants, coupons, retail stores, etc all use LINE codes to message you info rather than your phone number. Even the post office gives you updates through LINE and allows you to choose the time and date that your package Is delivered so that they know when you are home, straight through using LINE. I’ve also scheduled my dental appointments directly through LINE app.
@@1silenthunder1 This is true. Kakao is basically Korean equivalent of LINE. If you have friends in Korea or plan on traveling there (even for vacation), it's beneficial to have Kakao
I was once dating a Thai woman who I also got on Line for - really loved it! Would use as my default if anyone in the states without an asian connection knew about it
As a non American (New Zealander) The iPhone surpremacy absolutely baffles me. Here a majority of the people I know avoid apple like the plague because they don't wanna pay out the ass when android has better value alternatives and an open ecosystem. If anyone were to care about the green blue bubble thing they are liable to be bullied, not the other way around. It's such a weird superficial thing that makes me even more confused about American culture
And you are sane and wise to be baffled! So good to hear. I was born here and find it ridiculous as I find much of American ways. Green blue bubbles, iPhone snobbery, 🍎 's slick marketing and gullible masses.
So I use an iPhone. But the biggest reason I use it is because it works so intuitively. The few times I’ve used android phones connecting them to anything like headphones, my car, using them for work, or just whatever they always seemed to be a little more difficult. Apple products just seem to work how I expect them to work. I’m not super tech savvy so I don’t want to have to put any effort into it. It does what I want it to do and what I expect it to do.
Your description of the messaging app wars reminded me of the IM wars of the late 90s/early 00s and how I just had to use Trillian to connect to all of them, because I couldn't get everyone on a single service.
In the UK it seems fairly normal to have different apps in use, usually depending on who sets up the group. E.g. my dad set up the family chat, so it's on Telegram, local political stuff and parent groups tends to be on WhatsApp, sports teams on Facebook etc. Huge switch to slack recently also.
@@blackcat-mp7kh Yes, I also thought him claiming the majority of people cling to the default apps a bit exaggerated. Even if your phone doesn't come with say, whatsapp pre-installed, you'll get it in 3 times because it's where everybody else is. Either that or Americans are a special brand of lazy.
@@soundscape26 well... If the past couple of years have taught us anything abt the US... A large section of them ARE a special brand of lazy and petty and full of shit.
I love how many non-Americans watched this entire video. Reading the comments, I see WhatsApp has locked up the international texting. So green versus blue won’t apply to many. It’s not always the content, but sometimes just the person speaking we love. That’s why this channel has over 15 MILLION subs. Amazing. 👋👍
@@blizyon30fps86 There's no lesser evil both are bad. Bad is bad. Stop being biased. You only want to stroke your ego with that excuse of using Apple app.
I love how, even as an ecosystem-ranter myself, I went into this video thinking "out of all the things you could talk about, you go on about bubble colours?" and you turn it into an informative sermon - and I'm not even halfway through
As someone from the UK where everyone (including parents) use WhatsApp - i can't imagine how annoying it must be not having a defacto standard that everyone can use. I'm also surprised that WhatsApp became so popular in the UK, i would imagine most people would stick to default apps here too
Whatsapp became popular in the UK at first because most young people at the time either had a Blackberry or an iPhone, and it allowed Blackberry Messenger style chats cross platform. Then when Android became more popular and people ditched Blackberrys it just became the default app.
This drives me absolutely bonkers in the states. I'm a European, temporarily based in the US, sticking to Android because of a million reasons, and yet I still have to deal with this "controversy" whenever I message people here, and those annoying reaction texts back (that's the Android equivalent bad experience as Apple's green bubble). With everyone outside the states, I just use Whatsapp or any one of multiple other ones. It's so much easier and more modern. So annoying that Apple is keeping us in the 90s, including those of us who wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone!
It was the same "social pressure" when Blackberry had its message service with the PIN. People wanted a Blackberry to be "part of the wave" and to enjoy something that they seem to be missing (me included). It's normal, there are options out there and you have the freedom to try them.
We need someone to get on an interview with Craig and say “Apple has always been about security, why support the old and flawed SMS format when a far better and more secure alternative in RCS exists?”
@@gfyGoogle Because that's not compatible with any non-Apple products. If Apple really wants security, they should also want security when iPhone users message Android users.
@@gfyGoogle Better only insofar as you trust Apple's handling of your data... Keep in mind that when iMessage data gets sent through "the internet" what that really means is "through servers owned and operated by Apple." And sure, Apple pays a lot of lip service to privacy, but how long before we either find out that they do occasionally take a peak or some third party manages to hack and skim the data followed by a phishing attack to get decryption passwords? (Exhibit A: American Boomers, many of whom are on iPhone.) The idea that all this intimately personal data for so many users is stored in one place by one company should make you uncomfortable (or at least think before you type).
7:45 - 🤯 This segment helped my wife and I to understand why our 14-year-old is constantly asking for an iPhone even though she has a galaxy note 8… she’s already having some difficulties connecting with people she goes to school with and not having an iPhone could make her even less connected to them. I’m 43, so I didn’t make that connection… my wife and I were looking at it from our perspective of just having a phone is special, we never realized (until I showed her this video after watching it meals) how important an iPhone is to a teenager “fitting in” with her peers. Thank you MKBHD… I love the way you break things down, and this is probably my favorite video now!
Stuff like this is why I'm glad I was an antisocial introvert in high school, I didn't have to buy an iPhone I didn't want just due to peer pressure lol
@@Freak80MC But the thing is that if you had those things you wouldn't have been an anti social introvert... which meant you would have had a more fulfilling and happy high school experience (meaning better network, better jobs, more money, more social life etc)
@@Freak80MC everyone had a different experience in high school; my step daughter has a few things going against her and she’s hurting… depression is a real killer of teens and we want her to have a good experience. If this helps her depression and social experience, and don’t think we won’t take it from her for punishment if she’s misbehaving, we will do what we can.
It's sad how Apple has reinforced classism and "otherism" among teenagers and young adults by making a distinction in the devices through (what has become) the primary mode of communication for a lot of people. I'm a borderline middle age dad now, but I even remember being judged by women on dating apps when we'd first connect and they'd say, "You use an Android?" as if the mobile phone I was using meant I was below them. I've also experienced the same thing in the professional working world. People who should absolutely know better -- and ironically, act very woke and progressive -- are super judgmental of those who use Android devices, as if associating with them means that it's a knock against them or somehow will affect their standing in the workplace or something. It's so f'ing weird. I hate it so much.
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The funniest thing is that the smart women actually also use Android phones because the customizability is way higher. Not saying that "only dumb ones use iPhone", but that "the dumber ones typically do"
So, what you're telling me, is that the green speech bubbles saved you a lot of trouble and heartbreak. Cause these wouldn't have been keepers had the bubbles not existed.
As a European, the chat habits in the US sound so weird to me. Here almost no one uses imessage anymore, whatsapp is the standard and the idea of being obliged to choose between a phone I like and being able to properly communicate with my friends drives me mad
@@lVlegabyte your iPhone is a communication device. Why would you limit its ability to fulfil that function? I have half a dozen messaging apps installed and I don't care which one the person trying to reach me wants to use.
Last year, I had to send a screenshot to one of my friends living in the California USA, she immediately noticed it was taken from an android phone (given the status bar), and she was baffled by it. She asked me why i wasn't using an iPhone, I politely replied Android is much more customizable and buying and iPhone costs as much as buying a new car over here in india. Instead of understanding the economical imbalance and differences, she poor shamed me for using an Android phone and poked fun at me for about 15 minutes, She wasn't even a kid, a fully grown up working class woman And I've noticed this problem is only persistent in USA, none of my friends from any other developed countries gave 2 damns about me using an Android Phone
American people can’t understand the economic differences. They are growing up in bold houses with garages. Every family has a station wagon family car which can be bought for only 2000 bucks etc. The prices are reasonable because they produce anything. But unlike Most of the European countries there are lots of hillbilly kinda tactless people among them. Thats because there are lots of people from different countries creating new things for America It is like the capital city of Earth lots of non American people working for America. Except this aspect, the people in America is not much different than non developed countries. They are only powerful because of the collective interracial minds there. Most of the standart people are like I said hill billies or a bit more educated version of it.
When I had an Android phone, people used to mock me when I would try to text a video to their iPhones. They'd make jokes about how terrible Android cameras were because the video on their end would look super grainy and awful as Marques showed in that example clip of his Tesla. I would try to stand up for myself and try to explain that the low-quality video had nothing to do with my phone and had everything to do with Apple's stubbornness around MMS and compression, but no one ever really listened. It's a sad truth for us American tech enthusiasts.
Apple is the very definition of a company that only caters towards their own consumers by locking them in to monopolize everything, which in my opinion makes them look bad because they simply look (and are) selfish, while Google and other companies try to push for universal options for things that all people use...I'm fine with Apple and phone model exclusives but basic things like messaging and calling should all be universally good
I laughed very hard when he started to say, "well maybe an optimist would say Google could make a good competing messaging app..." knowing exactly where that was going.
I'm gonna be honest, my google based messaging app doesn't have any problems. But I also only send texts to singular people once in a while on it. Over here people do Groupchats etc. on Whatsapp, Telegram or stuff like that where you basically sending online messages crossplatform.
I was 5050 between the fact that they have made and killed, I think 7 messaging apps last I checked, or the fact that they also tried to develop RCS to little avail.
@@BassBanj0 Google: a trillion dollar company with some of the brightest minds and greatest talent in the world, and the attention span of a squirrel. Yes I'm still salty about GPM
That's why my wife (iPhone) and I (Android) switched to Signal for all our messaging. It's secure, and it just works, including all those modern features (typing indicators, videos, images, likes etc.). And we've noticed more and more of our friends switching too. So - at least here in Europe - I guess people are starting to get ready to switch to new messaging apps.
What do you mean Europe? I have lived in Spain, Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland and 100% of people use, or have, whatsapp/telegram in their phones
So iMesaage could default to RCS when messaging outside of iPhones, everyone could have increased modern features, and iPhones could still have some unique features to encourage people go with them over Android. Sounds fine to me.
I would very much like apple to separate iMessage and SMS into two separate apps, so I can ignore SMS all together. Also if messages app supports RCS, it will still be green bubbles, because RCS by default is still not end-to-end encrypted (I know the Google version is).
@@crwhhx lul you watched an entire video about how apple monopolising and exploiting peoples messaging with imessage was bad and your take is that you wish they segregated the types of messages so you could ignore veryone that uses sms?
