Honda CB1000R VS CB650R Comparison | WORTH AN UPGRADE?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- As a Honda CB650R owner, I jumped at the opportunity to test the CB1000R and shared my thoughts about it in this video in general and also in comparison to my own CB650R.
Find out what I think the CB1000R does well and doesn't do well in this video as I explain the experience of riding the bike for the first time ever.
Thanks to Alex and Honda Big Wing Setapak for letting me test this awesome bike!
Alex Contact Details: +6 014 9331 509
___________________________________________________________________________
0:00 - Intro
0:19 - Riding to the showroom on a CB650R
2:02 - CB650R vs CB1000R Price Comparison
3:09 - Getting on the CB1000R
4:20 - Engine modes
4:48 - Seating position
6:00 - Traffic filtering & u-turn test
7:40 - Enter the freeway
7:50 - Pushing it a bit too hard
8:21 - Power delivery impression
9:18 - Can you cruise with it?
10:58 - Sports mode activated
11:38 - Bouncy suspension feeling
12:12 - Hard acceleration
14:40 - Rain mode activated
15:10 - Who this bike is for?
17:15 - Alex - Big Wing Setapak
17:52 - Back on the CB650R
20:39 - Is it worth the upgrade? 
Авто/Мото
I have the CB1000R with akrapovic. The more you ride it, the more you appreciate it compared to a lot of different bikes. It's a bit of a beast, but gentle.
Those are the exact words “a beast, but gentle”. It makes you feel comfortable but gives you so much performance. I’d love one but it’s a bit expensive for me and I have no discipline on a 1000cc for now haha.
Great content as always, having this good of a reviewer in malaysia is a blessing.
Thank you for your comment you made my day!
Great comparison. Excellent commentary while riding. I have the CB650F 2018. Love it :-)
Thanks for the comment! you have an awesome bike too I see, enjoy the ride and ride safe!
its a gentle beast when you get to know it, and its a beast if you cant control it
Good assessment on both the CBs. Loves them both.
Thanks for your comment! They're both wonderful indeed. Ride safe!
Bro this vid really clears up the air for me. I've been having the thought of getting the 1000 later but its gone now lol. Great vid as always btw
Thanks for the compliment bro! Appreciate it.
It’s too similar IMO but if you can afford it why not it looks better with the bigger rear wheel and single swing arm. The extra power is also pretty good if you feel the 650 is too slow for you. the 650 is plenty good and fun.
U're welcome 👌🏾. Its hard for me to justify the price for the extra features and looks as this bike already looks good as it is. As for the power, might as well get another bike for that purpose imo
I felt that at 13:18 bro haha. That turn at that speed plus the road bumps. 🙌
yea that's quite a bumpy road hence I feel that the 650 has enough power for my own good... need to restrain myself from going too hot into corners.
Great commentary, lovely review
Thank you! Ride safe!
Good content as always bro ;). Love the design of neo sports cafe appearance.
Btw, can you make a video on your camera and mic setup for motovlog?
Thanks!
Thanks for the compliment bro! Yea the design is really cool. Sure I’ll make a video to show my setup later.
Excellent review, I've got the 650 in the UK. You can probably adjust the suspension of the 1000 to make it less bouncy. It was a little scary seeing what it did over a bump in the corner. Keep safe.
Thanks for the compliment! Yea probably a few clicks of the preload will fix the suspension issue. I’m sure after having it setup for my weight will sort it out.
Yea didn’t expect the little wobble but in general the trick is not to fight it when it happens. You too stay safe man!
Thank you for this review. I am looking for a daily commuter as my Honda vfr1200f is too much. Watching you lane split and hearing you decide on the 650 has lead me to know make either the cb650r or the cb919 my third bike. Ride safe
Thanks for the review glad you find it useful. Can’t go wrong with a cb650r hehe. The familiarity with the Honda is just something that can’t be put on paper. Ride safe!
I thought we drive scary here in Macedonia, but you guys are crazy 😂 gave me a few heart attacks watching you drive. Great review, love that you think out loud and you seem objective.
Been thinking about upgrading from my nc750s, I really love the cb1000r, cb650r and the z900rs.
Thx for the upload. Cheers.
Hey buddy thanks for your comment yea I'm not setting a good example really but I'm one of the tame ones on these roads to be honest. There are some real nutters out there out on the regular. I like your choice of upgrade, if you have the means for it go for the CB1000R especially the 2021 its a quality bike but you need to be disciplined cos its really easy to go fast as you can see. The Z900RS is also another nice one if you prefer real classic lines on a bike that has pretty serious performance. I've never ridden it but I have a friend who rides a regular Z900, its FAST!
