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Is a $1000 Fox 34 GRIP2 really worth it? High Low Ep 3
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2022
- Is a $1100 Fox 34 GRIP2 fork really that much better?
Credit to Donut Media & Pinkbike for the inspiration behind this mega series.
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"It has a compression knob that I'll never touch." This is the absolute truth for the vast majority of us average mountain bikers.
Great video. Loving this series!
Learn to work the knob
When a suspension part of a bicycle costs 2x as much as a motorcycle, car, truck.
Yeah people we're getting scammed.
I use the lockout a lot on my hardtail 🤷
Well that's the truth. I have remote lockout on my Reba and I use it a lot
It doesn't matter you won't touch it. What's matter is that the lower end fork has the unavailable settings configured for all riders of all weight and skills. If you got more options to set its always better even if you don't touch them ever again. The fork would be setup for your weight and not universal as the one with almost no settings. If you don't care then you would probably not find any difference buying even a cheaper fork than Z2. So why overpay for the Z2? :-) And by the way self set up of the complicated fork is not a big deal. The maufcaturer suggested options are great. A lower-end fork will ever get close to the ride quality of an adjusted fork.
The forks pinkbike should have actually used! Thanks for the quality content!
@Anton Chigurh I know! They could have excecuted it so much better with their production budget! They should've just serviced the original fork!
Ikr pink bike puts the most random and terrible value stuff on thier high low
@Anton Chigurh Seemed like a missed opportunity to sell some of the mid-tier or lower end branded stuff, but I guess they're too afraid of people realizing they don't need the absolute top of the line gear.
Nope. The ali express fork was trashier
Agreed, pink bike make a fool of budget bikers. Thank you Evan for being legit!! 🙏🙏
I absolutely love the gold look of the fox fork. When i think front suspension this is the image that comes to mind.
I got a polygon d5 for my birthday, my dad bought a d7 for himself and we try to go mountain biking every time we can but we are usually busy. I was thinking about upgrading my polygon sense he has a rock shox on his. I found a fox 36 for a couple hundred. Obviously I didn’t want to research if it fit so I just watched your video
I really gotta state how much I appreciate the effort and commitment into this series, I mean you
Bought two of the same
Bike which isn’t cheap alone especially for a growing RUclipsr. Big respect and even bigger production value. Keep it up 👍🏻👍🏻
This is already better than Pinkbikes version.. kudos to you Evan! 🙌🏽 your videos NEVER disappoint 💯
A bike set up to go faster is going to feel worse every time. Maybe that Bomber is set up to go faster compared to your settings on the 34. Using the same pressure and rebound settings is utterly pointless if the dampers are different. Each setting affects the other settings in some way. This is why I think a high end damper with 4-5 different adjustments is a double edged sword, an average joe will have a hard time achieving a good setup. The Marzocchis are very limited but in both directions. You can't make them perfect but you can't fck them up completely either by randomly turning some knobs. I think paying the premium for high end dampers only makes sense if you already found the limit of a simpler damper and understand how to set it up for an improved ride.
It's so funny that the Fox, with all the adjustments, just happened to be in a near perfect setting. I half-@ssed tuned it. Like set everything in the middle and just sent it. So ironic 😭
As a roadie who's dipped into the mtn/gravel/bike packing world, there's so many more variables that it can be overwhelming. I'm glad my fork is as basic as me, just remembering to unlock the fork at the top of a hill is a lot for me
Haha why is it so hard to remember to unlock the compression at the top of the hill! I had to completely stop messing with compression because I'd ALWAYS forget 😭😭
You hit it on the head there are endless variables in mountain biking vs. Road biking. Honestly most road bike riders are on autopilot and this is why you see a lot of crashes or mishaps. When you ride a mountain bike on Trails you have to be focused 100% on the time or you wind up on your arse. With regard to suspension settings it could be a bit confusing the best thing to do is to study up on how suspension dampers work in relation to physics in relation to body weight body position riding style and where you ride. It's a very heady subject but once you figure out some basic things you can take advantage of the componentry. I recommend Vorsprung. Stay away from gmbn, while these guys are well-intentioned they are a bunch of Muppets. And usually contradict themselves don't really know what they're talking about very much. Also Mojo suspension. Those guys are like professors, and then there's the suspension Bible from racetech.