This video is actually really interesting. I'm not from US, so I didn't know about this preference for the default apps and that would include iMessage. I live on Brazil, and the default messaging app over here is Whatsapp, with Telegram in second place. The reason for that is how iPhones are prohibitively expensive, even the cheapest ones. Not only that but a large amount of the population still prefer using smartphones which are over half a decade old by this point, sometimes more. If people aren't gonna use super high end features like better processing and graphics and the old phones still do the essentials, like messaging, entertainment and light gaming, there is no reason to swap. And I think this is bad, because it means Apple and other companies are being left out. Brazil is the seventh largest population in the world and the most popular phones here are the really old ones and Xiaomi devices. Samsung tries to get a cut but only A series have any chance. So yeah, iPhone is not very tempting over here, unless is only to have the brand on the back of the phone because there aren't any features the general public would prefer on iOS.
That's exactly it. MMS really just counted towards your data limit in the US. Elsewhere it had a fee attached to it. So there was strong pressure to use something else. That pressure didn't exist in the US.
i think it still costs a lot of money in germany, another reason why i never use the messages app on my iphone, i just assume sending a picture using Messages costs money. Most people have Android devices and Signal/Whatsapp anyway.
In the US, before WhatsApp came out, we could send and receive unlimited SMS for free. Free of per message fee and free of monthly fees. It already came preinstalled on the phone, so why use anything else? When MMS came out, it was a free upgrade. Technically, we did have to pay to use SMS when it first came out, but it did eventually become free before WhatsApp existed.
As someone from South America (where the iPhone is really not dominant compared to Android), I find it insane that people can get harassed and turned down from stuff simply because of a message bubble. Here it's not even an issue because everyone uses Whatsapp, even the iPhone users, but still.
@@Lavanyapatil7454 Here where I live iPhones are viewed as a status symbol since they're extremely overpriced for what they offer, even the older models that are long off sale on the main tech shops in North America.
@@Lavanyapatil7454there was an Indian in a comment above this one that said that flagship phones are status symbols and can cause issues. And I know that in China that's also something that can happen.
@@Lavanyapatil7454 I don't really know if it's really "as big as in America" worthy. Unless you live in California, this sort of pettiness is really only semi-common for younger people. Like people who are currently 21 and under. I'm in my mid-20s and this isn't even something I knew existed beyond jokes about "elitist apple slaves" until very recently Edit: I agree with you tho. Hopefully this dumb way of thinking doesn't spread.
I started using WhatsApp in 2011... after I got back from grad school in Europe. I was surprised that my fellow Americans hadn't really heard of it. Of course, having family overseas (India, Pakistan) made it convenient for me - made it so easy to keep in touch with those family members.
Yeah, WhatsApp technically had the first movers advantage and was always intended for the masses ( basic and simple) and that's the reason why there are more monthly active WhatsApp users than all iPhone users in the world.
As someone who lives where the mobile operators made SMS and MMS ridiculously overpriced on all their plans, WhatsApp was a default before I even had a smartphone. So basically forever. No one in their right mind would risk a green bubble giving them an extra charge and Android is also much more common here as well
I feel like I'm in a unique situation here in Sweden, 8 out of 10 of my contacts have Android and RCS activated so most it's almost the reverse situation for me now where friends with iPhones are "left out".
It’s interesting because just a few years ago everyone here in Sweden used WhatsApp. Now I feel like Facebook Messenger is dominant. I avoid both over the FB privacy issues.
@@grqfes Exactly. But when WhatsApp first became popular it wasn't owned by Facebook. That happened a couple of years later. And with the data sharing announcement I hoped people would move to something better but no, Facebook messenger is apparently good because everyone's on Facebook basically. Doesn't matter how many times they are in the news for privacy scandals, people still use their products for whatever reason.
For me it’s the other way around (also swede). I have only two contacts that will “green bubble” me, my mom and her husband but except for those two I have zero contacts that that use anything else than iPhone. So for me it would be 2 out of my 109 contacts in my phone meaning 98,2% use iPhone.. I guess we live in social bubbles 😂
Interestingly, the "default" messaging app in my country (the Netherlands) is WhatsApp. It's become such a norm that not having WhatsApp is like choosing to not have a messaging app on your phone. Edit: oh lol he just mentioned that this is the case in a lot of countries
Oh man, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on all the different projects Google has started and abandoned. Which ones you find most interesting, which ones were just terrible ideas from the beginning, and which ones you think should make a comeback
I think I remember in the podcast you talked about how you'd never personally experienced green bubble exclusion from a group chat. I remember in my high school job, the one girl with an android was straight up left out of the boss's employee group chat and would have to get info sent separately just because of how annoying it made the experience
I remember the first time I had this argument with someone about a decade ago in a group of people where green bubble people were getting roasted, that was one of the biggest lightbulb moments for me when I realized this was a grandmaster chess move by Apple, as I was also just starting to learn marketing & branding
they were to busy pretending to be inclusive by making their hand models skins pitch black, and taking black models and turning the contrast way up so all we can see are two eye holes, all while indoctrinating white middle class kids into believing that owning an iphone is an inseparable part of life
@@CaptainCaveman1170 if branding strategies that lead to MULTIPLE TRILLIONS in market capitalization and help build the single biggest company known to man = d-bag, then sure 🤷🏼♂️
@@boyerindustries Well yeah, there is a high correlation between those attributes. There's a reason why most of the nicest buildings in a given city"s skyline belong to insurance companies and banks. It's also why Las Vegas looks the way it does. MGM and Caesar's entertainment didn't get to where they got by being kind to their customers either. Microsoft is also notorious for its d-bag moves when they were Apple's place.
i remember it couldn't even copy and paste, or have notifications like android. had the iphone 3g and the nexus one. always used my Android to do more stuff
For what I can remember here in Spain whatsapp became popular as a "free" alternative to SMS around the years 2010 and 2011. When iMessage released most (young) social circles where already on whatsapp even if everyone had an iPhone, and I believe that by then most smartphone users where using Android.
Similar story here in Bulgaria - since people used Facebook messaging a lot back in the keyboard phone era, once smartphones started kicking in everyone just continued with messenger, and thus the iMessage blue/green bubbles trope never became a thing. Nowadays probably around 40-50% of teenagers/college students have iPhones, yet I don’t know a single person that actively uses iMessage. We all just use Facebook messenger (or instagram chats, but that’s just horrendously bad 🤮)
@@aliffmalek Same here in Germany/Switzerland - I live in both countrys. No one use classic messaging apps. All people on Whatsapp and Telegram. I have one single contact using sms - an older woman. Everytime I have to write her I start searching for the messaging app and try to remember the Name. Cause on some phones the app uses the english word "messages" and some others the german word "Nachrichten".
True in my country as well. Only recently iPhones are becoming more popular (because they're cheaper than what they used to be). But everyone uses Whatsapp already. And that's good because I love Android
I'm so glad somebody finally brought up RCS in this discussion. I own a bunch of Apple products, but I still haven't made the switch from Android in part because I think it's really gross how blatantly Apple values the lock in over providing their customers a better experience. They're singlehandedly holding back the messaging experience for the whole US because they don't want their customers to feel like leaving is a viable option.
No shit Sherlock have you heard of capitalism? Also instant messaging has been around for a long time, Apple was just smart enough to put on their product unlike Apple. The Apple ecosystem is just more appealing then The android ecosystem. Visually better software and hardware. Will it remain that way forever? No so calm your tits
@@ECVIDS999 and they shouldn’t. What? Should they just yield to everyone’s opinion bc a few kids are sad they don’t have iPhones? They worked hard to get to be as big as a company as they are now. Speaking of hard work. If these kids really want the blue bubble experience then work hard for it. iPhones on Facebook market/Craiglist aren’t expensive. Mow some lawns on the weekend do extra chores around the house and get what you want. If you don’t wanna work be grateful your mom/dad worked their asses off to get you the android!!!!
I live in Germany and I’ve never even used iMessages before my exchange year to Canada. Anyone who doesn’t have What’sApp in Germany has a HUGE disadvantage. There are some people (mostly because of privacy concerns), but it’s like 2 in 100 or something.
@Aryatama Aziz This is messaging app monopoly in essence, if you don't use the app that everyone use, your screwed. If you live in Japan and Taiwan and don't use LINE, you're screwed.
My uncle in Germany is the only person who doesn't use Whatsapp that I know of (in Germany), I have literally never had a conversation with him over the phone. I pretty much text and call him through my aunt's whatsapp.
I’m in the US and the only reason I’ve had WhatsApp for several years is to communicate with my German relatives and European friends. I rarely use it to communicate with other Americans and to be honest, I don’t trust Meta (formerly Facebook) with the data. A lot of Americans don’t trust using WhatsApp because Mark Zuckerberg owns it and will only use it to communicate with people overseas. Many of those Americans seem to make an exception with Instagram, but they probably feel there’s a big difference between posting travel or food photos compared to making sure a crappy company like Meta doesn’t have access to communications that could potentially compromise you.
I used to work for IBM, and the blue vs green is interesting. Blue dollars were internal transactions between departments, while green dollars represented actual outside customers paying us real money.
@@MF9-h4j Maybe the safety related to colours, psychologically? Blue is the safest, green is safe, yellow is a bit of caution, red is a no, and brown or black is like danger, if I'm not wrong. This scheme of colours is widely used imo
Thank you for this vidbJust got my 1st iPhone @ 32. I was very comfortable with my Samsung or Pixel phones but felt ostracized a lot more over the past few years.
For the most part this has never been much of an issue for me, but when my friend broke our seven-year group chat by switching from iPhone to Samsung, it made me notice it and made me really wish there were more compatibility between the two. I do hope that Apple adds RCS support. People will still buy iPhones and still use iMessage. Adding RCS support isn't going to totally change that. It would just make the texting experience in the U.S. better and more secure for everyone.
You should ask Jamal Kashogy if his iMessages are encrypted.....wait you can't because iPhone was targeted by the Israeli's NSO group, causing his assassination in a Saudi Consulate, so he's dead. Choose to blindly trust Apple or be sensible and do some research.
There's too much focus on RCS. The real problem is the limited compatability with IMessage as an application and the choice they made to use it. Doesn't Google Messages run on an Iphone? In fact there are MANY cross platform products that operate on an Iphone. The Iphone user needs to understand that they have made a conscious deliberate decision to EXCLUDE other friends and family members by CHOOSING to use a limited messaging product. They need to be educated that this isn't a war between IPhone and Android users, but instead a war between messaging applications! Some being cross platform and those that are not.
Yeah. I switched from Apple to Android and have experienced the resulting blue bubble backlash first hand. Apples aversion to work with other brands has ensured that I will never be buying their products until something changes.
