I saw a review on Steam that best described this game. "War Thunder is like an abusive partner. They treat you like shit but you keep coming back thinking they changed."
I prefaced my review of War Thunder with this: TLDR: This game should be called Worse Torture. I highly recommend NOT wasting your time on this ♥♥♥♥. I concluded my War Thunder review with this: I'm a nurse, and I now diagnose myself as mentally ill for playing this ♥♥♥♥. TBH I don't expect them to change though. I'm just a masochist when playing this. lol
Personally, I think the amount of fun people have in this game does depend on skill level too. Someone who is capable of getting tons of kills per match may have more fun than someone who struggles to get a single kill most games.
Not necessarilly. The better you get, the more you expect and the better you need to do to hit that high. I can see it on myself. When playing a bad vehicle in a gamemode I'm not good at, I'll be happy about a single kill, yet when I'm playing a good vehicle in a gamemode I'm extremely capable at, not even an ace will make me feel much. Also, the better you are, the more likely you are to blame the game rather than saying it's your own skill issue.
My friend died a few years ago. The team still exists on Discord but almost no one is on it. I'm still on the team at WT and every now and then I stop by to see his name. I think it's still a way to keep him alive in my memory. You know, sometimes it seems like he's still going to say something stupid or simply give a warning to the community.
My theory about the spike at 80 to 90 is, that at that level players start to unlock their first top tierish vehicles, and are thus confronted with new things to be frustrated about (Cas sniping you from the other side of earth, BMP-2M, etc.), while they already became used to the the "normal" problems they faced at lower tiers
I have just got to 9.0+ and I don't want to play it, 1st death okay whatever, 2nd spawn, leave spawn, heli kills me, leave again cas bombs me. It's just trash gameplay and helps seem to be able to kill from 4km completely immune to most spaa
Grinded the 11.3 Germany squadron vehicle. First matches with stock HEAT-FS was painful but as soon as i unlocked APFDSsdeef i had several 7 kill games with only this tank in my arsenal. So it is fun (lvl 55 btw)
I enjoy top tier the most, you may just like ww2 content the most. I like the modern tech, it's a faster pace and when you learn the flow of the BR you are playing at I find that you can adjust and eventually have fun, but not everyone is the same. Granted I have thousands of hours logged on war thunder.@@RatTacticsOnly
@@mittensthefeared5401 Yeah your right mate, I absolutely love WW2 era and even cold war, I'd say anything past 8.7 just doesnt feel fun and makes me understand why people 1 death leave. Anytime I spawn more then one tank I get CAS or a Heli blow me up, sometimes twice. Only thing ive enjoyed about high tier is using SAM to take out the annoying air aha!
I play France, I've never seen that ever lmao. I'm happy when I get critical damage because that's some nice points when someone else finishes them off
I assume the annoyance spike at 80-90 is because youre around tier 6, 7, or 8 at that level, and so you may be low on silver lions after buying expensive things, having to stock grind, etc. The grind just gets worse as you level/progress in a tree
@@smiley7399 I have always saved up 1 million or more and then saved up the amount for the price to unlock the vehicle and the crew training amount, so that never affected me…
I'm level 100 and have been playing for ages, and honestly the biggest issue with WT is the inconsistency. Last update they broke proxy fuses on some missiles, so now they can phase through enemies, and volumetric in general is horrible to deal with, like when I shoot a Panther in the mantlet with a 90mm shell that should go straight through but it just disappears into the void. If that was fixed the game would be so much more enjoyable
Last update? hah, I've seen sparrows and r27s phase through enemies for months, maybe they broke it even more? I don't know lol. But I 100% agree with you, the inconsistency is what kills it for me. it's like riding a motorbike that constantly breaks down for no reason ruining your fun and ride. If the general mechanics in warthunder; guns, penetration, armor, bombs, repairing, if it all just worked, I'd have a lot more fun then I do with all the issues I experience almost every single match.
That and they don't listen to the main players who play for a living and show where the issues are. Instead they balance via spreadsheet, which does fuck all for individual vehicles.
The way they balance off player statistics has to be the big one for me. We all know most new players pick Germany first so their inexperience leads to them dying more than they get kills. Meaning gaijin looks at the numbers and balances those vehicles around the dismal stats, like they are underperforming for their BR. But it’s really just the players in these tanks
@user-ns4zm8qe9p they should put 10 of the biggest streamers in a room and have them balance it out.. then release the results to the community to approve or disapprove. I bet it will be overwhelmingly approved. They have a legit stake in balance. Gajin doesn't. They want it unbalanced so people buy premiums.
The high annoyance in high levels is probably because they are more likely to play high BRs (grinding for the new stuff) at this level, there is an egregious power creep with new vehicles. If you get up tiered at anything around 8.0 or higher, you are almost guaranteed to lose and die quickly as these BRs are highly saturated by modern vehicles that Gaijin seems to be more focused on
yup, I'm grinding 6.7 U.S and I just see 7.7 up tiers as scout spot farms in the T92 because there's no way in hell my pershing can compete with early cold war soviet heavies, sabot/heat and early ATGMs, hell their armor is mid as far as heavy tanks go at their own BR let alone in an up tier
@@jimbothegymbro7086 I think the US really suffers from that. My mate mains the US and the early cold war / late WW2 US tanks have almost no pen making them useless. I remember grinding the UK a few years back when the Centurion Mk3 and it's derivatives were a 6.7 and I'd absolutely stomp every single game due to the high pen sabot and stabiliser. Only way to be ok in up tiers is to pick tanks based on firepower
Kinda surprised those are the main complaints. There was a whole rebellion against Gaijin because of the Silver Lions and RP gains for every match. It has improved though so i guess that's why but still needs a bit more work imo. They're pretty heavily anti-consumer as well like you said. The BR and overall cheesiness of other players can be frustrating, especially recently. The IS-2 '44 is now 6.7 and it just cant compete it feels like.
i believe "currency grind" was mentioned only about 3-5 times, surprisingly. but yeah i think we saw how especially anti-consumer gaijin is with today's pack sale. all the popular packs were not on sale, but the ones nobody wants were 50% off lol
This is what I perceive as the current life cycle of a new player, and how that explains why the game remains so popular despite being unenjoyable. Attracted by advertisements featuring all sorts of advanced, modern combat vehicles, new players flood in, eager to play them(I will be just like Maverick in the F-14). They then download the game and find themselves faced with an insurmountable, overwhelming wall of vehicles they could not care less about, standing between them and their goal. Still unaware, and running off hype, they get grinding, encouraged to continue by rapid progress at lower tiers, until they hit a certain point where the amount of time they are able to invest results in negligible progress towards their goal. Realizing at this rate it will take many years to get their dream vehicle, I imagine many players get out their wallet and purchase a top tier premium vehicle, hoping to speed up their progress while simultaneously jumping ahead closer to where they actually wanted to play. Maybe they can even buy a top tier premium version of the vehicle they actually wanted, such as the XM-1 if they wanted the Abrams. Once this stage is reached, Gaijin has already won. The player has spent at least the price of a brand new triple AAA game, on a single vehicle in a free to play game. Even if the player quits now Gaijin could mostly care less. However, they won't. They will take out their new top tier premium and got promptly destroyed by experienced players at the higher tier, and, if they are playing ground, a one-death leaver has just been born since they have nothing else to put in their lineup. The player is now trapped by sunk cost due to the significant time and money they have invested, and probably no longer considers quitting to be an option, so they will continue to play and spend even more money trying to reach the vehicle or era that they think will turn everything around for them and finally make the game fun to play. "If I just get the MiG-29 I'll be top fragging every match, I just have to get through this bad part of the game first". (This is the stage of the players who constantly complain about the economy, research costs, the grind, repair costs, etc, their sole interest is accelerating their progress towards some imagined ideal era or vehicle, they are full-time grinders.) They will do this despite the game no longer being enjoyable for them to play. If they do ever end up reaching their end goal, they will probably realize it wasn't worth the hype, and maybe start revisting other parts of the game they overlooked or just grinded through, and since they have played so long by now they will be skilled enough that they start to realize the best part of the game is actually lower tiers, and maybe just maybe they will start to have a little actual fun.
Great insight and I agree. You may also consider the addition of watching certain prominent youtubers that edit HUNDREDS of games down into a 10 minutes series of maybe 4 or 5 clips showing how "fun" the game is.
Personally i love the game because of the immersion, and the real vehicles, i love learning about military vehicles and aircraft and war thunder has very high detail
@@BrenoAgmL It used to be very immersive back in the days. Back then, there was no "Realistic Battles", it was called "Historical Battles". If you played on Battle of Stalingrad, you were either going to be German or Soviet. You were simply unable to play that map if you played British for an example. Back then, I could never tire of the game. The immersion took away focus on the grind, and before you knew it, you had unlocked a new vehicle without even realizing it, because you actually *had fun*.
I actually find 3.0-5.0 quite fun. The caveat is that starting off in those vehicles was a nightmare. Once I got expert in those vehicles and figured out the play style that works for me, it became much more fun. I haven't actually bought anything higher than my Tiger H1 or my M4A2 because those are my favorites
yeah, when beginning 3.0-5.0 is pretty annoying to play as the armor is non existent unless you play Germany, Russia, or America. But once you get to 6.0+ you kinda begin to revert back to 3.0-5.0 because it was a lot easier at that teir. And when you learn how to play at 3.0-5.0 you begin to play better than most.
@@theasiangod5860America? Armor? I mean I guess there’s the Jumbo (which also isn’t as reliable of armor from what I remember after months of not playing) but other than that….
@@sf-1_raptor Jumbo armor is really good. Most tanks which do not hold Heatfs, or apds will not pen. The american T34, T29, T30, T26e5, and t95 will tank just about everything that isn't heatfs or apds
@@theasiangod5860 Really? Cause it always seemed like the lights would struggle some, but it wasn’t like you could do all that much at that br either, especially after Gaijin removed rewards for blocking incoming fire. Plus it at least felt like you’d always run into some tank that could deal with it no problem, either cause the player was a good shot, or cause they had an 88, 120, or similar.
@sf-1_raptor with the jumbo it depends on which jumbo you're using. The 76 is uptiered to high hell so its like you said useless. However, the 75 is very good. It can block and ricochet just about everything thrown at it, even the 88. The only time it will not deflect a german 75, or 88 is when you're literally next to each other. Otherwise from 300 meters and farther you will deflect it all no problem. Aside from the 120mm aphe and 155mm he.
Fascinating, loved the video. Sucks how the vehicle counts, unlocked and spaded, are gone. Also, I think solo players not waiting for your team to also die before starting another game, is a big factor in enjoyment
We don't play it for the fun we play it for the fun "moments" when the other persons time is not fun its only fun when someone else is not having fun can only be both when your meeming around
Yeah that's why I bought the SU-11, cuz sometimes I just want to see the world burn and the screams of Fury and hopelessness I bring to an entire battle rating warms my twisted evil heart.
@dariusbendasiuk5678 bro you have literally the fastest acceleration in The BR before you, your BR and the Next BR, on top of that You are quite agile and one of the fastest jets in those BRs which combined with your ridiculous acceleration means That even if somebody else is faster than you so long as you fly at an angle not only will they never be able to catch up with you they will quickly lose speed and if they are stupid enough to keep chasing you they will become sitting ducks for you too turn on and rip apart. If you even know the very basics of energy fighting you are literally untouchable, You can enter and exit Any dog fight at will with zero repercussions and almost zero chance of losing it unless You tunnel vision and commit to it too hard. Remember that an enemy has to be within 700 meters of you to gun you down, If you start losing the dog fight just pull out and fly away, Even if they are paying close attention to what you were doing You will literally be over a kilometer away from them before they finish their turn to start chasing you, Your acceleration and top speed are simply ridiculous for the BR. Literally the only things that can keep up with you are rocket planes and those are rare and almost never used.
