Are Catholics WRONG About PETER?! (Response to True Christian Ministry)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In this video, I respond to Mike from True Christian Ministry and his response to one of my Tik-Tok videos on the Papacy.
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I’m an ex-Lutheran and I find is really weird that someone would argue that the guy named rock, is not the rock. Even Lutherans believes that Peter was the first pope. Luther opened the door to so much weird stuff.
Sola Scriptura does that.
So, why are they Lutherans?
@@Kitiwake Lutherans don’t deny that Peter was the pope or that the pope had successors. Luther just thought the pope in his time was the antipope, making him (Luther) a sedevacantist and a heretic. So after his excommunication he started his own church where he believed there was no need for a pope. Because they could just follow the Bible. Which everyone interpreted differently.
@@ModernLady, makes sense absolutely!❤🎉
Pandora’s box
Why do protestants think they’re asking a unique question, like they’re the first to ask this in the 2000 years of the church 💀 especially the 1500 years where everyone belonged to the one church started by Jesus. These have been asked for centuries and have been answered for centuries.
Yes. I honestly believe that.
Well technically there was a great schism in 1054 where the Eastern Orthodox separated from Catholics before Martin Luther.
But yeah it’s interesting to see people (even I’m guilty of this) thinking that they have it all figured out with their gotcha questions lol
Thats right Demi...its the modern Protest just asserting w/ lousy objections, long refuted....esp historically
When your tradition isn’t as old as ford motor company or some US. states you don’t exactly have a deep well of scholastic works to draw from.
@@artisdead2the schism didn’t end in 1054 that’s just a date that’s given. There was relations with Eastern Catholics up until the Council of Florence and that’s when the real schism took place and there was real separation
I've seen this debate so many times and catholic answers are always the same while prodestants are all over answers they will never accept it clear as water
i think after this explanation the only reason why a Protestant will still reject that Peter is the rock is their pride... i know, i know.. the hardest thing for a pride person to do is to confess that he was wrong ..😑
The bible says that we are all living rocks..they kiss that one
@@cfG21 that doesn't cotradict that Peter is the rock .. yes the bible says we are the rocks but Jesus didn't say that we are the rock that He will build His church on, He said it to one and only one person and that is Peter 🤷🏻♀️
No.
We have other reasons to reject peter as pope.
Also it is pretty prideful to claim that people only disagree with you is because of pride.
@@razoredge6130 sorry but, disagreeing for no reasonable reason even after all the evidences put on the table is pride 🤷🏻♀️ ...
@@161989able We have reasonable arguments against the papacy. Browse protestant RUclips, there are intellectual arguments on both sides.
Jesus is the delegator and Peter is the delegate. Peter's authority is derived from Jesus' authority. If Jesus were not the Rock in the primary sense, Peter would never be the Rock in the secondary sense. Peter is the Rock because Jesus had the authority to designate and define him as such. Peter's authority proceeds from and depends on the ultimate authority of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church is correct.
Yes my brother
Exactly. Simon is renamed Rock as a reflection on who Christ is, Who is THE Rock.
@jonatasmachado7217
Beautifully said and amen...thank you.
It's pretty simple if it weren't religion everyone would agree.
AMEN AMEN!!!!! ST.PETER IS THE ROCK.... HE IS THE HEAD OF OUR LORDS CHURCH.
It's funny how they claim to sola-scripturize everything while they neglect all the things that don't confirm their biases. Ave Christus Rex.
Do you think they really believe what they say? I can’t imagine how they could. It seems like they just try and justify Protestant beliefs bc they are in denial and don’t want to become Catholic bc it is seen as more difficult or something. I genuinely wonder
The basis of Sola Scriptura falls flat when you realize that Catholics created the Bible and Sola Scriptura implies the freedom to freely intetpet it
@@derekhandson351 catholics didn't create the Bible, they did put their lesser version together, but it's missing verses and has added apocrypha in it -- which contradicts Scripture.
all one has to do is a simply read of Scripture to see catholicism isn't Christianity.
let me know if you'd like to see this easy to prove information!
thanks in advance, Sir.
@@tony1685The Catholic Bible is based off the Codex Vaticanus Manuscript and the Septuagint. The ones the protestants use are a part of the Masoteric Text which are of Rabbi's who were against Christ
@tony1685 You should simply read about the Council of Rome, which determined the original biblical canon.
I almost died of cringe when he said that Jesus didn't called Simon as Peter in John 1.
That Prots position is absolutely pathetic
@@t.d6379I can’t understand why Protestants think they’re right unless they’re just in denial bc they don’t wanna become Catholic bc it’s seen as “harder”
If I were to be charitable, I think his point is that since John is not a synoptic gospel, it isn’t written with chronology in mind, so when Jesus greets Simon and calls him Peter then, it’s not saying that Jesus historically and precisely said to Simon “you will be called Peter” in that moment, but as a reminder to the readers that Peter = Simon. I think that’s his point.
