Fox GRIP2 vs FIT4 / Which is best for you?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- For 2019, Fox offers two different dampers in their Float 36 forks; the GRIP2 and the FIT4.
Although the GRIP2 damper is brand spankin' new and feels amazing, I believe it may not be the better choice for some riders.
Check out the video to figure out which will be better for you while you're either upgrading your current fork or building up a new bike with some sweet Fox suspension!
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Which rider type are you? Rider A or Rider B???
Most definitely rider B. Lol. Set it and rip!!!
@@ridingwiththereids The more fun way of setup! 😂
@@TheLostCo lol exactly. If I bottom out, I just add a little more air. That's about it. But I also have a cheap suntour fork...
@@ridingwiththereids Hey whatever gets the job done!
B
Rider B is me.... like 100x over.... If only people saw me saying "I think I adjusted my rebound settings on this thing..... yeah I think I did" 😂 - Great video Mike!
Definitely “B”. I move the knobs around and then go for a ride and go hmm... I didn’t fall off my bike so it must be okay.
I Have a non adjustable fork with rim brakes, why am I watching this?
It's been a year, have you upgraded yet?
@@dyremtb27.5 lmao
No need to bragg about it, I only have a steel tube!
its been 3 years did u upgraded it yet?
Have you upgraded?
Rider A: I tried all the helmets in the shop, for the right fit.
Rider B: My small head fits XXXL just fine.. let’s gooo already!
Man, it's just one of best video explanation/review I have ever seen. Definitely the best opening story :))
Brother, hands down the best fork description video I’ve ever seen! You know your shit and that makes a guy like me who is a suspension geek Uber happy! Keep up the Brilliant work!
Thanks so much for the kind words, dude!! Glad I could entertain ya!!
Before watching this video, I had my heart set on getting the Grip2 damper, but now I’m not so sure. My current fork (34 Rhythm) has the Grip damper (basically only a lockout lever and rebound adjust) and I’m pretty happy with it. I mainly want Factory for the lighter weight as well as to match to the Kashima of my DPX2 shock, so I think I may just go with the Fit4
I just bought the 36 in 150mm with fit4 because bizarrely fox wont sell the grip2 as 150mm but they told me i can buy it as a 160mm and then get a shorter air piston to reduce the travel to 150mm. This makes no sense.
Most definitely rider B. Just twist knobs until shit feels good and send it 😁
Thanks for the video and info. The fox fork is way outta my price range, but it's nice to see what's available out there. Also subscibed 😎
LOL turn knobs and send shit... that needs to be a sticker and shirt haha.
Thanks for the subscribe and good words! Glad to have you along for the ride!!
Lol you make the shirts and I'd gladly wear one 😉😁
Great video, thanks for the info! I just did the Grip2 upgrade on my Fox 40, from the Fit4. Very easy to swap out, and what a big difference!
Yessss, exact video I was looking for with every question answered. Subbed.
Best fork I have tried is the Rock Shox Judy on my old bike, now I got a Suntour coil on my new bike. I think I will be more than happy with any Fox 34 FIT4/GRIP2 model I will choose as my upgrade. Bought the cheapest version of a good-framed branded mtb on sale, to choose the upgrades that I want, instead of getting a high-end version, with only so-so parts.
The scenes out on the trail were hilarious. More of that, please! Great video. Clears up a mystery. Thanks.
I've been looking at fox forks and kept wondering wth was the difference. Your video popped up a
With the exact answer. Damn good video broham. I'd like the Grip2 but I'm more of a I just wanna ride type so Fit4 sounds like a winner.
love the out takes or blooper part to this video, you should always add them in or at the end as extras cause they give a real life feel to it and make it all more relaxing and fun know we are all mere mortals that have a passion for mountain biking.
Agree
Great video thanks. Had my Grip2 about 3 weeks and what an amazing fork. Set up mine within 3 rides using the ShockWiz and now feels amazing. Money well spend.
Nice man thats great to hear!!! I love my GRIP2 fork!