All good stuff to learn and improve upon. 👍
Top tier suspension is definately amazing but considering the cost different of $700 and how good a Z2 actually is as a trail fork...I could get a Z2 plus a great rear shock for what that Fox costs...and a better headset
I love the Evan v Chad run.
Thanks for the content man. It's theoretically simple to do the chad segments but like... hassle. So. I salute you for the added effort.
Oh yeah it definitely adds a whole level to change shirts and keep track of everything lol
@@EvansMTBSaga Still, top notch presentation. Even as someone with a big box bike budget rather than bike store bike budget? These kind of things just plain interest me.
@@singletona082 a used specialized or similar is better than a new Walmart bike. And then later on you might be able to save up for the wheel upgrade or something
@@nk-dw2hm The walmart bike is serving it's purpose. for like.. $250 I've been able to find out if I want to bike again, plus a few cheap upgrades to said bike so I can tear the thing up and fix it.
And now? I have a loaner bike while also being able to save up for something nicer.
@@singletona082 no problem going with what works for you. On the bright side, when you move away from that Walmart tank hill climbs are going to feel amazing 😉
As a 51yr old biker who has owned and tried almost any major fork brand and fork travel, I can tell you it's not worth it for the most of us. Now I ride a Z2 140mm.
This series is awesome. But I would spend a bit more time trying to dial in the z2. having too few volume spacers and too much air pressure will make it harsh.
How many spacers would you recommend?
@@halnogaies1256 it depends on your weight and riding style. Try one extra then two
Still blowing pinkbike out the water with every episode of high/low keep it up 👍
Thanks Matthew!!
Thanks for making this. It was entertaining and useful at the same time. I like how you compared it to actual GOOD budget forks and not some eBay dumpster trash. Looking forward for more videos !
Great series! It’s too bad the D5 doesn’t have Boost spacing. “Chad” is going to have issues with that 141mm rear axle.
I have adapters coming for a 148 hub to work on the 141 QR, supposedly! 🤞
@@EvansMTBSaga thats never gonna work loool
@@EvansMTBSaga My GT Pantera has Boost 141 rear spacing. I used a spacer kit for the axle and rotor, but it was such a pain in the ass that I ended up just buying a koozer boost 141 hub and rebuilding the wheel. No spacers needed and I have endcaps to fit my 12mm x 142 xc hardtail.
@@EvansMTBSaga I wish Trek and others would just say to the mega factory that contacts for them to stop using 141 boost. Its a friggin nightmare. Glad I finally have 148mm as a rear axle now..
I sure hope Les Franks is enjoying his new bike
Yup he received it and built it up!
I've watched this series twice now, it doesn't get old💯
Hey Evan, just wanted to say that this is a great inspiring series and I enjoy this content. Keep the great work up and I can't wait for the video! The idea of comparing expensive to cheap is cool and I guess that it's pretty fun to do as well? I have always liked expensive parts, (not that I own many) but this gives me a new perspective!
Thanks I appreciate it!!
For general riding trails Mazzocchi Bomber Z2 good fork Nice and plush I had one. No complaints at all
I have the z2, and love it. It is on my Fuse 27.5. There is no denying though that factory is a much higher level. I think the Z1 is comparable to the Factory.
The z1 is more of an enduro fork. It’s got 36mm stantions, so it’s comparable to the fox 36, at $400 cheaper. The z2 is supposedly more stiff(less play in the fit between the stanctions and lowers) than the fox 34 due to different bushings or something, so that’s a positive about it.
This is what pink bike should have done! This series is way better because you are actually making smart upgrades for the budget bike.
I mean....one could consider a Cane Creek 10 Series or FSA No.57 a "budget" headset...
As far as the forks, the Marz is basically a Fox Rhythm (from what I've been told) which is actually a pretty decent fork setup correctly. True it's no Fox Factory 34 or RS Pike....but still a pretty dang good fork. Personally, I own a DVO Diamond which has that LSC/HSC and OTT and all the other ABCs, but I still prefer one with a basic on/off switch....open/lockout to run a remote lockout.
4:26 You should apply grease on the headset, the compression ring, the top of the bearing. This assures it won't get stuck, and adds another layer of protection. So it helps to prevent rust.
Cool I will do that, sounds like common sense now that you mention it 😢
Marzocchi used to build some of the greatest forks ever (they mainly build Moto-Cross forks). The coating on my Junior-T (1998) is still just as new. Now there's only the brands name left [like many great brands. Grundig, Blaupunkt, etc.]