Yup for us who are not really seeking truth or not knowing the scriptures it is easy to comment on anything that comes out from our mouth without a second thought.
@@killianmiller6107 I don't think his point wasnt that John was saying this just as a reminder to readers, but rather I think his point was that John cares less for the chronological order of things.
Just came across and subbed to you after seeing you on Catholic Answers. I am born and raised Catholic. Was recently falling away but thanks to guys like you, Trent Horn, and Jimmy Aiken who are so knowledgeable and passionate about the faith and have thoroughly answered any questions and doubts I’ve had, I am returning full throttle now. God bless you and keep up the good work.
Same for me!
Let's goooo! Blessed be the Lord. Keep fighting the Good Fight.
You've got a brother right here.
Protestants claim sola scriptura but rarely hold to it. They twist, distort, add to, subtract from, and do flips to avoid scripture at all costs when it disagrees with their theology. Lets look at Romans 2 for example:
He will repay according to each one’s deeds: 7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, 8 while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but injustice, there will be wrath and fury. 9
This is just a small sample, the whole chapter just furthers this base point. Ive never heard a single protestant explanation for this verse. The best i get is a redirect to another passage like ephesians, galatians, or another chapter in romans against works of the law but never a follow up to what paul meant in that view there in romans 2.
Here's the secret.... protestants cant understand that there are multiple categories of works. Works of the law, good works, works of the flesh, works of darkness, works of the spirit.
Their theologies all depend on all these being the same category and that believing is not a work of any kind. The apostle paul clearly labels all these different types of works and if you allow for good works and works of the law to be different things then it becomes obvious. For fun try to guess what type of works im listing!
Feeding the hungry, giving money to the poor, increasing your faith in christ, bringing back a fallen away christian, and bringing your children to christ. Ok.... now what types of works am i talking about now?
Ritual washing of hands, circumcision, dietary laws, observance of shabbat rituals, observation of holy days, and rituals for how to handle torah.
Its super easy to tell which kind of works a bible author is writing about and i think protestants have to play dumb on this point to make all their theologies work.
Voice of reason you did it again!! Glory to God. Holy bro like actually your goateddd, you studied for 13 years about the faith (bible and church history) and now your in your ministry, I wish and hope your ministry keeps on going good and that it can reach a lot of people that are in need, are curious, or are just lost, but God bless you Alex and have a good day 🙏🏼.
I’m adding this argument in my “why Peter is the pope” holster! Thank you brother and keep up the good work defending the Catholic faith; the one true holy Catholic and apostolic church. The Catholic Church is indeed the church Christ established. 😊
Debunk this:
Even if you disagree with a few of these you can not disagree with all of them. These events happened they can not and are not disputed.
I dont know enough about the Eastern Orthodoxy Catholics, the Oriental Orthodoxy Catholics, or the Assyrian Church of the East Catholics, but it is clear through the lense of History that Jesus was talking about the Roman Catholics in Matthew 7:22-23. Let me explain:
Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly, they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, and neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
So lets apply this Biblical test to the Roman Catholic Church and check their fruit. Bible literally demands it.
Matthew 23:9
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
1 Timilothy 2:5
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Revelation 22:18-19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The Jewish Tora is the Old Testament. None of the Catholic Apocrypha is in the Old Testament. Vise versa with the New Testament. So where did those blasphemous books come from?
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
If you didn't know, iniquity means lawlessness.
Exodus 20:3-10
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. 8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13 Thou shalt not kill. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
The Roman Catholic church has violated most of them and encourages its members to do the same. Being unrepentant of sin will keep you from the Kingdom and the false prophets disguised as priests encourages their members to sin.
They pray to Mary, putting her above God to have influence over him as if anyone could influence God. They even pray to Angels and Saints. Praying to anyone else other than God is praying to Demons and, by extension, putting them above God.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Is Mary or any of the saints alive here on Earth today? If no, then think heavy about this next question: Is there a big yellow ball in the sky and are we under it? If the answer is yes, then answer this next question: What is it called? If you answer "The Sun", then you know in your heart of hearts that you've been praying to Demons.
Jesus himself rebuked a woman in the crowd who attempted to worship Mary directly in front of Jesus' face.
Luke 11:27-28
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Jesus, God himself in the Flesh said: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)
Revelation 19:6
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. (Omnipotent)
1 John 3:20
For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. (omniscient)
Psalms 139:7-10
7 Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? 8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. 9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, 10 even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. (omnipresent)
Mary, saints, and angels are not omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent. They can not hear your prayers. Especially if theres Billions of people praying to them.
God is literally omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. Therefore he literally heard you pray to an idol of Mary, Saints, or an Angel. You have them all over your church, your house, or your pocket (rosary). It is 100% idolatry.
