Does Fast Charging ACTUALLY Ruin Your Battery?
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2022
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You're becoming more of a truth seeker and journalist than before, you're adding a lot of value as you evolve beyond just reviewing tech to actually help us understand how it works. Thank you Marques.
I’m loving this type of content, and glad to see everyone else is supporting it
Lol shut up
not even 30seconds in and he says that the older iPhones charge with 5W which is not true. The included charger is 5W but even my iPhone4s could charge at 12W back then.
@@tamron6014but that was the old 30 pin connectors on the iPhone 4s correct?
Well spoken
As a retired engineer who specialized in battery technology, I'm here to say you've done a perfect job explaining battery charging.
simply no, there is so much over simplification. Like it is just wrong at this point.
Agreed, He says "batteries are kinda like a spunge, they absorb the most energy when they have the least in them". As far as I know, batteries make way more heat when charged from nearly empty, meaning they need to charge a lot slower at that point. So the opposite of what MKBHD said.
@@elrippo649 it'sjust simplification, it is not wrong ;)
@@mggevaer260 except battery will charge more energy when they start empty, markes was right ;)
@mateo Yes, obviously it will take more energy to charge an empty battery to full than one that's not empty. But he says "and as it gets closer to full it becomes less and less efficient at absorbing energy".
So I think it's clear he was talking about rate of energy absorption, e.g. chatging speed.
Li-ion batteries simply can't be charged as fast when close to 0 as for example 15%. That's why if an EV maker for example claims "charges x km in x time", it will often be between 15% and 85%.
Many years ago I was a programmer writing software for a battery development lab. One of the biggest things that we were working on was the most effective way to charge particular types of batteries. We had engineers, chemists, physicists, and, of course, programmers involved. An astounding amount of science for a simple process.
Would you be able to tell me what is the best way to charge an iPhone?
What company?
just dont leave it at 100% for longer periods of time, and use it normally.
If you plan to have phone less than 2years it almost doesnt matter and just don't bother@@MurtazaK1
may we know what the most effective way is?
@@MurtazaK1 The best way to charge an iphone is to take a cable, plug the cable into the phone, and then plug that cable and phone to a power outlet.
I hope my comment is very helpful. If you need help with other complicated things such as how to open a door or how to walk, just let me know and I will help you.
Sometimes I think we as consumers have become desensitized to how amazing our technology is. I like this type of content
For real, go to even just the year 2010 and wow!
It ain't that amazing. We need batteries that give days of screen on time. Battery capacity technology hasn't improved much for the last 10 years.
@@farzana6676Because solid state batteries are too expensive and too difficult to manufacture at the moment to be produced on such a mass scale that phones require. I'll be another 5 to 10 years minimum before we start seeing solid state batteries enter consumer markets. Toyota is teasing solid state batteries for their EVs for 2027 but I couldn't imagine the cost for that unless they made a good breathrough nobody else has yet...
this comment is so dystopian "as consumers"
@@farzana6676there isn't much to improve, nowadays we have basically reached the limit of how much battery we can fit in modern phones, phone size has pretty much doubled since the last decade and reached a size and weight on the limit of what is considered usable for a phone, therefore longer battery life is achieved through software optimization and more efficient chips and engineering, that's the whole reason fast charging exists in the first place
I just want removable batteries to make its comeback.
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@@michaeltran4546 ?
@@michaeltran4546 bro tryna be a grammar nazi when he don’t even know how grammar works XD
Meh, why would I want to do that? I think the phone would have to be plastic on the back and to being able to fold right open. Would feel cheap. Maybe I could pop the battery out to stare at it or to like charge it outside the phone idek good thinking
Hot swappable batteries in a tesla would be a game changer. Be able to recharge faster than a petrol station.
Ok, fast charging allow you to charge FAST between 20% to 80% (in 10 minutes with a 120W fast charger). This interval is perfect to preserve battery life and doesn't create much heat. I have a 120W fast charging phone and after one and a half year, I lost ~4% of battery capacity (I use Accubattery to estimate the battery degradation). Basically my battery life hasn't really decreased and I don't have to wait for an hour to use my phone again.
@@davidjacobs6244 You will understand the virtues of fast charging when you forget to charge your phone and need to leave your house in the next 15 minutes.
@@davidjacobs6244 spotted the iPhone user
@@davidjacobs6244 That's not the point.
@@davidjacobs6244 That’s a dumb argument. I normally charge my phone via MagSafe. But sometimes I gotta take my MacBook power brick to make it charge „quite quickly.“ So yeah. I would love to have some settings to say WHEN and HOW I would like to charge my phone.
@@davidjacobs6244 When you're a power user (Max brightness, 120Hz, 5G, Bluetooth etc), when you don't have a computer, when you play high demanding games, you need to always have your phone running...
I love that your videos dont have background music ... & you speak to the audience at a natural pace. Also appreciate your effort to learn the stuff before conveying it to us, thanks bro! :D P.S. Love the humility in your speech, never change!
Marques, i am an old guy and you are absolutely the ONLY tech guy i trust and follow. I base all of my tech choices on your research and opinions. AND you have a magic personality. All the best to you young man. JT from downunder.
Never trust one influencer. Always do your own research and listen to different perspectives. Read more rather than just watch videos, especially videos that are watched by millions of people. The most popular videos tend to have mistakes/misinformation, an agenda, and/or politics involved (including being paid for by a corporation).
There are experts to listen to when it comes to certain aspects/fields of technology. MKBHD is a knowledgeable guy but not always, and he also happens to be the most popular American tech channel on RUclips (or one of them). Millions of dollars are behind his videos so sometimes he can't make certain statements without risking millions of dollars in sponsors, ad revenue, and business. These are things to be aware of when basing all of your tech choices on one person's opinion. Doesn't sound like a good idea now, does it?
