Yes, I produced both of Vinnie's Hot Licks Videos, and this was done in one take, since the guy before him took about 6 hours to not even finish HIS video! Vin is amazing, and we had a blast performing in Finland together!!! Vin is the BEST!
dude i just wanted to thank you for all this. I am left handed and i play regular right handed guitars. its just what always felt natural. so. my smart hand....my left hand...means my legato is just what comes natural and its very easy for me to do the satriani thing. Right hand stuff has always been a challenge. I have developed a few things that work for me. For me...its about the upward angle and edge picking. it unleashed me to a certain degree - I at least have some great right hand runs in my arsenal now. I mean Eric, Micheal B, all those guys have done videos but no one breaks it down like you do. so thanks. best picking teacher ever.
up, down, ROTATE! ... this works so well I don't know what to call it: genius mechanics or magic. 20-30% pick speed increase since coming across your videos 2-3 weeks ago, not to mention much better timing, definition and accuracy. I pick up my guitar each night with a sense of wonder I haven't experienced since... well, ever. I am stunned.
Amazing -- glad to hear it. The full six-note sequence is actually "down up rotate - up down rotate", but the first and last rotations become bigger / smaller depending on whether your overall bias is toward upward or downward pickslanting. Crazy right? Thanks for watching!
***** I think it wasn't until the second or third viewing of the seminar that I fully realized rotating every third pickstroke -- regardless of context -- would let me jump between arbitrary threes anywhere on the fretboard (including staying on the same string for any multiple of 3 before moving to another string). Not as efficient as "rotating only where required", but requires almost no thinking once you've locked in the "rocking" motion. I'm starting to wonder if this is part of why Paul Gilbert has such a neutral default slant. Also, I'll have to look at the seminar again, but while it gets implied in a few places, I don't think you ever demonstrate the explicit culmination of two-way pick slanting into a straight 3nps scale. Apologies if it's there and I've just overlooked it.
You are exactly correct about the full-time rotation -- good observation. It is a type of chunking that lets you switch off your brain as far as remembering when rotation needs to happen. This sometimes means you might use it even when it is technically not necessary, like Paul does in the sixes lick -- which is technically an even-numbered sequence and not a two-way lick at all. I call this "redundant" two-way pickslanting. Note that it only really works if you always play in units of three, which can be somewhat limiting but it's a cool observation nevertheless. The full six-string scale is Chapter 9!
@@troygrady Troy I've only just picked up on your picking analysis videos. Have you ever given Eddie's trademark 'Spanish Fly' ascending sixes this kind of attention in any of your videos? There's some light and very heavy accenting going on which is very hard to get right consistently. Would love to hear an analysis from you on the mechanics of what is going on here.
Jezuz H Krizt! 29 Years ago the BBC News here in Britain had a feature on the opening up of Russia to the west and showed that Pepsi advert which was hilarious as it had a Russian voiceover. I recorded it and still have it somewhere. That lick was just the f*ck'in zenith of electric guitar. Now, I sit here in my mid 40s, haven't played for a week or two, I see this video, grab a guitar and can play it right away at speed. Man, you're an angel of something!!! :D
Troy, your videos are always so on point and informative; between you and Ben Eller I can say I've learned more about the guitar in the past 6 months than the past 6 years. Definitely subscribing to Masters in Mechanics; really excited to take my playing further and there is simply no competition to this incredible resource you've created.
have to agree!! this is the most thorough analysis of picking (not just this video, all your videos) I've seen. It's so true , those instructional videos of yesteryear were great for learning licks but terrible for learning picking. Your hand position completely changes when you play slow. I remember getting 'Rock Discipline' by John Petrucci and you can see his picking completely changes slow vs fast .. although at the time I just assumed his slow picking style (if copied) would allow fast picking when you speed that up .... suppose that's like saying if you walk faster you will be able to run, but all you achieve is walking fast. It's the same with picking, they are two different techniques
Many years ago I read an interview with Vinnie Moore where he said that for one of his instructional videos, for reasons I cannot recall, he only had 65 minutes to record the 60 minute instructional video. Management considered canceling the recording, but Vinnie recorded it anyway. In 60 minutes he only made one mistake that had to be re-shot, so 65 minutes was more than enough time..
+seltersss They filmed in NYC. I read an interview with him that it was last minute scheduling thing and he had to catch the last train back to Delaware out of the city otherwise he would've been stuck.. If you watch the entire video, he keeps peeping up above the camera...he's watching the clock on the back wall
Yeah this was for his first instructional video. If you watch the whole thing he keeps peeping at the clock, and the camera only jump-cuts once, toward the end of the video. Seems like enough evidence to me haha
@@troygrady It's TRUE....I Produced and owned Hot Licks video, and that day we did his video, the person before him literally ate up about 7 hours, making a completely worthless video! Then, poor Vinnie had one hour to make his train, and he came thru with flying colors!! Vin's the best!
I've watched about 20 of your vids at this point. You are the best kungfu teacher!! Why isn't this on discovery channel????!!!!! Keep up the awesome work! Thanks for helping me open my eyes...
can't tell you how many times I watched this Reh video and the Gilbert one "licks,licks,licks" takes me back....and Thank you for all you've revealed. These videos and players caused a lot of appreciation and angst that I will never forget...lol! THANKS TROY!
