The Protestant guy said at the beginning of the video that he did everything in his power to disprove what his Catholic friend said about the canon. That shows that he didn’t search for the truth but rather whatever would fit his bias. He discredited the entire video from the beginning. Great job Alex with bringing out facts and actual history.
Remember it was the Jews that rejected the Apocrypha from the old testament first. Then it was tested verse by verse against the rest of the Bible. And found to not be inspired by God.
Its sad how Protestants pervert the holy scripture and how they are taught like soldiers certain scripture to go to war with the Catholic church. We aren't taught to weaponize the bible like that, and I can say how blessed I am that I was raised Catholic. However I did fall away, and when I came back to the faith I listened to Protestants which all said something differently, it threw me into confusion until the holy spirit guided me to the one true holy apostolic church.
@@brandonedwards1181 We fight against the false doctrines were they are. All false doctrines have been identified for years and proper interpretation of scriptures has gotten leaps and bounds better over the years . The Churches with false doctrines teach changed meaning of scriptures to cover for the false doctrine like a Cult does, making it difficult for those defending the false doctrine to see the truth. The false doctrines take many Christians to hell by slow separation from God.
@@dennisandretuestaflores448 Definitely not the Catholic Church. It has 95 false doctrines. I look for Churches that have zero false doctrine. But the Church Jesus is talking about is all Christians of any Denomination around the world from his time to now. Peter said we all are living Petros. He was the first. And we make up the beautiful Church that is in Jesus.
"3 things our protestant friends will not have without the catholic church" 1: The sacred scripture 2: The doctrine of trinity 3: The doctrine of Hypostatic union short canon history The Bible is a Catholic book. The Magisterium of the Church has the authority to determine the Bible canon. In AD -382 Pope Damasus-I At the First Council of Rome, the first complete canon was promulgated ... All 73 books (46 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament) are included in today's Bible. Pope Damasus declared that not a book should be added to this canon, nor should a book be taken away from it. Council of Hippo (AD - 393) Reaffirmed (state again strongly) 73 books in the Bible. Council of Carthage - Reaffimed the declarations of the Council of Rome in AD - 382 and the Council of Hippo in AD -393. In AD - 419 the 4th Council of Carthage confirmed all the decisions of the 3rd Council of Carthage. The Council of Florence (AD - 1442) reaffirmed the canon. Council of Trent AD-1546 Reaffirmed the canon. St. Jerome's Bible (Latin Vulgate) is officially announced once again. The Purpose of the Council was to counter the false doctrines caused by Protestant heresies. *British Bible society* and Robert Haldane (not Calvin or Zwingli or Luther) was responsible for removing 7 books from the Protestant Bible. Under Haldane's leadership, in 1821, a movement began against the British Bible Society demanding that funds not be given to Bible societies that were printing the Deutero Canon. The resolution was passed in 1822, which means that it has been only 200 years since Protestant churches started using the 66-book Bible. In the Heidelberg Disputation (AD1518) and Theses - 17 and 35, Luther quotes from the book of wisdom, Sirach ( Deutero Canon) for his arguments. Martin Luther debated with Catholic theologian Johann Eck in AD-1519 about the doctrine of purgatory... Luther's Arguments are Debunked... With that moment Luther took a stand the book of Maccabees was not part of the Canon ... (Jewish Canon was Right) Luther who rejected the canon of Septuagint rejected classified Epistle to the Hebrews(as it teaches about the priesthood -Hebrew 13:17), James( as it teaches that there is a reward for man's good works, James 2:24) , Jude, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and the Revelation of John as disputed( The Book of Revelation It is not useful to understand Christ, it does not have the work of the Holy Spirit). The question is But why are these books still included in Protestant Bibles? Some Protestants argue that the Catholic Church established the canon at the Council of Trent. !!! So how did the Deuterocanon appear in Martin Luther's and other Protestant Bibles? Doesn't it sound strange...!!! Huldrch Zwingli published the Bible in German in 1531, Martin Luther in 1534(German), and John Calvin in 1560 (English)All these included 73 books. In AD -1611 the king James version of the Bible was released ... and it had 73 books. The 7 books of the Old Testament were included under the name Deuterocanon....Interestingly, many references were used from these for the New Testament. After AD-1885 the Deutero Canon books were removed from king James Bible... Gutenberg Bible www.gutenbergdigital.de/gudi/eframes/index.html Luther Bible 1535 archive.org/download/lutherbibel1535 Geneva Bible of 1560 Edition: archive.org/details/TheGenevaBible1560 King James Bible of 1611 Edition: www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1661-Bible/ God bless you brother❤❤❤
Protestants would have the doctrine of the Trinity even if they incoherently hold to an incomplete canon. There were Trinitarians solely on the basis of scripture before the Council of Nicaea. Just because a statement was more clearly defined to address the false teachings of heretics does not mean the doctrine developed on that day. This is not an argument for sola scriptura, which is false, but just highlighting the reality of what took place long ago.
I met a “Orthodox” and all he did was trying to prove me Catholics wrong, I proved him Papal Infallibility and Immaculate conception and he couldn’t disprove me, so he said that I had no proof or just responded with “no”. When he realized he was also attacking Orthodox with saying that we shouldn’t ask Saints to pray for us or that Mary wasn’t sinless, he told me he will become Lutheran, just so he could be against me. These Protestants really hate Gods Church.