@@vigilant_1934 hey pal, i am a 60 year old history major, who earned his degrees by reading and research. Mind your own business.
Mind your own business is probably the worst answer you could've given to a comment that just advised you to be more thoughtful and open when making purchases.
Instead of being passive agressive you could've just said you think you are prepared and don't need their help.
But you do you
@@Hillbilly973 He was just helping you
grandpa you're rude
@@cliprimate_EXtinted
Go away.
Man I miss the days of user swappable batteries. You never had to worry about running out of juice. You just carried extra batteries with you and in just a few seconds you were back to 100%.
that sounds so cool, i used to have a phone you could take the battery out. that was the samsung j5. i could've done that! haha
External battery pack does the same thing doesn’t it?
@@lgray8044 no. You have to charge it, and its wired and larger than a battery
@@lgray8044 absolutely no, I have a pair of wireless headphones (Artics pro) and they come with a spare battery. Basically, I never ever ever charge them, I just swap the battery out. 100% battery in half a second. Trust me, it's amazing
@@2664k battery cases work too, plus phones with removable batteries dont look the best
Linus did some experimenting on this a while back, IIRC he found that it's less about how fast the battery is charged, and more about the range. Fully charging and discharging battery puts a lot of stress on it. Doing so repeatedly degrades the battery. Doing so repeatedly while also at high temperature, _really_ degrades the battery.
absolute nonsense. Lipo or Li-ion batteries do not heat up while charging. Only when overcharging.
NiMH and NiCD heat up while charging.
@@janklas7079 They absolutely do heat up when charging at high amperage, lol.
It's not just the internal chemical reaction, batteries also have internal resistance as well as the resistance of the circuitry.
Perhaps you should enlighten all of the engineers designing these products because they seem to be under the impression that Lithium batteries do heat up when charging. What a bunch of dummies.
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@@janklas7079 I'm guessing you watched 0% of the above video???
@@CharlieMikeNS No they do not. I charge lipo's with 5C if in a time crunch.
The internal resistance? That would be true for NiMC and NiMH. The typical internal resistance of a lipo is in the megaohms, so that can NOT cause heating up.
In fact, after use my lipo's are hot, and they cool down while charging.
Love your videos, keep up the good work. I know it's a lot of hard work getting out good quality videos 👍
A year later and people like me still search for this exact video. Thanks again Marques
This has got to be my all time favorite MKBHD video! It's literally everything you need to know about your phone battery.
I love all the information packed into this video, extremely educational. Had no idea about the gallium nitride charger, the question of heat, and the bending in Galaxy Note 7 causing the fires! I guess this maybe explains the rectangular sharp cut designs?
It's mostly all about heat. If less heat is produced and more the heat is spread out, the battery doesn't suffer as much from charging and doesn't wear as much. I don't know what is the exact sweet temperature to achieve 80+ watt charging at, with the least possible wear, but it is hard to maintain as the battery wants to warm up as it charges.
Good to also mention that the battery degradation isn't linear to the charge cycles, but it starts off with a large wear amount per charge when it's new, heading to a more mild wear amount. For example, the first 150 charge cycles (lets say degradation from 100% to 97%) could degrade your battery as much as the next 300 cycles would (from 97% degradation to only 94%, instead of 91%).
the problem here is that he doesn’t mention tests on youtube that show these phones charging at higher temperatures. there really wasn’t enough independent testing shown in this video to answer the question. we can’t just take what a company says to sell their products as the truth
@@reganbrannigan3006 do u have a few examples, cause im actually curious, he mentioned that theres not a lot of studies on long term charging retention because these phones are newer, so id like to see if there is some stuff already out there
like actual experiments, not some dude showing his phone exploding or taking a one off temperature with no context
@@notme756 I didn't mean to say there was anything on the long-term effects, I just meant that there were videos showing the phones charging at higher temperatures and if that is true, according to this video, that would reduce the life of the phones. I'll find a link for you to a video showing charging temps
@Dikshit pratim Mahanta On Android I don't think it is possible. Try Google, you might be able to see how many charge cycles you have gone through even if you can't see the percentage
MAD RESPECT!!! This guy had a really good question, then did the research behind the answer. True hero!
Wow, this was actually a really good video. Recently purchased a S23+ and a 45W charger but I saw in another video that it makes almost no difference from a 25W charger. Maybe like 10 minutes in charging time. I went with the S23+ for a bigger battery and faster charging speed. So far I am unable to drain the battery, it's very energy efficient. Thank you for this video.
The s23 actually charges slower with the 45W. So does my S20 and S22 ultra even though they have larger 5,000maH
Jus got an a54. I hope it's like that for me. Sshhhs that sounds great
@@daggermouth4695yeh that's cause they're supposed to bro. They're capped at 25W only the 23plus and ultra can use 45W
@@daggermouth4695as the person said below. Using a charger that provides more current will not make the phone charge any faster than the charger you got originally with the phone. Current is only pulled by the load. Only way a device charges slower is if you use a cord or charger that provides less current than what was provided.
As far as I am concerned what is damaging is using fast chargers that provide multiple voltage rating
@@Papa_Straight not according to the Samsung specifications, it says
" both s10+ and s20 support 45W charging "
Hey Marques! I worked in the battery industry for 7 1/2 years. I can tell you that if you are very worried about battery health, long term, use the slowest charger you can and don’t use your phone while charging. Charging solutions are improving but lithium batteries have not changed much. I use the 5 watt charger still on a timed plug overnight. My iPhone 13 Pro’s battery health is at 99% still, I have had it since launch. I actually tested this theory with my iPhone 12, I used the 20 watt charger instead and sometimes wireless charging, both of which cause more heat. I saw much more battery degradation in the same time period. I am super interested in what some of these companies have done the last several years and ultimately I think some developing technologies that are on the horizon will solve this issue entirely.
