Jordan Peterson discusses whether men and women can ever be equal
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2018
- Psychologist and author Jordan Peterson discusses notions of gender equality with the Wright Stuff panel including Sophie Walker, leader of the Women's Equality Party.
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“What does equality mean to you?”
“Freedom!”
Oh for fucks sake
Wouldn’t be surpirsed if she was asked how you’d measure equality and she answered with: Football fields.
Its like they r stuck in a cage or something lmao
I dont know where she lives but in my country woman can work wherever she wants as long as she have qualifications to get that job . Where is that unequality and slavary of womans XD
Isn't it funny how that 'freedom' she is talking about is actually wanting to force women into areas of expertise they themselves don't want to be in.
There are a bunch of people thinking that equal results is equal to equality, which it isn't. And that is not only in gender department, but also in other stuff like the level of intelligence of someone (which degree/qualifications they have).
Forcing 'equality' has actually taken more freedom away. And has actually taken opportunities away from people who have worked for their opportunities, just because we are forcing equal results in gender, equal results in skin-color, equal results religion. Equal in anything but skill and intelligence.
My thoughts exactly
“What is equality?”
“Freedom”
“Can you expand?”
“I love my job”
🤣🤣🤣 She sounded like she didn't prepare her notes the night before
@@snowysadventures3698 or ever
Yup. She's an utter twit.
@@wwyd4akb 🤣
Blah blah blah blah her job is safe as she can muddy the waters for morons JP is not stupid
Dr. Peterson always backs up his arguments with academic research and knows his stuff. People have the right to disagree with his views. For me, he is a legend, a truly genuine person that wants to help others.
Anyways, you can't disagree with proven facts and put your settled opinion there instead. That's kind of foolish.
Facts beat feelings every time.
@@robertbarkovicz800 yeah this woman just plainly ignored the facts of a very important study. She just comes up with her unicorn riding around in her brain and says it will work. Everything is socially constructed if you are a social constructionist.
People are often extremely offended by objective reality if it doesn’t align with their preferred “reality”.
Is the most logical thing regarding this matter...I guess not all this majority is rigth but we are talking what is "fair " so...is fair enough to use studies and research ...
Something I admire about Jordan is that he really does research on every possible angle or scenario
It's his field of study. It's really him and other people that don't know what they are talking about.
@@vertualvice Jordan seems to be the only person to show up to these debates with receipts.
Anything that has to do with a human, Jordan will know.
Can you tell me please where I can find this research? apparently you must have read the "data" he talks about, right? As I was astonished by what he says I decided to make some research as well and I am finding the opposite of what he says.
I am myself a French woman engineer, and in France the number of women engineers keeps increasing. So yeah, if someone has the numbers he talks about I am interested.
From MDPI:
"Increase in Women Engineers
Last year, we featured senior scientist Dr. Katalin Balazsi in our article for Women in Engineering Day. The article focused on the low proportion of female engineers in several different countries.
In 2021, in a few countries, such as Norway and Latvia, over 50% of engineers were female."
@@ninaherge6991 you must be brain dead or something this was 5 years ago numbers change dummy
"What is your definition of equality?"
"Equality is good for everyone"
Where do they find these people?
Equality is only good for losers, not for winners, who would lose for the sake of miserable losers. Sad thing that there is much more losers and they will pull more and more people with them, because it's just easier to not even work hard, just force others to give their share. Usually they use our feelings, usually females and feminine men (losers) are these or vote for these people. We know them, they are leftist. They can't handle reason, logic, statistics or facts. Immidiate blameshifting and shaminglanguage strikes usually in. If they can't do that, they start to cry, because they got hurt.
@@N0T2BAD Why wouldn't equality of opportunity be good for winners? It's not like they are going to lose now just because everyone has an equal chance. Equality of outcome is stupid though.
@@sulaimans That's already given to most of people. But yep, I agree that it should be in future too of course. But if people don't even realise why you are among those "losers", that isn't any reason to blame and cry about inequality (of outcome). :)
I laughed my butt off at that!!!
In pollitics, you can hear her plug her party later in the video.
Why do women pressure other women to get involved in fields they are not interested in just to create gender balance, it's ridiculous
WE NEED MORE FEMALE PLUMBERS
@@weaponized666 not a bad idea XD
That's just the kind of logic these "progressives" don't want.
Because it's the future plus the women need to take the male role when men don't go to university and when more girls do.
I am a woman. I studied in mathematics & I am very “feminine” & Christian. I feel that people hearing Peterson often use that to let go their hate of women. Yes the left goes too far. But the right is worse with all those Zionist Evangelicals pro war^^. Today, left or right, it’a just a trap. Peterson brings nice elements which I agree a lot, but sometimes he becomes dangerous to people too simple to really listen.
What a legend Jordan. There is never gonna be equality because we are different
All people are different
@@fvwak sure, but why haven't I ever met a woman working in the oil fields?
Nobody is stopping them..
@@eonreeves4324🤐
if we measure everyone by what position they hold in government or high paying jobs then no one is equal. Woman can give birth so men are already unequal to women because men cannot give birth (regardless of what modern day people say that have lost touch with reality)
@@eonreeves4324..or on a construction site (doing something other than holding signs or counting things).
I'm in STEM field for almost two decades. The company I belong to is pushing very hard with equalising men and women in our field. My company is using meritocracy in yearly employee performance evaluation for many years. Recently, with gender inclusion and equality, I've witnessed a lot of political move to promote more women. Now, as a woman, that's awesome. My problem with it though is that clearly some of the women who were being pushed for promotion are clearly not ready yet and everyone in the closed-door performance evaluation room knows it! I tried to speak out for a peer of that woman (a male) for promotion and iterated what he has done which is clearly more valuable, but I got shut down. This invalidates all the hard work of rising to the top by women like me for many years in STEM field. If I get promoted to the next level next time, now I have a doubt if its really about the good work I've done for the past year or is it just because I have female parts in between of my legs? So no, in my opinion, equalising the outcome is not good especially for those women in STEM field who tried their very best in rising to the top of their game.
