What Do Spy's Disguises Actually Affect in TF2?

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  • @SquibGourmand
    @SquibGourmand Год назад +1378

    the eyelander deserves that free head just as much as all of us do!

    • @SquimJim
      @SquimJim  Год назад +220

      So true.

    • @Crane-
      @Crane- Год назад +41

      Amen.

    • @BonziBUDDY
      @BonziBUDDY Год назад

      I wouldn't exactly call this free, but it is unlimited: just remove some of your ribs

    • @saltierdongs7760
      @saltierdongs7760 Год назад +23

      The comment ever

    • @CastCreator
      @CastCreator Год назад +8

      GIVE US HEAD(s)!

  • @whatshisface8845
    @whatshisface8845 Год назад +2288

    GIVE US THE 15 MINUTE VIDEO ON WHAT IS AND ISN'T AFFECTED BY THE SHORTSTOP SHOVE, SQUIM!

    • @redmedic1266
      @redmedic1266 Год назад +39

      YES!!! WE NEED IT!!!

    • @matomatic4599
      @matomatic4599 Год назад +69

      Too long has the tf2 community languished in uncertainty about the niche mechanics of the shortstop shove! We need a complete breakdown of everything shortstop.

    • @jalontf2
      @jalontf2 Год назад +35

      Sadly, kritz does not increase the shove damage from 1 to 3 :(

    • @redmedic1266
      @redmedic1266 Год назад +21

      @@jalontf2 Now THAT'S something valve should fix! It is simply preposterous that such an integral and important part of the game is so unbelievably broken and thus denied its true glory!

    • @plasma2942
      @plasma2942 Год назад +4

      MAKE IT 20

  • @PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER
    @PREGAMEDISCHARGEENJOYER Год назад +62

    The Carbine also allows it’s on hit effect to on buildings, you can still build up Crikey from hooting a building

  • @MadSwedishGamer
    @MadSwedishGamer Год назад +50

    The Dragon's Fury also shoots faster when you hit a building, doesn't it?

    • @simonsoupshark8009
      @simonsoupshark8009 Год назад +4

      i dont think so? isnt it dependent on it setting a target on fire?

    • @adinrichter6034
      @adinrichter6034 Год назад +8

      it does, it’s a really good weapon for taking out buildings

    • @matteo-ciaramitaro
      @matteo-ciaramitaro Год назад

      As a pyro main i can confirm

  • @ИгроьТоросян
    @ИгроьТоросян Год назад

    4:42 The cleaner's carbine...

  • @highmedic2351
    @highmedic2351 Год назад

    Vita-Saw does collect organs though on DISGUISED Spies.

  • @Iandavebob90802
    @Iandavebob90802 Год назад +1

    While not an on hit or on kill effect, using the Quick-Fix Ubercharge on a disguised enemy Spy will have them show their team colour's Ubercharge particles rather than your team colour.

  • @Vort23
    @Vort23 Год назад

    I do want that Bobk video, please Squim.

  • @SJrad
    @SJrad Год назад

    yeah no on hit effects nor knockback should affect disguised spy except for killing blow, but all on kill/hit effects do proc on deadringer. the goal is to trick the enemy so these changes should help in doing that

  • @jknifgijdfui
    @jknifgijdfui Год назад

    I actually am curious on the shortstop shove vid

  • @ninjashoe2158
    @ninjashoe2158 Год назад

    Shove and bonk video, now!

  • @S0meCrazyIdiot
    @S0meCrazyIdiot Год назад +2

    My Guy, you’ve return!

  • @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054
    @darthvaderbutwayshittier7054 Год назад +825

    4:45
    Actually, the Cleaner's Carbine also builds it's meter off hitting buildings.

    • @cyclopsmouse2247
      @cyclopsmouse2247 Год назад +33

      Cow mangler's charged shot disables buildings on hit.

    • @dimsthedimwit600
      @dimsthedimwit600 Год назад +30

      Idk I shot into the wall of a building it didn't work

    • @ClonedGamer001
      @ClonedGamer001 Год назад +63

      Actually the Carbine just says "Dealing damage builds charge," unlike every other weapon which always say "On hit: Effect"
      So technically the Widowmaker still is the only one that triggers it's on hit effect against buildings because the Carbine's effect isn't actually an on hit effect.

