James sounds extremely excited to talk about this movie and I think it’s partially because he knows we are so excited to hear their take on it. A+ content yet again boys, I rate this episode of COG as Best Movie Ever 🙌
I think this was the first movie I ever saw that really felt poorly written. And I was 6. I remember taking frequent bathroom breaks just to get away from the discussions of taxation and trade routes
Same here people can like what they want, but I hate when people defend these movies by just saying they are for kids. I was 7 and it just bored me and made me avoid Star Wars stuff outside of the Clone Wars 2D cartoon.
@@Kango234 I think having these movies as the main medium for Star Wars as a kid made me avoid/dislike the series. I always knew about franchise but the prequels, combined with the Clone Wars always looked so boring to me. If Clone Wars was ever on, I remember being so annoyed because I show I wanted to watch was after & I had to wait for it to finish.
@@Kango234 I have never heard prequel fans who love these movies defend them as being just for kids. One of the great things about the prequels is you can enjoy it at any age, it’s just that different things catch your eye. And YES, the prequels are glorious movies, and TPM is actually my favorite. First saw it around 7/8 y.o
I think the politics in modern Star Wars is hated because of its execution, not because it’s political. Some people just don’t know how to articulate that so they just say there is too much politics.A lot great media has its politics on display. They just integrate it better into the story.
Did Finn being a former child soldier end up mattering to anything? Or the arms dealers trading with both sides? A third example from the one I didn't watch because the previous 2 were very boring? No? Exactly.
Basically. Same with the prequels. A lot of the political aspects are just poorly handled and thus come across as comical. Whereas the politics of the original trilogy are very simple but handled well. There's nothing inherently wrong with tackling political issues in a sci-fi setting but you need to make it relevant and internally consistent within the logic of the actual setting, otherwise it just comes off as shitty allegory.
There's not that much to it. When these people say that they hate the politics in newer Star Wars, it's because Rey is a female lead with some amount of power. It's not because of its execution or because it's political, it's because something something woke. Rey isn't political. They didn't do anything with Finn. TLJ could be seen as a critique of fan culture but that's really about it. There's barely any politics in the newer trilogy, even when characters desperately need to sit down and discuss their principles (Rey and Kylo Ren in TLJ.)
@@escargoat8552 aw, I didn't get to see the first draft where you used my name. I'm fine with female leads, I'm fine with real world politics in media. What I'm not ok with is when a huge company like Disney hackjobs it for nothing more than monetary gain. They did Daisy and John so damn dirty with the trilogy. Put the black man on the poster with a Lightsaber and then just relegate that character to non-cgi Jar Jar. Then on top of that, they only canonize his force sensitivity in an interview after the fact. All to trick people into thinking they're going to be represented. The same thing can be said about Rey, just a hollow idol to sell toys to little girls and to get different asses in the seats buying tickets. It's not representation, it's exploitation.
If they can project an all encompassing force field for the Deathstar from Endor, they’d have the tech to project a radar field around Naboo. If any rambunctious rapscallions try to back door the embargo in some tweaked out Gemini, The Viceroy and his Pimp cohorts from the banking guild will be packing the hardware to round them up post haste.
I’m old enough to have grown up on the original trilogy vhs but was young enough when episode one came out that I didn’t think it was bad at the time. None of my friends thought it was activity bad but I think they just echos it was made for children. Also the pod racing still holds up I’d love to see them do another race with todays tech
I echo this sentiment. They basically brought back star wars to sell more toys. But we did get some cool toys and games out of it. And it gave me something to bond with my dad over so that's nice.
Why do our protagonists labour so extensively vs the Droideka. It’s like the moment they come barreling around the corner and up shields Obi-Wan’s sphincter puckers noticeably. Just pick ‘em up and smash em into the wall. No need to turn it into a test of endurance.
Not sure this is 100% correct but I think they went from blockade to full on invasion so the ships that were blockading were no longer in the same place when they returned to Naboo. Also, they were blockading the hyperspace lane, they could have tried to fly in a different direction but they wouldn’t have been able to go into hyperspace and would have been shot down. Their only option was to fly through the blockade and go into hyperspace. The movie does a terrible job explaining this.