This is probably the best video on fox forks I’ve ever seen. Thank you for making this so easy to understand!
Going from a recon to the orange factory 36 gonna be so nice
Great video. I'm definitely rider B. I'm in the process of understanding the different types of dampers and didn't have any idea of these things, my original concern was more focused on having the 3 positions on the fork which is pretty much the only thing that I use during my rides
Just found this! Good stuff. I did find that with the Grip2, a Shockwiz was a huge help. Got my fork tuned in a day.
Thanks for posting this!
I'm using a friend's Shockwiz on my Fit4 damper Factory 34 and the LSC only, single rebound adjustment is a bit frustrating. Weird that a SRAM product has me shopping for a Fox upgrade, lol.
Great video! I've got the Fit4 from 2018, but it has the same HSC, LSC dampening control as the Grip2 in your video (just not the independant hi/lo rebound adjuster), so I guess my fork is for the rider between A and B!
Hey Kit! The damper you have is referred to as their FIT HSC/LSC. This damper has been phased out to the new GRIP2 damper which is the upgraded replacement for that damper in the Fox lineup.
That damper was great too! If you ever feel like you'd like to have that adjustable high-speed rebound, you can easily swap out your damper with a GRIP2 which you can order from me @ misterlost.com/forks/2019-fox-36-grip2-damper-upgrade-kit
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This was a great video. I was on the fence about getting the fit for damper but thanks to your video and explanation definitely going with the fit for as I'm the kind of guy who just wants to ride and not tinker!
Good vid. Rider A vs B is a solid philosophy to start with. I've tried both forks and really liked both. Where I believe Grip2 is better is with Big brands that are just borrowing geometry trends from niche brands & haven't thought through the overall kinematics & thus extra adjustment is well appreciated or just super OCD Type A riders. Fit4 is terrific for good niche brands because the geometry & kinematics is painstakingly thought through. For example Pivot or Transition, loved Fit4 on those bikes, yet those brands really think through everything & thus you pay more but get more which equals less to think through on settings vs. big brands. My 2 cents. Totally OK to disagree cause if you do...just means you,'re passionate abt Mtb 🤘
I’m definitely rider B. Set it and forget it 👍🏼 you guys are really doing well with these videos. Keep it up Mike 🤘🏼
Gives me an idea what to wear in a wet trail. A freaking checkered long sleeves…😆✌🏼
Great run down man, I love the detail...just what I was looking for.....really appreciated!
Got a rockshox pike... Why am i watching this!?
HAHA! The answer is: because you are a mountain biker, you are naturally a tinkerer and are always considering how different things feel on the trail! Thats actual why I enjoy bikes so much, because its s super personal feeling between you and your bike. Your car might have worn out tires, suspension is beat down, etc, but you don't exactly have that much of a connection between your hands, brain, and the vehicle. With a bike, though, there's not as much going on as with a car and you can feel every little difference.
That was a long answer to a short question! 😂
Because you are aspirational :)
@@th_js bro, I saw you again
@@th_js yup, I say this every time
@@th_js it's currently 20:10 here in Switzerland, but have a good one to bro
Exactly the video I was looking for! Thanks, subbed
Heck yeah! Glad you and enjoyed and happy to have you along for the ride!
Are you looking to get a new Fox fork? If so, give me a ring at the shop and I'll help you get one! The shop number is 360-306-8827.
"Nice and dry out"... lol! I love PNW winter riding.
Hahahahaha
I honestly had no idea that there was this fit 4 and grip 2 damper I thought they were the same thing. I literally had no idea what they did 😂
Same with my Fox 40 fit 4. I do not care that much. My type is like B, i used to be A and loose a lot of time with settings. But then i understood what i want from the fork. Not to change the settings on every damn trail. It's somewhat fine, could be better of course. But it's not worth my time, i am not a pro. I am still fast on the trails and have fun. This is why i do this hobby, FOR fun. Not to loose too much time with settings, i would rather spend that time riding and having fun.