I love that you shoot your videos at FINS as that's the closest trail system to my home! Nice video!
Pink bike has some competition
Love how you tease what part its gonna be about next episode! An XX1 axs derailleur!?!??
Haha yup!
@@EvansMTBSaga well thats certainly gonna be interesting! (And expensive)
Things are made for what they were designed. I bought a Bolany fork two years ago and since that time, I have been taking it beyond its limits, now is time to give it a honorable retirement. I will buy a Marzocchi fork to test it and I will do the same, a FOX fork could be great, but in the heat of the road, for sure I cannot feel the difference, and more if I take a ride on our fabolous & horrible streets of Mexico. I love urban MTB, here. Thanks for the video and precious info.
I love that you really made a great comparison video with parts people would actually consider. Thanks for all the work!!
I subbed bout 6 months ago but ive been watching your vids since you had like 70 or so subs, your stuff has always been high quality and youve definitely earned your following today. Keep it up my man!
one of the best series on yt
great video! FYI, PVC pipe plus end cap makes for an awesome crown race setter. Fits perfect around the 1.5" head tube and sets the race perfectly. Great for Cane creek with the rubber seal on it too so you don't have to hammer the sides unevenly.
Man I'm loving this series!! Spot on with the editing, your going the extra mile here and it shows!
Thanks for posting a video and letting me procrastinate a bit longer. Very swag
Since when did bicycle parts become as expensive or more expensive than cars??????
Top end parts have always been expensive, I remember paying £599 for Judy SL’s back in 1992. With inflation that’s about 1k today.
There’s no cars at this price anymore unless they are super used and old
The bomber forks nowadays are basically more affordable float forks. They have the fox internals so really the only thing you're missing is whether or not you have Kashima. I like the new bomber forks. Price isn't bad if you can't afford a Fox fork, whilst still getting a float without it being a fox. That's about as simple as it gets.
I saw a pro ride put marrazoci lowers and fox uppers and it looked insane
I am loving this series!
Hell yeah! Y'know it's gonna be a good day when Evan uploads!
I just put a Marzocchi Bomber z2 on my new Norco Fluid fs2. The fork is awesome
I also have a norco sight vlt a1 with a fox 34. I love them both.
For truing wheels you might want to pick up a park tool dish checker as well. Dish is the offset that your hub is from left to right. By just truing the wheel you can screw up dish and effect the way the wheel rides. Along with that truing a wheel isn’t just straightening a wheel you have to make sure the wheel stays round as well and not like an oval. Great first step in getting a good stand just make sure you get a way to check dish and don’t forget to check roundness while your at it.
This could also have a bit of effect on the feel and could be what you’re feeling. On my full sus i have a factory 36 that feels amazing but on my hardtail i built i have a z2. So far the z2 is good but I haven’t gotten it out on trails yet.
And definitely don’t let this discourage you from a z2 the forks are really good its just when compared to a factory 34 it’s never gonna feel the same. I personally think the z2 is a really good budget option that will still feel amazing if you take the time to tune it.
But overall I’m loving the series its so much better then pink bikes with actual good budget options. Also to anyone thats read this far please never buy budget headsets. Theres mid tier headsets that will do fine. If it holds the bike together usually you don’t want to cheap out.
That Risk headset was horrible! I've had some really good luck with Jessica headsets. I took off the risk and replaced it with a Jessica already. I'll look into getting a dishing tool, but I can say that the wheel is perfectly centered and hops were fixed while truing
I am liking this series more than the Pink bike equivalent. Great job!
Ok so this series is soooo much better than I thought possible. Good work matey.
Wish I seen this video before I just purchased the Fox Factory 34 to upgrade from my Marzocchi bomberZ2 been told by so many people also my bike shop said the same thing & other videos that I wouldn’t regret the upgrade. But now that I seen this video makes me 2nd guess my decision 🤦🏻🤷🏻. Great video btw. Lol
The content keeps getting better! Keep up the good work! I wish I had what you have to be in front of the camera making content.
25k! congrats evan! hi-low is such a great series
Thanks Miata! I was worried about the last several videos not doing too well. But I regrouped and refined the High Low and it s seems to be working. Best performing video ever (for me).
@@EvansMTBSaga ah! congrats evan!
Another killer video. You’ve nailed the time and angles on the installation bits; interesting and shows the process without killing the flow.
