Installing PEX Pipe for InFloor RADIANT HEAT at Our OFF-GRID Tiny HOUSE in the WOODS
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- Installing PEX Pipe for InFloor RADIANT HEAT at Our OFF-GRID Tiny HOUSE in the WOODS
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Al. Before you pour concrete. While you have all the Plex radiant heat pipes exposed. Lay some tape measures down, fly your drone directly above the pad and take a series of photographs. This will give you scaled images (this is how photographers create scaled/ reference documents), you can use during the building processes, if plex location needs to be determined post the floor being down.
Nothing like hitting a heating water line while framing up the walls
An absolute must for any farther problems. Then you will know exactly where the tubing is.
Always a good reference to have. Grid photography for crash investigation! Can always go back and measure to scale!
Great idea!! 💡 👍
@@stevealldred4424 The grid is the right idea. However in this case they don't need to draw one on because the Lego block foam board has set distances between the nubs. Therefore all that is missing is the distance markers long the length and the width of the grid so the image can be mapped to the physical floor. If you then know the distance from the edge of the pad to the first row of nubs, and how far the rows of nubs are apart, you'll be able to scale the grid from the image later pretty easily.
Good morning! Thursday coffee club break from gardening.
Gooooood Morning. Coffee is good this morning.
Howdy Ger - thanks for the java!
Good morning Ger! 😃🐶👍🏾
Good morning!
Good morning!
Good Morning Al, Gina,Olivia 😘💚🇯🇲
Morning, Evening to all on the OGP.
AL, as Grandpa would say."Belt and Braces."
Good morning Anna have a blessed day 🙏
👋 Have a good one!
Howdy Anna! Good evening to you!
One step closer to being at the OGP full time. Enjoyed Gina talking about running the pex lines. Glad she is getting more comfortable doing that.
Since you asked, I would definitely plan for long term and get a boiler sized for all future needs. No sense in skinning a cat twice. Have a blessed week Lumnah family.
On a long term project like this put your complete heat and air system in from the start. Over size for future expansion now will pay off big in the future. Always build for slightly larger than you need to have some wiggle room and not overload the system. What you do today will effect and determine your future.
When I was a kid we made from scratch a Hassa log boiler and 60 years later it is still supplying all the heat, (for water and air) needed in the mountains of Washington to a huge lodge home with less than a third of the wood of a normal system. Hassas use sand and baffles to capture all the flue heat so only room temperature exhaust exits the system. Write me if you want more information.
We had a Hassa also at a plumbing company i worked for years ago. Great system.
Send them an e-mail just in case they do not see your comment. Their e-mail address is in the *About* section.
Can you send us an email
When you pour your concrete dont start at the outside edges.
Start your pour on the green boards and work out to the edges.
This way the concrete holds the foam down so concrete doent go under it.
Hope this helps you. Roy.
Al, that was a brilliant idea with the rebar and wood block to temporarily support your pex lines and sweep elbows. As a professional builder myself, I’m always interested in how people come up with solutions to difficult problems. Also, was very Skeptical about the spray foam working to glue those edges down, but it really worked well. Great job.
Hardwares ... spray foam is sticky as hell so good idea. My first thought was using 50 penny spikes to hold the boards down but this may work better. As for supporting the PEX, I'm not sure I would have used rebar but I certainly would have those elbows supported about an inch from the outside wall so they could eventually be secured to the finished wall. Each heating tube also needs to be marked as supply or return so the flow goes the way you want. Drawing out a route / plan of the pipes first would have saved a lot of zip ties. There's no good reason this can't be done without crossing pipes over each other.
Good morning I love it great job Al 👍
Good morning Al, Gina & Olivia, what ever you do, remember, ALL of US are with YOU !!!!
Gina, that’s such a good idea to roast two chickens every week. Love the time savings on that. Always fun to see you prepare a dish. Thank you!
i also love the meals... great job gina
I swear that footing is bigger than the floor area of the house I live in ! tiny house indeed !
Gooood morning Al, Gina, Olivia and the whole gang...Top of the morning everyone!!