I just bought my first full suspension bike (defcon1) and it has a Fox 36 with the fit4. So far I absolutely love it!! I'm a type A kinda dude 👍
I'm Type B, with the power of Shockwiz 😎
This is why i love my Lyric 19 its like a plug and play no need to do any shit just straight shredding out of the box
Mike, I love your videos. You are very knowledgeable and passionate about bikes. Please keep it up!
thanks I currently ride a 7 years old cross-country fully home upgraded to fox factory 34 120mm fit4 (to keep the original 120-120 geometry) but looking at an emtb I definitely want more travel and smoothing, hearing what you say I would not want a grip2 on a muscular bike as the locked and float settings are game changers for pedaling power did 60 miles 4770ft recently worst slope was 18% you do not want pedal pumping on that uphill >< for a muscular bike used to climb mountains on road or hard terrain and descent on wherever I want grass dirt off trail (I bike hike if you get what I mean) i deflated slightly below my recommended fox weight pressure, lock or float to ascend with rebound to stiff then unlock all and set rebound to fast for descent it's not bad for cross country, at recommended fox pressures I get very good pedalling uphill but the (4770ft) downhill was rough on my rear and shoulders, I can easily guess the high low speed settings of the grip 2 would help fix my too harsh too soft problem I'll keep that in mind for the emtb and will watch your setup guide thank you very much
I have a Grip didn't have a time to set up properly (ski season came up on us), for sure will check your video and did I mention I subbed, thank you!
Nice job, I went from a 3 year old pike to a fit 4 last year and couldn't be happier, that I know of, I am the guy that will spend time getting it dialed in right away then I better write it down cause I leave it alone from there on. I usually seek out alot of the same terrain that I love to ride so I think I got the right one.
Sounds like the FIT4 was definitely for you! They're awesome dampers!!
Everybody seems to gravitate towards the 36.
Do i really need a heavier and stiffer fork if i'm a lighter rider?
Is there really such a difference from the 34 Performance Elite?
Got yourself a new subscriber!
I don’t think there is a difference it’s only 2mm thinner not noticeable
I have the same fork on my bike and it’s awesome! Unless you’re super aggressive and bombing everything no difference
I’m still barreling an eight year-old 34 off of drops on our North Shore gnar and it’s held up fine. That said, I bought the 36 because I don’t care about weight
Jordy- "it's fine, no further adjustment needed"
You deserve way more subs man, you make some awesome videos! 🤘
Thanks Nick!!! I just started the channel recently and haven't had a ton of time lately to put up constant videos. Might close the shop for the winter to just focus on filming!!
Mister Lost Bike Shop No problem!! Nice man, the shop looks sick too! I’m sure all of your subscribers would love that I know I would, keep the awesome content coming!! 🤘One thing I wanted to ask you was your thoughts on two bikes that I am in between purchasing for next summer 2019. Right now I am in between the YT Capra 29 and the YT jeffsy 27. I don’t know which to go with, I will be taking the bike to killington bike park in Vermont around 2-4 times a month and I will also be using it on my local single track trails. If you have any insight on these bikes or if you have any other suggestions it would be great to hear them! Cheers!
@@nick-knock Thats an easy one!
Bike Park = Capra 😎
Seriously though! The Capra will make you happier in the bike park, and they pedal pretty dang good!
Mister Lost Bike Shop that’s what I was thinking too! Haha thanks so much for the input man! And If I’m ever in Bellingham (which I hope to get out there one day, seems like some pretty sweet trails) I’ll have to stop by and check out the shop 🤘
would you please make a full tutorial video on how to set up grip 2 fox 38 fork. I really need it.
Grip 2… once you get your settings dialed be sure to log them in on your phone. My kids like to spin dials and I forgot what my magic setting was.