Personally i love the gameplay, it's what brings me back everyday, im a Level 100, 2,100 hrs in game, starting out was hard, learning about all of the tanks, and each weak spot and capabilities was a struggle, add gijjain moments and you get what seems like a hard game. I've played most of my hours by myself, and now that ive reached the top in a few nations, I really find that i need teammates, especially if i want to play say 10.3 or 10.7. I find that i do leagues better then most of my teammates because of premium players, i want to complain (still do once in awhile) but i know that i was once a new player with just the xm-1 and a m4a1 in my lineup.
@@stringzzzzz There are times where I wish there was skill based, especially when I first started. But I have a strong hate for skill based matchmaking in general, it killed call of duty for me, I like to try hard sometimes and other times I like to chill, in warthunder you really need to go at your own pace and that can change day to day, I've noticed that skill based matchmaking tends to force some higher skilled players to purposely lose and "derank" them selfs, ruining the game for both casuals and skilled players. I can definitely see skill based working for lower level or new players with modes for them.
@@ToastRepublic skill based matchmaking doesn't always have to be as strict as it is in cod. Thats also why i said wt is the only game id like it in because i feel that it can be implemented properly. Maybe something as simple as a 4v4 or 8v8 ranked mode or a "loose sbmm" system similar to what destiny 2 got last year. It would at least decrease the amount of noobs on both teams for the better players and just throw the rest of them in the same matchmaking pool every few matches.
@@stringzzzzz I understand that it doesn't have to be cod level, I find that Fortnite's implementation hits a sweet spot with a somewhat loose sbmm, but cod has left me with a hate for sbmm that i really cant explain and i tend to just hate sbmm by default because of it. tbh i've lost enough brain cells grinding this game, that i just cant be bothered to care about the teams anymore, i just let it be, after i started my new job ive been too tired to care, just wanna see tank go boooom.
You’re right, it’s not fun, but seeing those two red words sparks neuron activation. Only problem is that I have to get more and more as time goes on to feed my dopamine resistant brain nowadays.
I really feel like War Thunder is like that one guy that you don't want to invite to a party but as soon you both hangout you two are like a best buddy
I’ve been playing since September 2013 and usually alone. My approach to the game is to have as much fun as possible by not focusing too much on the grind, by just enjoying the matches I have along the ride. If I die or perform poorly I usually try to blame it on myself and ask where I can improvement. The potential of the game, the chance to try out historical vehicles and the fun you can get from having good matches is what kept me going for a decade. Until recently I had all air trees fully researched (air RB player for 95% of my time as a player all these years), top tier tanks for Russia and Germany, and I’m nearing top tier tanks for the Us and UK as well.
I have 1063 hours and last played it on the 11th January 2021. Quittibg this game is honestly one of the best decisions I made ans I regularly preach against this game when someone thinks about starting to play it. The reasons are many but the veterans know them.
Hey, lvl 100 player here. I do play with friends occasionally but I find my performance is vastly better while playing alone as I’ve only just started playing with friends. Playing with other people distracts me and leads to poor performance in the game. It’s hard to have a conversation and concentrate on hitting weak spots/ playing at the same time. We’re not at the Bo time gaming levels of team coordination so we don’t really work as a squad it’s basically a bunch of people in a call but all playing as if we were alone. On top of this if I run out of backups I have to stay in the match while I spectate my friends which depending on how well I did could be over 15 minutes of doing nothing and watching them. Whereas if I was playing alone I could just hop into the next match. Also playing with other people means a compromise on what you want to play. I prefer WW2 vehicles but a lot of the time I need to play higher br’s which I’m not used to/not comfortable with. Because they want to grind higher stuff. For instance I don’t like top tier jet gameplay. (As a ww2 ground rb enjoyer) so when I play that tier with friends I have to use a subsonic A7K event vehicle I got. Which means I can’t keep up with their jets and my game is just bomb in bases and getting the occasional missile or gun kill. Being slow means I’m also usually the last to die because they’re in the fight sooner. So they have to wait for me to die. This is just my take so obviously I don’t represent all of the people who enjoy playing alone over in a team.
As a level 100 with over 3k hours the only thing keep bringing me back is the joy of crushing newbie’s dream especially people who buy top tier premium the rage and fan mail I got is what keep me going
I think part of the reason level 80-90s have such a weird spike in complaints to rating is that they have started to break into top tier vehicles which have some of the most bs and annoying moments to them at times. (I had a game at 11.7 a few days ago where I got slapped by three enemy F-16Cs with paveway bombs at least 4+ times and my entire team got wiped cuz they would just kill anyone who spawned in pretty much instantly. This was in Ground Realistic btw.)
bro hear me out, ground arcade since high tier already has easy spots and point, click shooting but ground arcade has limited air spawns where they're effectively kill streaks, it's just straight up better and you can turn your brain off a little as a bonus
The fact alone players enjoy the game the most makes complete sense, imagine playing with your new friend, he loses all his tanks two minutes into the game, you want to play with him, but your crew will get locked, how can this be enjoyable.
IMO the reason why solo players have more fun than those who play with friends is that WT is SUPPOSED to be a team-based game, but in reality it really isn't and most players care only about themselves: they steal your frags, they stay in their bushes instead of pushing with you because they're too afraid of getting shot, they ignore the role of tanks in general and take all the sniper positions even if they play heavy tanks while you being a TD have to drive into city to be somewhat useful, nobody's gonna tow you behind a corner even if they're right next to you and you've been begging for it for over a minute, etc. So when you play alone, you're kinda expected to count only on yourself and that stuff stops boggling you pretty fast. But when you play in squad, you kinda tune yourself to collective work and, if your friends are good, you do it well, BUT it's only 4 of you and the rest 11 members of your team are still an egoistic uncoordinated mess which creates a strong dissonance in your head and resurrects your frustration about your teammates with a completely new strength, especially when you are losing which makes enemy team look so well organised compared to yours that it starts to feel that either the enemy are somehow playing in squad of 10, or your team was cherry picked and consisted of kids with special needs
Honestly, playing US ground mainly before finally having enough of the game, I feel the not wanting to move at all. Especially when US guns become a bit… unreliable once the Panthers start coming into the mix.
One of the things I have learned in this game is that when I see a Squad, I go where they go. It doesn't take long for me to figure out their strategy so, if it makes sense, I just tag along and try not to steal any of their kills, if I can help it.
I mean, i think people playing in squads ought to just go for enjoying goofy and stuff than trying to play all neatly. That asside, there's something i'd like to pick on. "Roles of tanks" surely you don't mean, rushing all over the map like call of duty kids, pushing third cap, or worse, spawn, when we already have two caps taken and just need to hold these to win, right? Right? Because in the first place the role of a tank is to be accompanied with infantry and recons to avoid getting ambushed, flanked, or trapped. And that's not even talking about war/fighting in general, where the role of a tank is to accomplish the task given to it, and when told to capture and hold strategic position, that doesnt mean to capture and then rush off to your death. That's called beeing overzealous, and can get you courtmartialed. So yeah, war thunser should be team based, and while i wont deny there's a fair lot of long range campers that does jackshit. There's way more pushers that achieve nothing for their bravado even when they are in groups of 5 to 6 likeminded people. Speaking from someone who often hold a single cap all match with up to 10 kills no death by "camping" the cap or area arround it, hiding and ambushing, while my team was too busy pushing spawn and getting ambushed while doing so.
@@thehatred94 of course I'm not talking about pushing everything from the get go, but about distribution of forces at the beginning of the match and advancing positions in case you're losing. In those scenarios it's just common sense: Heavy tanks are meant to be the spearhead because they're slow and not very maneuverable, so there's not much business for them on flanks and it's only natural for them to take the shortest route possible; despite armour not being meta for quite a while already, they still can shrug off SOME hits and take more punishment than others due to sheer size of their crew compartment and the fact that enemy would often need to use APCR or HEAT rounds that create much less fragmentation than APHE; and they generally have guns equal to or bigger than the light and medium tanks, so they can take on most of the enemies they might face there or at least stall them long enough for your teammates to take advantage of that without blowing up yourself Light tanks are fast and maneuverable, but very squishy and tend to have the least powerful guns, so there's no business in head-on combat for them-they excel at creating ambushes, securing the flanks in order to protect your heavy bros' soft sides and expose the enemy ones', scouting enemy positions and hunting down enemy snipers in case your snipers can't deal with them, and they generally can be very opportunistic, but not too aggressive TDs have powerful guns, low profile and sometimes decent front armour, but are BAD at most of other aspects, so no maneuverable combat, no leading anything and no positions where you can be attacked from multiple angles for them. They mostly have two roles: direct support in heavy on heavy/medium on heavy combat or sniping/camping positions on a good distance from the "main event" Medium tanks are, well, medium. They can support the operation of any of the above and even take their place although they would rarely be as proficient as "specialized" tanks at that specific task Of course, even within their classes tanks are pretty diverse, so there are exceptions and tweaks on what I wrote above, but I think you get the general idea. What made me write the "ignoring the tank roles" bit, aside from many other weird situations, was one particular battle: Poland, single cap in the city. Mostly Germany(our team) vs mostly US(enemy). The enemy starts pushing us out and starts trying to take the cap, so I take my last tank remaining, which is the FryingPan IV/70 and go on the hill across the lake where I see a nice camping company of three king tigers, one tiger E and a panther, who is the only one of the bunch to have a kill, and realise why there were so many enemies and so few of us when we got pushed back in the city. So I start fishing with them because there's really not much I cand do else and while fishing I try to convince these sunny children to maybe go help our team, but to no avail. Then our team gets pushed out of the city completely and enemy takes the cap, but there's still some room for comeback. I start begging them to go with me to help the team or at least do something in Russian, English, Spanish AND google-translated German-no reaction. As our team valiantly tries to re-enter the city using light vehicles and gets decimated, I realise that it can't be helped, and go alone all the way to the enemy spawn, enter the city from their side with my tank destroyer with no moving turret that is very needed in such tight conditions, get 6 or 8 kills(don't remember now) and decap the point before the enemy realise that there's a rat behind their lines and hunt me down with nearly all their forces, which would have been the perfect opening for our team if it didn't consist of one PZ.IV, two wirbelwinds AND THOSE FIVE SН*ТНЕАDS THAT COULD BE AN AMAZING FIST FOR THE COUNTEROFFENSIVE, BUT STOOD ON THAT HILL AIMLESSLY WAVING THEIR GUNS FROM THE START OF THE MATCH UNTILL ALL OF OUR POINTS TICKED OUT
Not the greatest game I've played, but it's the best vehicle simulator and I enjoy it. The clear problem with this game is as they call it "the grind" and how long it takes a new player to obtain the modern vehicles they have seen in the War Thunder trailers. They recently lowered the experience and in game currency required to purchase some vehicles to make it easier on new players, but I don't think it makes any significant changes. A player doesn't need but is heavily influenced to get "Premium" time which costs real money but would increase your experience and currency gains. All of these predatory tactics aside, the game is free to play and if you aren't ready to spend a bit of money on the game you probably will not enjoy your time. Be warned.
Before they changed the research and SL I would actually lose SL every game I played at top tier, only profiting in extremely good games and that profit was just eaten on the next game. I had to play low tiers just to be able to afford new vehicles.
For me playing with friends is more frustrating, while it allows for more teamwork and some niffty tactics interacting with them however is also taking away focus from the game. Therefor more deaths occur with less kills.
@@SoloLaVerdad876 having fun with friends is the priority. If the game just get's everyone frustrated and angry there is not much to be gained. Better to play other games with them in such a case.