Gooooood Morning. Max
Howdy Mr. G!
@@samvalentine3206 Howdy Sam!
Good morning Mr G! 👍🏻
@@samvalentine3206 HAY SAM. How are you? We have two solid days of 🌧️ RAIN.
Always planning ahead, aye Al? I so enjoy your videos.....you have no idea. Living here in China makes your stuff that much more interesting. I’m actually jealous cause you have such a great co-worker..... work water lines all day then go home and prepare a nice meal for the family! Very good, my absolute favorite......can’t hardly wait for your videos.... 😊
Good morning billstev100 where do you live in China? I live in acton maine
@@ryanhoward1013 Good evening from China Ryan. I live in a lovely city in the north named Dalian. It’s very different than the US to say the least, but this is a very nice place to live. City living if you get my drift, over 7 million people. 😳
In case any are interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalian
Great idea about using an outdoor boiler and sizing it to accommodate other buildings.
Greetings fellow Lumnahs! Wishing you all the best of health, wealth and happiness now and forever!
Good morning Sam! Now that is a great greeting Sam, just saying! 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤟🏻🙂☕️🌅
Gooooood Morning. Sam
Good morning!
Wow ,Sam Love the wake up greetings from you.💚🐓🇯🇲
Howdy howdy Sam!
I think with the harsh winters y’all get you can never be overboard! After all, it’s not like you can ever get to that area again once building is completed. Good job!
Slab on a drained gravel site has been done since Frank Lloyd Wright. My house was built in 1972 like that in upstate NY, just like many others. No problems.
I love watching you plan and work. You are amazing.
Good morning, Al and Gina. It warms my heart watching you two working together. You both have the pioneering spirit that this great country was founded on. I pray God continues to bless your sweet family as you build your dream! It’s great waking up with the Lumnahs!!! Makes my day.
Good far thinking in your plans. Excellent prep work 👍
Goooood moooorrrnnning Al, Gina and Olivia fellow Viewers and all my friends. Hoodie from Jamaica 🇯🇲🙏
Gooooood Morning. Jamaica
@@LumnahAcres Thank you Al. Looking forward to the concrete pour
Howdy Amigo Lloyd!
Good morning my friend Lloyd from Jamaica 🇯🇲 🇯🇲 🙏🏻
Good morning!
i'm in the north Ga mountains and it's 46 degrees this morning.....i'm all for the radiant heat.... Gina, love the Pocahontas braids, yes we notice
11:00 indeed!
Love when you get to eat from the garden.
Good Morning Everybody from Enniskillen, Ireland.
Howdy Earl Tony!
Gooooood Morning. Ireland
Good morning Tony hopefully you are having a great day
@@samvalentine3206 Good Morning Sam.
I love how you two work so well together.. Team Work Makes the Dream Work!!
We had radiant heat in a home we owned and we loved it. If you don't want to purchase the outdoor boiler just yet you could heat this small building with a small propane fired water heater. It doesn't take a lot of heat once you get the slab warm.
Don't listen to most people, your doing a fine job !
Best programming on television.
Hey hey Ray....agree!
When you said you wanted the heat to go to the outside wall first but thought youd laid the pex incorrectly: No problem at all, when installing the feed push the hot water down what you currently think is the return line, REVERSE the flow, ergo it goes to outside wall first.
my first thought was to run it from the outside in, and when Al mentioned it, I thought he would pick it up and change it. He can also use separate valves to send heat where they want it.
I was thinking that too. Unless he meant he wanted to ring around both outside walls first. ???
I always learn something new from your family channel
Good Morning Al, Gina and Olivia
Hey AL, When you connect your tubing to your manifold, be sure to connect "Input" or HOT LINE to the tubing on outside walls first. Inside walls will end up being return lines.
MARK THE CORRECT CONNECTORS NOW with a sharpie.
Good morning Lumnah family, great planning for radiant heating especially leaving your food cellar section without heat.