It's not the right description. Many people think Grip2 is an upgrade compared to FIT4 whereas both are as good as each other. The difference is just in the way you can tune their settings. FIT4 is adaptable on the fly (AKA on-ride) for different ride types via 3 modes on-ride + 2 off-ride setting (LSC and rebound), it takes all its universe when used with a remote + fork adaptor. Though you cans still fine tune a FIT4 via a suspension service. Grip2 cannot be set on-ride (neither remote possibility), so only off-ride, but offers more settings (only one extra) and finer tuning dials, the settings are the LSC, HSC, LS rebound and HS rebound.
In the end, this means rider A + Grip2 is more into tuning it's fork and then forget it which means the way he tuned his fork is an all rounder for all situations, rider B + FIT4 is more into adapting to terrain and type of rides with modes Open for descends/tough, Mid for general pedalling, Locked for top pedalling, super accelerations, etc (or indeed just easier tuning but this is secondary).
I am rider A when I first get the shock maybe about 10 minutes, after ten minutes im rider B and only adjust my GRIP Damper for climbing-just a lever on my Marzocchi Z1 Coil.
Fit 4 closed system, doesn't share oil from lowers. Stays cleaner and better small bump longer service intervals.
I like my old Scott Twinloc CTD with remote system, I prefer to lock or unlock both(fork and shock) on the fly.
Well explained I’m type B rider with a new fork after set up first week or two I dial most one or two more clicks or add more bottom out Tokons
Rider A OCD desire with rider B knowledge😁. That’s why I’m watching! Thanks 👍🏻
I am a tinkerer by heart but since i don't have the money to invest in high end bikes which comes with high end suspension am i limited to the fairly limited range of adjustments of the entry level forks and shocks. I'm currently running an almost bone stock trek remedy 7, I have only swapped out the tires. so i have learnt to go for what feels good and stick with that.
but I hope that my next bike in like 5-10 years time will be a higher end piece of equipment. i'm planning on building up a frame to my specs so I can save where I don't feel as much difference and shell out on things like the suspension and rims
I have the fit 4 and have no problem with adjustments on it. I'm planning to get an mrp ramp control as well for more adjustments. I wish mrp made a blue one instead of orange. Orange doesn't go with my color scheme. I would upgrade to the grip 2 but not on my priority list unless I find it cheap enough.
## fit 4 is a really good damper that most ppl would not need to change unless you want the latest and greatest. Don't go get the grip when the fit 4 is fine for 90% of most riders.
i'm rider B
i don't even know when i'm high or low on rebond
i don't see the diference ahah
Kylian Philips i feel out of place when riders talk about their suspension set up. 🤦♂️
The beginning of this video if funny! Thanks for the info guys.
I have a microwave oven with tons of of options but only one I use is minute plus. 3 options on a fork is already 1 too many for me. Open, close should be just fine. Easy choice and currently on sell at 50% off.
Nice! This is just fantastic. Thanks for cutting to the chase, and cutting through the “if I don’t have the latest, greatest, top o’ the line, it’s not good enough.” I’m rider type A, but I’ll make sure to send all my B-type riding buddies to this video.
Awsome video. Explained in detail and doesnt leave you guessing. 👍🏻
I have the grip 2, just got it, but I prefer just having a lock, pro pedal, and full squish.
I've got a set of Fox 32 with the Grip system and buggar me, I can't find the "perfect" setup. There's too many settings but I love it. The lockout system is absolutely fantastic and the damping is sublime.
@@demortorman I found a good middle ground in the end and dropped 5ml oil into the air chamber. The sheer range of adjustment took me a while to get right though. Spent ages looking for perfection, a click here, a clock there kind of thing.
lol if I get stationed up in the PNW, your shop is gonna be the new hangout spot. Plus that mobile bike truck is slick.
Rider A is worst type on the trail lol
I need to buy and quit being indecisive. I would not know how to use it anyways. Thanks to trek their online settings have been amazing on my 2014 trek slash for the last 10 years
Newb here to MTB and your videos are a huge help. Thx!!
You are very welcome!
The suntour highend forks also have independent hsc, lsc, hsr and lsr. And also a lockout swich.
