Its crazy how Bill, who is one of the most liberal people on earth sounds like a conservative because of how broken society is. Edit: I appreciate all the likes but the fact that some of you immediately went into defending your "side" is really saddening. There is nothing wrong with being liberal, there is nothing wrong with having conservative values. The point I was making is that the current state of affairs has become such a clusterfuck, it's hard to tell who is who.
I know I fall center right on the political spectrum now but my views have remained exactly the same. Only difference is the rest of the world went crazy.
@@notificationsareblocked.yo53 It's not the rest of the world it's about 5% of the population with hands in industries and colleges forcing them to share their views of risk being lambasted
Almost sounded like he was saying everything the right and moderates have been saying all along. One day he'll say the Donald was right about everything
At a recent awards event at our school, the administrator started the presentation of awards with the following: "There will be no yellow ribbons for participation. Participation is a requirement for all students. Excellence is earned." Finally, a blue ribbon might mean something again.
It was never meant to be about rewarding participation, but instead recognising effort. Instead we have two extremes of idiots, on the one side those who refuse to recognise effort in spite of not winning and those who want to reward mere participation. Both groups completely clueless about child psychology. This administrator sounds like they belong to the first group of idiots.
@@ian1352 I remember when I was in primary school and throwing my participation ribbon in the bin. Where's your child psychology at? At the end of the day whoever's fast is fast and you should celebrate that and enjoy the occasion, not patronise kids who actually have intelligence believe it or not.
WhenI was college, I knew a girl who complained to a professor because another girl in the class got a higher grade than her... they didn’t study together, she just didn’t think it was fair that she got a lower grade.... my mind still can’t comprehend her thinking
I miss when conservatives and liberals could have honest debates about policy issues instead of this insanity we have now that states all liberals are godless communists and all conservatives are racists.
I am a conservative republican and don't usually agree with much of what Bill says but this is so refreshing to hear. I completely 100% agree with his sentiment. It's great to find common ground with someone who is a liberal.
@@kyletorres8510 Yeah, I still don't get why people think so black and white. Being surprised when they actually have things in common with people from 'the other side'. We all generally want the same things (peace, freedom, good healthcare etc.) believe it or not. And Bill Maher is just advocating for common sense, there's no politics in that.
Just a friendly reminder that those kids are now adults in their 20s and 30s and maybe, just maybe, its time their parents and you stop making excuses for them.
@@HH-qd2wb how about u get spoiled by ur parents and try to get out of it. its not the same as parents sending u to the military to learn the basic of life
When my kids played soccer and they lost half of the games ( I couldn't get the "we don't keep score" crap. They were all excited to get that trophy. I crushed them at that moment. I said " you didn't earn it". They had some issues. Now we talk about this and they all get it now. They've all become successful. They also are proud of every trophy and ribbon they actually earned. There not all first place either.
@M S Practically everyone has cognitive dissonance of varying degrees. Thinking otherwise is juvenile. For example: I believe animal cruelty is horrible and that livestock facility standards need to be improved, but I still eat meat every day. The same can likely be said for you and millions of other carnivorous Americans. According to your mindset, practically everyone's opinion is invalidated.
The ironic thing is Rolling Stone is a major media source that I bet would not apply the same "equality of outcome" principles to its own industry that it longs for in the music industry.
I am incredibly thankful that I played sports before everyone got a trophy. I’ll never forget when my Little League coach asked me if I wanted to know what it felt like to be a winner. Of course I wanted to feel that. “Then put in the work. No one will hand you that feeling. You have to earn it.”
@@TheAudioman15 I appreciate that but I embrace his direct communication. I know that doesn’t work for everyone but it’s my preference. I played youth sports when score mattered. There are winners and losers in sports and life in general. He taught me a valuable lesson I wouldn’t have received elsewhere. I made the all star team the next season. I took what he said to heart and put in the work. I went from a scrub to an all star in a year because of the hard work my coach inspired.
@@rangvald4036 every generation and individual is different. I don’t begrudge the person for expressing how it would feel to them. It’s hard for some people to imagine a little league coach talking to a kid the way he talked to me. He knew how to motivate me and I’ll be damned if it didn’t work. I have been that way ever since. I have the confidence to take risks and succeed.
Quite unlike his view that Biden is an "oldie but goodie" whose demented peccadilloes are not funny. He actually thinks that Forgetful Joe is doing a good job. Reality is selective for Mr Maher.
The Grammys aren't about meritocracy, at least in the sense of actually making music, and the Grammys aren't about streaming, either. The Grammys are about the narcissisms of the already rich and powerful, patting themselves on the back. There is lots and lots of music that lots of people love that never gets a smidgen of attention at the Grammys.
So is Nobel prize. When I was in graduate school studying biological science, my professor said, most of them really don't deserve any. "It is my mom said I am the best prize - Nobel prize". Completely corrupted. According to Le Ban, any decision from a group is defined by the most stupid member in the group, not the smartest one. Warren Buffett has something similar to say. Group decision is the most stupid one. "Group decisions - my perhaps jaundiced view is that it is close to impossible for outstanding investment management to come from a group of any size with all parties really participating in decisions" - Warren Buffett.
No.. trophies make the kid feel good. It’s like adults who show up to work and still get paid. It takes a lot for a parent to commit to getting a kid to all games and practices. If you e had one or been a kid who played sports you would understand. Usually a trophy at the end of the year is just a show of appreciation to the kid/parent for there time/commitment. This sounds like a comment from somebody who isn’t athletic, just assuming
@@FreddyNietzsche. but he just said participation trophies reward effort. The effort of practice and showing up is not winning but it's still effort. Worth a small trophy, not a big one.
As someone who has worked for everything I've ever gotten, I can't love this enough. I'm also moderate. I wish more people with big voices were moderates. Common sense needs to return instead of being a rare super power.
I agree that those at the extreme end of either political spectrum can be pretty crazy but personally I view moderates as being to slow to change. We have rapidly evolving problems and so we need more drastic solutions. We can't afford to take a more moderate approach that will only show its effect a decade later. We need drastic policy shifts that will have immediate impacts, even if they have some unintended side effects.
You plan on giving up your hard earned money so that others can have reparations? You same "moderates" cheer when Trump is charged with lawsuits to attempt to sway elections" Moderates are the same ones cheering books like this book is gay, that explains to CHILDREN "scat" eating is eating poop and it's a legit "kink". ... ..to CHILDREN. These same moderates voted for Biden, follow climate nonsense.... Libertarians and Conservatives are the ones trying to protect people. Moderates and liberals create inner-city hell, homelessness, illegals killing Americans. How the hell do you sleep at night.
I'm not fooled. It's all just buyers remorse. They bought this collapse, they can all perish under its crushing and burning mass. I'm only saving my own.
As an Indian student in the west, when I joined the elementary school, my first impression was, " I am a human being?" The whole "everyone is a winner" was completely incomprehensible.
@@matthewklahn7523 nah. What’s right is to do away completely with that stupid thought of “everyone is a winner” Losing is the best character builder. And the best motivation to do better. Telling a loser they’re a winner is counter productive and dishonest
@@frankzappa9148 Also, when everyone is a hero, the word becomes meaningless. Too much over use of words folks. Since I'm 65, If I'm called an old gray haired fart and do indeed fart on a regular basis, I don't need confirmation. And stop calling others the same thing, we know we fart, leaves us alone. (Ode to George Carlin)
We need more of this. As a republican I really respect Bill for coming and fighting against this nonsense. He is against cancel culture and pro free speech. Bill I don’t agree with most your political stances but you have a fan in me. I’ll keep an open mind when watching your stuff... keep it up sir bravo
Bill, you have finally found your true niche in life. Now that you are giving 'it' to 'both sides' so powerfully and fairly, I think there is a resultant inclination by everyone to take note and listen. You might very well be the first person to actually get people to not only talk to one another again but get them to actually listen to each other, too. The media won't do it. Maybe you'll be the person everyone comes to when anyone wants to hear 'fair and balanced' about anything. When I've got a few minutes to sip a cup of coffee, your 7-minute monologues are my most favorite things to watch. Please keep doing everything you're doing exactly as you're doing it.
Funny thing is that this skit went over the head of most of the idiots in the public.. basically the main issue is judging the world by Equality of Outcome.... Literally BLM, ANTIFA, Women's activists... Pretty much most of the Democrat party bullshit agenda is based on their bullshit
The more things change the more they stay the same. Back in the day labels used to pay DJs to play songs on repeat until they became famous, now labels pay tiktok girls to dance to their songs, and the less clothes they wear the more famous the song.
Yea, tik rok, gotta love it. Just like the stupid dancing nurses, amazing how they made time to learn, practice & record those idiotic dances during the “pandemic”... & all over the country too?
its very interesting because we are sorta living in the Demolition Man future, songs on tik-tok get popular based on the 5 or 6 second loop, which people use to tell a little story. Thats a Jingle kids. You're making us listen to glorified commercial jingles.
Marketing is the same tool in a different toolbox. Playing the angles is how it's done. Repetition is one angle, sex is another. We are always being 'sold to' by someone who is playing an 'angle'. It's an industry all by itself.
It seems that the point flew over your heads. If a song is bad, no amount of repeating is going to help. Quality always shines through, and intersectionals don't like that.
Back in the day? That still happens. Payola is very real. And you can pay for streams and views now, too. Nearly every artist does it. Radio stations have to stick to a playlist of 100 songs. That’s why you hear the same songs over and over on the radio.
Exactly. A perfect example of this is Fox News. For years they've been the cable news network with the most viewers and they will brag about that but in no way does that make them the most accurate or quality source for news.
What in the world are you talking about? “Number 1” means the most watched/listened to. Why are you conflating 2 different things? Most popular is not the same as “best”. “Best” is subjective. “Most listened/viewed” is objective. A Number 1 song and a Number 1 news channel is objectively the most listened/watched. It has nothing to do with “best”. Just cause it sucks doesnt mean its not the most listened to, Just because liberals dont watch news like conservatives do, doesnt mean Fox is any good. But its the most watched.
svscared I wonder how many times Fox News has had to retract a story or got sued because of one of their stories compared to a news outlet say like cnn???
@@pedrohippocaus8488 😂😂😂💀💀 thanks man got a great chuckle out of that. CNN a news source 🤔🤔 which means Don Lemmon is a Journalist or Cuomo damn I can barely write this I’m laughing so hard. There isn’t a such thing as news anymore or journalism they shot that pony dead years ago and before you start saying stupid shit like I watch Fox News or I’m a trumper I do mean from both sides. News is fucking impartial there is no bias to it and it needs to be reported as such which they have forgotten
As a 90s kid, not single one of us were fooled by participation trophies. Of course we could tell who got 1st, 2nd and 3rd. But who put them on a shelf and clung to them even after we'd grown up and moved out? The parents.
When I got my first participation ribbon at the 7th grade science fare (1997), my immediate thought was, "why did I put so much effort into this, and why should I next time?"
When my kid said he got a 90% on his test, my question was "What was the class average?" But certainly there is a way in boosting up the confidence of the less talented without giving everyone a trophy.
If anything they just made you feel shittier. I once got a "Most Improved Player" trophy on my little league team. We got trophies and we were THE WORST team in the league. Didn't make us feel good. I was actually a little embarrassed by being the "most improved player." I'd rather have just gotten nothing.
I'm 50 years old, so I was a kid in the 80's Last day of school of second grade we had like 4 events, can't even remember what exactly they were. I remember I placed in top 3 in 3 if the 4 events. We were given ribbons for top 3 places, a white ribbon for participating if you didn't place. I remember throwing the white ribbon in the trash right after I got it.
Can confirm, I got 3 of those trophies playing football in middle school. I'm now 40 and could not for the life of me tell you where those things ended up over the years.
I worked at a college radio station back in the day playing artists that rarely got their big break. The reality is, many people like what is popular and familiar and make no effort to seek out anything different. It's dismissive and lazy to say if an artist were talented they would be popular. There is some amazing stuff out there if you're willing to look.
Totally agree. There's also more luck to it than we'd like to admit, and yet there is some amount of access to a wider pool of music, as opposed to none, which I think is an improvement.
