This is one of those game that you're playing the objective to win (getting almost full map ancient farm, avoid dying, clearing lane for creeps to push passively.), but it isn't exactly the best gaming experience for most teammates, but the end of the day, the data after match says it all. 32:42 kills usually meant possible win for both side, but the net worth from both side was so big all thanks to the carry making the right, reasonable 'bad guy' decision. The tusk just can't get over that, he/she should've known the moment an Ursa player build Battle Fury, they want to farm, not kill.
Its so painful to see teammates complaining when the carry is literally doing their job. Such a hard habit to change (because its an emotional response fueled by lack of game knowledge), that for me, the biggest take away, is making sure I don't make that mistake myself.
You could also see the other team making the same mistake. Whenever Viper left because he had to respond to Grubby, the enemy team would still stick around and fight 4v4 and get destroyed because Viper was by far their strongest hero at that point.
TKilla: complain about Ursa farming all game TKilla: if I was as strong as you I'd fight 1v5 with lifesteal. Me: How are you getting so strong if you're NOT farming that whole time. If you, TKilla, were playing Ursa, you would have been fighting, not farming and not building a massive strength advantage. Some people are so fvcking stupid it's unreal. If I was Grubby I would not have been able to resist the urge to tell him "I'd love to see that" when he said I'd 1v5 them.
There were a few times ursa could fight, coming in last during clashes but only if they checked what skill was used, who is low in health. Another alternative is, the team should learn to get pick off and get out instead of brawl it to death. Winning fights in early to mid game may not mean anything if objectives are not taken.
16:50 It's so wierd that BSJ can't understand what's going on when that its just normal legend sh*t lmao This always happens when their carry lose the lane, they just tp top and fights like that happen.
Kinda odd, in divine to very low immortal we get more mentions of giving carries 'space' but it doesn't always work out. Enemy carry might outfarm ours, our carry might get caught anyways, etc. Honestly I see more carries blaming the rest of the rest as opposed to vice versa. Really weird seeing Tusk and others pressure Grubby to fight
the thing is, in this game sf just hard carried his team, I don't like it when my carry only farms and applies 0 pressure while am fighting 4v5 and still manages to get caught up and die.
Low MMR players view the game as 5v5 constant clusterfuck of forcing fights and coin tossing the game on the result of those fights as soon as laning phase is over. High MMR understands that position 1 is actually an extra objective to be attacked and defended, they don't really become another player on your team until the mid/late game. It's like bitching at Roshan for not fighting with your team. This is also why games that go super long tend to be total coin flips at any MMR because all those little micro decisions around networth gains and losses no longer really matter because everyone is already so farmed and powerful that a 1 item gap is largely meaningless.
@@moebino2685 sf played well but tbf he got a free game since the opponents strongest hero (viper) was busy dealing with grubbys "pressure" by tp'ing to the pushed lane a couple times. That freed sf to be the by far strongest hero in the 4v4 across the map and "hard carry" the game
@@Molehali if you are talking about the two times viper tped bot to answer ursa shoving the lane then no it was not enough to make sf solo carry this game, viper first tp bot was after he died by sf so it wouldn't matter because viper wouldn't be able to join the fight if he didn't go bot anyway, I'm not saying he didn't have to farm in this game but he had to make his presence more known in this game like killing roshan for example which he had lots of opportunities to do so. grubby just had an sf that carried him giving him the space of his life.
@@moebino2685 of course, if you see someone in your team doing well in skirmishes without you, you have free space to heavily out farm the whole enemy team. This decision apply to this game because of sf, but if sf played bad too of course there are going to be different decision to make. Dont be so narrow minded.
damn Grubby twitch chat is full with 1k mmr huh? that call at 28 min was right, it was a bit mecanichal error by grubby, a bit slow to blink, and after used the Q on the W of pitlord, and that's completely ok, what is not ok is chat spamming wrong things not knowing nothing of dota who can't even reach 6k and think they can give advise and backsitting
Feels bad fror the opponents, since basically you´re cheating with second pair of eyes. Great educational content but still feels bad for the oppnonets.
u can feel BSJ's courses coming from his heart , its fascinating to see how much passion he has for the Dota .