It's so great to see such an in depth analysis and respect for Vinnie. He was one of my biggest influences when I was young and still find his playing breathtaking. You describe everything exactly the way I think of it which is reassuring to hear! I've seen a few of your videos now and they are all incredibly thorough. Thanks Troy!
Y'know, I played guitar for like ten years, and reached a limit I couldn't come across. And now, thanks to your videos, I know what's going on! It's the damn picking!!! So many years neglecting the right hand...thanks man, you're truly great
Your lessons have changed my life, Troy; like you mentioned in one of your other videos, I spent years jamming around and not processing. Your videos have made me really look at the intricacies of my playing and I'm starting to see real development. I 'understand' my hands more! J
I love you man! Lots of RUclips videos just don't approach the picking. And i can't understand why they skip such an important part of the learning process. Thank you and keep up the amazing work!
I was always amazed an Vinnies use of his pinky for all his playing especially his end phase bends, as if he trained it to be as strong as all the others!
frozencons Exactly right. It's really easy with a little practice. It's a nightmare to do with just the pinky and not a healthy thing to be attempting.
Troy, Thanks for sharing your insights and sparking memory lane for me. I began playing in about 1984, and so much of this stuff takes me back. I have always tried emulating how my favorite players played to figure out what they were doing both in terms of phrasing and physical technique. I still do it today. Too bad we weren't neighbors as kids, we would've had a blast together. I still have many of the old VCR guitar videos including Vinnie Moore"s two tapes. Thanks again!
I've been watching your cracking the code videos, and l remember that in the 80's at the end of all those instructional videos l always felt like "Something is missing". Thanks for posting your talent and knowledge.
This video was great, I had an easier time comprehending the right hand picking jargon. It's starting to make more sense. And it's pretty awesome how you use old videos from a bygone era as the learning tools behind your technical exposition. Lotsa fun!
Thanks Troy for another great video. As you pointed out, for the fast picking Vinnie obviously uses an elbow picking motion with a stiff wrist here. What baffles me about this is that later on in the same instructional video he plays the 'Paul Gilbert' lick (not even sure if Paul's 1st video was even out then already, actually I guess Vinnie got this lick from Al DiMeola) and he uses the exact same elbow picking motion for that lick with perfect precision, cleanliness and very high speed. I never understood how he could jump to the high e-string for just that one note and immediately come back to the b-string right after at this speed using this elbow picking movement. It's incredible to me. And Vinnie Moore is an example of how refined, precise and well-working the elbow picking movement an be even for changing between strings often.
Absolutely fantastic analysis Troy. I spent forever trying to figure out why I couldn't alternate pick the first descending run in Morning Star by Vinnie Moore - turns out I needed to discover Upward Pickslanting. Thank you so much for all you do for the guitar community!
The fact that you shift your pick to a minutely increased slant every pick stroke is an indication of extremely accurate technique. 6:12 extremely precise.
Really interesting that great guitarists have talked about having trouble with inside picking (Petrucci) or avoiding it whenever possible (Gilbert), but Vinnie seems to have no problem with it. And when you apply the pickslanting principles, it doesn't feel awkward at all. To me it feels about the same whether you play it like Vinnie or start on an upstroke and play it with primarily downward pickslanting.
Very awesome lessons. I always try to decode the mechanics of players as well. its kind of the true secret behind playing all these licks in the instructional vids.
Rodrigo Ferro Amazing! I didn't know that. That little riff breakdown before the solo in "New Girl Now" is so tasty. They don't write 'em like that any more.
I actually ran into the guys from Honeymoon Suite at a local theater in Chicago back then and I told Derry in front of the other two guys that were there how great those licks were from the Pepsi ad. The other two guys busted out laughing, so he fessed up and said, to his credit "nah that wasn't me, that was Vinnie Moore" That's how I discovered Vinnie Moore...So ironic to see this here. not a lot of people are even aware to this day that was Vinnie playing. I didnt even remember him saying that in the instructional vid. I only watched the intro, over and over and over...
79lpcustom why would they hire a professional guitar player (Derry) to shoot the commercial, but not actually record the overdub? He was a good guitar player, and that line of descending 6s while climbing the modes up the neck is pretty familiar to any recording guitar player. Even I can play it to speed. That first Honeymoon Suite album made Derry more money than Vinnie had ever made on any one project. Derry is STILL spending that money. Their second album did well, too. So, I wonder how that whole scenario came about? Why not just use Vinnie for the shoot?
Thanks Troy for uploading the video moore vinnie 6 notes down , I practiced hard four months that lick and could not find a way to touch accurately, yesterday put into practice this rotation that typical samples in the video and I could get play it well
Poor Vinnie can only dream of having a Bouffant like this again. Vinnie was ,to my ears much more musical than Yngwie.His version of Bach "April Sky" and "While My guitar gently weeps" are masterpieces.He more recent stuff is more bluesy but then again he is restricted by the confines of keeping true to the sound of UFO. Troy,dude,you are blowing my mind with your work.After nearly losing my fretting hand 5 years ago,I can only wait for the nerves to heal before I can play this stuff again.I play it slowly as it is good physical therapy for the hand.After a few minutes I can really feel the burn.
No way! Roy already had every kind of sound you could have. If there was a player who didn't need to punch up his technique any futher, it was definitely Roy.
@@arlenroth8373 I know, I believe you! I just meant, he sounded great already. This was a guy who already had all the chops, and not someone where I think "Yeah, that guy should buy some lessons!"