Remember the Sabith day and keep it Holy: The Sabith is and always will be Saturday. The Vadican has no authority to change it.
Thou shalt not kill: Should I remind you about the Crusades? I get it, the Middle East started it. The Catholic church still "blesses" weapons of war today, in this modern age. They can bless a weapon for hunting, but not for war. Let the governments do the sinning. The church is to remain sinless.
Thou shalt not commit adultery: Have you checked on the Catholic altar boys lately? Priests love them a little too much.
Thou shalt not steal: The crusaders pillaged and robbed the people of the Middle East in the name of God. Which is also a violation of not taking Gods name in vain as the church sins in Gods name, and in accordance with Exodus 20:7, God will not hold them guiltless, which means they are not saved and have no salvation.
Applying the biblical test of checking their fruits shows that Jesus was talking about the Roman Catholics in Matthew 23:9, Matthew 7:15-20, Matthew 7:22, and Exodus 20:7. Unfortunately he wasn't talking about them in Matthew 12:48-50
Matthew 12:48-50
48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Clearly, the Roman Catholics do not do the will of God as they won't even keep the basics of the 10 commandments. You guys will argue that it's okay because a priest, who is not God nor holds more authority than God, said that you can disobey God, and it'll be fine. They are who God was talking about in Matthew 7:15
Matthew 7:13-14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
There are 1.8 billion Catholics, but a whole lot less any other denominations.
Lucifer wants to be God, so he persides over the Vatican. Molach is over the Abortion industry, and Baal is over the Middle East. Those are the three we know about.
Babylon sinned against God, and out of Babylon came many nations.
The Vatican sinned against God, and out of the Vatican came many denominations.
In that time, what sin did the Vatican commit, you ask? We already discussed their other sins....
God wants everyone. Not some, not a few, not most, but everyone to be saved. The Catholics refused to have the Bible printed in multiple languages. Even executed those who printed 'pirated' copies. They were also selling spots into Heaven. They still continue to do that today. You can not pay for a soul to go to Heaven. That is 100% dependent on the souls choice. God doesn’t send anyone to Hell. People 100% send themselves.
Lucifer perverted the church just as he did with the world.
If your argument to be a Catholic is "it was the original church," then that's not good enough.
If First means anything, then it means nothing.
If First means anything, then why wasn't Babylon God's chosen people? Babylon was the first nation after the flood.
If First means anything, then why don't the cannanites have control over the promised land?
If First meant anything, then why don't indigenous people all over the world not have control over their own land?
Jesus himself said the First shall be last, and the last shall be First.
If First means anything, then it means nothing.
I didn't judge your church. God already did. All I did was read the Bible and understood it.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
New International Version
4. Love is patient, and love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, and it is not proud.
God is love. Since God is love and can not contridict the Bible (his word), then, therefore, he can not boast.
Catholics in ever Mass in their "Prayer" always say, "True God from True God." That is literally boasting as God has no need to say that. You either believe he is God or you don't. There's no need to boast about him being God.
Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly, they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree can not bring forth evil fruit, and neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Even if you disagree with a few of these you can not disagree with all of them. The Catholic Church has bad fruit. They will be hewn down and cast into eternal fire. The church is to remain sinless. The individuals fight their sin, the church as an entity is to remain Holy. A concept foreign to the Catholic Church.
With All of those Biblical Text proving the Roman Catholics to be a church of Blasphemy I can confidently say: your church is a complete mockery of Christ.
To be fair, you can apply this test to the Mormons, Jahovah Witnesses, and a lot of Methodist church's. Don't want to forget about the TV Prosperity Gospel false church's. Their sins are different, some of them are the same, but the end result shows their fruit is bad too.
@@tripstar3563I will only look at one for now because this is important to talk about. One reason why Protestantism is so weak is because it’s literally based on “I’m filled with the Holy Spirit and I’m right and my opinion trumps someone else who is filled with the Holy Spirit.” It it based on interpretations and many wrong ones at that. The first example you give is the father one. That verse isn’t talking about humans fathers or even priests, it’s talking about a spiritual Father. You aren’t debating in good faith when you isolate scripture and interpret it to your own benefit. Also one question, are all the Catholics before the 1500’s in hell?
@@joshyvert4409 dude, Catholics don't even believe what the Bible says. You'll even add to it to keep your pagan traditions.
Catholicism is blasphemy.
I am watching this video while wearing an orange hoodie. Viva Cristo Rey!
Now go play the lottery,
(unless you have a gambling problem ignore my silly joke and please forgive me.)
Yes keep making latin statements when Jesus was a Jew, for 2000 years your catholic church(antichrist) are trying to remove the Jewish roots
“I want a divorce, let me start my own church”; k……
We Catholics don’t worship Mary fyi.
But let focus on what we have in common, PRAISE JESUS BROTHER!!!!
