DIALED S2-EP5: What is VVC? | Jordi breaks down a GRIP2 damper from New Fox 38 Fork | FOX

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024

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  • @mattsimon9154
    @mattsimon9154 4 года назад +40

    I love the fact Fox is willing to let you explain these details! Love the explanation, as always, keep up the great work!

    • @OryxAnAngryBoi
      @OryxAnAngryBoi 2 года назад +1

      I feel like because they have the patent they can have a bit of freedom to share info

  • @wesleybailey4128
    @wesleybailey4128 4 года назад +33

    Can you guys make a video talking about the RAD program? How the 38 came to be and a bit about your prototyping process. Loving the content!

  • @skeres01
    @skeres01 4 года назад +18

    Great job at explaining suspension again Jordi! High speed compression and rebound is adjusted by VVC. Nice!

  • @theodounis
    @theodounis 9 месяцев назад

    Jordi explains everything so easy about suspension tuning

  • @withoutbounds
    @withoutbounds 4 года назад +4

    After watching this I feel confident enough to go build my own in my bike shack instead of having to buy one....THANKS!

  • @justsayin3600
    @justsayin3600 4 года назад +9

    When comparing RS and Fox I always lean to Fox because of their history of; auto, moto and bike suspension experience. I think they are solid and ahead of the curve.

  • @collinalbert
    @collinalbert 4 года назад +4

    Gonna watch a few more times to really understand what you were saying. Was planning on getting an X2 for my Alchemy, and now I get the 2021 X2 stoked!

    • @seitenryu6844
      @seitenryu6844 4 года назад

      Basically, the high speed valving is acted on by higher *effective* spring force without adding deflection/preload to the spring itself. The adjustment ridge changes diameter, but not height.

  • @thedogfatherdogtraining3591
    @thedogfatherdogtraining3591 4 года назад

    These videos, and listening to Jordi has helped me immensely to set-up my SB150. LOVE IT, keep the videos coming!

  • @Wadilaksana
    @Wadilaksana 4 года назад

    Super tuner, mixologists, youtuber. You're a complete package Jordi!

  • @povteer
    @povteer 4 года назад

    VVC was something I heard with GRIP2 last year, but with the Fox 38 coming out all over the internets, this video has the right timing! yah, what's VVC indeed. really helpful! thank guys!

  • @kristianh.7703
    @kristianh.7703 4 года назад +1

    OMG I can see it!!!! That opened my world up .Thank you very much.

  • @koopatrpa
    @koopatrpa 4 года назад

    Thanks Jordy for this explanation. Have been trying to figure out the mechanism since it first came out. For some reason i thought the adjustment mimicked changing the diameter of the clamping shim. The actual execution is brilliantly simple.

  • @Michael-in6jh
    @Michael-in6jh 4 года назад +2

    So I’ve heard from a few people that the new 2021 with vvc HSC doesn’t have enough HSC even when closed. Is it better to stick with the 2020 grip2 if you are an aggressive rider. Or possible revalve the main shim stack on the 2021 dampener.

  • @PetrolHead209
    @PetrolHead209 4 года назад +1

    Hopefully this stuff appears on 2021 bikes, looking forward to moving to Fox suspension for my next bike!

  • @Alanvictoryoung
    @Alanvictoryoung 4 года назад +1

    Congrats on VVC! Intriguing way to alter the damping curve. Changes the opening point of stack but also changes the spring pressure as well. The geek in me would love to see graphs! Add another talent onto your list? :)

  • @joshstaub6224
    @joshstaub6224 4 года назад

    Hell yeah this makes sense....it’s an eye opener for sure! Thanks for this.

  • @JeffVlimant
    @JeffVlimant 4 года назад +14

    you know what? I kindly want to work with this guy...

    • @tajhendry9798
      @tajhendry9798 4 года назад +2

      Jeff Vlimant you really don’t he farts.

    • @JeffVlimant
      @JeffVlimant 4 года назад

      @@tajhendry9798 I grew up with a farting uncle... Good enough

  • @yveslaingui457
    @yveslaingui457 4 года назад

    Awesome share of info, thanks and please make more of these type of vids seeing as you're at home now and have the time😉

  • @TomStemplinger
    @TomStemplinger 4 года назад

    Great work guys even in this strange times. Thanks for that. Have a good quarantine. Can’t wait to ride the ne Grip 2 😁👍

  • @Bikesands
    @Bikesands 4 года назад +2

    I don’t need a 38 being a lightweight old and slow dude that doesn’t put much force on anything but I really want one now.

