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Shorten all your wire to the exact lengths so that they just reach your connections. Increase the gauge size on the wire used. And again on the extension cords should be shortened to where they can just reach to wire in your peripheral’s . Do that to the power system and it will operate much more efficient.
Great advice.
Leave enough if you need to patch or make an addition
That's sound advice
When I hauled water (for years), I had a 100 gallon tank on 2 wheels. It was easily pulled by any vehicle. There was a rural water supply overhead you could drive under and fill it for free. That is way easier than carrying 5 gallon containers by hand. And it came in handy one year after I ran my own water line from a neighbors (having given up on the local co-ops promise I would have water "any time now when we drill a new well).
One winter the pump froze that fed the house (and cracked the housing). Fortunately, there was a local guy who could successfully weld cast iron. Never did leak, but I did put a heat lamp in the pump house after that.
So I drove that tank on wheels over to a rich neighbor's house. They had an outside water faucet that was insulated and didn't freeze. And they gave me a full water tank so I could water 70 horses out of a bucket a few at a time.
I don't like being cold which is why I have never lived north of I-40.
good stuff
Might wanna line up some off grid knee replacement, carrying 10 gallons a water, no dolly, no ramps, that's a Lotta weight on them walkin hinges
One thing I would suggest is forget hauling any water. If you have a cistern or storage barrel plus available 12v power, get a nice pump and a good length of hose, and transfer it that way.
I heard that. Below I-40
Well done, that was the simplest way someone explained how to run power out to camp, that I have seen in any video. Thanks and good luck for the rest of the deer season!
Glad you enjoyed it
Amen! Other videos they barley speak on it over over complicate it. This video,was very informative
that was the worst way if he used lead acid batteries for a car. They off gas hydrogen which is explosive and also a health hazard when you breath it
Some great ideas. The water seems like the weak link. It will be difficult to haul all that water when you get old or disabled. Six things you can do fairly easily and inexpensively:
(1) Collect rainwater off your roof into plastic 50 gallons drums (you can usually get used ones for free). You may need to add gutters, pipes and metal/vinyl roof (if shingled). If drinking water, have it tested or filtered.
(2) Dig a shallow well with a pipe and handpump away and uphill from your outhouse. If drinking water, have it tested or filtered.
(3) In the driest time of year, search your land and adjacent land (with permission) for wet areas near a hill. Follow it uphill until it's dry. Move debris below this until you find it wet again. Dig uphill until you find where the water comes directly out of the ground. Dig a small hole. It will likely fill quickly. Give it a half hour for sediment to settle to the bottom. Scoop a jar of water off the top and bring to the nearest lab for testing. If it tests good, come back and dig your hole deeper. You will have all the water you need. You can carry it to your cabin, or dam the bottom, and run an insulted pipe to your cabin (remember, you are uphill). Covering with forest litter will work and look better. It may freeze in the winter if you're in the north. If drinking unfiltered, I would get it tested once after flooding and then once a year.
A few more tips:
(4) Outhouse: I would add a vent pipe that goes below the seat and well above the roof. The wind will pull the smell away. I would not use ash. It will fill too quickly. I would have a bag of lime with a scoop on the top.
(5) I would purchase an inexpensive camping folding toilet seat for using inside if it's too cold outside or if the snow is too deep. You can purchase environmentally safe disposable bags that you can dump into your outhouse at a later time. You can have a partition around your toilet for privacy if you wish. Or better yet, keep it in our sauna to use. It's warm and you have privacy.
(6) I would add a heat reclaimer (with thermostat) to your stovepipe a foot above the top of your stove. You can set it so it will only come on in when it gets the coldest in the early morning when only hot coals remain. Instead of having to get up out of your warm bed and try to start a fire in the chilling cold, your cabin will be the hottest when it is the coldest, and you will use far less firewood. As hard as this is to believe, it really works! Coals give off more heat at the bottom of the stove than roaring flames going up your chimney and wasting energy. An ironsmith puts his metal into the hot coals, rather than at the top of the flame.
thanks for taking the time to add all that.
I live off grid. I keep a bucket of “hydrated lime” in my out house. I Place a scoop in it.
Every time someone uses the toilet, they pour a scoop of lime over their leavings.
It keeps down the oder and dries every thing out.