‘It’s just a name change? That’s it’ I believe this is dishonest, I cannot believe it’s true, maybe he’s going to lead his followers to Catholicism
Try to get Mike’s followers to watch you and him on a debate, so when they hear your side, it’ll open their eyes to things they’ve never heard before
always remember, Luther removed 6 canon books so that he can insert his “sOLa ScRiPtuRA” and he even tried to remove James because of faith without works is dead.
Exactly. and Luther planned on ultimately gutting way more than he did, and it was only the protests (haha) of other reformers who went to him and were like “woah hey Martin, that’s like… a lot scripture. maybe let’s cool it back with the cutting out stuff”
Luther did not do this. I lean Roman Catholic and could become one but this is absolutely falsw
@@Iffmeister You make a fair point that Luther did not 'remove books' from the Bible and Catholics need to be careful with their words.
I have some honest questions for you:
1) Did Luther alter the ordering of the Duterocanon out of the book order being used in the Catholic Church and instead placed these to the back end of the OT?
2) Did Luther use the term 'Apocrypha' to describe those books?
3) If the answers to Q1 and Q2 is 'yes', would you agree this led historically to a de-emphasisation of the Duterocanon?
4) Is it plausible that rebranding a set of writings from 'Duterocanon' (Second Canon) to 'Apocrypha' (which means hidden away, outside of cannon) would lead Christians to believe these writings are false or unacceptable, a belief that is widespread amongst Protestants today?
Absolutely 👏👏👌.Luther 🤦
Really appreciate the response...maybe it would be good if you make a short explanation on the
"NAME Changes" in the whole of scripture OT & NT because maybe they still don't get it...ahaha, God bless your ministry bro and Mother of God pray for us sinners...Amen
Thank you for responding to Matthew 16 with John 1! I was just in a frustrating argument where Peter is named, and then Peter's confession is suddenly interjected [silently!] between the word "this" and "Rock" (which just doesn't scan linguistically -- silently introduce a change in the subject of the sentence -- from Simon Peter to his confession, and then back -- what speaker ever does that?)
No wonder people think the *pope* is confusing! Poor Mike must find *everybody* confusing with silent subject changes dropped in arbitrarily ....
good job my catholic brother
I dont like how mike comes off seems like he has a personal problem with Catholics and his arguments are just him going in circles getting nowhere
He’s very arrogant. I watched a video of him debating Alex and he was snarky, scoffing, and interrupted Alex anytime Alex spoke. Needless to say, Alex won the debate without trying. People who have issues with the Catholic Church are usually insecure in their own belief system.
I feel like if we just shifted the whole approach to explaining the apparitions and revelations of the Virgin Mary everything else would fall in place, but they'll just say it was a demon😂
for real, a demon wouldn’t warn us about things that are happening in the future, and they would instead try to teach a different gospel and deny Gods existence. My mom went to an apparition in Conyers, Georgia. She said it was such a beautiful thing, it was the last public apparition the Virgin Mary had.
Yeah a demon that converted billion of pagans to Christianity lmao
If they are saying that Jesus born of virgin mary is a demon😂😂funny
Catholics are free to say that also.
@@Kitiwake but not like Protestants say stories about😜🤣🤣
So sad how confused Mike is.
I’m sorry. I know you pay “TCM” but I have never found a single argument against Catholicism he presented credible. He is also extremely difficult to listen to, his cadence and tone convey arrogance.
VoR your friend tends to block a lot good tiktok Catholic apologist, the issue with Mike is that when you call him out on his baloney he gets in his feeling and puts on the pussnboots kitty eyes and acts like a victim. He also doesn't let Catholics stitch his videos cause the guy doesn't want to get corrected.
The truth fears no investigation.
I honestly can't believe were still talking about & debating this. The natural read & language used makes it pretty simple to understand, & to help the nonsensical assertions....the Protest came out of the Catholic Church after over 1500 yrs, thats a long time w/ a Supreme Bishop/Papacy, but now w/ the rotten fruit of sola scriptura in the modern self imposed Protest their trying to refute the Historical Prophetically Biblical Christ given authority in the Papacy? C'mon y'all get it together
Well I think you’d have to look into why they “came out of the Catholic Church” the church wasn’t just sitting there and people decided to question them.
If you read into what the church was doing then you would understand sola scriptura. Which is making the Bible “word of God” the ultimate authority. Or just making sure that if someone tells you “It’s okay to be a homosexual and engage in homosexual activity and claim Christ” it says the same thing in the Bible. If it doesn’t then there’s a problem.