    • @iLoveMajima
      @iLoveMajima Год назад +14

      @@cyclopsmouse2247 This is talking about effects that work on players , the cow mangler charge shot disable only works on buildings

    • @VagueCastle649
      @VagueCastle649 Год назад +1

      @@cyclopsmouse2247 It also disables wrangler shield.

  • @sophiegrey9576
    @sophiegrey9576 Год назад +557

    Spy is a giant spaghetti code factory.

    • @sophiegrey9576
      @sophiegrey9576 Год назад +11

      By the way, the Carbine also has its on hit effect granted on building hits.

    • @ME0WMERE
      @ME0WMERE Год назад +21

      earlier today, I clicked on a pyros face. We were both facing each other. Neither of us were moving. It counted as a backstab.
      also earlier today, I clicked on a sniper's back. He was facing fully away from me. He wasn't moving. I was directly behind him and looking straight at him. It didn't count as a backstab.
      this class is so broken man

    • @redactedoktor
      @redactedoktor Год назад +26

      @@ME0WMERE Imagine a Spy update except it's literally just fixing all of Spy's bugs. Probably make Spy a better class honestly. Actually scratch that, imagine an update.

    • @Wyi-the-rogue
      @Wyi-the-rogue Год назад

      Oof

    • @leerman22
      @leerman22 Год назад

      And they added spaghetti code to give these immunities. Disguised spies used to give blutsauger ubersaw medics health and uber. well health anyways...

  • @jeffreyhopscotch1450
    @jeffreyhopscotch1450 Год назад +259

    Fun fact about the Short Stop shove: if you have a strange Short Stop and you somehow manage to kill an enemy with the shove, it will not count towards the kill counter

    • @manatipowa
      @manatipowa Год назад +15

      I wanna know the context on how this was found out for the first time.

    • @jeffreyhopscotch1450
      @jeffreyhopscotch1450 Год назад +44

      @@manatipowa me and my friend were having a short stop shove duel and i wanted to see if the counter went up since he was already on low health, it sadly did not

    • @roadhoundd.
      @roadhoundd. Год назад +41

      Also fun fact. If you get behind enemy lines, you can shove enemy heavies, getting them to the front lines faster. A legit way to grief your team.

    • @timtam4596
      @timtam4596 Год назад +7

      @@roadhoundd. Wow that beats flaming in snipers' faces and funni teleporter traps by a mile

  • @Gemarald
    @Gemarald Год назад +215

    Sure it effects all of that, but APPARENTLY it also PERFECTLY effects my teammates to ignore the spy when I am medic.

    • @thunderspark1536
      @thunderspark1536 Год назад +1

      Blutsager: allow me to introduce myself

    • @joshuakim5240
      @joshuakim5240 Год назад +27

      The "dealing with Spy" experience: watching your team either all die to one Kunai spy who looked up trickstabbing on youtube, or watching your team proceed to all ignore the extremely obvious Spy who then proceeds to backstab the Medic, or you if you're playing Medic.
      The "playing as Spy" experience: watching yourself fail all trickstab attempts to then die like an idiot, or watching as the opposing team never falls for any of your disguise attempts as they proceed to kill you on sight even while disguised.

    •  Год назад +1

      @@thunderspark1536 5:07

    • @christiancinnabars1402
      @christiancinnabars1402 Год назад +6

      joshua kim And there's also the occasional "enemy randomly takes a slightly longer path to get to the front lines solely to bump into you while you're hiding in the corner while cloaked" part of "playing as Spy."

    • @After-all-this
      @After-all-this Год назад

      ​@@christiancinnabars1402
      While also for some God forsaken reason. A sniper suddenly 360 no scope onto your cloaked ass

  • @cheezkid2689
    @cheezkid2689 Год назад +165

    The Cleaner's Carbine also gets Crikey from hitting buildings. It and the Widowmaker might actually be the only ones with that effect.

    • @OmegaRC59
      @OmegaRC59 Год назад +3

      The widowmaker's gimmick warrants it but the carbine's meter is inconsistent, though warranted by its underwhelming performance

    • @nahwals
      @nahwals Год назад

      Does the enforcer ignoring wrangler bubble count? I think it ignores a bubbled sentry’s resistance.