@@titusthegreat7434 matthew 16 for papal infallibility, while he says that peter is the rock, he is blessing peter, so thats the proof that the rock is peter. Immaculate conception means that Mary was sinless since her conception and had no original sin, luke 1:28, says she is full of grace which means that she was saved by Gods Grace from Sin, in the greek language the angel gabriel says she is full of grace in present perfect which means that she was sinless and continues to do so, that means she was sinless from her conception till now and forever
You come off as hypocritical and ignorant when you attack other denominations for choosing their faith when you Catholics do this all the time. Literally choose Catholicism over the Bible alone.. very tricky and dangerous. I don't trust the Catholic church at all, very creepy and evil vibes. The devil is definitely infiltrated into the Vatican imo. I'll stick with my Jesus and my Bible thanks.
Remember it was the Jews that rejected the Apocrypha from the old testament first. Then it was tested verse by verse against the rest of the Bible. And found to not be inspired by God.
I'm guessing the small number of thumbs down votes are Evangelicals that still think the 66-book KJV Bible dropped from the sky when Jesus ascended into heaven. Great video!
Peace on your journey. Give your local Catholic parish a call and ask them about their OCIA program. Ask away here too. There’s a ton of free resources out there that can help shed light on the truth.
"Easily refuted" the Catholic position. LOL. Yeah, nothing like accessing derivations of 16th century novelties to shoot down something that's been around for 2,000 years. All that time he spent on Adobe just to come out looking incompetent.
Great rebuttal brother. You gotta love how protestants talk about the early Church but never admit its catholicity. This guy obviously did not go to a catholic to get his explanation. He probably went to James White...lol.
On indulgences, i highly recommend people chrcking out shamless popery's video "8 myths of martin luther and the reformation" Joe eviscerates prot arguments in that. He also did a video on rebutting this same prot video too. I appreciate you showing basically the full video and touching on points Joe didn't.
@@darrellperez1029 i know, but there's so much info Joe Heschmeyer mentions that completely destroys the idea of the church being money grabbers or squeezing life savings from peasants, he also mentions that the poor could contribute and get an indulgence by praying if they lacked the finances.
@@darrellperez1029 Yes his approval of indulgences was in his thesis , what he was against was the selling of indulgences and the abuse of them. Luther believe that if indulgences were granted for donating or paying for them it would make Christian’s think they could buy forgiveness.
Its mindboggling how blindly they still reject the deuterocanon without knowing why they do. Especially now with being able to search anything on the internet to cross reference so easily. I want a protestant's reaction to Wisdom 2:12-24, praying it would be along of lines of "Oh wow that is literally prophesying the whole gospel"
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I hope i can download this one so that i can listen to it offline. I'm a baptist and i'm open to learning about the catholic faith. The Internet is not stable here in the philippines. 🙏 Blessings 😇
I'm a former Catholic who is now a member of an independent fundamentalist Baptist church. I suggest, for the sake of your soul, that you run from anything to do with the Catholic church.
@@sprinkleZ_ A fundamentalist only means we stick strictly to the Bible and never add such foolishness and lies like the Catholics do with poor Mary and their invention of Limbo and purgatory.
Another canon argument that I’ve become interested in is how undecided it was all the way up to its solemn dogmatizing at Trent. While yes we have many regional councils and even ecumenical councils prior to Trent that corroborate the Catholic canon, we can still see disputes over certain books through history even with cardinal Cajetan in the 16th century. This indicates that the canon was not so big an issue for most Christians that the church had to define it, because they had the church to teach sound doctrine. If Sola Scriptura was the paradigm, we should expect to see the canonizing of scripture far earlier in history and far more solemnly, but we don’t.
Remember it was the Jews that rejected the Apocrypha from the old testament first. Then it was tested verse by verse against the rest of the Bible. And found to not be inspired by God.
Howdy, Revised Standard Version New American Bible Contemporary English Version & Good News Translation are all translations approved by the Catholic Church. You can pick up a copy in any catholic church or on any website selling those bibles. Hope that helps! 🙏
RSV-CE, ESV-CE or if you.want a sacred name Biblethat Jewish converts use, check out the Jerusalem Bible. It was translated with the help of J.R.R Tolkein of Lord of the Rings fame.
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Oh please do a video on going over the Council of Trent🙏. I'm looking forward to this. I'm also looking forward to you debunking the myths that Protestants make to argue with; keeping my fingers crossed for those two videos🤞. By the way, love your videos man, very inspirational, and very educational too. Keep up the good work and may God bless you🙏.
At this point should we even take protestant serious at all especially since he ends the video about running away. You would think he will be humble enough to get feedback.
That is correct. The reason for these three councils is because some used different gospels such as the Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, or Enoch. That is why those councils were established
I sometimes get frustrated from all of the lies and false accusations protestants and others hurl at the Catholic church. Then, I derive comfort from it, because I'm reminded that Jesus told us we would be hated: John 15:18-20 18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. It affirms to me that the Catholic church is the only true church, because it is being persecuted like her Lord was. 🙏⛪️✝️
What does the selling of indulgences have to do with how the bible was put together? His video just went completely anti-catholic bc its not a genuine video about the bible. You know what I think is so interesting? When we start having the debate with protestants about the bible or authority somehow we always start discussing Luther (whether its protestants or Catholics) as if Luther is their "authority". Seems to me whether protestants like or or not they look to Luther as an authority and if they don't they still have an authority at their church whether its a pastor, elders, a board, etc. So why are only Catholics badgered about authority? 🤔 I would LOVE videos over what each of the counsels taught.