Well said. People in general regardless of gender, race or whatever should be treated equally. People should not be promoted to fulfill a quota, but because their performance deserves it. To do anything else degrades the person, is not good for the business and potentially promotes resentment in the workforce in my opinion.
@markwith140. Well said, except your understanding of equality and equity is backwards. Equality is about equal treatment. Equity is about pushing for equal outcomes, regardless of merit or qualification.
....it's just another political trick by the higher up to crack the whip on labor to become more obedient, more a functionary, more "looking the part"... the corporations now have quotas of equality to fill, they can bully those lower on the hierarchy to "act" the part. It's just Big Brother closing his fist to gain tighter & tighter control over the sheeples behavior, just like ALL governments' response to COVID.
I told a female coworker five years ago, that the only reason why she got the opportunity was because she was female. Yes, she was a good worker. And a hard worker. She lacked the experience for the position. And there were many men, including myself, that way many years of experience than she, who deserved the position. But that what the company wanted. It’s not about male or female. It’s about the best person for the job.
Understood, I think I saw a different definition, but meant what you said.
Everyone is a gangsta until Jordan calmly explain why they are not.
Lmao😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣
And they are gonna get the evidence data and statistic and additional info you never thought you might need that you are not a gangsta
Best
Funny she wears long hair, a dress, earrings, long nails for someone against female stereotypes and anything gender traditional
“What does equality mean to you”
“freedom”
boy this should be a good one
lol, i thought exactly the same, but my answer to her would be:"Where are your chains? where is your ball wrapped around the anckle?"
@Stroke My thought was, those are two completely different words that are not similar at all.
@@AHSears yeah dude i whas like wtf did she misunderstood him or something
Faithless well she’s in the UK so she doesn’t have certain freedoms (freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, etc.)
There is no equality (scientifically, mathematically, etc.) without boundaries, rules, and framework. Therefore, freedom cannot exist where there is equality -- particularly equality of outcome. This is an inarguable characteristic of the universe.
"Can you explain equality? "
"Freedom."
"Can you elaborate? "
" Freedom is good for everyone. "
" I love my job. "
😂 😆
"Knowledge is Good"-Emil Faber
Shes quite an intellectual..
Not.
"I like turtles!" ~ the I like turtles kid
equlity meain male and female same oppurcunity should be ❤
he , she any think wanna be free should be that , s meain think
freedom also relate it, .
😂
Jordan Peterson is the hero of our time and age!
Jordan must feel like the sober guy at a party full of drunks.
I know the feeling well, I couldn't put it better.
I was that guy LITERALLY & most of my so called friends called me a coward because I didn't drink alcohol (still don't)😃
Benny D I was speaking in metaphor.
phil doodler
Some of these appearances make me feel so sorry for him. You can see him physically manifest his irritation with the morons he suffers. At least his book is being plugged.
He is the sober guy, in a room full of drunk idiots.
She said “we need to get more boys thinking about nursing” talk about forcing your ideology on little children for equality of outcome, and then you preach equality is freedom?
Good point!
She hung herself,and contradicts the point she tries to make.She is part of the indoctrination that is so prevalent in the lefts ideology.
@Shayyan Ali Don't try to figure it out you just go bonkers and thats exactly what some like her want,is confusion.The old saying goes,"B.S baffles brains".Just stick to the good old fashioned common sense,learn by your mistakes and never try to over think something,thats where people go bonkers and there is no resolve.
Most underrated comment I've ever seen.
ian damn I actually read this whole paragraph.
this is as rational vs emotional as it gets - brilliant
It was wonderful to listen to Dr. Peterson and for the conversation to be civil.
“Women don’t get enough coverage in media” - whenever I look into media it’s all about women and feminism. Permanently.
I know, right? My answer to people who claim that, is to just watch other things. The only person who can decide what I see is myself.
@bigpink pencil My god, seems like every comment you make, you sound more stupid. You're in a bubble.
TV is made for women, by women.
Exactly
@bigpink pencil I don't see any programs only for guys but you get Loose Women and guff like that.
I’m a woman. Jordan Peterson represents my voice much better than nearly every woman I hear in media or politics. 😂
Right!?
Did I ask???
@ The Cove: I would have loved to have lunch with you or gone on a long beach hike where we could draw stuff in the sand. We could have had "down and dirty" conversations (honest, realistic ) about gender differences. But, socially constructed underlying gender issues usually prevent this types of free dialogs. I love strong honest women who tell truths boldly and as free of feminist crap as possible.
Trust me, men and women are very different in many ways.... and biology is basically why.
Agreed.
Candas Owens?
most pleasurable part of this for me was when Jordan Peterson kept quiet and stayed composed after talking, to listen to the other speakers but they still didn't make any major point to undermine or invalidate what he had said earlier . ..... LEGENDARY !!!!!!
Self Enlightenment is hard earned, not for everyone? Mirrors of consciousness, are in the mind of reflection!😅🙏
I think Jordan made his point, again.
OTOH, I was impressed by what the MC said at the end:
There was actual discussion and no screaming or name calling and, although, as I said,
I think Jordan's point are more factual, the dabate was more than cordial and it was, indeed, wonderful to see.
I was disappointed because I don't this woman represents that side of the argument very well at all with her points
if women truly got paid less, employers would only employee women
@roven 08 did you even understand what he said?