Troy,this video is just ......I am speechless.And words at the end,the truth.It is nice for me to know that you appreciate Vinnie Moore,becuse I think the same way.Maybe you can remember what Guitar Player magazine written about him.OK, he can play,but he can write instrumental songs that really make sense,too.He does have compositional skills, as opposite to many other players.And you know what?He is doing just fine these days.His latest album "To The Core" is the best one he recorded so far.Cheers.
Whats crazy is the guitar player in the Commercial is Gerry Grehan from Honeymoon Suite - I always wondered how he felt about 'pretending' to play Vinnies part.
This video is really in depth . It is documented here to use as Paul Gilbert says "inside" picking Descending 6 notes 3 nps starting on a Down. Vinnie and MAB use the upward pick slant in this case to go from the E to the B and a Down pick slant to go back to the E from the B I have MAB Speed Lives and Speed Kills . MAB would show "inside" picking THEN would show "outside" starting with an Up pick . Both at the exact same speed Mike also plays alternate picked riffs with economy picking at the exact same speed to show the difference in tone . the tone of the pick attack is slightly different . My point is this "Pepsi" lick could be played at the same speed starting on an Up pick as well . It all depends on the slant . I would normally do this starting with an UP, but i tried it the way Troy does it , and low and behold, it is the same, as long as there is the Down Up rotate thumb bump is there .
Thanks Troy for posting I am an upward pick slanter and found this very helpful It feels less awkward to only involve downward pick slanting for that split second that is need to transition to the next string although when I do the Paul Gilbert lick I do start on an upstroke which feels ok but I still really on the one way most of the time Thanks again like you said when I watch videos of myself your right in the fact that the wrist tilt is harder to spot I have a tendency of using both wrist an elbow so maybe that's why I do upward pick slanting as well witch keeps the wrist in a more neutral position parallel with the elbow Ok enough rambling
I had this video! I practiced through it and tried to play at at age 16, and have been working on picking like Vinnie Moore ever since. Still I’m no where near his level decades later.
I actually bought that video when it came out, and knew instinctively that he did not fully comprehend what he was doing in the right hand. I even saw him at a guitar clinic. By the way, this presentation by Troy is superb. Young people today have a huge advantage of having access to this detailed video explanation on technique. All we had back in the 70s was a vinyl record and a phonograph needle. Thanks Troy!
This is the first video I ever got and the first lick I ever spent all my waking hours practicing after only playing a for a few months when I was 18! College girlfriend did not appreciate my Vinnie Moore video, haha!
been playing since 5. I learned the pick 45 degree angle from playing. I also use a forefinger rotation on my picking finger and lesson the arm movement. :)
thank you it was very helpful!!!.. my picking technique never been the best , mayb coz' I'm a lefty playing standard ..I have to improve control and pick dynamics .. thank u for the class!!!
Troy, I am a huge fan of all your videos! Have you ever thought about doing a video on Dann Huff's technique? Hes got great picking technique which seems like a combination of alternate and economy picking. He's one of my favorite players and often very overlooked!
Back when those videos came out in late 80's, I went thru all this same thing. I used to turn my palm inwards so I could play like that because I could never get the inside picked licks, and noticed those guys that had their hand like that could. and I'd emulate those Vinnie and Dimeola type runs, then I'd turn it out because I'd see Yngwie do that because of the more aggressive sound and was easier to pick the strings on the outside as my hand had more room. I ended up just saying screw it and do my own thing. Guitarists should try to find their own style, and no one can play everything. It was the best lesson I learned that day.
Somehow UP, DOWN UP ( switch string ) DOWN, UP DOWN (switch string ) and I am twice as fast and accurate! I find the string change ending on a DOWN from B to E much easier than the string change you guys do ending on DOWN from E to B string. The string change from E to B on the DOWN is very distance inefficient. Then again, ending on a down with no more strings to accidentally hit on the E is safer than my DOWN on the B string that wants to bang back into the E
Well I think then you are a downward pick slanter with short upward pick slanting moments to overcome the two way pick slanting needed to accomplish the run
As long as you do "down up rotate " You could start on an Up or a Down and go between the two techniques at the exact same tempo ! This video is great! I would normally start this with a up down rotate But i tried it down up rotate and it works . To see it displayed on the MAB video Conquering the Scale is a real eye opener.
Even with the pick slanting. I still can't really play this stuff that fast. My hands just lock up after a certain speed and things become sloppy. It is very fascinating that you did not use a metronome to work this up to speed. I really cannot imagine how one can do this without a metronome.
RetroBytesTV Metronomes are fine tools -- I use a click all the time in the studio. But if you're referring to two-way pickslanting, that's about learning specific hand movements, and this is simply not what metronomes do. Moreover, I do the vast majority of that "new movement" type of practice at moderate speeds, not super fast ones. If something feels weird as you move from your easy comfort zone to faster speeds, that's an indication that either the form is changing, or it simply wasn't right to begin with. It's almost never a timing or speed concern, per se. And most important of all: is one-way pickslanting fast, clean, comfortable, and totally second nature? Because if not, that's the place to start. I spent ten years doing nothing but this and it was an invaluable platform that, like riding a bike, never goes away.