The ashes are a great idea, obviously, in the winter time.
Thanks for adding in.
Nice little setup. When connecting your alligator clamps from the inverter to the batteries; connect the positive lead to the first battery, and the negative lead to the last batter, this ensures even discharge between all of the batteries.
got it
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Always connect ground first, and disconnect last. Just saying
No..you can't fricken cross positive to negative..moronic idea
@@andrewshepersky8704 He means connect the positive to the positive on the first battery and the negative to the negative on the last battery.
@@davidrounds3245 thanks for that comment. I need to be more sure of myself, dealing with batteries of that size are a little intimidating.
I use to haul my water 325 gallon tank on my truck put in a 1000 gallon tank in the ground with a electric pump to furnish the home with water had a septic tank for waste water but finally got a sand point well and converted electric pump to pull well water so I don't have to haul it anymore but you did a nice job thanks for the video Dave I live on the river so I can fish anytime except for winter
Thanks for the add in
I bought the tank for truck from orchelins farm store cost a 1.00 back then to fill 325 gallon tank I made 3 trips so 3.00 for 975 gallons of water back then probably the prices if today for the electric pump 1000 gallon tank someone with a backhoe and the pipes to bury it Im going to say 5,000 today but we looking at back in the late 80s early 90s when I did that
Great video glad I found this channel. I've always found it beneficial to have a kettle on a wood burning stove to help make up for the this displaced moisture that burning the wood causes. Creates more of an equilibrium in the environment in the sense of moisture and general humidity. 👍👍👍
Yes, we do that sometimes. Then we also have some warm water to do dishes.
Loved the battery bank explication…
I’ve always felt that it was so complicated, I’d never be able to figure it out when others would talk about it or try and explain it.
Thank You!
Glad it was helpful!
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors taking my battery bank out to my cabin is something that I’ve been wanting to do but i am concerned with the batteries being cold while I’m not there. I’m typically there at least once a month over the winter. Temps usually range from 10degrees F to 30degrees F and dip down around -5 F. Any suggestions of whether i should take them out there or not would be appreciated. I didn’t really want to get the batteries yet but was told over the past year that my career would be taken away so i was speeding up the process of leaving the city.
@@shad5743 if you get lithium batteries they fair better in cold weather and can be kept indoors.
@@gracecookie4604 thank you for the input
@@shad5743 We have left them out during the winter, but it's not good for them. This happened a few winters when the snow came early and we couldn't drive in. We bring them in if we can. A solar trickle charger may help if snow doesn't cover the panels.
Great camp! We have pretty much same kind of camp,but we stay in a school bus.We hunt in Central Texas! We use batteries also,and haul in water also!
Sounds awesome. I know the only thing that would get Ted Nugent to leave Michigan is Texas! Thanks for watching, KPO.
Great video, thanks for showing us around! Love your humor!! Best of luck to your camp this season!
Thanks! You too!
Do you need special battery like marine battery
Instablaster.
Truer words about the TP have never been spoken. 😆 Great video. Thanks for the tour.
You bet!
I had to rewind for a bit in the beginning of the video. I was "half watching" when suddenly I thought I had seen "a major award" in the window....damned if it wasn't so! BEAUTIFUL "FRAGILE'" TOUCH!!! I will have one in my cabin for sure!
Yes! I don't let my wife clean it.
1:39 Love the Harbor Freight Solar Charger. Simple and Works. I use mine for Simple Lighting.
Why not collect Rain Water? Even just getting a few 32 Gallon Garbage Cans from Walfart for like $10. Use that for the "Gray Water" use and or get some Good Water Filters and can use it for Drinking also. Hook a couple together at the bottom with a shutoff and drainage Valve for more storage and use a 12v RV Water Pump for things you need water pressure for. It's what I am doing. Tho I do live in Florida and don't really have to worry about Freezing... I type this at 1030pm Jan 17th and just below 40* outside :D :D
Yes we may have to try that sometime.
The best explanation of how to do heat, water and electricity and sewer. Thank you very much!
You are welcome Kathleen.
I absolutly love the battery power system you have. Thank you
Welcome
This is by far the most useful information that I have ever received from any off grid video! These guys know what their doing! Lol I feel like I would survive at this camp! Lol lol this is RUclips and I feel safe! This was awesome!😂
Wow, thanks!