We don’t use much heating in the floors here in Az. Lol.👍😎
One of my favorite RUclips families
Yes finish all the heat now for pump house you will have allot to do later on!! Good work Stay blessed!!
A water barrier needs to be 100% complete, surprised a sheet of plastic wasn’t laid before the foam PEX sheets… all those joins will let water through especially as your land has a water table basically at the surface… good perimeter drainage is a must now but I personally wouldn’t rely on that. Guess we will see if damp is an issue.
Standard under any slab in Australia
@@colinstace1758 Standard under any slab in in the United States too
As well as termite spray
@@garymixson687 in Australia, as long as the slab edge is above grade it doesn't need termite spray 👍
Here in Florida all home slabs must be sprayed...but we have more bugs than most as well as subterranean termites that eat through concrete to get to a food source
Good morning from Wexford Ireland 🇮🇪🇮🇪
Howdy Annette!
Gooooood Morning.
Good morning Annette! 🐶😃👍🏾
Good morning Annette
Do what best for you AL, it's your house 🏠 GOD BLESS.
I like the way your doing it. The idea of having the floor warm especially in the bathroom is great. With raiders along the walls leaves the center of the room cold.
Al, you and Gina do a great job! This isn’t your first Rodeo! Thank you for taking us along!
Hey Al and Gina, Y’all need to invest in wireless microphones. It’s really hard to hear you when you’re away from your camera.
I can hear them perfectly! Check your equipment!
Rode wireless GO II... DUAL Channel..$300 + -
@@broman9216 EXCELLENT idea! These Røde mics have been proven over and over and over and over. I'll bet they would be so happy with the grand results they get from having better quality videos because the audio is better quality. I taught digital videography for many years at the university and I found that, if the audio levels are correct, the viewer of the video will never notice. But, if the audio is off, the viewer has to either strain from insufficient audio level or wince when the audio is too much or distorted or is overdriven. Yep, get those wireless mics and never look back.
@@tonygrimes13 my equipment is good! I said what I said!
You did what works, just another suggestion for the radiant runs. Put all the return lines in one 90 and all the outgoing lines in the other.
If I was doing it, I would go ahead and do the outdoor boiler now. It's looking great. God bless.
before the concrete is poured take series of photos of where the pex pipe is running for when you lay walls etc, you'll have a good idea of what's under-neath and how much clearance you have, cheers great vids
You wouldn't be AL if you didn't go overboard . GOOD JOB POP
Very wise choice to spray foam and set rocks to prevent concrete from going UNDER your foam!!! Everything is coming along nicely for sure.
You are doing a great job love ❤️ watching you all xx
Wow Al you really hitting it
You know what Al….as many years as I’ve been watching your builds….just ignore the comments….you put it huge amounts of research and planning before you pull the trigger so you just build…we’ll keep watching, enjoying and learning!! Over and out!!
Always a lot of *"I would have"* or *"You should have"* comments!!! Al & Gina do their research. Even after explaining why they do something e.g. about slab in this video, the *Keyboard Warriors* still make comments!!! Sometimes I wonder if they have actually watched & listened to the video!!!
Al has said many time that hew welcomes the comments. He never claims to know everything and is not arrogant. An example that a certain person should take note of.
Goooooood morning Lumnahs!!!!
Gooooood Morning. Ray
Good morning Ray! ☕️🌅
Love the channel keep up the good work you guys! Your property is awesome!
Overboard? Nah, I've always enjoyed your attention to detail!
You'll never regret using PEX in your floor. I keep my garage at55 and it's very comfortable to work in even on the coldest days.
I love the reference to Matthew 6:34
A little pre work is great peace of mind😊😊
There you go it's getting there can't wait to see the concrete getting poured good job guys happy for u guys 👏 👍👍🍻
Just as a suggestion, when you build your water supple manifold try using 2" Ts glued together. One T for each line then using reducers for your supply to each line... TTT something like that...that gives you a good even distribution to each line.
The best part about it is you know who built it and knows more about the job than anyone else
Wow and now I just heard you say that you are going to put in an outside boiler system-fantastic!