Some great chord voicings at the end of his excerpt there. Some major 7th, minor 7th, dom 13th voicings. Good stuff! Sounds like he also practiced a bit of jazz. Lots of the intervalic skips in his soloing are reminiscent to stuff played by sax players like Dexter Gordon. Not sure if Vinnie went to school for music, but a lot of those guys ended up learning some jazz theory, especially Berklee players. They are pretty basic chords though but anyone know about Vinnie's background before making it big?
+OnSugarHill As far as I know, Vinnie used to be a student of Nick Bucci, who himself was the student of the great Pat Martino, so he learned alot of jazz licks from his teacher.
Sounds like it in parts, but this was a few years before Mr. Scary. Maybe George saw the commercial, or maybe it was just similar writing for a similar era of musical style. Both great players!
I find when I try to upgrade my techniques to something new that someone says is more proficient, I tend to lose track of what feels more natural to me. We all have similar human hands, but our muscles, nerves, and finger shapes all differ. There is no one single technique that works best for every player, only what works best for you. I was once a student of Vinnie, he taught me many amazing things, but I never analyzed the angle or position in which he held his pick,. I was always more of a thumb, pendulum picker. It's kind of like holding a pencil between the thumb and first finger while drawing small circles, very fast. I have always tried to learn other techniques, such as wrist waiving, and steep angled rotation, but the circle flatpicking is what I always resort back to for simplicity and muscle memory. Grady makes some great videos with his iphone holder, but if you notice, every guitarist he features presents a slightly different approach. So just go with what feels more natural to you. And by all means, experiment with other styles, but only master what works best for you, individually. By the way... Vinnie Moore kicks ASS!!! So check out moore of his music.
Can anyone clarify the following: is upward/downward pick slanting when the tip of the pick points upwards/downwards or when the knuckles of the pick hand point upwards/downwards? And does "on the way up/down" in relation to pick slanting refer to an ascending/descending pattern or to physically moving up/down the strings?
As enlightening as it all is, I still have one problem with learning this: whats the best place to start? Would you recomend "mastering" the two string PG lick first, then something on three, then four strings etc? Also I am so very curious if you'll ever pick up on some incredible Jason Becker playing? Cheers and thanks for saving my sanity already! John
Yes, I produced both of Vinnie's Hot Licks Videos, and this was done in one take, since the guy before him took about 6 hours to not even finish HIS video! Vin is amazing, and we had a blast performing in Finland together!!! Vin is the BEST!
That’s brilliant 👏👏 🤘
who was the guy before him?
@@sixslinger9951 Kenwood Dennard!
@@arlenroth8373 thought you were going to say Vinnie Vincent. Lol
I remember Arlen Roth. You are a legend!
dude i just wanted to thank you for all this. I am left handed and i play regular right handed guitars. its just what always felt natural. so. my smart hand....my left hand...means my legato is just what comes natural and its very easy for me to do the satriani thing. Right hand stuff has always been a challenge. I have developed a few things that work for me. For me...its about the upward angle and edge picking. it unleashed me to a certain degree - I at least have some great right hand runs in my arsenal now. I mean Eric, Micheal B, all those guys have done videos but no one breaks it down like you do. so thanks. best picking teacher ever.
micheal angelo batio is also left handed but plays right and so do I. i had to work extra hard to get my picking hand goin
+Fonzo Hernandez Steve |Morse and Kiko Loureiro too
and Vinnie Moore is another lefty playing right handed guitar!
The guitar playing is amazing, but the hair is amazinger.
Mike Doolittle lmfaoooooooooooooo. Facts
well played sir....
I feel that the technical term for that hair is *bigly*. :D :D
education is important, but playing guitar is importanter
up, down, ROTATE! ... this works so well I don't know what to call it: genius mechanics or magic. 20-30% pick speed increase since coming across your videos 2-3 weeks ago, not to mention much better timing, definition and accuracy. I pick up my guitar each night with a sense of wonder I haven't experienced since... well, ever. I am stunned.
Amazing -- glad to hear it. The full six-note sequence is actually "down up rotate - up down rotate", but the first and last rotations become bigger / smaller depending on whether your overall bias is toward upward or downward pickslanting. Crazy right? Thanks for watching!
***** I think it wasn't until the second or third viewing of the seminar that I fully realized rotating every third pickstroke -- regardless of context -- would let me jump between arbitrary threes anywhere on the fretboard (including staying on the same string for any multiple of 3 before moving to another string). Not as efficient as "rotating only where required", but requires almost no thinking once you've locked in the "rocking" motion. I'm starting to wonder if this is part of why Paul Gilbert has such a neutral default slant. Also, I'll have to look at the seminar again, but while it gets implied in a few places, I don't think you ever demonstrate the explicit culmination of two-way pick slanting into a straight 3nps scale. Apologies if it's there and I've just overlooked it.
You are exactly correct about the full-time rotation -- good observation. It is a type of chunking that lets you switch off your brain as far as remembering when rotation needs to happen. This sometimes means you might use it even when it is technically not necessary, like Paul does in the sixes lick -- which is technically an even-numbered sequence and not a two-way lick at all. I call this "redundant" two-way pickslanting. Note that it only really works if you always play in units of three, which can be somewhat limiting but it's a cool observation nevertheless.
The full six-string scale is Chapter 9!
@@troygrady
Troy I've only just picked up on your picking analysis videos.
Have you ever given Eddie's trademark 'Spanish Fly' ascending sixes this kind of attention in any of your videos?
There's some light and very heavy accenting going on which is very hard to get right consistently.
