fundamentalism combined with terrorism isn't specifically limited to islam, as we're waking up to find right here in america. we ignore that at our peril.
Seriously? Seriously? So which middle eastern country should you bomb this time ? An iranian dude does an assasination attempt. And Bill Maher is out there to discuss "We should condemn bad ideas of islam". I have read salman rushdie book a decade back, and I found it average. And I am sure millions and millions of muslims have read it too. If one guy with a muslim name is good enough to spark a debate about muslim extremism, what about me, should it start a debate about muslim tolerance ? It is the definition of strawman argument. I mean if after every white supremacist attack, media comes and starts discussing " well we know all white guys aren't terrorists, but what is wrong with white genes ? I mean I and hundreds of millions of muslims like me who consider themselves to be devoted muslims and don't consider about killing people for their views, our islam isn't somehow islam ???? Only the islam of extremists represents TRUE islam??? My islam is deviant islam??? Yes, I get really offended when someone deliberately degrades my religious figures. Yes, I think homosexuality, fornication and adultery is a sin. But would I resort to violence??? A big no, just less than one percent of muslims actually resorts to violence, BUT their islam somehow represents ISLAM, and the ISLAM of 99% is not true islam. Well, i guess Jew bill maher and Jew sam harris somehow understand true islam, and I have been fooled by my teachers and parents my whole life. Question the commitment to non-violence of millions of american muslims by actions of one lunatic is bigotry, I dare bill maher to debate on crime in black communities, or high frequency of high profile jewish sex offenders in me too movement. Would he ? Because you just can't judge 99% for action of 1%. But somehow for muslims, few lunatics going buck wild every year, automatically makes whole religion as complicit. And I know exactly why, Every decade US elite gets horny for some muslim lives in middle east, be it iraq, libya, syria, or palastine, and the shepherds need to portray muslim as "The barbarians" to the herd so that their blood sells cheap. Bill maher and his ilk is despicable. So are you. I mean, you are finally getting " white male toxicity" kinda bullshit now too. You media is just making your brain rot more intense. And keep you ready to support next invasion for democratic values in middle east. Fcuking noobs, no wonder your civilization has degenerated beyond repair. You are good sheep.
The definition of Strawman fallacy as displayed by Bill at here is very much ambiguous. It had originated from strawmans being used by farmers in old days which were confusing the birds for actual humans to keep them away.. Same happens in a strawman argument wherein the statement made by the opposite party is deliberately misrepresented to be otherwise and an attempt is made to refute that statement which hasn't actually been made by the opposite party and it is pretended as if the actual statement made by the other party had been refuted.
I can imagine the look on the intern’s face: “Bill needs you to build a straw man. No, not a bad argument. He literally needs a straw man. Go buy a bale of straw. I hope your sculpting talent is better than your coffee-making skills.”
When the play "The Book of Mormon" was on Broadway, technically the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could have sued since "The Book of Mormon" is copyrighted. Instead, they chose to take out advertisements on the playbill and on cabs all over New York that said things like "You've seen the play, now read the book" or "The book was better." Hilarious response.
And who can say this wasn't a better response? Certainly more civilized. For sure cleverer. Violence stinks of, "I could not THINK of anything else to do." The Mormons were clever. That is worthy of respect. Salman's attacker is an argument for Islamophobia. And a damn good one.
Since your brought that up, interesting how you can have a whole Broadway show making fun of Mormonism and no one stabs Trey Parker or Matt Stone, or blows up their cars. But draw a picture of Mohammad and its very likely your office gets firebombed.
I would have to say Bill is a dying breed. He’s the only one on TV right now who seems to literally speak his mind with no thought about who he offends with his honesty. It’s so refreshing that he hasn’t changed in all these years and I’m saying this as someone who didn’t used to care for him but realizing how much I appreciate his perspective. Thank you, Bill, really.
More important than speaking one's mind, he's capable of nuance. He doesn't present issues with a reductionist perspective. Politicians and voters from both parties distort what the other is saying. Until we learn to present our values with more precise and nuanced messaging, this country will remain sharply polarized.
Pay attention how Bill Maher NEVER had knowledgeable practicing Muslim on his show and instead uses Ben Aflack and Strawman to speak to because they cant talk back and provide actual correct teachings or arguments.
Bill Mahur defense of his friend was spot on. Speaking out about the attackers of Salmon Rushdie was not just the right thing to do it was also well say. Wishing Salmon Rushdie a safe and speedy recovery ❤️
@@Megalithovorae -- who supposedly died more than a decade ago? Your response is confusing since no one in the OP is dead. Rushdie is in the hospital. Maher is still alive. And the attacker is in the Chautauqua County Jail.
There should be a permanent place SOMEWHERE on Bill's set for "Strawman" because that was brilliant...he could be a spiritual symbol on the show of what all guests/debaters should aspire NOT to use when making arguments
Powerful analogy Bill Maher. Defense of free speech should be beyond partisan politics. It should be a stand all Americans should rally to. Without it, first and foremost, all other rights would be non existent.
Guy Souriandt so you are justifying a terrorist attack on a young female civilian journalist just because she was critical of Kiev regime and azov battalion? Free speech only works if it is universal, thanks for proving western hypocrisy, you probably support ban on RT and fell for ghost of Kiev and Iraq wmd too, you are no better than salmon Rushdie attacker
Your statement isn't completely wrong, but this honor goes to the 2nd Amendment and not the 1st Amendment because all other rights are non-existent without the right to keep and bear arms which the 2nd amendment protects and not just without free speech and freedom of/from religion which is protected by the 1st amendment. Charlton Heston and Ted Nugent are/were very outspoken about this fact.
Muslim women like Asra Nomani should be given a chance to have a say in this. "Angels on Earth -- Love Letter to Lily", Asra Nomani, YT. I couldn't interest you in checking out, leaving a comment and giving the thumbs-up, could I ? This brave and dignified Muslim woman could teach us all how to become open-minded.
@@simonebest6013 Some. I suspect most of Bill's primary audience are closer to the center than the political fringes. Speaking honestly about the liabilities of Islam is rarer on the left than it should be. That fear of being branded a racist on social media is cancel culture manifest.
@@frankgradus9474 you can't get away from the core Islamic beliefs that the Koran and Muhammad are perfect. These core beliefs will always be a problem. In particular, Muhammad was a slave trading r*pist who married a child and encouraged his followers to take married women as sex slaves. It's therefore impossible to condemn such clearly vile acts without undermining core beliefs of Islam. And duly moderate Ms only seek to mitigate this by adding caveats etc. They can't say slavery is immoral and an appalling act, they simply provide restrictions on conditions of slavery to make it seem more acceptable.
Strawman Arguments happen so often that it's hard to tell the difference between actual information and details and what is actually going on. And if we're making progress or not.
Strawman arguments have become so common that the majority of people (maybe in the range of 90%) think they constitute a valid form of argument, and the majority of those people use it as the foundation for almost all of their arguments.
There is a book, “The Seven Fallacies of Debate”, (forgive if that’s not exact), that should be assigned to every high school student. These tactics are being used by our government, and news agencies, and damn near everyone. Straw Man is but one of the seven fallacies. Once you read the book, suddenly you see that almost no one can make a valid point.
Silvano Fardos is not only brave, but totally heartbroken. My heart goes out to her. Her son may never understand what he has done, unless his handlers let him go.
Rob Reiner and his father Carl made a living out of comedy that made the status quo uncomfortable. Just because Rob was a liberal back in the day doesn’t make him a woke douche today.
"We both know what would happen if you tried to put on a show called the book of Muhammad." That's the unfortunate part because Matt and Trey have made several South Park episodes about Muhammad and the network censored every single one of them out of fear of retaliation.
@@gaming4life788 so that way the win . I'm not saying you should poke the hornet nest but you should deffenitly consider an exterminator (in that case rasing awarness while also taking actions to protect yourself if needed)
I’ve been listening to Bill Maher since the 90s… He’s definitely leaning hard to the right in his old age… As most old people do 🤷🏻♂️ Before… Most of his points were valid Now… Half of his points are valid
I'm with Laurie. Where have you been? And besides, I've been canceled by groups from both political extremes, and I've never been more proud of myself 😀 Don't be afraid of it. Embrace it. The Cancel Club is great! Very liberating. Biden's an idiot. Trump's an idiot. BLM, MAGA, gender-stooges, gun-nuts... they're all fu*ked in the head. Tell them so, and join us.
I have been watching Bill(from Sweden) for many many years.Never - and I mean never - in all these years have I found him boring or irrelevant.And I just love him when he does his 'warrior' thing of defending the values of freedom and democracy.This is yet another brilliant expose.
Muslim women like Asra Nomani should be given a chance to have a say in this. "Angels on Earth -- Love Letter to Lily", Asra Nomani, YT. I couldn't interest you in checking it out, leaving a comment and giving the thumbs-up, could I ? This brave and dignified Muslim woman could teach us all how to become open-minded. By the by, once you're in Sweden - Henrik Jönsson, YT channel, highly recommended.
I was never a Muslim despite being born into one. But he’s not right, he never criticized Christian or Zionist violence. Look at Palestine, that’s not Muslims creating apartheid in the name of god
@@181cameron obviously no. The arrogance to think people know everyone’s thought and yet criticize a religion for behaving i. The very same way. So like homeboy, it’s about your ability to self analyze and not just condemn others for your lacking.
What irony! Talking about the strawman in front of Mr. Rob "strawman" Reiner? That guy has been attacking anyone right of far left for the last half decade.
Another brilliant “New Rules” segment. I don’t always agree with Bill, but he represents American values first & foremost. And that’s what I love about him.
Yep .. I might not agree with everything he says .. but he has principles and he sticks to them .. principled people are a dying breed .. it's nearly all performative these days ..
That’s not a good thing in the slightest. American values…. Ya thought that murdering black folk was okie doke. I think you need to reframe your history knowledge.
@@royw-g3120 - The problem is that he makes a false claim that "no one" is making anti-Muslim arguments. This is no straw man. We even have a former president who said repeatedly that "NO Muslim" should be allowed to enter the US.
It reminds me of how gang related violence is reduced to gun violence. As though we only have gangs, poverty, crime and drugs because we have guns. It’s like calling Rushdie a victim of knife violence. Looking to the root cause of such things demands discussing difficult and inherently challenging truths that are easily scapegoated into ‘offensive speech’.
The reason those arguments get people so fired up is because we haven’t done anything about guns. It’s like putting the cart before the horse. Figuring out the root cause of lots of violence can happen in a more sane way after we have taken care of the gun situations. These arguments are delayed gun reform for decades so it gets people fired up
Bill Mahr always does a fantastic job of bringing people down to reality. Just because we have different viewpoints, doesn't mean we can't have an intelligent discussion and agree to disagree. Everything has gotten so extreme. Everything is taken to that next level. I just love that bill brings it back down where it needs to be.
@@mikemorris1512 - the fact that you imply a lack of intelligence because you don't like what's said says more about *you* than it does about Bill or his guests.