Same here, Apple products are a horror show to me. I often visit customers and business partners and with Apple devices I have to plan every presentation like a battle. An Android smartphone communicates with any computer, television, beamer, printer... ... At Apple I need an extra cable for every little thing, a special app, a subscription or I have to fall back on methods from ten years ago. It's just not practical and I don't understand where Apple's reputation for being so advanced comes from. It feels like 2010 to me.
@@jinvid bro it aint hard to switch to the android in my opinion android is a better os than ios samsung s23 ultra has beautiful camera with 100x zoom i hate ios system because it doesnt support third party software and file system is locked and you cannot acess it
Apple: People get bullied because they cant afford our Product and therefore cant participate in the imessage bubble, well sucks for them, we aint cooperating with anything related to Android, literally even If we had to erase a whole continent from existence
This is crazy! I'm American and an Android user and never knew about this. I attribute this to being in the let's play/gaming community where we all use Discord and/or Snapchat to set up play schedules with people all over the world to stay in contact without giving people our phone numbers.
Yeah, Android user here too. I'm not in the gaming community but none of my friends or coworkers are big enough dicks to make fun of me for using a different phone than them. I definitely never knew this was a thing.
I love how Marques is actually aware of the international community and doesn’t just assume everyone is from America
you know you can view your viewer analytics right?
Thats literally his job he usually brings up outsiders most of the time, usually on his podcasts and stuff.
He always acknowledges us beyond the borders, and also you do realize he can easily look at where his viewership come from right?
POV: the replies are angry americans
yeah every other american youtuber just assumes that we don't exist
@@assassin9763 cue some science channels using bullshit measurement units that are only used in America and not converting to useful units
In Germany it is the opposite 😅 no one uses only iMessage.
It's WhatsApp, Telegram and Wire/Threema/Signal for everything
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Threema, I remember the panic after Whatsapp was deemed as less "Private"
Hey Kilian - unser MKBHD im deutschsprachigen Raum auch hier! :D (auf jeden Fall was die Qualität deiner Videos angeht!)
facebook messenger?
you will use imessage to your close friend that used iphone too.. that the way..
ive heard the "android users get less dates" thing before. trust me guys, if they dont like you because of your phone choice, you dodged a bullet.
indeed
That's a pretty effing big bullet to dodge too.....
Damn man in my country iPhone is so costly that if a girl has one I would voluntarily back off as she would be out of my league.
Yea thats pretty trashy lol "sorry you dont have the CORRECT PHONE"🤣
And the imessege games...sorry if i wanted to play a game ill go play on my console lol
I never really thought seriously about this until recently. I usually just use the default chat app. It was only until my younger sister told me she has an iphone because she felt pressured to do so. Seemed odd, but it was even stranger when i found out the pressures were tied to imessage and the green/blue bubbles. That her generation actually ostracizes anyone for being "green text". It was just so alien of a concept to me.
I just listened to 20 minutes about text messages, and never felt bored. Your video format and storytelling are top tier - Not to mention the production quality, which is off the charts!
you must be new here!
Indeed
Highly and well edited content. That’s some brain candy.
Then try Technology Connections, too lol
Exactly. I thought I would check it out for a couple of minutes, ended up watching the entire way through.
As an android user in the US, I've actually grown to appreciate the green bubbles thing a little bit. Maybe I'm just a contrarian, but I think that if someone doesn't want to be your friend because of your phone choice, then you really don't want them as a friend anyways. At this point it's just a filter for shallow people
Colocação perfeita! Estou aplicando o mesmo ponto de vista só que em apps. Se a pessoa não quer se dar ao trabalho de usar um app, que já está incluso em seu telefone, para falar comigo, então ela já está demonstrando meu nível de importância para ela. (No caso estou migrando do WhatsApp para o RCS no meu Android)
not necessarily shallow - Lazy could be another descriptor ;)
I've never heard of this being a thing.
Exactly they are just lazy dude if they can't switch to some app I don't know what efforts will they put anyways in a friendship 😂
Is it? As a European, I would freak out if someone texts me through SMS. That's not your fault, but I can't blame anyone not wanting to use that super old tech.
Important to note, iMessage doesn’t turn the android user’s bubble green. It turns the iPhone user’s bubble green. Like it’s punishing you for having a friend that doesn’t use apple products.
You aren’t supporting them with word of mouth advertising
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You can have an iPhone and talk to another iPhone but if you don't enable all iMessage features your messages will also be green
Hi Scott! Fancy seeing you here!
Aren't they being punished enough by having a robot phone?
I consider the lack of read receipts and typing indicators to be a bonus. Nobody accuses me of leaving them on read, and I can't be expected to respond to texts instantly. HUGE benefit and I couldn't care less what color my bubbles are.
you can turn off the read receipt...and green bubble is absolutely disgusting. It's not as appealing and warm to the eyes as blue is.
@@eminex_jr5573 Apple freak alert. 💀
That's why Apple chose those colors for you.@@eminex_jr5573
@eminex_jr5573 im an android user and i unfortunately agree
@@eminex_jr5573 The reactions messages are annoying, but Android users can change the bubbles to literally any color (customizable to every person in a gc), change the background of the DM/GC to any color OR image, and change the shape and style of the bubbles.
Wow, blows my mind as a non-American that this is an issue. Always interesting to hear about weird cultural aspect of countries though, even though this is a particularly crazy one! Thanks for the video Marques!
blows my mind as well and I'm in the US. i thought we left this whole iphone is the best and your not cool if you dont have one in the past. especially when they removed one of the most essential parts of a phone the headphone jack. you want me to blast my music to everyone around me in public? ok
@@bland9876 Word. As an citizen of Europe I was baffled to hear that people look down on others who aren't rocking iPhones.
Where I live, Android phones (mainly Samsungs) dominate the market. I'm guessing it's got a lot to do with price-tiers. Apple's cheapest offering is 400-500€ here and I know LOADS of people who won't shell out more than 150-300€ for a phone, no matter what specs it has or which brand it is.
So I'm positive things will stay that way unless Apple makes a seriously cheap phone (note: iPhone SE isn't cheap. It costs the same amount as flagship phones did many years ago. I remember the most expensive phone being around 500€ at some point and then it just got wayyyy out of hand when phones costed the same amount as dedicated gaming rigs and people expected you to change that in a a couple of years whereas gaming PCs can last ~5 years or so)
Android has more market share worldwide
@@Chertograad Tbf gaming rigs suck for making phone calls on the move, much as I keep trying.
@Teej Yeah, it’s a pretty irrelevant these days - most Android phones don’t have a headphone jack and Bluetooth headphone can be picked up for very little.
the amount of times I have been told to "just get an iphone" in response to my texts showing up green on their phones or limiting their group chat functionalities is astonishing. It's so refreshing to read these comments and see that this isn't a worldwide thing
@@xSkail Because like MKBHD said people in the US rather would use default messaging apps. And it’s true we do
i use an iphone 13 but if it werent for the persistence of my parents id be using thr pixel 6 pro
in my country, they make fun of you for using an iphone lmao
Part of my job is shipping cars across the usa and it makes my job 10 times easier when not having to deal with android users
Its amazing how people bully android users when this is technically an iphone issue
I'm from Switzerland. The iPhone is about as popular here as it is in the US but our default messaging app (for better and for worse) is in fact WhatsApp. That's the messaging app that everybody and your mom uses and that you kinda have to have, especially for group chats. While I absolutely detest the fact that a service from Meta has become the de facto standard in my country, I'm still glad that we don't have a problem with school bullying over the color of bubbles - at least as far as I know
Yeah in Germany (your neighbour) its the same, all use whatsapp, cool people telegram and even cooler ( and probably weirdos) signal or god forbid threema. I dont like whatsapp but i find the idea of getting all my boomer relatives introduced to another messenger too troublesome (and then they all habe to convince their boomer friends etc.). So as digitaly flexible as I am, I use 3 different Messengers.
@@StarkWurst My gf and I wanted to give Signal a try, just to message between ourselves, but the app made the phones (both of them) super hot and drained the battery so we went back to whatsapp lol
Same in the Netherlands,i think that a majority of Europe uses whatsapp,or atleast the benelux.
Same in india
Same in Paraguay and South America in general.
Thank you.
As someone from the Middle East and has seen different posts on Reddit regarding Android and iOS interactions, this video was very informative.
You also pointed out a good observation which is that one company shouldn't have all the communication
One point that was missed was that Google didn't originally set out to make their own RCS servers. RCS was supposed to be run by the phone companies, just like SMS and MMS. But the phone companies didn't see any profit in it, and very few bothered to implement it. After a few years of no progress, Google decided to bypass the phone companies.
wow thanks for this!
Yep. They did it as a response to iMessage. They know the same things that apple knows about all this.
And even after a few years of RCS it's still the same problem mentioned in this video. Getting everyone to switch to using RCS is pretty much impossible. Out of all the people I talk to that are also on an Android phone only one is using RCS.
Google be like: "Fine, I'll do it myself"
I hope RCS supports sharing full size 4K video - this was one of the biggest annoyances with SMS but even on WhatsApp and Messenger, the video is compressed and not in full quality like it is with iMessage. It calls into question an era when S21 Ultras can record in 8K, yet there are very few messaging apps on an Android phone that can seamlessly share that video without crushing the quality and defeating the purpose of recording in high res.
This is pretty interesting, how different cultures/countries/regions behave on that alone.
In Europe, I don't think I know anyone using their default messaging app. Everyone is on WhatsApp, Telegram, or Signal (or all of them)
The only messages I get over the default app are like parcel delivery updates lol
From the uk here, I'd say about 70% of the people I know don't use apple for phones most people here have a Samsung for e.g in my mid 20s and I'd say only 3 people in my friendship group out of 15 have an iPhone
The same for Latin America lol
I’m on an iPhone in the uk. Used to have a Samsung. I just use one of the 3rd party messaging apps. Like everyone else I know.
Seems kinda troublesome to me. Having to set up a 3rd party app and go through the trouble of a buddy list.
Same in South Africa except WhatsApp is really dominant
As a middle school educator, I’ve heard quite a number of students make fun of kids that have an android phone because of the green bubble. They would say their phones are slow, ugly, or cheap. It really is a problem.
Facts don’t care about those kid’s feelings unfortunately 😭
damn tuff
The from "think different" to "bully the different" arc.
Yeah. One of the issues is that SMS is so awful at data transfer, and so rare for kids to encounter these days, that iPhone-only kids don’t even realize that SMS is the problem, they think it’s the other person’s phone. They assume that the Android kid’s phone must be cheap, have a bad camera, not be very responsive, and so forth when it’s really the messaging service that’s to blame. From there you get into a lot of the terrible classism and shaming that kids get up to. So sad to see so much bullying around people’s phones
Apple did this by design. The blue bubble doesn't tell you something about the person sending the message, it tells you, you the receiver, that you are a special Apple user who received blue messages.