Liked, subscribed, watched it twice. Clear, honest, concise descriptions of the basic components. The sauna with water heater looks pretty luxurious actually. You give people good ideas, thanks.
Welcome aboard! Thanks for that comment.
Great ideas! I’m going to use some of your ideas. I would also like to say that I love the name of your channel. Using the word practical, is an incredibly powerful word that just tells us you do the best you can and enjoy life, I love it!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great easy to understand explanation . We are actually both on grid and off we catch and filter our own water to solve the bucket toteing for water. Eventually we are hoping to be totally of grid .with the expense of everything now days it's a slow process but we will get there. I'll check out your content again great easy to understand explanation very well done.
Thanks for that feed back Jerry.
Nice tour. I like your set up. Thanks for sharing. God bless you all
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the awesome video. Lots of good info!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Good video. Living with nature, great!
Hey thanks for the comment John, KPO.
Well conceived camp site for your hunting purposes. You gave excellent information, like your set up, and your channel.
Take care of yourselves !!! Kevin Phoenix, Illinois. Have a blessed day.
Thanks for the support.
Yup. Combo the generator & the solar (w/a good voltage regulator), to subsidize charging your paralleled 12v's 👍 That's the way to do it man. Great set up.
The more appliances you can keep running on DC the better (I'm sure y'all know that). I know there's a lot of appliances you don't have a choice & you gotta to run on AC but it can really save some juice bypassing those inverters & running as much as you can on DC.
Here in SC it gets SO HOT. I have a 550w window AC unit that I run from a 750w inverter, it drains the crap outta my battery bank. Unfortunately there's not too many ways around it if you wanna beat that summer heat.
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Looks like y'all are enjoying it. Thanks for sharing.
We're enjoying it, thanks!
Ashley. stoves are great we heated the whole house and hot water with one in Maine in the . The only problem is that they are not suitable for cooking. . ours had a square hole in the back where a blower could be added which can make a big difference. The great thingabout asley stoves is that they will burn all night if you run it right. Watch your door seals, they wear out
Good stuff
Great vid, thanks for sharing. I want to do something similar using heavy duty high output solar and a battery from a wrecked EV. Well water to for washing etc
Sounds good
Love the setup!
thanks
Saw the first 15 seconds and I’m subscribed this is my jam
Welcome aboard!
Awesome camp. I have some similar set ups, and a cheap solar system (i went with a 3 panel system from Grape Solar) for lights, extra fan, tv, radio etc. is a game changer. Also something we do for showers is heat the water and mix to the temp we want and put it in a 3 gal. hand pump weed sprayer (clean of course). Our camp is an old 5th wheel, so we just shower in the old shower using the weed sprayer for water pressure. Plan to add a 40 gal sprayer with a 12v pump hooked to the solar system as a means to get water pressure for dishes, shower, etc. All around awesome video though, way to make it simple for everyone.
Thanks Mike, I love hearing how others do it.
It is a lot easier to just use a camp shower or build a solar hot water heater than keep a fire burning (unless you're wanting to keep it burning for other reasons anyway).
@@Growmap Problem with a solar water heater while hunting in winter is you don't shower until at least a couple hours after dark, if not more. By then the water has cooled down if it even had enough sun to get it hot in the winter temps.
@@mikeletorus9556 Good point! I didn't think about that. I typically took that kind of shower during the day.
Maaan good idea!
Sears used to sell a wood stove nearly identical to this one. We heated our home (in Los Altos Hills CA) from 1961 to 1977 with one. It had cast iron grates which allowed the ash (from wood or coal ) to fall into the large pullout pan in the smaller lower door.
Yes ours has that too!
Very simple living, but great presentation and craftmanship
thanks
Great video..we live outside of Kalamazoo mi. But have 120 acre off grid camp in the U.P...outside of Paradise mi..1 mile from Lake Superior
Sounds like a cool spot.
I hope people get the point about awareness. If you are thinking about shifting off grid (even just seasonally) please be aware of everything, even pre-trip stuff is important.
I recently strained my shoulder, i could not imagine hauling water for my wife, my dog, and myself from any kind of distance. And I'm sure going to give them two the larger amounts of water. Now i can't even carry what i could because I'm dehydrating myself.