You may consider filling the pex with RV antifreeze before pouring concrete. Have seen pex float to the top of slab before. That makes for a bad day.
It's clipped to the "waffle" plastic stuff
Plus the rebar and screen should be on top to hold everything down... just in case any pesky pex slips out of it's holders on the green foam system - Crete-Heat
Good morning Lumnah's and friends. Well, I think fall is in full bloom here in Omaha with temps down at night in the 40's and day breezes that have that nice cool bite to them. Love it! I hope everyone has a nice Autumn day today!
Good morning Omaha David! 😃🐶👍🏾
Gooooood Morning. Yup fall is here.
Howdy David!
@@TheKamakuraGardener Hello Robert! After I get done watching this video I am going to go watch another great video, yours! 👍🏻👏🏻
@@samvalentine3206 Hello Sam 👍🏻👏🏻
I think they call the approach your suggesting future proofing. Anything I can do now to help out tomorrow gets a thumbs up from me.
Al, there's been new tips and tricks that no one has thought of. If it works, Atta boy! If not... always a lesson to learn. I never worry about negative people. But like my tote mega failure for a holding tank underground... we live and learn everyday
Good morning Lumnuh family & Critters, Happy Fall Y'all... Always look forward to the days that y'all have a video out!! It's getting more exciting with each video on the OGP. I hope that y'all have a blessed day!
Howdy Angel77762!
Good morning Angel 😇👍🏻
Gooooood Morning.
@@samvalentine3206 Good morning Sam!
@@Heisstrong Good morning He is strong!
Good morning/evening to everyone around the world watching the Lumnah Family on the Lumnah Acres channel! Greetings from Kamakura, Japan! 🇯🇵 I hope the first week of autumn is going well for you all! I hope the Lumnah’s can pour the concrete soon, before it starts getting cold 🥶 🍁🍁! 😃🐶👍🏾
Howdy Robert!
Gooooood Morning. Japan Happy fall
@@samvalentine3206 Good morning Sam! 😃🐶👍🏾
@@LumnahAcres 😃🐶👍🏾
AWESOME JOB, JUST AWESOME 👍🏻🙏👍🏻🙏
I like the floor heating system idea and I like that you said nearly everything for meals was coming from your farm.
Slab on grade construction is fine. I did my 14x24 shed slab on grade. I've parked cars, trucks, and tractors in it and no cracks. The only difference I have is the use of so much sand. A 2B base with a fines/stone dust to level the heat crete installation. Too close to the toilet with the pex and you might melt your wax seat out.
I thought that too. But wax rings are old school. Fernco makes a heavy non wax ring, no fuss no muss. No worries
What temperature do you expect they will run in the pex system? 110 f average if designed correctly.
@@tommourick4046 ... if they put in enough tubing the floor temp can be as low as 75 - 85 degrees, with water temps maybe 10 degrees higher than that. Wax rings should be ok to at least 130 degrees.
I love seeing all your own food go into dinner.
I really like your idea of a larger outdoor boiler to be in a "power house" area where you can run lines to any new structure. This is the same idea I have for my next "retirement" property. I agree, over size it for what you think you need now, but if you build a "power house" around it, then consider making the structure large enough to double your boiler in the future should you want to add on with other barns, hatchery areas, etc. Make enough zones so you can run hatchery areas for chicks but off or low idle in winter when you are not planning for chicks.
Love watching this series on the mini-house. It give me learning so I don't repeat any mistakes or take advise to ""do it different" or "do it better" you make during this build, when I decided to do my build in a few years.
As the saying goes, "“Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
― Otto von Bismarck
Great series and Gina is one heck of a worker! Gina you rock girl!
You are So Smart!! Wow a Boiler!! Very Cool!! You Guys are Amazing!! God Bless and have a Wonderful Day!!! 😀⚘❤
Good morning Lumnahs and friends. Pretty sure you got this unless it involves a nail gun lol 😆.
Gooooood Morning.
Howdy Lisa!
@@LumnahAcres morning Al Gina Olivia and babies.