Best review, lots of love from India.❤ liked and subscribed.
Thank you! You made my day!! Ride safe!
Loved it . 💪
Thank you!!
very good review. I plan to buy my dreambike in 2 months and i am hesitating between honda cb650r and triumph trident. It is so hard to make a decision but my heart pulls to the honda a little bit more. I would see a comparison between these two bikes. I think 1000 cc bike is for people who don`t have to worry about money because it is too much for the roads and streets but people are just attracted to power that is why it is so tempting to have one of those.
Wide road to you all!
Thanks for the comment! Ahh I can imagine my buying decision would be difficult if the trident came out earlier. I rode the street triple and really liked the triple engine I wanted the S but I didn’t like how it looks and maintenance cost is more. Trident seems to have fixed all that.
Yea the 1000 is expensive. The thought of it being an upgrade for me is still in my mind until now I like the single swing arm and the machined aluminium details. altho I don’t think that extra power is good for me 😂
Great comparison! Thinking about the CB650R, too. I’m driving a MT09, but kind of miss the 4cyl.
Thanks for the compliment friend!
Nah you’re already in the Mt09 powerband you’ll miss the power. You should look at the CB1000R to match the power.
I really considered the MT09 it’s a wonderful bike but heard the suspension was a bit soft which can be upgraded eventually. I went with the CB in the end cos of the looks alone.
@@RUBBERNMETAL thank you for the reply. Yes the MT09 is superpowerful in my opinion. I had the CB650F before and the MT09 is even more easy to maneuver in town. But at the same time the CB650F was easier to ride, with a better feeling for the front wheel.
@@clipdev that’s surprising I really need to try the MT09. I’ve also met a guy who bought a CBR650R coming from an MT09 which I found weird (was thinking why did he downgrade?). He told me the Honda is a better experience overall.
How do they feel different?
Nice review bro
Thanks bro!! Appreciate it!
good review. 👍final disclaimer feels like we wanted more power but the heck we just stick around with 90hp and it's already good enough. haha 😄 ✌
more is better but it’s too expensive for the additional benefit that I don’t get to use much. 90hp is plenty enough for what I do haha and too much power is probably not good for me.
@@RUBBERNMETAL feel you there. as fella riding the same cb650r, and tested cb1000r. for a beginner, think i shall stick around with 90bhp for now
Enjoyed that. Honda do make really good bikes
They do indeed make awesome bikes!!
Very interesting test 😉 Do you already have tested the mt07 of Yamaha ? Master of torque 💪👍 Thank you for your test and sorry for my english 🤦🏻♂️
Hey there thanks! No worries your English is good. I really want to test the MT07 but I haven’t got a hold of one yet. It’s great value and lots of fun reckon.
If I didn’t save up enough for the CB650R I would probably have gotten the MT07 instead.
Great video…
Thanks :)
I'll be visiting Canada at some point and I think this is probably what I'll end up hiring for a couple of weeks.
The 1000? How is it?
I think it’s awesome, just a bit too expensive where I live tho.
I went from the cb650r to the cb1000r. What to expect: the same bike with more power.
Pros and cons.
Cb650r pros: maintenance costs, parts and tax cheaper. Fuel efficiency. High quality paintwork.
Cb650r cons: vibrations in the bars at high rpm. Power dip in the mid range. Seat not so comfy for long distance. Metal fixings and clips not treated and prone to rust quickly.
Cb1000r pros : comfier seat. No power dip. Adjustable suspension and power settings. Adjustable gear/ fuel indicator. No vibration. The same nimble beginner friendly feel as the 650r. Sharp brakes.
Cb1000r cons: higher insurance, tax, maintenance costs and parts. Poor quality paint on the wheels (flaking is a common issue).
Awesome to hear your feedback and congrats on your upgrade. I hope you got the latest version 2023/2024 with the slightly different headlight design it looks amazing.
Yea the cb1000r doesn’t vibrate as much at higher rpms which is nice. Unfortunately where I live due to tax from different manufacturing countries the cb1000r is almost 2x the price of a cb650r so it doesn’t justify for me from a price point of view.
Do these have steering dampers as stock? Scary wobble on the curves bro. I have the 650 but also don't think it's a worthy upgrade. Pretty happy with the 650 but the single swing arm and ride by wire features om the 1000 is nice.