It's not called wilderness for nothing, be safe. Have fun, live an adventure, but be aware... of your skills, health, supplies, and surroundings.
SHSS, you got this.
Great points
Thank you for the information in this one.
Welcome
That is a heck of a camp you got there sir.
Yes we are very blessed.
My brother-in-law had his deer camp in the UP, coincidentally. The Lindeman's. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching Laura.
Great video thinking of doing something like this but as a off grid home
You should! But for me it's only 4 - 6 weeks a year.
Well done I would love a place like this
We love it thanks!
Fantastic information!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
As always..Good vid KPO!
Appreciate it!
Just subscribed. I'm 62 and being evicted so this information is wonderful. I'll keep watching while l have my phone
I hope everything works out.
very informative, definitely a game changer
Glad it was helpful!
HFLR! Camp is looking great! Keep making memories! What about the destructive varmints and how to deal with them? Smallest to the biggest possibilities.
Thanks for the support. I do have a few older vids about trapping mice at the camp. Links here - ruclips.net/video/HUGo6KSV8hI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Qncsmr1vHmc/видео.html
God Bless, thanks for the good content!
Thanks for watching!
Good info, thx!
Welcome
when I hauled water I'd always have a 50 ft or 100 ft hose at water location to be filled and keep a tote on my truck fill it with a pond pump powered by inverter, and pump my water from truck tote to location like a gas truck at a gas station just not in the ground...
I would definitely do a plastic ibc totes septic system over a compost toilet, even hauling water to fill a standard flushing toilet is so worth it . I mean compost toilets work absolutely, but the piece of mind and top end comfort is priceless for the same invested efforts...
good video and advice, I can always tell who has done it and who hasn't by the creative outcome, off grid is where the real you is, the God given you, and it will educate you beyond your dreams, lol or nightmares 😂
Thanks for adding in. If we lived here I would add a flush toilet, but for our use it works.
I enjoyed your video, is very interesting to know how you live in the off-grid.
Thank you! But it's only for a week or so at a time.
Add around 3x 200ah 12V LiFePO4 and you will be set! Amazon....Ampere time and they are reasonably priced. Great video!
Thanks for the add in.
Run the water line through the fire for hot water Also I have used a solar powered pump for shower
Great job.
thanks
This is how we all need to be living for 6 months of the year. Fun, Fun, then work a little bit. Fun again! Great!!!
Sounds good!
Great video and awesome deer camp. Your accent sounds like Wisconsin or Minnesota. First whitetail I took as in Iron County, UP.
Were in the U.P. also.
Love this video❤️😁🌹
thank you
All I can say is Wow! Just wow! So I'm commenting here in March 2022 & I really hope OP sees b/c this video has given me hope. No joke. I live in Alabama. Solar would be great but I've no $$$ for that! You've shown me that w/ a battery bank & a small gennie I could get enough power to get by if/when the grid fails!! In these times that's crucial. The Sauna is genius. Just got 1 question about the outhouse, how do you clean the hole out when it becomes necessary?
Fabulous video. Tyvm! Truly. You've given me hope & rn the world is pretty hopeless!!!
Peace & Blessings
Our outhouse has had the same hole for 20 years and we haven't done anything to it. But we don't live there, it's a place we spend 4-5 weeks a year. What others do when the hole is fullish is either dig it out or move the outhouse to a new hole.
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors tyvm for answering my question. I saved your vid to my watchlist. I'm a 61 yo woman who grew up rurally, lived in the suburbs for 10 yrs & moved to my own little 25 acres in the woods. My folks like theirs b4 them always planned ahead for emergencies. Living thru the Depression created a preparedness mindset in them & in me. We were poor & neither of them finished high school so their efforts toward preparedness were neither well thought out nor elegant. It was often done the hardest way possible. So I have been playing catch up on my education about such things since 2012. Your electrical system is genius & seems ez enough that even I should be able to achieve it w/ help from my 40 yo son who lives w/ me. Also the sauna & hot water access is brilliant! I am currently on city water but my well is fully functional & all I need do is turn the valve to activate it.