@@samvalentine3206 morning Sam.
Good morning Lisa! ☕️🌅
I would have zoned it to run off different thermostats, that way if it ever changes purposes you still have the availability of heat
David is right. At the LEAST two zones .
Each room should have it's own zone, especially the bedroom, it allows you to customize the temps for any given room this way... It makes for quite the manifold setup I can tell you & it requires more circulating pumps as well I believe... Al & Gina are apparently keeping it as simple as possible & it does keep the costs under control as well...The Tiny House will have a constant temperature from room to room with only the ( 2) zones. This will also be a learning curve before they do radiant in the eventual full size home...I believe the animals inside the house will be searching out the coolest places to lay down also, hence the pantry room?
Bill on the Hill... :~)
@@billonthehill9984 - Not sure if there will be any heat on the 2nd floor which shares the floor system...
Not big enough to worry about it.
@@jeffmiller234 I would normally say the same thing with that size of building , but because their is two distinct sections, and they spaced piping to lower heat in one area because of equipment heating. I just think it would be beneficial , more control.
I didn't know you could cross the pipes like that. Totally fascinated by the 'Lego' sheets.
Good morning everyone! Nice 61 degrees in South Texas this morning .
Gooooood Morning. Texas
Howdy Frances - 74°F here, 89% humidity in Long Island, NY
Good morning Frances! 🌅☕️
Morning, The Granite Group in Littleton will design the pex layout for free. Next time give Gina a rubber mallet to snap the pex into place
Al, I am sure glad you knew what you were doing laying down the apex pipe! I would have messed it up big time! ha As for the comments you are getting on how you are doing the foundation, there is a Nebraska saying, " since a cat has nine lives, there is more than one way to skin one! " Your way works Al, and you are comfortable doing it your way, so people need to move on about it!
in Italy we have another one: who knows, does, who doesn't know, speaks (criticism)
@@Ale55andr082 I like it! 👍🏻
@@Ale55andr082 - A wise saying indeed!
Al your mind just keeps on working, it is a wonderful gift to have, God bless you big 🙏
I think you are right about getting the boiler now but with having off grid power I would also have a wood stove in the buildings that have to have heat.
overboard al but thats why we love you
Good morning 🌞
Gooooood Morning. Michigan
Howdy Kevin!
@@samvalentine3206 Hi Sam!
Good morning Michigan!
@@Heisstrong good morning!
A nice warm floor in the tiny house so nice. Who doesn't want warm feet!
Go big with the boiler now. It is not like they are going to come down in price if you wait. Nice work going on there. Be safe.
Good job out there, You should really think about closing the pex ends with something like tape or plugs.
I love it that you know what you're doing because I'm definitely going along for the ride at this point. I'm completely lost when it comes to radiant floor heating, although I've loved the idea since I walked barefoot in winter on my first floor with radiant heat. Everything you set your mind to comes out great, though, so it's exciting to watch you guys work. And thanks to Gina for the meal ideas! You'd probably be surprised how often I cook a similar version to what you three are having.
Good morning everyone....💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Howdy Cocoadiva!
After you both finished the PEX, I was thinking you and Gina should jump in your pond to celebrate and cool down! I know I've written it before, but I absolutely love how you both work so well together!
Gina ... love the cooking part of your videos.
The nice thing with a hot water setup is you can have several different sources heating the water for you from solar thermal to a compost pile to a propane boiler or a wood fired boiler letting you get heat into the system.
If you don't care you can make yourself a hot compost pile using 10 parts wood chips to 1 part manure with pipes inside to capture the heat then just a large amount of soil or insulation/straw bails covering it to let it run all winter long giving you heat with just a circulation pump and a temp controller to not steal too much heat off the pile so it freezes up. No fuel needed as you build the property so no having to stop every so often to refuel the boiler. The best part is you have a huge pile of compost after the heating season is done as this would be tons of wood chips and manure needed.
Very interesting concept. A homestead produces so much material that could be used.