I wonder if a bit more tuning on the Marzocchi might change your mind. Maybe you should do 2 laps, first for assessment, second after adjustments.
i just switched from my fox 38 factory with e-bike tune and all the marketing you can imagine to a marzocchi z1 coil and can't wait to try it out.
Your channel is taking off ! Well deserved 🤗
Thanks CJ!
At 4:20 the crown race was way too easy to insert, normally you need to slam it down with a mallet or a pipe. That is probably why you had problems with your headset on the low bike. I had the same issue and to fix it, i put a little piece of aluminium can between the race and the steerer. As sketchy as it sounds, it does fix the issue nicely.
It was a split race. They are designed to be easier to install, but develop creaks later as dirt gets between race and steerer tube.
I LOVE my Marzocchi Z1 air. It's the right fork for my Norco Torrent HT. I'll never use anything other than my Z1.
man the chris king headset is just wow i cannot wait on whats next
Personally I believe that many MTBers have bikes that don't match their experience and skill level. The ability to just smash through a trail and not learn to pick your lines, is a testament to today's technology.
The Marzocchi look good
Haha, this was a sweet video. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
I have a bomber on my bike and I like it a lot. Never gives me any problems and rides very nice.
IDEA for a LOW bike brakes: change only brake leavers to a one of the top Shimano ones. There is a urban legend that XT leavers on a MT200 transforms it to a "almostXT" brakes
I saw Jared from Cure Cycling did that. But Chad spent so much on brakes, I had to get some nice 4 pistons just to keep up
Makes sense given the biggest difference between them is the master cylinder ratio being designed for 2-3 or 1-2 finger braking.
With that being said you can get really good deals on XT brakes, I got a full 4 piston brake set for a hundred quid!
Last gen XT levers with the new 4 piston SLX callipers FTW. They are the identical caliber to the 4 pot XT and XTR, the only difference being the finish.
Way better approach than what pink bike did. Well done
Hey Evan, great video. Been watching the channel for a while now. I am wondering if you spent time tuning the fox 34 with LSC, HSC, HSR, and LSR plus volume tokens would it make a difference? Maybe you did that and I didn’t realize but from what you stated in the video it seemed like you set both forks to an equal damping setting and then road it. Just a thought. Enjoying the series so far!
I didn't spend any time tuning the Fox fork, but it just happened to feel so amazing. I was shocked. Maybe it was luck?
first video i see from this guy and I can tell he´s comin from motorbikes before!
i mean the bomber isnt super budget but i think a true budget fork would be nice on evans d5 like a epixon or markhor or judy/recon or even some x fusion offerings
As one brave man Said. Never cheap out at bars suspension Frame and bearings. With a reason. This is a nice fork on a low bike, Frame is solid, dont buy $10 bars. Low bike isn’t the cheapest bike. Same as headset, odyssey has a great deal at Like $50 or at Least it was $50 when i bought mine.
Cool video mate 🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
I love your siskiu d5 videos. Keep it coming!
I recently snagged a Fox 34 rhythm for $275, i have been pretty happy with its performance on my axum build from my channel. I did read that you can upgrade the older fox forks with the new grip2 stuff which i thought was super rad.
The hilow of the bikes, i like it!
With recent price drops, the High bikes Factory 34 is now only $625, so I splurged on a kashiiiiima coated fork this time. I have the big brother from Marzocchi - Z1 on my enduro and while it's decent, it doesn't feel as good as the 36 Performance it replaced.
cute vid. noticed you installed the headset wrong on low-bike, you're supposed to do a final screw down of the headset cap BEFORE you tighten the stem, that makes sure the bearings are held tight, but not too tight that it feels restricted. There should be a 2-3mm gap from the top of steerer tube to top lip of stem, then the preliminary tightening of headset cap compresses into that... :) FYI
Keep it commin'. Loved the series
Overall the fox seemed like a better fork but the bomber was not bad. Given the price of the 34 I’d probably get the bomber.
great video! i think with a proper service and tune the marzocchi would be enough, i like fox, the only problem i have with them is precisely the kashima coating, it performs well, but i needs higher maintenace and care, i seems a more fragile coating.
high end parts equal high end maintenance.
not to mention "It has a compression knob that I'll never touch."
you should a koozer hubs review, i see them all the time for sale, and the look very good for the price tag, but i can´'t find proper reviews about them.
Pipe cutters work well as long as you don’t use carbon bars. The carbon bends under a pipe cutter and it weakens it.
The Donut Media inspired format is dope!