That mother truly deserves the support and praise for standing firm and strong in a very unimaginable situation it's nightmarish truly and she bravely is making a very serious point with standing tall and being firm in the wake of an unthinkable horrific reality she's having to face and to live with and how devastating to have to make such a choice and public statement as a mother I hurt for her truly and I hope she'll be backed and be able to lean on her community in complete support she needs and has earned , I have no doubts she loves her son still but knowing how evil that act he tried committing was and the cost of his choices made this brave woman make the most damnable unimaginably hard decision to speak out against her son to stand firm on that and you completely cut him off because he is not remorseful and refuses to acknowledge the wrong that he has tried that he committed in attempting to murder someone no matter who they were made her look at her morals and made her realize what she had to do, I hold her in thoughts and prayers for her peace and comfort and for her son to be helped and maybe undo the brainwashing damage done by radicalism.
Holy Liberal Arts, Batman! This is textbook masterclass of comedy perfection. There is so much going on at once here. The genius stroke was the inspired choice to have a literal Straw-man manifested in physical form for Bill to play off of. Not only did it conjure a literal visual representation of a figurative term, but it elevated the now tired old argument Mr Maur roleplays of having to defend one's self in social discussions with the same cliche extreme jumping to conclusions disingenuous interruptions. I didn't realize till this heightened dramatization just how universally played out this dead end argument really is. But, the mere ridiculousness of the play acting exercise with a literal Straw-man prop truly brings home the utter ridiculousness of the actual Straw-man troupe when used in real life situations. This achieves a perfect balance of the hire wire act that is high-end, high-art comedy. When the comedian is, at heart, an observationalist first and then able to find the humor and absurdity of any given situation. This skit, this brilliant bit and piece of business here, is the ultimate example of achieving this end-game whole-heaetedly with pitch-perfect comedic precision. And Bill Maur is such an Elder statesman of comedy so well-established that we just take for granted his greatness, but if this were preformed by a new up and coming comic we'd praise them for their fresh hot take and that there was a pure new voice in the theatre of yuks. Bill's young at heart status is legacy.
Being a liberal is about accepting and respecting the right for other people to express different opinions. A lot of people that call themselfs liberals, go completely against this principle, they are no more than woke activists that demand people to think the same way as them. Good that there are still people like Bill Maher, that are true liberals.
That's because new age liberals are collectivist marxists who double as self-imposed speakers of people they deemed oppressed. Wannabe hippy heroes for a day and bigoted hypocrites. They are everything they claim to speak against.
The U.S. Constitution is a very liberal document. Liberals own the Constitution. U.S. conservatives are conservative to a completely liberal framework.
Bill knew what Rob Reiner was going to do. This segment is hilariously timed. EDIT: Holy crap. Rob Reiner was actually sitting at the table for this segment?!? He actually heard all of this and still made a fool of himself being a living , breathing, large straw man.
The fact you had to define straw-man arguments shows how badly educated most Americans are in rational thought and debate. We should learn all this stuff in middle and high school, but even most college students have zero patience for philosophical concepts
The subject matter is Strawman and then you type this comment. The irony. Plus you made an assumption based on bias. The fact that he defined it indicates that he is a good journalist or at least trying to be one. The very basics of journalism when reporting or analysing is to assume that the viewer/audience doesn't know what you're talking about. He did right by defining. Good Journalistic skills are an art and science getting lost with the wind because of the ease social media and platforms such as RUclips offer to every Tom, Dick and Susan to post a video online. Everyone thinks they are journalists now just because theyve got good graphic and visual aid skills, yet they are merely mediocre and they are "nornalizing" poor journalism as a standard. Even though this show is an American show, it has a large international audience. You can bet and you'd win if put forth the statement that many many people all over the world don't know what it means. Never the less, just because you know something, don't get cocky with an air of superiority. There probably much you don't know that others in other places learnt in high school or primary. Always assume a spirit of humility when it comes to educating others.
@@kamu747 the op specifically makes a comment about American education and he’s somehow wrong due to this show having an international audience? How very entitled of you. “Journalism” is dead as now it is tabloid anonymous reporting when historically nothing would be printed without three independent,y verified sources. That’s journalism 101. But yes let’s assume more humility and be victimized by regressive tolerance even more. Because Strawman says so!
Oh, no. They learn it. They know what it is. They just don't care. Education isn't the problem. The fact of the matter is, a lot of people are hacks who refuse to make honest arguments. We need to start explicitly shaming that sort of behavior.
@@Shark-hn4mv Yeah that's true. Conservatives knowingly abuse strawman arguments and projection as a strategy. They don't have any valid arguments or good policies so they have to rely on deception, distraction, hyperbole and mischaracterization. This is used in almost every debate by the Right. For example, when even the mildest forms of gun control legislation is discussed, Republicans immediately run to saying "They're gonna abolish the second amendment" which is obviously a gross overstatement. Every belief on the Right is formed out of Fascist ideology so these underhanded tactics have been perfected to a propaganda art form. Just watch FOX NEWS essentially brainwashing bigoted rednecks armed with AR-15s to hate everyone who isn't a Trump supporter. Great message to spread huh?
I see a lot of straw man responses to tweets and comments on RUclips, and I think this quote is one reason why: "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something that he can understand." - Bertrand Russell
That's probably also the reason why Bill and his writers apparently mistook the one making the argument for the straw man, when it is the argument itself that is the straw man.
Great statement, but needs compression. What about *_tRump lovers love bull-shitting themselves._* ? Bringing tRump to the table looks like straw-manning, but Trump-lover=stupid-man; "love" carries a lot of unconscious background, and bs is to disregard accuracy to favor nonsense.
I always applaud Bill and his commitment to free speech. Without this, there is no true freedom, for an unspoken opinion for fear of reprisal is a mind held hostage. Speak what you think, allow others the same, and somewhere we might just grow a little and tolerate our differences, and realize occasionally, our similarities...
Bill is an advocate for free speech? Did you do to many drugs? Or are you currently high all the time. Because he hates free speech when it doesn’t suit him. Hunter Biden’s laptop. Convinced his followers it was 100% Russian propaganda. We knew then, like we know now, that is was 100% true. Not disinformation. He never apologized for being wrong. And he still runs currently with that story. You clearly have no intellectual capacity for anything other than your next fix. How about you just focus on your pharmaceuticals and how much you can take before an overdose. Because you sound ridiculous.
Very good, well thought out and well executed bit. Good Job everyone. Since you’ve returned to your old form of calling out politicians and media, I have really been enjoying your show. Your voice against the woke left is very valuable and I appreciate you.
Nothing to do with a mentality of Straw Man (genius of Bill to invite him to the table) yet I felt a bit a pang, a slam of sorts and felt the need to remind us all that warriors come in all shapes, sizes, are women, men, children, and from all walks of life. Some have major impact on a country at large or on the world as a whole. Others might simply, quietly plant trees, or rescue children, animals or lonely people from harm. Some speak up. Some bless others with needed hugs. They don’t complain - they are the doers, courageous with a greater purpose than themselves , a passionate calling for a greater quality of Life for the many. I was one Keyboard Warrior amongst many during the #Standing Rock crisis and oh how I so wanted to be physically present with nearly my all my heart - I say “nearly” because the grandchildren in my care needed me too and they have my whole heart. My “job” is to teach them to do better than me. I, in part wanted to go and be present, on the-ground, fully participate on the ground to teach the children about follow through, show them the importance of having one’s hands and feet match their mouth, their words. Yet, if I was not herewith them, for them, if I did not return to them - many Water Protectors died or are severely damaged by the DAPL COUGH - who then would be their Grandmother and caregiver if I did not return? The late great Native American Professor, activist, #WaterProtector, filmmaker of Awake: A Dream from Standing Rock, journalist, drone pilot, and a phenomenal wayshower and teacher to us all, Myron Dewey of the Paiute Nation very often gave accolades and expressed great appreciation to the Keyboard Warriors for their assistance in tracking, instant research for much needed information and for their sharing of the travesties experienced by the Feet-on-the-ground protectors in real time. He let us know we were invaluable for the fight against the Dakota Access Pipeline. I was humbly honored to serve in this way, to be part of the connection to and with all the Water and Earth Protectors and for the opportunity to share this purposeful action with my grands. Myron Dewey, jailed, his life often threatened, was founder of Digital Smoke Signals. He was killed on a secluded highway in September 2021 and as the LA Times wrote “…the 49-year-old had posted footage on Twitter a day earlier from a central Nevada military installation where he and other members of local tribes have long protested the proposed expansion of a U.S. Navy bombing range” and the mining of lithium which was poisoning the water of local tribes. I do indeed fully appreciate what Bill was saying in that Salman Rushdie is not a keyboard warrior, that he is indeed a real warrior and yet with all due respect he is a writer/author/warrior who needed tools for expression and the assistance of those who love and support him, as well a keyboard. Many Blessings to you all. I pray for Mr Rushdie’s full recovery and for the cause of journey lived well by Myron Dewey to live on!
Okay, Bill: Nobody whatsoever among the liberals is justifying or excusing the violence. But we do remember when you spent years applauding and supporting torture and the Iraq war. And if you want to compare Muslim violence with American violence it is August and Hiroshima and Nagasaki are fresh in our mind, and aside from that we remember that the USA and Britain loved dousing women and children with napalm during World War II. Remember?
@@pauls6897 Christians are allowed to murder anyone, amirite? We don't have thousands of nuclear missiles because Christians are so very peaceful and love civilians so much. Aside from that even on the day of the attack the balance of violence West vs. East was vastly on the side of the West against the East since the USA and Europe finance and arm murderous dictators prone to killing Muslims in their own countries so as to control the resources.
That's actually a non sequitur argument- or translated, 'it does not follow'. A Straw Man is when you misrepresent your opponents argument to be WEAKER than it actually is- and not to add irrelevant premises to their argument.
@@ElazarusWills So it is falsely setting up an argument, which is often weaker than the person's true argument, but not always. It could be the straw man is exaggerated or simpler or just different from the actual argument or position.
I don't think you're right. This is the correct usage of "straw man". If you and I are having a debate about an issue and I am having trouble defending my position, I will misrepresent your position not necessarily to something weaker, but to something DIFFERENT that I will have an easier time debating against. If you say "Islamic fundamentalism is bad because it promotes terrorism, it is anti democratic, anti free speech and preaches against gay rights and woman's rights" , and I am a liberal and I know that you are correct in what you are saying, and technically I should agree with you because Islamic fundamentalism represents everything that liberals like myself have been fighting against for hundreds of years, but I can't agree with you because you might be a conservative and I can never be seen agreeing with a conservative, I will straw man you and accuse you of Islamiphobia because it is easier for me to win a debate against a bigot than with someone that is making good arguments that I can't rationally disagree with. I have turned your position into what I want it to be, instead of what it actually is. I have in a sense, created you, just like a farmer creates a straw man. Isn't that what Bill is talking about here?