@@juancontreras9745 thats just it...I have & the Protest was completely unwarranted & problematic, Luther even said "now there will be as many beliefs & doctrines as heads" knowing his error would be problematic....& look today at the fruit of sola scriptura. Btw, the Church per sacred scripture was given authority & the pillar & foundation of the truth....importantly & exclusively subservient to the sacred text
@@J-PLeigh8409 you do know that Catholicism wether you want to accept it or not has different sects right? Just because you guys don’t acknowledge it doesn’t mean y’all don’t do the same thing. I’m non denom but I’m just pointing it out
@@J-PLeigh8409 show me per scripture where the Catholic Church was given that authority
When Jesus had Peter make a meal of fish on the shoreline: “DO YOU SMELL WHAT THE *ROCK* IS COOKIN”
Peter: “Mike, why do think I’m not the rock?”
Mike: “well, in Jo-“
Peter:”IT DOESN’T MATTER!”
😂😂😂
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣 Hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
When they start saying that it is a joke or that there was no emphasis. U know a little pride has entered. I watched the debate it still came down to this insistence as seen in this video. It is very educative for us Catholics to understand our faith even better. Thanks!
Just a name change….yeah, no big deal.
Christ just changed a guy’s name to Rock. No biggie.
I pray for him.
Abraham started papacy for Israel ? God has changed his name. Catholics likes comparisons but sometimes not 😂
@@jakubwawrzyczek886 he did’n’t change his name to Rock. We are not inconsistent at all. It was a big deal when God changed Abraham’s name. It just wasn’t the context that Christ was in when he changed Simon’s name to Cephas.
The snarky and dismissive emojis aside, I appreciate the question.
Watching new Brother here in the Philippines ❤❤❤❤❤
Can you make a response to the video “Why Eastern Catholicism vindicates Orthodoxy” from the channel Orthodox Kyle? With you being an Eastern Catholic I believe you could easily discuss the claims made in his video.
Beautifully done, God bless
Actually the focus is the TRUTH and the truth is... Jesus founded a Church and that Church is the Catholic Church...
Are you forgetting the Orthodox Church?!?!
@@7KRexCHAT Unfortunately,l the Orthodox churches does not recognize the rock(Peter) of Jesus...
@@7KRexCHATorthodox church is schismatic
@@t.d6379 hahah the orthodox keeps to the early church traditions, catholics differentiated and introduced papal infallibility, sounds more schismatic hence more branching off from the Catholic church
@@7KRexCHAT Lil OrthoBros often say that
Awesome video, you keep it super chill. God bless you and thank you 🙏😊
A nice debate between friends :) 👍
the end was cold, great video man!
Sometimes it seems that the protestant apologists are just being misleading.
Well defended my Brother. Thanks.
this Protestants spreading incorrect information about the true word the Lord. let’s pray for them
Nice video , intresting that people who's only or supreme sorce of faith is bible and still dont know it well
A long time ago (20 or 30 years) an author was being interviewed on KMOX radio, St. Louis, MO. He had just published a book about the attitudes of people in the United States about religion. He had spent three years interviewing people of all faith groups across the country. I remember him saying that there was good news and bad news.
1. The good news was that Catholics and Protestants don't fight about religion any more.
2. The bad news is that nobody knows enough about their own religion, or anyone else's, to BE ABLE to fight about it.
A sound and near effortless defence of the Catholic position.
I just love the way they think they're so right and they know it all! 🤣
Me hubiera encantado haber visto esto antes, claro, la confesión de fe la hacen todos, pero Jesús solo nombra a uno, a Pedro, como la Piedra sobre la que edifica Su Iglesia.
A veces esos influenciadores protestantes se saltan la misma escritura.
Gran video, !Bendiciones!🙏
Jesus giving some of his apostles new names is a beautiful little nod to the Christian concept of being reborn. It's like a new direction, purpose and trajectory.
Whenever God renames an individual it show that he has given him a new mission in live. Renaming Simon to Cephas, rock, and THEN saying you are building your church on this cephas craters the Protestant objection to the church being built on Peter,.
@@bridgefinand the argument that “the rock” refers to his confession of faith and not Peter is some incredible hand waving and unmoored from biblical context (the naming of others).
Like, no one questions when God gives Abraham a new name and tells him I will make you a great nation (Abraham is some derivation of “father”, right?) Maybe God meant something else…
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Yea, I always get suggestions of what Jesus REALLY meant when he said something. They love Scripture....or at least they love how they can make Scripture say what they want it to say.
Excellent work.
God bless you for doing this
Did you really go through 12 minutes of video saying that Jesus called Peter the rock apart from his confession of faith, and then @around 12:30 concede that it was, in fact, Peter’s confession being the rock that makes him the rock, but because the confession can’t happen apart from Peter, it’s actually Peter himself??? What in the world?