You are essentially agreeing with him
Women are paid less because they do not work same as men!
If they did work the same as men but were still getting payed less then every capitalist venture would go for the cheaper labour who do the same work for less pay than men?!
Most of the time. I really believe all these sjw things have truth to them, but they are ALL overblown to a huge degree
Getting Jacked they dont have any truth. Since the beginning of time a certain amount of people have loved playing the victim and creating falsehoods to push an agenda that makes them feel like they have power
dobattlers they do have truth. Do some cops abuse their power? Of course. We’ve seen footage of it. But the majority don’t do that. It’s just the law of percentages. The issue with sjw is that they act like everything is an epidemic and they end up crying wolf because whatever issue they are talking about doesn’t actually happen as often as they claim. Do you get me?
Smart observation Sophie
Host: what is equality for you?
Woman: freedom.
Host: can you be more specific?
Woman: I love my job.
3rd wave feminazi 😆
😭😭😭
That's because she couldn't say: "Basically women get everything for free and everyone has to do as I say."
What a stupid answer - it sounded like she did not even understand the question. Feminsts are super stupid.
@@pingpong9656 I think she actually tried to understand, but wanted to bring up the research she had prepared. I don't know who she is, but she seems way too underqualified for this discussion. When you compare her to other feminists he's been discussing with, she's tolerable.
Very true. In software development it's a very small percentage of women. I am a developer myself. I have only worked with men more than women. All the 10 years of my experience, I have been working as a single woman candidate in the entire Engineering team. Women start as a developer. Then they either get married and don't work or they switch to managerial side as they don't want to work under pressure.
I am a woman, was a programmer. When I gave birth to my son, I quit my job to raise him full time.
@@zengjanezhuprops to you.
Jordan was definitely the smartest person in that room at the time.
Hating women is the way to go these days. Of course men love a man who hates women read the comment section to see how much men hate women. Peterson can barely hide his hatred of females.
He always is !
Jordan Peterson's patience while he's surrounded by illogical people is incredible.
There was nothing more for him to say, really. He so effortlessly exposed the foolishness of her argument that there was no way for her to recover. His job was done.
HI Rameez K, Jordan is a lot more patient than I would have been. I'm a woman and I wanted to jump down her throat. The blond guy made the most sense. Women still have the babies, and until science finds a way for men to have babies, things won't and can't change. BTW, it's already illegal to pay women less than men for doing the same job.
mine too!!...just listening
@@GustAdlph the equal pay act was passed in the 1960s in the US. Like cmon people
He sounds annoyed as hell to me. At one point he's so pissed he can't even look at that chick.
She's not listening to him. She just ignoring all the evidence he's presenting
Yep, showed herself up by ignoring the study he quoted and saying "I'm interested in studies such as...."....what she actually meant was she's only interested in studies that prove her point.
Yes because, feelings.
She is also not understanding him.
A useful idiot in other words....
actually, almost every women who debates with Mr. Peterson does that. Its a pattern.
We gotta look at what we are externalizing and what we are internalizing. One of them is key.
I love Jordan Peterson, He is exellent in every way possible, Thank you!!!
I honestly feel bad for Peterson, it's like he's the only sane man on the pannel, every time
The only sane person.
The only sane human being.
nope! i am sure there are many panel discussions where others were intelligent too, but we wouldn't see them on YT because they are not viral.
Yeah but comments like this and millions of views from supporters make him continue to push.
You can see him wince at the repetitiveness of the arguments that are put to him.
To quote a Twitter post I saw recently:
Isn't it amazing that a man who feels he's a woman is "born this way", yet a man who knows he's a man is "a product of social conditioning and environment".
D. S. 😂 lol this is good. I’m gonna use this sometime
Exactly, transgenderism contradicts feminist theories quite nicely.
One thing is gender identity as such, the societal norms that apply to each respective gender, after it has been established are a second thing. Differentiating would really help an honest argument, because it decreases the chances if people misunderstanding one another
@@joecarom391 and those two things happen totally independent from one another right? Boys like to pkay with toy cars at a very young age bc they are already shaped like that, right?
Its just so curious that transgender people often like to behave in a "stereotypical" way that is associated with the opposite sex.
@@TheBaioken the difference between nature and nurture is more complex than that, certain stereotypes and cliches are present in the media, and it's naiv to believe that that doesn't hold effect on people. If anything it's so ingrained that people don't question it. All typical behaviors? Didn't say that. Some are propagated for sure.
Not to say that all of them are bad, and that people might feel comfortable with them. Especially when empowering.
As for transgenders, they often feel the need to overperform their gender, because they are scared of not being accepted as transgender otherwise.
Jordan Peterson's absolute genius
After I got my bachelors in physics (with astrophysics) I didn't go into it further because I didn't want to be fighting an uphill battle for the rest of my life, being viewed as "lesser than". I found some writing that I "wanted it" on the desks in the lecture halls, and even though I came top of Advanced Quantum Physics (shocking!) I just couldn't be bothered with the shock and awe that I faced everywhere that I studied physics and was a girl. A few years later I got a masters in clinical research and entered the life sciences industry which is filled with women. I have worked with 90% women ever since and I never feel out of place or like anyone is judging me. But I'm still aware that I was a more capable physicist than the vast majority of males on that course.
I absolutely believe what you say, and am truly angry that you got the way you were treated. Men in the workplace can still act like jerks, I suspect that you could still have risen up the ladder if your work had warranted it if you had stayed. Cream rises. As a young man I was treated similarly by women when I worked in a work place where I was the only man in a female dominated workplace. It needs a more balanced workplace, bur that still needs to be based on merit. Workplace impropriety needs to be addressed at the same time.