Haven't thought seriously with a database about this game like this! It was a very informative and great video. I personally feel NOT FUN when I die with "my own dumb skill issue"... which is the opposite of around 4:38 where 100 players feel happy with the gameplay and doing good. I need to practice more.
It makes me happy that Kana-san enjoyed my video :) I agree, this is when I feel it isn't fun. There were 2 or 3 other people, who wrote "my own skill issue" as a reason for not having fun, too lol!
Playing with friends could lead to increased frustration if you die/run out of respawns early and have to sit and wait for one or more of your friends before you can get into the next match. You're also far more likely to face unfavorable BR or nation match-ups if your friends don't have the exact same BR or play the same nation as you. Unfortunately absolutely none of the data in this video was relevant to me as I only really played sim and my frustration with the game is entirely down to Gaijin never actually adding anything interesting or meaningful. They just pump out new vehicles and maps and never touch the same shitty game modes we've been stuck with for a decade.
3:42 I play solo and it could also be that being on a team gives you a greater feeling of control over the outcome of the game and creates a larger emitional connection
I think the playing with friends thing could be survivorship bias. If you play the game alone, you enjoy it enough to choose it over other games. If you play with friends, you might be in a situation where you'd prefer to play another game, but your friend is playing War Thunder so you play it with them
Im level 90 in the game, and although there are moments in the game that are annoying, I really love the game. I think people view the goal as getting to top tier which completly not what you want to do. I just try to have fun and get the fun vehicals which rarely are higher than 8.0..... vehicals like the axm50 surbias, tiger 1e, italian m26, and fv4005 are fun. I feel like the things that make us complain just make us appreciate the game even more when the game goes well which is more often than not.
Playing with friends can be annoying if you are trying to grind... Which for some people is the fun of it. I like the mix of both and feel it makes sense those rate it better
Played the game for 10 years. It is undeniably cool to get to use interesting vehicles that have not seen the light of day in any videogame. There’s major flaws in the map design and they’re not very good at fixing them, and quite honestly it seems like the devs don’t know what makes a game fun with all the questionable changes they make. The grind sucks the soul out of anyone who is interested in many vehicles. A lot of the game revolves around unfair advantages as well. I know lots of people are drawn to the shiny modern stuff but the game sucks after the Cold War stuff. For a f2p game it’s pretty awesome, but overall it misses the marks of a good game.
You say it right about the cold war vehicles. After taking USSR up to 8.0, Sweden to 8.7, Germany to 9.3 And UK to 11.3 I've found the most fun in roughly the 7.3 - 9.3 range. I can get some fun out of top tier with either my challengers or Leopard 2's but it's far less frequent that I get a good game.
Unless it just a vehicle that's absolutely trash or is only in the way of getting better vehicles (eg: the second marder IFV, some of the swedish atgm carriers, some of the casemate 75mm ww2 german TD's)
My biggest ting that gets me annoyed and even angry in matches is teammates, there is Minimal teamwork or communication (even less incentive) resulting in dying faster, getting rushed, loosing matches and feeling isolated. What feels better: Having to singlehandedly deal with 3 enemy fighters above you while your team chases after 1 bomber, or flying in formation and lighting up a enemy fighter who stall climbed after your teammate baiting. This could be assisted with more teamwork rewards, pairing players up into squads (like battlefield), more radio command options, more options to use on the maps (signs, arrows, warning; i.e. tactics), voice chat etc.
excellent video, very fascinating I would say, after a certain skill level it's really just about the mentality you have behind playing the game. What expectations do you have for yourself and are you able to meet them? You can find players with high and low expectations for themselves at every level, but the ones who are level 100 tend to have found their balance, and what works for them I've really been enjoying learning Air RB. I've been a tank player since 2019, and was never very good at aircraft. So going back and spending time playing aircraft feels fun and rewarding, as I'm picking up a new skill. So I suppose I am in that "level 30" region even though I'm much higher level, because I'm effectively restarting the grind. Air RB is very fun to learn if you approach it right with a growth mindset anyhow, would be interested in seeing a video like this with a muuuuch larger sample size
a little late, but the most frustrating thing for me as a ground player is dying to things that I had no realistic way of preventing. things like my shell getting volumetric’d, being harassed and sniped by aircraft that I can’t fight back against or the team collapsing so fast that you can’t possibly squeeze out a win. on the other hand I love getting to drive my favorite vehicles and be rewarded for out-playing the enemy or just barely surviving an intense fight. there’s really nothing else like it and those fun moments keep me coming back. lvl 50 btw
What about profusive spawn killing? Ive joined matches where the team dies and leaves then theres me and a few others trying to get out of spawn at some point where you just get hammered. Map design is a massive factor id say
warthunder is unforgiving especially if you’re new but if you develop skills for the game it’s one of the most rewarding experiences in a game i’ve ever felt. i currently have 3409 hours in warthunder on steam.
3:19 was weirdly relatable, i quit war thunder for half a year at level 90; my longest break yet. still, i came back recently and found it to be much more enjoyable than i had made it out to be a the start of my break
I have witnesses, footage, testimony of friends, etc. and it is criminal how much I get screwed by Gaijin. None of my friends/squad mates get it as bad I do for some reason, so I have to give 110% just to break even sometimes. Itmakes me want to bounce BVVDs head off the pavement ngl, but I still keep coming back for more. WT is the cure for my military autism. No other outlet lets me enjoy my hobby to the max like WT. 8.5/10 game simply because some of the decisions the devs make are really dumb sometimes.
Lvl 100 here, been playing since 2012... As you play with friends you get soooooo many up tiers. You also have the issue of players not showing up at all until they fire and you die, even thought they were 50ft away. You spawn on a plane to bomb someone, but the fighters are 2400ft away which means you die instantly.
Here's your explanation. Modern gamers have developed a culture of complaining, meaning if a game is not quite literally perfect, it's players cannot help but complain. But even with that in mind, naturally what is perceived as perfection by one is not necessarily perfection in the eyes of others, meaning no matter how good a game is, not matter how many fixes are done, there can always be things to nitpick to complain. The problem then with modern gamers is that they have become effectively blind to the 80-90% of the game that is good and enjoyable, subconsciously avoiding to recognize it, like some sort of internalized doomer mindset. With this in context my explanation will make sense. War Thunder is actually a great game which is why millions play the game, but how you can truly tell that it is a great game is by looking at how much complaining there is around the game and how persistent it is. The more people complain, the more passionate they are about the game, they love it but their internalized chronic doomer mindset forces them to complain. The fact that these people have kept playing the game for 10 years while in a perpetual state of complaining about it must mean it's good enough to play for 10 years, and it is. Games in general appearing "bad" is simply an illusion generated by the overrepresentation of loudmouthed chronic complainers that have taken the vocal frontstage of the gaming community. If you ignore the complaints and simply play most games with a fresh outlook, you will soon learn that most games, modern or not, are quite fun. It's only if you play games 24/7 every day of the year for years on end that they become less enjoyable, because too much of anything (as with everything in this world) spoils the fun of it.
I find playing with friends is where I have the most fun in this game. It is not really an echo chamber of frustration. When my friends and I play we normally have moments of calm rational planning followed by insane amounts of panicking. It normally ends in sighs of relief or laughter as one of us is left to fend off a hoard of enemies. Not to mention when you have a hype moment like shooting a plane down with a tank or something of the sort. It is certainly more rewarding to share it immediately with your friends than it is to share later. And if we get absolutely annihilated we do our best to avenge each other, and then go on to the next one. I play Warthunder on my own often, but I can attest that it is significantly more enjoyable with friends.
War Thunder is like life. It promises a lot at first and you will have a blast at the beginning, you love it but soon things get way too fast and complicated, you feel miserable and robbed and not good enough, overwhelmed. You wonder if it's still worth playing it or if you should just delete the account but now you're invested in it and you don't want to get out, you're hating it but you persist thinking about the big prizes at the end, however you don't have the strenght or the ability to get there. So you go back try remembering when you had the strenght and the ability, when you were loving it and you were winning and and then it strikes you, that you were winning ONLY because you were loving it MORE than you were hating it. And that's how you play War Thunder or life; you FIND a way of loving it MORE than you hate it.
Hey wubbs, one thing i could say about your videos, is you speak very quicky and it can be hard to keep up with the information for me, I think most WT players typically like a 15 - 25 minute video, I liked how you present your data, also a would be cool to get more of these kinds of videos
To me, the secret ingredient to have fun in this game is getting hammered first. Or just (as I do now) never have it installed, never really play it anymore, and then notice it on friend's desktop when visiting and have fun taking turns (also being hammered while doing it)
People play the game to grind way too often. They buy high tier premiums and skip the place where they should be learning the basics and wonder why it's so hard and frustrating. They skip so many vehicles that they might enjoy or do well in just because their favorite vehicle from their actual nationality is high tier and that's what's finally going to make the game fun. For me I get bored every now and then after over 3500 hours of actual play time but for a solid year I was addicted to dogfighting people in low tier bombers, so find your thing that's actually fun for you.
"This game has balanced the frustration and fun perfectly so even though you rage, you will still play it" I mainly play alone, generally because if i die and i run out of tanks ill have to wait for my friend, also because i perform better. And i play it because i want the shiny f15 and i want the shiny t80bvm. Im horrible at this game and i search the internet out of frustration quite often. Either that is because of cas spam, outrageous repair costs, the long grind, tiny rewards (only 30k sl and 5k rp for 7kills.
Great Video! I just play and enjoy the Game for the Cinematic Potential it has, DCS is a lot better but also a lot Harder for that regard, I also just enjoy a few Sessions with Friends which are really funny!
Funnily just before you said “echo chamber” which is exactly what I was about to comment and you said it as I was typing it 😂 so I completely agree. The variety in war thunder is great and that’s good, I find a lot of people move too fast up the tiers without understanding the systems or buy a vehicle up the tree expecting a better experience and that’s not the case. I hardly get annoyed at war thunder and generically sit at around brs 3 to 4 although I have much higher.
i think the reason why playing with friends is so much more frustrating is that when you die you cant really just dip and move on to the next match meanwhile in solo the second i die i have already clicked the return to hanger button and can move onto the next match without caring. ive actually gotten so fast at returning to hanger that i consistently return to hanger before CAS can even land there bombs.
I can find 2 different kinds of funs, 1 is pursuing the next vehicle which usually leads to complaints and more frustrating and playing general WW2 vehicles is generally peak performance. I do have a mix between playing with and without friends and always have more fun playing with playing friends.
My two biggest gripes with this game is the super lengthy grind, even with premium account time. And then the issues with balancing of vehicles, which will probably not be able to be gotten rid of without completely changing how vehicles br's are chosen or completely changing the system all together. Granted this second issue isn't too big of an issue personally, it's just my second biggest issue.
been playing the game for 11 years, having unlocked mostly anything, nowadays i just play low to mid tier, armored cars and heavy tanks are such a joy to play, i think if people disconnected more from the grind and just enjoyed the game one match at the time it would be much more pleasant
3:25 because battle pass tasks are nearly impossible to complete.. use 3 rank bomber and get 3 kills without dying.. its only possible in air simulator and yet they excluded air sb from the list.. im 100lvl player
What one would expect is annoyance would distribute more monotonically. Those spikes are simply an effect of a small polling group (100 ppl is a really low number when it comes to research like this)
I've been playing this game from 2018 till now, I started on PS4 which was pure suffering and struggle and even though I continue to play it. Then I moved to laptop and my games started to be more enjoyable (Mouse>>>Joystick) and funnier. I realised that if you are having fun in the game, other people is suffering and vice-versa, thanks to it, I learnt that the key for having fun in this game, is not caring when u die or get gaijined. We always get angry when we get killed or the shot should have destroyed the enemy but did nothing but we never realise that the same thing happens to others when they shoot you. It's not that the game doesn't like you and wanna make u angry, It's just the game not working properly for EVERYONE. Ofc it is annoying and frustrating, but in the end of the day it's just a game, we don't loose anything apart from SL or patience, we should have fun with it. If not, take a break and relax, when we are angry we make dumb decisions and get angrier. This was my humble opinion, thanks for reading
@@paulbobenhausen8031 ofc, i like how this video has opened a discussion on various things. if u wish to make ur voice heard in future videos like this, consider joining our discord: discord.gg/wubb
When you play alone when you have a bad match you're straight into the next. With friends if you have a bad match and you get knocked out sooner than them you're sit there waiting and thinking more about the bad time you just had. Still will never turn down games with the friends regardless
One rare factor with regards to "low competition" - WarThunder has a native Linux client and actually supports it. Most competing games don't support Linux and many treat Windows emulation with Wine as a bannable offence because their Anti-Cheat systems can't tell the difference
Im a Level 82 war thunder player and for me the biggest annoyances i have with the game are insane br adjustments, the insane grind. And most of all the lack of care for community feedback. It feels like gaijin is just making changes for money instead of what its playerbase wants nowadays. Hopefully something will change eventually but i doubt it sadly.