@@videogamenostalgia They noticed while making Empire that the price for things had gone up quite a lot. They soon realised that people were seeing the words Star Wars and figured they could do a little price gauging. Blue Harvest was born from that. The Dark Knight tried to use Intimidation Game the same way but the internet worked it out pretty quick.
Nope it was the original star wars, because they didn't want people to know about it since star wars is so popular, even before it was first made. (It's an ongoing joke).
If you think people have learned better. You should see some of the things the grown ass adults have said online about a kid in a Rey costume. Disgusting and depressing unfortunately. Star Wars fans don’t know how to not be terrible
Imo this is a terrible execution of a rather decent idea. If you just list the general plot points, this sounds like a well structured idea. The problem is the execution of the connecting threads. I mean, take the "Ship's hyperdrive is damaged, need to land in Tatooine for parts and fuel -> there they meet Anakin and his mom -> when the Jedi leave Tatooine to return to their original quest, they take Anakin with them but have to leave his mom" scene. Described like that, it sounds fine, no logical inconsistencies with the general structure. So it is really just how the details leading to A to B to C that are poorly written and developed. Let's try something else: Jedi Master notes the hyperdrive is damage and they can't make it to where they must go. Padawan checks the star maps and points a planet a bit off course, but within their current range and where they won't have to deal with the trade federation. "Qui-Gon: Tatooine, hmmm? *reaches out through the force* Interesting. I sense a subtle, yet powerful, disturbance of the force from there. It is as if it were intentionally being hidden. Obi-Wan: *also reaching through the force* Yes master, I too sense it now. Perhaps this is no mere coincidence, we would have never noticed this otherwise. What do you think, master? Qui-Gon: Well, we have little other option than to go there anyway, and as Jedi our first duty is not to politics, but to the will of the force. We go there and at least try to identify the source of this while using the guise of looking for parts and supplies to hide our true intentions. We can procure those things a bit slower than we otherwise would if necessary, I see no problem with a minor delay here if it means uncovering something more larger than politics. Otherwise, once we deliver the Queen to Croissant [not sorry], we will be free to return investigate further. Obi-Wan: The order will probably not be happy if we delay more than we must. Qui-Gon: I don't see the problem here, Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan: Ha, I know, I just like when hearing that. Setting course to Tatooine. Maybe the force be with us. (There, we now know they're intentionally doing things slower than their could, because their priorities are unquestionably different now). Then meeting Anakin, he is a Slave. Cool. Make it so he isn't just the slave of a single master with just a few slave, but of something larger. The Jedi wouldn't just kill them all if it came to that, and they're not there to end the larger operation they don't know how far and how deep they spread. So simply stealing from them (parts, supplies or slaves) would not be an option, the detour to deal with them (heck, even if they did want to do a Sith and kill them all just because) would get in the way of both their missions. So let's have the flying buggy guy just the taskmaster of Anakin's "lot". Now they have a reason to play along local mechanics, and also since they sense the force so strong in Anakin and his high midchlorian counts too I guess (but fuck michlorians imo), we can now connect plot A and B, they assume this boy might be related to the disturbance while clearly not being the source himself, so they agree to having him race "for the parts and supplies we need" because a high risk activity where the boy will definitely use the force intuitively willy nilly might just attract the attention of the real source of the disturbance, helping them to uncover it... and they get what they need for their now secondary (but still obligatory) objective too. And this also reinforces why they can't just take the mother with them, because that would be stealing a slave from the larger organization (the local taskmaster losing a slave in a gamble is his problem with the organization to deal with, but they taking another one by force is their problem to deal with, and we already stablished they why they won't do that). There, I fucking re-wrote it better.