Great comment. The music I listen to regularly is just incredibly incredibly beautiful and wonderful, and it's all stuff that the overwhelming majority of folks out there have never ever heard before. There are just so many great artists out there that most people are completely unfamiliar with. That's the stuff I listen to all the time.
I totally agree with you, but I think the point Bill is making is less that they're the only good ones and more about people believing that they 'deserve' to be popular (similar to the American Idol auditions he mentioned).
Yes. Though, Bill is right that RS is not being realistic to say that in a perfect world every 1% of acts would get 1% of the market. ISTM there have been always very talented creators who were only known in their region of origin or to a small niche following -- so Bill should not generalize -- and at the same time that does not constitute an injustice in itself because people will listen to what they like -- so RS misses the mark.
@@Matthew-wz8ig It's a case of industry driving art instead of art driving industry. It would be like if you made a similar argument as the one Bill makes, but it was about the culinary industry. It would mean that fast food is clearly better than haute cuisine, because people prefer cheeseburgers.
It is true that music industry is forcing its easy to make shit onto general public but at the end of the day someone still has to buy that shit. People are still choosing to listen to garbage. We have Coca-Cola and McDonalds where I live , nobody buys them.
@@djmartens123 not really, food is essential and fast food is quicker/cheaper than a 5 star meal so some ppl are just buying what they can afford/what's convenient, however for the most part, a song/album written by a garbage artist is the same price as one who's considered not garbage
Peterson makes a similar point about how tearing down barriers can actually increase inequalities. In countries where opportunities for men and women are the most equal, you see greater differences in career choice.
He also argued that if you take down barriers you will be left with things that is impossible to remove for example gender and ethnicity thus making the gap much more wider.
@Brian Z Idk about keeping things how they are exactly. But you certainly don’t pursue the things that’ve been tried for more than a century and repeatedly resulted in staggering poverty, misery, and the largest genocides in recorded history. Pursuing equality of outcome being at the top of that list.
@Brian Z it is called reality. The only way to fight inequality is fighting personal choices. I listening the songs I like, I read the books I like, I see the sports I like. Guess what, I have the same tastes than many others have. That is what makes singers, writers and players well paid. What is your solution to solve that? All payed equal, no matter market preferences? It is possible, as you can see in Cuba. However, why are so many Cubans risking their lives to leave Cuba?
NO HE DIDN'T! There are many conservatives that are too stupid to realise they are conservatives so they vote Democrat. Many blacks and Latinos have conservative values but vote Democrat. This is the main reason why the #walkaway movement is being attacked by the left. Trust me, Bill Maher has NOT realised he's a conservative yet.
The same difference would be buying a present for a little kid on her birthday, and also buying another for her little brother just because his older sister is receiving one that day; that is "trophysyndrome."
Things really went sideways with the “participation trophy” generation. So happy to see Bill calling this out. But it’s going to take at least a generation to turn it around, if that’s even possible at this point.
Kids don't get a participation trophy and think it's an MVP trophy. They know everyone else got one just like theirs. It's just a keepsake to remind them of the experience. They all still know who played shortstop and batted leadoff and who was in right field and batted last.
The kids feel it most acutely ~ if you ever watch a game of anything where the adults aren't scoring, guaranteed every kid on that court or pitch knows it. They want us all to drown in a sea of mediocrity but it will take a hell of a lot longer than one or two generations. I think it will take Orwell's "boot on the throat forever", to keep us down.
As someone in that generation you really don't know wtf you're talking about. Yeah we all got trophies and we didn't care. Its not like we all grew up thinking we were the best because we got a small trophy. It was "season is over yay" FYI, I don't know how old you are but Millennials are 25-40 right now so... take note of what gen you are when criticizing an entire generation.
Only one thing will turn it around, and it is now absolutely inevitable: Hard times make hard men. Only the hardest will be left after what's coming. The hardest times of human history are about to unfold. Far worse than the Holodomor.. Look that up, then multiply it by X1000...
Bill Mahar is rare amongst Talk show hosts/commentator's/ comedians, in that he is willing to engage with those with differing opinions instead of just sniping from a distance. Much respect to you.
@@michaelsierra9 Hardly. It's because he's surrounded by the left and tugging toward the center/right. He's liberal but scolds the left virtually every week.
Mahr's audience really makes me laugh. They literally laugh every time he goes into one of these diatribes. But the people he is talking about are the very people in his audience.
But unfortunately some kids are seeing mediocre not that talented artists getting Grammies for their music that isn't about talent. More about schtick, shock value, what trends on social media and streaming quantities of their songs. So yeah this is where kids are getting that "I deserve a trophy just because" attitude from based on what feeds their current music diet. Thank GOD I was an 80s kid and at least then there was more talented people even with some non talented people of that era.
I grew up in the 90's. I used to be on a gymnastics team and I got a trophy every mwet I competed in, even if I came in last place. One time I got sick and could couldn't compete in a meet that I had signed up for. I was shocked when a few days later, my trophy for that meet came in the mail. I couldn't put it on my shelf because it just seemed weird to have a trophy when I didn't even participate. But because my folks paid the meet fee, I guess they figured I purchased the trophy.
"Kylie Jenner is a billionaire based on her ability to sit near a pool for the generations who are always on and on about this is my voice and i have something to say an awful lot of that something is about lip gloss." Bill ends it strong
Ultimately, a false equivalency, between artists (musicians) and people being popular for being... popular (cult of celebrity). Bill is getting very lazy, very tired with this shtick. The nuance has been severely lacking the past few years, he's losing his mind a bit, me thinks.
The musicians that win the Grammy's are the best marketed, not the most talented. Justin Bieber's Yummy was nominated for a Grammy. If you think that's an effect of pure meritocracy, then you probably should listen to more music outside the top 10.
I don't know about that, if you look at the winners many do actually deserve the awards because talent is oozing out of many of them. Beyonce, H.E.R, Billie Eilish, etc. Like alot of the musicians are amazing
Grammys suck... only popularity contest I would never watch. I heard that they didn’t even mention the passing of Chick Corea. Talent is not preeminent there. Bad reference of meritocracy Bill.
@@danburnes722 I can’t say I agree. It deserves criticism make no mistake as it has issues but when your actually seeing musicians perform from all different genres it’s pretty damn good.
He was probably mostly afraid of competition, as he was a great example of being famous for no reason himself. His books full of random nonsense like "male genitals are the square root of minus one". Today he'd have a youtube channel and a huge instagram followership.
@@justifiably_stupid4998 Well, I think it's not just that but also the simple fact that a lot of people have no clue how to value themselves and think of themselves as worthless unless they have something to show for like a degree or a Grammy award, emphasized by people like most conservatives who think everyone who isn't succesful financially, has a degree, or is famous is a loser. People who are brought up valuing actual behaviour and results in a healthy way don't seem to have these issues. Also, those people in this last group tend to have less conservative and superficial friends and are better in judging people's value and character.
There's nothing wrong with being a liberal who also thinks honestly and has common sense. It's just so rare that it throws us off when we see it. Good on him.
Agree with the premise but then U insult all liberals .I could say the same about hypocritical conservatives ..why not just say good point and give him credit for using common sense .it would be nice if the hannity and carlsons of the world would do the same on some issues instead of being partisan hacks
@@arunsalwan8558 Not insulting all liberals. Just mentioning that it's rare among liberals in the media--IRL is a different thing. The same could be said for conservatives in the media, but there is very little conservative media. There are a lot of nonpartisan centrist or even liberal voices that are 100% reasonable and rational, but they end up labeled as conservative and often suppressed because they don't toe the line the liberal media is required to--anyone who departs from *the message* agreed upon by the leftmost fringe is branded conservative. At this rate, that will include Bill Mahler soon. Freedom of thought and expression used to be more of a liberal value when I was a kid, but it has changed 100% since then. Liberals have almost unlimited power in media and power corrupts.
@@bendirval3612 your definition of a liberal is incorrect. Anyone that isn’t conservative, whatever in the world that word even means anymore, isn’t automatically a liberal. Liberals actually agree quite a bit with what Bill is saying. It e just that most of us think it is stupid to be focusing on stuff like this when we way bigger problems to be dealing with in this country. Child poverty is off the roof, but let’s dedicate 15 mins to talking about an issue that hardly affects any of us - that’s the reason why you don’t hear more about it from the “liberal media” as you call it. There is a major chunk of this country that is so batshit crazy that it still believes Trump won the 2020 election. And there is an entire media ecosystem dedicated to keeping that lie alive, solely because its viewers are too much of a snowflake to accept reality. But hey, let’s dedicate time to something as trivial as this? Nah
@@TheAudioman15 I'm not the one who considers anyone not toeing the hard liberal line to be conservative. As I mentioned, it's liberal media that does that. Bill Maher is very far from conservative, as are tons of liberal and centrist people who are called conservative (the whole intellectual dark web). Sadly, the majority of the time and effort spent by politicians and political voices on both sides are not focused on the most important issues. That's probably because they don't have good solutions for them. The grammies and other issues made fun of here may not be important, but the belief by many of the population in equality of outcomes is very important and detrimental. That belief leads to lots of crazy things and, historically, to totalitarianism and genocide (as it did in Russia, China, and other places where it was adopted as policy). He's making light of what is actually a critically important issue.
@@bendirval3612 I beg to differ on the critical Importance of the topic. This topic is made up to be an important one because of the right wing media in this country, who don’t have solutions to offer on anything so have to piggyback on silly stuff like this to stay relevant. What’s with blaming the media for everything, though? When has the so-called “liberal media” ever called someone a conservative for not being liberal enough? You’re just making facts up to justify what you’re saying, instead of going at it the other way around. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party has plenty of solitons to all sorts of problems. You should give them a listen. I’m a huge Bill Maher fan, even though I agree with probably only about 20% of what he says, because he is authentic and has always been. This one is just like his stale take on Islam. No one is actually disagreeing with the premise of what he is saying, but they are simply tuning him out because he is addressing a tiny little problem. Right wing terrorism far outdoes Islamic terrorism in this country, so let’s focus on the big issues - is all people are saying. It’s a good laugh, but no one should really take this any seriously. If they did, they’d simply be wasting their time focusing on the silliest of things instead of focusing the country being under assault by an increasingly insane right wing that is far only growing dumber by the day.
@@OhCrap247 isn’t bill just using the music industry to address an boarder point on millennials in general? I’m pretty sure he isn’t just talking about the music industry here
@@whoknowsbb5705 he just assumes people who dont agree with him on everything are on the opposite side. Some people just dont understand you can still be liberal and not agree with every policy or opinion on the left
Thats the thing about the “woke” leftists. They say Maher is just the old man yelling at the cloud, or not a “true liberal”. They make the same No true Scotsman fallacy. You can be a liberal and a Democrat and call this shit out for what absurdity it is.
Musician is the most missused term in history...some guy who presses play is considered a musician, its like me drawing a line and being considered an architect.
Sorry, there is so much wrong with your statement...Consider for starters, Musicians like say Mathematicians have been around for Centuries. Women, with their Singing, Don't press buttons. i'm done, your young even that could be construed as bias.
I LOVE YOU Bill Maher ❤️❤️❤️ your show makes my days brighter and I laugh from ear to ear on subjects that most of the times make me one Van Gogh them right off 😂 you're amazing! love your shows
And weird names. Would Bill Maher have a show with that hohum name. .? They get weirder and weirder. Music has a relationship with math. Could that be the problem? I dont listen to much of it. What would Perry Como be called now. PC2os2rs? Be a good boy Bill.
While I agree that music today is more than talent (personality matters too), that is the fault of music consumers, not producers. We the consumers have more music choices today than ever before. If consumers choose personality over talent, that is simply our choice and music producers will have to adapt to OUR needs. Not the other way around.
I agree with you on popular music, I never watch these award shows, because I usually don’t care for any of the artists. I’m Dutch, and most of my favourite artists are all British: Elbow, Arctic Monkeys, Editors, Kasabian. They are massive in the U.K. but most people in the U.S. have never heard of them, maybe because they sound too British? We have two amazing bands in the Netherlands, De Staat and Dewolff, they are very popular in the alternative music scene, but most of the Dutch public has never heard of them, because it’s not what the average Joe listens to.