If you’ve removed and serviced forks you would know that for the most part kashima coating is snake oil. The stiction mostly happens on the air spring not on the stanchion to seal.
I've been thinking about going with the black stanchion Fox forks lately
How did Chad let a $58 Koozer hub go on his bike! 😂 that must of been what held him back! Never ridden fox fork but feel the Bomber got a bit ripped off. Great series Evan, thanks for great content! Not sure if you will be doing BB/Cranksets but curious on your longterm thoughts of X6 direct mount?
Haha true! I used that X6 crabkset for a long time and I gotta say it's rock solid. Great bottom bracket too. I didn't have to worry about it at all and felt like the quality of a name brand crankset
@@EvansMTBSaga cheers, thanks for reply and thoughts Evan.
Let me say there both great forks and I would be happy with either fork
My previous bike had a Fox Performance 34 and a new bike has the Grip 2 34 Factory. After much tweaking and tuning the latter is much better than the Performance could’ve ever hoped to be. Ironically, it’s not as good as the FIT 4 34 I used to own.
keep up the good work, im mrgill from 10 months ago, i look up to you as im a huge mtb fan
Great to see some AZ MTB’s out there. Great video!
Thanks for making great quality content keep riding!!
If you really want the feeling of the 34 just add a Grip 2 to the Bomber. Great series, Pinkbike ain't got shit on you!
not with the Z2
Not sure you’re giving the Z2 a fair shot here since it seems your used one has issues. My Nukeproof came with it and I’m loving it so far. I may upgrade it down the line but so far it serves my needs really nicely.
really cool video man. I've been begging Fox to make a quality damper for the 34 since they introduced the model. Nice to see this up against the Marzocchi. I think that it would have been worthwhile to talk about the respective air springs, whether they are similar or different. Maybe you do, in another video. I'm new here.
If we ever collaborate again, I guess we would have to be the low low low bike guys😆. We have had similar experiences with our timed runs. It is always fun to see what all that extra money really gets you on the clock.
Not sure why, but we didn't see this in our subscriptions although it was in our feed.
Going on the Cat's Meow with you guys is on my bucket list. I have the airline miles too could easily fly there almost free. Looks like RUclips is pullin my chain, only 1000 views from the subscription feed on this one, and 500 from notification bell
My Markhour Manitou Machete 29” QR (new dork for old bikes) has never let my hard tail down. I have a fox Factory 34 on my FS bike it’s great but the manitou forks are great for the same terrain and the majority of riders
This content is way better than pinkbikes.
8:45 he just spent 1300 dollars hha
Chad is going crazy with all this!
I got a marzocchi bomber 888 dh for for £80 in great condition to add to my budget downhill bike and no problems what so ever so always check around before spending loads of money on parts I’ve spent about £400 and have a fully working dh bike
Bomber Z2 Compression/Rebound adjustments seem to not have any range at all - basically if it's not right for you when you buy it, it's not going to get any better without a complete rebuild..
I have a feeling I'll be wanting a setting that would be in between of a rebound click if that makes sense.
Koozer hubs Are actually sick
this channel is so underrated
Love my Z2. I read that its also stiffer compared to the 34, thats why its heavier.
Maybe that's what I was feeling
You can always add the Grip2 damper later on if you want.
Fun to watch and get information a lot.
Awesome video as usual my man.
Donut Media is calling
Absolutely! Great inspiration for this series
Definitely Donut Media inspired. But hey, they do make great videos and the hi low idea works on bikes very well too
If you take the time to learn what each dampening adjuster does, and then you’re able to dial in the correct setting, the Grip 2 definitely rewards you
For thousands of rotations 150$ bearings or in this case headset would make sense..
In the case of installing a headset, whose bearings travel like half a circle,and don't experience some tremendous load,it is simply showing off,and being a boutique brand brandist! 30$ FSA headset is more than adequate! Or Ritchey
Greetings from Croatia 😎
Nice video man. Cool comparison, however they are so different because of the damper and the premium “guts”. If the rider has the cash, spend it on your budget build if you can. If you run a little higher stack or put a spacer or two on the top of your stem, you can always
re use the nicer fork on a different bike. Oh and I have been subscribed for over a year and my chain has not snapped!
Would like to know the long term review on the hubs. Keep on going. I think yours "high low" is better than pinkbike. Where pinkbike "low" is too cheap on buying the parts.
I have a friend who has koozer hubs it lasted him 4years before it broke