If I could be charitable as possible, he wanted to set up historical context for the reformation where the paradigm shifted to the 66 book canon (in his view). Of course one would hope there would be better reflection on the history after "months of research"
@Baelon_the_Bold1 You can refute Sola Scriptura from the Bible. Jesus did not believe in it. He says you must follow the teachings of the Pharisees (but not what they do because they are hypocrites) because they sit in the Seat of Moses. The Seat of Moses isn't in the Old Testament. Also Jesus went to the feast of Dedication of the temple which started in 2 Maccabees.
Catholics IMPLY people look to Luther. Christians look to Chirt, that is the dividing line, which is why arguments out of context are chosen by this individual. You didn't creat, nor do you have any authority to compile or certify any canon. Catholics follow a bloody church and a false apostle who they call father, and they pray to saints and Marys.. and nothing will ever help them hurdle that. They ARE the Roman Collegium of Pontiffs. Pagans who use Christ's name. They give authority to men, because they seek to have their own in the world they love so much.
I would like for you to do a video covering the council of Trent. I have protestant friends who their pastors have sermons on the council and they misunderstand or malign. But the council seems pretty dense for all lay people to just read through
The easiest way to refute Protestants on this matter is to ask them, "how many archangels are there? Name at least 3 of them." They won't have a clue if they only use 66 books as the source. 🤭
Way to tear this protestant argument to shreds Alex! Also the division of Torah, Writings and Prophets in the Jewish Tanak doesn't fully surface until about 900 AD and even then their division doesn't match the modern Jewish Tanak.
From my understanding many of the Jews that held to other text other than the Masoretic Text tended to convert to Christianity a main reason they rejected other texts in the Tanakh.
At the time of Jesus there were already several sectors and disputes within Judaism. It soon becomes invalid to turn to Judaism to discard the books used by the Church Fathers. To justify the demonic Luther.
I am not your boss as I am not a patreon user but I enjoy watching your videos, Particularly the ones in Spanish and I am trying to introduce my mother into the Byzantine, rite Or at least help her understand it, since I have been attending liturgy for the last 2 years. I attend both on Sundays but my mother doesn't understand that they are catholic under the pope as well as many other rites. Can you do a video in spanish about the other rites and the Liturgy and how it is still catholic and not Orthodox?
When it comes to Protestants its a case of, “what came first, the chicken or the egg”, THE CHURCH OR THE BIBLE? If they can ever figure that out we can all move on.
to sew the wind. Let’s not forget the confiscation of lands. Just like woke, it was a top down push on the heels of a virus. A theological debate that changed the world or useful pawns backed by the sword.
He uses Jan Huss to support his argument for indulgences. Huss was condemned by the Roman Catholic church and declared a heretic. On July 6th 1415 Huss was burned at the stake. Huss was the leader of the Bohemian reformation that started over a hundred years before Luther . His crimes included offering the cup to the laity, educating women, translating the Bible into Czech and preaching "faith alone".
I don't see where in Luthers 95 theses that he supported purgatory, indulgences and penances but on the contrary preached faith working through love and equality of leaders in Christ.
@VoiceOfReason_ Where can I find documentation that the early church used, as part of its criteria for establishing the biblical canon, that the books of the bible had to have been used in the church's liturgy? I can not find anything that says this.
“We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (Catholics) that with them is the word of God which we received from them, otherwise we would have known nothing about it at all” (From the commentary on St. John chapter 16.) -Martin Luther
14:00 Most of Protestants I debated was saying that Synod/Council of Rome 382 is a fictional council, since the document are coming out later in Pseudo-Gelasian Decree (6th century)
Whoever invented Tanach was clearly anti-Christian and took the opportunity to completely redefine Judaism. If you use this book as an excuse to justify Luther, you will also become an anti-Christ.
@@darrellperez1029Talmud, which is part of the Tanakh, was inspired by the "Holy Spirit" Devil to write the tradition and become the new law that would change the one passed by Moses and invented a new Judaism invented by humans. which is nothing more than spreading hatred against Christians.
But Tobit 4:9-11 says: 9 So you will be laying up a good treasure for yourself against the day of necessity. 10 For charity[a] delivers from death and keeps you from entering the darkness; 11 and for all who practice it charity is an excellent offering in the presence of the Most High. And Tobit 12:9 says: For almsgiving delivers from death, and it will purge away every sin. Those who perform deeds of charity[a] and of righteousness will have fulness of life; Did not Jesus encourage us to save up treasure in Heaven, in various ways including by helping those in need? Would love to see a video where the quotes of the Deuterocanninical books are quoted in the NT including the bits of Daniel that are missing from Protestant Bibles.