There are millions of great artists who billions of people would enjoy listening to, and the reason we don't isn't that they suck, it's all about organization of scale. Think about small cultures. Nobody else makes music or movies for them, they have to do it themselves. So for the 356 thousand people living in Iceland, enough of them have to make the music, tv shows, and movies to tell the culture's stories, because nobody else is going to do it. For America's 328 million people, guess what, approximately the same number of people are making our music, tv shows, and movies. Because it's about cultural attention span. We can only share so many stories before they become irrelevant, not common to enough people that we can expect to be able to talk to a stranger about it. Now maybe some of you have noticed this, but despite Iceland's miniscule population, their contribution to global culture is rather outsized. This is the effect of localizing culture. We cultivate and bring out more talent, which can then rise and spread across the international stage to those who are receptive. In essence, the RS article wasn't wrong, but the curve should have been in between a straight line and the current reality, if we want to maximize quality cultural output. In America, all the glory gets stolen buy a few, this is true. But our production isn't qualitatively that much better than Iceland's. Something to ponder. Bill was wrong about this.
I'm surprised he didn't mention BLUE ivy getting an award that most don't even achieve in a lifetime. It's not like her parents had anything to do with it!
Badly phrased in the article. It just means its a uniform distribution, no top or bottom. In reality you naturally get exponential distributions for a lot of social phenomena.
What that would mean is making play random, so that every submitting artist has an equal chance of being played, with no favorites at all. Kind of the ultimate "equality of outcome" result. Interesting that the article would consider that the ideal from which to measure imperfections.
He’s always been this way. He may be liberal, but he’s the type to also call them out on their BS, just like he would with the other side. He seems to criticize anything that he feels needs criticizing regardless of political view or affiliation.
The whole culture of the internet, the whole "influencer" culture is sooo cheesy and pathetic. I feel kind of sorry for people who think internet popularity has some enduring values. Please like, please subscribe, please follow, etc it's all just so desperate. Young people's entire moods and sense of direction is hinged to the rising or falling of a number on a screen. Influencers add nothing of value to the world "hey look at me, I look this particular way and I'm telling you to shop" ... social media internet culture is so painfully sad
I agree with you Patricia. It may not be the point, but yeah...I don’t care for a lot, if not most of the new “music”, it’s garbage. Of course, both of us are entitled to our opinion
As an(other) Indian, I feel it has to do with some sort of systemic racism that we are not seeing equity at the Olympics yet. With 17% the population of the world, I demand one in every six athletics medals be given to India. I volunteer for the medal in leisurely walking in the hopes of ending this injustice.
@@zitools Imagine thinking you're owning me but actually proving my point. I'll easily beat Bolt in a fair spelling bee which is why equality of outcomes is a bad idea. Bolt will easily beat me in a fair race which is why equality of outcomes is a bad idea.
@@alexreiser6325 It's from "The Odyssey." The face that launched a thousand ships. Paris is the name of the Prince who took Helen (Helena), Queen of Sparta, to Troy from Greece secretly. They sent an armada to retrieve her... The Trojan War... Achilles... The Trojan Horse... All-in-all, clever joke.
" I just can't be living in this time when we're madly on the hunt for anything with the slightest whiff of white privilege and then feel bad for Paris Hilton"Thank you.
I remember back in highschool, i was given a participation trophy for a relay race because i came in 7th. I took it and smashed it to pieces. Got detention for that, said it promoted bad sportsmanship, but damn it was worth it
@@russianbot842 so you agree with this assessment? That fame equals talent and artistry? Given that teenage girls make up the majority of the listeners and boy bands and female pop musicians are among the most universally popular musicians, do you really think that makes them the most talented? Really? I have no idea who Bill thinks he’s talking to here or what point he’s trying to make. The left never asked for equality of outcome btw....
@@nicolajane7389 You're 100 percent missing the point. If you have talent, you can get recognized today so much easier because of spotify, soundcloud, youtube etc... so it really is a meritocracy. Simple as that. No- fame does not equal talent. But all these smaller artists who think they deserve fame and fortune and everything's rigged against them- like no your music is just fucking trash. Supply and demand. Look it up.
There's nothing less liberal than setting an in or out list for everyone on a basis of what your group believe to be moraly correct. Bill gets the point right in the money.
Unpopular doesn’t mean untalented, the musicians that play at virtuoso level talent on their various instruments are often fairly unknown to people who don’t listen to genres such as jazz, progressive rock and metal.
And it's not like metal is all one genre these days either. So many brilliant - and very different from each other - subgenres out there, and almost none of it gets played here in the USA. A few years back, I saw Nightwish play in San Francisco, with Delain and Sabaton as the opening acts. All three could headline in Europe. Here, the three of them together in one show didn't come close to filling a 2000-person theater.
@@stevensauer5597 The point you dont understand is that you liking those artist is your subjective opinion. It doesnt mean that other people have to like it and its obvious they dont share that opinion. Most of the music released is boring and tasteless.
A lot of things that require talent is not valued by the larger public. Those things fall under the hobby category. Playing the guitar while riding a unicycle requires talent, doesn't mean people wanna listen to you doing it.
“The communists are not motivated by love of the poor, but rather hatred of the rich”. “You can either have freedom or equality, you cannot have both”. “If you enforce equality, you abolish excellence, to have freedom, you must allow those you have the ability to excel”. - Solzhenitsyn
Because a society build upon the notion that wealth = excellence seems healthy. On a finite earth hunting for infinite economic growth figures. Perfectly normal. To count to 2 million costs 23 days To count to 162 billion (musk net worth) it takes 5200 years. 24/7 counting. Perfectly normal. He just worked harder than the entire nation of Bulgaria did in 2019. And even then noone is asking musk to give up his gargantuan wealth and become as poor as his poorest wage slave. Merely asking he'd pay some fucking taxes instead of blasting cars into space with his fuck you money. I don't know if i hate billionares or their bootlickers more tbh.
@@jesustyronechrist2330 It doesn't work that way. Equality is completely un-natural in the real world. The only way you achieve it is by holding some people down. It will ultimately drag the entire society down - as we're seeing play out before our eyes.
@@saltyapostle44 What? No I mean 50-50 split of freedom and equality. You mean everything should be as unequal as possible or did you just misunderstand me greatly?
It's because he got crucified by the SJW's when he dropped the n-bomb as part of his show. Since then he's been so dead set against the uber-liberals just as much as he always has the conservatives.
@@117Chief930 That's crap, he's always been against political correctness, he hasn't changed. What changed is that political correctness had always been a conservative thing and all of a sudden it became a liberal thing.
Yeah now it’s just mostly for laughs, sadly his arguments are getting less and less sound, since he is the one that now feels personally hurt that the liberal mentality is not catering to him and his demographic is getting smaller and older.
I know something is wrong now with 100% certainty - when I find 3 days in a row I see a Bill Maher video where I agree with him. Careful Bill you might get called a conservative if you keep this up.
Entertainment industry is a monopoly..and one only get to the top if 1. Has the right color(non white preferred and if white must hate oneself or be on drugs) 2. Folows the anti white regimes agenda to the T 3. Will keep promoting the regimes wishes to take all our rights away while degenerating our cultures into oblivion
Yes, all of the pop artists at the top are there by sheer talent alone and not from their team of writers, publicists, and the sea of money spent on advertisement to cram them down the throats of impressionable teens.
I'm sure the fact that children of famous artists are just very, very talented is coincidental and not just, well, maybe that they're a little talented but with a ton of resources and clout.
I usually agree with Bill. This is a bit of a stretch, though. That noise that's spewed out from the top 1% of the industry could hardly be called music.
But if the bottom 1% got 1% of the streams, that would mean that the top 1% also got 1% of the streams, and the same for everyone in between. In other words, the least popular artist would be as popular as the most popular artists, and vice versa. Whoever wrote that in Rolling Stone has a problem with numbers and basic logic.
@@martinlutherking6550 yeah, and Marvell movies are garage and make most the box office money. That's partly down to the marketing machines, but it's also down to most people having really bad taste. People with bad taste unfortunately have money too.
The music industry is based completely on marketability. Talent is not as important. Not saying top artists aren't talented, but a lot of them just got picked.
I think Sia is a prime example. I used to laugh that she started her "never show my face" gimmick too late in her career. We've seen it! You can google what she looks like, and she just looks like an remarkable normal person. Then the truth hit me: Going from a normal looking person with a great voice to a masked singer with the same voice is a life altering upgrade! Genius on her part.
That's true to an extent, but even in the music underground the talent floats to the top, even if that "top" is a song with only a few hundred thousand listens. There are definitely exceptions though.
I also lived in the midwest United States (Michigan) and I mostly listen to music through RUclips, and my friends listen through Spotify. I do occasionally use the car radio, but a strong majority of people don't use the car radio for songs since they have the songs they want on their phone ready to pull up/stream.
If it's on the radio or top 10 on RUclips, it's not because it's good. It's because 55 year old marketing execs who still think Mentos commercials are unironically cool are betting that their new star sells to tweens and their socker moms, because they look hot wearing some new fashion meme. Sadly, this has proven correct. Hipsters were right about one thing: You have to go find the good stuff yourself. What's handed to you on a Billboard chart is focus group trash.
My son has explored music on his own, one artist to the next on RUclips, eventually finding and liking an older artist that I may have liked and never mentioned. The Grammys don’t help culture, they force feed a narrow portion of artists to the susceptible public.
Yeah. That's deluded. Those top- streamed artists? Talented?? Not all of them. Some, maybe. But there are plenty of niche artists who cater to a small audience. Gangstagrass or The Dead South are imo talented enough for me. Just not for the mainstream.
You misunderstand Meritocracy. Meritocracy doesn't mean what YOU or any other purist thinks music should be. It means whatever the public likes. If a hundred million people like dog shit, then dog shit it is. Who do you think makes more money? A world class rare wine or Pepsi? Award shows are popularity contests. Whatever sells most has the most impact and wins. Period. It could be a guy recording himself slapping his own ass.
The vast majority of the public chooses their music from what is fed to them by music execs. It's not based on some evaluation of thousands of artists. You don't have to a purist to know that.
Bill has been on fire lately, I'm now a fan, and I'm a conservative. It's not that he's become conservative, but that he sees the BS many conservatives see and isn't afraid to call it out. He's not afraid to dish it to the conservatives either. He's a public voice we need, for both the sake of the left and the right, and he knows it too
Easy for him to do that now that Democrats are back in government. Rest assured when there's a Republican President again, he'll be against their administration.
@Anibal Orletti I agree. I think people are pushing equality of outcome principles and just hiding it well. We can’t let Marxism take hold again. It killed 100 million people last century.
The POPULAR music industry, maybe. But there is another music industry, made up of musicians who do not seek fame and fortune but do what they do because they know they're good at it and are thoroughly dedicated to their professional. This would include all those who play in orchestras, those who perform movie scores, the session players, and so on. Fame is almost always fleeting, but a true pro will be able to make a living from music for his or her entire life. They may never get rich nor famous, but that isn't what drives them.
I used to (pre covid) go to a ton of local shows and concerts. There are plenty of talented artists everywhere. There are also plenty of shitty bands. But regarding the talented and entertaining bands that I have seen, not all of them have become famous or huge. You can be extremely talented or belong in a really talented group of people and never gain more than a local following or not really get the recognition you deserve. And every now famous musician once started out with virtually no people knowing about them. Once upon a time no one had ever heard of a talented vocalist named Adele.
Absolutely! Ed Sheeran worked his ass of for years before he became famous. Same for so many other artists. I love a lot of British bands, my favourite being Elbow, they are massive in the U.K. and yet outside the U.K. Same goes for bands such as Arctic Monkeys, Editors, Kasabian, Florence + the machine, hardly anyone outside the U.K. knows them. Maybe because they’re too British sounding? Or maybe because their sound is not mainstream enough?
Well said. Picking on one point in particular, I really hate the entire concept of "influencer" and weep for the generations of people who follow these stains on society.
Yeah, good artists make the most money. Sure. That's why throughout history so many world-renowned musicians, painters, sculptors and writers were constantly fighting poverty during their lifetimes.