    • @OmegaRC59
      @OmegaRC59 Год назад +3

      @@nahwals Yeah it ignores wrangler shields. Basically the best reason to ever run it, the wrangler's healing downside actually comes into play due to you dealing full damage and he heals 1/3 of what he normally can. Especially good against wrangler mini spam too

    • @pancakebatter5146
      @pancakebatter5146 Год назад

      iirc Dragon's Fury repressurization rate also gets activated

    • @tjtheknowledgeseeker7878
      @tjtheknowledgeseeker7878 Год назад

      Technically not an "On Hit" due to the way the description is worded

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 Год назад +66

    The disguise's properties are about as consistent as whether or not weapons that allow you to crit or mini-crit under set circumstances can also randomly crit.

  • @dartimes6048
    @dartimes6048 Год назад +18

    Fun fact about spy disguises and the Amputator taunt. If a red medic taunts with an amputator out and a blu disguised spy as a red spy is nearby it will cause the blu spy to have the blu amputator particle effect.

  • @EnderLord99
    @EnderLord99 Год назад +19

    I assume the bonk depends on whether it's on-*hit* or on-*damage* and is basically equivalent to stock ubercharge in that regard.

  • @Thought_Criminal
    @Thought_Criminal Год назад +7

    I want to see shortstop shove video!!!1! (1 hour extended cut)
    Edit:I want to see "Bonk!™️" effects video!1!!!

  • @eclecticspaghetti
    @eclecticspaghetti Год назад +18

    As the resident Dragon’s Fury enthusiast, I’m here to confirm that its faster fire rate on hit *does* work against buildings, making the Widowmaker not the only weapon to have its on hit effect work on buildings.

    • @yumm186
      @yumm186 Год назад +1

      Also carbines crikey meter builds on buildings

  • @scantyer
    @scantyer Год назад +921

    I've legit never noticed that disguised spies are immune to knockback from explosives

    • @disposable_income_andy
      @disposable_income_andy Год назад +22

      I was gonna say that stuff like Spies not building meters on some weapons was a good thing because there's like little to no likelihood the one with those weapons is going to even notice it, but then again you're also getting a direct benefit from something you aren't even aware you're doing to unfairly benefit yourself. Maybe spy immunity is a good thing, even if it's also talking about people who play spy.

    • @timtam4596
      @timtam4596 Год назад +42

      I keep alt bound to disguising as a friendly Spy, which sets you to undisguised. This way if I bump a soldier while I'm cloaked and disguised, I can remove my disguise without having to swing a weapon, and use the knockback from the rocket to get out of the Soldier's guaranteed hit range. Using the knockback is pretty much the only way to survive being caught by decent Soldier while under cloak

    • @darylchua2168
      @darylchua2168 Год назад +2

      LMAO ya I'm too focused on trying to get to someone's back before my health drops to 0.

    • @SerinitySack
      @SerinitySack Год назад +5

      It's my understanding that disguised spies are immune to knockback caused by damage, but not things that specifically cause knockback (airblast, shortstop shove, force of nature, loose cannon). It seems like those may be two different kinds of knockback in the code or something.

    • @cyaneetnoodlesmaker2251
      @cyaneetnoodlesmaker2251 Год назад

      your comment remind soundsmith video but don’t know which one and only thing i can remember is the spy take no damage and get knockback from a sticky bomb

  • @PillzmansFox
    @PillzmansFox Год назад +24

    I can't say on spy's disguises but my dad must have the best cloaking device because he used it 10 years ago and I haven't seen him since

    • @FIVEBASKET
      @FIVEBASKET Год назад +2

      Im in fact your dad

    • @jaidendeprez1842
      @jaidendeprez1842 Год назад

      💀

    • @thelastmlg2699
      @thelastmlg2699 Год назад +4

      Starting to think the cloak and dagger is OP

    • @AustinH7
      @AustinH7 Год назад

      My dads been using a disguise for 15 years, he makes me call him his step dad now. I just want him to remove the disguise already 🥲

    • @FalkyRocket2222
      @FalkyRocket2222 Год назад

      @@thelastmlg2699 same

  • @thymeconsuming620
    @thymeconsuming620 Год назад +11

    squim is spy real? :(

    • @SquimJim
      @SquimJim  Год назад +3

      How did you know? I AM the Spy.