The saddest part is that young people are being cuffed into this apple ecosystem. The same young generation who's supposed to be tech savvy and extremely adaptable to change.
I am 15 years old and i am advancing to be more tech savvy
Hey hey. I just switched to a pixel 8 from being iPhone and iPod users all my life
Only in US.
Europe we have all sorts of phones.
@@HuskyminecraftFilms GG mate, you are escaping the matrix.
@@ayoutubeperson54321 proud of you my g, you don't get many tech savvy new gens these days, i myself am 18, and 99% ppl from my college don't even know how to switch the camera video to 60 fps
I like how as soon as the RCS segment starts, the blue and green bubbles get removed from the background. That's a nice touch.
Yeah, amazing detail!
I noticed the T shirt switching to "nexgen" 😂
I thought I was the only one who noticed 😂
I'm happy that I'm not the only one that noticed
But they wont be though
A while back I was working remote with a project manager using an iphone. As an android user his group imessages were genuinely one of the best experiences I've ever had. Never receiving a proper invite was a wonderful excuse to miss zoom meeting.
Lol
Lol I phone is for kids
Cool story bro
@@Eds-universes or older people? Iphones are extremely restrictive and hates you tinkering with it. So people dumb enough to misuse the freedom they're allowed in android and ruin the experience wouldn't be able to do the same in an Iphone
Are you being sarcastic, or was it really a good experience? Other Android users have complained about not being able to use iMessage-exclusive features when texting with an iPhone user.
This reminds me about a time in college when I went to a conference in Philly for a nonprofit organization I was involved in. The organizers set up a group chat over iMessage to give all the participants updates about the activities that would take place over 3 days. Out of over 20 participants from chapters all over the country, I was the only one with an Android phone. I missed out on a lot of the features in the chat and trying to text back was a nightmare. The person I got assigned as a roommate was kind enough to pass over some of the information that was being discussed, but I can't emphasize how dystopian and isolating it felt to be there with all these people while feeling like I was outside of a bubble. The insight in this video was real 😶
Its things like this that make realize the green vs blue bubble thing is even worse than i thought😬
I’m not sure how you miss information in the texts.
Do you mean that people were replying to iMessages and it was hard for your follow a chain file replies because they aren’t linked together on android?
@@martinhawes5647 no they just flat out didn’t include him because his android phone would completely ruin the group chat. Even in my family group chat we only include those with iPhones. The sms experience is straight garbage compared to iMessage
Lol 😂 that's sad
thats horseshit- they should've used telegram
man I hate that shit...I heard it's the same in hair and make up in the film industry.
Thank you for breaking this down so eloquently and articulately . As an elder millennial I was like ' wtf is even going on?!?' as if we don't already have enough legit conflicts, wars and battles going on in this world...
Wtf is elder millenial. I swear if you are younger than me
Switched to Android about two years ago and all my friends immediately made fun of me for having a green bubble. It was in good fun but definitely got annoying around the sixth time
Those are not real friends! Real friends not make fun of each other.
i would definitely make fun of you for switching to android and having green bubbles.
@@kemcolian2001 doesn't matter about someone's sex.
@@leaninheavy this why ur father left for milk💀💀💀
This chat thread gives off so many new gen vibes 😂
Apple: "We solved a problem!"
Also Apple: "That we created."
The first one would be "We are selling the solutions of the problem".
And this is why they're selling $1,000 wheels for their Mac tower
yeah it was the same with the removed headphone jack and then selling the adapter and the AirPods .-.
Sounds like a Futurama joke
marketing 101
genuinely fascinated about the green vs blue thing as a US android user who never even realized this was a thing. def encountered the groupchat issue but it's usually not hard to find an app everyone can use instead when that does come up
Yea I mean there’s tons of social media with messaging in them
There's only 5 of us out of 13 or so in our group chat that don't have iPhones. No one's ever complained. I didn't even realize it was an issue. They make fun of us, which is expected. But nothing about the group chat. I do have an iPad but I don't use it for anything outside of Goodnotes and Procreate
Same, what's funny is android can react to messages and things as well. So it's essentially just iPhone only wanting to work with other iPhones while every other phone brand in existence has no problem interacting with each other lol
Now the group chat thing isn't even an issue. I'm in a company group chat with both Iphone and Android users (I'm on android) all the features he talks about in this works on the android side. Not sure what the apple experience is like, but mine is just fine
@@oxjuliaaaxo that's weird, I'm Indian so I may not understand but why is making fun of Androids expected?
The irony is- The iMessage app is in green colour 😂
It completely blows my mind that someone would turn down a potential relationship based on the color of their message bubble. Discrimination has hit a new low.
Well if you look at the psychology of dating. It's really interesting it's mostly driven by our caveman evolution. Men tend to value physical attractiveness characteristics because it's an indicator of ability to successfully rear a child.
Meanwhile women are more pre disposed to find wealth and other reasource gathering characteristic, as well a social status as a significant form of attractiveness. Because that shows you can provide for them during the reasource intensive process of growing, birthing, and nursing a child when they can't take care of themselves as easy.
There is a wealth of psychological data that shows women fairly consistently refuse to pair with men they perceive as either poorer then them, or has less social status then them. Not absolute but incredibly common.
And if there is a perception of Android users being poor because a lack of a green bubble. Well there you go.
I am also willing to bet its significantly more women then men stopping dates with the reveal of phone differences. Men care about boob size and hip width. Women care about money, and charisma.
@@imjashingyou3461 If you genuinely think like this I hope you never have to interact with other human beings in real life. Get help.
@@ekyanso4253 lol someone thinks he's funny and superior. I don't think in these terms. It's what psychology and anthropology studies done by Harvard, University of Wisconsin, University of Michigan, and a number of others have CONSISTENTLY shown and I have read them in the course of my time in college.
What different sexes find attractive in dating is driven by ancient evolution and the greatest ability of your offspring surving to pass on your genes. That's just not debatable and I'm sorry it doesn't line up with modern views on equality and morality. It's also not how everyone is attracted to everyone. It's on a scale and there are outliers.
There is plenty of research out there for you too read as well. Instead of leaving narascasisitic comments on posts about science.
@@imjashingyou3461 I really do not get how someone is gonna reject a person BECAUSE OF A RECTANGLE IN THEIR HAND
@@imjashingyou3461 all your claims on caveman brains and why we would instinctually seek those things are correct in a vacuum. I'm not arguing that we don't have drives or instincts, or that some people allow themselves to be carried by those instincts.
It absolutely happens lol.
My beef is that you then extrapolate that to the extreme, to the point you're essentially saying "men are pigs and women are gold diggers". I know far, far more men who love their partners for their personality rather than looks, and way more women who care about whether a man is kind and loving rather than their economic status. In fact most of the women I've known are cautious around powerful men because they tend to be egocentric or dangerous.
So to claim that women are the most likely to end a relationship based on a fucking speech bubble color is ignorant at best and just sexist at worst.
I like how he gradually explains things. It’s easy for mind to understand. The whole point of RCS and messaging is clear to me now.
Yes, the fact is most people won't care enough about this to know how RCS differs from SMS, iMessage, etc. They'll gravitate to the easiest method of communication that just works.
God forbid apple implements anything that isn't their own proprietary crap.
The bubble thing is so weird to me as someone from Europe where literally everyone uses WhatsApp and it doesn't matter what phone you have. I think more people use Android here these days too.
When Whatsapp went down I screamed aty WiFi box😂
Yeah I think Apple has like a 22% market share
I don't even know anyone with an iphone anymore. And indeed, WhatsApp has always been the standard here. I didn't know anyone uses the default message apps on phones at all lmao.
The fuck is whatsapp?
@@Helperbot-2000 r u. Being serious
Two years from now and Google announcing they've done everything they can to make RCS compatible iMessage. This video aged surprisingly well.
I live in the US and I never heard about this whole green vs blue bubble thing until an iPhone user in a group chat was complaining to me. I was like, I can make the color whatever I want to in the theme settings.
😂😂😂 same mine is pink!!
Its not really the color that most apple users care about its the fact that when a group chat becomes green bubble it becomes basically unusable because you can’t add or get rid of people, send photos and vids (without it compressing etc). Its not the color that most people care about, just what it symbolizes.
@@tescomealdeals4613Solution: Dont use iMessage
@@tescomealdeals4613 Why everyone not act like grown adults and switch to whatsapp? Or any other cross platform messaging app?
Kinda based ngl
As an adult, when someone tells me to just get an iPhone because of them ugly green text bubbles, I just shrug and tell them, "not my problem." I am now realizing that this is a harder issue for younger people dealing with being bullied and excluded from conversations over something so trivial.
You have no idea about how many connections and opportunities you’ve missed out on because of that logic
People joke about this. Is not serious
Yeh exactly. We used to care what people think of us when we were kids. As we got older we didn't give a shit.
This is just hilarious. I don't know any other ountry in the world that doesn't have a standard besides US. And is actually leading to social problems which is even more ridiculous
@@rwjisdabest1 so what kind of world breaking opportunities have your received?
The way Marques explained this eloquently while taking a realistic approach to the scenario was absolutely commendable!
My only issue is the part about Android users feeling ostracized. That's mostly just iphone users' perception of Android users. We don't feel ostracized. We mostly just feel confused about why some iphone users love Apple so much, when the company clearly hates them.
@@ChirdXtreme Don't think the company "clearly" hates us. That also sounds like an Android, Window's users' perception of why to use any other device than an Apple device.
@@TheGoman21 They make you pay extra for years old tech and laugh all the way the the bank. i.e. $800 for a 64gb RAM upgrade in the Mac Studio they announced today. Apple is extremely hostile toward their customers.
@@ChirdXtreme lol @ "extremely hostile". I'm a Pixel user and even I felt that was a bit hyperbolic 😂
@@ChirdXtreme it's so called "elitism", you pay extra buy you're the elite so you better afford it 😂
apple isn't hostile, it's just extremely greedy
Very strange to see that SMS became even more popular in the US with the advent of the smartphone. In many other places, particularly the UK where I am from, third party messaging services made SMS practically obsolete for personal messaging, starting even before smartphones came along. This is because SMS messages were pretty expensive, could be around 15p per message.
The big difference is that in the US they had early free unlimited sms in their services(they weren’t cheap, but it was the only thing they could get). In Europe for most people it was way cheaper to use WhatsApp, because subscription to unlimited Texting was too expensive.
Same here in Brazil! Once 3G got cheape enough that everybody could afford it, SMS became totally obsolete because using Whatsapp was "free" while you still had to pay for each SMS which also was a worse option to communicate.