No they don’t come with a steering damper as stock unfortunately. Yea me too I love the 650 man but yea the 1000 is better in terms of the finer details. Too expensive for me tho.
Thank you for your review. CB1000R is good as a second bike. CB650 is good as a wife, but sometime you want to visit your mistress, the CB1000R.
You have both?? Did you end up neglecting the 650? Cos the 1000 seems to dominate in all aspects.
@@RUBBERNMETAL I have only the CB650R, which is a great motorcycle. Before the CB I had the Kawasaki Z900 and I wanted to downsize because I thought I don't need a liter bike. I made the rational choice. You don't need a liter bike on the streets, but you want a liter bike in your life.
Great review and comparo. Ive dabbled with buying the 650R after a test ride but I've been smitten by the 1000 and that power and design. Your laughter doesnt help me resist the temptation. 😜 Thanks for sharing this!
Thanks man! Appreciate it! If you can afford it why not go for the 1000 it’s an all round better bike and looks better with the single swing arm and machine finished parts. Unfortunately It’s too expensive for me. I really enjoyed the power tho it’s so good!
lovely 4 cycle. I'm riding ducati scrambler. Next year I wanna buy cb series. U think which one is better, 650 & 1000.
Nice! Which scrambler do you have? I love the 1100 scrambler so full of character.
On the CB, 650 is still nice and powerful enough but maybe won’t be much of an upgrade from your scrambler (if 800). The 1000 is nice, but to me it’s too expensive and I don’t have discipline to ride slowly
The exhaust sounds nice on the 650. Is that the stock exhaust?
Yes the stock exhaust makes a pretty decent sound. Some like the open raspy note but I prefer the smooth stock sound.
If you can find someone to adjust your ECU (emissions control unit) to unlock the speed contol and improve fueling, change the exhaust and replace you brake cables with steel braided and replace your for suspension with adjustable cartridges you can easily have a moto just as good as the CB1000r for far less money. Especially with the Malaysian taxes.
Oooff that’s a lot of things to do and I don’t think it’ll be as good and punchy as a 1000cc tho, no replacement for displacement as they say. But I see your point the cb650r as a blank canvas gives a lot of room for improvement to make it much better.
lucky u. One day i will buy it too
Thank you friend. I hope that you will buy one of these too.
Just found this comparison review.
I live in Thailand and the CB1000R is more than twice the price of the manufactured in Thailand CB650R.
I cannot justify the extra money.
Same situation here in Malaysia the cb1000r is made in japan hence it’s taxed differently. Only get it if you really want it.
Wow, the 650 is expensive there, specially taking into account that it is made right there. In Spain I paid 9100 Eur (9500 USD) for the bike, taxes, Honda Plus (loaner bike for services, GPS tracker, etc), the short wind deflector, the quickshifter and 1 year insurance. Base price is 8200 Eur.
The CB1000R is 14.200 EUR, around 15.000 USD
Yea it’s weird that it’s expensive here especially that wages are way lower here than europe and it’s all assembled in a neighbour country. It’s kind of a luxury item here but still there’s a lot of enthusiasts who buy them.
The prices shown in Europe and US are always better than Asia in general. It’s worse for cars actually haha.
Thanks for this comparison👍
I have also the CB650R 2021 model and i was looking for a cb1000r black edition.
It is amazing but in germany i can only unse the power of the cb1000 on the highway.
Around the city, 95 hp are more then enough.
And i felt that you sit a bit uper or over on the cb1000 and on my cb650r, i am more integrated in my bike.
Also i like the color and the finish from the cb650r engine more.
The gold color of the wheelsa and some enigine parts are so beautiful.
Well, i think i will Keep my cb650r 😄
Stay tuned and many greats from germany.
Totally agree. 650 is beautiful.
Do you also have those maps (rain, normal, sport) in your 650r?
There’s no power modes on the cb650r unfortunately. It’s all in the wrist. But it’s really an easy bike to handle the throttle is new rider friendly. If you give it too much and lose traction the torque control will cut some power as a safety measure.
steering damper might help in the speed wobble
That is true. Or take that as a lesson to ride slower? 😂 good thing the 650 isn’t that quick.
I really don't know what to buy soon, the Cb650r or Cb1000r. I'm used to the power of the BMW R Nine T, any suggestion sir what will I get? I really love the looks of the Cb650r and the performance based on the videos here in youtube most especially if it is already tuned and it can be in the level of thousand cc motorcycles.