Would love to hear an analysis from you on the mechanics of what is going on here.
Jezuz H Krizt! 29 Years ago the BBC News here in Britain had a feature on the opening up of Russia to the west and showed that Pepsi advert which was hilarious as it had a Russian voiceover. I recorded it and still have it somewhere.
That lick was just the f*ck'in zenith of electric guitar. Now, I sit here in my mid 40s, haven't played for a week or two, I see this video, grab a guitar and can play it right away at speed. Man, you're an angel of something!!! :D
Cool! Vinnie's web site mentions the Russia connection. That's a bit of history there.
Troy, your videos are always so on point and informative; between you and Ben Eller I can say I've learned more about the guitar in the past 6 months than the past 6 years.
Definitely subscribing to Masters in Mechanics; really excited to take my playing further and there is simply no competition to this incredible resource you've created.
have to agree!! this is the most thorough analysis of picking (not just this video, all your videos) I've seen. It's so true , those instructional videos of yesteryear were great for learning licks but terrible for learning picking. Your hand position completely changes when you play slow.
I remember getting 'Rock Discipline' by John Petrucci and you can see his picking completely changes slow vs fast .. although at the time I just assumed his slow picking style (if copied) would allow fast picking when you speed that up .... suppose that's like saying if you walk faster you will be able to run, but all you achieve is walking fast. It's the same with picking, they are two different techniques
I actually like that you compared slow picking vs fast picking to walking vs running. That actually makes alot of sense.
i love when you laugh at your own dad jokes
Many years ago I read an interview with Vinnie Moore where he said that for one of his instructional videos, for reasons I cannot recall, he only had 65 minutes to record the 60 minute instructional video. Management considered canceling the recording, but Vinnie recorded it anyway. In 60 minutes he only made one mistake that had to be re-shot, so 65 minutes was more than enough time..
I've heard this. It's an amazing story and given his talents, I don't doubt it's true!
+seltersss They filmed in NYC. I read an interview with him that it was last minute scheduling thing and he had to catch the last train back to Delaware out of the city otherwise he would've been stuck.. If you watch the entire video, he keeps peeping up above the camera...he's watching the clock on the back wall
Yeah this was for his first instructional video. If you watch the whole thing he keeps peeping at the clock, and the camera only jump-cuts once, toward the end of the video. Seems like enough evidence to me haha
seltersss goat 🐐
@@troygrady It's TRUE....I Produced and owned Hot Licks video, and that day we did his video, the person before him literally ate up about 7 hours, making a completely worthless video! Then, poor Vinnie had one hour to make his train, and he came thru with flying colors!! Vin's the best!
man, you are the indiana jones of guitar playing, keep going i love your vids man.
Amazing 😄'..
I have the honor to meet legendary Vinnie Moore while rehearsal in UFO Wilmington Delaware.
after playing for 30 years, you've changed my life. thank you.
I've watched about 20 of your vids at this point. You are the best kungfu teacher!! Why isn't this on discovery channel????!!!!! Keep up the awesome work! Thanks for helping me open my eyes...
can't tell you how many times I watched this Reh video and the Gilbert one "licks,licks,licks" takes me back....and Thank you for all you've revealed. These videos and players caused a lot of appreciation and angst that I will never forget...lol! THANKS TROY!
Been with Vinnie since Vicious Rumors his music saved my life. Vinnie is one of my hero's
love this dude,hes like a lawyer who can get u off a dwi but hes a rock god as well.
It's so great to see such an in depth analysis and respect for Vinnie. He was one of my biggest influences when I was young and still find his playing breathtaking. You describe everything exactly the way I think of it which is reassuring to hear! I've seen a few of your videos now and they are all incredibly thorough. Thanks Troy!
Y'know, I played guitar for like ten years, and reached a limit I couldn't come across. And now, thanks to your videos, I know what's going on! It's the damn picking!!! So many years neglecting the right hand...thanks man, you're truly great
Thanks Troy, Vinnie was one of my influences growing up. Time Odyssey is a great record. Rock on man..
Your lessons have changed my life, Troy; like you mentioned in one of your other videos, I spent years jamming around and not processing. Your videos have made me really look at the intricacies of my playing and I'm starting to see real development. I 'understand' my hands more! J
The VinMan owns all!
Troy, your vids are really great!
I love you man! Lots of RUclips videos just don't approach the picking. And i can't understand why they skip such an important part of the learning process. Thank you and keep up the amazing work!
Thanks Alessandro!
You have changed my life. All I can say man. Incredible work.
I was always amazed an Vinnies use of his pinky for all his playing especially his end phase bends, as if he trained it to be as strong as all the others!
It looks like he's using the other three to help support the bend. Give it a shot, you'll probably get used to it quicker than you think.
frozencons
Exactly right. It's really easy with a little practice. It's a nightmare to do with just the pinky and not a healthy thing to be attempting.
Another Brilliant, highly-articulated analysis by Troy Grady, ESPECIALLY the last 30 seconds!
Troy, Thanks for sharing your insights and sparking memory lane for me. I began playing in about 1984, and so much of this stuff takes me back. I have always tried emulating how my favorite players played to figure out what they were doing both in terms of phrasing and physical technique. I still do it today.
Too bad we weren't neighbors as kids, we would've had a blast together. I still have many of the old VCR guitar videos including Vinnie Moore"s two tapes.
Thanks again!