When was that? Personally given the affirmative action type of policy for the past decades, particularly past few years, when a woman or a minority excluding Asians got the job or won the highly contested scholarship, I wondered is it because of equity policy? That kind of mindset of course hurt women and minorities who got there by their own merits, but how an outsider knows, given so brazen equity policies. Like the SP 500 companies for the past three years only 6% of their new hires are white in a white dominant country.
You know, there are better male physicists than you
And don't you think the life sciences should be equalised so that men have equal numbers there?
She is not a thinker, she is an activist,
Exactly
@Chainvelocity CH In an ideal sense perhaps, but most "activists" these days are under the impression that "whining" is in fact doing something important ("raising awareness" and "waking people up" are the common slogan rationales).
She is an activist and à sick one too.
Perfectly said
Women and thinking do not go hand in hand.
99% of bricklayers are men. We must force more woman to become bricklayers.
Its the clown in the blonde wig I'm suspicious of.
Machines can do that, 99% of programmers and mechanical engineers are men too though lol.
Most women go for easy jobs, that’s just the way it is. Easy jobs have supply though so the demand is low = low pay. They aren’t asking for an increase in wage for garbage men paid by the gov, only education as it’s mostly female and a cushy job compared to trades or STEM fields.
women*
I don't think the idea of equality means we should force them to do it. Equality means we should allow them to do it if they wish to and are able to, without harassment or prejudice.
That the most incoherent crap I have ever read. You don't read much do you. Go and drink your beer and watch some teletubbies or something.
Jordan owns it again and again and again! Bravo! Hat off!
Men and women are equal but they are different, and those differences should be equally valued and respected.
Watching Jordan Peterson debate the average uk tv personality is like watching a NASA computer debate a fridge magnet.
This comment has no where near the love it deserves.
Love this 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻
XD good comparison
Excellent 👌😀
lmao.. 😂
Jordan has said in his lectures, "if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. " Clearly, he's in the wrong room.
1000%
That's btw not from him originally
The sad truth to that statement is that, if we all followed it religiously, we'd all end up in rooms by ourselves. That's not a good outcome.
I think on this occasion, he may have even been in the wrong building.
I think he has said before that these interviews and Morning TV Shows tire him out. He had considered turning them down multiple times because they get him on not to debate, but to attack him and he has admitted constantly falling into the trap.
Fascinating
The patience of Job. What an incredible talent and skill to have. JP has mastered that.
I love how she says "freedom" like it's a mic drop, then the host is like, "ummm how about we try again, but with a good answer this time"
@Assoluto Cosmico well: they usually do
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hahaha
@Assoluto Cosmico Well if they had a live audience of women there that comment would be met with thunderous applause..
I was worried that the audience will start clapping and I'll lose it
Never seen so much inequality.
Jordan holds 95% of all the IQ in the room.
Hahahahaha xD 😂
then again you're looking at the extremes of the gaussian distribution :P
😂
You're too generous; its more like, 98.9% of the IQ on that studio set. Speaking of which, reeks of too much soy product (the other participants) overload that they, in turn, hold an inverse 99% dominant majority therewith. (Compared to Jordan that is)
The burden of not being an idiot borderlines being a curse.
Now a days it's nearly a death sentence, socially for sure though.
Jordan ❤❤
Kudos, Jordan Peterson.
Him: What is equality to you?
Her: Freedom
Him: Can you elaborate?
Her: I think its good for everyone
Wow so profound
You cant forget "I love my job"
"I'm interested in the data as well. Like that one study that validates my opinion."
Technically she did elaborate... 🤷
@@raedbk7234 That sound eerily sexist
@@raedbk7234 keep it to yourself. Losers who want pussy and women who have been told otherwise will hate you.
Dr. Peterson didn‘t even use 10% of his power lmao
Stranger2Langley nah, not even 1%
He did not even need to go super saiyan, he is still in his base form.
Everyone knows he's smarter than most people on tv. He's just taking a breather lol.
He could out-debate her using someone else’s lesser brain.
Jordan: It's not even my final form!
Jordan 💪💪💪💪💪 man speaks truth 🙏🙏🙏
Imagine being the leader of the Women's Equality Party and not knowing what equality is.
Hahahaha nailed it, mate.
Nah she knows equality is... just not fair equality, or equality that makes sense 😂
there is no 'equality', that's why people with agendas make up their own definitions. there is equity.
But she said it's freedom
@@waitthisisnotpornhub3860 freedom of what? Complete freedom? Are men completely free to do whatever they want?
This title is clickbait: Jordan Peterson supports equality of opportunity, which is the only kind of equality worth having.
It’s UK media, it’s ALL pro left wing and click bait
@@nano4778 same in the US. unfortunate that the corporate media chooses to divide us based on superficiality and identity politics, knowing that most people will concede to their emotions rather than their rationality.
jeremys a tool
@@kdburner7356 the Tories are tools
I hope you do know that Peterson said he doesn’t think women and men could work together because the women will distract the men working. I can try to look up the video if you want. Also here Peterson talk he always gives “non-answers” but slightly imposes his views. These replies give him leeway by saying “I never said women will distract men I just said when women show up to work they where makeup and proactive clothes which may not be good around men.”
she said it, optimistic and hopeful.
When I started listening to Jordan and debates including him I thought of him as a complete genius with these brilliant ideas, observation and analysis, almost supernatural. And while he is definitely intelligent, the more I listen to him nowadays, the more I find him as a normal* and sane guy curious of research with interest of evidence and truth at heart. It makes me optimistic that it's not necessarily intelligence that make people see things things for what they are.