    • @Aljonone1
      @Aljonone1 4 года назад

      Just make your own 38 stickers & save $1000 plus will fit any forks & any travel!

  • @KyashanYosaBuson
    @KyashanYosaBuson 9 месяцев назад

    Very interesting and well done video. I only have one question about the GRIP2 service (my fork is a FOX 36 Performance Elite @160mm). The official FOX video (like other tutorials) indicates to push the cartridge rod upwards for 3/4 of its travel in order to release the excess oil. In other videos some don't. By pushing the rod up so much, wouldn't you risk letting too much oil escape from the cartridge? However, I suppose it is used to avoid adding oil to the 40cc PTFE already included in the FOX reference table. Thank you so much! K

  • @jackofthetrees
    @jackofthetrees 4 года назад +1

    Great explanation Jordi!

  • @evo5349
    @evo5349 4 года назад

    Fox is very good as I have run there coil shock for 3 years and its tuneable but don't be greedy on the adjusters or just get it revalved. The Fox 36 very good but converted to coil and was so much better than air.

  • @testtesttesttesttest884
    @testtesttesttesttest884 3 года назад

    Would love to see what you guys think of vorsprung's review of the 21 damper.

  • @theodounis
    @theodounis Месяц назад

    Fox suspension is always the best

  • @tomosullivan7193
    @tomosullivan7193 4 года назад

    Thanks! I enjoyed the disassembly and explanation.

  • @nickdmackie
    @nickdmackie 4 года назад +2

    Great video guys. Quick question - am I doing my X2 any harm by running it in "firm" mode on certain trails? Curious to know if it can do any damage to the shock if used regularly...

    • @jbw5485
      @jbw5485 2 года назад

      Good question. I’d like to hear a answer also. I assume it’s fine as long as you’re not on gnarly drops or casing the shit out of it regularly.

  • @wm4385
    @wm4385 4 года назад

    Thank you Jordi!

  • @johnschick716
    @johnschick716 4 года назад

    Very comprehensive Jordi! Thanks

  • @emusp
    @emusp 4 года назад

    On the next episode, can you talk a little about what's new on the DPX2 2021 shock?

  • @p199a
    @p199a 4 года назад

    need more details. please disasemble whole thing and talk through how it works during different compresions and where does oil flows and how it flows

  • @davekim8472
    @davekim8472 4 года назад

    Amazing breakdown and explanation!

  • @RonnRider
    @RonnRider 4 года назад

    Excellent vid guys! Perfectly explained. Cheers

  • @Rickie-37
    @Rickie-37 6 месяцев назад

    So I'm revisiting this video after the new GripX2 damper came out where they removed VVC on the compression side... if it's better, why get rid of it?

  • @klugehf
    @klugehf 4 года назад

    Maybe a question for Jordi: I’ve seen you do the quick rebound speed test by pushing down on the bars and seeing if the front wheel hops off the ground. But what’s with the “drop the rear wheel” test? Should it not rebound at all? How useful is this?

  • @unclewickedmtb2023
    @unclewickedmtb2023 4 года назад

    Interesting that no one ever seems to talk about the mid valve on mountain bike forks. Always rebound and base valve. Do any forks run check valves on the MV so the rebound adjuster only flows oil in the rebound direction and not on compression?

  • @adamvanderploeg8270
    @adamvanderploeg8270 4 года назад

    is there a difference, or what is the difference between a suspension setup that a normal rider would consider to be good, and a suspension setup that a good rider would consider to be fast? what are you looking for in a fast suspension setup?

  • @TheDav81
    @TheDav81 4 года назад

    Hi jordi can i ask you an question ?
    My fork that is an fit4 36 160mm kashima 2019
    When i open up the rebound it reaches a time that the fork feels that its stiff but this feeling goes away when i back down one click my question is if this is normal thanks 😁
    Loving the comeback of dialled 🤟😎👏

  • @laurenpaulchua9301
    @laurenpaulchua9301 4 года назад +1

    Hey jordi great stuff there. Just a quick question is a that custom 2021 dhx2 for tallboy 4, 190x50 or 7.5x2? Cant find that size on fox’s website. I have the same frame and is looking to convert it to coil. Thanks

    • @mikedemille
      @mikedemille 4 года назад

      I had the same question - also is the 36 at 140mm? They only make the new one in 150-160 I believe. Can you get a 140 air shaft in this new 36?