Greetings from Germany. Great videos. Thanks so much for your work in this analysis.
Vinnie moore has so much taste it's absolutely incredible.
I've been watching your cracking the code videos, and l remember that in the 80's at the end of all those instructional videos l always felt like "Something is missing". Thanks for posting your talent and knowledge.
The dynamics is in the details..... you do a great job at pointing them out...... thanks from an old newbie
This video was great, I had an easier time comprehending the right hand picking jargon. It's starting to make more sense. And it's pretty awesome how you use old videos from a bygone era as the learning tools behind your technical exposition. Lotsa fun!
Thanks Troy for another great video. As you pointed out, for the fast picking Vinnie obviously uses an elbow picking motion with a stiff wrist here. What baffles me about this is that later on in the same instructional video he plays the 'Paul Gilbert' lick (not even sure if Paul's 1st video was even out then already, actually I guess Vinnie got this lick from Al DiMeola) and he uses the exact same elbow picking motion for that lick with perfect precision, cleanliness and very high speed. I never understood how he could jump to the high e-string for just that one note and immediately come back to the b-string right after at this speed using this elbow picking movement. It's incredible to me. And Vinnie Moore is an example of how refined, precise and well-working the elbow picking movement an be even for changing between strings often.
Absolutely fantastic analysis Troy. I spent forever trying to figure out why I couldn't alternate pick the first descending run in Morning Star by Vinnie Moore - turns out I needed to discover Upward Pickslanting. Thank you so much for all you do for the guitar community!
The fact that you shift your pick to a minutely increased slant every pick stroke is an indication of extremely accurate technique.
6:12 extremely precise.
Really interesting that great guitarists have talked about having trouble with inside picking (Petrucci) or avoiding it whenever possible (Gilbert), but Vinnie seems to have no problem with it. And when you apply the pickslanting principles, it doesn't feel awkward at all. To me it feels about the same whether you play it like Vinnie or start on an upstroke and play it with primarily downward pickslanting.
Everything comes natural imo. I didnt even know i used economy untill i few years ago ,i have just been using what works for me.
Very awesome lessons.
I always try to decode the mechanics of players as well.
its kind of the true secret behind playing all these licks in the instructional vids.
Crazy how he can take something so simple and ubiquitous and give it a flavor that distinguishes it from everyone else.
ohh shit... I'm old enough to remember that Pepsi lick
Crazy how long we've all been doing this, right?
The Pepsi riff is Mr Scary
I couldn't possibly thank you enough for this.
The guy who does the (over)acting is Derry Grehan, the guitar player for Honeymoon Suite.
Rodrigo Ferro Amazing! I didn't know that. That little riff breakdown before the solo in "New Girl Now" is so tasty. They don't write 'em like that any more.
You have lots of free time on your hands, God bless.
Absolutely fantastic research and analysis.
The guy acting as the guitar player is Derry Grehan from Honeymoon Suite- not a bad player in his own rite.
I actually ran into the guys from Honeymoon Suite at a local theater in Chicago back then and I told Derry in front of the other two guys that were there how great those licks were from the Pepsi ad. The other two guys busted out laughing, so he fessed up and said, to his credit "nah that wasn't me, that was Vinnie Moore" That's how I discovered Vinnie Moore...So ironic to see this here. not a lot of people are even aware to this day that was Vinnie playing. I didnt even remember him saying that in the instructional vid. I only watched the intro, over and over and over...
Bingo! Guitar trivia that many people just don't know. I liked Honeymoon Suite. Good Canadian band.
79lpcustom
why would they hire a professional guitar player (Derry) to shoot the commercial, but not actually record the overdub?
He was a good guitar player, and that line of descending 6s while climbing the modes up the neck is pretty familiar to any recording guitar player. Even I can play it to speed.
That first Honeymoon Suite album made Derry more money than Vinnie had ever made on any one project.
Derry is STILL spending that money.
Their second album did well, too.
So, I wonder how that whole scenario came about? Why not just use Vinnie for the shoot?
I absolute love their song “Lost and Found”
The Guitar riff Vinnie is playing in the Pepsi commercial is Mr Scary by George Lynch
Thanks Troy for uploading the video moore vinnie 6 notes down , I practiced hard four months that lick and could not find a way to touch accurately, yesterday put into practice this rotation that typical samples in the video and I could get play it well
finally. a name for what i've been doing all my life... thanks!
Prague rock!
best lesson , and vinnie one of the best 80s metal players
Poor Vinnie can only dream of having a Bouffant like this again.
Vinnie was ,to my ears much more musical than Yngwie.His version of Bach "April Sky" and "While My guitar gently weeps" are masterpieces.He more recent stuff is more bluesy but then again he is restricted by the confines of keeping true to the sound of UFO.
Troy,dude,you are blowing my mind with your work.After nearly losing my fretting hand 5 years ago,I can only wait for the nerves to heal before I can play this stuff again.I play it slowly as it is good physical therapy for the hand.After a few minutes I can really feel the burn.
Vinnie's economy in both hands was extraordinary. True classical form.
Wow! I've never saw a 'neck camera' so close to the right hand during picking! Great work!
The “mullet guy“ hired out to do the acting is Derry Grehan. The guitarist for Honeymoon Suite. A very good guitarist in his own right.
Shit I thought he looked familiar
Troy your vids, playing and teaching are top notch!
Thanks!
I'll also never forget when none other than ROY BUCHANAN ordered this video for himself on our Hot Licks answering machine!