I usually text family or friends that I don't have on social media. Sometimes I'll chat with friends over an app. I'm not sure if America has a universal chat app that everybody uses except everybody already has sms on their phone.
Yeah, and even now it costs 50c to send an MMS in my country (NZ)
That's expensive. Here in the Philippines, our regular load, one peso per message without promo like all text or unlicalls.
That's interesting. In my work space at least people tend to groan when someone brings an apple into group stuff because it always tends to cause so many problems with all the other varied systems we use.
I have an iPhone in the uk and the only reason I ever use iMessage is to play 8ball
Exactly
Yeah, I think iMessage is a North America thing. Most Europeans just use WhatsApp
@@MrKsk14 not just europeans dude, all the asia(except china) uses whatsapp as their default.
@@MrKsk14 how thinking people can use anything that's belong to facebook. I mean no offense by that's just putting a stick in a wasp's nest
Yea i lived in 2 different countries and none use the default
European here and you were totally right at the beginning of the video. Basically nobody uses the default message app here. We use a combination of Whatsapp, Facebook messenger, Discord and in rare cases Email/Gmail for all the messages we send. The fact that there are differences in the quality of the messages between the operating systems is absolutely insane to me. Also I've noticed that there is a separation in the use cases of each of these apps, for example older people mainly use messenger or whatsapp while younger people also use Discord.
Telegram got some news for you
ok didnt ask
@@bananakawan1320 sorry we dont care if u didn't ask, the world doesnt revolve around you.
@@mayukhdatta4017 dont care if u dont care L
@@bananakawan1320What are you doing here? Trying to start a fight? Just stop, go about your day.
as a person from a country where virtually everyone and their mom uses whatsapp, its difficult for me to comprehend the scale of the blue bubble - green bubble problem. from a consumer perspective, apple should add rcs support, but from their perspective, it seems like they're better off not adding it because it strengthens their "walled garden". awesome video as always marques :)
What's Whatsapp
@@gumerzambrano crypto 🤣
how is it difficult to comprehend? mkbhd explained it perfectly in this video. are you slow?
It's basically a weird form of bullying / classicism / social segregation
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. That's the reason they won't do it until they have to. They won't profit from doing it and NOT doing helps the "walled garden" imagery amongst their consumers. To help you comprehend the scale of the blue/green bubble problem in the U.S., Apple/iPhone has like 40-45% of the phone marketshare here (that's total, not just 18-24 year olds), all of those people ALL use iMessage. Almost the entire other half of the country all use SMS/MMS, with a small portion of that (let's say like 10%) all split amongst people using apps like Whatsapp, Telegram, or Signal to talk to either other tech fans or people outside the U.S. (and all of those people still use SMS/MMS most often with their Whatsapp/Telegram/Signal use being secondary). So it's a very big noticeable thing here.
As someone with no friends, I see this as an absolute win.
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Watching the channel for years and I must say, the latest docuseries-like content is like small, polished bites of tech history. I love the origins and nuance details of the stories being told. I know there's a viewership collateral risk for videos upwards of 20 minutes, but these are golden. Insightful and enlightening. Keep it going bruh.
Idk how common this is but I watch all youtube videos at 1.5x or 1.75x so i don't even really notice if a video is 20 minutes long
@@monketok141 i watched at 1.25 speed to save a bit of time!
I have to agree!! I have been a fan for SO many years and I found that video HELLA interesting! Thank you for the background, the story telling was unique and interesting. Did you get new writers? Or been working on your writing more because it shows. Love your show man.
@@monketok141 same. I started doing that when I got into watching video podcasts. It's weird now when I watch a video at regular speed. It seems so slow.
ya the switching default thing is actually a super tough process!! as someone who's been using whatsapp since the beginning, the recent wave of switching to signal over the data privacy issue with WhatsApp was the perfect example where people just made accounts on there but not even half the people actually switched their "default" and just stuck to whatsapp.
Yeah this happened to me too
This 'lock-in' is frustrating for sure.
Not only did I switch to Signal at the time, I pushed my entire company (at least in my region) to switch to Signal from WhatsApp.
I may have to poke the right people at my workplace to move the company from WhatsApp to Signal. Myself and my partner use it instead of any Meta owned chat apps.
Yep, moving people to Signal here too.
I love this video, didn’t realize this monstrosity was US specific. As a tech head I always thought this was ridiculous.
I’m the other way around. I kinda despise the WhatsApp monopoly. I wish we could pay for the product, not using our privacy.
People like to make drama from nothing.
@@MiesvanderLippe all of your personal info is already everywhere on the Internet. Nobody will ever be safe. Paying to text??? Fuck that, I'd rather give them my data
We have the same issue in Canada, so you're not entirely alone.
I didn't even know iMessage existed until this video
I saw this and had to watch it to see how you could stretch this subject into a 20 minute video. Very informative, great job!
I'm a two decade exec in the messaging business, this is one of the best assessments of the obstacles and opportunities. Well done !💪
I have always been confused by it. Some people are weirdly intense about having blue vs green bubbles. It feels like one of those things that's just unnecessarily dividing.
kind of like people not wanting to date someone because of their zodiac sign. i laugh every time i meet someone like that🤣
It's more or less like "I am more wealthy than you, haha" kinda thing tbh
Sheeple gonna sheeple
It's the exact same as console wars. We are always gonna be divided over the stupid stuff. We just gotta be together for when the real shit happens.
Seriously I remember first hearing someone talk about this a few years ago n just assuming that they were 100% joking since I just couldn't fathom seriously caring about something sooo meaningless lol.
I was hoping for a Waveform clip from the podcast for this, but awesome to see it become a full video! Thanks MKBHD team!
yeah they clipped it too
They actually did clip it. It's the RCS chat one
@@halkon4412 I just watched it the other day then boom here we are lol
15:33 apple when they see something that isnt proprietary to them: 😮😮😮
I played lacrosse in college, and a few weeks into my first year my friend in the team asked me why I didn't go to a team event. I asked her what she was talking about and she said "you know the thing we all talked about in the group chat!" I said "what group chat?" That's when we both realized that I was the only one on the team not in this chat. I let the girl who made the group know that I wasn't in n it and she said she knew, she just didn't add me because she "didn't want green in the chat." That's when I realized how much I hate iPhones, solely for the exclusivity aspect and false sense of superiority it gives people.
I’m sure you’re from America
Damm, I hate iphones
😂😂
@@Payamps17 Me too. I don't want my money supporting this kind of BS and harassment
Wow, she could have at least told you about the event privately. I have an iPhone and I’ve never thought like this. I just like how seamless it is to text other iPhone users but I don’t discriminate lol
My perspective living in the US but being a millennial that grew up in Mexico. When talking about how predisposed people is to use the default apps on their phone, well not necessarily. This phenomenon of Whatsapp being used outside of the US was about timing. In Mexico WhatsApp was introduced before we had "unlimited texting" and of course before WhatsApp was acquired by Meta, so it was cheaper to send a WhatsApp vs a text, and because of this people learned to use the app. There was no predisposition because people wanted to save money, i don't know a single person in Mexico that doesn't know what WhatsApp is. People in the US just had and have more advantages that have allowed them to stay comfortable with their default option of texting.
Well said.
True, that's valid for my country too
I grew up in mexico and I remember using just what’s app for messaging sending media
Same for Jamaica.
he said most people in the US use the default apps on the phone
Yeah I've heard about this for a while. Here in Ireland WhatsApp is the standard, there aren't many people who don't use it. About a third of my friends have Discord too. The only time I use Apple messages is when I get a 2FA code or shipping updates. Great vid Marques!
I’d say Snapchat is the standard for the younger generations but WhatsApp is still fairly well used by everyone
Exactly the same reason we use messages for, here in India.
Here in Brazil whatsapp is the standard too, everyone uses it.
Same situation in Fiji. 90% of the people I know who have iPhones, don't bother with iMessage or don't know that it's a thing at all. Majority of the people in my country use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger or Viber.
Need to make an effort to move to signal from whatsapp.
US: you have an Android? 💀
Rest of the world: YOU HAVE AN IPHONE? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤮🤮🤮🤮🤓🤓🤓
This was a super interesting video! I'm an android user and my friends always (mostly) joke about the text bubble colors. Honestly Apples unwillingness to cooperate to make a better user experience makes me even more unlikely to ever get an iPhone lol
Your friends are weird dude ive never had anyone say anything
on android phones on the googles messaging app you can change your chat color and messages color so we can have orange green blue white red bubbles it doesnt just show up like that on iphone because they use an outdated protocol and not the new one for non ios users
@@brandonlane4385 those are pretty regular iphone user jokes so you prob just dont know many
@@BosnianHeisenbergmine is like pastel orange cuz I did some customization
Lol, I'm the only android user on my work friends group chat and they're always complaining that my android ruins the chat but I will not go to apple for something as silly as that. The way Apple runs their business and services their customers is just criminal.
As a middle-aged mom who has only used Android phones, I appreciated this explainer. Although I feel zero social pressure regarding whether my texts to others are blue or green, I do appreciate things like read receipts (which I get from other Samsung users) and wish those kinds of features were cross-platform. I'll be keeping my eyes open now for more info on RCS messaging options.
You could have RCS right now! If you go into samsung messages > settings, you may see "chat settings" which is RCS, enable it and you can access those settings. I hope this helps!
What we need to do on the Android side is get everyone using the Google Messages app. It's really the cleanest messaging app I know of, and it's available to all android users, and runs RCS, so we can all at least have modern messaging between us. Then there's just the great Google Messages vs iMessage divide, which I assume won't be fixed until the iPhone is made to support RCS, which who knows when/if that will ever happen.
@@christopherpape4823 your are kind of right I feel like google and samsung are working on something like that 🤔 because on the new samsung phones there coming with the Google messenger as default but re-design a bit to fit with samsung UI looks super clean might be a step forward. Imo
I had a moto phone and had read receipts also
Xiaomi phones are good budget phone many people talking about it on RUclips .
Glad you not caving in the hype
Only grandmas use imessage. The rest use whatsup , telegram , snapchat.
7:50 - This is a real thing. In high school, I remember feeling left out of social groups, opportunities, etc. because I had an Android. Couldn’t be in group messages or FaceTime calls, and even Snapchat quality was worse.
Years later none of this matters now, but it is interesting to see how the exclusivity of the Apple ecosystem affects adolescent relationships and social environments.
Well I wish I could just someone to advise me..I wanna enter the smartphone market
And I wished mkbhd could give me some advise
Been trying to enter for years now
Have ideas
A lot
Hey mkbhd
I love your page
this sounds horrible, tbh
If that's a basis to absolutely abandon you from the group, you don't want them in your life anyways. It's a blessing in disguise.