Update: I think a lot of you missed that I prefaced my comment with “if you are very worried about battery health”. One more tip, if you have a device you plan on keeping for years and don’t always need the full battery life then you don’t need to charge it to 100%. For example, I have an iPad I use mostly at home. I will often charge it to 70% or 80% then stop. I usually only charge it 100% when I am taking it on the road with me. Follow these steps and you can expect your device to have 95-100% battery health for a much longer time since much of heat and battery degradation occurs at the end of the charge in that 90-100% range.
Is it ok to use your phone while charging as long as it doesn't generate heat like using a low battery consumption apps? I've done it on my old phone and it still seems fine after 5 years till now. I upgraded to Xiaomi Poco f3 with 33w charger a month ago, I usually only use phones to a read comics, novels etc. Which doesn't consume to that much battery.
The best solution is use fast charging when it is really necessary but it should not be very often. Not all phones have software to stop charging ta 80%
You should always use slow charging all the time except when you really charge quickly.
People who use phones no more than 2 years or tech reviewers who get new phones almost free every year or people who can afford to upgrade yearly can use fast charging everyday.
I also have the iPhone 13 pro since it's release. So I have been dailying it for about 5-6 months emptying the battery and ending the day always between 10 - 30%. I have always been charging it overnight with an old 5w iPhone charger. Battery health still at 100%.
My car has no AC, hope I get a new one, and that Samsung A21 does better than HTC M8. It's just HOT here in the summer. Do rugged phones use LTO batteries?
The HTC M8 batteries were garbage, so happy to have left it behind, but I still like to go to the beach!
I'd certainly take a thicker phone if it meant improved durability, sd card slot, and room for a larger, and/or user swapable battery.
Well removable batteries are no more
The sealed batteries will be around forever
Fairphone?
The best alternative solution is just get one with almost double the capacity you'll ever need in a day. Even that might be overdoing it. Unless you forget to plug it in some days. It will not ever be a nagging issue for you before you replace your phone to keep up with better security of later OSs that you can't upgrade it to.
Don't forget the headphone jack
If you can't get a high enough capacity battery to satisfy you with all of the other features that are a must for you, I suggest keeping a separate portable power brick with you and top it off as needed. Anker is a highly rated and trusted company for making like products.
Just listen to the french audio track, it's one of the funniest things I have heard 😂
Très bel audio
Yeah wtf was that💀
Awesome video bro. Brilliantly researched and presented. I work with all different types of batteries for work and I agree with everything you said. 👍🏼
An actual test of this would be fun. Charge a few different phones at different wattages over 100 cycles, measure heat during charge, and measure capacity at the end.
Wouldn't charging multiple SAME phones at different wattages over 100 cycles be more fun?
phone batteries have to be on the list for linus' lab, once that gets up and running
@@naveengodara42 no because that would give you useable data 👍🏻
the real test would take a year or 2
to compare the life of the battery
Same Phone, 1 normally charged
1 Super Fast charged, see if the fast charge 1 fails or falters, otherwise were good!
@@zodsinclair8500 therein lies the problem
Reviewers only get clicks/watchtime on their reviews during the short period when the device is being launched. If the thorough test takes 2 years, not many people will watch when they finally publish results (most customers have already bought the device / don't care). There's definitely a market of consumers who buy old phones, but is that market large enough for reviewers to be incentivized to do this?
0:55 love that elden ring sound
don't activate french audio on this video, it's a nightmare ...
J’ai pensé que c’était mon iPhone 😂
Sérieux c’est affreux cette piste mieux vaux la supprimer lol jcomprend pas pk il la laisse …
😂 😂 😂
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The french version of the voice is actually eating his microphone like it was the last thing on Earth...
Thanks for showing me that, this is hilarious and i have no idea how this got in here
The battery health on my 30-month old iPhone 11 Pro is still at 100%.
I can’t explain it, but I’ll certainly take it.
That’s actually incredible
How?!
How???? I have a base iPhone 11 and my battery health is at 72%, I bought it February 2020 ;_;
@@mkbhd you don’t say
@@Muser0168 he wrote
Would have been nice to mention that even before fast charging, expected battery life was kind of about the same: after around 2 years, it was normal to lose 20% of your battery capacity
I felt that was made clear when he said that 80% after 2 years worth of charges is the industry standard
So has battery chemistry improved and you are giving up a potential longer lifespan for faster charging? They may sacrifice some design capacity for high charging capabilities also. There is typically a sweet spot between charging speed and lifespan and it drops off quickly after that.
Lifespan was way less of a concern when phones had removable back covers. Now your stuck with the battery you got for likely longer then 2 years as advancements in phones have slowed down.
@Amoled 18w is still relatively low. People were complaining about how slow the 23 watt Pixel 6 charging limiter was, which Google reportedly did for battery longevity reasons. Modern fast charging is like 40-50W.
I traded in my iPhone 11 to a 13 pro and my 11 after 3yrs of usage had a battery capacity of 81%. Its not bad tbh
They start to degrade after 500 charges. That's roughly a 1year or less lifespan. We have to start defending the return of removable batteries
Thanks for the clear explanation man! This was exactly what I was lookin for
Awesome video. I appreciate the research you did for this. Thanks ! 👍
Remember 6 or 7 years ago when this didn't really matter on anything except an iphone?