    • @Mf_CHIP
      @Mf_CHIP Год назад

      @@SquimJim how is this comment 21 hours long?

    • @VagueCastle649
      @VagueCastle649 Год назад +1

      @@Mf_CHIP patreon presumably

    • @Mf_CHIP
      @Mf_CHIP Год назад

      @@VagueCastle649 oh ok

  • @StickMaster500
    @StickMaster500 Год назад +19

    Spy is just built different after learning the secret technique of never returning with the milk from the store

    • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
      @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Год назад +2

      why did you become not funny

    • @dryspongeyt7353
      @dryspongeyt7353 Год назад +2

      @@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 I’m sorry you thought he was funny to begin with

  • @derkatwork33
    @derkatwork33 Год назад +9

    Yes. I want to see a 15 minute video on what is and isn't affected by the shortstop shove. Just to see if you can do it.

  • @bb7344
    @bb7344 Год назад +8

    honestly, I think I could listen to Squim talking for 15 minutes about what is and isn't affected by a shotgun or a shovel

  • @witifulweavile2272
    @witifulweavile2272 Год назад +18

    Squim as always providing us with mildly interesting videos.
    I love simple videos like this that are born out of a genuine curiosity from the creator, where they do the testing and make the video themselves because noone else has. Think like uncle Danes "Mr map size" video
    Keep it up, I love this stuff

  • @potato1341
    @potato1341 Год назад +1

    It's a "can walk past sentries without being shot without using a limited resource (unless you're using YER)" button :)

  • @michaelar9954
    @michaelar9954 Год назад +10

    actually the bonk made a lot of sense as for the most part the ones that worked were on hit but the ones that didn't were based on dealing damage

  • @ani_star9729
    @ani_star9729 Год назад +3

    4:43 the Dragons Fury also does since it has the faster firing speed on hit even on buildings.

  • @Sealysleepy
    @Sealysleepy Год назад +3

    4:43 the cleaner's carbine can also build crikey from buildings but im pretty sure its just these two weapons

  • @frankenwolf8975
    @frankenwolf8975 Год назад +10

    I think it might have something to do with on hit vs damage dealt. I've noticed similar oddities with MvM tanks, where things like the phlogistinator and the soldiers banners build their meters when shooting them but things like the ubersaw and BFB don't. With the bonk scout, he's being registered as "hit", but obviously isn't taking any damage. So maybe some weapons, despite saying "on hit" in their descriptions like other weapons, aren't consistent with those other weapons and are instead tracking whether or not damage is dealt. Or maybe TF2 is a 15 year old pile of jank and different weapons being added at different times by different people results in some unusual behavior.

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 Год назад +1

      hmm, that makes me wonder about how much the effects would match to Ubercharge.

  • @pikariocraftf2802
    @pikariocraftf2802 Год назад +3

    The amount of times I random crit a disguised spy with the crusader's crossbow while trying to heal them is incredible.

  • @pro_fail
    @pro_fail Год назад +3

    4:48 the cleaners carbine builds crikey by shooting buildings too, but idk if that's what you mean

  • @totenkopf8814
    @totenkopf8814 Год назад +2

    They should make an update to make disguised spies most consistent

  • @BustyCatbot
    @BustyCatbot Год назад +48

    I think the main reason Spy's disguise is so inconsistent is because what does and doesn't affect him when disguised is done on a case-by-case basis instead of a global function to prevent/allow effects to carry over when disguised, so the devs literally just forgot to change functionality to account for disguised spies for most weapons.

    • @ViciousVinnyD
      @ViciousVinnyD Год назад +6

      It's almost like effects should be given a global function instead of maunally writing every single possibility so that it's inconsistent, time consuming to write, update, and inevitably doomed to contradict itself.

    • @LazyBuddyBan
      @LazyBuddyBan Год назад +4

      Source Spaghetti dooms us all

  • @machiax16
    @machiax16 Год назад +2

    As someone Who doesnt main Spy this information is usefull

  • @Davtwan
    @Davtwan Год назад +2

    I think there should be a distinction from ally and enemy disguises for weapon’s effect too.