Excellent segment, Bill. It's fascinating to see how free speech HAS been under attack in recent years, ESPECIALLY from Americans. The use of speech has been attributed to some form of verbal "violence" if it happens to hurt someone's subjective "feelings", whereas ACTUAL violence (in many cases) has actually been applauded or even dismissed by the SAME people that claim that words ARE violence. The utter idiocy of this, the sheer hypocrisy of this, is beyond ludicrous. But, as you pointed out, when FACTS are used, then strawman arguments abound. The Left (and Rob Reiner, I don't know why you seem to laugh at what Bill said, because YOU are okay with silencing people, a.k.a NOT allowing them to use their Constitutional Right to Free Speech, that disagrees with your political and ideological views!), have been using strawman tactics for some time now. Especially the Main Stream Media. It's sad, and to be honest, it does NOTHING but keep divisions between people who, politics and ideologies aside, would otherwise probably get along. But, then again, isn't division the actual goal of politics and political ideologies today? Keep the people divided, because it serves to benefit the political "elites"!
But when I use this same argument about murderous cops and how minorities are treated in this country I get I’m anti- police or unamerican by people on the right. Isn’t it the same thing? The left doesn’t have a monopoly on Straw man arguments. The right started this shit.
Right wingers of today do not infringe on the right to free speech/expression of others because atleast as of now, no right winger calls for blasphemy to be a crime, which staunch atheists like Bill Maher do commit every now and then. Leftists are the ones who infringe upon this right because the bullshit of cancel culture resulting into censorship has emanated from ideological left and not from ideological right.
@@vidyanandbapat8032 As an atheist myself, I thought that fellow atheists would be the STAUNCHEST supporters of free speech, but alas, I was wrong. The fact is that a LOT of atheists are VERY "left" of politics. Just look at the recent comments from Sam Harris, and even Matt Delahunty. Brilliant when it comes to arguing AGAINST religion and religious indoctrination, but so far on the Left that they're okay with censoring people and ideas that does not fit their political narrative. But you're correct, the free speech loving Left of yesteryear has been replaced with extreme Left ideologies that cannot STAND the opinions of the Right that they actually SUPPORT censorship and, even worse, increase Government to apply censorship and/or the eradication of the Right. That was NOT the political Left that I used to be a part of. And the Right of today, whether you want to admit it or not, HAS embraced the ideas and the political ideologies of the original Left.
Yo there, a Muslim here, and he does have good points. I've actually never been taught to hurt someone if they said something bad abt god or whoever, cus all I've been told is "they have their own self you have yours, let god judge whoever is on the right/wrong". I've seen a lot of Muslims from the middle east who try to follow the rules of Islam without even understanding them, and some even use to rules that are put there to keep the country together, but the funny thing is that those rules are put in for ppl 2000 years ago, so they don't work today, and it even says in the Quran if we find better ways in life we should follow them, that's why god gave us the freedom to do whatever we want. I think a lot of ppl call it Islam, but in reality, is just their culture, not Islam.
yup and we in Christianity also have a lot about keeping your road to salvation and not spending time on others even if you think you want only to bring them to yours
I disagree. In this case Islam and culture coincide. I understand your view that the soft form of the religion you follow is the correct one, but your religion literally declares you an apostate for doing so. I think that this issue can only be resolved via Muslims having an honest discussion amongst themselves … an honesty that admits to the existence of the dark parts of the religion.
@@Kafirman666 The attacker is influenced by Hizbullah which is Sheiate. Still, there is not a single verse in Quran that pushes or ask muslims to fight people who disagree with a muslim in any point of view.
I enjoyed the segment. It makes a great statement and impact (hopefully). I just wish the production direction kept the Straw Man in the shot for the duration. I'm no television producer so I can't say what is most simple or best for editing, but I do know that Maher made a great argument, both metaphorically and literally. I just wish the absurdity of what he is arguing against remained in vision the whole time.
That is the problem with free speech, sometimes you agree with someone and other times you don't. But no matter how much you disagree with someone you still have to protect their right to speak. Now where I draw the line is when people just outright lie, and calling them out on it is not infringing on their right to free speech, it's known as calling it what it is: a pack of lies!
But that is a stawman arguement it seems because I don't see him going after election deniers. He spends most his time going after the left lately. Grouping everyone into a single category. He doesn't speak for me one bit. I never made any of his claims or those responsible for them myself and consider myself liberal. But now it seems i'm part of it using his logic.
@@funnyguy8728 I'm with you but I understand his point of view; he's basically a liberal libertarian who believes in free speech but not at the expense of common sense.
Good episode! Pretty much on the money. Was reading an article recently which described American enthusiasm as cartoonish. The author did not go so far, but he might have said the same for American values--so much hyperbole and so little meaning.
He is not a keyboard warrior he is a real warrior so true. Salman Rushdie had several assassination attempts and death threats, including a fatwa calling for his death issued by Ruhollah Khomeini the supreme leader of Iran since 1988. Finally some coward got to him and I hope he recovers back to heath soon.
I strongly disagree with perhaps 30% of the views that Maher has. But he is probably my favorite political commentator. And, he is the only comedian who talks about politics who is funny. For comparison, see Colbert and Kimmel. Check out the last 800 "jokes" they have told. None of them are more sophisticated than saying "my political opponents are poopoo pants". That is literally the structure of every "joke" that they tell. Being a Jester and propagandist for an Authoritarian government is very lucrative.
I have stopped watching their shows for a while, their jokes have become too 1-sided and shallow. I want someone like Bill who has the gut to criticize and make fun of all sides.
At 62 years of age, I have developed a method for recognizing when i'm speaking with a purposeful lazy thinker. It's the moment they proudly proclaim, "But what about..." as an actual thought.
As a Muslim I agree with Bill's intent and content but I would add that there are two groups of people that make this problem the way it is. The first are Muslims who have a inferiority complex and become defensive or sympathize with people like the stabbing suspect in hopes to avoid hard answers about members in our community who pull stuff like this. They definitely use a straw man argument in many arguments. Trust me, I've been in one before. Then there is group two who have antagonistic view of Islam and Muslims and wait for moments like this to bring up their views about Islam. They neither ask whether the suspect had other issues (some indications are he was living an Incel life which is Unislamic) and rarely if ever do they point out Muslims who do the opposite of what this man did including Muslim doctors, therapist, dentists, and remained very silent when two Muslim were responsible for the first Covid-19 vaccine. They have an ax to grind and unfinished business. Both groups feed off of each other and intoxicate the discussion that slides into useless bantering over ideological turf.
@@bit1733 When a person or group, which I was referring to, minimizes or dismisses exceptions to the argument "Islam harbors terrorist' that is more than a strawman argument, its cognitive dissonance, changing the subject, and ideological folklore. They are answering a question they asked themselves.
The only issue that this guy had is that he was radicalized by your religion. I’d be saying the same thing if it was a Christian. Unfortunately for you and other Muslims this is all too common in your religion though. I don’t know what your point is about Muslims and the Covid vaccine. Many people that believe in fairy tales make contributions to science and the world so why do we have to praise Muslims every time they do it. When a Christian contributes to a drug do people say “that Christian man created a vaccine for polio that saved millions of children”?
When a terrorist tell us that they were motivated by their religious beliefs , we should believe them. Especially when it is so easy to fond support for their actions in the text of their religion.
@Aaron Correct. And before anyone challenges you and goes "But what about the bible, it's violent too, yes, and if someone says he killed someone because of what the bible says he wouldn't be treated any less harshly.
I don't agree with any religion. But as long as you don't try to force it on me, you can believe whatever you want. I won't hate you. Because your religious beliefs don't effect my life. This is how everyone should feel.
Consistently islamphobic, he will never call out usa and Israel bombing the Middle East and fueling extremism, usa backs Islamic extremists in Syria and xinjiang
@@Christie_Love and here i am hoping for a bit of back and forth leading to some funny if not enlightening moments and you go and choose a side already making it nasty honestly did you not just see this clip like i did. what your doing is just sad.
I left the GOP in 2015 after the nomination and was pretty frightened to be adrift among what I was always taught liberals are like, but having a Maher to point out the insanity at the extreme ends of every social spectrum is what gave me the last bit of assurance I needed to never look back.
"gave me the last bit of assurance I needed to never look back." That's unfortunate. Seems you have made a choice to deliberately blind yourself to meaningful arguments and instead will take whatever the left tells you. At the moment, liberty and choice is pretty much confined to Republicans; mandates are pretty much confined to Democrats. It is built into the word; Demos. The people will choose what you do. Not you choose for yourself.
One can respect traditional cultures while at the same time never giving up on modern values like freedom of expression. Freedom of expression (and numerous other bits out of the Bill of Rights) have to be fought for every generation.
No. The traditional culture of islam mean Violence, Oppression, Silence of Speech and Subjugation. Islam means submission ie slavery. It deserves the same respect as Nazism and KKK Ideologies.
It is important to take the magical thinking out of tradition and culture. Religion is intertwined with every old culture, but it is important to try and untangle them a bit to be able to value and protect culture without pushing brutal Bronze Age stupidity.
@@texajp1946 are you crazy? Acts of war are not terror it makes perfect sense that ukraine tried to kill one of the policy makers and his daughter was hardly an innocent. Where is your outrage for the women and children of ukraine?
Jones Jack thanks for proving my point, the dugins are civilian journalists and philosophers, not government employees or policy makers, roger waters and Henry Kissinger are on that Ukrainian hit list website too along with many other journalists that have been critical of azov and the Kiev regime
So I am one of those Mormons, and when the musical hit Broadway, the church sent missionaries to the theater and bought ads in the bill saying things like "You've seen the play, now read the book" or "The book is always better" or "our version is slightly different." I will admit having not seen it, and have some issue with it personally, but when South Park had their Mormon episode when I was in high school, it opened up a lot of questions from friends which I was able to answer. In order to be tolerant, we have to risk being offended. In order to communicate and learn and change, we have to risk being offended AND offensive. Otherwise how can we challenge people to grow?
@@racerx4152 cool story, bro! I like how you commented on a video regarding actually addressing topics and engaging in actual discourse, you failed to provide any evidence, and in no way honestly debated. I think you missed the point of the video.
With a straw man argument, the "straw man" is not the person making the argument, it is the fictitious person being argued against. So Bill Maher bringing a straw man on means that he is the one making the straw man arguments.
The only intelligent thing Boris Johnson ever said: "Have you ever strugled through to the end of one of Salman Rushdie's books? Neither have I. And neither, I bet, did the Ayhatollah"
This would have been a lot better if Bill hadn't started it by setting up his own strawman, "liberals." What liberals? I never heard a mainstream liberal make the kind of statement that he's fussing over. This is why I rarely watch his show any more. Between his smugness and the constant interruptions of applause, it's become tedious.