Lvl 80 smth here. To be fair, what you said was very true until recently. But they made a lot of big changes to the way SLs are rewarded and added time-based dynamic vehicle repair costs these past months, and it honestly changes a lot. I play almost exclusively on a tech-tree that used to have tanks that cost upwards of 40k SL to play. Surprise! once my 10 free repair battles expired I never used these vehicles ever again and completely skipped that whole BR range (which also caused the grind to be even longer). In the past I used to cycle through (1.) play high BR to level up my vehicles, (2.) run out of SL, then (3.) go back to 3.7 or smth for a whole evening to grind SL exclusively. And once I've got an SL safety net (4.) go back to high BR for the real grind. I find that I don't need to do that anymore, and I can actually have fun playing high-ish BR vehicle without the constant SL-loss-fright frustation-hammer above my head.
I got my first nuke yesterday and im still riding the high it gave me. I didn't even get to drop the bomb since time ran out during take off. Still i dopamine hit from just doing that good was incredible.
One of the least fun things for me is the grind for SL and RP as even at low tier without premium it takes days to unlock a vehicle not including the SL you need to buy and crew it.
I play this mostly solo. Used to play a lot with a friend, but i enjoy top tier ground rb, and he prefers rank 1 and 2 the most. We are both around level 100, i have 1600hours he has 1800. Playing with him is usually more stressful than solo, since either im out of my comfort zone in br, or he is. I find he gets frustrated easily when playing and tends to complain more, and ill just try to keep the moral up, but honestly its more stress than its worth playing with people who get mad all the time. And to be fair used to get mad at it a lot more before too, but ive learned to roll with the punches a lot better, and have accepted the fact that sometimes you die at no fault of your own, and to just respawn or go to the next game. I would characterize myself as having a high enjoyment (~8) and low frustration (~4)
My solution to have a good time with the game was to just stop grinding and enjoy the game. Use vehicles I like the most, and just skip the frustrating ones etc. Now I play mostly 4.0 - 9.3 max. Also, with all the battle passes, events the game felt like another job to me, I just don't try to do these things anymore and it is such a relief... And rather than buying a month/6 months or year of premium time, try to buy just one day when you feel like you want to play war thunder, tadam - you are free to do something else without feeling bad about "premium running out" and you can still play the game for a few matches from time to time. With the new economy changes, it is much, much easier time for freemium players.
I definitely agree with the lack of competition, even though I play WOT/WOWS more, the games are too different to be considered direct competition with each other
I have been playing the game since closed beta. Not every year and not every month. I have noticed through the years that my war thunder tolerance reaches its limit at about 3 to 5 months. After that i just can't keep up with the grind and I just stop playing for months. Then I see a video or an update that catches my attention and I come back for a few more months. And repeat the cycle. Higher BR is def more frustating than lower BR. Still there is no other game like war thunder. Its beautiful. And some of us have addictions to fulfill. My 2 cents.
For me the Game is pretty perfect. But I also not bother with buying premium vehicles. I just go for a year of premium when the sale drops. That means my grind literally is cut by 50% . And still i think the grind could be less in certain areas (for example heli). Maybe they could introduce a new system that if you start with the game you can choose a nation that will give you a rank 1 premium plane, tank and also a coastal ship and as well a 20% boost on the income with you’re chosen nation for a month or something. That could keep a lot of people just trying out the game engaged with it. Additionally increasing the chances to actually get something out of daily chests etc. Just to make it more friendly to the beginner sort of audience. On the other hand if you reach an end of the line, rank 7/8, or whatever system they decided on you get this earlier mentioned bonus for a new nation that will be activated by a voucher. So veterans have a new motivation to grind a new nation. But all this ends up being only motivation for people to grind more at the end. I want to do more with my vehicles and that’s my type of stand. Not just hoping into another boring tank realistic match to in the end of the day grind again. I want cool events and scenarios on big historical maps depicting a certain battle/war that happened or could have happened. Giving fitting rewards and encourage team play, clan building and all this in an immersive big scale scenario. Much like they tried with world war mode. But it needs to be better implemented. And actually give cool rewards. And they always should be such a game mode in the game with out a pause. They need to learn to recycle some rewards from time to time. And they can pick for such a 2 week event (I think that’s fitting) some rewards or vehicles like ge vehicles fitting to the events theme. The event needs to be something like a simulator battle restricting you to use period accurate vehicles
One of the rare game with realistic damage model and performance that is not a hardsim, that got a playerbase large enought so you dont play with the same 20 people again and again and/or wait 3min for a game. Game wich are quick and intense enought to not get bored nor feel rushed. In short , despite all it s ballancing flaw and gring, it s a combination of realistic yet accesible gamplay with game quick enought that it s not bothersome, not found elswere.
In my eyes, it’s all about perspective. Perspective means everything. I personally find War Thunder fun on some days, not so fun on other days. For example, if I’m going on a great game streak, getting kills and staying alive in my planes, I’m having fun. It’s because I’m doing good in the game and I’m preforming how I want to preform. On days that I’m not having fun, it’s when I’m dying quickly, kill stealing, or people who are just better than me getting the better of me. However, I find the overall excitement of not knowing exactly what to expect every game to be the fun part. You’ll need to slightly tweak your strategies, adapt to new situations, and learn to deal with certain tanks or aircraft accordingly. The fun part is the unpredictable and the gameplay of War Thunder, but many people don’t find this viewpoint as the same. I won’t call it a skill issue(even if it rightly is), but it’s all about perspective. War Thunder can be a pile of shit sometimes, but its *OUR* pile of shit.
Honestly today I returned to this game after deleting it and not playing for a month and a half. I was pretty burnt out and just didn't want to play it because each time I tried to play I would go into a match with a overly pessimistic look at it and that would inevitably make me perform bad. Today I decided to pick it up again and gridn to get the Turan 3. And just that really. I've been enjoying myself though I have my moments of pure anger.
No matter you are skilled you will always get destroyed in wrong location at the wrong moment when you decide to have a quick look to the other direction
Been playing since 2013 and have close to 6k hours in the game. The secret to having fun is to never play above tier 4-5. That's what the game was originally focused on and it's where it is the most fleshed out and realistic. Tiers 2-3 are where the game shines, and where you should be spending most of your playtime. Just ignore all the shiny modern vehicles at higher tiers, the gameplay loop just isn't very good and the grind is horrendous. There are hundreds of vehicles to play under tier 5 so you will never run out of things to do
Tbh I enjoy the game but one of the most annoying things is when I'm short on sl, they should make it easier to come by or make things cheaper to some degree
As one of the players that occupy top positions in a match, I mostly play WT only after sales with premium account and a new vehicle if I like it. Otherwise it is not worth my time to casually grind. I do play few matches daily with my favourite vehicles to not get rusty before the grind.
i can point out another thing about that 50-61 level range complaints, that's the average point where players have grinded through high tier in more than one nation. it's the point where you're finally aware of how much of a slog fest the game is regardless of which nation you choose (which is the opposite of how it were before where you're easily progress through the tech tree in manageable amount of matches), at this point you have two choices which is either to disregard progression and have fun with your favorite vehicle over and over again or grind back another nation so you can re-experience that magical feeling of progressing in the game.
For me personally it's because I get this crave to play the game every week. I have 3 days where I can have screentime, and the rest are school. While in the weekdays, I just wait to play war thunder because the thought of playing it gets me excited. During those 3 days, when I get a couple of very bad, monitor-destroying-inducing matches, I just say no and do something else. In a few hours I want to play it again. Its like my sanity meter is slowly filling up until I want to play the game again. Its weird.
I started playing this game on March, 9th 2013, after seeing an ad for it on FB, I loved the idea of flying classic, old school planes, like the Spitfire, Mustang, Hurricanes and alike, But one thing I started to hate was the constant cheating, kill stealing and team killing, then I moved to tanks and was getting one shot from across the map, constant spawn camping and still miles of cheating. I know they have banned a ton and a half for cheating, I do like playing around 3.7 to 4.0 and then to 6.3. There are still things like spawn camping, But I still love the classic planes and actual WWI vehicles. I am level 100, since there are a ton of Shermans and Leopards now, it would be nice to see some other tanks, even some that saw little action.
Stockholm simulator the game
Stale gamemodes but oo shiny new plane. Has grown adults saying shit like " vark vark vark" 🤡
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Amen brotherther
I saw a review on Steam that best described this game.
"War Thunder is like an abusive partner. They treat you like shit but you keep coming back thinking they changed."
And for me, it goes well for a while when you come back, but then it starts returning back to the old stuff
@@cookiecrumbs2840 truly no finer example of a toxic relationship 🙂
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I prefaced my review of War Thunder with this: TLDR: This game should be called Worse Torture. I highly recommend NOT wasting your time on this ♥♥♥♥.
I concluded my War Thunder review with this: I'm a nurse, and I now diagnose myself as mentally ill for playing this ♥♥♥♥.
TBH I don't expect them to change though. I'm just a masochist when playing this. lol
Personally, I think the amount of fun people have in this game does depend on skill level too. Someone who is capable of getting tons of kills per match may have more fun than someone who struggles to get a single kill most games.
totally true, i guess the 3 main factors are level, skill, and who u play with
War thunder mobile grind torture 😅😅😅
Not necessarilly. The better you get, the more you expect and the better you need to do to hit that high.
I can see it on myself. When playing a bad vehicle in a gamemode I'm not good at, I'll be happy about a single kill, yet when I'm playing a good vehicle in a gamemode I'm extremely capable at, not even an ace will make me feel much.
Also, the better you are, the more likely you are to blame the game rather than saying it's your own skill issue.
Problem is you got a lot of people expecting to play this like a fps and fail
Why it's fun play naval via submarine I had already have type k sub and Kirov
My friend died a few years ago. The team still exists on Discord but almost no one is on it. I'm still on the team at WT and every now and then I stop by to see his name. I think it's still a way to keep him alive in my memory. You know, sometimes it seems like he's still going to say something stupid or simply give a warning to the community.
man …. :(
Rip 😭🙏
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I remenber back when a friend played with me..when he died he would help me with CAS and one day he disconnected and never went back online.
Poor dude. I miss all my buddies who never logged back in.
What’s his name/player tag? I wanna name a tank after him💕
My theory about the spike at 80 to 90 is, that at that level players start to unlock their first top tierish vehicles, and are thus confronted with new things to be frustrated about (Cas sniping you from the other side of earth, BMP-2M, etc.), while they already became used to the the "normal" problems they faced at lower tiers
I have just got to 9.0+ and I don't want to play it, 1st death okay whatever, 2nd spawn, leave spawn, heli kills me, leave again cas bombs me.