    • @laurenpaulchua9301
      @laurenpaulchua9301 4 года назад

      Mike DeMille based on the lost co bike shop here on yt, mike said that the 2021 36 can still go from 130-160mm

  • @WaechterDerNacht
    @WaechterDerNacht 3 года назад

    Did i understand that right, that this wing basically acts like an additional leaf spring to set the opening pressure of the valve and it basically just changes the length of that leaf spring, therefore the needed pressure to open it...?

  • @braxtona.4575
    @braxtona.4575 4 года назад

    Jordini master of suspension

  • @philipdalessandro2127
    @philipdalessandro2127 4 года назад

    Quick question I got the 2021 fox 36 Factory grip 2 out of the box had issues with the HSR and LSR where it is kind of extremely tight to turn and it was moving the LSR with the HSR. The shop I bought it from had to send it back to Fox and Fox had to rebuild it because they did not have any of that same model in stock and now it's happening again after just a couple of light adjustments so I have to hold the LSR well adjusting the HSR. Any information is helpful

  • @endurorider974
    @endurorider974 4 года назад

    I noticed that the new 36 will go up to 160mm of travel and the 38 from 160 to 180mm of travel. So no 36 in 170mm anymore? Actually I read that the 38 is stiffer than the 36 which is more suitable for lighter riders. So for my weight and style of riding the 36 seems to be the way to go but I ride a 170mm fork on all bikes. I'm a little bit confused lol. Thanks for your answer.

  • @chriscalomino5229
    @chriscalomino5229 4 года назад

    Need to know the coil set up on that tallboy. Have same set up with a 36 and need that coil small bump.
    Thanks for any input

  • @sacha2711
    @sacha2711 3 года назад

    what exactly is the difference between tunes on a 2021 Fox 38? stiffness of the little clock spring? orifice size? my 2021 commencal meta power 29 signature came with the 2021 fox 38 factory emtb tune; rebound is waaay too slow even with HSR & LSR dialed all the way out; while compression is waaay too light even with HSC & LSC dialed on the way in. 180 pound rider, 50-60 degree winter norcal riding, 100psi, 2 volume spacers. how do i fix this? i've heard the term 'reclock' but i don't know what that is. does fox ship forks dry to commencal, ie they might have put 20wt oil in the damper side instead of oem spec 5wt teflon infused???????????????

  • @SuperPandaChannel
    @SuperPandaChannel 4 года назад

    Hey! I just got a new Fox 34 with a GRIP2 damper. The HSR has no clicks and spins infinitely. Is my damper broken? Kinda bummed out. Thanks!

  • @Petrstuka
    @Petrstuka 4 года назад

    can you describe differences between 2020 and 2021 dhx2 shocks? thanks, Jordi, much appreciate!

  • @86309
    @86309 2 года назад

    thank you!

  • @Exalix
    @Exalix 4 года назад

    Hi Jordi! What is your comment about the new 2021 GRIP2 being under damped according to Vorsprung? Is it true?

  • @kalso69
    @kalso69 Год назад

    hi there folks @Fox suspension. I recently got hold of a Fox36 w/ the latest VVC damper and was wondering if the behavior I observed is normal for this new damper. When i fully turn the HSC/LSC to the close position, the fork still compresses as if there was no/minimal damping. in my 2019 Fox36 it's very noticeable even when just wound half way, you can feel the damper working. can fox confirm whether VVC is indeed working this way or is my fork damper defective. appreciate if you can comment, thanks in advance.

  • @promodsteve7882
    @promodsteve7882 4 года назад

    Great vid, love the technology.

  • @premiumboard21
    @premiumboard21 3 года назад

    So what the difference betwen preload the spring valve and leverage methode?

  • @jibberist
    @jibberist 4 года назад

    love it !

  • @harrisonbuenger8467
    @harrisonbuenger8467 4 года назад

    So this is essentially a better way of using high speed and low speed rebound controls or am I missing the point?