The whole problem is that the Catholic Church insists on these verses to prop up everything from papal infallibility to the absolute and exclusive authority of the Catholic Church to “bind and loose”in heaven and earth. Except if you read Matthew 16:19, then read Matthew 18:18, you’ll see that authority to do these things is given to Jesus’s disciples in general. It’s just as likely that the keys of the kingdom of heaven given in Matthew 16 are being given to the church which He had just declared by the steadfast (like a stone) declaration of Peter’s faith, as up to that point no one else had recognized Jesus as the Son of God. Considering the confession of Jesus as Son of the Living God is the actual foundation of all true Christian faith, it seems that that would actually make the most sense, even if Peter was seen as a great (even the greatest) leader of the early Church. Seriously, read Matthew 16 again and you’ll find that just a few verses after his confession, Jesus rebukes Peter as Satan, and says he “savors not the things of God, but of men.” It’s like dude Peter clearly doesn’t get it 😂
Meanwhile you also try to argue that it’s not important for every single thing to be explicit in each gospel, so you understand that John had no need to retell the story of Peter’s confession found in the Synoptics, but take for granted that John is affirming specifically the Catholic narrative. The fact that this is used to prop up the Papacy as a *dogma* to bind all Christians really reveals its true nature as an instrument of worldly control, in my opinion.
How can you justify this apart from trusting the doctrines of men apart from the word of God?
Btw, I’ve got nothing against Catholics, but some of these doctrines really undercut the claims of authority that the Catholic Church makes at its highest levels. Infallible men? Nonsense!
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What does burqeno mean.
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@@cjjabjulanjabjulan5819 A resident of Albuquerque
@lupeloera oh oh okay I was like I didn't know it was like slang word or something lol 😅 😆
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Can you please respond to Kyle the orthodox ? This guy has many videos about Catholics but we don’t have videos responding to hin
Thanks!
Peter is a stone, one of many, that builds up The Church. The Truth revealed from God is the rock. The gates of hell can not prevail against that truth. The Church that is built on top of Faith and Truth.
Having a pope goes against what Jesus stated; to not give a title of father, rabbi, etc. We are all brothers and sisters, servants of Christ.
It's strange how Mike changes the order of Jesus's statement upon Peter's his confession - Mike says this, the confession, is the rock yet Jesus clearly praises his confession, then calls Peter by name and says upon this rock.... Protestants love to add to the Bible when it doesn't square with what they've been falsely taught.
I just found your channel. Thanks for your teaching. Also, your basso profondo voice is amazing. I hope you sing somewhere. 👍🙏
God bless you all
Excellent!
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1 Peter 2:7-8
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Im a protestant but i acknowledge that theres a hierarchy in the church, but the men of God that are higher in authority, may also make mistakes as the ones below, we can see that in Galatians chapter 2 verses 11 to 21, we can see that Peter was wrong in his way of behaving with the gentile believers, and Paul called him out
Acts 15:7; slam dunk! God chose Peter.
good point. and I nevver thought about the others confession. Peter is the Rock. and you are the Rocky Balboa of Catholic Apologists in my book. Yea
Jesus said to Peter, take care of my sheeps ( believers) for it is prophesied by Jesus himself
Protestantism grows based on opinions. No more scholarly, in depth appreciation of what they themselves call “The Word” of God. What makes a perfectly normal person become stupid? Ah! Sola Scriptura.
Some of you love the church more then you love God and defend the church more then you even follow Jesus he asks us to pick up our cross daily but that’s something that can’t really be spoken rather it is to be lived out and felt personally I love all people and I see both sides but when I came to my parents and said hey I encountered Jesus they were happy because they prayed about it often I had this Joy but also this anxiety because I had many strongholds in my life and they made it a point to tell me that I must follow the Catholic Church and that if I start to follow those crazy Protestants that I have a counter-fit Holy Spirit and that I’ll be led toward the wrong way this really troubled me greatly because I had just encountered Jesus and it was a beautiful experience and I had gathered that he just wanted me to follow him and that we will figure out the rest as we go my parents still press me on the matter as much as they can so much so that my walk with Christ has been hindered I prayed for the first time last night and I realized just how much this situation has affected my walk with Jesus this is what the enemy wanted all along he wants us to not get Close to God he loves it when we are far away from him I had a demonic attack last night after I prayed and went to bed because the enemy saw that I’m no longer letting this get in the way of me being close to God seek a relationship with God it’s why Jesus came and died on the cross for all humanity so that we can have that relationship with our father in heaven love and peace be with you all in Jesus mighty name amen 🙏
Within reason of the gift of understanding from the Holy Ghost “ROCK” is misunderstood, avoided or ignored. ” Rock is understood within the narrative of the context of the history of the catholic church as Dogmas Or doctrines accumulated from the first doctrine of St. Peter: “ Thou art Christ, the son of the living God” of the Catholic Church up until 1958. Upon these dogmas, I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, meaning the Dogmas. The gates of hell meaning the heretics, and this is a Dogma.
When a True pope declares a dogma, it has been related in history, that Saint Peter has spoken through that Pope because the Holy Ghost has revealed it to him. Just like the father related it to Saint Peter that Jesus was the son of God.