*Normal to my standards
normal is the new genius
"what is equality for you?"
"i think equality is better for everyone"
oki
Freedom!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
peperoni pizza
equality means getting stuff for which one didn't work. (in short, it means SH1T!)
i was just gonna say the same thing i guess only Indians notice this 😂😂😂😂 she so dumb she made no sense not all
No, she respond : freedom. But your brain is not "equal " 😁
Peterson: If you try to run through a wall, you will hurt yourself.
Woman: Thats an interesting theory.
let's try it! the only thing to fear is fear itself!
EZ Assegai: LOL! Woman should try that test , to prove the "theory" !
However, if you hurt yourself, it's a man's fault, cause men built this wall.
"It just hurt because I didn't try enough."
@@stotterotter8003 "thats not REAL RUNNING"
I appreciated the civility of the conversation. Unfortunately, the US is unable to do so.
3:26
Jordans reaction to what she said was priceless
Never say "equality of outcome" in front of Jordan Peterson.
She knew she fucked up as soon as she said it
@bigpink pencil yes, the place where the science has been done
Aha!
@@xrphoenix7194 Sadly these people doesn't care about the result of science unless it fits their agenda.
@@bertert158 true which sucks because if they stop we as humans could grow
Jordan’s best quality is not his intelligence, it’s his patience.
No it's probably that he actually researched what he was talking about.
Nice stolen comment.
He's so patient he went into a medically induced coma to avoid withdrawal from benzos
@@steffenh4775 true
OMG truth
"I love how this video dives deep into [subject] while keeping it entertaining and engaging. Kudos to the creator!"
As Scandinavian I can vouch for this.
Jordan Peterson: "The overwhelming proportion of people who are in prisons are male. Do you wanna equalize that?
Feminist quietly swallows saliva.
Bahahahah
Well actually, if she was quick enough, the answer would have been yes. By putting in programmes that equalize men and women by REDUCING the number of men in prison down to the same no. as women in prison.
chambo1010 Yeah, we’re investing so much focus in pushing women ahead because they’re “disadvantaged”. How about some attention to males from low-socioeconomic backgrounds to reduce incarceration numbers?? That’s a more clear-cut pressing problem to me. Then the feminists will say “but they choose to do crimes”... but don’t women “choose to do lower paid occupations, degrees, hours, etc”?? Then they’ll say “yes but that’s because of gender-normative social pressure etc”... okay “what if that’s the case for low-socioeconomic male felons “... feminist: “but they choose to do crimes”... me: “okay but why”... feminists “because they just do”.. me: “no, be fair, you have to give *some* reason/s”... feminist is then logically cornered to say either male biology/hormones, or social conditioning/pressure for lower-socioeconomic men, or some combination. If they say biology, then that’s straight up hypocrisy, since I say biology is a reason women make lower paid career choices (ie having kids, working less, for “female” careers etc), OR if they say socio-cultural reasons, then that’s the same argument they are giving for females not enrolling in STEM university courses... or if they say discrimination is a cause, then same thing, that’s what they say about the gender pay gap - same thing, hypocrisy. Regardless of which reason they pick, male incarceration rates is at least just as much of a problem as gender pay gap. If they refuse to choose to acknowledge reasons for men’s “choice” to commit crimes (ie. the reason is just that they “choose”) then that means it’s equally valid for me to say the same thing that it’s just that across the board women “choose” lower paid work situations. The truth is, for both issues, it’s different combinations of all of these factors. I think there’s a much more solid case for lower-socioeconomic men being “discriminated” against by the system then for women being “discriminated” against in this day and age.
That argument didn’t even make sense. What does it have to do with anything?
Jordan usually gives great arguments so I put him at a far higher standard than that. You kinda come off as one of those people who behaves in a way he doesn’t really condone. Like you probably go around talking about leftists this and leftists that and call them libtards. You can’t have real thoughts or opinions when you’re so heavily bias.
chambo1010 you’re smart
Jordan: Two plus two equals four.
Feminist: I want it to be six.
Jordan: But it isn't.
Feminist: But since I'm an optimist, I still think it could be six.
Jordan: Whatever.
Feminist: If we get the media on our side we can make them think its 6
its the medias fault its 4 after all
Ahahhahahahahahahhsah
At the end of the talk jordan says whatever jesus this is brilliant xD
You have a perfect grasp of this entire conversation.
Not what feminist is about but ok...
if you have two pieces to a puzzle both being the same size and configuration that fit together perfectly; what is the point of which piece is the more important or superior if the joining creates harmony and balance?
what a charismatic personality the anchor has!
Peterson: [Says Fact supported by data and studies]
Woman: "That's an interesting theory"
It is clear example that man and woman don't thing the same.
"Jordan is interested in scientific and evolutionary data, I'm interested in society and its gender bias" In other words JP is interested in facts, her in non-provable theories that men are sitting around thinking of ways to hold women back.
This is a huge issue with the left(American Left for my example). The Right will just deny studies but they are consistent on what they deny, while the Left cherry pick to their agenda and tend to be very hypocritical because of it and typically illogical. They echo chamber hard and if you corner one in a debate its very easy to out wit them
I'm a 555 like , but will that stop apocalypse?
This
I can't understand why Jordan Peterson is so popular-he makes way too much sense.
Rare thing nowadays
Yeah, they should ban people who make too much sense!
Gregg Everman so far they are trying to make them censored. Because the loudest people are thinking he’s a horrible person. The majority agree with him.
You got me in the first half, ngl
What a poignant comment. Very well said.
Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed person,” Mark Twain.