I've always felt that the prequels are largely poor execution of great ideas but that the sequels are a decent execution of an almost non-existent idea
@@jaedenbennett6931 I think you meant prequels in the first one. And yes, I do agree that the sequels are a decent execution of a non-idea. Maybe there was one at the beginning when TFA came out, but after that they pretty much admitted they were cancelling any plans that might have been and had none for the future other than make a feature length ad for merchandize ("where the real money of the movie is made").
When I first saw the prequels I thought that this was the worst one, but maybe it's actually the best? Or maybe they're all about the same. I. Don't. Know.
With the prequels, lightsabers battles and Jedi powers are well demonstrated versus the sequels such as the battle in SW8 when they kill Snoke and fight the red trooper. Also the fact that you can basically take any lines from the prequels and they become memes due to the fact that the delivery of the lines aren't great. There is a few things that are redeemable from the prequals but not much
The problem with jar jar isn't that he's annoying, it's that he's annoying and he's in way too much of the movie. Also because every kid imitated him for the whole of the year 2000.
I watched Ready Player One without sound over someone’s shoulder on an international flight… pretty sure that was the intended format.
Did you still get the guaranteed free migraine?
Did they know you were watching 😂
No migraine, probably wasn’t paying close enough attention… which is probably why they didn’t know I was watching 😁
I cant believe the “Qui-Gon Bin” bit itself got Quin-Gon Bin’d from the video.
James sounds extremely excited to talk about this movie and I think it’s partially because he knows we are so excited to hear their take on it. A+ content yet again boys, I rate this episode of COG as Best Movie Ever 🙌
It's just occurred to me that The Duel Of The Fates is a fight between three people.
Yes, but the duel being between good/light & evil/dark, not a literal duel between 2 people.
But 2 people would've probably still been more apropos.
I think of it as an equal number of lightsaber blades, and it's almost as if Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are so in sync they are acting as a unit.
Nick mason channeling my soul in this one 😂
I think this was the first movie I ever saw that really felt poorly written. And I was 6.
I remember taking frequent bathroom breaks just to get away from the discussions of taxation and trade routes
Same here people can like what they want, but I hate when people defend these movies by just saying they are for kids. I was 7 and it just bored me and made me avoid Star Wars stuff outside of the Clone Wars 2D cartoon.
@@Kango234 I think having these movies as the main medium for Star Wars as a kid made me avoid/dislike the series. I always knew about franchise but the prequels, combined with the Clone Wars always looked so boring to me. If Clone Wars was ever on, I remember being so annoyed because I show I wanted to watch was after & I had to wait for it to finish.
HA this is so accurate
@@Kango234 I have never heard prequel fans who love these movies defend them as being just for kids. One of the great things about the prequels is you can enjoy it at any age, it’s just that different things catch your eye. And YES, the prequels are glorious movies, and TPM is actually my favorite. First saw it around 7/8 y.o
@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrrI don't think the prequels can be enjoyed at ANY age.
I think the politics in modern Star Wars is hated because of its execution, not because it’s political. Some people just don’t know how to articulate that so they just say there is too much politics.A lot great media has its politics on display. They just integrate it better into the story.
Yeah, it's the virtue signaling. It comes off hollow and more artificial than the powder on cheese puffs
Did Finn being a former child soldier end up mattering to anything? Or the arms dealers trading with both sides? A third example from the one I didn't watch because the previous 2 were very boring? No? Exactly.
Basically. Same with the prequels. A lot of the political aspects are just poorly handled and thus come across as comical. Whereas the politics of the original trilogy are very simple but handled well. There's nothing inherently wrong with tackling political issues in a sci-fi setting but you need to make it relevant and internally consistent within the logic of the actual setting, otherwise it just comes off as shitty allegory.
There's not that much to it. When these people say that they hate the politics in newer Star Wars, it's because Rey is a female lead with some amount of power. It's not because of its execution or because it's political, it's because something something woke. Rey isn't political. They didn't do anything with Finn. TLJ could be seen as a critique of fan culture but that's really about it. There's barely any politics in the newer trilogy, even when characters desperately need to sit down and discuss their principles (Rey and Kylo Ren in TLJ.)