I am willing to listen, on the subject of faith or prayer, to any person who has faith, esp if they have paid a price for being faithful, and who actually DOES pray. I am not prepared to listen, on the subjects of faith or prayer, to anti-Catholic people who only wish to pick fights and be antagonistic, who ask questions that have been asked and answered a few trillion times. Nor am I am prepared to listen to priests who dont say their prayers, or bikini-wearing nuns who paint their toenails.
Towards the end of the video you stated that Peter was protected by God from teaching anything erroneous. I am curious if you think that Peter was infallible. Peter denied Jesus 3 times and Paul had to "check" him in Galatians 2:11-14. And if you keep reading Matthew 16, Jesus ends up rebuking Peter. Jesus will build his church, and though it is founded on the apostles and the prophets, "Christ Jesus himself is the cornerstone" (Eph 2:20).
Infallibility relates to teaching truth and not to personal activity. All popes are men and therefore sinners. And the rebuke from Jesus was for acting like a human and not like God. No personal sin in that.
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Fun fact: "Kephas" and Caiaphas have the same etymological root. I'm not sure whether this means anything or if it's just a coincidence.
Now debate an orthodox christian about the subject
Peter means Spiritual Father God is with us here on earth 🌍 Matthew 16,17,19
Jesus is God and we are the church.
Some people may think that Peter is not the rock but Jesus had chosen him specifically to look after the followers of Jesus., i.e, Peter to lead the church built on the rock, Jesus as some may think!
You are way more charitable than he is
Me thing that I struggle with being a Christian. And now I'm leaning to Catholicism. Is Because of what Jesus told Peter. And why would Jesus Change his (peter) name to be called rock.
Jesus does not make mistakes and knew what he was doing.
So because of this I'm leaning to Catholicism
Hi man, I love your channel and the way you address things. Now, if there’s a gospel that actually does confirm and highlights Peter’s supremacy is John all along. But he does this in the “Joannican” way. Basically, upon careful examination, John develops what we can call a “Petrology” (some sort of theology based on Peter himself). To give you a hint, John refers to Peter in at least to very specific ways “Peter”, “Simon Peter” and “Simon, son of John”. Each used in different contexts and for different purposes. I would love to provide you with a broader explanation if you allow me.
Jesus named Peter
Jesus named Peter Jesus named Simon: Peter
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Verses Concerning ROCK
"First the Primary Verse the Pope and his followers reference"
Matthew Chapter 16... concerning Peter's confession and how he made it.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
******** And here for everyone the verse pertaining to the Rock.
Psalm 62:6
King James Version
6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defense; I shall not be moved.
Numbers 20:10
And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock?
1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Exodus 17:6
Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.
Luke 6:48
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Isaiah 48:21
And they thirsted not when he led them through the deserts: he caused the waters to flow out of the rock for them: he clave the rock also, and the waters gushed out.
Numbers 20:8
Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink.
Psalms 62:2
He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.
Psalms 92:15
To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.
Psalms 89:26
He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Psalms 94:22
But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.
Deuteronomy 32:37
And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
Romans 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Psalms 105:41
He opened the rock, and the waters gushed out; they ran in the dry places like a river.
2 Samuel 22:2
And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
1 Peter 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Psalms 61:2
From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
Psalms 95:1
O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Psalms 31:3
For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.
Job 14:18
And surely the mountain falling cometh to nought, and the rock is removed out of his place.
Psalms 18:46
The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.
Psalms 18:46
The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.
Psalms 114:8
Which turned the rock into a standing water, the flint into a fountain of waters.
Deuteronomy 32:18
Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Psalms 18:2
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.
Psalms 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
Psalms 78:20
Behold, he smote the rock, that the waters gushed out, and the streams overflowed; can he give bread also? can he provide flesh for his people?
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2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?
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2 Samuel 23:3
The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
Psalms 18:31
For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?
Isaiah 2:10
Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.
Deuteronomy 32:30
How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Psalms 27:5
For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Matthew 7:25
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Proverbs 30:19
The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maid.
Numbers 20:11
And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also.
Exodus 33:22
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
Isaiah 51:1
Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Deuteronomy 8:15
Who led thee through that great and terrible wilderness, wherein were fiery serpents, and scorpions, and drought, where there was no water; who brought thee forth water out of the rock of flint;
Judges 6:26
And build an altar unto the LORD thy God upon the top of this rock, in the ordered place, and take the second bullock, and offer a burnt sacrifice with the wood of the grove which thou shalt cut down.
Deuteronomy 32:15
But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Isaiah 17:10
Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips:
Song of Solomon 2:14
O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.
Mark 15:46
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.
Judges 6:21
Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of his sight.
The amount of effort they need to make to refute this. There's no way that Jesus changes Simon's name to Peter out of some meaningless coincidence.
I am definitely not a Bible expert, but this is what I have trouble with, one person can read the same Bible and understand it one way another person can read that same Bible understand it a different way so never mind the Bible out there the NIV the King James version, the new living translation or whatever but if a lot of people reading the same version, let’s say the king James version and they both have different views or different conclusions or different way of seeing God‘s word that’s what bothers me about religion.