I thought that in 2024 we'll discuss about flying cars, high tecnology and living in other planets, but we are discussing about green and blue bubles. LOL
"..pretty much nearly everywhere else the iPhone isn't as dominant..." MKBHD, that's a very relevant assertion right there especially for people like me watching you from a continent that has 82% Android (OS) dominance. I'm glad you are recognizing the fact that there'r alot of people outside of the US following your channel with very little apple/iOS influence in their lives. Great stuff👍
@@quarterlifethings more forward than yours i think 🤔
@@quarterlifethings literally most of the Europe countries have more android phone than iphone users. I dont know what in the actual hell is wrong with you by saying that but you are definitely messed up
@@quarterlifethings So this man is appreciating Marques for not being an stereotypical ignorant American and you come in to remind us that no matter how smart Marques is those stereotypes are still true.
@@sak2407 hey so I completely agree with you that quartetmusic is a moron and a stereotypical American but there lots of non ignorant Americans such as myself and Marques. I promise you that, so try not to generalize based on one moron
@@quarterlifethings the typical American 😂😂😂
As an American, after I met my boyfriend who is Japanese, he introduced me to LINE. It is SO much more appealing than default messaging. Plus the stickers are on point lol. It also can act as a mini, completely closed social media with ONLY close friends on it. Living in Japan now, most people around me never use their default messaging whatsoever with even notifications from services, doctors offices/appointments, restaurants, coupons, retail stores, etc all use LINE codes to message you info rather than your phone number. Even the post office gives you updates through LINE and allows you to choose the time and date that your package Is delivered so that they know when you are home, straight through using LINE. I’ve also scheduled my dental appointments directly through LINE app.
Interesting!
So basically in Japan they use LINE, but is it the same in Korea for example? Or just a country thing?
@@LightningSnake I believe Kakao talk is Korea's number one messaging app
@@1silenthunder1 This is true. Kakao is basically Korean equivalent of LINE. If you have friends in Korea or plan on traveling there (even for vacation), it's beneficial to have Kakao
I was once dating a Thai woman who I also got on Line for - really loved it! Would use as my default if anyone in the states without an asian connection knew about it
Japan is LINE, also Taiwan and Thailand use LINE alot
Korea is Kakao Talk, China/HongKong is Wechat, Vietnam is Zalo
As a non American (New Zealander) The iPhone surpremacy absolutely baffles me. Here a majority of the people I know avoid apple like the plague because they don't wanna pay out the ass when android has better value alternatives and an open ecosystem. If anyone were to care about the green blue bubble thing they are liable to be bullied, not the other way around. It's such a weird superficial thing that makes me even more confused about American culture
As an American, I agree it's absolutely stupid that people can get bullied for being the "wrong color", first world problems are so stupid
And you are sane and wise to be baffled! So good to hear. I was born here and find it ridiculous as I find much of American ways. Green blue bubbles, iPhone snobbery, 🍎 's slick marketing and gullible masses.
Smarter than Aussie's these days, slowly slipping into the iCult more and more
So I use an iPhone. But the biggest reason I use it is because it works so intuitively. The few times I’ve used android phones connecting them to anything like headphones, my car, using them for work, or just whatever they always seemed to be a little more difficult. Apple products just seem to work how I expect them to work. I’m not super tech savvy so I don’t want to have to put any effort into it. It does what I want it to do and what I expect it to do.
Dude... The EXACT same here in Brazil, 80% of our phones are Android.
That's why New Zealand > US honestly. :P
Your description of the messaging app wars reminded me of the IM wars of the late 90s/early 00s and how I just had to use Trillian to connect to all of them, because I couldn't get everyone on a single service.
In the UK it seems fairly normal to have different apps in use, usually depending on who sets up the group. E.g. my dad set up the family chat, so it's on Telegram, local political stuff and parent groups tends to be on WhatsApp, sports teams on Facebook etc. Huge switch to slack recently also.
yep
yet mkbhd claim that younger generation find it hard to switch the platforms lol which is totally opposite
@@blackcat-mp7kh Yes, I also thought him claiming the majority of people cling to the default apps a bit exaggerated. Even if your phone doesn't come with say, whatsapp pre-installed, you'll get it in 3 times because it's where everybody else is. Either that or Americans are a special brand of lazy.
@@soundscape26 well... If the past couple of years have taught us anything abt the US... A large section of them ARE a special brand of lazy and petty and full of shit.
true
I love how many non-Americans watched this entire video. Reading the comments, I see WhatsApp has locked up the international texting. So green versus blue won’t apply to many. It’s not always the content, but sometimes just the person speaking we love. That’s why this channel has over 15 MILLION subs. Amazing. 👋👍
@Bob Wangson LOL good luck giving Apple your data.
@Bob Wangson Stop. 😒
@Bob Wangson Don't speak.
@@romxxii the difference is I would rather apple have my data than Facebook, the millions of dollars in data leak lawsuits kept me away from that
@@blizyon30fps86 There's no lesser evil both are bad. Bad is bad. Stop being biased. You only want to stroke your ego with that excuse of using Apple app.
I love how, even as an ecosystem-ranter myself, I went into this video thinking "out of all the things you could talk about, you go on about bubble colours?" and you turn it into an informative sermon - and I'm not even halfway through
Stunning…and brave 👏🏼
omg - you explained this so well! best i have seen so far. Wow - thanks!!
As someone from the UK where everyone (including parents) use WhatsApp - i can't imagine how annoying it must be not having a defacto standard that everyone can use. I'm also surprised that WhatsApp became so popular in the UK, i would imagine most people would stick to default apps here too
People in India are spending more time in whatsapp than in colleges. There's a famous 'Whatsapp University' where everyone graduates in here.
we should really change to Signal though, Zuck can suck it
Whatsapp became popular in the UK at first because most young people at the time either had a Blackberry or an iPhone, and it allowed Blackberry Messenger style chats cross platform. Then when Android became more popular and people ditched Blackberrys it just became the default app.
Yea it's funny how WhatsApp has become the default in the UK. It was great up until fucking facebook bought it. Big sad.
Companys charged for texts. WhatsApp was free. No brainer why it became the default messaging service.
This drives me absolutely bonkers in the states. I'm a European, temporarily based in the US, sticking to Android because of a million reasons, and yet I still have to deal with this "controversy" whenever I message people here, and those annoying reaction texts back (that's the Android equivalent bad experience as Apple's green bubble).
With everyone outside the states, I just use Whatsapp or any one of multiple other ones. It's so much easier and more modern. So annoying that Apple is keeping us in the 90s, including those of us who wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone!
It would be so much easier if everyone just used an iPhone.
Ok , not you , then. You say you use an android
@@poluticon not everybody wants a shitty iPhone
@@poluticon nuh lol
@@poluticon or you can just use whatsapp
"our communication gets a little more rich" I see what you did there Marques
and I appreciate as always
It was the same "social pressure" when Blackberry had its message service with the PIN. People wanted a Blackberry to be "part of the wave" and to enjoy something that they seem to be missing (me included). It's normal, there are options out there and you have the freedom to try them.
We need someone to get on an interview with Craig and say “Apple has always been about security, why support the old and flawed SMS format when a far better and more secure alternative in RCS exists?”
Why bother with RCS when we have an even better and more secure iMessage?
@@gfyGoogle because messages to users without iMessage are not secure.
@@gfyGoogle Because that's not compatible with any non-Apple products. If Apple really wants security, they should also want security when iPhone users message Android users.
Because me Tim Cock, me like money, me no like innovating. Money, yom yom yom. Buy more iPhone yom yom yom.
@@gfyGoogle Better only insofar as you trust Apple's handling of your data... Keep in mind that when iMessage data gets sent through "the internet" what that really means is "through servers owned and operated by Apple." And sure, Apple pays a lot of lip service to privacy, but how long before we either find out that they do occasionally take a peak or some third party manages to hack and skim the data followed by a phishing attack to get decryption passwords? (Exhibit A: American Boomers, many of whom are on iPhone.)
The idea that all this intimately personal data for so many users is stored in one place by one company should make you uncomfortable (or at least think before you type).
7:45 - 🤯 This segment helped my wife and I to understand why our 14-year-old is constantly asking for an iPhone even though she has a galaxy note 8… she’s already having some difficulties connecting with people she goes to school with and not having an iPhone could make her even less connected to them. I’m 43, so I didn’t make that connection… my wife and I were looking at it from our perspective of just having a phone is special, we never realized (until I showed her this video after watching it meals) how important an iPhone is to a teenager “fitting in” with her peers. Thank you MKBHD… I love the way you break things down, and this is probably my favorite video now!
So will you buy your kid an iphone?
Stuff like this is why I'm glad I was an antisocial introvert in high school, I didn't have to buy an iPhone I didn't want just due to peer pressure lol
@@Freak80MC But the thing is that if you had those things you wouldn't have been an anti social introvert... which meant you would have had a more fulfilling and happy high school experience (meaning better network, better jobs, more money, more social life etc)
@@ProrokC2 we gave her my old 6s plus for now but we are looking at buying her an XR for her birthday.
@@Freak80MC everyone had a different experience in high school; my step daughter has a few things going against her and she’s hurting… depression is a real killer of teens and we want her to have a good experience. If this helps her depression and social experience, and don’t think we won’t take it from her for punishment if she’s misbehaving, we will do what we can.
It's sad how Apple has reinforced classism and "otherism" among teenagers and young adults by making a distinction in the devices through (what has become) the primary mode of communication for a lot of people. I'm a borderline middle age dad now, but I even remember being judged by women on dating apps when we'd first connect and they'd say, "You use an Android?" as if the mobile phone I was using meant I was below them. I've also experienced the same thing in the professional working world. People who should absolutely know better -- and ironically, act very woke and progressive -- are super judgmental of those who use Android devices, as if associating with them means that it's a knock against them or somehow will affect their standing in the workplace or something. It's so f'ing weird. I hate it so much.
The funniest thing is that the smart women actually also use Android phones because the customizability is way higher. Not saying that "only dumb ones use iPhone", but that "the dumber ones typically do"
So, what you're telling me, is that the green speech bubbles saved you a lot of trouble and heartbreak. Cause these wouldn't have been keepers had the bubbles not existed.
Is it because dumb people can not use an android?!
You have more options on android.
And it's not always cheaper. I got the Galaxy S20 Ultra, which started off at $1400...
Ones not better than the other, they’re just different.
"Noooo, we're not monopoly, it's just convenience" *tearing soy jack face*
As a European, the chat habits in the US sound so weird to me. Here almost no one uses imessage anymore, whatsapp is the standard and the idea of being obliged to choose between a phone I like and being able to properly communicate with my friends drives me mad
Exactly, I never use/used iMessages, it’s ALWAYS Whatsapp here in Europe.