  • @dentheepic
    @dentheepic Год назад +1

    I think the black box does not give health back because the amount of health you gain is based on how much damage you do to the opponent, not if you hit them; if the black box dos 0 damage, you will gain back 0 health. The spy gets damaged by the black box, therefore you gain back health.
    TL;DR black box has a on damage effect, not a on hit effect, so it works differently

  • @holden3808
    @holden3808 Год назад +1

    It feels like instead of having a general plan, they just did it weapon-by-weapon on a case-by-case scenario, probably with multiple different development staff working on each case individually especially as new weapons came out or updates changed the mechanics of old ones.

  • @NoFlu
    @NoFlu Год назад +1

    I'm not saying a 4 hour video essay on the Shove would make for a good April Fool's video, but the title "The Shortstop's Shove, the best ability you never knew about and here's why" speaks for itself

  • @DrPeeper
    @DrPeeper Год назад +1

    The music at the start of the video(NOT THE INTRO!) is "Marable garden act 1" from Sonic the hedgehog 3. I have a feeling that i played sonic 3 a little too much

  • @genghisdingus
    @genghisdingus Год назад +1

    The widowmaker ought to give metal back to the engi. I feel like plenty of engis have been screwed even though they hit their shots.

  • @Thatonecopypasta
    @Thatonecopypasta Год назад +1

    GIVE US THE 15 MINUTE VIDEO ON WHAT IS AND ISN’T AFFECTED BY THE SHORTSHOP SHOVE, SQUIM!

  • @jacobdooo
    @jacobdooo Год назад +1

    I think a lot of people know this but dead ringer will still count towards your streak!

  • @mini_k
    @mini_k Год назад +1

    This isnt even spagehtti code this is an italian disaster turned into a character

  • @matthijsbeets424
    @matthijsbeets424 Год назад +1

    YESSSS
    We NEED a shove video! haha pleaseeee
    Also bonk, yes please

  • @bigblue344
    @bigblue344 Год назад +2

    Does anything work properly in TF2?

  • @Salvius.Praetor
    @Salvius.Praetor Год назад +2

    I comment 4 shove

  • @LeonusStawalker
    @LeonusStawalker Год назад +12

    I wonder if the reason some things are flipped for Bonk vs. Disguise is that hitting a disguised spy might count as dealing damage but not actually hitting something, while hitting a bonk scout counts as a hit but not damage, so some of the inconsistancy might be explained by some weapons proccing their effects when they deal damage and others when they register a hit.

  • @wirtland_witizen
    @wirtland_witizen Год назад +1

    when you're early in a comment section and dont know what to say

  • @maskofthedragon
    @maskofthedragon Год назад +1

    0:44
    That's NOT Halloween restricted BTW

  • @dr.prnushueger222
    @dr.prnushueger222 Год назад +2

    pre 1k views

  • @WolfOfLegend
    @WolfOfLegend Год назад +1

    there is no consistency at all, this is bonkers

  • @aceplante
    @aceplante Год назад +1

    I’m commenting for the shortstop video

  • @szonig_pl3024
    @szonig_pl3024 Год назад +1

    Killtaunting the disguised Spy with the Übersaw giving 50% to Übercharge feels very clunky because it will happen maybe once when full moon shows up (too rare to be utilised properly)

    • @bigblue344
      @bigblue344 Год назад +1

      taunt kills in general are very clunky and too rare to be utilized. Unless it's the huntsman taunt because of the extra range and how fast it goes unless your me where every enemy somehow just slides away anyway.

  • @clifdog100
    @clifdog100 Год назад +1

    BOINK BONK BONK BONK BOINK BONK BOINK BOINK WHACK

  • @IzzytheMelody
    @IzzytheMelody Год назад +1

    Finally, after 5.3k hours, I understand the Spy class.
    I knew a lot of these, but there's so much I didn't know.

  • @maskofthedragon
    @maskofthedragon Год назад +1

    7:37
    Lightning Round of PAIN!