  • @vikingo4877
    @vikingo4877 4 года назад

    Jordi looks to be such a mint julep guy. In my mind thats all he drinks. In a metal cup of course. What will the retail price be on the new valve for a 40?

  • @Purveyorofawesome
    @Purveyorofawesome 4 года назад

    Jordi wearing a Whoop 🤘

  • @mtba102
    @mtba102 4 года назад

    Where can I find the axle to crown length for the new fox 38 27.5 models?

  • @gsichtle1
    @gsichtle1 4 года назад

    Jordi, ist this a Specialized saddle on your santa?? I have got the cambination!!! Regards from Germany

  • @nicolasvo4577
    @nicolasvo4577 4 года назад

    So i got a quick question, arent the new 36,38&40 kind of over-ingieured for a normal, day to day mtb rider? I didn't look at the price list but isn't all of this going to make those suspensions enormously expensive for a rider who doesnt need so much dialing?

  • @ttengineer404
    @ttengineer404 4 года назад

    Is the new damper compatible with the older forks?

  • @clarkie005
    @clarkie005 4 года назад

    Honestly surprised this basic design wasn’t picked up before fox got the idea and patented it.

  • @ShiftMTB
    @ShiftMTB 4 года назад

    Freaking brilliant people

  • @wonderwatch2239
    @wonderwatch2239 4 года назад +1

    Is that a coil shock, on a SC tallboy?👀

    • @akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae
      @akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae 4 года назад

      I think that's a nomad. Pretty certain that a DHX2 wouldn't fit on a tallboy.

    • @timgair6930
      @timgair6930 4 года назад

      Yes that is a Tallboy. He said ina previous video he was getting ~120 in the rear. So maybe it has a slightly longer stroke than stock

  • @hollycow123445
    @hollycow123445 4 года назад

    Can we drop this new damper into a 2020 36?

  • @bonemasterj
    @bonemasterj 4 года назад

    But what does VVC stand for? Variable Valve Control?

  • @adammccarthy2157
    @adammccarthy2157 4 года назад

    They will have redesigned it by August

  • @Twisted_Biscuit
    @Twisted_Biscuit 4 года назад

    will this damper fit in previous 36 forks?

  • @cristobalmunoz9222
    @cristobalmunoz9222 4 года назад

    In my opinion in #dialed guy the #ridefox Jordi Cortés thes new grips damper of the new forcka 38 of the. Fox bike's. 🗣️yyaaCammone so good saluds a the guy #foxdialed. Of Chile 🇨🇱 🤘😀🤘 ♥️ 💯

  • @nelson4483
    @nelson4483 4 года назад +2

    Where are the Honda fan boys?

  • @dank3823
    @dank3823 4 года назад

    Very trick design. Who thinks this stuff up?

  • @m1chaelsc
    @m1chaelsc 4 года назад

    I find this stuff really interesting as an aspiring engineer. (I'm 16)

  • @bisforbroke4233
    @bisforbroke4233 4 года назад

    There is only one real jordi

  • @w1jumpmaster
    @w1jumpmaster Год назад

    It would nice if it actually worked.. they should tell you if you run of a certain PSI.. it's worthless

    • @About8VT
      @About8VT 6 месяцев назад

      Care to elaborate??? I’m looking at a 49 w/ this damper currently…and I’m heavy…and run high PSI.

  • @steelwing7532
    @steelwing7532 4 года назад +1

    I'm so sad I missed this tech when I bought my bike 4 months ago. Jealous.

    • @sonnduro
      @sonnduro 4 года назад +1

      Jeff French always wait a year, new stuff aren’t always reliable. At least with the old stuff you know its going to work.

    • @steelwing7532
      @steelwing7532 4 года назад

      @@sonnduro Fair enough!

    • @sonnduro
      @sonnduro 4 года назад +1

      I feel the same sorta, i got a fox factory 36 grip 2 2019/2020. But when they say you gotta check the air pressure before every ride with the new fork, thats kinda turns me away from it.

    • @steelwing7532
      @steelwing7532 4 года назад +1

      @@sonnduro I converted my 2020 grip2 factory 36 to a Vorsprung Smashpot

    • @adanielweaver
      @adanielweaver 4 года назад +1

      @@steelwing7532 could you really notice a difference? What was it and was it worth it?

  • @DM-hw4cr
    @DM-hw4cr 3 года назад

    Wash your hair