Think of it this way. Almost everyone I message uses iPhones. Why would I want yet another app for the random green bubble?
If you notice, it is WhatsApp that has this dominance that Marques is talking about...except for one country
@@lVlegabyte should be 3 green bubbles for every 10 people in a chat, and will probably become 4 or even 5 at this rate
@@lVlegabyte your iPhone is a communication device. Why would you limit its ability to fulfil that function? I have half a dozen messaging apps installed and I don't care which one the person trying to reach me wants to use.
Last year, I had to send a screenshot to one of my friends living in the California USA, she immediately noticed it was taken from an android phone (given the status bar), and she was baffled by it. She asked me why i wasn't using an iPhone, I politely replied Android is much more customizable and buying and iPhone costs as much as buying a new car over here in india. Instead of understanding the economical imbalance and differences, she poor shamed me for using an Android phone and poked fun at me for about 15 minutes, She wasn't even a kid, a fully grown up working class woman
And I've noticed this problem is only persistent in USA, none of my friends from any other developed countries gave 2 damns about me using an Android Phone
American people can’t understand the economic differences. They are growing up in bold houses with garages. Every family has a station wagon family car which can be bought for only 2000 bucks etc. The prices are reasonable because they produce anything. But unlike Most of the European countries there are lots of hillbilly kinda tactless people among them. Thats because there are lots of people from different countries creating new things for America It is like the capital city of Earth lots of non American people working for America. Except this aspect, the people in America is not much different than non developed countries. They are only powerful because of the collective interracial minds there. Most of the standart people are like I said hill billies or a bit more educated version of it.
I can guarantee you, that woman doesn't know shit about tech at all.
Its fucking annoying. Apple has quite litterally, made a damn cult, and it hurts. They actively manipulate people to create this.
If that was a reaction you got out of an adult, wait 'til you see what that does to a impressionable school kids.
@@6oLsh0i6o0z3 damn man .
When I had an Android phone, people used to mock me when I would try to text a video to their iPhones. They'd make jokes about how terrible Android cameras were because the video on their end would look super grainy and awful as Marques showed in that example clip of his Tesla. I would try to stand up for myself and try to explain that the low-quality video had nothing to do with my phone and had everything to do with Apple's stubbornness around MMS and compression, but no one ever really listened. It's a sad truth for us American tech enthusiasts.
Seems like Apple fans are as stubborn as the company itself.
Unfortunate that Apple profits from keeping their users dumb about technology.
Yes
Yup
Apple is the very definition of a company that only caters towards their own consumers by locking them in to monopolize everything, which in my opinion makes them look bad because they simply look (and are) selfish, while Google and other companies try to push for universal options for things that all people use...I'm fine with Apple and phone model exclusives but basic things like messaging and calling should all be universally good
As a Spaniard, this video sounds INSANE. I am so glad apple isn't normalised here and people use stuff like telegram, whatsapp and discord instead
Literally, if they want to use iPhone, they use it, but don't mandate to use it.
I laughed very hard when he started to say, "well maybe an optimist would say Google could make a good competing messaging app..." knowing exactly where that was going.
I'm gonna be honest, my google based messaging app doesn't have any problems. But I also only send texts to singular people once in a while on it. Over here people do Groupchats etc. on Whatsapp, Telegram or stuff like that where you basically sending online messages crossplatform.
I mean Google has many times
They just have the habit of killing them off lmao
I was 5050 between the fact that they have made and killed, I think 7 messaging apps last I checked, or the fact that they also tried to develop RCS to little avail.
@@BassBanj0 Google: a trillion dollar company with some of the brightest minds and greatest talent in the world, and the attention span of a squirrel.
Yes I'm still salty about GPM
Yup. I remember that Hangouts phase. I was hopeful haha
That's why my wife (iPhone) and I (Android) switched to Signal for all our messaging. It's secure, and it just works, including all those modern features (typing indicators, videos, images, likes etc.). And we've noticed more and more of our friends switching too. So - at least here in Europe - I guess people are starting to get ready to switch to new messaging apps.
signal's groups are great too. use it almost solely nowadays
Its end-to-end encryption and privacy are the cherry on top!
99% of my communication between my close friends and family is in Signal group chats, and its so, soooo great
What do you mean Europe? I have lived in Spain, Germany, Netherlands and Switzerland and 100% of people use, or have, whatsapp/telegram in their phones
Commenting for the algorithm cause more people need to get on signal
So iMesaage could default to RCS when messaging outside of iPhones, everyone could have increased modern features, and iPhones could still have some unique features to encourage people go with them over Android. Sounds fine to me.
That would be if Apple ran their company like a nice person would. This is capitalism.
I would very much like apple to separate iMessage and SMS into two separate apps, so I can ignore SMS all together. Also if messages app supports RCS, it will still be green bubbles, because RCS by default is still not end-to-end encrypted (I know the Google version is).
why would they wanna give u more features when their goal is to switch you to an iphone
@@crwhhx lul you watched an entire video about how apple monopolising and exploiting peoples messaging with imessage was bad and your take is that you wish they segregated the types of messages so you could ignore veryone that uses sms?
@@crwhhx so you are part of the problem then? You'd happily ignore anyone that's not using an iPhone? How mad is that.
This video is actually really interesting. I'm not from US, so I didn't know about this preference for the default apps and that would include iMessage. I live on Brazil, and the default messaging app over here is Whatsapp, with Telegram in second place. The reason for that is how iPhones are prohibitively expensive, even the cheapest ones. Not only that but a large amount of the population still prefer using smartphones which are over half a decade old by this point, sometimes more.
If people aren't gonna use super high end features like better processing and graphics and the old phones still do the essentials, like messaging, entertainment and light gaming, there is no reason to swap. And I think this is bad, because it means Apple and other companies are being left out. Brazil is the seventh largest population in the world and the most popular phones here are the really old ones and Xiaomi devices. Samsung tries to get a cut but only A series have any chance.
So yeah, iPhone is not very tempting over here, unless is only to have the brand on the back of the phone because there aren't any features the general public would prefer on iOS.
here, or at least in cali, everyone has an iphone
Interesting that MMS blew up in the US. Here in Germany, it was a very expensive novelty that no one used.
Exactly, and now WhatsApp is the norm
That's exactly it. MMS really just counted towards your data limit in the US. Elsewhere it had a fee attached to it. So there was strong pressure to use something else. That pressure didn't exist in the US.
It didn't cost anything to send. Maybe that's why whatsapp didn't get popular in the US
i think it still costs a lot of money in germany, another reason why i never use the messages app on my iphone, i just assume sending a picture using Messages costs money. Most people have Android devices and Signal/Whatsapp anyway.
In the US, before WhatsApp came out, we could send and receive unlimited SMS for free. Free of per message fee and free of monthly fees. It already came preinstalled on the phone, so why use anything else? When MMS came out, it was a free upgrade.
Technically, we did have to pay to use SMS when it first came out, but it did eventually become free before WhatsApp existed.
As someone from South America (where the iPhone is really not dominant compared to Android), I find it insane that people can get harassed and turned down from stuff simply because of a message bubble. Here it's not even an issue because everyone uses Whatsapp, even the iPhone users, but still.
That's really true I'm from India and 95% of ppl use Android I think America is the only country where you can get bullied for the phone you got
@@Lavanyapatil7454 Here where I live iPhones are viewed as a status symbol since they're extremely overpriced for what they offer, even the older models that are long off sale on the main tech shops in North America.
@@Lavanyapatil7454there was an Indian in a comment above this one that said that flagship phones are status symbols and can cause issues. And I know that in China that's also something that can happen.
@@Lee-fw5bd it's true but it is not as much as America tho I pray it don't cause problems because we are influenced alot by West
@@Lavanyapatil7454 I don't really know if it's really "as big as in America" worthy. Unless you live in California, this sort of pettiness is really only semi-common for younger people. Like people who are currently 21 and under. I'm in my mid-20s and this isn't even something I knew existed beyond jokes about "elitist apple slaves" until very recently
Edit: I agree with you tho. Hopefully this dumb way of thinking doesn't spread.
I started using WhatsApp in 2011... after I got back from grad school in Europe. I was surprised that my fellow Americans hadn't really heard of it. Of course, having family overseas (India, Pakistan) made it convenient for me - made it so easy to keep in touch with those family members.
Why not Telegram?
@@martinbetcler in 2011?
Yeah, WhatsApp technically had the first movers advantage and was always intended for the masses ( basic and simple) and that's the reason why there are more monthly active WhatsApp users than all iPhone users in the world.
Didn't know what that app was until like 2017 when my gf at time who was indian told me about it haha. Great app used it a lot for video chats
Looks like you were one of the people that didn’t get to the 11 min mark of the video lol
As someone who lives where the mobile operators made SMS and MMS ridiculously overpriced on all their plans, WhatsApp was a default before I even had a smartphone. So basically forever. No one in their right mind would risk a green bubble giving them an extra charge and Android is also much more common here as well
I feel like I'm in a unique situation here in Sweden, 8 out of 10 of my contacts have Android and RCS activated so most it's almost the reverse situation for me now where friends with iPhones are "left out".
Same here in the Philippines, but im an iphone user. Im the one left out 😅
It’s interesting because just a few years ago everyone here in Sweden used WhatsApp. Now I feel like Facebook Messenger is dominant. I avoid both over the FB privacy issues.
@@ErikN1 to me they are basically the same, facebook 1 or facebook 2
@@grqfes Exactly. But when WhatsApp first became popular it wasn't owned by Facebook. That happened a couple of years later. And with the data sharing announcement I hoped people would move to something better but no, Facebook messenger is apparently good because everyone's on Facebook basically. Doesn't matter how many times they are in the news for privacy scandals, people still use their products for whatever reason.
For me it’s the other way around (also swede). I have only two contacts that will “green bubble” me, my mom and her husband but except for those two I have zero contacts that that use anything else than iPhone. So for me it would be 2 out of my 109 contacts in my phone meaning 98,2% use iPhone.. I guess we live in social bubbles 😂
Interestingly, the "default" messaging app in my country (the Netherlands) is WhatsApp. It's become such a norm that not having WhatsApp is like choosing to not have a messaging app on your phone.
Edit: oh lol he just mentioned that this is the case in a lot of countries
Same for Italy.
@@Metruzanca Same for south africa
Yeah that's also true for most Latin American countries like in Guatemala and Mexico
Here it's messenger
@@har5814 you cant just say here for all we know you could be in mozambique
Oh man, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on all the different projects Google has started and abandoned. Which ones you find most interesting, which ones were just terrible ideas from the beginning, and which ones you think should make a comeback
That’s a great idea for a video!