Down to 60% capacity after a year and you can't afford to replace the entire phone yet? Just buy a new battery for $20-30, and no proprietary tiny screws to remove, adhesive to melt, screens to pry off with suction cups while trying not to break anything, security chips to reprogram...
The American model has won
@@martin8313 and miniaturisation and being water proof. If you don't want that, buy a fairfone.
@@EVPaddy Galaxy S 5 had water prove and an easily exchangeable battery
@@utuber7600 Well, iPhone 6 was the best selling smartphone model of 2014.
@@aninditabasak7694 …what does that have to do with battery replacement?
"I'll link one of them below the like button." 3:13
THAT WAS SO SMOOTH
Very well documented, the depth of knowledge in 12mins. Hats off
This is something I always wondered about, thanks for a very informative video
You know, you have played too much Elden Ring when you recognize this sound 0:54 on a tech related channel!!
you are the only comment that mention this, cheers tarnished
Only maidenless runt’s will notice this sound 😈
It's the Enemy felled sound effect
Totally thought I was watching an Elden Ring video when that sound came up but then realized it was MKBHD 😂. Maybe he's been playing too. 👀
Enjoy your arteria leaf
I work with li-ion cells and have found out that slower charging rates tend to give longer battery life - primarily because of the heating of the cell(s) becoming lower.
The large surface area of the battery can be a large heatsink. But yes thermal runaway can be an issue. If only LiFePo4 can be shoved inside a phone, also I have found out that there's no limit on how much amps on a battery as the bms immediately cuts it off, I actually tried it with my li ion powerwall
Use 3310 then
Another battery killer is charging over 4,2V.
@@blurcak it depends on what battery you are using. 4.2V is the limit for most batteries with a nominal voltage of 3.6Vr or 3.7V.
Phone batteries have chemistries which allow them to go higher. Nominal voltage is 3.85V and max is 4.4V.
But in general staying away from the top end lets your battery live longer.
So would wireless charging overnight be better vs cables? It's pretty slow.
I only buy things tech if this guy does a good review. Only RUclipsr I trust when it comes to honest review for anything tech. Got to the point if I don’t see him doing the review I don’t watch it. Keep up the good work and may God continue bless you and your team!
u have no idea how much we trust you and how much those videos help us , thank you
I love how Marques Explains Things, It’s easy to follow, packed full of information at the same time, while not being condescending at all.
I research batteries for a living and This is something I always thought of when I see companies advertise fast charging. It was interesting to see you cover this in detail and actually explain the science!
Right? Could you imagine using a defribulator on your battery and it goes from 0% - 100% instantly? Lol
Shouldnt u already know this if ur job is researching batteries?
@@Ali-ol7pk I do. It’s because I understand what happens when you fast charge and it’s implications to battery life, I am interested in the different approaches by companies. Someone like MKBHD making videos like this and explaining the science to a typical customer is really interesting to me!
@@Prash106 oh okay then
As a R/C battery geek i was really disappointed. No testing and mainly using manufacturers own claims and data (e.g. Apple battery life percentage).
This is the best video that did not knew i needed to understand chargers and all that stuff
Thanks for the excellent video. I really enjoyed watching it.
I am a Linux developer that switched from Samsung to iPhone last December.
I have only been slow (low power) charging my iPhone during the night and yes I have noticed the smart software making sure the phone is only fully charged when I wake up at 6 AM. After 6 months my iPhone battery is still at 100% Maximum capacity!
As a physicist (by training), assuming that the whole system follows Ohm's law (yes that a bold assumption), the amount of Amps is what determines the heat production (P=VI, V=IR => P=I^2R). That's why modern electric cars use high voltage DC chargers.
At any rate, I am very satisfied with my iPhone, even when it is an older model. I will never switch back to Samsung. Samsung refused to allow me to remove M$ OneDrive from my new phone. The help desk of Samsung was actually rather rude. So I returned the phone as I do not want software from M$ on my phone. I will never buy Samsung again, no matter what.
Something to consider on the battery health, as you lose charge, you'll need to charge your phone more often with the loss of capacity. So saying you're "on track" to have 85 percent is not taking into account that you'll charge more as you use them.
and cases, wireless charging cook batteries
@@colindoyle9876 that’s a lie my dude. Modern phones don’t really heat up during wireless charging. Proof: my XS Max bought at launch, sold it with 87% battery health on original battery. Lasted the whole day without problems before I sold it, charged only using a 7.5W cheap wireless charger throughout its life. That’s a 4 year old phone.
@@37racso What case?
@@37racso My 8+ is at 90% heavy use since day 1 of release. No back on phone to trap heat
@@37racso That's good. My S10e heats up quite noticeably during wireless charging. When picking it up from the wireless charger, it's not hot but it's warm on hands.
It would be interesting to make wireless charging more effective by have a charging pad that measures the temp of your phone and can cool both itself and the phone to reduce the heat created by the coils
Some wireless chargers have small fans to keep themselves cooler, not sure if it helps the phone.
@@QualityDoggo Any heat reduction, including that which the phone absorbs sitting against the pad will be an improvement.
Created a problem by wireless charging then you want to create a solution to that problem. Nice✌️
@@ritwiktiwary8631 wireless charging isn't a problem, it's an option
@@narufan987 heat and inefficiency is a problem from wireless charging lol
Very competent research, well delivered and very interesting. I'm feeling more appreciation for phones now than 15 minutes ago.
I really like the way you present your topic. Thank you.