Actually many of history's famous artists and naturalists DID make money. Shakespeare, Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Galileo all received income from various artistic patrons--people who sponsored their work because they were good. Even the Greeks and Romans were big into artistic patronage. The idea of "the struggling artist" primarily rose in the modern era, when patronage died off. Then the struggle became mainly getting distribution. But now with streaming, distribution is a much smaller factor, so Bill is making an excellent point here.
Very sophisticated analysis, not a generalization at all. Artists before the “modern era” were all well fed and living the dream. About as sophisticated as Bill’s analysis which fails to take into account that the songs that are most listened to are the ones that are best marketed and often have little to do with artistic talent. Many of these “successful” songs are also reverse engineered based on beats and musical themes that have patterns known to be catchy and replayable. So unique, creative, complex music is thrown out the door so that people listen to a bunch of songs that sound more and more alike and demand less and less of our own intellectual and artistic nuance.
@@dcal6365 Both distribution and gatekeeping are bigger issues with streaming. In the past artists could start their own independent labels, press a few copies and deal with shops directly. With Spotify you need to be on one of a handful of distributors that partner with spotify, or on a label that is on such a distributor. And these aren't entirely hassle-free - you can for instance run into issues when you make a music video and put it on RUclips, because that doesn't go through the distributor and they'll send you a take down notice. The other thing is that the curated playlists on Spotify are a key component in reaching people and where you previously had a lot of different college rock stations across the world, where some indie band would get exposed and then get to other markets, you now have a small number of playlists. The algorithmy also doesn't help, because if you are relatively small you end up with small sample sizes. If 500 people listen to small indie artist A, there might be 10 each for small indie artists B,C,D,E and F, but maybe 50 listened to something by Gaga, hence the algorithm will take you listening to indie artist A as an indicator that you might like Gaga over indie artists B,C,D,E and F. The combined effect is that artists who weren't massive, but had their audience - think REM or metallica mid-80s - selling 50000 copies of a record, playing venues with 500 people and then made enough money to make another record and go on another tour, where they now might sell 60000 copies and play to 700 people rooms have a harder time. We always had a tail end of records who nobody cared for. But between "Nobody likes this" and Thriller are the Surfer Rosas, the Daydream Nations, the Ocean Rains and English Settlements. The poblem isn't that the 80% of artists who suck don't get a lot of plays, it's that the 19% who don't suck and end up with dedicated fanbases that can name that song that changed their lives get less and less chance to connect with their audiences and to make a living.
I'm a hardcore independent n consider myself quite conservative but, Damn Bill! I think we could find some common ground n fix all this bullshit!!! Atta Boy!
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Its crazy how Bill, who is one of the most liberal people on earth sounds like a conservative because of how broken society is.
Edit: I appreciate all the likes but the fact that some of you immediately went into defending your "side" is really saddening. There is nothing wrong with being liberal, there is nothing wrong with having conservative values. The point I was making is that the current state of affairs has become such a clusterfuck, it's hard to tell who is who.
the left has just swung waayyyyyy left recently and bill hasnt moved much so now sounds conservative. wild times haha
I know I fall center right on the political spectrum now but my views have remained exactly the same. Only difference is the rest of the world went crazy.
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It's not the rest of the world it's about 5% of the population with hands in industries and colleges forcing them to share their views of risk being lambasted
Those are liberal talking points, youre confusing leftist with liberal. Always remember leftists believe liberals get the bullet too
@@Mulljackson yup... Leftist in a boat whines wondering why the island is moving right of him.
Society has gone so MAD, Bill is starting to sound like a moderate.
Almost sounded like he was saying everything the right and moderates have been saying all along. One day he'll say the Donald was right about everything
Bill Maher voted for all the problems that he’s now complaining about.
Yea, that's an ominous sign
Only in this video. He isn't being let loose on Trump, who agreed with him on situations, just never on air...
HAHAHHA YUP
Bill has been killing it lately with common sense. He may be liberal, but he’s not insane.
He knows what’s wrong but I have a grave feeling the leftists producers are holding his tongue back
The new liberal voice of reason since John Stewart went full woke.
With his echo chamber comment section that shadow bans anyone with opposing views.
He is smart enough that he may not be a Democrat much longer
@@senorpepper3405 na John Stuart retired. That’s Trevor Noah who took his place. But even he isn’t woke enough for what’s happening now.
"Not being famous isn't fair" is one of the best things I've heard. That writer needs a raise!
the writer will never be famous
@@firstnamelastname9179 whooooosh!
Actually I think these famous people make most people not wanna be famous it’s just the few with loud voices
It's not something one of Bill's writers made up, actually heard a teenager saying the same stupid shit.
At a recent awards event at our school, the administrator started the presentation of awards with the following: "There will be no yellow ribbons for participation. Participation is a requirement for all students. Excellence is earned."
Finally, a blue ribbon might mean something again.
I'm surprised the administrator wasn't fired for promoting white supremacy, racism, homophobia, islamophobia, transphobia and misogyny.
It was never meant to be about rewarding participation, but instead recognising effort. Instead we have two extremes of idiots, on the one side those who refuse to recognise effort in spite of not winning and those who want to reward mere participation. Both groups completely clueless about child psychology. This administrator sounds like they belong to the first group of idiots.
@@ian1352 " thare is no try only do"
jedi master yoda
@@ian1352 I remember when I was in primary school and throwing my participation ribbon in the bin. Where's your child psychology at?
At the end of the day whoever's fast is fast and you should celebrate that and enjoy the occasion, not patronise kids who actually have intelligence believe it or not.
That is actually good to hear! gives you some confidence that the world hasn't gone completely mad!
WhenI was college, I knew a girl who complained to a professor because another girl in the class got a higher grade than her... they didn’t study together, she just didn’t think it was fair that she got a lower grade.... my mind still can’t comprehend her thinking
We need a new plague
@@hamzamahmood9565 Uh, we are in a new plague: It's extremely buggy and only really killing old people the most.
I think we can both comprehend it. We just have a hard time justifying it.
Wow. That fucking very anecdotal story completely proved Bills point.
Fuck, people are stupid.
Maybe they were both banging him and she didn't like like coming in second.
As a conservative, I have a lot of time for this sort of rational thought. Well said Bill.
Bill Maher sounds like a conservative now
I miss when conservatives and liberals could have honest debates about policy issues instead of this insanity we have now that states all liberals are godless communists and all conservatives are racists.
Bill Maher would be the same to complain about the top 1% of earners.
@@chiragrulze You mean he makes good sense.
he is, he just doesnt realise it cause he didnt change. The world did.
I am a conservative republican and don't usually agree with much of what Bill says but this is so refreshing to hear. I completely 100% agree with his sentiment. It's great to find common ground with someone who is a liberal.
There's a lot of common ground in the middle, the people on the fringes just scream loudest
Bill has some faults for sure but he preaches what he finds true rather than what one side agrees with. A free thinking human.
Maybe stop thinking in those myopic terms and you'll see how much better life gets
@@kyletorres8510 Yeah, I still don't get why people think so black and white. Being surprised when they actually have things in common with people from 'the other side'. We all generally want the same things (peace, freedom, good healthcare etc.) believe it or not. And Bill Maher is just advocating for common sense, there's no politics in that.
When Bill has conservatives consistently agreeing with him you know Dems are screwed
Just a friendly reminder that adults gave out participation trophies, kids didn't demand them
So those adults taught these now adults to exhibit that behavior. Unfortunate..
Just a friendly reminder that those kids are now adults in their 20s and 30s and maybe, just maybe, its time their parents and you stop making excuses for them.
@@HH-qd2wb which part sounded like an excuse to you?
@@HH-qd2wb how about u get spoiled by ur parents and try to get out of it. its not the same as parents sending u to the military to learn the basic of life
When my kids played soccer and they lost half of the games ( I couldn't get the "we don't keep score" crap. They were all excited to get that trophy. I crushed them at that moment. I said " you didn't earn it". They had some issues. Now we talk about this and they all get it now. They've all become successful. They also are proud of every trophy and ribbon they actually earned. There not all first place either.
He's a lib. But he's smart, pays attention and seems, most importantly, to be intellectually honest, which is the rarest virtues today.
He's a mature adult.
@M S Apparently someone who disagrees with your narrow view on life and society=deranged.
@M S Practically everyone has cognitive dissonance of varying degrees. Thinking otherwise is juvenile. For example: I believe animal cruelty is horrible and that livestock facility standards need to be improved, but I still eat meat every day. The same can likely be said for you and millions of other carnivorous Americans.
According to your mindset, practically everyone's opinion is invalidated.
@M S Yeah but it tastes like shit. That's me just liking good tasting food.
@M S seriously man, that's ALL you got from that analogy? Not a lot going on up there, huh?
The ironic thing is Rolling Stone is a major media source that I bet would not apply the same "equality of outcome" principles to its own industry that it longs for in the music industry.
they basically run the rock n roll hof only the top 95% get in
I know, my internet comments just get no likes, no matter how many I make. No income either! Darn unfairness.
@@QuadCloudNine I gave your comment a like because everyone deserves a like. Equality of likes.
He misrepresented the Rolling Stone article and then undercut his whole meritocracy argument by bringing up Kylie Jenner.
@@DustinLaGriza Not really because he wasn't defending her.
I am incredibly thankful that I played sports before everyone got a trophy. I’ll never forget when my Little League coach asked me if I wanted to know what it felt like to be a winner. Of course I wanted to feel that. “Then put in the work. No one will hand you that feeling. You have to earn it.”
Yikes. Sorry you had to deal with a coach like that.
@@TheAudioman15 I appreciate that but I embrace his direct communication. I know that doesn’t work for everyone but it’s my preference. I played youth sports when score mattered. There are winners and losers in sports and life in general. He taught me a valuable lesson I wouldn’t have received elsewhere. I made the all star team the next season. I took what he said to heart and put in the work. I went from a scrub to an all star in a year because of the hard work my coach inspired.
@@TheAudioman15 what the hell kind of weak-minded individual are you?
@@cylecoles don’t waste your time explaining to him lmao
@@rangvald4036 every generation and individual is different. I don’t begrudge the person for expressing how it would feel to them. It’s hard for some people to imagine a little league coach talking to a kid the way he talked to me. He knew how to motivate me and I’ll be damned if it didn’t work. I have been that way ever since. I have the confidence to take risks and succeed.
Well, that was refreshingly grounded in reality.
Quite unlike his view that Biden is an "oldie but goodie" whose demented peccadilloes are not funny. He actually thinks that Forgetful Joe is doing a good job.
Reality is selective for Mr Maher.
I'm getting scared. I have now agreed with Bill Maher twice! This and his China wins because we are silly.
Not necessarily with the first part of his New Rules. The second part of his New Rules starting with Paris Hilton though is SPOT ON!!
You should listen to him more. He's the only talking head that keeps me sane.
@@Mangsaab1954 exactly
The Grammys aren't about meritocracy, at least in the sense of actually making music, and the Grammys aren't about streaming, either. The Grammys are about the narcissisms of the already rich and powerful, patting themselves on the back. There is lots and lots of music that lots of people love that never gets a smidgen of attention at the Grammys.
You don't have to worry about awards at all if you are successful from your music they're irrelevant.
The Grammys are a celebration of artists that are promoted by the record companies and the music they want to be popular.
@@mcluvin65 exactly my thinking. Bill is right, but his grievances are misdirected here.
Jay z. Beyonce. Gone
Absolutely. It's what you might call a talent monopoly.
The parents who were handing out trophies were really feeding their own egos and broken souls, not rewarding kids.
100% I hated that crap even as a kid and believe me I wasn’t getting no 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place ever.
So is Nobel prize. When I was in graduate school studying biological science, my professor said, most of them really don't deserve any. "It is my mom said I am the best prize - Nobel prize". Completely corrupted. According to Le Ban, any decision from a group is defined by the most stupid member in the group, not the smartest one. Warren Buffett has something similar to say. Group decision is the most stupid one.
"Group decisions - my perhaps jaundiced view is that it is close to impossible for outstanding investment management to come from a group of any size with all parties really participating in decisions" - Warren Buffett.