Man. Prop comedy can be really tough to pull off. But Bill does this in awesome form in this clip!! I’m excited to see if he levels up to ventriloquism in the near future. 😂
The only concern I have at the moment is that our friend Mr Salman Rushdie makes a full and speedy recovery. He is a good and decent man who has an educated opinion on all things Muslim. If anything he is most likely going to pick up right where he was terribly interrupted. All this event did was strenghten his point of debate. I salute you Mr. Rushdie. Speedy recovery to you Sir.👍🙂
Yeah, though I'm seeing more and more how stupid he is. After he dies, someone should make a caricature of him like was made for his great grandfather Soren Kirkegaard (look him up; he's the theological idiot who came up with "truth is whatever you make it" and "take a leap of faith"). Then people can up with a saying "Don't be a Straw Man" to mean don't be stupid, similar to "Don't be a Soren".
Straw man actually a type of red herring. Both fall under the category of informal fallacies of relevance--almost all informal fallacies are relevance fallacies, and many overlap.
It's funny how Bill Maher uses other argument fallacies while trying to point out the straw man fallacy😂😂😂 It's also funny how it took him this long to educate his audience about argument fallacies when he has been using them for countless years 😅😅😅 This just shows how most Americans need to start taking reasoning courses at an early age.
Where is condemnation of deadly Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Alexander and Dariya Dugin? The small coverage it got on usa msm the commentators were practically giddy, and the comment section filled with liberals justifying it. Also usa is supporting Islamic extremists in Syria and xinjiang, attack on Rushdie was probably a massad operation to derail Iran nuclear deal
I always love the confusion of the crowd as to when they should clap and roar. Sometimes it seems like they have no clue what the topic is about based on a momentary pause, but make the random decision to clap or boo. Haha shit is funny af
You can tell the attack on Rushdie has affected Maher greatly. In the past 18 months, we’ve lost Norm McDonald, PJ O’Rourke, Bob Saget, Louis Anderson, and Gilbert Gotfried. Bill was friends (or at the very least was acquaintances) with all of them. The thought of losing Salman to such a heinous attack is probably very difficult for him.
Rich Perez so condemn the Ukrainian terrorist attack on Russian journalist and philosopher, also many other people are on this Ukrainian hit list web site, east to bash Muslims, way more politically incorrect to criticize Ukraine
Bill is just doing his typical anti Islam anti Iran schtick, Where is condemnation of deadly Ukrainian terrorist attack on Alexander and Dariya Dugin? The small coverage it got on usa msm the commentators were practically giddy, and the comment section filled with liberals justifying it. Also usa is supporting Islamic extremists in Syria and xinjiang, attack on Rushdie was probably a massad operation to derail Iran nuclear deal
Don't be delusional Bill - Liberals don't hate you when you speak against "Christianity", you've been doing so for almost your entire career! Go - criticize Christianity & see if the same liberals that are against you when you speak against Islam are going to say the same thing! You seem to not factor something vital here - in this fallen state: religion is not a problem, Christianity is. You are against religion & to you - that means Christianity is part of "religion" that you hate...You assuming that it is acceptable to hate religion (bcz you've gotten away with it for so long going against Christianity) is error & you'll see one day...
Technically Bill's example about Smart Phones was technically a Non Sequitur, but still glad to see that Bill Maher is attacking strawman arguments (no pun 😉🤣).
I'm going to say it's neither. The position was "Technology makes our lives easier" and it's logical to point out "Not everyone's lives." But toddlers? That's exaggeration. That's just humor. It's not a strawman if nobody actually thinks that you are being serious. Anyway it's good to debate the fallacies, sharpens the wit.
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It’s nice to see he invited Ben Affleck back on the show.
Too accurate🤣🤣🤣
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Damn, you beat me to it. Lol
omg yes 😆
"We can't have exceptions for violence based on religion." Spot. On.
fundamentalism combined with terrorism isn't specifically limited to islam, as we're waking up to find right here in america. we ignore that at our peril.
@@vinsanity40k Oh, so you ignore the violence of far right wing Christians?
@@alexandradaniele umm, read my post again. carefully. "isn't...limited to islam"
Seriously? Seriously? So which middle eastern country should you bomb this time ? An iranian dude does an assasination attempt. And Bill Maher is out there to discuss "We should condemn bad ideas of islam". I have read salman rushdie book a decade back, and I found it average. And I am sure millions and millions of muslims have read it too. If one guy with a muslim name is good enough to spark a debate about muslim extremism, what about me, should it start a debate about muslim tolerance ? It is the definition of strawman argument. I mean if after every white supremacist attack, media comes and starts discussing " well we know all white guys aren't terrorists, but what is wrong with white genes ? I mean I and hundreds of millions of muslims like me who consider themselves to be devoted muslims and don't consider about killing people for their views, our islam isn't somehow islam ???? Only the islam of extremists represents TRUE islam??? My islam is deviant islam???
Yes, I get really offended when someone deliberately degrades my religious figures.
Yes, I think homosexuality, fornication and adultery is a sin.
But would I resort to violence??? A big no, just less than one percent of muslims actually resorts to violence, BUT their islam somehow represents ISLAM, and the ISLAM of 99% is not true islam. Well, i guess Jew bill maher and Jew sam harris somehow understand true islam, and I have been fooled by my teachers and parents my whole life.
Question the commitment to non-violence of millions of american muslims by actions of one lunatic is bigotry,
I dare bill maher to debate on crime in black communities, or high frequency of high profile jewish sex offenders in me too movement. Would he ? Because you just can't judge 99% for action of 1%. But somehow for muslims, few lunatics going buck wild every year, automatically makes whole religion as complicit.
And I know exactly why, Every decade US elite gets horny for some muslim lives in middle east, be it iraq, libya, syria, or palastine, and the shepherds need to portray muslim as "The barbarians" to the herd so that their blood sells cheap.
Bill maher and his ilk is despicable. So are you.
I mean, you are finally getting " white male toxicity" kinda bullshit now too. You media is just making your brain rot more intense. And keep you ready to support next invasion for democratic values in middle east.
Fcuking noobs, no wonder your civilization has degenerated beyond repair. You are good sheep.
What violence
Without straw man arguments, our politicians wouldn’t know what to say
@Clyde3 Link to the clip part 2
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The definition of Strawman fallacy as displayed by Bill at here is very much ambiguous. It had originated from strawmans being used by farmers in old days which were confusing the birds for actual humans to keep them away.. Same happens in a strawman argument wherein the statement made by the opposite party is deliberately misrepresented to be otherwise and an attempt is made to refute that statement which hasn't actually been made by the opposite party and it is pretended as if the actual statement made by the other party had been refuted.
Yep. Completely agree.
Nice straw man
So what’s the difference between red herring and strawman arguments?
I can imagine the look on the intern’s face: “Bill needs you to build a straw man. No, not a bad argument. He literally needs a straw man. Go buy a bale of straw. I hope your sculpting talent is better than your coffee-making skills.”
He did a great job! ...exactly as flimsy-looking as the arguments defending Islamic radicalism. Bill is right (about religion)...
Arguably Straw Man is the biggest celebrity on the internet, everyone uses his arguments all the time!
Bill is literally straw-manning this. Having an argument that 3 people on twitter are having. Bill's lost it and it's a sad watch.
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@@slmaul dude, thats the whole idea of talk shows .. 🙄 like Fox's characters.. they're not all journalists.
Why are you watching then? Just curious
The most famous "man" no one's ever heard of lol
Thats why he brought him on!
When the play "The Book of Mormon" was on Broadway, technically the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could have sued since "The Book of Mormon" is copyrighted. Instead, they chose to take out advertisements on the playbill and on cabs all over New York that said things like "You've seen the play, now read the book" or "The book was better." Hilarious response.
And who can say this wasn't a better response? Certainly more civilized. For sure cleverer. Violence stinks of, "I could not THINK of anything else to do." The Mormons were clever. That is worthy of respect. Salman's attacker is an argument for Islamophobia. And a damn good one.
Which is why, as bad as Christianity is and has been, Islam is now surely worse.
You don't know how copyright works.
@@xhagast A phobia is an unreasonable fear. Fearing Islam isn't unreasonable.
Since your brought that up, interesting how you can have a whole Broadway show making fun of Mormonism and no one stabs Trey Parker or Matt Stone, or blows up their cars. But draw a picture of Mohammad and its very likely your office gets firebombed.
The Strawman has got to be a permanent guest. Slap a speaker in the head underneath and have it yell out random arguments. Be funny every time.
Bill was on fire!!!
Absolute must as recurring guest 😎
Yes, YES!
I agree throw some sunglasses on him
YES
I would have to say Bill is a dying breed. He’s the only one on TV right now who seems to literally speak his mind with no thought about who he offends with his honesty. It’s so refreshing that he hasn’t changed in all these years and I’m saying this as someone who didn’t used to care for him but realizing how much I appreciate his perspective. Thank you, Bill, really.
Greg Gutfield is the same. Even better actually.
More important than speaking one's mind, he's capable of nuance. He doesn't present issues with a reductionist perspective. Politicians and voters from both parties distort what the other is saying. Until we learn to present our values with more precise and nuanced messaging, this country will remain sharply polarized.
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You are correct. The breed is true liberal.
yeah, you're totally right! kinda like the last survivor of cancel culture, IMHO.
Bill just reliving his time with Ben Affleck via a straw character.
excellent point!!! But, the strawman is a wee bit more intelligent than Affleck
Ben is more wood than straw, specially when "acting" .. (he was good in Boiler Room I must say)
Pay attention how Bill Maher NEVER had knowledgeable practicing Muslim on his show and instead uses Ben Aflack and Strawman to speak to because they cant talk back and provide actual correct teachings or arguments.
Ben Affleck is a TOOL 🔧
And yet even this strawman has a bigger brain than his brother Ben.
Bill: "I don't know if you get to the theater a lot..."
Strawman: "Not since Wicker Man."
He goes on a lot of Hay rides, or as he calls them, swingers parties
Bill Mahur defense of his friend was spot on. Speaking out about the attackers of Salmon Rushdie was not just the right thing to do it was also well say. Wishing Salmon Rushdie a safe and speedy recovery ❤️
Wait, we're not sending thoughts and prayers en masse anymore?
He died, this happened more than a decade ago.
@@Megalithovorae -- who supposedly died more than a decade ago? Your response is confusing since no one in the OP is dead. Rushdie is in the hospital. Maher is still alive. And the attacker is in the Chautauqua County Jail.
@@Kevin_Williamson my bad... don't know whereI gotthat idea.
@@Megalithovorae -- must be the Mandela Effect at work. 🙂
There should be a permanent place SOMEWHERE on Bill's set for "Strawman" because that was brilliant...he could be a spiritual symbol on the show of what all guests/debaters should aspire NOT to use when making arguments
Strawmanning, along with other logical fallacies, are so common these days.
You must admit, the straw man made some valid points.
Before claiming the guests should aspire not to use a straw man, it should be the host first who stops using them.
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bill doesn't understand what strawman is, his example was flawed. heis example was a red herring or non sequitur, not a strawman.