No way! Roy already had every kind of sound you could have. If there was a player who didn't need to punch up his technique any futher, it was definitely Roy.
@@troygrady wrong...he ordered it, and said send it to "Judy Buchanan"
@@arlenroth8373 I know, I believe you! I just meant, he sounded great already. This was a guy who already had all the chops, and not someone where I think "Yeah, that guy should buy some lessons!"
@@troygrady we all know that, but he wanted that speed......we all want to get better......!
@@arlenroth8373 True! That's why he's an all-time great - the greats never stop learning.
troy you are awesome! there aren't words brother.I love you man.I bought the Eric Johnson masters in mechanics seminar--BEST MONEY I EVER SPENT--
+Arnon Burns dont know why a line went through it it really was best $ ever spent
Troy,this video is just ......I am speechless.And words at the end,the truth.It is nice for me to know that you appreciate Vinnie Moore,becuse I think the same way.Maybe you can remember what Guitar Player magazine written about him.OK, he can play,but he can write instrumental songs that really make sense,too.He does have compositional
skills, as opposite to many other players.And you know what?He is doing just fine these
days.His latest album "To The Core" is the best one he recorded so far.Cheers.
212 bpm 32nd notes, both Vinnie and Troy. Mad props!
Mr. Grady, you broke the code. Thank you!
Whats crazy is the guitar player in the Commercial is Gerry Grehan from Honeymoon Suite - I always wondered how he felt about 'pretending' to play Vinnies part.
This video is really in depth .
It is documented here to use as Paul Gilbert says "inside" picking
Descending 6 notes 3 nps starting on a Down.
Vinnie and MAB use the upward pick slant in this case to go from the E to the B and a Down pick slant to go back to the E from the B
I have MAB Speed Lives and Speed Kills . MAB would show "inside" picking THEN would show "outside" starting with an Up pick .
Both at the exact same speed
Mike also plays alternate picked riffs with economy picking at the exact same speed to show the difference in tone . the tone of the pick attack is slightly different .
My point is this "Pepsi" lick could be played at the same speed starting on an Up pick as well .
It all depends on the slant .
I would normally do this starting with an UP, but i tried it the way Troy does it , and low and behold, it is the same, as long as there is the Down Up rotate thumb bump is there .
Man I miss them 80s hair doos! lol! Outstanding lesson Vinnie now I got to get back to shredding!
Descending 6's will open all your soft drinks! That's too funny!
Thanks Troy for posting
I am an upward pick slanter and found this very helpful
It feels less awkward to only involve downward pick slanting for that split second that is need to transition to the next string although when I do the Paul Gilbert lick I do start on an upstroke which feels ok but I still really on the one way most of the time
Thanks again like you said when I watch videos of myself your right in the fact that the wrist tilt is harder to spot I have a tendency of using both wrist an elbow so maybe that's why I do upward pick slanting as well witch keeps the wrist in a more neutral position parallel with the elbow
Ok enough rambling
I had this video! I practiced through it and tried to play at at age 16, and have been working on picking like Vinnie Moore ever since. Still I’m no where near his level decades later.
I actually bought that video when it came out, and knew instinctively that he did not fully comprehend what he was doing in the right hand. I even saw him at a guitar clinic. By the way, this presentation by Troy is superb. Young people today have a huge advantage of having access to this detailed video explanation on technique. All we had back in the 70s was a vinyl record and a phonograph needle. Thanks Troy!
This is the first video I ever got and the first lick I ever spent all my waking hours practicing after only playing a for a few months when I was 18! College girlfriend did not appreciate my Vinnie Moore video, haha!
1:57 Does anyone know for sure which Carvin model is that?
At 4:22 the tab says 10-8-7 on the e and 10-8-6 on the b string, but it looks like he is playing 10-8-7 on the b string.
Nowadays people should decode also Troy's picking: I notice that sometimes a rest-stroke is present not only going down (ala gypsy style) but up :)
never in my 35 years of playing and listening to neo stuff, Vinnie being my favorite, have i ever heard of pick slanting...
Vinnie is the man!!!
I love yngwie and i always thought he was the best until i heard vinnie
I think in 87'or 88'
Great stuff!
been playing since 5. I learned the pick 45 degree angle from playing. I also use a forefinger rotation on my picking finger and lesson the arm movement. :)
thank you it was very helpful!!!.. my picking technique never been the best , mayb coz' I'm a lefty playing standard ..I have to improve control and pick dynamics .. thank u for the class!!!
Troy, I am a huge fan of all your videos! Have you ever thought about doing a video on Dann Huff's technique? Hes got great picking technique which seems like a combination of alternate and economy picking. He's one of my favorite players and often very overlooked!
bro i love how your dad haircut moves ever so slightly when you play guitar
Back when those videos came out in late 80's, I went thru all this same thing. I used to turn my palm inwards so I could play like that because I could never get the inside picked licks, and noticed those guys that had their hand like that could. and I'd emulate those Vinnie and Dimeola type runs, then I'd turn it out because I'd see Yngwie do that because of the more aggressive sound and was easier to pick the strings on the outside as my hand had more room. I ended up just saying screw it and do my own thing. Guitarists should try to find their own style, and no one can play everything. It was the best lesson I learned that day.