You call it passion I call it anger issues.
That was a great coaching session to watch. I hope we see more BSJ coaching Grubby, it's very entertaining and informative.
He was trained by the best dota player the worlds ever fucking seen.
OMG THIS IS LIKE WHEN TONY STARK VISITS PETER PARKER AND GIVES HIM A FULL ARMORED SUIT
Disney fanboys be like..
Who’s tony and Peter in this scenario?
BatChest
Lmao ICANT
HOLY BATCHEST
This is one of those game that you're playing the objective to win (getting almost full map ancient farm, avoid dying, clearing lane for creeps to push passively.), but it isn't exactly the best gaming experience for most teammates, but the end of the day, the data after match says it all.
32:42 kills usually meant possible win for both side, but the net worth from both side was so big all thanks to the carry making the right, reasonable 'bad guy' decision.
The tusk just can't get over that, he/she should've known the moment an Ursa player build Battle Fury, they want to farm, not kill.
Its so painful to see teammates complaining when the carry is literally doing their job. Such a hard habit to change (because its an emotional response fueled by lack of game knowledge), that for me, the biggest take away, is making sure I don't make that mistake myself.
The collab I've been waiting for! I love both these guys.
BSJ is probably the best coach out there. Not necessarily about knowledge, but he has really good didactics
didactic is adj, less noun.
@@Weebei Not a native english speaker here, sorry. Anyway, thanks for your answer.
@@Rorther just trying to be helpful, not trying to score points. I apologize if you take it that way.
26:51 is that a bug? He can see rubick TP on mini map. Happens again at 28:21
Nice coaching. You should do more of this grubby. BSJ was great
I learn so much from these coaching sessions, thank you!
42:38 the thing is that most of the time if the carry backs then everyone else will back too, in this case they stayed because sf is strong.
You could also see the other team making the same mistake. Whenever Viper left because he had to respond to Grubby, the enemy team would still stick around and fight 4v4 and get destroyed because Viper was by far their strongest hero at that point.
That was excellent. BSJ was excellent.
amazing coaching. hilarious how much info he's giving when on grubby's screen he never watches the opponents/team battle to see what's happening
@31:00 must have been the hardest I laughed in a while
TKilla: complain about Ursa farming all game
TKilla: if I was as strong as you I'd fight 1v5 with lifesteal.
Me: How are you getting so strong if you're NOT farming that whole time. If you, TKilla, were playing Ursa, you would have been fighting, not farming and not building a massive strength advantage. Some people are so fvcking stupid it's unreal.
If I was Grubby I would not have been able to resist the urge to tell him "I'd love to see that" when he said I'd 1v5 them.
PogO
He was at the chat st the end lol
There were a few times ursa could fight, coming in last during clashes but only if they checked what skill was used, who is low in health.
Another alternative is, the team should learn to get pick off and get out instead of brawl it to death. Winning fights in early to mid game may not mean anything if objectives are not taken.
Damn BSJ is just a god tier coach
Why can we see Rubick tping in at 26:52?
I wouldn't be surprised if Grubby get another 2k mmr in 1 yr. Road to Divine my boii
At 20:15 how did he convert perseverance to battle fury?
BSJ is an elite coach
What a great coach and a great student. Thanks for this educational video.
Thank you for uploading!
30:56 best part of the whole video yw
so nice to see grubby a bit noober at something
Humble and sweet
As a proud member of Long Qua dynasty i'm offended seeing this character coaching someone.
Nice. Appreciate this upload
dying at rosh even when being told how to survive. classic.
@25:30 why can he see enemy Rubick tp to outpost?
I think grubby edits the map from his replays into his videos cuz he usually use the antistream snipe layout on his map
you can tell its a replay map because dire is red while it was grubby team
CLASSIC BSJ THINGS HAPPENING
Great video of my two favourite streamers on my favourite hero!