I'd also like to point out the fact that the Protestant guy fails to mention why he clings to the 66 book canon. If it's for the 4 points he mentioned, then those are horrible reasons. Plus, he never mentions by whose authority Martin Luther had to classify the Deuterocanon as the "Apocrypha", nor why we should accept his opinion on his canon of Scripture. The 4 points he mentioned aren't exactly an explanation on why we ought to accept the 66 book canon. Overall, great response vid on your part Alex
did anyone else notice 25:41 the video VoR is responding to spelled council of trent as "cousel" minor spelling error? on the internet? its so over for you
Also indulgences weren’t exactly bad either. They were also cheap for that time too. Extremely cheap. And even said that if you had nothing to offer just go into prayer and whether u bought and indulgence or not you had to make a mini pilgrimage. And if you couldn’t you would be assisted in your situation. The church was and always has been very providing.
Glory to Jesus Christ!! Can u plz make a video abt the Catholic charismatic movement? I grew up Catholic but I was raised also in the charismatic side of my parish. I’ve been hearing a lot of stuff lately that’s been making me question it, mainly bc I had my conversion thru one of those retreats. I just really need helpful information that will clarify things cuz it’s a hard time for me just finding this out and not knowing how to act. Plz pray for me to have light in my life bc as said in the Bible God is not the God of confusion. God bless 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I have the 1611 King James Bible and they have those 7 books in a separate section. When I first got it, I wanted the cover to be engraved with my name along with, "faithful Catholic" under it. I got that Protestant Bible along with the English Standard Version as well. And then I found out later that the English Standard Version has a Catholic edition. I got those Bibles so that I can use them with Protestants when I have dialogue with them. I can say to them, see it's here in your Bible version, which by the way, the Catholic Church gave you. 🤣
Voice, you correctly stated that the extra 7 'books' are from the OT time. The OT is the Jewish Book and they have not added them. Why? Correction: the 66 Books of our Bible are FAR older thank 200 years. 37 of them are much older than 2000 years old. The 27 of the NT are over 1900 years.
With the context of the theses that Martin Luther says, you find that he was referencing the pope when he said, “He who speaks against the truth of apostolic pardons, let him be anathema and accursed!”. Thus, Martin Luther did not say that he accepted indulgences. If you do not believe me read the theses 68-76 and tell me where he really says that he accepted indulgences as an act of being forgiven, and where he really says that they will be accursed.
I find it very ironic for that protestant to do and spend so much time and effort for his research only say at the end of his video to leave and run away from it. Simply proves he is not confident enough to defend and justify the blood, sweat and tears shed in making that video/statements. He didn't do enough research, being biased on his sources, and cherry picks contents. It is very obvious. He is inconsistent. He will never win a good argument from his Catholic friend.
The Protestant guy said at the beginning of the video that he did everything in his power to disprove what his Catholic friend said about the canon. That shows that he didn’t search for the truth but rather whatever would fit his bias. He discredited the entire video from the beginning. Great job Alex with bringing out facts and actual history.
Remember it was the Jews that rejected the Apocrypha from the old testament first. Then it was tested verse by verse against the rest of the Bible. And found to not be inspired by God.
Its sad how Protestants pervert the holy scripture and how they are taught like soldiers certain scripture to go to war with the Catholic church. We aren't taught to weaponize the bible like that, and I can say how blessed I am that I was raised Catholic. However I did fall away, and when I came back to the faith I listened to Protestants which all said something differently, it threw me into confusion until the holy spirit guided me to the one true holy apostolic church.
@@brandonedwards1181 We fight against the false doctrines were they are. All false doctrines have been identified for years and proper interpretation of scriptures has gotten leaps and bounds better over the years . The Churches with false doctrines teach changed meaning of scriptures to cover for the false doctrine like a Cult does, making it difficult for those defending the false doctrine to see the truth. The false doctrines take many Christians to hell by slow separation from God.
@@kennethprather9633 Then which is the true church founded by Jesús, among all those churches?
@@dennisandretuestaflores448 Definitely not the Catholic Church. It has 95 false doctrines.
I look for Churches that have zero false doctrine.
But the Church Jesus is talking about is all Christians of any Denomination around the world from his time to now.
Peter said we all are living Petros. He was the first. And we make up the beautiful Church that is in Jesus.
I actually own a German Lutheran Bible from my Grandma that has all 73 books. You are completely correct.
A 95 Thesis video AND a Council of Trent video? I say YES to both! 🙏
"3 things our protestant friends will not have without the catholic church"
1: The sacred scripture
2: The doctrine of trinity
3: The doctrine of Hypostatic union
short canon history
The Bible is a Catholic book. The Magisterium of the Church has the authority to determine the Bible canon.
In AD -382 Pope Damasus-I At the First Council of Rome, the first complete canon was promulgated ...
All 73 books (46 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament) are included in today's Bible. Pope Damasus declared that not a book should be added to this canon, nor should a book be taken away from it.
Council of Hippo (AD - 393) Reaffirmed (state again strongly) 73 books in the Bible.
Council of Carthage - Reaffimed the declarations of the Council of Rome in AD - 382 and the Council of Hippo in AD -393. In AD - 419 the 4th Council of Carthage confirmed all the decisions of the 3rd Council of Carthage.
The Council of Florence (AD - 1442) reaffirmed the canon.
Council of Trent AD-1546 Reaffirmed the canon. St. Jerome's Bible (Latin Vulgate) is officially announced once again.
The Purpose of the Council was to counter the false doctrines caused by Protestant heresies.
*British Bible society* and
Robert Haldane (not Calvin or Zwingli or Luther) was responsible for removing 7 books from the Protestant Bible.