Why do the lowers look different? You'd think they would be the same being that they are both brand new 36's
Good eye! One fork is boost, and the other is non-boost. The arch on the forks is different depending on the hub spacing.
Guess I’m rider A and I’ll be going with the grip 2 thanks broham
Grip 2 for racers,techs,and nerds. Fit4 for most customers and general public. I myself am type A on my bikes.
Do you know how the Fox 34 AWL differs from the Fox Factory Fit4 or Grip2?
8:58 your doors suddenly opened when you told about scarying people.
GRIP is A LOT more repair/rebuild and service friendly than FIT4 imo. Previously GRIP was like cheaper fit4 alternative damper built for easier service (float 32SC etc.). But now i was actually surprised when i heard that GRIP 2 has MORE adjustments...But anyway - these forks cost insane money unless you buy them with a bike so most of the people get what they get anyway :D
Mine says Fit Grip which I think is really just Grip. Dampers are a bit confusing.
fit4 rider on 120mil 34 here. Now that we can upgrade to grip2 too, this has become a question. Honestly, I think I have much more to gain by tuning the spring rather than changing the damper. Look at you, Vorsprung Luftkappe! Should make it more subtle off the top and give mid-stroke support. I tried relying on the damper for support, but it just makes the whole thing feel sluggish and not active at all.
Hollywood here, we need you asap
Very good video. I have Fit4 inside my Fox 38 160mm. After 300km I have notice interesting behavior: riding down hill above 25-30 km / h suddenly damper start to be perfectly smooth and feels like flowing (perfect damping, perfect control). In opposite with low speed , below 25km/h feels less comfortable.
Wondering it is wrong adjustment of my Fit4 or this is just normal behavior of Fit4. To increase low speed comfort/control I should change for Grip2?
Thanks for helping me decide.
thanks for this video.... i finally understood my fox 32 fit 4 damper...👍
Nice review. I have the Fit4 on a 34FOX and love it and pretty much just set it and forget it. I only weigh 160 and my trails are not that aggressive plus it’s on a hardtail. I’m actually building another hardtail SS and see the new 34FOX has the Grip2 option. I don’t know if I would notice the marginal improvement on a Grip2 so I’ll probably just get another Fit4.
Good intel! I have a GRIP2 Fox 34 (back)ordered for my (backordered) Ibis Ripley and (backordred) i9 wheels. For the pavement miles to get to the park, and fire road climbs, I'm not sure I can live without matching 3 position levers front & rear
How did you make out with the GRIP2? I just got my Ripley with the same fork and am overwhelmed with the adjustability of this thing vs the shock. So far just 20% sag H&L comp wide open, H&L Rebound 1/2 way out is pretty darn good lol but I'll be fiddling with this thing forever I can see🧐.
@@topjmmi I got cold feet and changed my [back]order to a Fit4 with 3 position lever. Though Fox stopped calling it Climb, Trail, Descend that's how my rides go and it works for me. I haven't found out what I'm missing
@@Obankenobi right on glad it worked out well for you. I've never tried the fit4 so I guess I haven't found out what I'm missing either so all is good climbs like a goat!
I literally couldn't concentrate on you too much because i fell in love with the beats in the background lmao
Nice video. Are there any 3D simulations which explains how damper works in general?
Type B+ I like to tinker but set it and forget it while riding. Currently have the FIT4, but have looked into possibly replacing the damper with the GRIP2 later on.
Haha me too! If you want to swap out the damper, you can order the GRIP2 Damper Kit from me @ misterlost.com/forks/2019-fox-36-grip2-damper-upgrade-kit
You are the suspension GOD
Awesome video as usual! Thanks
most adjustable, I beg to differ. If anything its only equal to or a little less than the cane creek Helm. The Helm forks has an adjustable negative air chamber. fox or Rock shox do not have that. Yes, it only has 1 circuit for rebound adjust. But it also has a built in token system. You don't have to drop an extra $150 for the MRP ramp control. You also have companies like MRP and DVO having bleed valves in the system which decreases the amount of services it would need.
so unless Fox has an adjustable negative air chamber, built in token system, or a bleed valve. I highly doubt its "the most adjustable fork on the market."