No.. trophies make the kid feel good. It’s like adults who show up to work and still get paid. It takes a lot for a parent to commit to getting a kid to all games and practices. If you e had one or been a kid who played sports you would understand. Usually a trophy at the end of the year is just a show of appreciation to the kid/parent for there time/commitment. This sounds like a comment from somebody who isn’t athletic, just assuming
If your dog does a trick do you give them a treat? Same concept.
@@FreddyNietzsche. but he just said participation trophies reward effort. The effort of practice and showing up is not winning but it's still effort. Worth a small trophy, not a big one.
As someone who has worked for everything I've ever gotten, I can't love this enough.
I'm also moderate. I wish more people with big voices were moderates. Common sense needs to return instead of being a rare super power.
I agree that those at the extreme end of either political spectrum can be pretty crazy but personally I view moderates as being to slow to change. We have rapidly evolving problems and so we need more drastic solutions. We can't afford to take a more moderate approach that will only show its effect a decade later. We need drastic policy shifts that will have immediate impacts, even if they have some unintended side effects.
You plan on giving up your hard earned money so that others can have reparations?
You same "moderates" cheer when Trump is charged with lawsuits to attempt to sway elections"
Moderates are the same ones cheering books like this book is gay, that explains to CHILDREN "scat" eating is eating poop and it's a legit "kink". ... ..to CHILDREN.
These same moderates voted for Biden, follow climate nonsense....
Libertarians and Conservatives are the ones trying to protect people. Moderates and liberals create inner-city hell, homelessness, illegals killing Americans.
How the hell do you sleep at night.
I love agreeing with someone I often disagree with.
I'm not fooled. It's all just buyers remorse. They bought this collapse, they can all perish under its crushing and burning mass. I'm only saving my own.
Especially if that individual is known for slamming people, in the past, for saying the exact thing he is saying now.
@@centex7409 Bill has always called this kind of stuff out.
weird take but ok
I usually would. But a broken clock 2x a day...
As an Indian student in the west, when I joined the elementary school, my first impression was, " I am a human being?"
The whole "everyone is a winner" was completely incomprehensible.
The irony about that thinking is everyone became a loser. I’m so glad I just missed growing up with that.
@@matthewklahn7523 nah. What’s right is to do away completely with that stupid thought of “everyone is a winner”
Losing is the best character builder. And the best motivation to do better. Telling a loser they’re a winner is counter productive and dishonest
@@frankzappa9148 Also, when everyone is a hero, the word becomes meaningless. Too much over use of words folks. Since I'm 65, If I'm called an old gray haired fart and do indeed fart on a regular basis, I don't need confirmation. And stop calling others the same thing, we know we fart, leaves us alone. (Ode to George Carlin)
Believing every child has good qualities is incomprehensible? Holy shit. They are not giving each kid a statue.
As opposed to the humanistic Indian way of calling you offspring a disgrace to the family if they get less than 1500 in their SATs?
We need more of this. As a republican I really respect Bill for coming and fighting against this nonsense. He is against cancel culture and pro free speech. Bill I don’t agree with most your political stances but you have a fan in me. I’ll keep an open mind when watching your stuff... keep it up sir bravo
Your party has gone insane. It's turned fascist.
Bill, you have finally found your true niche in life. Now that you are giving 'it' to 'both sides' so powerfully and fairly, I think there is a resultant inclination by everyone to take note and listen. You might very well be the first person to actually get people to not only talk to one another again but get them to actually listen to each other, too. The media won't do it. Maybe you'll be the person everyone comes to when anyone wants to hear 'fair and balanced' about anything. When I've got a few minutes to sip a cup of coffee, your 7-minute monologues are my most favorite things to watch. Please keep doing everything you're doing exactly as you're doing it.
When Jordan Peterson said this a couple of years ago they called him all names in the book.
Funny thing is that this skit went over the head of most of the idiots in the public.. basically the main issue is judging the world by Equality of Outcome.... Literally BLM, ANTIFA, Women's activists... Pretty much most of the Democrat party bullshit agenda is based on their bullshit
@@lovinmclovin5290 Yeah, not true at all.
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That's not what he said. You're assuming a bunch of things. Probably because of bias.
@@lovinmclovin5290 definitely 100% truth. It's the Communist agenda on full tilt.
Right, but he doesn't bow to the narrative so,,,,,,
The more things change the more they stay the same. Back in the day labels used to pay DJs to play songs on repeat until they became famous, now labels pay tiktok girls to dance to their songs, and the less clothes they wear the more famous the song.
Yea, tik rok, gotta love it. Just like the stupid dancing nurses, amazing how they made time to learn, practice & record those idiotic dances during the “pandemic”... & all over the country too?
its very interesting because we are sorta living in the Demolition Man future, songs on tik-tok get popular based on the 5 or 6 second loop, which people use to tell a little story. Thats a Jingle kids. You're making us listen to glorified commercial jingles.
Marketing is the same tool in a different toolbox. Playing the angles is how it's done. Repetition is one angle, sex is another. We are always being 'sold to' by someone who is playing an 'angle'. It's an industry all by itself.
It seems that the point flew over your heads. If a song is bad, no amount of repeating is going to help. Quality always shines through, and intersectionals don't like that.
Back in the day? That still happens. Payola is very real. And you can pay for streams and views now, too. Nearly every artist does it. Radio stations have to stick to a playlist of 100 songs. That’s why you hear the same songs over and over on the radio.
Even the Grammy winner’s music is garbage. Just because it’s number 1 does not mean it’s good.
Because when referring to art, "better" is subjective.
Exactly. A perfect example of this is Fox News. For years they've been the cable news network with the most viewers and they will brag about that but in no way does that make them the most accurate or quality source for news.
What in the world are you talking about? “Number 1” means the most watched/listened to. Why are you conflating 2 different things? Most popular is not the same as “best”. “Best” is subjective. “Most listened/viewed” is objective. A Number 1 song and a Number 1 news channel is objectively the most listened/watched. It has nothing to do with “best”.
Just cause it sucks doesnt mean its not the most listened to, Just because liberals dont watch news like conservatives do, doesnt mean Fox is any good. But its the most watched.
svscared I wonder how many times Fox News has had to retract a story or got sued because of one of their stories compared to a news outlet say like cnn???
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😂😂😂💀💀 thanks man got a great chuckle out of that. CNN a news source 🤔🤔 which means Don Lemmon is a Journalist or Cuomo damn I can barely write this I’m laughing so hard. There isn’t a such thing as news anymore or journalism they shot that pony dead years ago and before you start saying stupid shit like I watch Fox News or I’m a trumper I do mean from both sides. News is fucking impartial there is no bias to it and it needs to be reported as such which they have forgotten
As a 90s kid, not single one of us were fooled by participation trophies. Of course we could tell who got 1st, 2nd and 3rd. But who put them on a shelf and clung to them even after we'd grown up and moved out? The parents.
When I got my first participation ribbon at the 7th grade science fare (1997), my immediate thought was, "why did I put so much effort into this, and why should I next time?"
When my kid said he got a 90% on his test, my question was "What was the class average?" But certainly there is a way in boosting up the confidence of the less talented without giving everyone a trophy.
If anything they just made you feel shittier. I once got a "Most Improved Player" trophy on my little league team. We got trophies and we were THE WORST team in the league. Didn't make us feel good. I was actually a little embarrassed by being the "most improved player." I'd rather have just gotten nothing.
I'm 50 years old, so I was a kid in the 80's
Last day of school of second grade we had like 4 events, can't even remember what exactly they were. I remember I placed in top 3 in 3 if the 4 events.
We were given ribbons for top 3 places, a white ribbon for participating if you didn't place. I remember throwing the white ribbon in the trash right after I got it.
Can confirm, I got 3 of those trophies playing football in middle school. I'm now 40 and could not for the life of me tell you where those things ended up over the years.
I worked at a college radio station back in the day playing artists that rarely got their big break. The reality is, many people like what is popular and familiar and make no effort to seek out anything different. It's dismissive and lazy to say if an artist were talented they would be popular. There is some amazing stuff out there if you're willing to look.
Totally agree. There's also more luck to it than we'd like to admit, and yet there is some amount of access to a wider pool of music, as opposed to none, which I think is an improvement.
If artists are in direct link with listeners, what is the great conspiracy on why public ignores them, sine you claim they are talented?
Great comment. The music I listen to regularly is just incredibly incredibly beautiful and wonderful, and it's all stuff that the overwhelming majority of folks out there have never ever heard before. There are just so many great artists out there that most people are completely unfamiliar with. That's the stuff I listen to all the time.
I totally agree with you, but I think the point Bill is making is less that they're the only good ones and more about people believing that they 'deserve' to be popular (similar to the American Idol auditions he mentioned).
Yes. Though, Bill is right that RS is not being realistic to say that in a perfect world every 1% of acts would get 1% of the market.
ISTM there have been always very talented creators who were only known in their region of origin or to a small niche following -- so Bill should not generalize -- and at the same time that does not constitute an injustice in itself because people will listen to what they like -- so RS misses the mark.
"Yes, you may have a voice, but we have ears!" Another unexpected clip from Bill.
Bill's argument about meritocracy would be a lot better if the music industry didn't suck so much.
Or maybe the ppl choosing to listen to garbage are the ones who suck? 🤔
@@Matthew-wz8ig It's a case of industry driving art instead of art driving industry. It would be like if you made a similar argument as the one Bill makes, but it was about the culinary industry. It would mean that fast food is clearly better than haute cuisine, because people prefer cheeseburgers.
It is true that music industry is forcing its easy to make shit onto general public but at the end of the day someone still has to buy that shit. People are still choosing to listen to garbage.
We have Coca-Cola and McDonalds where I live , nobody buys them.
@@DDWyss Excellent comparison.
@@djmartens123 not really, food is essential and fast food is quicker/cheaper than a 5 star meal so some ppl are just buying what they can afford/what's convenient, however for the most part, a song/album written by a garbage artist is the same price as one who's considered not garbage
Peterson makes a similar point about how tearing down barriers can actually increase inequalities. In countries where opportunities for men and women are the most equal, you see greater differences in career choice.
He also argued that if you take down barriers you will be left with things that is impossible to remove for example gender and ethnicity thus making the gap much more wider.
@Brian Zyes we keep things the way they are . To try to enforce equality of outcome is stupid because it's not real.
@Brian Z Idk about keeping things how they are exactly. But you certainly don’t pursue the things that’ve been tried for more than a century and repeatedly resulted in staggering poverty, misery, and the largest genocides in recorded history. Pursuing equality of outcome being at the top of that list.
@Brian Z it is called reality.
The only way to fight inequality is fighting personal choices.
I listening the songs I like, I read the books I like, I see the sports I like.
Guess what, I have the same tastes than many others have.
That is what makes singers, writers and players well paid.
What is your solution to solve that? All payed equal, no matter market preferences? It is possible, as you can see in Cuba. However, why are so many Cubans risking their lives to leave Cuba?
@@shashankachar2800 what about equality of opportunity??? In most conservative countries, equality of opportunity does not exist.
Welcome to the party Bill. You're a little late, but at least you showed up.
he should be shown the door
NO HE DIDN'T! There are many conservatives that are too stupid to realise they are conservatives so they vote Democrat.
Many blacks and Latinos have conservative values but vote Democrat.
This is the main reason why the #walkaway movement is being attacked by the left.
Trust me, Bill Maher has NOT realised he's a conservative yet.
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@@ssjwes why?
The same difference would be buying a present for a little kid on her birthday, and also buying another for her little brother just because his older sister is receiving one that day; that is "trophysyndrome."
Things really went sideways with the “participation trophy” generation. So happy to see Bill calling this out. But it’s going to take at least a generation to turn it around, if that’s even possible at this point.
Kids don't get a participation trophy and think it's an MVP trophy. They know everyone else got one just like theirs. It's just a keepsake to remind them of the experience. They all still know who played shortstop and batted leadoff and who was in right field and batted last.
The kids feel it most acutely ~ if you ever watch a game of anything where the adults aren't scoring, guaranteed every kid on that court or pitch knows it. They want us all to drown in a sea of mediocrity but it will take a hell of a lot longer than one or two generations. I think it will take Orwell's "boot on the throat forever", to keep us down.