Under Haldane's leadership, in 1821, a movement began against the British Bible Society demanding that funds not be given to Bible societies that were printing the Deutero Canon. The resolution was passed in 1822,
which means that it has been only 200 years since Protestant churches started using the 66-book Bible.
In the Heidelberg Disputation (AD1518) and Theses - 17 and 35, Luther quotes from the book of wisdom, Sirach ( Deutero Canon) for his arguments.
Martin Luther debated with Catholic theologian Johann Eck in AD-1519 about the doctrine of purgatory... Luther's Arguments are Debunked... With that moment Luther took a stand the book of Maccabees was not part of the Canon ... (Jewish Canon was Right)
Luther who rejected the canon of Septuagint rejected classified Epistle to the Hebrews(as it teaches about the priesthood -Hebrew 13:17), James( as it teaches that there is a reward for man's good works, James 2:24) , Jude, 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, and the Revelation of John as disputed( The Book of Revelation It is not useful to understand Christ, it does not have the work of the Holy Spirit).
The question is But why are these books still included in Protestant Bibles?
Some Protestants argue that the Catholic Church established the canon at the Council of Trent. !!!
So how did the Deuterocanon appear in Martin Luther's and other Protestant Bibles?
Doesn't it sound strange...!!!
Huldrch Zwingli published the Bible in German in 1531, Martin Luther in 1534(German), and John Calvin in 1560 (English)All these included 73 books. In AD -1611 the king James version of the Bible was released ... and it had 73 books. The 7 books of the Old Testament were included under the name Deuterocanon....Interestingly, many references were used from these for the New Testament. After AD-1885 the Deutero Canon books were removed from king James Bible...
Gutenberg Bible
www.gutenbergdigital.de/gudi/eframes/index.html
Luther Bible 1535 archive.org/download/lutherbibel1535
Geneva Bible of 1560 Edition:
archive.org/details/TheGenevaBible1560
King James Bible of 1611 Edition:
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1661-Bible/
God bless you brother❤❤❤
This needs more upvotes votes 🙏🙏
Good to know...
Solid work
Protestants would have the doctrine of the Trinity even if they incoherently hold to an incomplete canon. There were Trinitarians solely on the basis of scripture before the Council of Nicaea. Just because a statement was more clearly defined to address the false teachings of heretics does not mean the doctrine developed on that day. This is not an argument for sola scriptura, which is false, but just highlighting the reality of what took place long ago.
BS
I met a “Orthodox” and all he did was trying to prove me Catholics wrong, I proved him Papal Infallibility and Immaculate conception and he couldn’t disprove me, so he said that I had no proof or just responded with “no”. When he realized he was also attacking Orthodox with saying that we shouldn’t ask Saints to pray for us or that Mary wasn’t sinless, he told me he will become Lutheran, just so he could be against me. These Protestants really hate Gods Church.
Pray for that man. His heart is hard, and he's choosing his faith out of pure spite.
@@Cklert I did, 3 or 2 rosaries, I might still continue praying for souls to get into Gods Church
What scriptures do you recommend we use to support papal infallibility and immaculate conception when debating Protestants and Muslims
@@titusthegreat7434 matthew 16 for papal infallibility, while he says that peter is the rock, he is blessing peter, so thats the proof that the rock is peter. Immaculate conception means that Mary was sinless since her conception and had no original sin, luke 1:28, says she is full of grace which means that she was saved by Gods Grace from Sin, in the greek language the angel gabriel says she is full of grace in present perfect which means that she was sinless and continues to do so, that means she was sinless from her conception till now and forever
You come off as hypocritical and ignorant when you attack other denominations for choosing their faith when you Catholics do this all the time. Literally choose Catholicism over the Bible alone.. very tricky and dangerous. I don't trust the Catholic church at all, very creepy and evil vibes. The devil is definitely infiltrated into the Vatican imo. I'll stick with my Jesus and my Bible thanks.
Thank you Alex for standing up to the Catholic faith, god bless you brother, dominus vobiscum
Remember it was the Jews that rejected the Apocrypha from the old testament first. Then it was tested verse by verse against the rest of the Bible. And found to not be inspired by God.
Lol, you and Shameless Popery responding to the same video on the same day! Excellent!!! You gotta gives Joe's response a watch also! ✌️❤️🔥✝️
I gotta check that out!
I can't find it. 😕
I'm guessing the small number of thumbs down votes are Evangelicals that still think the 66-book KJV Bible dropped from the sky when Jesus ascended into heaven. Great video!
The 66 book bible was dropped onto adam in the 6000 year old earth
🤣🤣🤣 thanks for doing this video Alex! I’m Jessica 🙋🏻♀️🤣 you’re welcome for telling you what to do 😂
@@TheHumbleConvert thank you, boss 😎
I'm a protestant guy and I would like to learn more I'm really open minded
Peace on your journey. Give your local Catholic parish a call and ask them about their OCIA program. Ask away here too. There’s a ton of free resources out there that can help shed light on the truth.
If you changed his word, you will miss things like if you deny me I will deny you, you honor me with your mouth, but your heart is far from me!!
"Easily refuted" the Catholic position. LOL. Yeah, nothing like accessing derivations of 16th century novelties to shoot down something that's been around for 2,000 years. All that time he spent on Adobe just to come out looking incompetent.
I easily refute everyone I debate also, easily and thoroughly.