Powerful analogy Bill Maher. Defense of free speech should be beyond partisan politics. It should be a stand all Americans should rally to. Without it, first and foremost, all other rights would be non existent.
We have the First Amendment. It protects our speech from government retaliation. There's very few people against that in the US.
Yea and where is condemnation of Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Dugins
@@texajp1946 Putin propaganda doesn't count as free speech.
Guy Souriandt so you are justifying a terrorist attack on a young female civilian journalist just because she was critical of Kiev regime and azov battalion? Free speech only works if it is universal, thanks for proving western hypocrisy, you probably support ban on RT and fell for ghost of Kiev and Iraq wmd too, you are no better than salmon Rushdie attacker
Your statement isn't completely wrong, but this honor goes to the 2nd Amendment and not the 1st Amendment because all other rights are non-existent without the right to keep and bear arms which the 2nd amendment protects and not just without free speech and freedom of/from religion which is protected by the 1st amendment. Charlton Heston and Ted Nugent are/were very outspoken about this fact.
I'm glad that someone on television has the balls to say this.
Muslim women like Asra Nomani should be given a chance to have a say in this.
"Angels on Earth -- Love Letter to Lily", Asra Nomani, YT.
I couldn't interest you in checking out, leaving a comment and giving the thumbs-up, could I ?
This brave and dignified Muslim woman could teach us all how to become open-minded.
@@simonebest6013 Some. I suspect most of Bill's primary audience are closer to the center than the political fringes. Speaking honestly about the liabilities of Islam is rarer on the left than it should be. That fear of being branded a racist on social media is cancel culture manifest.
@@frankgradus9474 you don't understand Islam and it's core beliefs.
@@josm1481 No worries - Asra Nomani does, and can teach you. Check her out.
@@frankgradus9474 you can't get away from the core Islamic beliefs that the Koran and Muhammad are perfect. These core beliefs will always be a problem. In particular, Muhammad was a slave trading r*pist who married a child and encouraged his followers to take married women as sex slaves.
It's therefore impossible to condemn such clearly vile acts without undermining core beliefs of Islam. And duly moderate Ms only seek to mitigate this by adding caveats etc. They can't say slavery is immoral and an appalling act, they simply provide restrictions on conditions of slavery to make it seem more acceptable.
Strawman Arguments happen so often that it's hard to tell the difference between actual information and details and what is actually going on. And if we're making progress or not.
Strawman arguments have become so common that the majority of people (maybe in the range of 90%) think they constitute a valid form of argument, and the majority of those people use it as the foundation for almost all of their arguments.
There is a book, “The Seven Fallacies of Debate”, (forgive if that’s not exact), that should be assigned to every high school student. These tactics are being used by our government, and news agencies, and damn near everyone. Straw Man is but one of the seven fallacies. Once you read the book, suddenly you see that almost no one can make a valid point.
Everything is a strawman argument when you pick and choose them out of a wide spectrum of arguments.
The cultural Marxist go-to move.
Strawman arguments are harder to acknowledge by people who don’t know what they are in the first place.
Silvano Fardos is not only brave, but totally heartbroken. My heart goes out to her. Her son may never understand what he has done, unless his handlers let him go.
It takes years to get to trial. And he may be out in 20 years. Maybe less. I hope he mellows.
Rob Reiner laughing uncomfortably knowing he's the exact person Bill is talking about in this segment.
Much of his audience are the exact kind of people that Bill is talking about.
@@jl696 100
Rob Reiner and his father Carl made a living out of comedy that made the status quo uncomfortable. Just because Rob was a liberal back in the day doesn’t make him a woke douche today.
So true
Says “the strawman”
"We both know what would happen if you tried to put on a show called the book of Muhammad."
That's the unfortunate part because Matt and Trey have made several South Park episodes about Muhammad and the network censored every single one of them out of fear of retaliation.
Don't try and get on the nerves on these people really let's mind our damn business and that's it.
@@gaming4life788 so that way the win .
I'm not saying you should poke the hornet nest but you should deffenitly consider an exterminator (in that case rasing awarness while also taking actions to protect yourself if needed)
@@gaming4life788 Sounds abusive. "Don't try and hurt my feelings because then I might have to murder you."
@@IridescentW Well do you wanna get killed then? If not then best thing to do is to stay away from them.
As a centrist, I have to say Maher is starting to wake up to the real world. Bravo. Going against your tribe in this day and age is strong.
It is for most people. But together with celebs like JK Rowling or Rogan, Bill is simply rich and independent enough not to care.
Bill has never changed his stance.
Bill has always been aware that “tribal” divisiveness is a non starter.
I’ve been listening to Bill Maher since the 90s… He’s definitely leaning hard to the right in his old age… As most old people do 🤷🏻♂️
Before… Most of his points were valid
Now… Half of his points are valid
Hands down one of Bill's best bits. How about a separate bit like this for every logical fallacy that manipulators use.
*Hey Bill, please bring back strawman, I could see him contributing to your show every now and then, he was quite the guy!*
I second this suggestion! 🙋🏼♀️
LOVED the strawman. Perfect touch!
As long as the guests don't suffer from "hay fever"!
@@larrygarland3728 Hay now, that's a very progressive concern. Keep it up!
He does know when to shut up and LISTEN!
Love the idea of calling out strawman arguments in this hilarious way. Fabulous.
Straw Man was quite the entertaining guest. I just wish he had been less impatient to speak his opinions. 😆
I thought Republicans believed in freedom of speech but God forbid you say anything bad about Trump. Anything short or praising him gets you canceled.
Where ya from ?
I'm with Laurie. Where have you been? And besides, I've been canceled by groups from both political extremes, and I've never been more proud of myself 😀
Don't be afraid of it. Embrace it. The Cancel Club is great! Very liberating. Biden's an idiot. Trump's an idiot. BLM, MAGA, gender-stooges, gun-nuts... they're all fu*ked in the head. Tell them so, and join us.
A much needed edutainment piece. I thank the straw man for his attendance and his very much subtle passive-aggression.
Man shedding lol.
I have been watching Bill(from Sweden) for many many years.Never - and I mean never - in all these years have I found him boring or irrelevant.And I just love him when he does his 'warrior' thing of defending the values of freedom and democracy.This is yet another brilliant expose.
Same here from costa rica
Muslim women like Asra Nomani should be given a chance to have a say in this.
"Angels on Earth -- Love Letter to Lily", Asra Nomani, YT.
I couldn't interest you in checking it out, leaving a comment and giving the thumbs-up, could I ?
This brave and dignified Muslim woman could teach us all how to become open-minded.
By the by, once you're in Sweden - Henrik Jönsson, YT channel, highly recommended.
Same from Russia! But I’ve been watching him just for 6 months. He is very wise and polite person
Same from Hungary, he never disappoints
@@kseniapetrushevskaya1822 In the first place, put out Put-in, Russians, please.
I am an Ex-Muslim, I completely agree with Bill.
Same
I was never a Muslim despite being born into one. But he’s not right, he never criticized Christian or Zionist violence. Look at Palestine, that’s not Muslims creating apartheid in the name of god
So you're saying ALL EX-MUSLIMS AGREE WITH BILL?
@@181cameron yes
@@181cameron obviously no. The arrogance to think people know everyone’s thought and yet criticize a religion for behaving i. The very same way. So like homeboy, it’s about your ability to self analyze and not just condemn others for your lacking.
As a conservative I have always loved your comedy. Love you more and more everyday. God bless you Bill 😉
What irony! Talking about the strawman in front of Mr. Rob "strawman" Reiner? That guy has been attacking anyone right of far left for the last half decade.
I think that was deliberate because Reiner was on the show.
Rob Reiner is insufferable.
75 years old. His father lived to be 98. Looks like we're stuck with meat head 🤡
@@JennyJeong425 And VERY uncomfortable learning what a strawman argument is.
He made some good points, but we'll see how the midterms really turn out. The fascists can still win big.
Another brilliant “New Rules” segment. I don’t always agree with Bill, but he represents American values first & foremost. And that’s what I love about him.
Islamophobia is not an American value.
Yep .. I might not agree with everything he says .. but he has principles and he sticks to them .. principled people are a dying breed .. it's nearly all performative these days ..
@@soulscanner66 did you not hear a single word he said? He just explained strawmanning and you then accomplish as textbook example.
That’s not a good thing in the slightest. American values…. Ya thought that murdering black folk was okie doke. I think you need to reframe your history knowledge.
@@royw-g3120 - The problem is that he makes a false claim that "no one" is making anti-Muslim arguments. This is no straw man. We even have a former president who said repeatedly that "NO Muslim" should be allowed to enter the US.
This is 100% on point. And Bill's dialogue with "Strawman" was hilarious! WAIT, LET ME FINISH !! 😂😂😂😂
This reminded me of his interaction in Religulous with that one Rabbi who kept interrupting lol
It reminds me of how gang related violence is reduced to gun violence. As though we only have gangs, poverty, crime and drugs because we have guns. It’s like calling Rushdie a victim of knife violence. Looking to the root cause of such things demands discussing difficult and inherently challenging truths that are easily scapegoated into ‘offensive speech’.
The reason those arguments get people so fired up is because we haven’t done anything about guns. It’s like putting the cart before the horse. Figuring out the root cause of lots of violence can happen in a more sane way after we have taken care of the gun situations. These arguments are delayed gun reform for decades so it gets people fired up
That's too logical..next
What I love about Bill is his direct and often devastating verbalism, without drifting into vulgarity.
"..., you're useless" - ouch, but true.
uh, more often than not, he drops f bombs. But hey, free speech.
@@johnlott518 What I wouldn't give for some people to understand, that freedom of peach doesn't mean you can say whatever the hell you want.
@@chenzen1578 freedom of peach? 🍑
Freedom of speech protects only against government censorship. Period.
Vulgarity?! Lmao, they are just words....ffs
Bill Mahr always does a fantastic job of bringing people down to reality. Just because we have different viewpoints, doesn't mean we can't have an intelligent discussion and agree to disagree. Everything has gotten so extreme. Everything is taken to that next level. I just love that bill brings it back down where it needs to be.
Yea but our very liberties are in danger, our ability to choose our own leaders. Where is the common ground, please tell me.
Where is the intelligence
@@mikemorris1512 - the fact that you imply a lack of intelligence because you don't like what's said says more about *you* than it does about Bill or his guests.
Seriously! He says things that are common sense. I disagree with almost all of his politics but he at least calls out common sense.
can't fix it unless we talk about it. Also, lets not forget republicans have cancel culture, don't like our view or trump? Goodbye career.
_"Bill, it's 2 AM. Where do you expect us to find straw before tomorrow morning? Bill? Bill? I swear, if you don't stop giggling, I'll quit."_
Greatest scene to come out of this show in years !!!!!
LOVED IT :D
Keep it coming Bill :)))))))
The irony of Meathead laughing along when he literally used a strawman argument during the Hunter Biden segment.