It's just trash gameplay and helps seem to be able to kill from 4km completely immune to most spaa
Helis
Grinded the 11.3 Germany squadron vehicle. First matches with stock HEAT-FS was painful but as soon as i unlocked APFDSsdeef i had several 7 kill games with only this tank in my arsenal. So it is fun (lvl 55 btw)
I enjoy top tier the most, you may just like ww2 content the most. I like the modern tech, it's a faster pace and when you learn the flow of the BR you are playing at I find that you can adjust and eventually have fun, but not everyone is the same. Granted I have thousands of hours logged on war thunder.@@RatTacticsOnly
@@mittensthefeared5401 Yeah your right mate, I absolutely love WW2 era and even cold war, I'd say anything past 8.7 just doesnt feel fun and makes me understand why people 1 death leave. Anytime I spawn more then one tank I get CAS or a Heli blow me up, sometimes twice. Only thing ive enjoyed about high tier is using SAM to take out the annoying air aha!
It suffers from "Monkey endorphin activation"...the brain see's "Target Destroyed" and it releases endorphins causing addiction.
Yup
I play France, I've never seen that ever lmao. I'm happy when I get critical damage because that's some nice points when someone else finishes them off
The sound😫
Ding
fuckkkk i love that shit
"Target Destroyed"
yup, thats pretty much it...
neuron activation
"Attack the D point!"
I assume the annoyance spike at 80-90 is because youre around tier 6, 7, or 8 at that level, and so you may be low on silver lions after buying expensive things, having to stock grind, etc. The grind just gets worse as you level/progress in a tree
that makes a lot of sense actually
On 8 May, 2017 I was at level 60 with 4.7 Million Sl.
@@snipes_1138 And then it hits you with 500k SL vehicle cost
@@smiley7399 I have always saved up 1 million or more and then saved up the amount for the price to unlock the vehicle and the crew training amount, so that never affected me…
@@snipes_1138 Getting hit with 100k+ SL when i'm just on br 6.3 really makes me die inside
I'm level 100 and have been playing for ages, and honestly the biggest issue with WT is the inconsistency. Last update they broke proxy fuses on some missiles, so now they can phase through enemies, and volumetric in general is horrible to deal with, like when I shoot a Panther in the mantlet with a 90mm shell that should go straight through but it just disappears into the void. If that was fixed the game would be so much more enjoyable
Last update? hah, I've seen sparrows and r27s phase through enemies for months, maybe they broke it even more? I don't know lol.
But I 100% agree with you, the inconsistency is what kills it for me. it's like riding a motorbike that constantly breaks down for no reason ruining your fun and ride.
If the general mechanics in warthunder; guns, penetration, armor, bombs, repairing, if it all just worked, I'd have a lot more fun then I do with all the issues I experience almost every single match.
they completely messed up my focke wulf line and bf109 line just as I was about to buy a aircraft (bf109 k4) and research a jet aircraft.
That and they don't listen to the main players who play for a living and show where the issues are. Instead they balance via spreadsheet, which does fuck all for individual vehicles.
The way they balance off player statistics has to be the big one for me. We all know most new players pick Germany first so their inexperience leads to them dying more than they get kills. Meaning gaijin looks at the numbers and balances those vehicles around the dismal stats, like they are underperforming for their BR. But it’s really just the players in these tanks
@user-ns4zm8qe9p they should put 10 of the biggest streamers in a room and have them balance it out.. then release the results to the community to approve or disapprove. I bet it will be overwhelmingly approved. They have a legit stake in balance. Gajin doesn't. They want it unbalanced so people buy premiums.
I play war thunder because I enjoy bringing myself great pain.
3500 hrs in
The high annoyance in high levels is probably because they are more likely to play high BRs (grinding for the new stuff) at this level, there is an egregious power creep with new vehicles. If you get up tiered at anything around 8.0 or higher, you are almost guaranteed to lose and die quickly as these BRs are highly saturated by modern vehicles that Gaijin seems to be more focused on
yup, I'm grinding 6.7 U.S and I just see 7.7 up tiers as scout spot farms in the T92 because there's no way in hell my pershing can compete with early cold war soviet heavies, sabot/heat and early ATGMs, hell their armor is mid as far as heavy tanks go at their own BR let alone in an up tier
@@jimbothegymbro7086 I think the US really suffers from that. My mate mains the US and the early cold war / late WW2 US tanks have almost no pen making them useless. I remember grinding the UK a few years back when the Centurion Mk3 and it's derivatives were a 6.7 and I'd absolutely stomp every single game due to the high pen sabot and stabiliser. Only way to be ok in up tiers is to pick tanks based on firepower
Kinda surprised those are the main complaints. There was a whole rebellion against Gaijin because of the Silver Lions and RP gains for every match. It has improved though so i guess that's why but still needs a bit more work imo. They're pretty heavily anti-consumer as well like you said. The BR and overall cheesiness of other players can be frustrating, especially recently. The IS-2 '44 is now 6.7 and it just cant compete it feels like.
i believe "currency grind" was mentioned only about 3-5 times, surprisingly. but yeah i think we saw how especially anti-consumer gaijin is with today's pack sale. all the popular packs were not on sale, but the ones nobody wants were 50% off lol
This is what I perceive as the current life cycle of a new player, and how that explains why the game remains so popular despite being unenjoyable. Attracted by advertisements featuring all sorts of advanced, modern combat vehicles, new players flood in, eager to play them(I will be just like Maverick in the F-14). They then download the game and find themselves faced with an insurmountable, overwhelming wall of vehicles they could not care less about, standing between them and their goal.
Still unaware, and running off hype, they get grinding, encouraged to continue by rapid progress at lower tiers, until they hit a certain point where the amount of time they are able to invest results in negligible progress towards their goal. Realizing at this rate it will take many years to get their dream vehicle, I imagine many players get out their wallet and purchase a top tier premium vehicle, hoping to speed up their progress while simultaneously jumping ahead closer to where they actually wanted to play. Maybe they can even buy a top tier premium version of the vehicle they actually wanted, such as the XM-1 if they wanted the Abrams.
Once this stage is reached, Gaijin has already won. The player has spent at least the price of a brand new triple AAA game, on a single vehicle in a free to play game. Even if the player quits now Gaijin could mostly care less. However, they won't. They will take out their new top tier premium and got promptly destroyed by experienced players at the higher tier, and, if they are playing ground, a one-death leaver has just been born since they have nothing else to put in their lineup. The player is now trapped by sunk cost due to the significant time and money they have invested, and probably no longer considers quitting to be an option, so they will continue to play and spend even more money trying to reach the vehicle or era that they think will turn everything around for them and finally make the game fun to play. "If I just get the MiG-29 I'll be top fragging every match, I just have to get through this bad part of the game first".
(This is the stage of the players who constantly complain about the economy, research costs, the grind, repair costs, etc, their sole interest is accelerating their progress towards some imagined ideal era or vehicle, they are full-time grinders.)
They will do this despite the game no longer being enjoyable for them to play. If they do ever end up reaching their end goal, they will probably realize it wasn't worth the hype, and maybe start revisting other parts of the game they overlooked or just grinded through, and since they have played so long by now they will be skilled enough that they start to realize the best part of the game is actually lower tiers, and maybe just maybe they will start to have a little actual fun.
Great insight and I agree. You may also consider the addition of watching certain prominent youtubers that edit HUNDREDS of games down into a 10 minutes series of maybe 4 or 5 clips showing how "fun" the game is.
It's like scrolling through tiktok, shorts, and any kind of social media apps... not good for you, but its hard to escape it
Personally i love the game because of the immersion, and the real vehicles, i love learning about military vehicles and aircraft and war thunder has very high detail
Is Very imersive playing with a T-54 against a jagdpanther in red desert USA.
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Just remember: Made in Russia
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It used to be very immersive back in the days. Back then, there was no "Realistic Battles", it was called "Historical Battles".
If you played on Battle of Stalingrad, you were either going to be German or Soviet. You were simply unable to play that map if you played British for an example.
Back then, I could never tire of the game. The immersion took away focus on the grind, and before you knew it, you had unlocked a new vehicle without even realizing it, because you actually *had fun*.
@@BrenoAgmLBro litterally recited the wt ad read
I actually find 3.0-5.0 quite fun. The caveat is that starting off in those vehicles was a nightmare. Once I got expert in those vehicles and figured out the play style that works for me, it became much more fun. I haven't actually bought anything higher than my Tiger H1 or my M4A2 because those are my favorites
yeah, when beginning 3.0-5.0 is pretty annoying to play as the armor is non existent unless you play Germany, Russia, or America. But once you get to 6.0+ you kinda begin to revert back to 3.0-5.0 because it was a lot easier at that teir. And when you learn how to play at 3.0-5.0 you begin to play better than most.
@@theasiangod5860America? Armor? I mean I guess there’s the Jumbo (which also isn’t as reliable of armor from what I remember after months of not playing) but other than that….
@@sf-1_raptor Jumbo armor is really good. Most tanks which do not hold Heatfs, or apds will not pen. The american T34, T29, T30, T26e5, and t95 will tank just about everything that isn't heatfs or apds
@@theasiangod5860 Really? Cause it always seemed like the lights would struggle some, but it wasn’t like you could do all that much at that br either, especially after Gaijin removed rewards for blocking incoming fire. Plus it at least felt like you’d always run into some tank that could deal with it no problem, either cause the player was a good shot, or cause they had an 88, 120, or similar.
@sf-1_raptor with the jumbo it depends on which jumbo you're using. The 76 is uptiered to high hell so its like you said useless. However, the 75 is very good. It can block and ricochet just about everything thrown at it, even the 88. The only time it will not deflect a german 75, or 88 is when you're literally next to each other. Otherwise from 300 meters and farther you will deflect it all no problem. Aside from the 120mm aphe and 155mm he.
Remember
You're allowing yourself to have fun when the fun's being taken from others
Fascinating, loved the video. Sucks how the vehicle counts, unlocked and spaded, are gone. Also, I think solo players not waiting for your team to also die before starting another game, is a big factor in enjoyment
We don't play it for the fun we play it for the fun "moments" when the other persons time is not fun its only fun when someone else is not having fun can only be both when your meeming around
Yeah that's why I bought the SU-11, cuz sometimes I just want to see the world burn and the screams of Fury and hopelessness I bring to an entire battle rating warms my twisted evil heart.
@dariusbendasiuk5678 bro you have literally the fastest acceleration in The BR before you, your BR and the Next BR, on top of that You are quite agile and one of the fastest jets in those BRs which combined with your ridiculous acceleration means That even if somebody else is faster than you so long as you fly at an angle not only will they never be able to catch up with you they will quickly lose speed and if they are stupid enough to keep chasing you they will become sitting ducks for you too turn on and rip apart.
If you even know the very basics of energy fighting you are literally untouchable, You can enter and exit Any dog fight at will with zero repercussions and almost zero chance of losing it unless You tunnel vision and commit to it too hard.
Remember that an enemy has to be within 700 meters of you to gun you down, If you start losing the dog fight just pull out and fly away, Even if they are paying close attention to what you were doing You will literally be over a kilometer away from them before they finish their turn to start chasing you, Your acceleration and top speed are simply ridiculous for the BR.
Literally the only things that can keep up with you are rocket planes and those are rare and almost never used.
I’m level 100 and have over 2600 hours in the game, it causes me immense pain but I still love it
Personally i love the gameplay, it's what brings me back everyday, im a Level 100, 2,100 hrs in game, starting out was hard, learning about all of the tanks, and each weak spot and capabilities was a struggle, add gijjain moments and you get what seems like a hard game. I've played most of my hours by myself, and now that ive reached the top in a few nations, I really find that i need teammates, especially if i want to play say 10.3 or 10.7. I find that i do leagues better then most of my teammates because of premium players, i want to complain (still do once in awhile) but i know that i was once a new player with just the xm-1 and a m4a1 in my lineup.