Don't ask anyone, just trust me bro 😂
@@jd3jefferson556 I’m an expert debatificationist.
You cannot refute God 😂
Great rebuttal brother. You gotta love how protestants talk about the early Church but never admit its catholicity. This guy obviously did not go to a catholic to get his explanation. He probably went to James White...lol.
Brought my first icon it's coming tomorrow!
1:18 I’m so glad you’ve found a way to be both fruitful and edifying!!! God bless, brother!!!
Thankyou brother I’m going to Catholic Church this Sunday
Wow,dont doubt Catholic and Catholic teachings.
PLEASE MAKE ALL 3 OF THOSE VIDEOS ESPECIALLY THE COUNCIL OF TRENT
On indulgences, i highly recommend people chrcking out shamless popery's video "8 myths of martin luther and the reformation" Joe eviscerates prot arguments in that. He also did a video on rebutting this same prot video too. I appreciate you showing basically the full video and touching on points Joe didn't.
His approval of indulgences is in his thesis.
@@darrellperez1029 i know, but there's so much info Joe Heschmeyer mentions that completely destroys the idea of the church being money grabbers or squeezing life savings from peasants, he also mentions that the poor could contribute and get an indulgence by praying if they lacked the finances.
@@darrellperez1029 Yes his approval of indulgences was in his thesis , what he was against was the selling of indulgences and the abuse of them. Luther believe that if indulgences were granted for donating or paying for them it would make Christian’s think they could buy forgiveness.
@@ThatGuy-nr5sp Agree. The indulgences for the Vatican (in his eyes) were the only approved ones
Keep smacking down those lies! Good work!
Bro - you’re the best - keep crushing it 🔥 - god bless 🙏👊
Its mindboggling how blindly they still reject the deuterocanon without knowing why they do. Especially now with being able to search anything on the internet to cross reference so easily. I want a protestant's reaction to Wisdom 2:12-24, praying it would be along of lines of "Oh wow that is literally prophesying the whole gospel"
Do both video ideas. Go over indulgences and Council of Trent. Do it.
Also, W video Alex
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@@jd3jefferson556 lol I didn't even realize
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I hope i can download this one so that i can listen to it offline.
I'm a baptist and i'm open to learning about the catholic faith. The Internet is not stable here in the philippines. 🙏
Blessings 😇
I'm a former Catholic who is now a member of an independent fundamentalist Baptist church. I suggest, for the sake of your soul, that you run from anything to do with the Catholic church.
@@johnbrowne2170says who? You? 😂😂😂
@@isans0507 It's my obligation as a Christian to warn about cults.
@@johnbrowne2170an independent Fundamentalist Baptist warning about cults is quite ironic. For your own sake leave the fundamentalists.
@@sprinkleZ_ A fundamentalist only means we stick strictly to the Bible and never add such foolishness and lies like the Catholics do with poor Mary and their invention of Limbo and purgatory.
Another canon argument that I’ve become interested in is how undecided it was all the way up to its solemn dogmatizing at Trent. While yes we have many regional councils and even ecumenical councils prior to Trent that corroborate the Catholic canon, we can still see disputes over certain books through history even with cardinal Cajetan in the 16th century. This indicates that the canon was not so big an issue for most Christians that the church had to define it, because they had the church to teach sound doctrine. If Sola Scriptura was the paradigm, we should expect to see the canonizing of scripture far earlier in history and far more solemnly, but we don’t.
Remember it was the Jews that rejected the Apocrypha from the old testament first. Then it was tested verse by verse against the rest of the Bible. And found to not be inspired by God.
Great video thank you @Voice of reason @Alex GOD Bless your family and you. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
I'm a Protestant asking where can I get a Catholic Bible with these seven extra books? Thank you
Howdy,
Revised Standard Version
New American Bible
Contemporary English Version
& Good News Translation are all translations approved by the Catholic Church. You can pick up a copy in any catholic church or on any website selling those bibles. Hope that helps! 🙏
@@aldoism1455 Thanks so much.
@@aldoism1455 And very helpful again thanks.
RSV-CE, ESV-CE or if you.want a sacred name Biblethat Jewish converts use, check out the Jerusalem Bible. It was translated with the help of J.R.R Tolkein of Lord of the Rings fame.
God bless you Alex🙏
26:22 yes, I want you to do additional videos. Oh, on what topic? Doesn't matter the topic. I just love listening to your voice. #bass
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Thank you for this video! You are my favorite youtuber, and I watch you daily. God bless you, and as always, PRAY FOR ME, A SINNER.
Yes, please do a video on the Council of Trent!
I feel like a have sinned again, failing to restrain myself, please pray for me in this hour of need?
I love it! Thank you 🙏 keep going! Viva Cristo Rey!
Yes! Let’s goooo! Do it!
Id love videos on the counsel of Trent and indulgences
Selling indulgencies isn't Christian.
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Council of Trent vid would be very useful
Oh please do a video on going over the Council of Trent🙏. I'm looking forward to this. I'm also looking forward to you debunking the myths that Protestants make to argue with; keeping my fingers crossed for those two videos🤞. By the way, love your videos man, very inspirational, and very educational too. Keep up the good work and may God bless you🙏.
This is good stuff. I am looking forward to those additional videos.
At this point should we even take protestant serious at all especially since he ends the video about running away. You would think he will be humble enough to get feedback.