Sorry, I meant that the GRIP2 is most adjustable damper. Also, the GRIP2 damper is a self-bleeding damper as well.
No need for a negative air chamber when the EVOL and Debonair works as good as they do!
Great video thanks! One question: What shirt is Josh wearing? 10:45
I demand electronically controlled, multi-chamber predictive dampening, the bike should know ahead of time.
yeah youll be instaling mrp ramp control on that
Other RUclipsrs: hey guys welcome back to another video!!!
This dude: WHATS UP DIRTBAGS!!!!!!
We like to keep it real
Have always kinda found the RC2 was overdamped, while the fit4 always seemed very underdamped...the grip 2 achieved the perfect balance.
do you have any suggestions how to make my fit4 170mm fill more like RC2? does tokens or different oil than 20wt gold help? i have a weight of 104kg, medium fitness for my 192cm, ride bikeparks and use 6 rebound strokes instead of recommended for my weight 3 strokes, others open/open, 1 token and still fill its underdamped. please help!
Switching to a heavier weight oil can slow things down and increase damping, although I'm personally not sure as to what specific options there are. Run your low speed compression nearly closed, I'm 92kg kitted usually had it around 4 clicks out from closed (out of 18). Would also go up to at least 3-4 volume spacers for your weight. Although it may honestly just be worthwhile to invest in a grip 2 damper...having the high-speed adjustments has been game changing for some of my friends who are similar in size to you.
Very useful video and very well explained. Thanks a lot! I’m clearly a rider type B.
Let me ask you a (freak) question: are there differences in terms of weight between the Fit4 and the Grip2?
Subscribed to your channel. Greatings from a fellow RUclipsr from Spain
I’d like to put a grip2 in my 36 but I use my lockout alot on my fit4. How stiff can i make the grip2 compared to fit4 for pedaling???
Thanks for this video... I was about to grab the FIT4 not knowing what the GRIP2 is lol
Can u change the lever ? I have fox 34 but has that stupid wire that’s controlled buy a kick out on handle bars . So can I change that
Great stuff. I've got a Canyon Spectral with 36 Performance Elite Grip2 160mm. Anyone know if the travel on that fork can be adjusted to 140mm or 150mm? And, if it can, does it take travel away from the bottom or top of the stroke? Anyone done this before and what was your experience? Thanks!
honestly im quite happy with my fit4 fox 36... 4 clicks of LSC , rebound a little fast from middle and im good to go. super happy with it. the x2 ... on the other hand...
Yeah the FIT4 is a great damper! What don't you like about your Float X2? I love mine!
Another great video, thanks again.
I wish they still had them in Matte Black
Nothing a rattle can can't fix!
LOL "My dirt bags" I love it.
man that was great. thanks. very helpful.
I wish the grip 2 damper was available in the fox 34 120mm version
I so hope i can get hold on a FOX grip2 damper fork with my bike im gonna by now. Stock it comes with a FIT4 damper apparently, even when the site itself for the bike says ''GRIP damper''. Maybe i can upgrade it for alittle more money.
Becouse i come from Motocross background im very used to high and low speed both compression and rebound so this fork would be awesome for me!
The fit4 is pretty harsh. Going to upgrade to grip2
This is a great guide.
I have a question about how this relates to the 2019 Fox 34 forks. On the 36 forks, the Grip2 is more expensive than the Fit4, which is totally understandable. But, on the 34, the Grip fork costs less than the Fit4. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Is the Grip Damper on the 34 fork anything like the Grip2 on the 36 fork?
I'm definitely a Type B rider. I currently have a Float 32 CTD on a 2015 Trance 2 and I'm thinking I might update it. I like being able to lock out the fork, so it seems like the Fit4 would be best for me.
Thoughts?
I have a marzocchi dirt Jumper 2 from 2004 and my walet dont really Looks like a fox fork but its intersting