As someone in that generation you really don't know wtf you're talking about. Yeah we all got trophies and we didn't care. Its not like we all grew up thinking we were the best because we got a small trophy. It was "season is over yay"
FYI, I don't know how old you are but Millennials are 25-40 right now so... take note of what gen you are when criticizing an entire generation.
I can turn it around by turning around the brats that were raised in the 90s and applying a switch to their backside.
Only one thing will turn it around, and it is now absolutely inevitable: Hard times make hard men. Only the hardest will be left after what's coming. The hardest times of human history are about to unfold. Far worse than the Holodomor.. Look that up, then multiply it by X1000...
"The face that launched a thousand little shits" is the best line I have ever heard.
Bill Mahar is rare amongst Talk show hosts/commentator's/ comedians, in that he is willing to engage with those with differing opinions instead of just sniping from a distance. Much respect to you.
unless of course you follow people like Shapiro, Rubin, Weinstein, Peterson..... who all regularly chat with with people with differing opinions.
@@iamisaid2295 Ya, but maybe because bill leans to the left?
@@iamisaid2295 those are all grifters...
@@michaelsierra9 Hardly. It's because he's surrounded by the left and tugging toward the center/right. He's liberal but scolds the left virtually every week.
@@michaelsierra9 Maher is a Center-Right Wing commentator. He used to be Left, but he's moved way to the Right in recent years
Mahr's audience really makes me laugh. They literally laugh every time he goes into one of these diatribes. But the people he is talking about are the very people in his audience.
I love bill but his audience is the worst.
@@rightchordleadership He has this audience for a reason . Bill is one of the biggest grifters out there .
Isn’t his “audience” right now just his crew?
Right. Also, this shit would be funny if it weren't actually true. I don't know how people can laugh when it's all just so sad.
Having a sense of humor in life is priceless
“Listen up buttercup, you don’t get a trophy for everything you suck at!”
But unfortunately some kids are seeing mediocre not that talented artists getting Grammies for their music that isn't about talent. More about schtick, shock value, what trends on social media and streaming quantities of their songs. So yeah this is where kids are getting that "I deserve a trophy just because" attitude from based on what feeds their current music diet. Thank GOD I was an 80s kid and at least then there was more talented people even with some non talented people of that era.
buttercup .... ha ha ha ha
I fit comfortably in the bottom 1% of bridge builders and everyone should be thankful they don't let me build 1% of bridges.
@@SpecialJay You’re probably not a child either, so what is best when taking child psychology into account is not going to apply.
Butter is a good song, I like listening to it.
I grew up in the 90's. I used to be on a gymnastics team and I got a trophy every mwet I competed in, even if I came in last place. One time I got sick and could couldn't compete in a meet that I had signed up for. I was shocked when a few days later, my trophy for that meet came in the mail. I couldn't put it on my shelf because it just seemed weird to have a trophy when I didn't even participate. But because my folks paid the meet fee, I guess they figured I purchased the trophy.
Did they at least give the people who actually won a bigger, better trophy?
@@B3Band Just slightly bigger or it would be unfair ;P ^^
Lol a participation trophy and you didn't even participate.
"Kylie Jenner is a billionaire based on her ability to sit near a pool for the generations who are always on and on about this is my voice and i have something to say an awful lot of that something is about lip gloss."
Bill ends it strong
Good Quote.
Can Bill possibly be the savior of the Party? I'm sure they'll find some way to permanently *CANCEL* him.
Ultimately, a false equivalency, between artists (musicians) and people being popular for being... popular (cult of celebrity). Bill is getting very lazy, very tired with this shtick. The nuance has been severely lacking the past few years, he's losing his mind a bit, me thinks.
I totally agree..,..
Plus Bill senses the winds of change and they don’t include him...,He is feeling his age
@@gmpm he's definitely getting to be more of a "get off my lawn" type
Change is inevitable....but stupidity takes concerted efforts
The musicians that win the Grammy's are the best marketed, not the most talented. Justin Bieber's Yummy was nominated for a Grammy. If you think that's an effect of pure meritocracy, then you probably should listen to more music outside the top 10.
Yeah, I think he may have a good abstract point, but the example he chose is terrible.
I don't know about that, if you look at the winners many do actually deserve the awards because talent is oozing out of many of them. Beyonce, H.E.R, Billie Eilish, etc. Like alot of the musicians are amazing
Grammys suck... only popularity contest I would never watch. I heard that they didn’t even mention the passing of Chick Corea. Talent is not preeminent there. Bad reference of meritocracy Bill.
Absolutely true
@@danburnes722 I can’t say I agree. It deserves criticism make no mistake as it has issues but when your actually seeing musicians perform from all different genres it’s pretty damn good.
The French psychiatrist Jacques Lacan warned way back in the 50's about an upcoming world where everyone wanted to be famous for no reason.
Self esteem without the work of working on self? Who would have thought people would take shortcuts in life.
its strange he isn't more famous himself. he was right.
Anymore Bill is arguing on behalf of conservatives. He should start voting his interests, and be a part of the Right side of history.
He was probably mostly afraid of competition, as he was a great example of being famous for no reason himself. His books full of random nonsense like "male genitals are the square root of minus one". Today he'd have a youtube channel and a huge instagram followership.
@@justifiably_stupid4998 Well, I think it's not just that but also the simple fact that a lot of people have no clue how to value themselves and think of themselves as worthless unless they have something to show for like a degree or a Grammy award, emphasized by people like most conservatives who think everyone who isn't succesful financially, has a degree, or is famous is a loser. People who are brought up valuing actual behaviour and results in a healthy way don't seem to have these issues. Also, those people in this last group tend to have less conservative and superficial friends and are better in judging people's value and character.
There's nothing wrong with being a liberal who also thinks honestly and has common sense. It's just so rare that it throws us off when we see it. Good on him.
Agree with the premise but then U insult all liberals .I could say the same about hypocritical conservatives ..why not just say good point and give him credit for using common sense .it would be nice if the hannity and carlsons of the world would do the same on some issues instead of being partisan hacks
@@arunsalwan8558 Not insulting all liberals. Just mentioning that it's rare among liberals in the media--IRL is a different thing. The same could be said for conservatives in the media, but there is very little conservative media. There are a lot of nonpartisan centrist or even liberal voices that are 100% reasonable and rational, but they end up labeled as conservative and often suppressed because they don't toe the line the liberal media is required to--anyone who departs from *the message* agreed upon by the leftmost fringe is branded conservative. At this rate, that will include Bill Mahler soon. Freedom of thought and expression used to be more of a liberal value when I was a kid, but it has changed 100% since then. Liberals have almost unlimited power in media and power corrupts.
@@bendirval3612 your definition of a liberal is incorrect. Anyone that isn’t conservative, whatever in the world that word even means anymore, isn’t automatically a liberal. Liberals actually agree quite a bit with what Bill is saying. It e just that most of us think it is stupid to be focusing on stuff like this when we way bigger problems to be dealing with in this country. Child poverty is off the roof, but let’s dedicate 15 mins to talking about an issue that hardly affects any of us - that’s the reason why you don’t hear more about it from the “liberal media” as you call it. There is a major chunk of this country that is so batshit crazy that it still believes Trump won the 2020 election. And there is an entire media ecosystem dedicated to keeping that lie alive, solely because its viewers are too much of a snowflake to accept reality. But hey, let’s dedicate time to something as trivial as this? Nah
@@TheAudioman15 I'm not the one who considers anyone not toeing the hard liberal line to be conservative. As I mentioned, it's liberal media that does that. Bill Maher is very far from conservative, as are tons of liberal and centrist people who are called conservative (the whole intellectual dark web). Sadly, the majority of the time and effort spent by politicians and political voices on both sides are not focused on the most important issues. That's probably because they don't have good solutions for them. The grammies and other issues made fun of here may not be important, but the belief by many of the population in equality of outcomes is very important and detrimental. That belief leads to lots of crazy things and, historically, to totalitarianism and genocide (as it did in Russia, China, and other places where it was adopted as policy). He's making light of what is actually a critically important issue.
@@bendirval3612 I beg to differ on the critical
Importance of the topic. This topic is made up to be an important one because of the right wing media in this country, who don’t have solutions to offer on anything so have to piggyback on silly stuff like this to stay relevant. What’s with blaming the media for everything, though? When has the so-called “liberal media” ever called someone a conservative for not being liberal enough? You’re just making facts up to justify what you’re saying, instead of going at it the other way around. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party has plenty of solitons to all sorts of problems. You should give them a listen. I’m a huge Bill Maher fan, even though I agree with probably only about 20% of what he says, because he is authentic and has always been. This one is just like his stale take on Islam. No one is actually disagreeing with the premise of what he is saying, but they are simply tuning him out because he is addressing a tiny little problem. Right wing terrorism far outdoes Islamic terrorism in this country, so let’s focus on the big issues - is all people are saying. It’s a good laugh, but no one should really take this any seriously. If they did, they’d simply be wasting their time focusing on the silliest of things instead of focusing the country being under assault by an increasingly insane right wing that is far only growing dumber by the day.
I self released my songs, don’t have any listeners but my mom likes them :)
Oh, Millhouse. “My mom thinks I’m cool!” Haha
Don't worry, I bet they are bangers 😎👍
I love my daughter's music. It's exquisite.
You do realize this is how most artists that you know and like now start off right
Did your mom make you a “ Grammy “ for it too?!🤩
Meritocracy requires equal opportunity, not equal outcome
But not equal outcome. That's the point he's making
I think that Canadian just explained the entire crux of the matter.
@@zoso73 the thing is we don’t have equal opportunity, that’s the point bill is missing here while bashing millennials
@@daryno9073 There's equal opportunity on streaming. What are you hard of hearing?
@@OhCrap247 isn’t bill just using the music industry to address an boarder point on millennials in general? I’m pretty sure he isn’t just talking about the music industry here
i love this version of bill maher
@X X whats "my side"?
@X X probably moderate/center right bill maher is the best
@X X how can you even know his side? What are you talking about?
@@whoknowsbb5705 he just assumes people who dont agree with him on everything are on the opposite side. Some people just dont understand you can still be liberal and not agree with every policy or opinion on the left
Bill is the voice of truth, speak on Bill!
"Kylie Jenner is a billionaire for the ability to sit near a pool" 😂😂😂😂😂
She obviously obtained that based on merit.
@@yfna1 No, based on familial celebrity and changing her face.
Exactly
Nooo it's because..... 🤔 wait you're right
Doesn't she also have the prerequisite Big Butt?
Sometimes I forget I’m watching bill Maher and not Ben Shapiro, the left has become so crazy that even he hates them and seems conservative haha
Thats the thing about the “woke” leftists. They say Maher is just the old man yelling at the cloud, or not a “true liberal”. They make the same No true Scotsman fallacy. You can be a liberal and a Democrat and call this shit out for what absurdity it is.
His stint in the beginning about music stream distribution is almost a direct corollary to the income inequality argument.
You cancel enough people they will eventually team up and cancel you
I’ve been thinking the same lately. I like watching Maur again like when I was 18.
Calling them out for doing something stupid isn't hating... also, how dafuq did that train of thought come up on this video?
Musician is the most missused term in history...some guy who presses play is considered a musician, its like me drawing a line and being considered an architect.
Reminds me of movies. I watch old 90s movies over this crap they put out now and get more enjoyment watching reruns than new shit.
Sorry, there is so much wrong with your statement...Consider for starters, Musicians like say Mathematicians have been around for Centuries. Women, with their Singing, Don't press buttons. i'm done, your young even that could be construed as bias.
@@geraldo6205 lol are you drunk or liberal? He said musicians aren't worth a shit now and he's right.
@@cody1854 fu ok.. great musicians, still do exist...alas just fewer & fewer ?.
@@rockinrollinntrollin616 yup, the non mainstream ones lol
I LOVE YOU Bill Maher ❤️❤️❤️ your show makes my days brighter and I laugh from ear to ear on subjects that most of the times make me one Van Gogh them right off 😂 you're amazing! love your shows
Today's music has nothing to do with talent, it's all about gimmickry.