Nice breakdown of what I understood intuitively. I never thought fast charging is a problem because indeed it's always only the first minutes when it's real fast and it doesn't do that long enough to heat up much
Super informative, would love more videos like this! Longevity and reliability of tech is honestly really overlooked in most tech reviews, so I’m glad to see more stuff like this!
You can also just use a lower wattage charger if you're worried about fast charging... I charge my xperia 5 iii with a 5 watt charger, and have it set to only ever charge to 80%. that 80% still gets me through a full day of heavy use a year later.
Great video Marques. Thank you. The best analogy for battery charging that I have seen is that of a huge parking. Imagine a huge, empty parking lot. When a car enters the parking lot, it can speed to any space in the lot. But, as the lot fills with cars, subsequent cars have to slow down to avoid collisions and damaging other cars attempting to park or already parked in the lot. The more full the lot becomes, the fewer spaces remain, and the slower cars must travel to avoid collisions. Your battery is the parking lot. Your charger sends electrons "cars" into the battery "parking lot". When your battery is empty, the electrons can fly to the cells in the battery. As your battery fills, the charger must send fewer electrons so as not to damage the battery cells.
What a fantastic presentation of electron flow, battery composition, and charging tech. Bravo Sir
Very informative video, I learned somthing new today. Thanks MKBHD
This is one of those topics that you can find armchair tech experts fighting over on every corner of the internet. So refreshing to find such a concise and well researched video on a convoluted topic.
thank you for really great video, this made me understand a bit better how it works.
Love watching your videos man. You do a really professional job explaining things.
One important thing to note is that Apple is rating your iPhone's battery health by comparing the actual change capacity to the designed capacity, and NOT the manufactured charge capacity.
The battery manufacturing process is not perfect so most batteries come out with 3-7% larger charge capacity, and that is why many iPhone users see their battery degrading only after 6-10 months of usage.
Actually, batteries can also be smaller than what the spec sheet says. It's not typical to have 3-7% more but it can also be 3-7% LESS. That's why most Android manufacturers have to capacities listed on their batteries: typical and rated. They're advertising the typical but reality often is the rated capacity.
Apple also always underestimates the charging cycles. So 500 cycles is just the MINIMUM the battery should last, not the maximum like most others are listing. In reality, iPhone batteries often last a hell lot longer than those 500 cycles.
Battery degradation is also not linear. Back on my iPhone X for example it took about 3 months to degrade from 100 to finally show 99% but then from 99% to 95% it was only about 2 months and a while later it stuck at 92% for almost half a year.
the battery degradation thingy on iPhones sucks and has 0 accuracy, aida64 /accubattery/ whatever thing with root on android shows a much more accurate one and its actually pretty linear, degrading more the more its degraded and then kinds sitting in the 70-80 range
its literally impossible that your battery is perfectly 92% health for 1 year, its just a inaccurate number, batteries degrade over time even without charging them and stored perfectly in a cool dry environment at 60%.
Literally every single charge scrapes a bit off your battery's max capacity, kinda like water flowing over a rock and removing material over time
its more linear than you think, the irregularities are external factors : like aggressive or normal usage (using your phone to play games and battery is pumping max output also causes a lot of wear compared to just random use), difference in the environment heat such as Winter or summer time, or its just you charging your phone less times on average in a time frame, or, inaccurate % number.
but batteries in a controlled environment actually degrade linearly, batteries "are not designed to wear out" so when it happens its "random", but there are so many cells that the casualty gets averaged so you get a consistent pattern of degradation at each cycle , where a new battery is fully functional but has to pump a lot more electrons compared to the same battery but degraded, at the same time, the degraded battery is not fully functional so is more prone to failure even if its working with smaller capacity, you get consistent wear for different reasons.
My 12 pro max is still at 100% after 10 months of use. Guess i got a lager capacity one? Or always charging the phone to 80% and never from bellow 10% actually helps.
My 12 mini lost around 3% in 4.5 months
I’m on an 11 with 90% after 1 1/2 years
Very solid jnfo and exactly what I was looking for. Your style of presentation is easy to listen to. Thank you.
Great video! If my phone starts getting hot I hold it over air conditioning to get it back cool again to save the health of the battery. Really interesting to hear the info!
Much respect - you helped and I am sure others get a more realistic perspective on how this all works. Your knowledge and communication game is so next level. It is obvious you are a man and a company who cares about others. Keep up the good work. :)
If you rely on the information he provides, you are misinformed. He is making a number of mistakes, MAJOR mistakes like talking about the charging block and not the phone. The phone, which was designed by the manufacturer is ENTIRELY in control of the charging circuit. They could make a 1000 watt brick and your phone wouldn't charge any faster.
Very nice presentation on this subject! You can take what you’ve learned to related uses in general:
- some of my bigger battery power banks actually charge faster if I unplug them to let them cool off after a certain percentage to plug them in later on.
- don’t put your phone on your car’s dashboard in direct sunlight when navigating. Use one of those air roster phone holders so your phone gets cooled by the car’s AC/ventilation while driving.
It`s very important to protect lithium ion batteries from heat, and especially fully charged ones. Causes rapid degradation and loss of capacity.
@@baneverything5580 this is why i use a cooling fan and stick it on my phone everytime i charge or play with it
The phone being way too cold also damages the phone so that’s also a bad idea.
@@kiwi8476 wait really? how so?
@@kiwi8476 Being too cold diminishes the usable battery capacity WHILE IT'S COLD; it doesn't do any permanent damage.
I have a Redmagic 7 Pro which uses with a 60W GaN charger. With one of those W measuring cables I noticed it charges about 56W then slowly rise to 60 when around 65% (doesn't go to max charge as soon as I expected).
If heats up too much during charging it drops to 30W until cool enough (but only if you're using it a lot since it has a cooling fan which automatically starts when plugged in).