I love how Jordan can say shut the fu{k up in so many words
"Okay, but, I don't like those statistics, so this is what I believe instead"
Lol
Statistics can be manipulated to tell very big lies, however, this has never been done by jordan, only by those who argue against himz
Said every leftist ever
@@gravinboginagis6568 Everything you know can be a lie. Its up to you to find wich is the truth. But sweet lies work better than hurtfull truths for the mentaly weak.
~Verno
@@vyrenvygolo2429 bruh I’m gonna print that out and stick it on me my bedroom wall,
Of course men and women aren't equal.
Men and men aren't even equal.
Souls aren't real. Your value is your merit and ability. These are physical and mental characteristics. Some people are really smart, but are in a wheelchair. Some people are really strong, but dumb as bricks. Expecting Mike Tyson to be as good a physicist as Stephen Hawking, Stephen Hawking to be as good a boxer as Mike Tyson, or women to work as hard and be as strong and capable as men, is retarded. Equality isn't true of men, and it isn't true of women either. Percentile for percentile, men are better than women at damn near everything. And thanks to traps, we now know that "damn near everything" includes being better at "being women".
There are biological differences in both the body and the brain that enforce gender roles and your biology doesn't actually care if your chosen politics find that problematic or not. You can get on board with it, or you can fight it and lose. That's why the gender roles exist. Women are emotional and manipulative and seek dependability and resources and commitment because they raise children, and those skills make them successful at it. Men are strong and responsible and logical because they have to take care of and provide for the family, and those skills make them successful at it. A woman's decisions and opinions don't need to be right, because when she's wrong the man fixes it. So she can be irrational and still raise children. But a man has to be competent, or his role as provider won't actually work, because there's no double-man above him to bail him out. The buck stops with him, which is why the man is the head of the household.
Thanks for clarifying.
@@williambarnes5023 Equal, but not the same
@@williambarnes5023 maybe you don't have a soul or are you just being an arsesoul?
*"maybe you don't have a soul or are you just being an arsesoul?"*
That's brilliant. You should write material for feminist comedians.
I was taught about appearance based identity politics at a progressive comprehensive school, I’m now 27 and I can testify that a sensitive perception to race and sex are just that. Thanks to the do gooders for the social anxiety and clockwork orange sensibilities but otherwise I was messed up by this systemic childhood development.
I’ve noticed that the equity of socio sexual status is also becoming a significant theme not just in conversation, people’s social perspective has been robbed of organic nuance.
Man: Lays out scientific facts
Woman: "So his theory..."
i agree but its not a MAN, WOMAN thing
Tommy Coyle oh, yes it is - at least a strong preponderance. I agree on most issues with Julia Hartley Brewer, but she’s at the extreme tail of the female bell curve in terms of logical thinking, c.f. emotional thinking.
hahaha u scoundrel
I dunno man, she sounds like a moron to me.
Insult upon insult
The blonde guy doesn't even realize that there is a massive difference between equality of opportunity and outcome. I don't know how Jordan comes out sane after talking to these people.
Many people are in the same case. They are too dumb to realize there is a difference 😔
Fr
Can someone explain the difference of equality of outcome and oppurtunity
@@riob7119 equal opportunity would say that if two people have the same skill set ie one man and one woman they will have a completely equal opportunity (ie likelyhood of success in interview) when applying for say a nursing job say (Jordan would certainly agree with this). Equal outcome would say that there should be 50% male nurse and 50% female nurses in a hospital (Jordan does not agree with this).This is because if you took 1,000 men and 1,000 women, a higher number of woman would want to go into a caring profession such as nursing. This is partly environmental, but also partly genetic. If you tried to equalise everything in the environment as they have tried in Scandanavia more woman would still want to do nursing as this is a genetic trait. So paradoxically if you decide equal outcome is essential people will have less choice at doing things they actually want to do.
@@riob7119 JBP explains it well in the video. But sure, let me give a try.
Equal opportunity ensures that regardless of which groups you belong to as an individual, you are provided with the same rights and the same access to the opportunities. For example, say there are 10 vacancies for a job in a company. Regardless of your gender, race, sexual orientation or what not, you are eligible to submit an application in order to be considered for the job.
Equality of outcome is about prioritizing the group identities. Your group identity takes the primary focus and your individual character takes the secondary focus. So considering the same example above, if the company wants to ensure equality of outcome, they will select the 10 hires according to the proportions of numerous groups in the population. If women account for 50% of the population 5 vacancies should go to women. If 30% of the population are from the minority race, 3 vacancies should go to the candidates from that race. If 10% of the population are gay, then at least 1 gay person should get the job.
Equality of outcome completely ignores the individual capabilities, social, cultural and biological contexts. It simply talks about quotas. Quota for women, quota for colored, quota for gay, quota for this and quota for that. It is a never ending catastrophe, which could result in right person not getting the opportunity. Plus if you are an individual in a group, which they think that deserves a quota, even if you did get the job solely based on your merits, you will think of yourself, and will be labeled within your peers as a quota entry, which is highly unfair, yet cannot avoid as long as we practice quotas.
If you are a girl, You wouldn't want to be a "girl" engineer. You would just want to be an ENGINEER.
I like how she avoided the first question straight away and sneaked in some sweet talk to sugar coat the poison and sneak it in right at the end of her sentence
On point ☝️
"I think the difference between Jordan and I is that we lean towards different theories"
Nah mate, the difference between Jordan and you is about 10 000+ research papers and 40 IQ points.
hahahahahahah
I think 40 is being far too generous to her
at least 60
exactly that
The Iq difference is over 9000
"What is equality, Sophie?"
"Equality is freedom."
"Can you be more specific?"
"I think equality is for everyone. I love my job, because . . . "
Oh my God this lady is just a political robot. She's so afraid of saying anything at all, she says nothing at all.