Excellent video! I have a King James Bible with those 7 books in it.
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That counsel of trent video is a good idea.
Very informative! Can't wait for your follow-up videos!
That is correct. The reason for these three councils is because some used different gospels such as the Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, or Enoch. That is why those councils were established
I sometimes get frustrated from all of the lies and false accusations protestants and others hurl at the Catholic church.
Then, I derive comfort from it, because I'm reminded that Jesus told us we would be hated:
John 15:18-20
18 “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also.
It affirms to me that the Catholic church is the only true church, because it is being persecuted like her Lord was.
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I was also going crazy watching this with you.. Gosh, repeated arguments that have been refuted more than a million times
Yes council of Trent. We want to learn our faith more and more
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Good on you brother Alex love u from Ur Samoan Christian brother here 🇼🇸☦️🫡
Do a video on both 95 thesis & council of Trent. People need the truth.
Déjà vu for fans of Shameless Popery
What does the selling of indulgences have to do with how the bible was put together? His video just went completely anti-catholic bc its not a genuine video about the bible. You know what I think is so interesting? When we start having the debate with protestants about the bible or authority somehow we always start discussing Luther (whether its protestants or Catholics) as if Luther is their "authority". Seems to me whether protestants like or or not they look to Luther as an authority and if they don't they still have an authority at their church whether its a pastor, elders, a board, etc. So why are only Catholics badgered about authority? 🤔
I would LOVE videos over what each of the counsels taught.
When Protestants lose arguments they just start spewing all the objections they have. James White is a professional at this
If I could be charitable as possible, he wanted to set up historical context for the reformation where the paradigm shifted to the 66 book canon (in his view). Of course one would hope there would be better reflection on the history after "months of research"
@Baelon_the_Bold1 You can refute Sola Scriptura from the Bible. Jesus did not believe in it. He says you must follow the teachings of the Pharisees (but not what they do because they are hypocrites) because they sit in the Seat of Moses. The Seat of Moses isn't in the Old Testament. Also Jesus went to the feast of Dedication of the temple which started in 2 Maccabees.
@Baelon_the_Bold1 Your post looks fine to me....
Catholics IMPLY people look to Luther. Christians look to Chirt, that is the dividing line, which is why arguments out of context are chosen by this individual.
You didn't creat, nor do you have any authority to compile or certify any canon.
Catholics follow a bloody church and a false apostle who they call father, and they pray to saints and Marys.. and nothing will ever help them hurdle that.
They ARE the Roman Collegium of Pontiffs. Pagans who use Christ's name.
They give authority to men, because they seek to have their own in the world they love so much.
I would like for you to do a video covering the council of Trent. I have protestant friends who their pastors have sermons on the council and they misunderstand or malign. But the council seems pretty dense for all lay people to just read through
Nice. Pls create a video about the Council of Trent
Great video Alex your so smart
We need the video of the council of Trent and 95 thesis
The easiest way to refute Protestants on this matter is to ask them, "how many archangels are there? Name at least 3 of them."
They won't have a clue if they only use 66 books as the source. 🤭
Way to tear this protestant argument to shreds Alex! Also the division of Torah, Writings and Prophets in the Jewish Tanak doesn't fully surface until about 900 AD and even then their division doesn't match the modern Jewish Tanak.
Joe Heschmyer did a podcast on this today
I noticed that. What are the odds?
How do you research all of what you said in this video? I would love to study our Catholic timeline.
Thank you!❤
From my understanding many of the Jews that held to other text other than the Masoretic Text tended to convert to Christianity a main reason they rejected other texts in the Tanakh.
At the time of Jesus there were already several sectors and disputes within Judaism. It soon becomes invalid to turn to Judaism to discard the books used by the Church Fathers. To justify the demonic Luther.
I would love a video all about the Didichae. How old it is, who they think wrote it, How it is similar to Catholicism and the the catechism.
Thanks for this.
How did you learn everything you know?
He studied and he prays.
I am not your boss as I am not a patreon user but I enjoy watching your videos, Particularly the ones in Spanish and I am trying to introduce my mother into the Byzantine, rite Or at least help her understand it, since I have been attending liturgy for the last 2 years. I attend both on Sundays but my mother doesn't understand that they are catholic under the pope as well as many other rites. Can you do a video in spanish about the other rites and the Liturgy and how it is still catholic and not Orthodox?
When it comes to Protestants its a case of, “what came first, the chicken or the egg”, THE CHURCH OR THE BIBLE?
If they can ever figure that out we can all move on.
I think they know, they just wish they can change it or disprove it.
Protestants should look up Lloyd de jongh if they want to know what kind of man Martin Luther actually was.
Wake up it’s another Voice of Reason video
"This prominent marketing phrase" for the Vatican in Italy, mysteriously written and rhyming in modern English...
to sew the wind. Let’s not forget the confiscation of lands. Just like woke, it was a top down push on the heels of a virus. A theological debate that changed the world or useful pawns backed by the sword.
Well done Alex.
He uses Jan Huss to support his argument for indulgences. Huss was condemned by the Roman Catholic church and declared a heretic. On July 6th 1415 Huss was burned at the stake. Huss was the leader of the Bohemian reformation that started over a hundred years before Luther . His crimes included offering the cup to the laity, educating women, translating the Bible into Czech and preaching "faith alone".