Mike's worst trait, among his other great traits, is he already has his opinion and view and seeks to make the source material fit it instead of accepting what it truly says. He'll also blatantly ignore Scripture that counter his own argument.
What does it mean when you say apostles confession?
Why did Peter stand up to seek the apostle that was go to substitute for Judas?
Who was the first to preach?, when the apostles were filled the whole spirit
Who was the first to make a miracle after Pentecost?
Who was imprisoned after Pentecost?
Who was the first to put, a disciplinary punishment in the church?
Why didJesús Christ only pray for Peter? What happened with the other disciples!!!
Why did Jesús Christ give him the keys of t heaven to Peter?
Why Did; the apostles can't solve a problem about Baptism and, circumcision, and they had to returned to Peter resolved?
Why did Peter, and no the other disciples!!!!!
Facts. Just alone why did Jesus pray only for Peter should be enough to make any Protestant wonder, “why did Jesus do that?”
Jesus is the founder of his church who laid the foundation of his church upon Peter who is the head of Jesus church along with the other apostles who also received full authority and holy Impowerment to FEED AND INSTRUCT THE FLOCK ITS THERE IN THE SCRIPTURES AND SO CLEAR TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND
10:54 Almost like a building needs more than one cornerstone. 😅
It's in the name.
The words, “stone”, “foundation”, “builder”, “shepherd”, and “bishop” are applied to both Jesus and His faithful; therefore nothing stands in the way of the term “Rock” being applied to both Jesus and Peter. God is referred to as a rock in the Old Testament, yet so is Abraham.
St. Augustine describes the rock as Peter, as his confession, as his faith, and as Christ (all four).
Idk who this Protestant is or if he’s really actually smart but he sure doesn’t sound like it. He was just randomly making things up and honestly it sounded like he was panicking and needed to make something up.
great video
At the end of the video you say that Peter is protected from teaching heretical teachings? But what about when Paul rebukes Peter in Gal 2:11-14? Peter was teaching others to disregard the gentiles. He lead and others followed. Would the not be false teaching on his part? Peter was still human and prone to sin and a slave to past prejudices. I’m just curious if what you were saying is that Peter could not be at fault and his followers would be the same. Unsure.
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Curiously, is there any nation or institution founded upon a man or multiple men that didn't/won't eventually collapse? The historical answer is NO. Christ didn't build His church upon a fallible mortal man because if that man were to fall, so would His church. Christ is the Rock as we see many times in Scripture - just a few: Psalm 18:2, Psalm 28:1, 2 Samuel 22, 2 Samuel 22:47 etc.,
Andrew is first called in the gospel of John although Peter was more prominent leader of the equality of the Apostles in the forming of the early church although we don't have everything written down in the total life of the apostles but all that is necessary for our Salvation in Christ our Lord.
Read Pope Peter by Heschmeyer….if papacy is true….we should all be Catholic
It's weird how protestants will argue that the bible's teachings should be taken as an intersection of facts instead of a union of facts.
Similarly, Protestants will talk about "majorities of church fathers" as if popular opinions are automatically correct and less popular ones are automatically wrong. Democracy really is a brain rotting system.
16:01 so what about if they align with Paul. Because Paul didn’t agree with Peter better yet I believe he rebuked him so what exactly does that say?
Peter says that Jesus Christ is the Massive Rock. 1 Peter 2.4-10.
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What about Dr Michael Heisers argument here? That the "rock" here is a reference to Mt Hermon where the "sons of God" conspired to take the daughters of men as wives and produce the Nephilim (Gen 6:1-4)
This is not just a double entendre but a triple, because Dr Mike’s theory can also fit here when speaking of where they were and the spiritual context of the Fallen.
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"Peter, you are rock. Which is completely unrelated and separate from what I'm about to say. Read in a relationship between these two other rocks but not your name which means Rock"
Kidding aside. I've heard that. I've heard about the rock of Pan and a parallel between the name "gates of Hell" and a geographic feature there.
But only Peter is having his name explicitly changed into the meaning of Rock or Stone. The most emphasis in the statement is his change to suit a mission.
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They are related by sound. It's what an alliteration is. Peter (petros) rock (petras). That's the only connection necessary for it to be a pun.
I don't see how you've refuted Dr Heisers view in favor of a Pope Peter view
@@eew8060 I'm not entirely sure what the Dr. Heiser view is. Is the mountain renamed stone or Peter?
I think their issue and this just my opinion is they try to translate from English to Hebrew when original transcripts are written in Greek. Could be wrong as I haven’t watched the whole vid.
Peter also denied christ 3 times
After the resurrection Jesus asked Peter do you love me 3 times and told Peter to take care of his sheep (believers ) making him the leader of his believers