@@escargoat8552 aw, I didn't get to see the first draft where you used my name. I'm fine with female leads, I'm fine with real world politics in media. What I'm not ok with is when a huge company like Disney hackjobs it for nothing more than monetary gain. They did Daisy and John so damn dirty with the trilogy. Put the black man on the poster with a Lightsaber and then just relegate that character to non-cgi Jar Jar. Then on top of that, they only canonize his force sensitivity in an interview after the fact. All to trick people into thinking they're going to be represented. The same thing can be said about Rey, just a hollow idol to sell toys to little girls and to get different asses in the seats buying tickets. It's not representation, it's exploitation.
"Wingsy Snouter" - lol
I love that James instantly knew who he meant lol
If they can project an all encompassing force field for the Deathstar from Endor, they’d have the tech to project a radar field around Naboo.
If any rambunctious rapscallions try to back door the embargo in some tweaked out Gemini, The Viceroy and his Pimp cohorts from the banking guild will be packing the hardware to round them up post haste.
The new version of Phantom Menace with CGI Yoda instead of the terrible puppet is so much better.
I’m old enough to have grown up on the original trilogy vhs but was young enough when episode one came out that I didn’t think it was bad at the time. None of my friends thought it was activity bad but I think they just echos it was made for children. Also the pod racing still holds up I’d love to see them do another race with todays tech
I echo this sentiment. They basically brought back star wars to sell more toys. But we did get some cool toys and games out of it. And it gave me something to bond with my dad over so that's nice.
Why do our protagonists labour so extensively vs the Droideka. It’s like the moment they come barreling around the corner and up shields Obi-Wan’s sphincter puckers noticeably.
Just pick ‘em up and smash em into the wall. No need to turn it into a test of endurance.
Mason... I know. I'm so sorry.
“Oh… you live with your mum!?” Made me rofl the fuck out
Not sure this is 100% correct but I think they went from blockade to full on invasion so the ships that were blockading were no longer in the same place when they returned to Naboo. Also, they were blockading the hyperspace lane, they could have tried to fly in a different direction but they wouldn’t have been able to go into hyperspace and would have been shot down. Their only option was to fly through the blockade and go into hyperspace. The movie does a terrible job explaining this.
The movie doesn't explain it, because someone made it up afterwards to explain the holes in Lucas' writing.
@@MrOtistetrax that’s exactly right! 😂 Star Wars is full of that.
Wasn’t Blue Harvest the code name for Return of the Jedi? Not New Hope? Lol
Yeah. I don’t think New Hope or Empire got misleading working titles…
@@videogamenostalgia They noticed while making Empire that the price for things had gone up quite a lot. They soon realised that people were seeing the words Star Wars and figured they could do a little price gauging. Blue Harvest was born from that. The Dark Knight tried to use Intimidation Game the same way but the internet worked it out pretty quick.
Nope it was the original star wars, because they didn't want people to know about it since star wars is so popular, even before it was first made. (It's an ongoing joke).
I love Podracing and would love a modern Videogame with it as a Focus.
Savage Opress is the worst name I've ever heard.
“Wingsy Snouter* 😂
"not without it's redeeming qualities"
Who are you quoting and why?