The world is crazy at present. War. Nuclear threat. Food shortages but worst of all is the significant percentage of ppl who have nothing set aside to eat, no water put back & no idea how to deal if/when the grid fails. They will be very dangerous. I've heard it said we are only 9 missed meals away from anarchy. It could happen anytime.
Sorry 4 the long post but I am so relieved to have watched your video & it has renewed my hope for survival. Thank you. If I can ever be of help to you plz don't hesitate to ask. I'm an RN (ret.) & have 2 other college degrees both in communication fields. I wish you & yours Peace & Blessings
Everything you have done is awesome. Also using saw dust instead of water after using lou paper
Hey thanks for the support!
Fantastic video. Dead simple
THANKS
Try running a pvc vent pipe up on your outhouse, while keeping lid closed while not using helps tremendously, just a tip I’ll share. Over in a corner from your seat base.
Nice place!
And paint it black helps it to draw better especially when it warmer.
thanks
Thanks for the tips. I use ash and get the better tp and was happy to see someone mention that too.
Hey Dave great tip on the TP thats why we never put dad in charge of that at our camp!!! Hes a bit of a bargin shopper!!
Buy your own and bring it in and out with you, KPO.
I cut up (thrifted) flannel sheets into 6" squares for toilet wipes. Keep clean ones folded in a basket. Used ones in a diaper pail or any pot with a lid. Use wash osrd, or stomp in the shower.
@@avanellehansen4525 Jesus gross....if you can afford land you can splurge on TP
THANX 4. YOUR EFFORTS....🦌🦊🕊🍁🌲⚘
My pleasure
Country Girl Grit watching from Myrtle Beach S.C. Thank you for sharing.
You are welcome!
Great ideas
Glad you like them!
That was very interesting.
Thanks for watching, KPO.
Leaves work very well to keep the smell out of the outhouse too.If you get lots of rain there I would let it run o the roof into barrels. Can't drink it but you can it for everything else, unless you filter it of course. Even a water filter is easy to make.
noted
Pine needles give a fresh scent 😌
THANKS , GOD BLESS. ❤🙏
You are so welcome
Thanks for the video
you bet
Oh man I definitely agree with the sauna, opening up those pores and sweating all that crap out then pouring semi-cold water on yourself afterwards, shit talking about refreshing, I still thank my grandpa for introducing me to the sauna and how to build one...may he rest in peace and in love 😁👍
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback.
Nice set-up!
Thanks my Polish friend. I think everybody from Rhinelander and the surrounding areas is either Polish or German. We know good sausage when we taste it, KPO.
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Amen brother!
Amazing job...Peace
thanks
Awesome. Super cool
Thanks for the visit
This is great. I live near the UP
Cool, thanks.
Very cool thanks for the video sir
Glad you liked it
That shirt is excellent❤️😂👍!
Thanks
Reminds me of the sauna that on the Old farm outside of Lawler Minnesota they had a similar setup to where they had an old iron water tank routed through the wood burner then in the winter time you go and jump in the snow
Lots of people of Finish decent in the Minnesota area just like where I live in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Yea thats me... my grandmother was born in a log cabin not far from there in minnesota and her parents came over from Finland. the old farm was a lot like your camp but no electric. Had kerosene lamps and a wood stove in kitchen,,, they did have a pump well... lets just say the outhouse was not as nice as yours
Hi, I'm looking at putting a day cabin in the woods, here in NC, and just checking our other folks efforts. You have pretty much as I've considered, and it's good to get substantiation. Well done, I've been running a 300 gallon ex-propane tank in my machine shop to heat a 40 by 60 metal building, for a wood stove, I really like your sauna set up, thanks for all of this.
Thanks for adding in.
Nice setup.
Thanks!
Awsome. Makes me want to grab my 3000watt generator and my AR15 and head out to the woods and get out of the world 👍
A lot of us are thinking the same think these days, KPO.
I'm doing it. Other than thieves life is good.
That's exactly what I'm up to
May want something bigger than a 223
And not sure if it’s because it’s not legal too but should def come up with a rain catching take would help another with all that water you have to bring.. even like a big pool out there you guy can put a water pump in with a filter on it would be nice!
Wow !! You guys have made an awesome camp / bugout pad for yourselfs. Well done !! Have you thought about putting in a shallow well ? Howza bout yer waste water ? How often do you need to move the outhouse and / or sauna/ shower because of inadequate drainage, if ever ??