And weird names. Would Bill Maher have a show with that hohum name. .? They get weirder and weirder. Music has a relationship with math. Could that be the problem? I dont listen to much of it. What would Perry Como be called now. PC2os2rs? Be a good boy Bill.
While I agree that music today is more than talent (personality matters too), that is the fault of music consumers, not producers. We the consumers have more music choices today than ever before. If consumers choose personality over talent, that is simply our choice and music producers will have to adapt to OUR needs. Not the other way around.
@@mosesking2923 Wtf are you talking about ?
I agree with you on popular music, I never watch these award shows, because I usually don’t care for any of the artists. I’m Dutch, and most of my favourite artists are all British: Elbow, Arctic Monkeys, Editors, Kasabian. They are massive in the U.K. but most people in the U.S. have never heard of them, maybe because they sound too British? We have two amazing bands in the Netherlands, De Staat and Dewolff, they are very popular in the alternative music scene, but most of the Dutch public has never heard of them, because it’s not what the average Joe listens to.
You’re right. Mainstream music is filth with auto tune. Their job is keeping their ass in good shape or maintaining an image that they’re “hard”
I get Bill's point, but there is a lot of music that's really good that never goes mainstream. This is why I love streaming.
Well good is subjective. But its up to you to support them.
There are millions of great artists who billions of people would enjoy listening to, and the reason we don't isn't that they suck, it's all about organization of scale. Think about small cultures. Nobody else makes music or movies for them, they have to do it themselves. So for the 356 thousand people living in Iceland, enough of them have to make the music, tv shows, and movies to tell the culture's stories, because nobody else is going to do it. For America's 328 million people, guess what, approximately the same number of people are making our music, tv shows, and movies. Because it's about cultural attention span. We can only share so many stories before they become irrelevant, not common to enough people that we can expect to be able to talk to a stranger about it. Now maybe some of you have noticed this, but despite Iceland's miniscule population, their contribution to global culture is rather outsized. This is the effect of localizing culture. We cultivate and bring out more talent, which can then rise and spread across the international stage to those who are receptive. In essence, the RS article wasn't wrong, but the curve should have been in between a straight line and the current reality, if we want to maximize quality cultural output. In America, all the glory gets stolen buy a few, this is true. But our production isn't qualitatively that much better than Iceland's. Something to ponder.
Bill was wrong about this.
@@JR3714 LEVEL 42 have been around since the 80s! They're not that unheard of if you know even a tidbit of decent music.
@@JR3714 I don't.
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I'm surprised he didn't mention BLUE ivy getting an award that most don't even achieve in a lifetime. It's not like her parents had anything to do with it!
Look, Bill REALLY wants to slander allegedly spoiled millennials and if you don't let him he gets cranky and warm milk won't help any more.
@X X honestly, I was starting to think it was just me.😅
@@Alias_Anybody yawn..... try again
👏👏👏👏👏👏 “but only the talented artists make it” oooook riiiiight Biiiiiill. You know everything about everything from every perspective.
@@corporateservants269 nope is not just you. Bill needs to get some friends to broaden his point of view. Or a research team. Whatever comes first.
"In a perfect world, the bottom one percent of artists would get one percent of activity"
That would mean the top 1% would also get 1% of activity
Badly phrased in the article. It just means its a uniform distribution, no top or bottom. In reality you naturally get exponential distributions for a lot of social phenomena.
What that would mean is making play random, so that every submitting artist has an equal chance of being played, with no favorites at all. Kind of the ultimate "equality of outcome" result. Interesting that the article would consider that the ideal from which to measure imperfections.
Bill Maher being the voice of reason against his OWN party's ideology and thinking, is the epitome of irony.
I can't believe Maher is a fascist alt-right loon...
or do liberals just have the self-awareness to criticize their party more often than conservatives?
@@mukesh_bombay Unfortunately they don't. Or they do it in the wrong way and criticize each other because they aren't left leaning enough.
He’s always been this way. He may be liberal, but he’s the type to also call them out on their BS, just like he would with the other side. He seems to criticize anything that he feels needs criticizing regardless of political view or affiliation.
Bill Maher is a libertarian. If the Republicans legalized marijuana, he’d be 100% on board.
5:48 "She's the face that launched 1000 little shits" that's a fucking great line
Yup, especially that her name is Paris. I love double entendres.
Paris of Trojan
Yep simple yet eloquent with its brevity.
The whole culture of the internet, the whole "influencer" culture is sooo cheesy and pathetic. I feel kind of sorry for people who think internet popularity has some enduring values. Please like, please subscribe, please follow, etc it's all just so desperate.
Young people's entire moods and sense of direction is hinged to the rising or falling of a number on a screen. Influencers add nothing of value to the world "hey look at me, I look this particular way and I'm telling you to shop" ... social media internet culture is so painfully sad
"The face that launched a thousand little shits.."
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
...and DNA...
“Yes these are called the good ones”
Absolute GOLD!!
Not so sure the ones that win the Grammys are that great, but its just my opinion...and everyone has one.
that was not the point.
I agree with you Patricia. It may not be the point, but yeah...I don’t care for a lot, if not most of the new “music”, it’s garbage. Of course, both of us are entitled to our opinion
Mainstream music is straight trash. Most of them can’t play instruments or write their own music.
@@Supermanfan99 still, that was not the point. The point was not that popular artists are good, but that artists no one listens are shit.
@@brabra2725 so I guess Jimi Hendrix, Abba, and Pre 80s Queen are complete shit huh?
When you give me the same number of Olympic gold medals as Usain Bolt, that's when systemic speedism is over and equality of outcomes is achieved.
"speedism" LOL can't stop laughing after reading this.
As an(other) Indian, I feel it has to do with some sort of systemic racism that we are not seeing equity at the Olympics yet. With 17% the population of the world, I demand one in every six athletics medals be given to India. I volunteer for the medal in leisurely walking in the hopes of ending this injustice.
@@rexsceleratorum1632 lol 🤣
maybe you should give Bolt a spelling bee or two.
@@zitools Imagine thinking you're owning me but actually proving my point. I'll easily beat Bolt in a fair spelling bee which is why equality of outcomes is a bad idea. Bolt will easily beat me in a fair race which is why equality of outcomes is a bad idea.
I can't even watch the Grammys, talk about mediocrity 90% of the so-called "Artists" suck!
One bad song after another. No wonder why nobody buys music anymore.The Grammys has become horrendous.
@roy dunn I like Jethro Tull, but it certainly isnt metal. I remember that fiasco.
Quite literally in most cases. How else do you think they got a recording contract. 🤤
@@bradevans3815 Am I supposed to believe Billie Eilish is some sort of generational musical genius? Get the fuck outta here with that crap.
This argument is however a perfect example of it not being a meritocracy.
Bill, love it. You are getting it now.
“....Paris Hilton is literally the face that launched a thousand little shits.”
*dead from laughing *
Can you explain the different layers?
What that mouth do
@@alexreiser6325 It's a play on Helen of Troy. "The face that launched a thousand ships"
@@alexreiser6325 It's from "The Odyssey." The face that launched a thousand ships. Paris is the name of the Prince who took Helen (Helena), Queen of Sparta, to Troy from Greece secretly. They sent an armada to retrieve her... The Trojan War... Achilles... The Trojan Horse... All-in-all, clever joke.
@@con3521 Illiad. The Odyssey was after the Trojan War.
Bill's audience still haven't realized that they're laughing at themselves...
How so?
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I think it's just his crew now
The blind leading the blind here
They’re the little shits.
"These are called the good ones." And even they're not even good.
Oh Bill what you say is so true I want to cry.
" I just can't
be living in this time when we're madly on the hunt for anything with the slightest whiff of white privilege and then feel bad for Paris Hilton"Thank you.
Class privilege not white privilege, but other than that this was funny and mostly true.
@@ellisargamer9248 Don't forget about big boobs, and pretty face privilege.
I remember back in highschool, i was given a participation trophy for a relay race because i came in 7th. I took it and smashed it to pieces. Got detention for that, said it promoted bad sportsmanship, but damn it was worth it
Well the trophy industry is worth a few billion... Of course they want schools to give everyone a trophy.
I love watching the guests squirm and force uncomfortable laughs as he monologs. Because they are who he is talking about.
Yes they are.
I think we just figured out who “they” is...
@Belle Anderson why do you think he sucks? Do you like to challenge and mold your beliefs, or do you just follow the liberal herd?
@@russianbot842 so you agree with this assessment? That fame equals talent and artistry? Given that teenage girls make up the majority of the listeners and boy bands and female pop musicians are among the most universally popular musicians, do you really think that makes them the most talented? Really? I have no idea who Bill thinks he’s talking to here or what point he’s trying to make.
The left never asked for equality of outcome btw....
@@nicolajane7389 You're 100 percent missing the point. If you have talent, you can get recognized today so much easier because of spotify, soundcloud, youtube etc... so it really is a meritocracy. Simple as that. No- fame does not equal talent. But all these smaller artists who think they deserve fame and fortune and everything's rigged against them- like no your music is just fucking trash. Supply and demand. Look it up.
There's nothing less liberal than setting an in or out list for everyone on a basis of what your group believe to be moraly correct. Bill gets the point right in the money.
“She’s the face that launched a thousand little shits” 😭🤣
More like a million $hits...LOL
@@elbarjones4812 ..........
it s a word play on "face that launched a thousand ships" of helen of troy
wow ...Bill....everything u said about Paris...so so right on !!! thank u ...100% supporting u !!!
@@sunritroykarmakar4406 I went to school when you had to read both the Iliad and the Odyssey...thanks anyway
Unpopular doesn’t mean untalented, the musicians that play at virtuoso level talent on their various instruments are often fairly unknown to people who don’t listen to genres such as jazz, progressive rock and metal.
True enough brotha!
And it's not like metal is all one genre these days either. So many brilliant - and very different from each other - subgenres out there, and almost none of it gets played here in the USA. A few years back, I saw Nightwish play in San Francisco, with Delain and Sabaton as the opening acts. All three could headline in Europe. Here, the three of them together in one show didn't come close to filling a 2000-person theater.
@@stevensauer5597 The point you dont understand is that you liking those artist is your subjective opinion. It doesnt mean that other people have to like it and its obvious they dont share that opinion. Most of the music released is boring and tasteless.
A lot of things that require talent is not valued by the larger public.
Those things fall under the hobby category.
Playing the guitar while riding a unicycle requires talent, doesn't mean people wanna listen to you doing it.
Popular music is often pushed as well depending on how marketable the artist is rather than talented too.
“The communists are not motivated by love of the poor, but rather hatred of the rich”. “You can either have freedom or equality, you cannot have both”. “If you enforce equality, you abolish excellence, to have freedom, you must allow those you have the ability to excel”. - Solzhenitsyn
how about 50-50 split?
Because a society build upon the notion that wealth = excellence seems healthy. On a finite earth hunting for infinite economic growth figures. Perfectly normal.
To count to 2 million costs 23 days
To count to 162 billion (musk net worth) it takes 5200 years. 24/7 counting. Perfectly normal. He just worked harder than the entire nation of Bulgaria did in 2019.
And even then noone is asking musk to give up his gargantuan wealth and become as poor as his poorest wage slave. Merely asking he'd pay some fucking taxes instead of blasting cars into space with his fuck you money. I don't know if i hate billionares or their bootlickers more tbh.
Well put!
@@jesustyronechrist2330 It doesn't work that way. Equality is completely un-natural in the real world. The only way you achieve it is by holding some people down. It will ultimately drag the entire society down - as we're seeing play out before our eyes.
@@saltyapostle44 What? No I mean 50-50 split of freedom and equality. You mean everything should be as unequal as possible or did you just misunderstand me greatly?
As Moderate Liberal Republican, this sentiment is just a breathe of fresh air. I'm glad someone out there is saying exactly what we're all thinking
This is the most "get off my lawn" bill has ever been and i love it 🤣
It's because he got crucified by the SJW's when he dropped the n-bomb as part of his show. Since then he's been so dead set against the uber-liberals just as much as he always has the conservatives.
Why do you love it? The "get off my lawn" mentality has never done anything good
@@117Chief930 That's crap, he's always been against political correctness, he hasn't changed. What changed is that political correctness had always been a conservative thing and all of a sudden it became a liberal thing.