Or use the heat from the compost to pre heat the water before it hits the boiler. And in extremely cold weather the recirculating warm water would stop the compost pile from freezing.
That's a great 💡 idea about the compost pile as a heat source. I'm just about to rake up my apple tree leaves and I'm building a wooden greenhouse structure this winter. The pecs floor heating sounds like a great addition. I was already planning on some Thermal mass cooling for summer we had over 60 days above 100 this summer in Sacramento, CA. I can easily add thermal mass heating of a water filled pecs system as I have solar power to run the pump for circulation.
This is a brilliant idea and one I'd do in a heartbeat if I was in a position to do so. I like the idea of geothermal heat, and this is similar - just using a different media.
Overboard for one person is taking precautions for another. If it makes you sleep better then it’s not overboard.
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I agree 100% with you Al, there’s nothing wrong with the way you’re doing your foundation. Here in the U.K., we’ve been building all of our castles and houses (barring the odd few) this way ie with concrete bases and they have all stood the test of time. Your new home will be sturdy and strong.
Just love 💘 your cooking.
If you can put in the big boiler now, do it. It is always easier to have the things you want from the beginning than to add them later.
Definitely overboard. But certainly more fun to watch. It's not my money nor my time so I'll just relax and enjoy. Keep doing what you want, as always. Good luck!
The more he goes overboard the funnier it is to watch.
@@Still.In.Saigon 🤣
The funniest thing about this channel, is seeing all of you immature, ignorant, and jealous people making fools of yourselves! 😁
What an awesome job Gina, helping with the laying of the Pex piping. Al you are so lucky to have such a great helper.
I think you’re spot on with the heating ideas!! GO FOR IT!!
I like the pex foam board you are using. Make it easier. The Floating slap method for the floor is not unheard of. We've used it up here in Canada lots of times. And some of those buildings are 40 years old or more. The one thing that we did and I'm sure you are to is put wire mesh as well as rebar. That way if it does crack the steel will help keep it all together.
Agree with the wire mesh and re-bar in the slab B.P. Lucky Al is not building in Australia, the gravel would have to be sprayed/drenched with pesticides to stop white ants and borers, plastic PVC as a DPC (damp proof course) under the slab, no foam under thickened floor beams, must be on solid ground, no cross over of pec piping and piping tied to the reinforcing mesh, chairs under mesh to hold the mesh up off the foam. This would all have to be inspected whether in urban or rural situations, for compliance and future insurance. Different codes, ordnances and controls for different countries around the world. Cheers.
I see you said that people were having an issue with the way you're doing you're doing your slab and frankly it doesn't matter what other people think it is a bit different because a lot of us that live in the North haven't seen that type of slab done that way before and I've done a few of them myself and we always try to get down below the frost line but if it works that way that's great that's why I'm watching to learn something new so keep doing it the way you know that's going to work it doesn't matter what other people are saying
it does matter. that's why he's on utube. they may or may not be right, but it matters.
It does not matter he must be doing something right he has past every inspection so far so if it is wrong who is it going to effect only al not u I think people will always find something to criticise others for but they need to go do it I think he is doing amazing job
@@bazstone8885 the only inspection he discussed was for the leach field, i think in rural areas inspections are not needed
@@bazstone8885 It does matter! why?
Because he's ASKING for our opinion.
No one is perfect at anything they do. Many channels have changed things due to comments posted that they didn't quite realize they did wrong. As you build, it costs a lot of money. The last thing you want is to spend a lot of money to have to rip it all apart due to a major mistake. Have you ever had a mistake that resulted in a sewage pipe burst in winter? I have. I wasn't the one responsible for the reason it burst, but I sure learned a lesson cleaning it up. That is why people will comment. We're not being mean, we're trying to help Al and Gina avoid a potentially costly mistake.
Thank you for showing all that you have done. Perhaps some one else needs that info. God bless.
Glad to see you used long radius 90 degree elbows to insert & protect supply & return pex lines to manifold. Been a long time , but I believe we used something to separate out crossed over lines to keep them from touching. Please explore this prior to the pour.