On the other hand, charge separation (how RM calls the pass through charging) barely supplies 2-3W so it's really helpful for heat management and to avoid charge cycles.
Amazingly detailed video. Absolutely love it.
I feel like the benefit you get from fast charging helps to retain the battery life. If my phone took 2-3 hours to fully charge, I'd often leave it over night to charge, but with fast charging I usually just plug it in here and there for a few minutes and I have an app that alarms me when the battery is at 80 % so I unplug it. That way I extremely rarely charge it to full and pretty much never let it go below 20 % saving quite a bit of battery life. I have a OnePlus 6T that I bought when it launched, so about 3,5 years ago and my battery health is still at 87 % always charging it with the 30 W fast charging.
That Oneplus 6t is a pretty good early indicator that the technology works well. But still we still gotta see how the 65, 85, and 120w chargers behave in the same amount of time.
Yes. That’s exactly how I do it. I’m kinda homeless so I have my standard 5w box and cable for at home wherever I may be staying overnight whereas my c-type charger is for when I’m out and about and on the go. I need to buy a type-c power bank since the one I’m using right now is only standard USB.
Whats the app
@@FakeExotic AccuBattery
I dont know how one plus is,i never had one, but i like them a lot. i had an huawei mate 10 pro. when it came out in 2017 had 22.5w super fast charging. the phone had "inteligent charging" and automatically stop charging at 80%. usualy i leave it overnight everynight. when i bought it. the battery lasted two days for me(medium usage) after 3 years of charging it overnight nearly everynight. the battery was in good shape. i had a full day with that phone. the i just got an Samsung s20 FE 5g. bigger battery 4500. faster charging 25w. and after full charge i just realize that my old mate 10 pro is still on for an entire day,when my brand new samsung just needs a charge after 8PM. also the huawei mate 10 pro after a full charge the phone disconnects from the battery and stays powered by the charger. normaly in the morning when i took it out usualy went from 100% to 99-98 instantly. my new samsung never did this. sorry for my bad english btw
Thank you and nicely explained, with my Samsung S20 + i have always charged my phone/s at the lowest charging rate, its now over 3 yrs old and i have never had a charging issue, with any of my previous phones 👍
From a chemistry PhD student point of view, your explanation of the battle of batteries was exceptional! You explained all the essential info without getting to technical. Congrats
I really just want a smart phone with a replaceable battery. Like a panel on the back I can pop off and pull the batter out rather than having to fully disassemble the phone.
lookup rugged phone. "rugged android" surprisingly many options available, but you do pay a premium for a more mainstream brand that will still fall a bit short of the off brand claimed specs. (whether true or not)
Used to be the case but now there no option on these newer, worse phones.
Then you’d run into issue with people buying 3rd party batteries because even if manufacturers forbid or lock that, China will come up with a solution and 3rd world demographics (no disrespect as I am part of) will opt for that. With 100 plus watts chargers and that, a 3rd party battery is a serious fire hazard waiting to happen
@@nazmulfahad3044 they'd adapt
didnt they used to do that?
I used to work for one of the companies mentioned in this review as a part of their product team and “charging speed” and “battery life” are the only two things the team focuses on, not “battery longevity”. This is because in the market studies we used to do, no customer would ever say that battery longevity is important for them, and that’s because most people are not aware that batteries degrade over time and that there is an inverse relationship between charging speed and battery health. Even other product managers are unaware of this problem. They keep switching phones every 3 months or every year and never get to feel any degradation in battery health.
Samsung has an option to disable fast charging on its phones and I feel that’s a must-have option on all phones. Other companies feel that if they give the option to disable fast charging, then it would show their fast charging technology in a bad light, hence people won’t buy the phone.
@@outerspaceimp I agree. The thing with the firms you mentioned is that their primary market is China, and so everything is aligned accordingly. The biggest KPI for software teams is “how many new features we added”, and so every new release will have n number of new and unique features. The western concept of having a product manager for a particular feature and then that PM charts out a roadmap for the feature that spans a few generations of software versions is not followed in Chinese firms. Also, there is a lot of shuffling around of people. A software PM today would be working in sales tomorrow, and vice versa. So there’s little sense of ownership for the feature and hence no long term vision. Things like battery health will be added only when a large number of people start demanding it. Right now only enthusiasts are aware.
Well then I think the company you worked for doesn’t have loyal customers if they think their customers are going to switch phones every 3 months. For companies who have loyal customers that use the phone until it broke or no longer supported (like apple), they will have to think about battery degradation, and now even have to show battery health as part of transparency process required by the public.
@@ChenLiYong I actually thought the same but market insights data showed us that we had a higher than average repeat purchase from customers. Slowly I started to understand that I am an enthusiast but a “regular customer” has a very different perspective on technology and different expectations. For Android phones the lifespan for a phone is 2-3 years, after which a person will get a new phone, either due to lack in performance or just poor battery life or everyone around them has newer phones. For iPhone that number is higher, at 3-4 years. I do feel that Google does think about customers long term but OEMs are happy selling more phones to you, so less incentive to spend resources on “long term” features. Apple can think long term because the cost of entering or switching its ecosystem is high, so people usually stick to iPhones. On Android there are so many choices that customer loyalty is inherently much lower (as compared to iOS). Out of all Android brands, Samsung enjoys the most loyalty.
@@ChenLiYong People switch phone recently have no relation with company loyalty. The switch phone with same brand tho, but more recent release. They want the newest phone sometime because want to upgrade the technology, new feature, new camera or sometime just to brag "i can afford new latest phone".
Thank you for the info, I did not know my Samsung could do this.