Explanation very good!
still remember walking into a record store and seeing mind's eye in the 80s , new release
blew me away
Somehow UP, DOWN UP ( switch string ) DOWN, UP DOWN (switch string ) and I am twice as fast and accurate!
I find the string change ending on a DOWN from B to E much easier than the string change you guys do ending on DOWN from E to B string. The string change from E to B on the DOWN is very distance inefficient. Then again, ending on a down with no more strings to accidentally hit on the E is safer than my DOWN on the B string that wants to bang back into the E
Well I think then you are a downward pick slanter with short upward pick slanting moments to overcome the two way pick slanting needed to accomplish the run
I like the line that in the second 35 to 40
As long as you do "down up rotate "
You could start on an Up or a Down and go between the two techniques at the exact same tempo !
This video is great! I would normally start this with a up down rotate
But i tried it down up rotate and it works .
To see it displayed on the MAB video Conquering the Scale is a real eye opener.
Even with the pick slanting. I still can't really play this stuff that fast. My hands just lock up after a certain speed and things become sloppy. It is very fascinating that you did not use a metronome to work this up to speed. I really cannot imagine how one can do this without a metronome.
RetroBytesTV Metronomes are fine tools -- I use a click all the time in the studio. But if you're referring to two-way pickslanting, that's about learning specific hand movements, and this is simply not what metronomes do. Moreover, I do the vast majority of that "new movement" type of practice at moderate speeds, not super fast ones. If something feels weird as you move from your easy comfort zone to faster speeds, that's an indication that either the form is changing, or it simply wasn't right to begin with. It's almost never a timing or speed concern, per se. And most important of all: is one-way pickslanting fast, clean, comfortable, and totally second nature? Because if not, that's the place to start. I spent ten years doing nothing but this and it was an invaluable platform that, like riding a bike, never goes away.
Some great chord voicings at the end of his excerpt there. Some major 7th, minor 7th, dom 13th voicings. Good stuff! Sounds like he also practiced a bit of jazz. Lots of the intervalic skips in his soloing are reminiscent to stuff played by sax players like Dexter Gordon. Not sure if Vinnie went to school for music, but a lot of those guys ended up learning some jazz theory, especially Berklee players. They are pretty basic chords though but anyone know about Vinnie's background before making it big?
+OnSugarHill As far as I know, Vinnie used to be a student of Nick Bucci, who himself was the student of the great Pat Martino, so he learned alot of jazz licks from his teacher.
Thanks for the info! Very cool
Hails Vinnie Moore 🔥🔥🔥
Troy is studying all these legends and I'm just trying to play as good as Troy
Aim higher! Ha
In the pepsi commercial it sounds like he's playing the main riff of Mr Scary.
When you realize that the Pepsi commercial is probably what inspired Lynch to write the Mr. Scary riff..... #mindblown
I really dig your guitartone, what gear do you use? im really curious
Great tone on this video Troy. Any chance you can give us your signal path?
I was watching Vinnie's playing. why am I watching this guy now.
The Guitar riff Vinnie is playing in the Pepsi commercial is Mr Scary by George Lynch
Sounds like it in parts, but this was a few years before Mr. Scary. Maybe George saw the commercial, or maybe it was just similar writing for a similar era of musical style. Both great players!
I find when I try to upgrade my techniques to something new that someone says is more proficient, I tend to lose track of what feels more natural to me. We all have similar human hands, but our muscles, nerves, and finger shapes all differ. There is no one single technique that works best for every player, only what works best for you. I was once a student of Vinnie, he taught me many amazing things, but I never analyzed the angle or position in which he held his pick,. I was always more of a thumb, pendulum picker. It's kind of like holding a pencil between the thumb and first finger while drawing small circles, very fast. I have always tried to learn other techniques, such as wrist waiving, and steep angled rotation, but the circle flatpicking is what I always resort back to for simplicity and muscle memory. Grady makes some great videos with his iphone holder, but if you notice, every guitarist he features presents a slightly different approach. So just go with what feels more natural to you. And by all means, experiment with other styles, but only master what works best for you, individually.
By the way... Vinnie Moore kicks ASS!!! So check out moore of his music.
Ted Cabana why did you have to put that joke at the end, god damnit😅
@@yonikup2865 Sorry, I joke about everything. But true to my words.
Vinnie's one of those guys who is instantly identifiable just by his note bends.
great video!!
I've always wondered about of one thing. Troy, can you explain this: 0:28
Interesting...I'd like to see what you have to say about Vernon Reid's mechanics. It seems similar with the motion from the elbow.
I find it amazing that Vinnie Moore, Shawn Lane, Michael Batio, and Steve Morse are all natural lefties that play right handed.
Kiko Loureiro too.
Can anyone clarify the following: is upward/downward pick slanting when the tip of the pick points upwards/downwards or when the knuckles of the pick hand point upwards/downwards? And does "on the way up/down" in relation to pick slanting refer to an ascending/descending pattern or to physically moving up/down the strings?
Hi! Here's a recent blog post we did that should help clarify: troygrady.com/2015/01/08/the-difference-between-pickslanting-and-edge-picking/
lukedeacon o.
As enlightening as it all is, I still have one problem with learning this: whats the best place to start?
Would you recomend "mastering" the two string PG lick first, then something on three, then four strings etc?
Also I am so very curious if you'll ever pick up on some incredible Jason Becker playing?
Cheers and thanks for saving my sanity already!
John
please tell me where to find this video school in the same cool quality?🤔