You remind me of St Francid DeSales with a sence of humor
I wonder if he gets the LDS ad that I keep getting.
I don't see where in Luthers 95 theses that he supported purgatory, indulgences and penances but on the contrary preached faith working through love and equality of leaders in Christ.
@VoiceOfReason_ Where can I find documentation that the early church used, as part of its criteria for establishing the biblical canon, that the books of the bible had to have been used in the church's liturgy? I can not find anything that says this.
COUNCIL OF ROME
“We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (Catholics) that with them is the word of God which we received from them, otherwise we would have known nothing about it at all” (From the commentary on St. John chapter 16.) -Martin Luther
14:00 Most of Protestants I debated was saying that Synod/Council of Rome 382 is a fictional council, since the document are coming out later in Pseudo-Gelasian Decree (6th century)
Circular reasoning: the Books of the Bible are inspired and so is the CC which tells us which ones are inspired, therefore the 66 + 7 are inspired.
Whoever invented Tanach was clearly anti-Christian and took the opportunity to completely redefine Judaism. If you use this book as an excuse to justify Luther, you will also become an anti-Christ.
No, not really, because you also abide by parts of the tanakh
@@darrellperez1029Talmud, which is part of the Tanakh, was inspired by the "Holy Spirit" Devil to write the tradition and become the new law that would change the one passed by Moses and invented a new Judaism invented by humans. which is nothing more than spreading hatred against Christians.
But Tobit 4:9-11 says:
9 So you will be laying up a good treasure for yourself against the day of necessity. 10 For charity[a] delivers from death and keeps you from entering the darkness; 11 and for all who practice it charity is an excellent offering in the presence of the Most High.
And Tobit 12:9 says:
For almsgiving delivers from death, and it will purge away every sin. Those who perform deeds of charity[a] and of righteousness will have fulness of life;
Did not Jesus encourage us to save up treasure in Heaven, in various ways including by helping those in need?
Would love to see a video where the quotes of the Deuterocanninical books are quoted in the NT including the bits of Daniel that are missing from Protestant Bibles.
Luther didn't remove books from the Bible . He died before the Council of Trent decided on the canon. The Canon is still open.
I'd also like to point out the fact that the Protestant guy fails to mention why he clings to the 66 book canon. If it's for the 4 points he mentioned, then those are horrible reasons. Plus, he never mentions by whose authority Martin Luther had to classify the Deuterocanon as the "Apocrypha", nor why we should accept his opinion on his canon of Scripture. The 4 points he mentioned aren't exactly an explanation on why we ought to accept the 66 book canon. Overall, great response vid on your part Alex
did anyone else notice 25:41 the video VoR is responding to spelled council of trent as "cousel"
minor spelling error? on the internet? its so over for you
great video
It's like listening to Rocky Balboa defending the Catholic church. lol
Jude confirms what he said about the muratorian canon.
Also indulgences weren’t exactly bad either. They were also cheap for that time too. Extremely cheap. And even said that if you had nothing to offer just go into prayer and whether u bought and indulgence or not you had to make a mini pilgrimage. And if you couldn’t you would be assisted in your situation. The church was and always has been very providing.
Glory to Jesus Christ!! Can u plz make a video abt the Catholic charismatic movement? I grew up Catholic but I was raised also in the charismatic side of my parish. I’ve been hearing a lot of stuff lately that’s been making me question it, mainly bc I had my conversion thru one of those retreats. I just really need helpful information that will clarify things cuz it’s a hard time for me just finding this out and not knowing how to act. Plz pray for me to have light in my life bc as said in the Bible God is not the God of confusion. God bless 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I have the 1611 King James Bible and they have those 7 books in a separate section. When I first got it, I wanted the cover to be engraved with my name along with, "faithful Catholic" under it. I got that Protestant Bible along with the English Standard Version as well. And then I found out later that the English Standard Version has a Catholic edition. I got those Bibles so that I can use them with Protestants when I have dialogue with them. I can say to them, see it's here in your Bible version, which by the way, the Catholic Church gave you. 🤣
Voice, you correctly stated that the extra 7 'books' are from the OT time. The OT is the Jewish Book and they have not added them. Why? Correction: the 66 Books of our Bible are FAR older thank 200 years. 37 of them are much older than 2000 years old. The 27 of the NT are over 1900 years.
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With the context of the theses that Martin Luther says, you find that he was referencing the pope when he said, “He who speaks against the truth of apostolic pardons, let him be anathema and accursed!”. Thus, Martin Luther did not say that he accepted indulgences. If you do not believe me read the theses 68-76 and tell me where he really says that he accepted indulgences as an act of being forgiven, and where he really says that they will be accursed.
Were indulgences an old fashion Patreon?
Ask the 95 thesis that question. Its there where Luther supports it
What kind of lame excuse is that? Not printing those 7 books because it is cheaper??
At the time of Martin Luther there was already a translation of the Bible in German before his
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yea pls Alex, do Council of Trent
Why was the first video trying to make the op debate a Matt Walsh lookalike
I find it very ironic for that protestant to do and spend so much time and effort for his research only say at the end of his video to leave and run away from it. Simply proves he is not confident enough to defend and justify the blood, sweat and tears shed in making that video/statements. He didn't do enough research, being biased on his sources, and cherry picks contents. It is very obvious. He is inconsistent. He will never win a good argument from his Catholic friend.