This is an excellent suggestion
I feel like he had done a video about that a couple years ago
I can easily say that part of the reason Google keeps making unsuccessful attempts is due to bad marketing.
THIS. Great Idea
This videos has aged well, it's a win win 🏆
I think I remember in the podcast you talked about how you'd never personally experienced green bubble exclusion from a group chat. I remember in my high school job, the one girl with an android was straight up left out of the boss's employee group chat and would have to get info sent separately just because of how annoying it made the experience
One of my bosses told my coworker to get an iPhone or he wouldn’t see invites to group things anymore lol
@@DougTheFresh I would’ve told your boss to buy me an IPhone if it’s that serious lol.
All of my friends that live in town (30-40 year olds) have an iPhone only group chat that I have to have ambassadors relay information to me
Serious business use serious business's chat apps. Teams, Slack, etc. Using a app that is not universaly available for your employees is just dumb.
That's seriously inhumane
This is exactly why tech literacy is so important. We end up hurting our social circle when we aren't knowledgeable enough to think for ourselves.
I remember the first time I had this argument with someone about a decade ago in a group of people where green bubble people were getting roasted, that was one of the biggest lightbulb moments for me when I realized this was a grandmaster chess move by Apple, as I was also just starting to learn marketing & branding
Facts !!!
they were to busy pretending to be inclusive by making their hand models skins pitch black, and taking black models and turning the contrast way up so all we can see are two eye holes, all while indoctrinating white middle class kids into believing that owning an iphone is an inseparable part of life
If by grandmaster move you mean grandmaster d-bag move of the century, yes.
@@CaptainCaveman1170 if branding strategies that lead to MULTIPLE TRILLIONS in market capitalization and help build the single biggest company known to man = d-bag, then sure 🤷🏼♂️
@@boyerindustries Well yeah, there is a high correlation between those attributes. There's a reason why most of the nicest buildings in a given city"s skyline belong to insurance companies and banks. It's also why Las Vegas looks the way it does. MGM and Caesar's entertainment didn't get to where they got by being kind to their customers either. Microsoft is also notorious for its d-bag moves when they were Apple's place.
This man has made millions. The guy lays it out like it is. That is why this man makes millions.
The irony of course is that the original iPhone wasn't even able to send MMS picture messages, while basically every other phone could.
Apple is always last to the party, but when they arrive they're just really good at making a splash. They usually do what they do really well.
@@DanielleLaShawn When you get put in a box, everything looks like it's amazing, only because you can't experience what's beyond that box.
@@ChrisWillsTV So true chris
@@ChrisWillsTV I wish I could shake your hand for this comment
i remember it couldn't even copy and paste, or have notifications like android. had the iphone 3g and the nexus one. always used my Android to do more stuff
For what I can remember here in Spain whatsapp became popular as a "free" alternative to SMS around the years 2010 and 2011. When iMessage released most (young) social circles where already on whatsapp even if everyone had an iPhone, and I believe that by then most smartphone users where using Android.
Similar story here in Bulgaria - since people used Facebook messaging a lot back in the keyboard phone era, once smartphones started kicking in everyone just continued with messenger, and thus the iMessage blue/green bubbles trope never became a thing. Nowadays probably around 40-50% of teenagers/college students have iPhones, yet I don’t know a single person that actively uses iMessage. We all just use Facebook messenger (or instagram chats, but that’s just horrendously bad 🤮)
same one malaysia.. we only use whatapps.. when people send msg from default app.. we call it skema.. mean it too old skooll
@@aliffmalek Same here in Germany/Switzerland - I live in both countrys. No one use classic messaging apps. All people on Whatsapp and Telegram.
I have one single contact using sms - an older woman. Everytime I have to write her I start searching for the messaging app and try to remember the Name. Cause on some phones the app uses the english word "messages" and some others the german word "Nachrichten".
True in my country as well. Only recently iPhones are becoming more popular (because they're cheaper than what they used to be). But everyone uses Whatsapp already. And that's good because I love Android
As someone who lives outside the US, this cleared up so much for me. I always questioned why people in America didn't just use WhatsApp
WhatsApp is a rest of the world thing
I wish Whatsapp wouldn’t butcher photo quality
Now that is owned by Facebook, no chance that many of us in the states will switch to it as default.
@@Smorfar fair enough
@@Smorfar what kind of WhatsApp do you use?
Google sitting in the corner with grey text: 🗿🗿🗿
I'm so glad somebody finally brought up RCS in this discussion. I own a bunch of Apple products, but I still haven't made the switch from Android in part because I think it's really gross how blatantly Apple values the lock in over providing their customers a better experience. They're singlehandedly holding back the messaging experience for the whole US because they don't want their customers to feel like leaving is a viable option.
No shit Sherlock have you heard of capitalism? Also instant messaging has been around for a long time, Apple was just smart enough to put on their product unlike Apple. The Apple ecosystem is just more appealing then The android ecosystem. Visually better software and hardware. Will it remain that way forever? No so calm your tits
APPL is a business they will never give up there edge it does not benefit there shareholders in any way
@@yosteven71 wow, such a dumb apple fanboy. "Visually better software and hardware"? Ever heard of One UI and Galaxy s21?
They are a company after all.
@@ECVIDS999 and they shouldn’t. What? Should they just yield to everyone’s opinion bc a few kids are sad they don’t have iPhones? They worked hard to get to be as big as a company as they are now. Speaking of hard work. If these kids really want the blue bubble experience then work hard for it. iPhones on Facebook market/Craiglist aren’t expensive. Mow some lawns on the weekend do extra chores around the house and get what you want. If you don’t wanna work be grateful your mom/dad worked their asses off to get you the android!!!!
I live in Germany and I’ve never even used iMessages before my exchange year to Canada. Anyone who doesn’t have What’sApp in Germany has a HUGE disadvantage. There are some people (mostly because of privacy concerns), but it’s like 2 in 100 or something.
@Aryatama Aziz This is messaging app monopoly in essence, if you don't use the app that everyone use, your screwed. If you live in Japan and Taiwan and don't use LINE, you're screwed.
My uncle in Germany is the only person who doesn't use Whatsapp that I know of (in Germany), I have literally never had a conversation with him over the phone. I pretty much text and call him through my aunt's whatsapp.
I’m in the US and the only reason I’ve had WhatsApp for several years is to communicate with my German relatives and European friends. I rarely use it to communicate with other Americans and to be honest, I don’t trust Meta (formerly Facebook) with the data. A lot of Americans don’t trust using WhatsApp because Mark Zuckerberg owns it and will only use it to communicate with people overseas. Many of those Americans seem to make an exception with Instagram, but they probably feel there’s a big difference between posting travel or food photos compared to making sure a crappy company like Meta doesn’t have access to communications that could potentially compromise you.
@Aryatama Aziz depends which country. Many countries don't even touch WhatsApp
@@kennydpark WhatsApp is a privacy hole. Worse than posting messages on post box
I used to work for IBM, and the blue vs green is interesting. Blue dollars were internal transactions between departments, while green dollars represented actual outside customers paying us real money.
Hm interesting, I wonder if apple took inspiration from this or if it’s some sort of physiology thing
@@mrED123 you mean color theory?
@@MF9-h4j Maybe the safety related to colours, psychologically? Blue is the safest, green is safe, yellow is a bit of caution, red is a no, and brown or black is like danger, if I'm not wrong. This scheme of colours is widely used imo
IBM was founded in Endicott,NY and they put chemicals in the river to this day the chemicals are sitting there
@@degardonewborn8279 are these chemicals used to make frogs gay?
Thank you for this vidbJust got my 1st iPhone @ 32. I was very comfortable with my Samsung or Pixel phones but felt ostracized a lot more over the past few years.
For the most part this has never been much of an issue for me, but when my friend broke our seven-year group chat by switching from iPhone to Samsung, it made me notice it and made me really wish there were more compatibility between the two. I do hope that Apple adds RCS support. People will still buy iPhones and still use iMessage. Adding RCS support isn't going to totally change that. It would just make the texting experience in the U.S. better and more secure for everyone.
True. Bc by not adding rcs they not only lock-in people but also push down phones other than iphones
Sounds like it wasn’t an issue cause all your friends had iPhones so of course it wasn’t an issue
You should ask Jamal Kashogy if his iMessages are encrypted.....wait you can't because iPhone was targeted by the Israeli's NSO group, causing his assassination in a Saudi Consulate, so he's dead. Choose to blindly trust Apple or be sensible and do some research.
This is apple you're talking about. They will NEVER do that
There's too much focus on RCS. The real problem is the limited compatability with IMessage as an application and the choice they made to use it. Doesn't Google Messages run on an Iphone? In fact there are MANY cross platform products that operate on an Iphone.
The Iphone user needs to understand that they have made a conscious deliberate decision to EXCLUDE other friends and family members by CHOOSING to use a limited messaging product. They need to be educated that this isn't a war between IPhone and Android users, but instead a war between messaging applications! Some being cross platform and those that are not.
Yeah. I switched from Apple to Android and have experienced the resulting blue bubble backlash first hand. Apples aversion to work with other brands has ensured that I will never be buying their products until something changes.
Same here, Apple products are a horror show to me.
I often visit customers and business partners and with Apple devices I have to plan every presentation like a battle. An Android smartphone communicates with any computer, television, beamer, printer... ... At Apple I need an extra cable for every little thing, a special app, a subscription or I have to fall back on methods from ten years ago. It's just not practical and I don't understand where Apple's reputation for being so advanced comes from. It feels like 2010 to me.
Same. Went from an I phone 7 to an s20 plus.
What did you switch to? And how hard was it to switch? What are the steps because I’m thinking about it.
@@jinvid bro it aint hard to switch to the android
in my opinion android is a better os than ios
samsung s23 ultra has beautiful camera with 100x zoom
i hate ios system because it doesnt support third party software and file system is locked and you cannot acess it
Apple: People get bullied because they cant afford our Product and therefore cant participate in the imessage bubble, well sucks for them, we aint cooperating with anything related to Android, literally even If we had to erase a whole continent from existence
This is crazy! I'm American and an Android user and never knew about this. I attribute this to being in the let's play/gaming community where we all use Discord and/or Snapchat to set up play schedules with people all over the world to stay in contact without giving people our phone numbers.
Yeah, Android user here too. I'm not in the gaming community but none of my friends or coworkers are big enough dicks to make fun of me for using a different phone than them. I definitely never knew this was a thing.
@@bryan__m it's mostly teenagers, if you aren't in that demographic you won't experience it but trust me it happens
@@ts4858 oh yeah it's believable that it happens. People are jerks!
That's because your friends aren't 12 years old
10:23 problem: those who don’t have data and only have default texting support, that would kick out even more people from the equation