Nah hunter biden lives rent free in coservatives' head and I fucking love it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
That mother truly deserves the support and praise for standing firm and strong in a very unimaginable situation it's nightmarish truly and she bravely is making a very serious point with standing tall and being firm in the wake of an unthinkable horrific reality she's having to face and to live with and how devastating to have to make such a choice and public statement as a mother I hurt for her truly and I hope she'll be backed and be able to lean on her community in complete support she needs and has earned , I have no doubts she loves her son still but knowing how evil that act he tried committing was and the cost of his choices made this brave woman make the most damnable unimaginably hard decision to speak out against her son to stand firm on that and you completely cut him off because he is not remorseful and refuses to acknowledge the wrong that he has tried that he committed in attempting to murder someone no matter who they were made her look at her morals and made her realize what she had to do, I hold her in thoughts and prayers for her peace and comfort and for her son to be helped and maybe undo the brainwashing damage done by radicalism.
@Clyde3 Link to the clip part 2
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@@sarahhoeppner9349 Thanks for the heads up!
Good segment. Don’t know why but I think it’s cool they actually made a literal straw man
Prayers for salmon rushdie! I can't believe more people haven't spoken out about his attack.
* Salman
Holy Liberal Arts, Batman! This is textbook masterclass of comedy perfection. There is so much going on at once here. The genius stroke was the inspired choice to have a literal Straw-man manifested in physical form for Bill to play off of. Not only did it conjure a literal visual representation of a figurative term, but it elevated the now tired old argument Mr Maur roleplays of having to defend one's self in social discussions with the same cliche extreme jumping to conclusions disingenuous interruptions. I didn't realize till this heightened dramatization just how universally played out this dead end argument really is. But, the mere ridiculousness of the play acting exercise with a literal Straw-man prop truly brings home the utter ridiculousness of the actual Straw-man troupe when used in real life situations. This achieves a perfect balance of the hire wire act that is high-end, high-art comedy. When the comedian is, at heart, an observationalist first and then able to find the humor and absurdity of any given situation. This skit, this brilliant bit and piece of business here, is the ultimate example of achieving this end-game whole-heaetedly with pitch-perfect comedic precision. And Bill Maur is such an Elder statesman of comedy so well-established that we just take for granted his greatness, but if this were preformed by a new up and coming comic we'd praise them for their fresh hot take and that there was a pure new voice in the theatre of yuks. Bill's young at heart status is legacy.
First off define literal. Had you used actual strawman. Slow the fan boy roll.
Enjoying your new thesaurus?
@@quantumphaser He didn’t even use any crazy vocabulary words. Why is everyone shitting on him?
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Articulate and intellectual reply…for a moment I forgot I was on an Internet forum. Thank you!
Being a liberal is about accepting and respecting the right for other people to express different opinions.
A lot of people that call themselfs liberals, go completely against this principle, they are no more than woke activists that demand people to think the same way as them.
Good that there are still people like Bill Maher, that are true liberals.
That's because new age liberals are collectivist marxists who double as self-imposed speakers of people they deemed oppressed. Wannabe hippy heroes for a day and bigoted hypocrites. They are everything they claim to speak against.
CRT and book banning has entered the chat.
@@sentientflower7891 That's the right but make no mistake that the Left is incapable of free speech.
@@thespitefulartist who is banning books and forbidding doctors to say "abortion"?
The U.S. Constitution is a very liberal document. Liberals own the Constitution. U.S. conservatives are conservative to a completely liberal framework.
Bill knew what Rob Reiner was going to do. This segment is hilariously timed.
EDIT: Holy crap. Rob Reiner was actually sitting at the table for this segment?!? He actually heard all of this and still made a fool of himself being a living , breathing, large straw man.
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Lol bruh
The fact you had to define straw-man arguments shows how badly educated most Americans are in rational thought and debate. We should learn all this stuff in middle and high school, but even most college students have zero patience for philosophical concepts
The subject matter is Strawman and then you type this comment. The irony. Plus you made an assumption based on bias.
The fact that he defined it indicates that he is a good journalist or at least trying to be one. The very basics of journalism when reporting or analysing is to assume that the viewer/audience doesn't know what you're talking about. He did right by defining. Good Journalistic skills are an art and science getting lost with the wind because of the ease social media and platforms such as RUclips offer to every Tom, Dick and Susan to post a video online. Everyone thinks they are journalists now just because theyve got good graphic and visual aid skills, yet they are merely mediocre and they are "nornalizing" poor journalism as a standard.
Even though this show is an American show, it has a large international audience. You can bet and you'd win if put forth the statement that many many people all over the world don't know what it means.
Never the less, just because you know something, don't get cocky with an air of superiority. There probably much you don't know that others in other places learnt in high school or primary.
Always assume a spirit of humility when it comes to educating others.
@@kamu747 the op specifically makes a comment about American education and he’s somehow wrong due to this show having an international audience? How very entitled of you. “Journalism” is dead as now it is tabloid anonymous reporting when historically nothing would be printed without three independent,y verified sources. That’s journalism 101.
But yes let’s assume more humility and be victimized by regressive tolerance even more. Because Strawman says so!
You mean Straw Persons. Pronouns, Wheat/Chaff
Oh, no. They learn it. They know what it is. They just don't care. Education isn't the problem. The fact of the matter is, a lot of people are hacks who refuse to make honest arguments. We need to start explicitly shaming that sort of behavior.
@@Shark-hn4mv Yeah that's true. Conservatives knowingly abuse strawman arguments and projection as a strategy. They don't have any valid arguments or good policies so they have to rely on deception, distraction, hyperbole and mischaracterization. This is used in almost every debate by the Right.
For example, when even the mildest forms of gun control legislation is discussed, Republicans immediately run to saying "They're gonna abolish the second amendment" which is obviously a gross overstatement. Every belief on the Right is formed out of Fascist ideology so these underhanded tactics have been perfected to a propaganda art form. Just watch FOX NEWS essentially brainwashing bigoted rednecks armed with AR-15s to hate everyone who isn't a Trump supporter. Great message to spread huh?
I see a lot of straw man responses to tweets and comments on RUclips, and I think this quote is one reason why:
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something that he can understand." - Bertrand Russell
That's probably also the reason why Bill and his writers apparently mistook the one making the argument for the straw man, when it is the argument itself that is the straw man.
@@Doomchild2XL Wonder what Bertrand thought of people who don't get jokes.
@@Doomchild2XL "jokes must be literal"
Great statement, but needs compression. What about *_tRump lovers love bull-shitting themselves._* ? Bringing tRump to the table looks like straw-manning, but Trump-lover=stupid-man; "love" carries a lot of unconscious background, and bs is to disregard accuracy to favor nonsense.
I always applaud Bill and his commitment to free speech. Without this, there is no true freedom, for an unspoken opinion for fear of reprisal is a mind held hostage. Speak what you think, allow others the same, and somewhere we might just grow a little and tolerate our differences, and realize occasionally, our similarities...
Bill is an advocate for free speech? Did you do to many drugs? Or are you currently high all the time. Because he hates free speech when it doesn’t suit him. Hunter Biden’s laptop. Convinced his followers it was 100% Russian propaganda. We knew then, like we know now, that is was 100% true. Not disinformation. He never apologized for being wrong. And he still runs currently with that story. You clearly have no intellectual capacity for anything other than your next fix. How about you just focus on your pharmaceuticals and how much you can take before an overdose. Because you sound ridiculous.
Free speech? 😂
Andrew Tate got cancelled for speaking freely. Funny how Bill Maher did not mention it or liberals DEFEND Andrew.Free speech is nothing but big lie.
@@keksi6844 your comment is shadow banned
That's why I always speak freely about the future ethnostate.
Very good, well thought out and well executed bit. Good Job everyone. Since you’ve returned to your old form of calling out politicians and media, I have really been enjoying your show. Your voice against the woke left is very valuable and I appreciate you.
Can people please stop using the term "woke left"? It's not only obscenely overused, it's terrible grammar.
There’s also the whatabotist right. Politics is a spectrum, not a sport. Quit treating it as a reality competition.
@@commandercaptain4664 left also does whataboutism come to India you'll see
Legend has it that straw man got his training and tactics of debating from Ben Affleck himself.
I was hoping they would put a Ben Affleck mask on him. Or at least a Batman mask lol
That legend word has been overused ad nauseam
Love it. Absolutely priceless. Especially “Salman Rushdie isnt a keyboard warrior. Hes a real warrior.”
Yeah. And so is Bill Maher - saying that kind of thing comes with real danger, and he would know that. But he said it anyway. True courage.
Nothing to do with a mentality of Straw Man (genius of Bill to invite him to the table) yet I felt a bit a pang, a slam of sorts and felt the need to remind us all that warriors come in all shapes, sizes, are women, men, children, and from all walks of life. Some have major impact on a country at large or on the world as a whole. Others might simply, quietly plant trees, or rescue children, animals or lonely people from harm. Some speak up. Some bless others with needed hugs. They don’t complain - they are the doers, courageous with a greater purpose than themselves , a passionate calling for a greater quality of Life for the many.
I was one Keyboard Warrior amongst many during the #Standing Rock crisis and oh how I so wanted to be physically present with nearly my all my heart - I say “nearly” because the grandchildren in my care needed me too and they have my whole heart. My “job” is to teach them to do better than me.
I, in part wanted to go and be present, on the-ground, fully participate on the ground to teach the children about follow through, show them the importance of having one’s hands and feet match their mouth, their words. Yet, if I was not herewith them, for them, if I did not return to them - many Water Protectors died or are severely damaged by the DAPL COUGH - who then would be their Grandmother and caregiver if I did not return?
The late great Native American Professor, activist, #WaterProtector, filmmaker of Awake: A Dream from Standing Rock, journalist, drone pilot, and a phenomenal wayshower and teacher to us all, Myron Dewey of the Paiute Nation very often gave accolades and expressed great appreciation to the Keyboard Warriors for their assistance in tracking, instant research for much needed information and for their sharing of the travesties experienced by the Feet-on-the-ground protectors in real time. He let us know we were invaluable for the fight against the Dakota Access Pipeline. I was humbly honored to serve in this way, to be part of the connection to and with all the Water and Earth Protectors and for the opportunity to share this purposeful action with my grands.
Myron Dewey, jailed, his life often threatened, was founder of Digital Smoke Signals. He was killed on a secluded highway in September 2021 and as the LA Times wrote
“…the 49-year-old had posted footage on Twitter a day earlier from a central Nevada military installation where he and other members of local tribes have long protested the proposed expansion of a U.S. Navy bombing range” and the mining of lithium which was poisoning the water of local tribes.
I do indeed fully appreciate what Bill was saying in that Salman Rushdie is not a keyboard warrior, that he is indeed a real warrior and yet with all due respect he is a writer/author/warrior who needed tools for expression and the assistance of those who love and support him, as well a keyboard.
Many Blessings to you all. I pray for Mr Rushdie’s full recovery and for the cause of journey lived well by Myron Dewey to live on!
More like a real chair
Such a warrior that he got fucked up and didn’t even fight back.