How long will Revenge of the Sith be!? 😆
25:40
C’mon James… Tatooine would have a mall outlet for funky leather desert wench bikinis. 🙄
If you think people have learned better. You should see some of the things the grown ass adults have said online about a kid in a Rey costume. Disgusting and depressing unfortunately. Star Wars fans don’t know how to not be terrible
Imo this is a terrible execution of a rather decent idea. If you just list the general plot points, this sounds like a well structured idea. The problem is the execution of the connecting threads. I mean, take the "Ship's hyperdrive is damaged, need to land in Tatooine for parts and fuel -> there they meet Anakin and his mom -> when the Jedi leave Tatooine to return to their original quest, they take Anakin with them but have to leave his mom" scene. Described like that, it sounds fine, no logical inconsistencies with the general structure. So it is really just how the details leading to A to B to C that are poorly written and developed. Let's try something else:
Jedi Master notes the hyperdrive is damage and they can't make it to where they must go. Padawan checks the star maps and points a planet a bit off course, but within their current range and where they won't have to deal with the trade federation. "Qui-Gon: Tatooine, hmmm? *reaches out through the force* Interesting. I sense a subtle, yet powerful, disturbance of the force from there. It is as if it were intentionally being hidden. Obi-Wan: *also reaching through the force* Yes master, I too sense it now. Perhaps this is no mere coincidence, we would have never noticed this otherwise. What do you think, master? Qui-Gon: Well, we have little other option than to go there anyway, and as Jedi our first duty is not to politics, but to the will of the force. We go there and at least try to identify the source of this while using the guise of looking for parts and supplies to hide our true intentions. We can procure those things a bit slower than we otherwise would if necessary, I see no problem with a minor delay here if it means uncovering something more larger than politics. Otherwise, once we deliver the Queen to Croissant [not sorry], we will be free to return investigate further. Obi-Wan: The order will probably not be happy if we delay more than we must. Qui-Gon: I don't see the problem here, Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan: Ha, I know, I just like when hearing that. Setting course to Tatooine. Maybe the force be with us. (There, we now know they're intentionally doing things slower than their could, because their priorities are unquestionably different now).
Then meeting Anakin, he is a Slave. Cool. Make it so he isn't just the slave of a single master with just a few slave, but of something larger. The Jedi wouldn't just kill them all if it came to that, and they're not there to end the larger operation they don't know how far and how deep they spread. So simply stealing from them (parts, supplies or slaves) would not be an option, the detour to deal with them (heck, even if they did want to do a Sith and kill them all just because) would get in the way of both their missions. So let's have the flying buggy guy just the taskmaster of Anakin's "lot". Now they have a reason to play along local mechanics, and also since they sense the force so strong in Anakin and his high midchlorian counts too I guess (but fuck michlorians imo), we can now connect plot A and B, they assume this boy might be related to the disturbance while clearly not being the source himself, so they agree to having him race "for the parts and supplies we need" because a high risk activity where the boy will definitely use the force intuitively willy nilly might just attract the attention of the real source of the disturbance, helping them to uncover it... and they get what they need for their now secondary (but still obligatory) objective too. And this also reinforces why they can't just take the mother with them, because that would be stealing a slave from the larger organization (the local taskmaster losing a slave in a gamble is his problem with the organization to deal with, but they taking another one by force is their problem to deal with, and we already stablished they why they won't do that).
There, I fucking re-wrote it better.
I've always felt that the prequels are largely poor execution of great ideas but that the sequels are a decent execution of an almost non-existent idea
@@jaedenbennett6931 I think you meant prequels in the first one.
And yes, I do agree that the sequels are a decent execution of a non-idea. Maybe there was one at the beginning when TFA came out, but after that they pretty much admitted they were cancelling any plans that might have been and had none for the future other than make a feature length ad for merchandize ("where the real money of the movie is made").
@@louisvictor3473 thanks for that correction lol and I'm glad someone else agrees
When I first saw the prequels I thought that this was the worst one, but maybe it's actually the best? Or maybe they're all about the same. I. Don't. Know.
It helps if you don't think of them as being Star Wars movies. I joke that I don't really consider them canon.
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With the prequels, lightsabers battles and Jedi powers are well demonstrated versus the sequels such as the battle in SW8 when they kill Snoke and fight the red trooper. Also the fact that you can basically take any lines from the prequels and they become memes due to the fact that the delivery of the lines aren't great. There is a few things that are redeemable from the prequals but not much
The problem with jar jar isn't that he's annoying, it's that he's annoying and he's in way too much of the movie. Also because every kid imitated him for the whole of the year 2000.
Hey either of you guys want a pizza roll?
Who TF is Yoder
The Star Wars "prequels" are bad movies. They're also not good Star Wars films. No.
Jedi did nothing wrong
They kidnapped children to train as space cops to protect the rice and powerful
Ignore the Benjamin bloke. I’m first