That's the spirit, but yeah 1lifers annoy the shit out me specially when half the team is gone within 3 minutes of the game
For this reason, war thunder is the only game i would like skill based matchmaking to be a feature in.
@@stringzzzzz There are times where I wish there was skill based, especially when I first started. But I have a strong hate for skill based matchmaking in general, it killed call of duty for me, I like to try hard sometimes and other times I like to chill, in warthunder you really need to go at your own pace and that can change day to day, I've noticed that skill based matchmaking tends to force some higher skilled players to purposely lose and "derank" them selfs, ruining the game for both casuals and skilled players. I can definitely see skill based working for lower level or new players with modes for them.
@@ToastRepublic skill based matchmaking doesn't always have to be as strict as it is in cod. Thats also why i said wt is the only game id like it in because i feel that it can be implemented properly. Maybe something as simple as a 4v4 or 8v8 ranked mode or a "loose sbmm" system similar to what destiny 2 got last year. It would at least decrease the amount of noobs on both teams for the better players and just throw the rest of them in the same matchmaking pool every few matches.
@@stringzzzzz I understand that it doesn't have to be cod level, I find that Fortnite's implementation hits a sweet spot with a somewhat loose sbmm, but cod has left me with a hate for sbmm that i really cant explain and i tend to just hate sbmm by default because of it. tbh i've lost enough brain cells grinding this game, that i just cant be bothered to care about the teams anymore, i just let it be, after i started my new job ive been too tired to care, just wanna see tank go boooom.
You’re right, it’s not fun, but seeing those two red words sparks neuron activation. Only problem is that I have to get more and more as time goes on to feed my dopamine resistant brain nowadays.
I really feel like War Thunder is like that one guy that you don't want to invite to a party but as soon you both hangout you two are like a best buddy
More like the best buddy who constantly abuses you.
I’ve been playing since September 2013 and usually alone. My approach to the game is to have as much fun as possible by not focusing too much on the grind, by just enjoying the matches I have along the ride. If I die or perform poorly I usually try to blame it on myself and ask where I can improvement. The potential of the game, the chance to try out historical vehicles and the fun you can get from having good matches is what kept me going for a decade. Until recently I had all air trees fully researched (air RB player for 95% of my time as a player all these years), top tier tanks for Russia and Germany, and I’m nearing top tier tanks for the Us and UK as well.
I have 1063 hours and last played it on the 11th January 2021.
Quittibg this game is honestly one of the best decisions I made ans I regularly preach against this game when someone thinks about starting to play it.
The reasons are many but the veterans know them.
Hey, lvl 100 player here. I do play with friends occasionally but I find my performance is vastly better while playing alone as I’ve only just started playing with friends.
Playing with other people distracts me and leads to poor performance in the game. It’s hard to have a conversation and concentrate on hitting weak spots/ playing at the same time. We’re not at the Bo time gaming levels of team coordination so we don’t really work as a squad it’s basically a bunch of people in a call but all playing as if we were alone.
On top of this if I run out of backups I have to stay in the match while I spectate my friends which depending on how well I did could be over 15 minutes of doing nothing and watching them. Whereas if I was playing alone I could just hop into the next match.
Also playing with other people means a compromise on what you want to play. I prefer WW2 vehicles but a lot of the time I need to play higher br’s which I’m not used to/not comfortable with. Because they want to grind higher stuff.
For instance I don’t like top tier jet gameplay. (As a ww2 ground rb enjoyer) so when I play that tier with friends I have to use a subsonic A7K event vehicle I got. Which means I can’t keep up with their jets and my game is just bomb in bases and getting the occasional missile or gun kill. Being slow means I’m also usually the last to die because they’re in the fight sooner. So they have to wait for me to die.
This is just my take so obviously I don’t represent all of the people who enjoy playing alone over in a team.
this is exactly the player archetype i expect to have the most fun in war thunder
As a level 100 with over 3k hours the only thing keep bringing me back is the joy of crushing newbie’s dream especially people who buy top tier premium the rage and fan mail I got is what keep me going
I think part of the reason level 80-90s have such a weird spike in complaints to rating is that they have started to break into top tier vehicles which have some of the most bs and annoying moments to them at times. (I had a game at 11.7 a few days ago where I got slapped by three enemy F-16Cs with paveway bombs at least 4+ times and my entire team got wiped cuz they would just kill anyone who spawned in pretty much instantly. This was in Ground Realistic btw.)
Spot on, grinding stock high or top tier vehicles is the slowest, and leaves you at an objective disadvantage vs others for a very long time.
bro hear me out, ground arcade since high tier already has easy spots and point, click shooting but ground arcade has limited air spawns where they're effectively kill streaks, it's just straight up better and you can turn your brain off a little as a bonus
The fact alone players enjoy the game the most makes complete sense, imagine playing with your new friend, he loses all his tanks two minutes into the game, you want to play with him, but your crew will get locked, how can this be enjoyable.
IMO the reason why solo players have more fun than those who play with friends is that WT is SUPPOSED to be a team-based game, but in reality it really isn't and most players care only about themselves: they steal your frags, they stay in their bushes instead of pushing with you because they're too afraid of getting shot, they ignore the role of tanks in general and take all the sniper positions even if they play heavy tanks while you being a TD have to drive into city to be somewhat useful, nobody's gonna tow you behind a corner even if they're right next to you and you've been begging for it for over a minute, etc.
So when you play alone, you're kinda expected to count only on yourself and that stuff stops boggling you pretty fast. But when you play in squad, you kinda tune yourself to collective work and, if your friends are good, you do it well, BUT it's only 4 of you and the rest 11 members of your team are still an egoistic uncoordinated mess which creates a strong dissonance in your head and resurrects your frustration about your teammates with a completely new strength, especially when you are losing which makes enemy team look so well organised compared to yours that it starts to feel that either the enemy are somehow playing in squad of 10, or your team was cherry picked and consisted of kids with special needs
Honestly, playing US ground mainly before finally having enough of the game, I feel the not wanting to move at all. Especially when US guns become a bit… unreliable once the Panthers start coming into the mix.
One of the things I have learned in this game is that when I see a Squad, I go where they go. It doesn't take long for me to figure out their strategy so, if it makes sense, I just tag along and try not to steal any of their kills, if I can help it.
I mean, i think people playing in squads ought to just go for enjoying goofy and stuff than trying to play all neatly.
That asside, there's something i'd like to pick on. "Roles of tanks" surely you don't mean, rushing all over the map like call of duty kids, pushing third cap, or worse, spawn, when we already have two caps taken and just need to hold these to win, right? Right?
Because in the first place the role of a tank is to be accompanied with infantry and recons to avoid getting ambushed, flanked, or trapped.
And that's not even talking about war/fighting in general, where the role of a tank is to accomplish the task given to it, and when told to capture and hold strategic position, that doesnt mean to capture and then rush off to your death. That's called beeing overzealous, and can get you courtmartialed.
So yeah, war thunser should be team based, and while i wont deny there's a fair lot of long range campers that does jackshit. There's way more pushers that achieve nothing for their bravado even when they are in groups of 5 to 6 likeminded people.
Speaking from someone who often hold a single cap all match with up to 10 kills no death by "camping" the cap or area arround it, hiding and ambushing, while my team was too busy pushing spawn and getting ambushed while doing so.
@@thehatred94 of course I'm not talking about pushing everything from the get go, but about distribution of forces at the beginning of the match and advancing positions in case you're losing. In those scenarios it's just common sense:
Heavy tanks are meant to be the spearhead because they're slow and not very maneuverable, so there's not much business for them on flanks and it's only natural for them to take the shortest route possible; despite armour not being meta for quite a while already, they still can shrug off SOME hits and take more punishment than others due to sheer size of their crew compartment and the fact that enemy would often need to use APCR or HEAT rounds that create much less fragmentation than APHE; and they generally have guns equal to or bigger than the light and medium tanks, so they can take on most of the enemies they might face there or at least stall them long enough for your teammates to take advantage of that without blowing up yourself
Light tanks are fast and maneuverable, but very squishy and tend to have the least powerful guns, so there's no business in head-on combat for them-they excel at creating ambushes, securing the flanks in order to protect your heavy bros' soft sides and expose the enemy ones', scouting enemy positions and hunting down enemy snipers in case your snipers can't deal with them, and they generally can be very opportunistic, but not too aggressive
TDs have powerful guns, low profile and sometimes decent front armour, but are BAD at most of other aspects, so no maneuverable combat, no leading anything and no positions where you can be attacked from multiple angles for them. They mostly have two roles: direct support in heavy on heavy/medium on heavy combat or sniping/camping positions on a good distance from the "main event"
Medium tanks are, well, medium. They can support the operation of any of the above and even take their place although they would rarely be as proficient as "specialized" tanks at that specific task
Of course, even within their classes tanks are pretty diverse, so there are exceptions and tweaks on what I wrote above, but I think you get the general idea. What made me write the "ignoring the tank roles" bit, aside from many other weird situations, was one particular battle: Poland, single cap in the city. Mostly Germany(our team) vs mostly US(enemy). The enemy starts pushing us out and starts trying to take the cap, so I take my last tank remaining, which is the FryingPan IV/70 and go on the hill across the lake where I see a nice camping company of three king tigers, one tiger E and a panther, who is the only one of the bunch to have a kill, and realise why there were so many enemies and so few of us when we got pushed back in the city. So I start fishing with them because there's really not much I cand do else and while fishing I try to convince these sunny children to maybe go help our team, but to no avail. Then our team gets pushed out of the city completely and enemy takes the cap, but there's still some room for comeback. I start begging them to go with me to help the team or at least do something in Russian, English, Spanish AND google-translated German-no reaction. As our team valiantly tries to re-enter the city using light vehicles and gets decimated, I realise that it can't be helped, and go alone all the way to the enemy spawn, enter the city from their side with my tank destroyer with no moving turret that is very needed in such tight conditions, get 6 or 8 kills(don't remember now) and decap the point before the enemy realise that there's a rat behind their lines and hunt me down with nearly all their forces, which would have been the perfect opening for our team if it didn't consist of one PZ.IV, two wirbelwinds AND THOSE FIVE SН*ТНЕАDS THAT COULD BE AN AMAZING FIST FOR THE COUNTEROFFENSIVE, BUT STOOD ON THAT HILL AIMLESSLY WAVING THEIR GUNS FROM THE START OF THE MATCH UNTILL ALL OF OUR POINTS TICKED OUT
Not the greatest game I've played, but it's the best vehicle simulator and I enjoy it. The clear problem with this game is as they call it "the grind" and how long it takes a new player to obtain the modern vehicles they have seen in the War Thunder trailers. They recently lowered the experience and in game currency required to purchase some vehicles to make it easier on new players, but I don't think it makes any significant changes. A player doesn't need but is heavily influenced to get "Premium" time which costs real money but would increase your experience and currency gains. All of these predatory tactics aside, the game is free to play and if you aren't ready to spend a bit of money on the game you probably will not enjoy your time. Be warned.
If you play certain countries, it will be easier though cuz I'm a f2p and currently 1 tier away from top tier...................... after a few months
I just don't grind. I always have fun.
Before they changed the research and SL I would actually lose SL every game I played at top tier, only profiting in extremely good games and that profit was just eaten on the next game. I had to play low tiers just to be able to afford new vehicles.
"Even prison can have fun moments, that doesn't mean its 'FUN' "- One dude
For me playing with friends is more frustrating, while it allows for more teamwork and some niffty tactics interacting with them however is also taking away focus from the game. Therefor more deaths occur with less kills.