Your reviews are spectacular. Thank you.
Love the video, very detailed ❤ now i understand 😊 thank you!🎉
Thank you for researching into this! I‘d love to see you and your Team doing a comparison between to phones. One could be charged normally and one could be charged with fast charging, while draining them through watching youtube videos (or netflix) so they habe the same usage. Then after a year you could look how the actualy battery percentage is keeping up. Maybe do this with an iPhone?
The research that you dug in is just impressive. I feel like this content length isn't lengthy but feels like just 3mins of content. I really enjoyed and learnt a lot from this content.✊
Marques this was a very well prepared video, good research and an over the top vocabulary. Keep up the good work.
This was awesome. Very well explained!
Some friends were saying I was still using the "oldschool" method of preserving battery by letting it get to
You need to be an advocate for consumers. Don't let companies forget that they got rid of replaceable batteries. Every review should mention this.
Batteries are still replaceable. You just have to take the back off and unscrew a few screws. This really annoys me, because having spare batteries charged up and swapping them is more ergonomic than having an auxillery batteries plugged into the USB port.
But a lot phones have been glued shut. That means using a heat cannon to soften the glue, use picks or spudger to open it, only to find out the actual battery is glued jn too. As a bonus you lose the warranty.
@@akulkis what batteries are you referring to? batteries in modern phones are usually glued in to the phone, underneath a back panel that's also glued in. they're usually also attached with ribbon cables you need to unplug
Why would you need to change a battery? You can do 1 full day on every phone
@@4doorsmorewhors The premise of this video is that batteries wear out and lose their day-long capacity. Phone companies screwed their customers by making it easier to replace a phone than replace the worn-out battery.
You're legit about to make a whole documentary on tech one of these days and I'd sit and watch the whole thing! lol
Keep evolving MKBHD! Much love brother!
Good informations, keep it going, appreciated.
That was an incredibly informative video. Thanks :)
Love how informative this channel is. I learn a lot from all videos. 😊
I can’t even begin to tell you how much I appreciate everything you bring to the table, Marques. I’ve been a subscriber and follower since your early college days and you really are one of the true greats in the space. Theres no doubt about it. Thank you for these wonderfully made, informational videos. Never a disappointment.
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Keeping up the great job of keeping us informained! 😉 TNX MKBHD
Great video explaining this man. Thank you.
Its amazing how you are able to come up with good content every week.
That’s the benefit of running a RUclips studio and being a fulltime webvideo producer
@@pieterkoster6808 it’s an MKBHD video, when has it not been good? I don’t usually fan out over social media celebrities, but we have to be honest and say Marques’s content has never been a let down.
Week?
@@pieterkoster6808 well, most people comment quickly just because they want to get likes and appear in the top comments so true
Just want to say - great video! The information is so helpful as I'm looking for a faster charger (my Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra didn't come with a charger, which seems to be happening more often here). I'm probably not going to go mad with wattage but I want a lot more than what I have now with this old charger.
Change audio soundtrack to French, go to 6:53 --> welcome to the future of youtube.
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Hi firstly great video and very well explained.I have been using an Oppo Reno 4g pro for two years and it has 65w charging. I charged from around 30% to 100 every other day and the battery health is still around 89% so fast charging, from Oppo at least, does appear to work. Also I never noticed the phone heating up much during charging either, In fact I noticed far less heat compared to my wireless charger on my old phone. Charging from 0-100 in around 40mins is a huge benefit to me too. I now have a Oppo find x5 pro with a 5000mah and an 80w charger but despite the increase in watts it's slightly slower to charge than the Reno and the phone is almost cold at 100% so it seems the charge management seems to be improving too.
Oppo uses a technology named vooc which uses dual batteries which prevents heat and doesn't degrade the battery too
Mil gracias Marques. Esta informacion me ayudo mucho porque no tenia la menor idea como trabajan las baterias y porque siguen cambiando la technologia. Saludos!
I am a mobile repair technician and I've seen dozen of battery issues through out my 10 years of experience; a modern Battery with 5W or 10W charger should most likely survive around 3 years before showing any symptoms of degradation and performance; but the problem is not the power brick but the "HEAT". whether we like it or not all phones heat up under specific circumstances such as Gaming for a long period which draw more and more amp from battery to compensate the CPU/GPU needs which causes the Chipset to dissipate heat and that heat will reaches battery and effect electrons inside it. My Conclusion: use your phone in whatever situation you want, the batteries are one of the consumable parts of the phone and sooner or later you must change them to maintain their integrity.
That is not true at all. If you use you phone cleverly, the battery will survive at least 10 years without any problems. But if you belive that "fast charging does not damage the battery", then, you have to change your battery much more often.
@@richardkloubsky1299 that would be true under very specific circumstances; it varies on battery cells qualities; but a modern lit-ion battery would never last 10 years; the company’s financial income is based on selling batteries not persevering them to last longer that is why they wont provide you with a 10 years battery item
@@friends788 Well, I have 7 years old Nubia phone, and the battery still have 82% battery health (I havent measured it exactly, just with Accubattery app). But I have always charged it with 5W (5V, 1A), and only to 80%. I believe that if I used the original (faster) charger, the battery would have been dead now.
@@richardkloubsky1299i feel naked to say that Nokia is the only company which might be able to pull this up(high quality battery); but as i said earlier, it varies on your usage; anything that can heat up your phone raises probability of battery damage;
Do you game hard-core ? Like PUG or COD?
I believe NOT;
Simple game such as “Doodle Jump” or “Clash of Clans” does not effect battery;
So I’m guessing you are an average mobile user (no offense)
But I’m glad your phone battery still intact; not many people can take this good care of their phone for as much as you did.