16:50 It's so wierd that BSJ can't understand what's going on when that its just normal legend sh*t lmao This always happens when their carry lose the lane, they just tp top and fights like that happen.
BSJ FeelsStrongMan
Kinda odd, in divine to very low immortal we get more mentions of giving carries 'space' but it doesn't always work out. Enemy carry might outfarm ours, our carry might get caught anyways, etc.
Honestly I see more carries blaming the rest of the rest as opposed to vice versa. Really weird seeing Tusk and others pressure Grubby to fight
the thing is, in this game sf just hard carried his team, I don't like it when my carry only farms and applies 0 pressure while am fighting 4v5 and still manages to get caught up and die.
Low MMR players view the game as 5v5 constant clusterfuck of forcing fights and coin tossing the game on the result of those fights as soon as laning phase is over. High MMR understands that position 1 is actually an extra objective to be attacked and defended, they don't really become another player on your team until the mid/late game. It's like bitching at Roshan for not fighting with your team. This is also why games that go super long tend to be total coin flips at any MMR because all those little micro decisions around networth gains and losses no longer really matter because everyone is already so farmed and powerful that a 1 item gap is largely meaningless.
@@moebino2685 sf played well but tbf he got a free game since the opponents strongest hero (viper) was busy dealing with grubbys "pressure" by tp'ing to the pushed lane a couple times. That freed sf to be the by far strongest hero in the 4v4 across the map and "hard carry" the game
@@Molehali if you are talking about the two times viper tped bot to answer ursa shoving the lane then no it was not enough to make sf solo carry this game, viper first tp bot was after he died by sf so it wouldn't matter because viper wouldn't be able to join the fight if he didn't go bot anyway, I'm not saying he didn't have to farm in this game but he had to make his presence more known in this game like killing roshan for example which he had lots of opportunities to do so.
grubby just had an sf that carried him giving him the space of his life.
@@moebino2685 of course, if you see someone in your team doing well in skirmishes without you, you have free space to heavily out farm the whole enemy team. This decision apply to this game because of sf, but if sf played bad too of course there are going to be different decision to make. Dont be so narrow minded.
Now you get coaching from CLQ.
Hello eveyeone Chi Long Qua here
Best dota 2 player the world ever fucking seen
this game is so SHEEIT
Can we get a BSJ SINGSING party? :D???
damn Grubby twitch chat is full with 1k mmr huh? that call at 28 min was right, it was a bit mecanichal error by grubby, a bit slow to blink, and after used the Q on the W of pitlord, and that's completely ok, what is not ok is chat spamming wrong things not knowing nothing of dota who can't even reach 6k and think they can give advise and backsitting
I love ur videos. I have learned a lot. I have a request 4 u, my main hero is Sven so could u play Sven position 3 with pro guide??
this match shows that pro players cant read noobs completly
He did not teach you BSJ TP?
Holy shot
BSJ POG
Lol just follow him Grub 😂
Dog cam big W
Tusk was so annoying
Really good!
U didn't know Ursa's strength.... Hahaha
i'm no BSJ but i don't agree with half things he said. His team almost won the game without him
36:07 :DDDDDDD
BSJ seems like he's been on coke for 12 hours and slowly coming down :D
Why is bsj standing and swaying lol
probably back problems' helps to move around^^
sitting is the new smoking
A lot of streamers now have standing desk mode for their desk. To reduce back problems from sitting too long.
Try standing perfectly still for 5 minutes, it's torture.
Jesus christ the chat is so cringe and has no idea what they're talking about lol
Having ursa or not having ursa, the outcome of this game won't change
exactly, this forced win happening to grubby because he is popular and influential just shows valve's mindset
If it's considered good gameplay for carry to afk farm 30 minutes then I'm glad I stopped playinig dota :D That would infuriate me :D
Feels bad fror the opponents, since basically you´re cheating with second pair of eyes. Great educational content but still feels bad for the oppnonets.
But grubby ist a much better Player aß bsy so why Coaching.
Grubby chat has some of the biggest subhumans in dota community , low ranked and talk too much 😂. Amazing coaching session though