I think the friends should be the priority
@@SoloLaVerdad876 having fun with friends is the priority. If the game just get's everyone frustrated and angry there is not much to be gained. Better to play other games with them in such a case.
@@dotMSOffice Absolutely
Haven't thought seriously with a database about this game like this! It was a very informative and great video.
I personally feel NOT FUN when I die with "my own dumb skill issue"... which is the opposite of around 4:38 where 100 players feel happy with the gameplay and doing good. I need to practice more.
It makes me happy that Kana-san enjoyed my video :)
I agree, this is when I feel it isn't fun. There were 2 or 3 other people, who wrote "my own skill issue" as a reason for not having fun, too lol!
Playing with friends could lead to increased frustration if you die/run out of respawns early and have to sit and wait for one or more of your friends before you can get into the next match. You're also far more likely to face unfavorable BR or nation match-ups if your friends don't have the exact same BR or play the same nation as you.
Unfortunately absolutely none of the data in this video was relevant to me as I only really played sim and my frustration with the game is entirely down to Gaijin never actually adding anything interesting or meaningful. They just pump out new vehicles and maps and never touch the same shitty game modes we've been stuck with for a decade.
The things that make this game aggravate me is the never ending CAS in ground rb and getting a whole rank up tiered
3:42 I play solo and it could also be that being on a team gives you a greater feeling of control over the outcome of the game and creates a larger emitional connection
I think the playing with friends thing could be survivorship bias. If you play the game alone, you enjoy it enough to choose it over other games. If you play with friends, you might be in a situation where you'd prefer to play another game, but your friend is playing War Thunder so you play it with them
Im level 90 in the game, and although there are moments in the game that are annoying, I really love the game. I think people view the goal as getting to top tier which completly not what you want to do. I just try to have fun and get the fun vehicals which rarely are higher than 8.0..... vehicals like the axm50 surbias, tiger 1e, italian m26, and fv4005 are fun. I feel like the things that make us complain just make us appreciate the game even more when the game goes well which is more often than not.
around the 3k hour mark you achieve a sort of nirvana and realize it’s not that deep and enjoy it for what it is
Playing with friends can be annoying if you are trying to grind... Which for some people is the fun of it. I like the mix of both and feel it makes sense those rate it better
Played the game for 10 years. It is undeniably cool to get to use interesting vehicles that have not seen the light of day in any videogame. There’s major flaws in the map design and they’re not very good at fixing them, and quite honestly it seems like the devs don’t know what makes a game fun with all the questionable changes they make. The grind sucks the soul out of anyone who is interested in many vehicles. A lot of the game revolves around unfair advantages as well. I know lots of people are drawn to the shiny modern stuff but the game sucks after the Cold War stuff. For a f2p game it’s pretty awesome, but overall it misses the marks of a good game.
You say it right about the cold war vehicles. After taking USSR up to 8.0, Sweden to 8.7, Germany to 9.3 And UK to 11.3 I've found the most fun in roughly the 7.3 - 9.3 range. I can get some fun out of top tier with either my challengers or Leopard 2's but it's far less frequent that I get a good game.
To me I like the feeling of accomplishment and whenever I unlock a new tank or plane I get that neuron activation
Until you realise you're going to need to stock grind it 😂
@@bliboblob620 bro don’t remind me 💀⚰️
Unless it just a vehicle that's absolutely trash or is only in the way of getting better vehicles (eg: the second marder IFV, some of the swedish atgm carriers, some of the casemate 75mm ww2 german TD's)
My biggest ting that gets me annoyed and even angry in matches is teammates, there is Minimal teamwork or communication (even less incentive) resulting in dying faster, getting rushed, loosing matches and feeling isolated. What feels better: Having to singlehandedly deal with 3 enemy fighters above you while your team chases after 1 bomber, or flying in formation and lighting up a enemy fighter who stall climbed after your teammate baiting.
This could be assisted with more teamwork rewards, pairing players up into squads (like battlefield), more radio command options, more options to use on the maps (signs, arrows, warning; i.e. tactics), voice chat etc.
excellent video, very fascinating
I would say, after a certain skill level it's really just about the mentality you have behind playing the game. What expectations do you have for yourself and are you able to meet them? You can find players with high and low expectations for themselves at every level, but the ones who are level 100 tend to have found their balance, and what works for them
I've really been enjoying learning Air RB. I've been a tank player since 2019, and was never very good at aircraft. So going back and spending time playing aircraft feels fun and rewarding, as I'm picking up a new skill. So I suppose I am in that "level 30" region even though I'm much higher level, because I'm effectively restarting the grind. Air RB is very fun to learn if you approach it right with a growth mindset
anyhow, would be interested in seeing a video like this with a muuuuch larger sample size
hoping to get more people in the discord so the sample sizes can be bigger in the future :3
( discord.gg/wubb )
a little late, but the most frustrating thing for me as a ground player is dying to things that I had no realistic way of preventing. things like my shell getting volumetric’d, being harassed and sniped by aircraft that I can’t fight back against or the team collapsing so fast that you can’t possibly squeeze out a win.
on the other hand I love getting to drive my favorite vehicles and be rewarded for out-playing the enemy or just barely surviving an intense fight. there’s really nothing else like it and those fun moments keep me coming back.
lvl 50 btw
What about profusive spawn killing? Ive joined matches where the team dies and leaves then theres me and a few others trying to get out of spawn at some point where you just get hammered. Map design is a massive factor id say
ironically, ive been planning on a "most hated map" video
for soviet players with poor gun depression, the maps are full of cover made useless by the sloping terrain.
Monkey sees “target destroyed”
Neurone activation
monke sees “death”
monke hates game
and so on
warthunder is unforgiving especially if you’re new but if you develop skills for the game it’s one of the most rewarding experiences in a game i’ve ever felt. i currently have 3409 hours in warthunder on steam.
no
It's fun when you have a level 100 ace crew and you play against level 30 basic enemies...
3:19 was weirdly relatable, i quit war thunder for half a year at level 90; my longest break yet. still, i came back recently and found it to be much more enjoyable than i had made it out to be a the start of my break
I have witnesses, footage, testimony of friends, etc. and it is criminal how much I get screwed by Gaijin. None of my friends/squad mates get it as bad I do for some reason, so I have to give 110% just to break even sometimes. Itmakes me want to bounce BVVDs head off the pavement ngl, but I still keep coming back for more. WT is the cure for my military autism. No other outlet lets me enjoy my hobby to the max like WT. 8.5/10 game simply because some of the decisions the devs make are really dumb sometimes.
Lvl 100 here, been playing since 2012... As you play with friends you get soooooo many up tiers. You also have the issue of players not showing up at all until they fire and you die, even thought they were 50ft away. You spawn on a plane to bomb someone, but the fighters are 2400ft away which means you die instantly.
Here's your explanation.
Modern gamers have developed a culture of complaining, meaning if a game is not quite literally perfect, it's players cannot help but complain.
But even with that in mind, naturally what is perceived as perfection by one is not necessarily perfection in the eyes of others, meaning no matter how good a game is, not matter how many fixes are done, there can always be things to nitpick to complain.
The problem then with modern gamers is that they have become effectively blind to the 80-90% of the game that is good and enjoyable, subconsciously avoiding to recognize it, like some sort of internalized doomer mindset.
With this in context my explanation will make sense.
War Thunder is actually a great game which is why millions play the game, but how you can truly tell that it is a great game is by looking at how much complaining there is around the game and how persistent it is.
The more people complain, the more passionate they are about the game, they love it but their internalized chronic doomer mindset forces them to complain.
The fact that these people have kept playing the game for 10 years while in a perpetual state of complaining about it must mean it's good enough to play for 10 years, and it is.
Games in general appearing "bad" is simply an illusion generated by the overrepresentation of loudmouthed chronic complainers that have taken the vocal frontstage of the gaming community.
If you ignore the complaints and simply play most games with a fresh outlook, you will soon learn that most games, modern or not, are quite fun.
It's only if you play games 24/7 every day of the year for years on end that they become less enjoyable, because too much of anything (as with everything in this world) spoils the fun of it.
I find playing with friends is where I have the most fun in this game. It is not really an echo chamber of frustration. When my friends and I play we normally have moments of calm rational planning followed by insane amounts of panicking. It normally ends in sighs of relief or laughter as one of us is left to fend off a hoard of enemies. Not to mention when you have a hype moment like shooting a plane down with a tank or something of the sort. It is certainly more rewarding to share it immediately with your friends than it is to share later. And if we get absolutely annihilated we do our best to avenge each other, and then go on to the next one. I play Warthunder on my own often, but I can attest that it is significantly more enjoyable with friends.
War Thunder is like life. It promises a lot at first and you will have a blast at the beginning, you love it but soon things get way too fast and complicated, you feel miserable and robbed and not good enough, overwhelmed. You wonder if it's still worth playing it or if you should just delete the account but now you're invested in it and you don't want to get out, you're hating it but you persist thinking about the big prizes at the end, however you don't have the strenght or the ability to get there. So you go back try remembering when you had the strenght and the ability, when you were loving it and you were winning and and then it strikes you, that you were winning ONLY because you were loving it MORE than you were hating it. And that's how you play War Thunder or life; you FIND a way of loving it MORE than you hate it.
Hey wubbs, one thing i could say about your videos, is you speak very quicky and it can be hard to keep up with the information for me, I think most WT players typically like a 15 - 25 minute video, I liked how you present your data, also a would be cool to get more of these kinds of videos
ill keep that in mind :)
To me, the secret ingredient to have fun in this game is getting hammered first.
Or just (as I do now) never have it installed, never really play it anymore, and then notice it on friend's desktop when visiting and have fun taking turns (also being hammered while doing it)
People play the game to grind way too often. They buy high tier premiums and skip the place where they should be learning the basics and wonder why it's so hard and frustrating. They skip so many vehicles that they might enjoy or do well in just because their favorite vehicle from their actual nationality is high tier and that's what's finally going to make the game fun. For me I get bored every now and then after over 3500 hours of actual play time but for a solid year I was addicted to dogfighting people in low tier bombers, so find your thing that's actually fun for you.
"This game has balanced the frustration and fun perfectly so even though you rage, you will still play it"
I mainly play alone, generally because if i die and i run out of tanks ill have to wait for my friend, also because i perform better.
And i play it because i want the shiny f15 and i want the shiny t80bvm.
Im horrible at this game and i search the internet out of frustration quite often.
Either that is because of cas spam, outrageous repair costs, the long grind, tiny rewards (only 30k sl and 5k rp for 7kills.
11 Years into playing WT, still having fun.
As a ksp player, I love the not fun. It is incredible! You get frustrated but try again over and over.
Is spreadsheet is oddly accurate, good job Wubb!
Nice Video dear Wubb. from being a crate addict (hope another vid is coming out ;)) to making nice analytics. thanks and bye!
Great Video!
I just play and enjoy the Game for the Cinematic Potential it has, DCS is a lot better but also a lot Harder for that regard, I also just enjoy a few Sessions with Friends which are really funny!
It's that god damn red text. It's like a drug.
Funnily just before you said “echo chamber” which is exactly what I was about to comment and you said it as I was typing it 😂 so I completely agree. The variety in war thunder is great and that’s good, I find a lot of people move too fast up the tiers without understanding the systems or buy a vehicle up the tree expecting a better experience and that’s not the case. I hardly get annoyed at war thunder and generically sit at around brs 3 to 4 although I have much higher.
i think the reason why playing with friends is so much more frustrating is that when you die you cant really just dip and move on to the next match meanwhile in solo the second i die i have already clicked the return to hanger button and can move onto the next match without caring. ive actually gotten so fast at returning to hanger that i consistently return to hanger before CAS can even land there bombs.
I find playing solo actually has me face similarly skilled opponents, whereas when I play with my brother I end up against uber sweats.