😹
HAHAHA. It was painful to watch really
Lol pure fluff, talk about candy coating socialism! Fluff flufff, egaulty of outcome for everyone, fluff flufff fluff, freedom and Eutopia, fluff fluff fluff purge the haters, lock down, mandatory genicide,, purge the haters...
@Wilfried MBANG he said they increase
Lol dumbasses cant even answer a simple question when asked
Jordan Peterson satisfied every argument when he started.
Actually the archetype of the IT girl in movies and TV shows has been around for a pretty long time now and it hasn’t affected the imbalance in the IT world
Exactly!
And as where IT-boys/men are still presented as nerds, socially awkward and not very good looking, the IT-girls/women are portrayed as very strong, smart, self secure and good looking.
Peterson: It's not my Theory, it's fact based on scientific data.
Feminist: But my feelings...
It is funny how she started out with feelings....a theory...and he shut that down pretty quick.
Thats very funny because actually men tend to react logically and women emotionally
Lobster hierarchies bro. Science.
lol...in the face of hard empirical data that goes against her opinion, she resorted to arguing "i think me and Jordan have a different way of interprating evidence" .,, yeah lady, yours seems to be in a 'not human' way
@@Kimkong2 she's right though, they do have a different way of interpreting evidence, because they have different theoretical filters. Problem is, she seems closed off to hearing opposing evidence, and yet somehow she sees (projects) that as JP's flaw. Reminds me of that bald idiot who tried to ask JP "Are you open to learning"?
Women: "We want equal jobs"
Men: "Loads of brick layers wanted"
Women: "We don't want it that equal"
The eye opening omission is the "end results". Just for sh*t and giggles, put men VS women brick layers. Let's see WHO will finish the job first. ALL business owners will choose the most efficient team. I'm not saying women can't do the job but...time is money.
Right. I love how she has absolutely no answer to his stats on men's work
*gets drafted into iraq*
Oh yeah, it's incredibly transparent. I've never heard a single feminist argue that more women should go into waste management, powerline repair, mining, construction, etc. All the disgusting, hazard-pay jobs that most people are lucky to not have to do.
Phillip Woody Shepherd I agree
Legendary takedown JP
I love how she said FREEDOM and stopped talking like that was the clearest idea ever
She literally said " we should program women to go into stem field" like wtf you tryna brainwash them
When they accidentally put Jordan’s opponent on recruit difficulty
She's just trying to make sure she stays on topic, doesn't actually know wtf she's on about, just like an AI on recruit difficulty.
Yes and his counter arguments about prison, brick laying etc. was fire
Somebody watches Birdman lmao
Yep 10 seconds in... and total idiot... confirmed...
Mumbo Elite #birdmanisthebestman
Men run faster because their body is differently structured.
Feminist: Everyone should have the same body structure.
Dávid Nyilas 😂😂👍🏻
More importantly,
Feminists: Everyone should run with the same speed.
@Lzb Lmvm Women aren't dumb. Certain cultures and societies have indoctrinated women into believing an illusion about how this world works. Overall I think women are smart but they have bought a lie that seems flattering to them that all their problems can be blamed on "men", and this "patriarchal" society. And if we can just remove men, or weaken men, or destroy men, then suddenly feminine problems will largely go away. They are wrong.
@@darkhorse5232 but you have to admit, you would have to be pretty stupid to believe that.
i say to them, good luck trying to convince god to make women built like men
We will never be the same!!!! We are both unique men and woman
I sold hand-crafted wood toys for 20 years. Countless times I saw parents give their kids free choice in deciding what they wanted and in what color. My observations convinced me unequivocally that when given the freedom to do so, boys and girls almost always make gender-specific choices - especially when it comes to blue and pink.
She doesn't listen when others talk. She just keeps talking her script.
It’s waste of time arguing with these people
holepeople.exe
There's two types of people in the world, those who listen and those who wait to talk
yeah but equal .
So you're saying...
His major power is he doesn't lose his cool while answering, we have something to learn here boys.
Honestly every time I stay cool in an argument it gets the other guys so pissed
No... he does lose it sometimes -- but he's great when he's angry too!
THIS
*boys AND girls. Equality remember
noted ✍️
The salient question is: If complete, absolute equality could be achieved as these ideologues define it, who would want that, and would it be beneficial or even useful in any way?
That wig looks amazing!
She’s all about “equality of outcome” until Jordan says that women should also be brick layers, then she reverts to the “maximizing choice” idea...
She was confused about this from the beginning.
I've had 2 separate jobs in construction. I did residential framing and ran a cnc/installed countertops. Guess how many women we had working for us! Zero. And its not because they wouldn't hire women. Its just none applied. I now work for a restaurant. We have 16 females and only 6 guys. With 8 females compared to 3 males who are 20 and older. Women choice not to go into better paying fields.
Brad Maggard bingo.
Feminist only want equality of outcome if there’s a lot of money or power involved in it. Along with a desk job.😂
It is virtually impossible to have equality of outcome and equality of choice, they are mutually exclusive, and it's ridiculously obvious to anyone with half a brain.
"teaching boys and girls ideas of pink and blue"- and she is wearing pink and all the guys wearing blue.
What a moron she is!
@@TheTeehee11111 Great observation!
@@koin88love I know that was obvious but it's a good way for me to dissipate my frustration by writing it down😂
😂
On the surface that would seem like a good arguement. but i can imagine already that her response would be that they are just fallling into the stereotypes that are forced upon them. Part of the reason that their arguements still live on despite the evidence pointing the other way is that they can easily disregard the evidence. The point in the video above where this is most obvious is when Jordan said that the Scandanavian countries are trying it and failing. She responed by saying, well they aren't there yet. She like all the equality of outcome supporters has built up a huge repository of arguements and counters that bypass the evidence. It makes them very difficult to effectively debate on short interviews because you dont have time to pull apart each arguement. but if She were put against him in a longform debate, I think it would be much easier to tear down her arguements.