  • @ottovonbearsmark8876
    @ottovonbearsmark8876 Год назад +1

    4:44 Cleaner’s Carbine gains crikey

  • @someguywhoactuallyhasamous4132
    @someguywhoactuallyhasamous4132 Год назад +1

    They let you not die from sentrys

  • @professionalyeeter
    @professionalyeeter Год назад +1

    This Comment is 4 bonk video

  • @BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver
    @BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver Год назад +1

    Jokes aside, great video :)

  • @professionalyeeter
    @professionalyeeter Год назад +1

    This comment is 4 Shove video

  • @jimvaneemeren6675
    @jimvaneemeren6675 Год назад +1

    Bruh dont say let ranger instead of l'étranger, its obviously french

  • @Chodor101
    @Chodor101 Год назад +1

    It was mildly interesting

  • @BerryMitchels
    @BerryMitchels Год назад

    we need a bonk video
    we deserve a bonk video

  • @Uber_Rush
    @Uber_Rush Год назад

    Spy bugs almost feel like 100% intentional, but realistically feels more like a 50/50. I know its been stated that they way spy works due to there being a bug with spy looking like he was on the other team. Probably the most unintentional bug was the weird corpse that would spawn after the deadringer was triggered, like how it left a massive clue but I think most people didnt even notice it and spies where still able to get away with stuff. Also, if you want to have a bit of an easier time trying to find deadringer spies, melee/crit hit one, a ragdoll will spawn but the spy's scream is still attached to the player, sorry to anyone that doesnt have ears

  • @milliondollarmistake
    @milliondollarmistake Год назад +1

    I NEEEEEEED THE BONK VIDEO

  • @mrstudent9125
    @mrstudent9125 Год назад +1

    Give us a bonk video

  • @fcomolineiro7596
    @fcomolineiro7596 Год назад +1

    I want a bonk video

  • @thunderdraco
    @thunderdraco Год назад +2

    Pretty ironic that Spy is incredibly buggy - that's how he came into existence back in Quake Team Fortress

  • @Markm8
    @Markm8 Год назад +1

    Shove video or we riot

  • @disposable_income_andy
    @disposable_income_andy Год назад +1

    Honestly, I don't really understand how Spy and his disguises are even still viable in current day TF2. Ignoring aimbots and obvious cheaters (I've started encountering cheaters more than bots), the general greeting in TF2 is a gunshot to spycheck. Yeah you've got your Mr. Paladins and trickstabbers, but in general, I'd argue Spy is the least viable class. Then again, for someone spawned from a literal Quake bug, at least he's not as broken as Pyro.
    Fuck Pyro.

    • @disposable_income_andy
      @disposable_income_andy Год назад

      Also VALVe removing the glitch of being able to see whether you killed a dead ringer spy by looking at the player list at the top was a bad move, fucking over spies who still rely entirely on the dead ringer was a joy to all players who aren't playing dead ringer spy. Screw them though, they deserve it.

    • @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
      @dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Год назад

      @@disposable_income_andy nobody uses the dead ringer to feign death
      just have ears and youve countered it

    • @milliondollarmistake
      @milliondollarmistake Год назад

      @@disposable_income_andy You sound like a crazy person except about spy's viability. He's objectively the worst class in the game, especially at high level

  • @makerrov
    @makerrov Год назад

    I agree with the idea of making no on hit effects happen when hitting a disguised Spy, spy already gets fricked over a lot, he don't need more things that can do that even easier.

  • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
    @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Год назад +1

    What the hell valve.

  • @officeridiot4806
    @officeridiot4806 Год назад +1

    I do actually want to see a shortstop shove video.

  • @calamaribowl8683
    @calamaribowl8683 Год назад +1

    Could we get a list of what is technically classified as a taunt? (Eating sandwiches, drinking bonk, etc.)

  • @getsu0
    @getsu0 Год назад +1

    the carbine's on hit effect also applies to buildings

  • @Salvius.Praetor
    @Salvius.Praetor Год назад +1

    I comment 4 bonk

  • @RyomaHoshi22
    @RyomaHoshi22 Год назад +1

    Bonk dose need a video

  • @Eshyyyyy
    @Eshyyyyy Год назад +1

    I think the Blutsauger and Ubersaw used to work on diguised spies, but it was changed really early on. Although seeing all of these inconsistencies is really interesting.

  • @rarebruh
    @rarebruh Год назад +1

    You forgot the most important affect: *killing Dead Ringers still increases your killstreak.*

  • @MACKYBOY-41
    @MACKYBOY-41 Год назад

    i would like a shortstop video, yes plox. Also, holy mother of inconsistency.