I can find 2 different kinds of funs, 1 is pursuing the next vehicle which usually leads to complaints and more frustrating and playing general WW2 vehicles is generally peak performance. I do have a mix between playing with and without friends and always have more fun playing with playing friends.
My two biggest gripes with this game is the super lengthy grind, even with premium account time. And then the issues with balancing of vehicles, which will probably not be able to be gotten rid of without completely changing how vehicles br's are chosen or completely changing the system all together. Granted this second issue isn't too big of an issue personally, it's just my second biggest issue.
I love how i got a wt ad before this
been playing the game for 11 years, having unlocked mostly anything, nowadays i just play low to mid tier, armored cars and heavy tanks are such a joy to play, i think if people disconnected more from the grind and just enjoyed the game one match at the time it would be much more pleasant
3:25 because battle pass tasks are nearly impossible to complete.. use 3 rank bomber and get 3 kills without dying.. its only possible in air simulator and yet they excluded air sb from the list.. im 100lvl player
What one would expect is annoyance would distribute more monotonically. Those spikes are simply an effect of a small polling group (100 ppl is a really low number when it comes to research like this)
I've been playing this game from 2018 till now, I started on PS4 which was pure suffering and struggle and even though I continue to play it.
Then I moved to laptop and my games started to be more enjoyable (Mouse>>>Joystick) and funnier.
I realised that if you are having fun in the game, other people is suffering and vice-versa, thanks to it, I learnt that the key for having fun in this game, is not caring when u die or get gaijined.
We always get angry when we get killed or the shot should have destroyed the enemy but did nothing but we never realise that the same thing happens to others when they shoot you.
It's not that the game doesn't like you and wanna make u angry, It's just the game not working properly for EVERYONE.
Ofc it is annoying and frustrating, but in the end of the day it's just a game, we don't loose anything apart from SL or patience, we should have fun with it.
If not, take a break and relax, when we are angry we make dumb decisions and get angrier.
This was my humble opinion, thanks for reading
Part of the game's design is literally to piss you off so you pay up.
Where is CAS? I'm level 51, and quite like Warthunder, my main annoyance is just dying to a P47 every other match
CAS was mentioned a couple times, but not enough to be in the top 5 complaints
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For me, the painful and endless grind is the worst part of war thunder
When you play alone when you have a bad match you're straight into the next. With friends if you have a bad match and you get knocked out sooner than them you're sit there waiting and thinking more about the bad time you just had. Still will never turn down games with the friends regardless
One rare factor with regards to "low competition" - WarThunder has a native Linux client and actually supports it. Most competing games don't support Linux and many treat Windows emulation with Wine as a bannable offence because their Anti-Cheat systems can't tell the difference
huh, i didnt know this
thanks for the info :)
Im a Level 82 war thunder player and for me the biggest annoyances i have with the game are insane br adjustments, the insane grind. And most of all the lack of care for community feedback. It feels like gaijin is just making changes for money instead of what its playerbase wants nowadays. Hopefully something will change eventually but i doubt it sadly.
unfortunately, they rarely even listen to our feedback in the partners discord server
Lvl 80 smth here.
To be fair, what you said was very true until recently.
But they made a lot of big changes to the way SLs are rewarded and added time-based dynamic vehicle repair costs these past months, and it honestly changes a lot.
I play almost exclusively on a tech-tree that used to have tanks that cost upwards of 40k SL to play. Surprise! once my 10 free repair battles expired I never used these vehicles ever again and completely skipped that whole BR range (which also caused the grind to be even longer).
In the past I used to cycle through (1.) play high BR to level up my vehicles, (2.) run out of SL, then (3.) go back to 3.7 or smth for a whole evening to grind SL exclusively. And once I've got an SL safety net (4.) go back to high BR for the real grind. I find that I don't need to do that anymore, and I can actually have fun playing high-ish BR vehicle without the constant SL-loss-fright frustation-hammer above my head.
As a level 50 war thunder player, i can basicly agree with all what he said he had it correct to the point
I got my first nuke yesterday and im still riding the high it gave me. I didn't even get to drop the bomb since time ran out during take off. Still i dopamine hit from just doing that good was incredible.
One of the least fun things for me is the grind for SL and RP as even at low tier without premium it takes days to unlock a vehicle not including the SL you need to buy and crew it.
I play this mostly solo. Used to play a lot with a friend, but i enjoy top tier ground rb, and he prefers rank 1 and 2 the most. We are both around level 100, i have 1600hours he has 1800. Playing with him is usually more stressful than solo, since either im out of my comfort zone in br, or he is. I find he gets frustrated easily when playing and tends to complain more, and ill just try to keep the moral up, but honestly its more stress than its worth playing with people who get mad all the time. And to be fair used to get mad at it a lot more before too, but ive learned to roll with the punches a lot better, and have accepted the fact that sometimes you die at no fault of your own, and to just respawn or go to the next game. I would characterize myself as having a high enjoyment (~8) and low frustration (~4)
My solution to have a good time with the game was to just stop grinding and enjoy the game. Use vehicles I like the most, and just skip the frustrating ones etc. Now I play mostly 4.0 - 9.3 max.
Also, with all the battle passes, events the game felt like another job to me, I just don't try to do these things anymore and it is such a relief...
And rather than buying a month/6 months or year of premium time, try to buy just one day when you feel like you want to play war thunder, tadam - you are free to do something else without feeling bad about "premium running out" and you can still play the game for a few matches from time to time.
With the new economy changes, it is much, much easier time for freemium players.
I definitely agree with the lack of competition, even though I play WOT/WOWS more, the games are too different to be considered direct competition with each other
I have been playing the game since closed beta. Not every year and not every month. I have noticed through the years that my war thunder tolerance reaches its limit at about 3 to 5 months. After that i just can't keep up with the grind and I just stop playing for months. Then I see a video or an update that catches my attention and I come back for a few more months. And repeat the cycle. Higher BR is def more frustating than lower BR. Still there is no other game like war thunder. Its beautiful. And some of us have addictions to fulfill. My 2 cents.
I’m a casual gamer (2-5 hours a week) and honestly, war thunder isn’t a casual friendly game.
For me the Game is pretty perfect.
But I also not bother with buying premium vehicles. I just go for a year of premium when the sale drops. That means my grind literally is cut by 50% . And still i think the grind could be less in certain areas (for example heli).
Maybe they could introduce a new system that if you start with the game you can choose a nation that will give you a rank 1 premium plane, tank and also a coastal ship and as well a 20% boost on the income with you’re chosen nation for a month or something. That could keep a lot of people just trying out the game engaged with it. Additionally increasing the chances to actually get something out of daily chests etc.
Just to make it more friendly to the beginner sort of audience.
On the other hand if you reach an end of the line, rank 7/8, or whatever system they decided on you get this earlier mentioned bonus for a new nation that will be activated by a voucher. So veterans have a new motivation to grind a new nation.
But all this ends up being only motivation for people to grind more at the end.
I want to do more with my vehicles and that’s my type of stand.
Not just hoping into another boring tank realistic match to in the end of the day grind again.
I want cool events and scenarios on big historical maps depicting a certain battle/war that happened or could have happened. Giving fitting rewards and encourage team play, clan building and all this in an immersive big scale scenario. Much like they tried with world war mode. But it needs to be better implemented. And actually give cool rewards. And they always should be such a game mode in the game with out a pause.
They need to learn to recycle some rewards from time to time. And they can pick for such a 2 week event (I think that’s fitting) some rewards or vehicles like ge vehicles fitting to the events theme.
The event needs to be something like a simulator battle restricting you to use period accurate vehicles
One of the rare game with realistic damage model and performance that is not a hardsim, that got a playerbase large enought so you dont play with the same 20 people again and again and/or wait 3min for a game. Game wich are quick and intense enought to not get bored nor feel rushed.
In short , despite all it s ballancing flaw and gring, it s a combination of realistic yet accesible gamplay with game quick enought that it s not bothersome, not found elswere.
In my eyes, it’s all about perspective. Perspective means everything. I personally find War Thunder fun on some days, not so fun on other days. For example, if I’m going on a great game streak, getting kills and staying alive in my planes, I’m having fun. It’s because I’m doing good in the game and I’m preforming how I want to preform. On days that I’m not having fun, it’s when I’m dying quickly, kill stealing, or people who are just better than me getting the better of me. However, I find the overall excitement of not knowing exactly what to expect every game to be the fun part. You’ll need to slightly tweak your strategies, adapt to new situations, and learn to deal with certain tanks or aircraft accordingly.
The fun part is the unpredictable and the gameplay of War Thunder, but many people don’t find this viewpoint as the same. I won’t call it a skill issue(even if it rightly is), but it’s all about perspective. War Thunder can be a pile of shit sometimes, but its *OUR* pile of shit.
I had a battle the other day where I went too fast, hit a wall and flipped over.
Thankfully my team mate rammed me back over
Honestly today I returned to this game after deleting it and not playing for a month and a half. I was pretty burnt out and just didn't want to play it because each time I tried to play I would go into a match with a overly pessimistic look at it and that would inevitably make me perform bad. Today I decided to pick it up again and gridn to get the Turan 3. And just that really. I've been enjoying myself though I have my moments of pure anger.
No matter you are skilled you will always get destroyed in wrong location at the wrong moment when you decide to have a quick look to the other direction
Been playing since 2013 and have close to 6k hours in the game. The secret to having fun is to never play above tier 4-5. That's what the game was originally focused on and it's where it is the most fleshed out and realistic.
Tiers 2-3 are where the game shines, and where you should be spending most of your playtime. Just ignore all the shiny modern vehicles at higher tiers, the gameplay loop just isn't very good and the grind is horrendous. There are hundreds of vehicles to play under tier 5 so you will never run out of things to do
The game ends at BR 4.0 for me. I have unlocked and spaded most air/ground vehicles under that for all countries and I just play there.
Tbh I enjoy the game but one of the most annoying things is when I'm short on sl, they should make it easier to come by or make things cheaper to some degree
As one of the players that occupy top positions in a match, I mostly play WT only after sales with premium account and a new vehicle if I like it. Otherwise it is not worth my time to casually grind. I do play few matches daily with my favourite vehicles to not get rusty before the grind.
whenever i play, its only my favorite BR and gamemode
@@Wubb333 Well, your favourite vehicles might not be the most effective
true, but finding the fun in war thunder is the only thing that motivates me to play it lol
i can point out another thing about that 50-61 level range complaints, that's the average point where players have grinded through high tier in more than one nation. it's the point where you're finally aware of how much of a slog fest the game is regardless of which nation you choose (which is the opposite of how it were before where you're easily progress through the tech tree in manageable amount of matches), at this point you have two choices which is either to disregard progression and have fun with your favorite vehicle over and over again or grind back another nation so you can re-experience that magical feeling of progressing in the game.
For me personally it's because I get this crave to play the game every week. I have 3 days where I can have screentime, and the rest are school. While in the weekdays, I just wait to play war thunder because the thought of playing it gets me excited. During those 3 days, when I get a couple of very bad, monitor-destroying-inducing matches, I just say no and do something else. In a few hours I want to play it again. Its like my sanity meter is slowly filling up until I want to play the game again. Its weird.
I started playing this game on March, 9th 2013, after seeing an ad for it on FB, I loved the idea of flying classic, old school planes, like the Spitfire, Mustang, Hurricanes and alike, But one thing I started to hate was the constant cheating, kill stealing and team killing, then I moved to tanks and was getting one shot from across the map, constant spawn camping and still miles of cheating. I know they have banned a ton and a half for cheating, I do like playing around 3.7 to 4.0 and then to 6.3. There are still things like spawn camping, But I still love the classic planes and actual WWI vehicles. I am level 100, since there are a ton of Shermans and Leopards now, it would be nice to see some other tanks, even some that saw little action.