@@doctorfeinstone6524 You think you have the right to trample my lawn.
Yeah now it’s just mostly for laughs, sadly his arguments are getting less and less sound, since he is the one that now feels personally hurt that the liberal mentality is not catering to him and his demographic is getting smaller and older.
I know something is wrong now with 100% certainty - when I find 3 days in a row I see a Bill Maher video where I agree with him. Careful Bill you might get called a conservative if you keep this up.
He might actually be returning to being a liberal again.
'Entertainment industry is a meritocracy'
Best joke in the entire skit
Well spotted.
Lol exactly. If that were the case Bryce Dallas Howard would teach kindergarten and Sophia Coppola would sell turquoise jewelry.
Are you trying to tell me that Keanu Reeves isn't the world's foremost acting genius?
Entertainment industry is a monopoly..and one only get to the top if 1. Has the right color(non white preferred and if white must hate oneself or be on drugs)
2. Folows the anti white regimes agenda to the T
3. Will keep promoting the regimes wishes to take all our rights away while degenerating our cultures into oblivion
@@johnnyjohnson4152 Jesus Christ can you whine just a LITTLE harder??
Best seven minutes of my morning.
Yes, all of the pop artists at the top are there by sheer talent alone and not from their team of writers, publicists, and the sea of money spent on advertisement to cram them down the throats of impressionable teens.
That's the part of meritocracy that doesn't work. It will always favor those with power and their children. Even Bill.
I'm sure the fact that children of famous artists are just very, very talented is coincidental and not just, well, maybe that they're a little talented but with a ton of resources and clout.
Money goes behind good investments,
THANK YOU!
SPOT ON
Equality of outcome..... means "Then why bother to try?"; "Why Study?"; "Why practice?"; "Why do any job?"
Jordan Peterson was saying this 5 years ago.
Jordan Peterson also said that he drank apple cider once and almost died because of it
It wasn't new then either.
@@veitdalee4810 it's called being allergic.
Just made the same comment.
Everyone now has a voice, but we have ears.
Perfect lesson(which they will not understand, like, E'VER...) for the younger generations.
"A face that launched a thousand little sh*ts"
OMG, I enjoyed it on some many levels I had to take a walk to savour it. XD
I usually agree with Bill. This is a bit of a stretch, though. That noise that's spewed out from the top 1% of the industry could hardly be called music.
You guys are forgetting about the majority of people who have bad taste.
But if the bottom 1% got 1% of the streams, that would mean that the top 1% also got 1% of the streams, and the same for everyone in between. In other words, the least popular artist would be as popular as the most popular artists, and vice versa. Whoever wrote that in Rolling Stone has a problem with numbers and basic logic.
WAP is garbage and gets all the traffic.
@@martinlutherking6550 yeah, and Marvell movies are garage and make most the box office money. That's partly down to the marketing machines, but it's also down to most people having really bad taste. People with bad taste unfortunately have money too.
@@JonS it’s not that people with bad taste have $, it’s that people with bad taste make up the majority
I am not what you would call a Maher fan...but, lately...he’s been right on target! I subscribed.
Love his spoof on Paris Hilton!! "The face that launched ...."
The music industry is based completely on marketability. Talent is not as important. Not saying top artists aren't talented, but a lot of them just got picked.
I think Sia is a prime example. I used to laugh that she started her "never show my face" gimmick too late in her career. We've seen it! You can google what she looks like, and she just looks like an remarkable normal person. Then the truth hit me: Going from a normal looking person with a great voice to a masked singer with the same voice is a life altering upgrade!
Genius on her part.
Just because your music plays on the radio doesn't mean you're the best, it typically means you're easily marketable.
It means you can kiss ass to the satanic Illuminati music industry
@@Lukamusic81 Qanon commenter on a Bill Maher video?
That's true to an extent, but even in the music underground the talent floats to the top, even if that "top" is a song with only a few hundred thousand listens. There are definitely exceptions though.
In what way do you see best & marketable as different?
Amd that actually means something. The market is democratic.
I live in the Midwest. 90% of what I listen to daily is music I’ve found here on RUclips.....and I never hear anywhere in public or on the air.
I also lived in the midwest United States (Michigan) and I mostly listen to music through RUclips, and my friends listen through Spotify. I do occasionally use the car radio, but a strong majority of people don't use the car radio for songs since they have the songs they want on their phone ready to pull up/stream.
I haven't listened to top 40 intentionally for ages.
If it's on the radio or top 10 on RUclips, it's not because it's good.
It's because 55 year old marketing execs who still think Mentos commercials are unironically cool are betting that their new star sells to tweens and their socker moms, because they look hot wearing some new fashion meme. Sadly, this has proven correct.
Hipsters were right about one thing: You have to go find the good stuff yourself. What's handed to you on a Billboard chart is focus group trash.
My son has explored music on his own, one artist to the next on RUclips, eventually finding and liking an older artist that I may have liked and never mentioned. The Grammys don’t help culture, they force feed a narrow portion of artists to the susceptible public.
I listen to classic rock, because it doesn't matter whether the artist is in a studio or live on stage when you can actually sing.
Well said Bill
Bill thinks award shows like the Grammys are based on meritocracy. Lol that's cute.
That’s the most shocking part of this speech.
Yeah. That's deluded. Those top- streamed artists? Talented?? Not all of them. Some, maybe. But there are plenty of niche artists who cater to a small audience. Gangstagrass or The Dead South are imo talented enough for me. Just not for the mainstream.
You misunderstand Meritocracy. Meritocracy doesn't mean what YOU or any other purist thinks music should be. It means whatever the public likes. If a hundred million people like dog shit, then dog shit it is. Who do you think makes more money? A world class rare wine or Pepsi? Award shows are popularity contests. Whatever sells most has the most impact and wins. Period. It could be a guy recording himself slapping his own ass.
The vast majority of the public chooses their music from what is fed to them by music execs. It's not based on some evaluation of thousands of artists. You don't have to a purist to know that.
Are the Grammys an award show for over achieving grandmothers?
Bill has been on fire lately, I'm now a fan, and I'm a conservative. It's not that he's become conservative, but that he sees the BS many conservatives see and isn't afraid to call it out. He's not afraid to dish it to the conservatives either. He's a public voice we need, for both the sake of the left and the right, and he knows it too
The left has gone so far left, that people like Bill are now right
Easy for him to do that now that Democrats are back in government. Rest assured when there's a Republican President again, he'll be against their administration.
@Anibal Orletti I agree. I think people are pushing equality of outcome principles and just hiding it well. We can’t let Marxism take hold again. It killed 100 million people last century.
The music industry isn’t just about who has the talent - it’s even more about who has the gold.
Or maybe it's time you realize you suck at music.
Blue ivy got an award! Ha
The POPULAR music industry, maybe. But there is another music industry, made up of musicians who do not seek fame and fortune but do what they do because they know they're good at it and are thoroughly dedicated to their professional. This would include all those who play in orchestras, those who perform movie scores, the session players, and so on. Fame is almost always fleeting, but a true pro will be able to make a living from music for his or her entire life. They may never get rich nor famous, but that isn't what drives them.
@@jlodge9281 😂 Nepotism at its best!
@@brabra2725 or maybe it's both. Skill is important but if you don't have the money and/or good fortune, you aren't going anywhere.
Bill Maher the saviour...
Bill Maher has signs of rational thinking from time to time.
Partly why I'll still tune in.
Maher has found his voice again and is back on my watch list! Keep these gems coming!
Always nice to hear someone who *isn't* a moralizing right-winger, tell it like it is about Millennials and Gen Z, right? Good for Bill Maher. 👏
@@fiddlerontheroof4099 "tell it like it is" is how they described Trump in 2015
@@nicole_1747 So? I'm not a fan of Trump but what does that have to do with this?
Getting strong Carlin vibes from this video. “You were the laaaaaaaaast winner”.
"You're a loser, Bobby."
Maher barely gets what's happening
As a person living on Earth
Bill is on point
I got a trophy for being 3rd on point
Joking I'm a boomer!
I used to (pre covid) go to a ton of local shows and concerts. There are plenty of talented artists everywhere. There are also plenty of shitty bands. But regarding the talented and entertaining bands that I have seen, not all of them have become famous or huge. You can be extremely talented or belong in a really talented group of people and never gain more than a local following or not really get the recognition you deserve. And every now famous musician once started out with virtually no people knowing about them. Once upon a time no one had ever heard of a talented vocalist named Adele.
Absolutely! Ed Sheeran worked his ass of for years before he became famous. Same for so many other artists. I love a lot of British bands, my favourite being Elbow, they are massive in the U.K. and yet outside the U.K. Same goes for bands such as Arctic Monkeys, Editors, Kasabian, Florence + the machine, hardly anyone outside the U.K. knows them. Maybe because they’re too British sounding? Or maybe because their sound is not mainstream enough?
At last, the best and most sensible comment on here!
@@lilybee7334 Arctic monkeys are famous , one of my fav bands . Although , compared to shitty music , they aren’t that famous as should be .
@@ankurchaudhary3515 I think they might be too British for the American market. And they’re not exactly mainstream.
Well said. Picking on one point in particular, I really hate the entire concept of "influencer" and weep for the generations of people who follow these stains on society.
We had a looser in the WH, for 4 years that had that syndrome, he's had it for all his inane life
Yeah, good artists make the most money. Sure. That's why throughout history so many world-renowned musicians, painters, sculptors and writers were constantly fighting poverty during their lifetimes.
Actually many of history's famous artists and naturalists DID make money. Shakespeare, Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Galileo all received income from various artistic patrons--people who sponsored their work because they were good. Even the Greeks and Romans were big into artistic patronage. The idea of "the struggling artist" primarily rose in the modern era, when patronage died off. Then the struggle became mainly getting distribution. But now with streaming, distribution is a much smaller factor, so Bill is making an excellent point here.
Very sophisticated analysis, not a generalization at all. Artists before the “modern era” were all well fed and living the dream. About as sophisticated as Bill’s analysis which fails to take into account that the songs that are most listened to are the ones that are best marketed and often have little to do with artistic talent. Many of these “successful” songs are also reverse engineered based on beats and musical themes that have patterns known to be catchy and replayable. So unique, creative, complex music is thrown out the door so that people listen to a bunch of songs that sound more and more alike and demand less and less of our own intellectual and artistic nuance.
D Cal most expensive paintings now days are considered Van Gogh. I remember he was very rich and famous, right?
@@dcal6365 Both distribution and gatekeeping are bigger issues with streaming. In the past artists could start their own independent labels, press a few copies and deal with shops directly. With Spotify you need to be on one of a handful of distributors that partner with spotify, or on a label that is on such a distributor. And these aren't entirely hassle-free - you can for instance run into issues when you make a music video and put it on RUclips, because that doesn't go through the distributor and they'll send you a take down notice. The other thing is that the curated playlists on Spotify are a key component in reaching people and where you previously had a lot of different college rock stations across the world, where some indie band would get exposed and then get to other markets, you now have a small number of playlists.
The algorithmy also doesn't help, because if you are relatively small you end up with small sample sizes. If 500 people listen to small indie artist A, there might be 10 each for small indie artists B,C,D,E and F, but maybe 50 listened to something by Gaga, hence the algorithm will take you listening to indie artist A as an indicator that you might like Gaga over indie artists B,C,D,E and F. The combined effect is that artists who weren't massive, but had their audience - think REM or metallica mid-80s - selling 50000 copies of a record, playing venues with 500 people and then made enough money to make another record and go on another tour, where they now might sell 60000 copies and play to 700 people rooms have a harder time. We always had a tail end of records who nobody cared for. But between "Nobody likes this" and Thriller are the Surfer Rosas, the Daydream Nations, the Ocean Rains and English Settlements. The poblem isn't that the 80% of artists who suck don't get a lot of plays, it's that the 19% who don't suck and end up with dedicated fanbases that can name that song that changed their lives get less and less chance to connect with their audiences and to make a living.
He's talking about music today, moron.
I'm a hardcore independent n consider myself quite conservative but, Damn Bill! I think we could find some common ground n fix all this bullshit!!! Atta Boy!