@@aSkyDaughter Way to make it about it yourself. Congratulations.
Okay, Bill: Nobody whatsoever among the liberals is justifying or excusing the violence. But we do remember when you spent years applauding and supporting torture and the Iraq war. And if you want to compare Muslim violence with American violence it is August and Hiroshima and Nagasaki are fresh in our mind, and aside from that we remember that the USA and Britain loved dousing women and children with napalm during World War II. Remember?
WWII is not fresh in anyone’s mind
I believe this is known as "whataboutism"
@@srkh8966 have you forgotten the Iraq wars, the torture memos and the missiles dropped upon wedding parties?
@@pauls6897 Christians are allowed to murder anyone, amirite? We don't have thousands of nuclear missiles because Christians are so very peaceful and love civilians so much. Aside from that even on the day of the attack the balance of violence West vs. East was vastly on the side of the West against the East since the USA and Europe finance and arm murderous dictators prone to killing Muslims in their own countries so as to control the resources.
@@sentientflower7891 Are you arguing for or against violence
Kudos to Bill for bringing straw man because he is very busy around the Internet.
Where ya from ?
That's actually a non sequitur argument- or translated, 'it does not follow'. A Straw Man is when you misrepresent your opponents argument to be WEAKER than it actually is- and not to add irrelevant premises to their argument.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
@@ElazarusWills So it is falsely setting up an argument, which is often weaker than the person's true argument, but not always. It could be the straw man is exaggerated or simpler or just different from the actual argument or position.
i was hoping someone esle was going to point out that his examples were not straw man
I don't think you're right. This is the correct usage of "straw man". If you and I are having a debate about an issue and I am having trouble defending my position, I will misrepresent your position not necessarily to something weaker, but to something DIFFERENT that I will have an easier time debating against. If you say "Islamic fundamentalism is bad because it promotes terrorism, it is anti democratic, anti free speech and preaches against gay rights and woman's rights" , and I am a liberal and I know that you are correct in what you are saying, and technically I should agree with you because Islamic fundamentalism represents everything that liberals like myself have been fighting against for hundreds of years, but I can't agree with you because you might be a conservative and I can never be seen agreeing with a conservative, I will straw man you and accuse you of Islamiphobia because it is easier for me to win a debate against a bigot than with someone that is making good arguments that I can't rationally disagree with. I have turned your position into what I want it to be, instead of what it actually is. I have in a sense, created you, just like a farmer creates a straw man. Isn't that what Bill is talking about here?
Excellent segment, Bill. It's fascinating to see how free speech HAS been under attack in recent years, ESPECIALLY from Americans. The use of speech has been attributed to some form of verbal "violence" if it happens to hurt someone's subjective "feelings", whereas ACTUAL violence (in many cases) has actually been applauded or even dismissed by the SAME people that claim that words ARE violence. The utter idiocy of this, the sheer hypocrisy of this, is beyond ludicrous. But, as you pointed out, when FACTS are used, then strawman arguments abound. The Left (and Rob Reiner, I don't know why you seem to laugh at what Bill said, because YOU are okay with silencing people, a.k.a NOT allowing them to use their Constitutional Right to Free Speech, that disagrees with your political and ideological views!), have been using strawman tactics for some time now. Especially the Main Stream Media. It's sad, and to be honest, it does NOTHING but keep divisions between people who, politics and ideologies aside, would otherwise probably get along. But, then again, isn't division the actual goal of politics and political ideologies today? Keep the people divided, because it serves to benefit the political "elites"!
But when I use this same argument about murderous cops and how minorities are treated in this country I get I’m anti- police or unamerican by people on the right. Isn’t it the same thing? The left doesn’t have a monopoly on Straw man arguments. The right started this shit.
Right wingers of today do not infringe on the right to free speech/expression of others because atleast as of now, no right winger calls for blasphemy to be a crime, which staunch atheists like Bill Maher do commit every now and then. Leftists are the ones who infringe upon this right because the bullshit of cancel culture resulting into censorship has emanated from ideological left and not from ideological right.
You mean like the butthurt some people got when Hillary Clinton called them Deplorables?
I was scanning through this long drivel for the words "the left" and i was not disappointed.
@@vidyanandbapat8032 As an atheist myself, I thought that fellow atheists would be the STAUNCHEST supporters of free speech, but alas, I was wrong. The fact is that a LOT of atheists are VERY "left" of politics. Just look at the recent comments from Sam Harris, and even Matt Delahunty. Brilliant when it comes to arguing AGAINST religion and religious indoctrination, but so far on the Left that they're okay with censoring people and ideas that does not fit their political narrative.
But you're correct, the free speech loving Left of yesteryear has been replaced with extreme Left ideologies that cannot STAND the opinions of the Right that they actually SUPPORT censorship and, even worse, increase Government to apply censorship and/or the eradication of the Right. That was NOT the political Left that I used to be a part of. And the Right of today, whether you want to admit it or not, HAS embraced the ideas and the political ideologies of the original Left.
Yo there, a Muslim here, and he does have good points.
I've actually never been taught to hurt someone if they said something bad abt god or whoever, cus all I've been told is "they have their own self you have yours, let god judge whoever is on the right/wrong".
I've seen a lot of Muslims from the middle east who try to follow the rules of Islam without even understanding them, and some even use to rules that are put there to keep the country together, but the funny thing is that those rules are put in for ppl 2000 years ago, so they don't work today, and it even says in the Quran if we find better ways in life we should follow them, that's why god gave us the freedom to do whatever we want.
I think a lot of ppl call it Islam, but in reality, is just their culture, not Islam.
yup and we in Christianity also have a lot about keeping your road to salvation and not spending time on others even if you think you want only to bring them to yours
ISIS has only done everything Muhammad had done in his life. I guess Muhammad doesn't represent Islam.
the attacker was just following Suna
I disagree. In this case Islam and culture coincide. I understand your view that the soft form of the religion you follow is the correct one, but your religion literally declares you an apostate for doing so. I think that this issue can only be resolved via Muslims having an honest discussion amongst themselves … an honesty that admits to the existence of the dark parts of the religion.
@@Kafirman666 The attacker is influenced by Hizbullah which is Sheiate. Still, there is not a single verse in Quran that pushes or ask muslims to fight people who disagree with a muslim in any point of view.
Bill stated that the guys who rammed the planes into buildings back in 2001 had courage for doing so. I lost respect for him ever since.
Hmm 🤔
I enjoyed the segment. It makes a great statement and impact (hopefully). I just wish the production direction kept the Straw Man in the shot for the duration. I'm no television producer so I can't say what is most simple or best for editing, but I do know that Maher made a great argument, both metaphorically and literally. I just wish the absurdity of what he is arguing against remained in vision the whole time.
He stays on in overtime. So he makes a comeback
@@sloppynyuszi I suppose I should actually use my HBO Max account and not just watch clips on RUclips. Haha😅
I love the use of the straw man joke. Glad he didn’t make the straw man talk, would have been a step too far.
Sounds late night with Colbert
Usually it’s getting him to shut up that’s the trick
That is the problem with free speech, sometimes you agree with someone and other times you don't. But no matter how much you disagree with someone you still have to protect their right to speak. Now where I draw the line is when people just outright lie, and calling them out on it is not infringing on their right to free speech, it's known as calling it what it is: a pack of lies!
But that is a stawman arguement it seems because I don't see him going after election deniers. He spends most his time going after the left lately. Grouping everyone into a single category. He doesn't speak for me one bit. I never made any of his claims or those responsible for them myself and consider myself liberal. But now it seems i'm part of it using his logic.
@@funnyguy8728 I'm with you but I understand his point of view; he's basically a liberal libertarian who believes in free speech but not at the expense of common sense.
Right, and if I choose not to listen to lies and "engage" in dialog with liars, does that mean I'm guilty of "cancel culture"?
@@rjean99 by their definition yes. Mine no
Lying is your right. Just like it is everyone else's and should be.
Good episode! Pretty much on the money.
Was reading an article recently which described American enthusiasm as cartoonish. The author did not go so far, but he might have said the same for American values--so much hyperbole and so little meaning.
The whole time I was eagerly waiting for Bill to name Ben Affleck with a zinger
Ben Affleck is a coward liberal who doesn't stand-up for free speech.
@Clyde Link to the clip part 2
ruclips.net/video/Ed_t6ZdrDK8/видео.html
Affleck would rip his head off- and he knows that
Wow! The sculptor that made this straw figure of Ben Affleck is very talented, they're virtually identical
It's a red herring, not a straw man @ 1:30
Glad to see Bill is still sane after the 180 the media has done.
180? More like spinning in circles.
He is not a keyboard warrior he is a real warrior so true. Salman Rushdie had several assassination attempts and death threats, including a fatwa calling for his death issued by Ruhollah Khomeini the supreme leader of Iran since 1988. Finally some coward got to him and I hope he recovers back to heath soon.
I strongly disagree with perhaps 30% of the views that Maher has. But he is probably my favorite political commentator. And, he is the only comedian who talks about politics who is funny.
For comparison, see Colbert and Kimmel. Check out the last 800 "jokes" they have told. None of them are more sophisticated than saying "my political opponents are poopoo pants". That is literally the structure of every "joke" that they tell.
Being a Jester and propagandist for an Authoritarian government is very lucrative.
Tim Dillon. You're welcome.
Propagandist for authoritarian government -- hm sounds like a straw man to me.
I have stopped watching their shows for a while, their jokes have become too 1-sided and shallow. I want someone like Bill who has the gut to criticize and make fun of all sides.
@@Leon-ty6bw Now THAT's a reasonable point without a straw man in it
Funny how he ragged on Clint Eastwood for doing a bit talking to a chair . But now he does it to a hay bale.....bit of a hypocrite mate!😵💫
"Hippocratic"? Has Bill become a medical doctor?
@@DirkDP65 sorry my autocorrect 🤪
At 62 years of age, I have developed a method for recognizing when i'm speaking with a purposeful lazy thinker. It's the moment they proudly proclaim, "But what about..." as an actual thought.
Hey 👋
Strawman was one of the funniest guests on the show!😀
He was speechless
As a Muslim I agree with Bill's intent and content but I would add that there are two groups of people that make this problem the way it is. The first are Muslims who have a inferiority complex and become defensive or sympathize with people like the stabbing suspect in hopes to avoid hard answers about members in our community who pull stuff like this. They definitely use a straw man argument in many arguments. Trust me, I've been in one before. Then there is group two who have antagonistic view of Islam and Muslims and wait for moments like this to bring up their views about Islam. They neither ask whether the suspect had other issues (some indications are he was living an Incel life which is Unislamic) and rarely if ever do they point out Muslims who do the opposite of what this man did including Muslim doctors, therapist, dentists, and remained very silent when two Muslim were responsible for the first Covid-19 vaccine. They have an ax to grind and unfinished business. Both groups feed off of each other and intoxicate the discussion that slides into useless bantering over ideological turf.
Two muslims responsible for the first COVID19 vaccine? Maybe, but that in itself is a strawman argument. Don't you think?