"Uhhh Freedom!!!!"
She’s better than most he’s gone up against .
She wasn’t rude, didn’t try and shout him down and actually agreed with him
I love how he sits there with no emotion on his face, and patiently destroys people🤣🤣🤣
If you get mad, you already lost the discussion.
Inside, I can guarantee that he's fuming, he's just fantastic at maintaining his composure and being patient. He knows that if he listens carefully, he can better rebut any points someone makes because he won't misrepresent their perspective.
@@ianwulf24 I don't know about fuming. I find it difficult to listen when I'm angry. Also, its kinda hard to dwell on how something that was said makes you feel when you're constantly trying to be attentive to the ongoing discussion.
Maybe JP got upset looking back on the things that were said here but I doubt he had time to in the moment.
I think the lady understands it... because of empathy, just because she didnt say all the ideas, it doesnt mean she doesnt agree with his point... and women are considered as great for taking care of kids, that women realised they have to be patient with the small kids, who create lot of mess in house, because kids from 0 to 7 are highly creative according to scientists, because kids brain is in state of theta which means imagination, so kids dont have ability to understand what is wrong what is good, so the mothers have lot of work with them all day to protect them........while men dont have the same amount of patience, and men desire to do creative jobs, to have potential of the jobs....instead of sitting all day with 2 year old, and feed the kid and bath the kid and wash the clothes..Women realize they also want the creative job to feel a freedom and not depend only on men, who bring money to house, but they also love motherhood, but its difficult to do both.. I think some women understand the hardships of men and their jobs, but women only dislike arrogant types of men, who are competitive but dont have other values... and of course there may be women who dont understand men, but its great if both understand each other.
Jordan said excellent thing...Men have most difficult job that women cant do, building houses etc..... I think he is right.. I am woman too, its great when someone says it honestly, and women understand it.. Women like honesty... but of course some fight for the equality for other reasons.. As in some companies, women work hard and have less money than men, who dont work physically so hard... For example my colleague worked 20 year in company of paper production.. She said they had also nice male collagues, but also not so good ones.. For example the guy got 3 times more money, but he didnt have to work physically so much as the women did... he turned on the machine and whole day was sitting in chair, just sometimes he controlled the machine, while the women were running around the room whole time, he was sitting... So she felt its unfair that he is sitting all the time and has much more money than the ones who are doing the physical work....So maybe if women will fight for equality for physical workers.... maybe even male physical workers may benefit from it... No workers should be abused male or female...Because then the women are exhousted and can not give as much attention to their kids and husbands etc.
"Fine let's equalize choice but we won't get *equal* outcome that way"
My man never yields, he's too spot on
I was searching for this comment 🤣👍🏼
What's sad is we already have equal choices, women just choose fields that are different. Which is fine, but it's the exact reason why we'll never have equality of outcome.
Correct answer: Equality of dignity. Equality doesn't mean things are the same.
@@chrisdeep8417 so what’s equality of dignity then?
even among men at the same position in the same company dont get equal pay
the whole argument is retarded
When she says "I think the difference between me and Jordan is..." that sentence should end with "he looks at actual data and makes rational conclusions where I want to live in a fantasy land"
Jordan is the best psychologist in the world 🌍
“We need people to have a choice”
“We need to push boys towards care”
Great observation, thank you!
Have my upvote
I work in an autism and extreme challenging behaviour unit and I wish more men were in this role instead of little girls because I'm fed up of running around all day and saving them from being mauled. Lool true story, they can't do anything!
@@deansharpe7499
Thank you for your wonderful and compassionate care for these beautiful people. It takes gifted and understanding people are n these fields who will strive to improve the lives of others.
I think if she had chosen the words 'encourage boys towards care' it would be better recieved.
I wish you a wonderful holiday season!
@Hello Bruh You thought 100 pound, 5 foot 2 girls would be good working in an extreme challenging behaviour unit restraining grown men that can flip out at any second that punch, kick, bite and headbutt? They are not their mothers so that "motherhood instinct" doesn't exist in this setting. What does exist in this setting is them shouting and screaming every time for help. Also lets say that you have an extreme service user that can display for 14 hours a day, that is extremely physically strong that requires 3 people to be around him at all times and you are put with two little girls for 14 hour shifts a day. Lets take the other day for example where the girls couldn't hold him down and let go of a restraint 12 times in 5 minutes leading to him sitting up and biting my neck area. Luckily I was wearing a hoodie and he only manged to bite the cloth but that could of been me done for. Something happens like this weekly. I have been threatened with sexual discrimination because I brought this issue up with my manager. What few men work at my job literally just run around all day saving these girls from being fucked up.
He's literally so bored, he's just playing with the pen the whole time
It reminds me of the discussion he had with Helen Lewis where he said that the conversation was boring and predictable because everything she was saying was mouthpiece leftist ideology. As with Lewis, the woman in the video was regurgitating the same feminist doctrine over and over, not even opening her own mind to listening what Peterson was saying.
I don't think that he's bored. I think that is how he processes the information coming in and uses it to keep focused.
@@dragonstuff1983
Agreed, I do the same thing and it drives my wife mad. I, however, am nowhere near as intelligent or eloquent in my speech as he is.
Its cause the pen has a better point the person he's arguing with....
@@crw662 Would call him silver-tongued rather than eloquent.