Congrats anyhow ✌️
@@friends788 Yes, I am an average mobile user, I do not use my phone to play 3D games. Few times, the battery got cold (-10°C) or hot (45°C), but that was not very often. The point is, that if you take good care of the battery, it will last very long time without loss of capacity. My advices for long battery life are pretty simple:
Do not use higher charging current than 1C
Do not charge to more than 80% unless you really need it.
Do not charge the battery when it is cold (less than 0°C)
Do not let the battery get hot (more than 45°C)
Thanks for finding some very useful information for us!!!
Thanks Bhai Takimg UP The Confusion Topic ❤
Thanks for your research. In fact that's exactly what my concerns were. Hopefully these companies are really honest with their stuff though. I don't mind having a larger brick or even a slightly larger phone as long as it works since changeable batteries are a thing of the past.
Bold of you to assume they're honest. They'll never tell you the downsides of their own products. Otherwise, how would they make sales?
Love my Oneplus 9 with 65W Warp charging. I now charge in the morning while eating breakfast before work. Typically plug it in at like 20-30% and charge to 90-95% in maybe 15 minutes. It's honestly a game changer for me coming from a slower charging phone because I can juice up so quickly as needed
That was the magic of one plus i loved in 3t
Got the 9 as well and I'm still impressed by how fast it charges. And if you start charging it after midnight, it will stop at 80% and then tops off your battery just before you wake up. Not that I use this, but it's a cool feature. I usually plug the phone in like 20 minutes before I go to sleep. Works for me.
And why you dont just charge while you sleeping ? to easy huh :D
love my power delivery display cable
REALLY useful with a solar panel and battery bank, to get a quick optimal angle check
Nice informative video keep coming up with more stuff
Quality video. I remember when fast charging started to emerge. The Google Pixel 1 fast charged on non PD 5v 2.4a, but the pixel 2 and later require PD chargers for that. I miss that "feature" haha, but better for the devices. I fast charge always during the day, at night just slow, but batteries are cheap so I usually replace them when the phone starts to not last long enough.
That's great if you have a phone with a replaceable battery, but many phones and even laptops now are not designed for batteries to be replaced.
@@javabeanz8549 Ehhhh, the vast majority of mobile phones (as in 99%) have replaceable batteries. You can literally take any phone to any repair shop and get it done within the hour. Laptops are different but most of them are also replaceable unless the machine is glue-based (like Microsoft Surface products).
The word I believe you're looking for is: USER-REMOVABLE. A user-removable battery is easily removed in a mattery of seconds. Most phones today do not have user-removable batteries, but this DOES NOT MEAN that their batteries aren't replaceable. The batteries on modern phones are IN FACT REPLACEABLE - they just require tools to access and change the batteries.
TL;DR: Batteries are easily replaceable in virtually all modern phones. You can either get a shop to change it for you or you can buy the necessary tools to open up the phone yourself.
@@CassidyOG try changing the battery on an iPhone 10 and above
@@hsbdbsjsjebbdbsbsb370 You can get your battery replaced at any Apple-authorized repair shop. Apple also offers their own battery replacement service. Getting the battery replaced is trivial. But yeah, Apple is deffo anti-repair.
@@CassidyOG since RUclips refuses to let me edit my comments... If you actually bothered to read what I wrote, I said that the devices were NOT DESIGNED TO BE REPLACED. I never said that they could not be replaced. The average consumer is also most likely to replace the phone with a new or refurbished phone. I am not new to this industry, as I have been working on software and hardware repairs since the 1980's. And my experience with computers goes back to the mid 1970's, taking a BASIC language class at a little local computer store from the head of IT at a local paper mill, on a Poly 88 and an IMSAI, which you had to boot into "monitor ROM" via binary entry on paddle switches. I resisted actually moving from bar and flip phones to a Smartphone until 2015, but I had worked with getting them on WiFi for years. My original Moto X didn't have a battery that was designed to be replaced either, and trying to open the case pretty much destroyed it. Until I went with Moto X4, I had lower end Moto phones that all had replaceable batteries, which was great.
Your channel is quickly becoming one of my most trusted and on-point resources. Masterclass in presentation too.
Nicely done! Very helpful!
Man, this video is great, liked and subsribed. Keep going!
Instead of being scared of these crazy fast charging destroying my battery, I'm more concerned of more and more companies creating their own standard that is out of USB spec. I have an old(ish) OnePlus brick lying around and it can't even charge any other thing over 10W.
Yeah because to support fast charging you need Power Delivery or USB PD. And your old brick is surely not. 😂 OnePlus started PD from OnePlus 8T itself. I can charge my Dell Laptop with the OnePlus 65W Power Brick. 😂😂
Yes!
my op7t charger powers led strip lights. learn to solder. pretty fun
you forget, its not just the device these companies made.. USB spec changes too..
And yet, everyone is only complaining about Apple and their proprietary port. Apple us using the universal Standard PD.
Nice break downs. You explain tech quite well. Glad I found your channel.
Lik seriously I watch this channel all day now never knew I was into tech
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@@Dhuxul9 You have heard of Camouflage? I know I’m silly.
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Nice and very informative thanks Bro
Thank you for the time and effort you put into the research and content creation for this video. 👍
Your videos have reached a production level they no longer feel like youtuber videos but like there is a real production team behind it. The end result is .. solid. Kudos to you.
Lol well nowadays there kind of is...he definitely has his own studio which would imply some sort of team exists hence the need for a collaborative workspace.
Not that he can't do it all by himself but there comes a time where you hire a production team to free up time to be in front of the camera.