Hey bro, you already have a BMW R Nine T, thats already so cool. I rode that bike a few times but a long time ago, it felt very composed and high end in comparison to the Cb650R. Probably you should get the CB1000R.
Power wise I think the CB1000R is higher strung than the R Nine T you’ll feel the increase in power. Yea the CB650R has potential but you’ll probably think it lacks torque since you’re used to the kick coming from the R Nine T... I feel.
Well, I just borrowed it from a friend haha that's why I'm going to get one for myself when I have the money hehe, any thoughts about XSR 900, Kawasaki Z1000r, and Z900rs?
@@vanfelix6697 ahh alright I read wrongly. The xsr900 would be a hard one to miss but it’s expensive here in Malaysia. If the price is close to the CB650R I might have one right now.
Not a fan of the z900rs looks although I heard it’s a great bike. The Z1000 is a bit old I want something reliable for daily. That being said the CB650R is not underpowered, has enough power for most things but if you ride with bigger bikes you have to work it a bit to get some ooomph
Just tried the CBR600RR last night and it was fun, idk what to pick, a brand new Cb650r or a Cbr600rr
@@vanfelix6697 nice. What year did you try? Did you feel it lacks power at lower revs? Altho I love how 600cc can scream at really high rpm, for mostly town use I prefer my Cb650r which is tuned to give more torque at lower revs so you don’t have to work it too hard.
To get the most out of this, I suspect you have to lean forwards (like you'd tuck in on a supersport). That'll help keep that front wheel on the ground.
Probably helps if you lean but if you shock it enough it will still lift being a 1000cc bike. I’ve never successfully power wheelied a bike before, I suspect there’s an anti-wheelie mechanism in my wrist, it just refuses to turn the throttle quick enough.
@@RUBBERNMETAL Yeh, cable throttles teach you to be smooth. I prefer that to power wheelying all the time.
I personally would like to see the power bumped on the 1000 to compete with other hypernakeds, closer to 160-170 HP. And I think the 650 should be bumped to a 750. It already doesn’t compete with other 650’s price wise, and has 20 more horsepower. But the bikes it competes with price wise are much more powerful. Mt-09, z900, and such. A bump to 750 but keeping the same price point would put it right in line with other big middleweight bikes power and price wise. Plus the old cb750 is iconic. A modern version would be a dream bike 😍
I bought a 2020 cb650r and it’s worth the extra money , it’s got way better brakes and chassis the mt07 and 09 is a great motor on a cheap chassis with cheap brakes and suspension.
You get what you pay for and Honda’s are Honda’s....
Yes I had a thought about the 650 being bumped to 750 for later model. I agree 110hp would be perfect to be closer with the MT09, Z900 and Street triple. They can bump the price a little it’s a Honda it will last forever and the build quality is probably better. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen too soon I want to enjoy my 650 for a few years before knowing there’s a more powerful one in the market 😂
@@jamesjensen4696 that is very true the Honda definitely the least powerful at the price level but it feels like a complete bike whereas the Yamaha MT09, Kawasaki Z900 and Triumph Street triple S (those which I considered) came with cheap suspension, axial brakes, black and white screen, etc.
@@jamesjensen4696 I agree with this. But I still feel the bump in displacement is justifiable. A little more power “specifically torque” would be appreciated. And would help it’s sales even more. Why do people pick other 650’s over the Honda? Similar power but much cheaper. Why do people pick othe 750-900’s? Same price but more power. If Honda would bump it up to 750cc. Get the Hp to 105-110. And torque to 55+lbs of torque. It would be an all around better bike than other middle weights with the same amount of power, and people would buy them like crazy. And like I said IT WOULD BE A CB750!!! The thing would sell just for the damn name
If you could do it all over again would you have gotten the 650 or 1000?
If money wasn’t the issue I’d definitely go for the 1000. It’s in almost every way a better bike - looks wise definitely nicer and I didn’t feel like I was on a massive bike hence it’s not intimidating to daily ride it.
However in Malaysia the 1000 costs almost twice the 650, thats too much. So if I had to do it again it would still be the cb650r.
@@RUBBERNMETAL also how are the ergonomics vs the 650? Is there any difference?
@@toofastnobrakes in terms of handle, seat and peg positioning it’s almost exactly the same you’ll feel like you’re on the same bike.
the seat on the 1000 is plush and you’re seated a bit higher. Higher gives you a better view of what’s up front but it’s harder to flatfoot. The 650 seat is a bit harder hence less comfy.