We tried a point once and had some problems but we may try again. Our sink and sauna drain into a dry well (buried barrel with holes and rocks in it). Haven't had to do anything with the outhouse yet and it's been over 20 years. We only stay 20-30 nights a year so it pretty much turns to mulch.
Off grid in Presque Isle, WI right now.....Doing this during winter has been a challenge.
I can only imagine.
I love your camp. Very creative. I have the land just researching off grid life. As a disabled vet a place like this will give me peace.
As for your water have you ever thought of one of those well points? You drive it in the ground with a sledge hammer.
I'm a disabled Veteran also . I guess we're all into off-grid living . ✌🏼🌃
We tried a point one year and ran into some problems. We may try it again sometime. It would make things easier. Thanks for the interest and thank you for your service. KPO
Thank you for your service, KPO.
@@field-expediance2697 Thank you for your service bro.
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors your very welcome ✌🏼
So if I have two large 12 volt batteries. Cables. And an inverter a generator I can go off grid. Wow. I have all of that but I ain’t too smart at hooking it up.
I got an old building.
I have a military tent wood stove
I need a camp toilet.
I love the sauna! You explain things great
Well you're on your way Abby. Thanks for the comment.
We don't live off grid but We've lived with cistern water and wood stove for my entire life. No A.C or electric heat. No television's or video games growing up. Thankful for that.
Very different from most. Thanks.
This is so gr8. Ty. Now, if the gov would get rid of property tax, that would complete the picture.
I agree
bidet in the shitter maybe then you won't have to worry to much about TP! Just hook some hose with a spray nozzle from a 55 gallon barrel with a foot pump. FYI just a thought! Might have to cover that generator a little better in the winter total enclose it make it a little more silent so if it needs to be on for a long period of time it won't make to much noise, I'd probably rewire the battery bank to make it neater with my OCD lol. :) Awesome looking set up tho! It's got to be nice to get away from the urban and city areas to have silence and be at peace with nature!
Maybe someday.
If you use a smaller pipe for your return line to heat your water ...
Nice setup . Where's your ham radio ? Solar ? Nice sauna . But I'd build a shower first . And and a swimming pool (portable) , makes a great bathtub and or cold slap after the sauna .
Great idea
Makes me appreticite all the more,,subsidiary housing with utilities...
Yes, it can be a lot of work if you were to live off grid year round.
love the saw horse. but when I was young. it was a cross cut saw. no power saw.
that's work!
I need this !
We like it
getting our homestead set up want to get a couple of sheds that can be ran off the grid. in Florida a couple of small solar panels will be a good investment for each cabin ws thinking one of those soda can hot water heater
very cool
i work for a large bus company i have a endless supply of D-8 batteries i power my cabin with inside all 12v fluorescent & led lighting i take a D-8 in the back of my van which charges from my vans super duty charge system atwork i prep used batteries with new acid and a charge center which equalizes and charges to peek 12v/1000 amp as new
nice set up
Also for lights - candle lights that can be made from animal fats. I use an old coffee maker to heat up and melt the fats but this can be done on your stove with a coffee can then pour into a glass jar (with a wick).
good stuff
That was awesome
thanks
You guys should come up with a rain/snowmelt catchment system!
Yes, we tried one year. It mostly was a mosquito breeding ground.
There is a pump sprayer that is black and insulated.. and has a foot pump to pressurize it for showering you can place it out in the sun to warm it up or heat water and pour hot water into it.. and with the foot pump you can pressurize it and take a shower
Cool idea
nice house! like it's humble.
thanks
He says we should not be skimping on toilet paper, and I thought about the Covid nightmare. We still usually can not get any toilet paper here in east TN at Dollar General, the closet + cheapest store to buy it. The shelves are bare on the toilet paper isle. I have learned to use anything available, usually paper towels (just can not put in the toilet or it stops up one's line.)
I hope you can get quality TP soon.
Awesomeness!
Thanks!
Hey buddy, if you take the top off of your woodstove, you can cook on top of the fire box. Been doing it fer years. Have a good one hoss and keep your powder dry! Looking bad now. Stock up on everything!
Thanks for the input
Nice thx bro ❤😊
thank you