  • @agonypit8522
    @agonypit8522 Год назад +1

    ME WANT BONK

  • @ForwardStory
    @ForwardStory Год назад

    me want shortstop shove video
    the shortstop is kinda a big deal to me

  • @mitchellpatterson3044
    @mitchellpatterson3044 Год назад +1

    Bonk video

  • @Waylon128
    @Waylon128 Год назад

    Oh hell yeah, give me that 14 minute shove video Squimmy Jimmy

  • @Imirui
    @Imirui 4 месяца назад

    2:41 This is part of a bug that shounic showed off where if the spy changes models (by disguising or undisguising) any particles disappear. Technically the spy is still covered in milk, but since he undisguised, he lost the particles showing he was. I think it’s been patched since then.

  • @jalontf2
    @jalontf2 Год назад

    Does the Medic's Ubersaw tauntkill give uber...?

  • @BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver
    @BirdThatEatsPrometheussLiver Год назад +1

    Bonk.

  • @plantelo
    @plantelo 8 месяцев назад

    The Black Box on-hit healing behaves differently because it works differently. It gives health scaled between 10(? idk it's been a while that I played) and 20 while both the Blutsauger and the Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol give a flat health boost.

  • @bunnygodofchaos574
    @bunnygodofchaos574 Год назад

    I can explain the knock back:
    There is actually 3 forms of knockback in TF2: Damage, explosive, and special.
    Anything that deals damage in TF2 deals knockback. It's relatively minor, but constantly there.
    All explosives deal an additional unit of knockback. It's the most consistent source of knockback.
    A disguised spy is immune to both of these.
    The special knockback is what you gain from unlock effects.
    So the spy is immune to the damage knockback of the Force of Nature, but IS effected by the special knockback of the weapon. The spy is immune to the damage knockback of a sticky, but not the special knockback of the shortstop.

  • @Jessica-el5yx
    @Jessica-el5yx Год назад

    Someone who has a vaguely deeper understanding of how TF2's code works, the FaN knockback probably *isn't* intentional, since - while I haven't checked - I'm assuming that the knockback attribute means every shot *forces* a player back slightly, and that is just amplified by base damage knockback. I could be wrong. The Shortstop shove shouldn't change knockback based on disguise because the Shortstop's shove if memory serves correctly is *literally* mechanically just toned-down airblast, it works the same. ...I kinda wish you could shove projectiles now.

  • @WednesdayMan
    @WednesdayMan Год назад

    shortstop shove video please
    I don't think Jarate revealing team colours is neccessarily overkill, I think the mad Milk and gass passer are underkill as they barely make the spy visible, the Jarate's effect on spy is like bumping into a spy

  • @Peridarth
    @Peridarth Год назад

    at first It looks like theres a difference between effects that trigger on hit vs dealing damage to players. Like Blutsauger, Persian Persueder, and Ubersaw do an "on hit do x effect" to heal or fill up a meter. Whereas Black Box, Buff Banner, and the Soda Popper calculate how much health or meter based on how much damage you do.so like
    (on hit confirm -> do effect) doesnt work but
    (on hit confirm -> Calculate damage -> do that much effect) does work
    But the l'etranger and vita-saw seem to get flat gains on hit but still trigger so that breaks the rule
    and Baby Face and Widowmaker do their effects how much on damage dealt so that probably breaks the rule
    wouldn't surprise me if they have several different (on hit) functions lol

  • @kainhall
    @kainhall Год назад

    i havent played a LOT of tf2.... and i kinda suck at it
    .
    but ive always felt that people see the speed differences
    like if im a spy.... and pick scout to disguise as.... i dont THINK i run as fast as a normal scout
    .
    and the good players notice this slow ass scout.... and shoot me dead

  • @Ph0n3numb3r
    @Ph0n3numb3r Год назад

    6:48 then medic has litterally no counter to spy when equiping the crossbow. its too risky to go into melee when the spy can just fucking face stab you. i HEAVILY disagree. If the spy didnt have the ability to face stab, then MAYBE. But the ability for a medic to potentially grief their own team even more is pretty shitty, even if by accident.