@@bit1733 When a person or group, which I was referring to, minimizes or dismisses exceptions to the argument "Islam harbors terrorist' that is more than a strawman argument, its cognitive dissonance, changing the subject, and ideological folklore. They are answering a question they asked themselves.
The only issue that this guy had is that he was radicalized by your religion. I’d be saying the same thing if it was a Christian. Unfortunately for you and other Muslims this is all too common in your religion though.
I don’t know what your point is about Muslims and the Covid vaccine. Many people that believe in fairy tales make contributions to science and the world so why do we have to praise Muslims every time they do it. When a Christian contributes to a drug do people say “that Christian man created a vaccine for polio that saved millions of children”?
When a terrorist tell us that they were motivated by their religious beliefs , we should believe them. Especially when it is so easy to fond support for their actions in the text of their religion.
@Aaron Correct. And before anyone challenges you and goes "But what about the bible, it's violent too, yes, and if someone says he killed someone because of what the bible says he wouldn't be treated any less harshly.
It's sad that we need people to say this. But thank you for saying it, Bill.
Where ya from ?
I don't agree with any religion. But as long as you don't try to force it on me, you can believe whatever you want. I won't hate you. Because your religious beliefs don't effect my life. This is how everyone should feel.
Hilarious he had the straw man argument as a New Rule after Amy Klobuchar spent the entire episode making straw man arguments.
Yep. It's all she knows
Agree or disagree with him, but Bill Maher deserves respect for being a consistent liberal
Consistently islamphobic, he will never call out usa and Israel bombing the Middle East and fueling extremism, usa backs Islamic extremists in Syria and xinjiang
@@archer8597 POV: You have no idea what a libertarian is
You know what I would like to see Greg gutfeld on Bill Maher I honestly think those two together would be hilarious
@Clyde2 Link to the clip part 2
ruclips.net/video/Ed_t6ZdrDK8/видео.html
Maher would chew him up and spit him out.
@@Christie_Love and here i am hoping for a bit of back and forth leading to some funny if not enlightening moments and you go and choose a side already making it nasty honestly did you not just see this clip like i did. what your doing is just sad.
They're cut from the same cloth
True! They’re both hilarious
I left the GOP in 2015 after the nomination and was pretty frightened to be adrift among what I was always taught liberals are like, but having a Maher to point out the insanity at the extreme ends of every social spectrum is what gave me the last bit of assurance I needed to never look back.
"gave me the last bit of assurance I needed to never look back."
That's unfortunate. Seems you have made a choice to deliberately blind yourself to meaningful arguments and instead will take whatever the left tells you. At the moment, liberty and choice is pretty much confined to Republicans; mandates are pretty much confined to Democrats. It is built into the word; Demos. The people will choose what you do. Not you choose for yourself.
Bhwhaha... you think liberals are the sane, decent, civil and respectful ones? They are the ones crying: "(blank)phobia" at the drop of a hat.
One can respect traditional cultures while at the same time never giving up on modern values like freedom of expression. Freedom of expression (and numerous other bits out of the Bill of Rights) have to be fought for every generation.
No. The traditional culture of islam mean Violence, Oppression, Silence of Speech and Subjugation. Islam means submission ie slavery. It deserves the same respect as Nazism and KKK Ideologies.
It is important to take the magical thinking out of tradition and culture. Religion is intertwined with every old culture, but it is important to try and untangle them a bit to be able to value and protect culture without pushing brutal Bronze Age stupidity.
Yea and where is condemnation of Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Alexander and Dariya Dugin?
@@texajp1946 are you crazy? Acts of war are not terror it makes perfect sense that ukraine tried to kill one of the policy makers and his daughter was hardly an innocent. Where is your outrage for the women and children of ukraine?
Jones Jack thanks for proving my point, the dugins are civilian journalists and philosophers, not government employees or policy makers, roger waters and Henry Kissinger are on that Ukrainian hit list website too along with many other journalists that have been critical of azov and the Kiev regime
Bill you didn’t it again. This was an amazing part of your show. Thank you.
Great show Bill!!! Thanks for the reason for us to think!!!! Very important!!! See ya in 2 weeks!!!!
It was a good show tonight.
You needed a reason to think? 😂
Yea and where is condemnation of Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Alexander and Dariya Dugin? The Ukrainian hit list website is still up
So I am one of those Mormons, and when the musical hit Broadway, the church sent missionaries to the theater and bought ads in the bill saying things like "You've seen the play, now read the book" or "The book is always better" or "our version is slightly different." I will admit having not seen it, and have some issue with it personally, but when South Park had their Mormon episode when I was in high school, it opened up a lot of questions from friends which I was able to answer.
In order to be tolerant, we have to risk being offended. In order to communicate and learn and change, we have to risk being offended AND offensive. Otherwise how can we challenge people to grow?
the book of mormon is a fraud. do the research.
@@racerx4152 cool story, bro!
I like how you commented on a video regarding actually addressing topics and engaging in actual discourse, you failed to provide any evidence, and in no way honestly debated. I think you missed the point of the video.
Ben Affleck looks so different this time but I see his view points haven't changed much from last time.
lol. You’re not there only one to make that comment. Now I can’t unsee it.
With a straw man argument, the "straw man" is not the person making the argument, it is the fictitious person being argued against. So Bill Maher bringing a straw man on means that he is the one making the straw man arguments.
You're the only other person in the comments that seems to have noticed this. Embarrassing.
The only intelligent thing Boris Johnson ever said:
"Have you ever strugled through to the end of one of Salman Rushdie's books? Neither have I. And neither, I bet, did the Ayhatollah"
@Clyde2 Link to the clip part 2
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Laurence Winch-Furness: Try “Midnight’s Children”, one of my favourite novels ever. Boris Johnson is a moron.
This would have been a lot better if Bill hadn't started it by setting up his own strawman, "liberals." What liberals? I never heard a mainstream liberal make the kind of statement that he's fussing over. This is why I rarely watch his show any more. Between his smugness and the constant interruptions of applause, it's become tedious.
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Man. Prop comedy can be really tough to pull off. But Bill does this in awesome form in this clip!! I’m excited to see if he levels up to ventriloquism in the near future. 😂
An homage to Clint Eastwood and the empty chair?
The only concern I have at the moment is that our friend Mr Salman Rushdie makes a full and speedy recovery.
He is a good and decent man who has an educated opinion on all things Muslim. If anything he is most likely going to pick up right where he was terribly interrupted. All this event did was strenghten his point of debate.
I salute you Mr. Rushdie. Speedy recovery to you Sir.👍🙂
Fiery argument. Well laid out and presented. Good to finally see the great philosopher and activist Mr. Straw Man on the show also.
Yeah, though I'm seeing more and more how stupid he is. After he dies, someone should make a caricature of him like was made for his great grandfather Soren Kirkegaard (look him up; he's the theological idiot who came up with "truth is whatever you make it" and "take a leap of faith"). Then people can up with a saying "Don't be a Straw Man" to mean don't be stupid, similar to "Don't be a Soren".
Straw Man could’ve simply been Rob Reiner when asked about the cover-up of Hunter Biden’s laptop. Woulda been more environmentally friendly, too.
The example he gave is actually a red herring 😂 not a straw man 1:10
Straw man actually a type of red herring. Both fall under the category of informal fallacies of relevance--almost all informal fallacies are relevance fallacies, and many overlap.
Bravo sir. That the left should ask for consideration for violence against speech is an indefensible position. Ever.
It's funny how Bill Maher uses other argument fallacies while trying to point out the straw man fallacy😂😂😂 It's also funny how it took him this long to educate his audience about argument fallacies when he has been using them for countless years 😅😅😅 This just shows how most Americans need to start taking reasoning courses at an early age.
I don't think Bill understands why straw man arguments are called so. It's not because the straw man is making the arguments...
He knows. This is just schtick. Perhaps it is you that doesn't understand the point of what he is doing?
Where is condemnation of deadly Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Alexander and Dariya Dugin? The small coverage it got on usa msm the commentators were practically giddy, and the comment section filled with liberals justifying it. Also usa is supporting Islamic extremists in Syria and xinjiang, attack on Rushdie was probably a massad operation to derail Iran nuclear deal
I always love the confusion of the crowd as to when they should clap and roar. Sometimes it seems like they have no clue what the topic is about based on a momentary pause, but make the random decision to clap or boo. Haha shit is funny af
The actual Straw Man was the false notion that Bill put out that no one condemned the attacker of Rushdie. In fact almost everyone did.
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You can tell the attack on Rushdie has affected Maher greatly. In the past 18 months, we’ve lost Norm McDonald, PJ O’Rourke, Bob Saget, Louis Anderson, and Gilbert Gotfried. Bill was friends (or at the very least was acquaintances) with all of them. The thought of losing Salman to such a heinous attack is probably very difficult for him.
Yea and where is condemnation of Ukrainian terrorist attack on the Dugins
@Rich Perez yeah, also a case of whataboutism
Rich Perez so condemn the Ukrainian terrorist attack on Russian journalist and philosopher, also many other people are on this Ukrainian hit list web site, east to bash Muslims, way more politically incorrect to criticize Ukraine
Jack Black usa has a long history of propping up Islamic extremists in afghansitan, syria, Libya, also usa wars in the Middle East fueled extremism
Jack Black you say whataboutism I say western hypocrisy and American exceptionalism
I've seen a lot of Grammar straw man arguments. Good for telling them bill.
*grammar (said with irony)
@@mikevanroy9356 just proved my point.
Just remember, we also can't have exceptions to violence based on Political beliefs either. Some people are forgetting that.
Bill is just doing his typical anti Islam anti Iran schtick, Where is condemnation of deadly Ukrainian terrorist attack on Alexander and Dariya Dugin? The small coverage it got on usa msm the commentators were practically giddy, and the comment section filled with liberals justifying it. Also usa is supporting Islamic extremists in Syria and xinjiang, attack on Rushdie was probably a massad operation to derail Iran nuclear deal
Don't be delusional Bill - Liberals don't hate you when you speak against "Christianity", you've been doing so for almost your entire career! Go - criticize Christianity & see if the same liberals that are against you when you speak against Islam are going to say the same thing! You seem to not factor something vital here - in this fallen state: religion is not a problem, Christianity is. You are against religion & to you - that means Christianity is part of "religion" that you hate...You assuming that it is acceptable to hate religion (bcz you've gotten away with it for so long going against Christianity) is error & you'll see one day...
Absolutely LOVE Strawman. 😊
Please keep him coming back. 🙏
Technically Bill's example about Smart Phones was technically a Non Sequitur, but still glad to see that Bill Maher is attacking strawman arguments (no pun 😉🤣).
I'm going to say it's neither. The position was "Technology makes our lives easier" and it's logical to point out "Not everyone's lives."
But toddlers? That's exaggeration. That's just humor. It's not a strawman if nobody actually thinks that you are being serious.
Anyway it's good to debate the fallacies, sharpens the wit.