@@RUBBERNMETAL sweet! I’m not to worried about it being taller “I’m really tall” I was actually hoping for that 😅
suspensions are completely
adjustable to your weight
Yea you’re right. Realised that after I got back to the shop. Was too anxious to ride the bike
Battlax suck I’ve had em now I run pirelli angel gt’s
Which Battlax did you have on? The BT or S21/22? First time I heard something negative on Battlax. I ran a set of Angel ST on my old monster previously they were a nightmare but I heard good things about the new ones, will have a look at them.
i have both in family... the upgrade is not worth! the 650r makes more fun!
Lucky you! the 650r is good value and its always fun to ride a bike at it's limit which is hard to do on the 1000r. But that single swing arm and machined parts on the 1000r is just so much nicer.
Seems like everyone says same thing. The suspension too soft. I have the 2022 cb 500f and I can’t complain about it.
Soft could be good in a way if you prefer comfort. The cb650r is a bit uncomfortable for long rides.
I love my cb650r fast enough for me,plus cheaper insurance
It’s a wonderful bike man can’t deny that. Yes a lot cheaper insurance and road tax which is great!
Insurance campur road tax brape boss
@@RUBBERNMETAL hoce li mi bit mal cb 650r visine sam 185cm
Thoughts about having the Cb650r as a first bike? For a beginner
It's my first bike here in the US and I love it, I can't wait until winter is over so I can get back on it. Definitely recommend it for a 1st bike.
@@hampa07 thank you! I'm waiting for the winter to be over here in Canada as well!
Got the 650 for my first bike as well. While the bike is very easy to be ridden and they maneuver really well, unless you got good self control and doesnt get carried away easily then this is bike is kind of too powerful. If given the choice,i'd get a cheap 250/300 to learn and master on before getting on this bike.
@@jayzaki6606 I really like the bike and don't want to upgrade in a season! I believe I got good self control when it come to vehicles!
@@MosesTheExplorer get the 650 then. Its really good you wont regret it. All the best and ride safe!
Cus u got it it standard
Slowly slowly. I’ve got a bit more mods now
Note to self: when going fast on the 1000R, bring spare underwear
Heheh yesss it’s more power than necessary for sure.
@@RUBBERNMETAL I was more worried about that wee speed wobble you noticed. That's just no bueno on a bike that's meant to be squared away.
Bellissima moto molto figaaaaaaa ☺ honda gb mille r
Grazie!!
Peak hp is at 10,500 rpm not 7,500.
Oh man. My bad. Thanks for the correction :)
CB = city bike
That’s right
20k.USD is wsy too much
Yea exactly. The 650 is much more attractive in terms of pricing.
@@RUBBERNMETAL here in Mexico that bike is 13.7k USD is it that expensive there just bc of taxes?
@@2dollarkevin that’s a good price in Mexico, I would definitely consider. Yea the taxes here is not equal. Some bikes are priced reasonably because of where they’re assembled like the CB650R is made in Thailand (ASEAN region) so it’s not that expensive. Thankfully there’s an increasing number of bikes that are manufactured in Thailand nowadays like some Triumph, BMW, Ducati, Harley, Kawasaki, Honda models.
The CB1000R is manufactured in Japan so it gets heavily taxed when it gets here. I also found out recently that the Royal Enfield continental GT 650 is more than double its price here compared to in India, ridiculous.
What do you ride bro?
@@RUBBERNMETAL Dominar 400, I'm considering saving up for either a cb650r or a cruiser like a used HD. 375cc 1 cilinder ends up being boring after a few months haha
@@2dollarkevin that’s cool you have enough power to have fun on a 400, I started on a CBR500R and lasted me 4 years. I understand the want to upgrade the whole time.
A nice set of sticky tires will make it fun if you haven’t changed tires yet.
Cb1000R is not a hypernaked? Omg....with all respect, dedicate yourself to something else brother.
In 2020 standards (when this video was shot) with 200hp naked bikes available definitely not a hyper naked. I’ve ridden smaller engine bikes with more kick, more high strung and more precision. Hey that’s my opinion tho you can have yours too.
Btw what’s wrong with it not being a hyper naked? That’s a good thing. I prefer it that way.
@@RUBBERNMETAL Horsepower does not define a hypernaked, it is define by its power delivery, its torque. Where does it says that a hypernaked has to have more than 200 horsepower? The cb1000r has more acceleration than its sister rr the fireblade in first, second and third gear, and we are talking about a bike that has 218 horsepower. You see, the entire yamaha mt line is considered hypernaked....all of them.. from mt07 to mt10. Check it. Sincerely.